Baldur's Gate / Neverwinter Nights / IWD / PS:T / ToEE and other D&D vidya thread.
Let's not turn this into a 2E vs 3E war.
>>334698137
3E a shit.
Whats better 3.5 or 5e?
>>334698229
3.5e
I have
>IWD 1 and 2 Complete
>BG 1 and 2 Complete
>ToEE
>NWN Diamond
in my backlog. I've already finished PS:T and loved it.
In what order should I proceed?
>>334699167
BG1, IWD, BG2, IWD2, NWN and TOEE+Co8
>>334699167
Depends on what you're looking for. IWD and ToEE are pretty good if you want some combat oriented games as a change from PS:T's story focus. BG 1+2 will give a great feeling of going on a motherfucking adventure and they have enough content to keep you busy for a long time.
>>334699167
BG1 and 2 dirst althougj you might want to take a break in between ges
NWN is great and I would recommend skipping the original campaign and moving on to the better expansioms if you get bored
>>334700630
first although*
between games*
>>334700630
>NWN is great and I would recommend skipping the original campaign and moving on to the better expansioms if you get bored
And then to the tons of modules.
SSI games are, IMO, better D&D experience on PC.
Or just roll20.net and play it for real.
>>334698229
Trick question.
Pathfinder is better
>druid spells
>shitty summons you can't use while doing something else
>no dual/multi
>priest thac0/hp
What were they thinking?
>There are people who doesn't understand THAC0
>>334700809
Nobody plays IE games for a D&D experience
>>334701146
>Nobody plays IE games for a D&D experience
Maybe now they don't, but back in the day, they did.
I just got mazed by the Lady and I'm trying to find my way out. Fuck that bitch.
Also, I'm a Dustie, but the Godsmen make their secret project so enticing. is there any downside to leaving them and joining another faction? I already convinced Splinter I'm a Sensate so I don't need to join them.
>>334701438
>not being a Xaositect
Is SCS worth installing for BG2?
What is the difference between different kind of resting rooms in bg?
>>334702480
Recover more hp
>>334702480
The more expensive rooms heal better
>>334701092
I know the less is the better but I still don't understand it.
Do I understand correctly that there's only 1/100 chance of casting Nahal's Reckless Dweomer correctly?
>>334702825
What you if you tick rest till healed?
>>334703028
That's why you cast chaos shield first...
>>334703272
Isn't that an EE only thing?
>>334703397
nah
>>334703605
With 5 other people supporting you
>>334703709
I don't see it
>>334704324
Options menu
Only BG1 didn't have it
>>334704324
In the options, dummy
>>334704387
>you rested for 482 hours
>>334704407
>>334704387
Thanks
>MY HOTEL'S AS CLEAN AS AN ELVEN ARSE
Does that mean they're clean or dirty? Either way that's hot
>>334704439
>doesn't matter either way because Sarevok/Irenicus wait for you forever
>>334704820
Obviously he's bragging about how dirty his tavern is
>>334705008
Maybe he's bragging about all the dirty elf sluts he's banged.
>>334704324
>royal room
>literally a palace fit for royalty
>16 gold a night
That's like checking into the ritz or the Tower in nyc for 5 bucks a night.
So I know it's possible to play on PC now due to GC/PS2 emulation, but why weren't the Dark Alliance games ever officially ported to PC?
>>334705129
The Underdark one is double the price.
>>334705231
I know the second game had some legal troubles.
>>334705321
Apparently, CD Projekt was supposed to do the PC port.
Every time I go back to these gems I hate building my character. Prefabs are never right for what I want but going through picking everything is a chore. Not a big deal in a couple of them since I saved the templates I like but I got IWD2 not long ago and making my entire party just keeps me from wanting to start.
I need to go back and finish NWN2 now that I think about it. Got distracted by other games a couple of months ago but I really liked the world and level design. Except the city. Fuck that place being so big when you just want to go buy some stuff.
>>334705468
They must've put their hack&slash experience into The Witcher 2.
>>334705129
You have to consider, most commoners would probably make 1 or 2 gold in a month. Baldur's Gate just didn't bother with coppers and silvers for simplicity's sake. 16 gold would be a lot to your average peasant.
Hey guys, I was thinking about playing Torment as a thief. What kind of stat distribution do you guys suggest? In thinking about starting with 18 wis, 17 int and then raising dex>str>con. Also, much dex is too much dex?
>>334705129
Anon people in D&D don't normally have hundreds of thousands of gold. 5 gold is enough to feed a family for a month, and for a few thousand golds you can buy a castle.
These games throw legendary treasures at you like candy, so of course you're mad rich from selling all those.
>>334705508
Play the 2E games then.
>>334705726
>>334705873
If that's the case then why can you sell these extremely valuable, extremely rare items anywhere? Especially when just ONE of those items would immediately elevate the lowliest of peasants to the richest of princes due to its value?
No regular merchant in the world is gonna have the dosh for that shit.
>>334706161
Convenience/ease of use.
There are games where merchants have a limited amount of money (Fallout) and it's fucking annoying.
>>334706413
In Fallout 2 you can just pick up weapons from patrol encounters at the start of the game then sell them at SF for maximum dosh.
Every time I try to play as a caster I end up ignoring buffs because I can't see the difference. Then I drop the game because it becomes too difficult. Is there a good spell guide for 2e?
>>334706535
stop posting your meme list
>deeblo 2
>god tier
Best girl.
>>334706535
>Arx Fatalis
>Not in god tier
You fucked up, nigger.
>>334706535
pic is outdated
>>334706674
literally who?
>>334706642
It's the best game in its respective genre, even though it's not a crpg.
>>334706761
Literally the best girl.
>>334706764
It's a shitty loot treadmill designed for you to grind through the game multiple times for more loot. Your list loses all credibility with that anywhere near god tier.
>>334706759
Do you have newer?
I know that /tg/ uses the one I posted
>>334706976
>loot treadmill designed for you to grind through the game multiple times
That's arpg for you. Don't diss the genre just because you like different things.
>>334706510
There should be be one on gamefaqs.
Off the top of my head:
lvl1: sleep is godlike, mage armor is good, magic missile starts being very good level 5+. Prot from evil is very good against evil enemies that have charm or similar spells, like vampires.
lvl2: horror is like improved sleep. mirror image is second best defensive spell in the game. melf's acid arrow scales very nicely.
lvl3: mostly fireball and flame arrow.
lvl4: Stoneskin. This and mirror image will keep you alive for a very long time.
Protection from magical weapons is also really good, but that's more like mid-BG2 level.
Anyway, on low levels it's mostly Mage Armor and Mirror Image that keeps you alive.
There might be some spells that don't exist in 2E or are different level, honestly I've been playing 3E games recently so it's a bit of a mix in my head.
>>334706535
What's the point of having low and shit tier if you're not going to list all existing games?
>>334707243
The point of shit tier is "this game is generally considered to be good among casuals and people with no taste, but don't fall for it because it's garbage".
>>334698137
3.5e or bust
I only never played BG because I'm a huge D&D fag and I couldn't stand touching anything based on AD&D again.
>>334707332
Diablo 2 should be there then along with Skyrim and Oblivion
>>334706535
>Skyrim in low tier
Into the trash this meme list goes. Skyrim is not the best in the series, but it deserves at least mediocre tier.
>>334707219
I made a Dragon Disciple with a roll of like 97-100 in stats with the stat bonuses from DD and tomes, wrecking around with 15+ in all stats and a shit ton of buffs in buff spells. Litterally as tanky as Minsc (this fucking game need better good/neutral tanks)
>>334706535
There needs to be a tier called "Not an RPG so stop posting it in RPG threads" tier.
Games include Deus Ex, System Shock, Diablo, Jagged Alliance and so on.
>>334707332
Well, worse Path of Radiance game is there, and I can assure you that casuals propably never heard about it
>>334707138
That's not the entire genre. Not all action RPGs are skinner boxes and claiming they all are is a disservice to the genre.
>>334707583
JA is great rpg tho.
Except Back in Action, that is shit
>>334707723
JA2 is one of my favorite turn based strategy games.
>>334707592
It is not that bad. You just had high expectations.
>>334707592
>play BG2:EE instead
I get the feeling that the retard who made the image put that there unironically.
>>334706535
>Darklands
That game would have been so cool to play when it first launched. Really ambitious.
>>334707757
Silent Storm is better
Thread successfully derailed by a shitty tier list. Can anyone tell me if Cave of Songs is good for NWN?
>>334706535
What are the first two games in high tier?
>HotU
>"hey your equipment got stolen at the beginning of the game"
>"but don't worry you can reclaim it all later"
>finally reach the chest with my items in it
>im a hoarder so I had tons of items all stuffed in these -100% weight magic backpacks
>my fucking face when my backpacks aren't there
>all of my items scattered and unsorted in 16 tabs
what the fuck were they thinking? Like, what am I supposed to do now? The only way for me to keep the items is to actually cheat and give myself these backpacks through a cheatcode or something. Holy shit this is retarded. I didn't collect all of those rare containers throughout OC and SoU only to get cucked out of them now, not to mention spending hours fighting my OCD and sorting my weapons, armor, elixirs... Hoooly fuck am I mad right now.
>>334707898
I should specify that I mean good for singleplayer.
Is crafting mandatory in NWN2 and expansion?
>>334708062
Only a pole could be this autistic
>>334707920
Ambermoon and Amberstar?
>>334698137
How good is the blade of gladiator, and why did i just spent 32k gold on it?
>>334702923
It isn't that hard to get for 2e.
The THAC0 is just the minimum roll you need to actually hit a guy with armor class 0. Then you subtract the actual enemy armor class from your THAC0 to get the actual roll you need to hit.
Say your THAC0 is 13 and the enemy has an armor class of 2. That means you need a minimum roll of 11 to hit the opponent.
>>334708210
No, but it's useful. You will find plenty of magical items, so you can get equipped without crafting.
To be honest it's not good enough to warrant 2 feats, so I usually console cheat in the craft magical weapons and armor and craft wondrous items feat for my mage.
>>334708210
Can you not give the feats to a party member and have them do it? I have it installed and spent hours creating a character but I never got past the prologue, mostly because of the bad camera.
>>334709126
I think you have some crafting related dialogue options or do I remember wrong?
>CoD kiddie millenials invaded the classic D&D fanbase after Pillar of Autism and Siege of Dragondildo
Welp, time to burn all my Infinite Engine games.
'twas a good run, rest in peace RPG genre. Fuck you all.
>>334709126
In MotB crafting is both easy and useful and your first companion has all crafting feats iirc.
>>334708239
said some literal who neckbeard
>>334709438
what are you even talking about
>>334709663
m8, not him but but HotU was so stuffed with OP gear that there was no reason to touch your old stuff
>>334709438
>hating your old favorite things because new people are trying to get into them
Burn yourself with your games as well.
>Try to play BG with a friend, pirate EE
>They said it's tedious, only at the second area outside of Candlekeep
>Game gets buggy and freezes for them every time we pause
>Lose drive to play
Welp, so much for the that. Thanks Beamdog.
How's Divine Divinity?
>>334709923
Was it the 2.0 patch? It's recommended to play classic with BGT or downgrade to 1.3 for the most stable experience.
>>334709923
That's what you get for playing EE.
>>334709923
Maybe the bought edition will work.
NWN2 OC crafting tl;dr
Skills:
Craft armor and craft weapons create nonmagical items, like adamantite sword or mythril armor. These can have bonuses against demons or undead, or a slight damage bonus. If you use these base items to create magical items, these bonuses are carried over, so it's better than enchanting a simple normal item. These skills are standalone, and you can have it on a warrior or whatever other companion. You do NOT need the feats on the same character as this, nor the ability to spellcast.
Craft trap should be obvious. You need set trap skill to actually use them, and realistically a rogue.
Craft alchemy creates not just potions, but also extracts essences from various items. Essences are needed for all magical crafting, so it's important to have this on someone.
Feats:
Craft wondrous items lets you create accessories like cloaks or rings, anything that's not armor or weapon.
Craft magical armor and weapons lets you add magical attributes to items, like fire damage or +3 enchantment.
These two feats are standalone from the above skills and they do not need to be on the same character at all.
>>334709965
Awesome. It's like ultima with action combat. The atmosphere and writing are really good and it aged well, too.
>>334710145
We tried the original but it wouldn't install right for my friend, probably because they use linux.
If I multiclass from the beginning I basically end up underleveled, right?
>>334710557
Not in Bg2.
>>334710557
Obviously both of your classes will be lower level than a pure class character, but your HP and your BAB/THAC0 will average out between the classes and will be on a similar level as a pure class.
Multiclassing will not put you to a disadvantage.
>>334710238
>>334709965
>tfw lost any drive to actually complete that game
I lost my save twice, both times around the same point, rather late into the game
>>334709832
Oh, alright. It's just me being a sucker for collectibles. Like how can I throw away this based armor made out of red dragon scales which I got after the hardest fight of the entire OC? Doesn't matter if I'm a monk and won't ever use it, it's a trophy.
On the other hand, I have tons of "crafting materials" like dragons blood, faerie dust, gems etc. which I keep because I wondered if I'll ever need those. Should I just vendor all of this crap?
>>334711235
Trap crafting is useful as a rogue
>>334711235
Yes.
You're gonna need a lot of gold at the end of HotU. Just sell it.
>>334710557
In 3E, you get no penalties as long as your classes are roughly the same level, and you get no penalties whatsoever if you take your race's favored class + another class.
If anything, starting multiclass from the beginning suck less than taking up a second class later.
>>334711235
>see neverwinter screenshots
>feel a strong nostalgia, loved that game
>remember the instagib companions
fucking dropped
How come general crpg threads always die while dnd threads hit bump limit
>>334708062
>actually playing a monk
look at him and laugh
>>334711634
CPRG threads are too diluted. You can't have a thread of 30 different games. There isn't really a lengthy discussion about any game, just one or two questions and answers. That only works on /vg/ because threads stay alive for hours without bumps.Also mentioning D&D brings in the 2E vs 3E shitposters who give free bumps
>>334706535
Where is SoD, DOS, PoE and Wasteland2?
>>334712596
In the trash where they belong
>>334711548
What was the amount again?
I know I didn't have it the first time around.
It's a retarded option anyway, what the fuck does gold matter to a fallen angel or whatever M's ex was.
>>334711580
I'm pretty sure you can just solo this game anyway. The only one I've ever needed was Tomi, early on for traps and locks.
>>334711235
WHAT GAME IS THIS IT LOOKS SO COOL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME
>>334712809
Somewhere between 100k-300k.
All the questions need over something like 2 millions total. I just console cheated in a fuckload of gold at that point so I can see all the options.
>>334711940
Are you the guy who posts his mandatory NwN tier list in every thread?
Yall niggers need to play a real D&D game.
>>334712949
neverwinter nights, don't know if original game or expansion
>>334713035
I must be remembering it wrong. I thought there was just one option to bribe her, but i pretty much guarantees your victory over him.
>>334713262
It's HotU.
>>334713150
ToEE is a bad game m8, stop trying to trick people into playing it.
That goes for Arcanum too btw.
>>334713064
No.
But fuck monks anyway. Cheap little niggers, tired of them from my days of pvp arenas every other player was a fuckin monk in some way to abuse their stupid high AC and saving throws.
>>334713336
Tbh I dropped around the time you return from the prison island, but ToEE with Co8 is pretty much the perfect D&D game.
>>334713262
>>334713303
Thank you nice anons, Ive never played any of these games and am trying to decide which game to play first, I cant wait :)
>>334706535
>Dragon Wars
>mid tier
>PST
Literal GOAT
>BG1
Meh
>BG2
Can't think of a more charismatic cast of characters in any vidya. The game's okay though, gets too damn liner after you pay the jews for a ship
>IWD
Played it as a kid, it wrecked my tight bumhole and it never recovered. Its probably the hardest IE game even though you get to customize a party
>NWN
Its shit
>>334713621
What does IE stand for? Also why is NWN shit, Ive heard its good
>>334698137
>playing d&d on pc
it's a shit RPG even on real life, why the fuck are you guys playing it on pc ?
>>334713742
Infinity Engine. Only official NWN campaign is shit, expansions and some of the user made content and are god tier.
>>334713985
Oh ok, got you. Thanks for the answers :)
>two hours later
>finally done emptying my stash
>>334714127
Don't bother with enhanced editions if you're actually going to play BG. Modded originals are fine.
>>334714203
Why not share your autism stories with a therapist instead?
>>334714279
everytime
>>334714203
Why is that UI so fucking terrible? ToEE did everything hundreds of times more slick.
Why are rogues so worthless?
In NWN/NWN2 half of the enemies are immune to sneak attack, and in both games it seems the AI is programmed to always switch targets to the rogue, denying sneak attacks anyway.
Also 90% of the time the enemy spots Neeshka with maxed hide from 20 yards, so they are even trash as a scout. I found myself having to cast Invisibility on them just so they can look around without being detected.
They are even more worthless in 2E with their once per combat backstab (or invis potion spam just so they can do damage).
>>334713493
NWN is great but don't judge the quality of the games from their original campaignd. The expansions are much better and separate from the OC
>>334702923
You roll the dices, you discount to the result the defense number, if the resulting number is negative you deal no damage
The higher the roll the higher the damage
wish me luck
>>334713985
Not fair to label all of NWN shit when it has so much great content with good expansions.
>>334715613
I think the UI is great. It's minimalistic with a very functional radial menu.
>>334715940
That battle was quite hard on insane. Just remember to kill the demon last.
>>334716412
well I'm just playing on core rules and he's killing my party with that paralyze shit
I'm gonna try again with dispell magic
I'm starting Bastard of Kosigan. Does anyone know how hard the stat checks are? Are INT and WIS used for checks too?
>>334715715
Play ADWR
>>334716674
Try remove paralysis
>>334714203
>no Deekin
>>334717243
>using memekin
>>334716674
clarity potions = no problem.
>>334717325I have just one
>>334717139
thanks anon, didn't notice it was a party spell, too bad I only have it with my main character
>>334706906
I agree Jaheira is the best girl
>>334717294
>hating memekin
>>334711235
Are you playing a monk?
>>334712268
A /vg/ CRPG general would be cancer
>>334716883
Isn't the english translation kinda shitty? I've never played it
>>334715715
Thieves are God-tier on BG2
>>334719526
With kits and trap spam. Going pure regular thief is lame though.
>>334719053
Yeah im a monk, currently 21 lvl. And I actually have no idea if I should keep pumping these epic levels or start leveling some other class
>>334719597
>mage thief
>well this is underwhelming
>find mislead in a vase
backstabs for everyone
>>334698137
>Let's not turn this into a 2E vs 3E war.
I never understood why there aren't any 4E video games. That F2P MMO doesn't count since it doesn't actually use any 4E mechanics.
I mean even the 3.x cultists who hate 4E usually claim it feels more like a videogame than an actual roleplaying game.
>>334719635
I played a shifter monk once and it was neat. With 21 levels in monk though I'm not sure what you would multiclass into.
>>334719738
More like it feels like a generic MMO engine. I don't think that a PnP feeling like a casual videogame is ever a compliment.
I love both 2E and 3E, but can't stand 4E at all.
>>334717294
Deekin a boss
Meeting him in NWN2 was great. Especially since your character from NWN2 knows nothing about him.
Examine him, and he is listed as Impossible.
When you ask where he has been, he timidly tell you that he's been to Undrentide and very deep below Waterdeep.
>>334719931
I never got the MMO complaint. Why is it always the 3.5 players who bring it up, and what makes it feel like an MMO to them?
a friend and i have been doing multiplayer hardcore (no death/no reload) runs of BG2we've died like 30 times in chapter 2, 100+ something hours
Started playing NWN2 some time ago. I've completed MotB back when it was released, but never the OC, which I aim to do now and continue on to MotB after that.
Playing as a Lawful Evil Favored Soul, gonna take few Blackguard levels later. Now I understand that at the end of the gameyou can opt to join the King of Shadows. If I do this, can I import that character into MotB? I think not, but I would like to know.
>>334720289
Doesn't sound too bad once you get Harper's Call/Raise Dead unless that counts as death anyways.
>>334720149
"here's these 2 at-will abilities, spam it infinitely on every enemy" sure as hell feels like an MMORPG to me.
Is it possible/viable to do a arcane-hungry, path-to-lichdom wizard in NVN with a focus on necromancy?
>>334720487
that's not the issue, so much as when you get gibbed/any effect that results in a death that can't be res'd fromat the moment our biggest problem has been confusion, so our solution is to run 5/6's of the party as a berserker
>>334720519
Ah, so you've never actually played 4E. That explains a lot.
Besides, even if that was all there is to it, that's still double the variety that 3.x characters spamming Full Attack all day erry day get.
>>334720693
I'm guessing it's too early for chaotic command for you
How well did Eye of the Beholder games age? I saw there was a automap hack for it so i got curious
>>334720721
Because it's impossible that someone played that trash and didn't like it, right?
There's also the dumb primary stat stacking.
Like mage powers dealing more damage with more intellect, and so on. That's also a mechanic commonly associated with MMOs, and is responsible with too much dependency on gear, power creep, and so on.
>>334720859
CC is amazing, but there are scenarios where AOE confusion occurs without having the prep time to cast it, or if for some other reason that druid/cleric is otherwise unable to complete the cast
>>334720650
Sure, you can even become half-lich.
>>334721025
He could get the PRC
>>334706535
>SoU
>Low Tier
>The Witcher
>E.Y.E
>Dragon Age: Origins
>Mid Tier
>Oblivion, Skyrim and Arena in the same tier
Fuck you m8
>>334720650
PRC lets you actually do the lich transformation. It's not compatible with every module, though.
hey guys is there any d&d game which doesnt require mouse to play or can be played with a gamepad with only dpad
like for example in nes , snes , ps1 ,sega or anyother console
but doesnt require 2 analog sticks extra
plz help /vee/
>>334721183
>even including straight up shooters like Mass Effect into a crpg chart for the sake of bioware memeing
It's pretty shit alright
>>334713150
great game, but it's too bad it crashes all the time even with all the latest patches, Co8, and mods. I straight up have to avoid certain fights, had to savescum the balor yesterday using dismissal, reloading until it worked. I can't fight Zuggtmoy, have to take the gems from the throne or face a crash.
>>334721025
Why NWN2 didn't have the skeleton arm or dragon wings is beyond me. It's the only reason I even contemplated playing an evil wizard.
>>334720927
CC last forever though, there's no reason not to have it active
>>334720916
>Because it's impossible that someone played that trash and didn't like it, right?
No, it's impossible that someone played that trash and not realise that even a basic level 1 Fighter has at least 5 or 6 different attacks, compared to the 1 you get as in 3.5. Claiming that it feels like an MMO because it only has 2 attacks is at the same time proof that you don't know what you're talking about, and a stronger indictment of the version you're defending than of the one you're complaining about.
>Like mage powers dealing more damage with more intellect
Compared to 3.5 Wizards who were just flat out the best by default, that's a massive improvement.
>too much dependency on gear, power creep, and so on
That's just blatant bullshit.
I have nothing against people hating 4E. I'm not the biggest fan either, but then I think that all versions of D&D are garbage and the only ones I can stomach are 2E AD&D and 4E. But what I am against is people bashing games they never played using arguments that make no sense.
>>334721440
there are countless scenarios where you
a} don't know you're about to go into combat
b} just got dispelled
c} can't keep it up on the entire party at all times
i don't think you realize how demanding a hardcore playthrough of BG2 truly is
so far the most effective strategy has just been to exploit berserker dual classing
>>334721582
>and the only ones I can stomach are 2E AD&D and 4E.
>Why is it always the 3.5 players who bring it up
So basically you just hate 3E, and feel the need to attack 3E players.
>>334721745
I do think 3E is the worst of the bunch, but I'm not attacking 3E. I asked you why you didn't like 4E and all you did was make shit up.
Stop trying to change the subject and either answer the question or give up and admit you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>334721745
I have a friend like that who is a massive 4E fag and hates 3E. Playing NWN he kept going on about muh balance and that 4E is perfect.
>>334721337
ME is an action RPG you dingus.
>>334721404
Skeletons aren't evil though, that's just paladin propaganda.
>>334722374
>smites evil
>skelton dies
Explains this
>>334722012
You didn't ask a question.
Also spamming at-will powers is a fact. A lot of them are even situational, so you may very well end up spamming a few of the highest damage ones. I wasn't specifically trying to say that you only have two of them, that was just something I threw in as an exaggeration, stop riding on it so much.
>>334713336
You're talking shit mate.
ToEE is great game for its combat system alone. It's also yet another of many examples of games rushes out of developer's ass.
Temple+ and Co8 fixes lots of problems though and it's playable now.
>>334698229
5th ed is by far the most fun I've had with D&D and before I get called a newfag this was my first D&D anything that I owned and played (thanks dad).
>>334722445
>not playing a lawful good skeleton paladin
>>334722445
>literally falling for paladin propaganda
Anyone can make a spell that kills skeletons and call it smite evil but that doesn't mean skeletons are actually evil.
If I made a spell called Smite Faggots and it killed elves does it mean all elves are faggots?
>>334715940
Web, entangle, cloudkill, grease, horror.
AoE crowd-control spells win any and every encounter.
>>334722374
You are right. What I meant to say was this:
The only reason I ever contemplated on playing a wizard with a skeleton arm, was so that I could bring dead fathers, mothers, sons and daughters back to their families.
But since there is no arm, I cannot do that.
>>334722445
Slander.
>>334722874
Elaborate why you think it's better than previous editions.
>>334722896
>not playing a lawful good skeleton paladin
>try to turn few zombies
>self explode
>>334722902
>elf-fag defending skeletons
Next you will be saying the Kender dindu nuffin. I bet the Golems are behind this.
>>334722763
>You didn't ask a question.
Please learn to read before trying to post on 4chan. >>334720149
>Also spamming at-will powers is a fact.
It's a fact that it's possible, but that doens't mean it's what combat is all about. Unlike 3.x, which is all about spamming one attack (either you stand still and Full Attack all day, or you Charge all day to stack them bonuses) for non-casters.
>something I threw in as an exaggeration
Making shit up only hurts your point, so next time try not to lie when people ask you a question. And all your other complaints made no sense either.
>stop riding on it so much
I'm not "riding" anything, I'm just pointing out that the your arguments are bullshit. If you can't handle that, you should try not to lie next time.
>struggle with Draconis for several hours
>fuck it
>stack horrid wiltings on two of my mages contingencies
>Draconis instagibbed
I still have no idea how this game works. It just does.
>>334723048
the tl;dr is that the core design philosophy for 5th ed was to go with improved game flow and I feel that they did a great job at streamlining the experience without sacrificing depth. This is streamlining done right, not dumbing down.
-I like what they did with the classes. They updated them and made them all feel fun and unique with fun twists in mechanics to add flavor and less homogenized.
-Lots of Feats have been thrown out the window because of how banal 50% of them were. No one cares about a Feat that gives you +1 to Save throws vs traps. Instead Feats now are more meaningful where they act as bigger game changers for your characters instead of being more miniscule improvements that you pile upon your character.
-The updated Vancian magic system is genius, imo. Instead of having a bunch of variants of the same spells (Cure Light Wounds, Cure Moderate Wounds etc.) you instead have one spell that can be memorized in different level slots and that will improve the spell (a heal spell memorized in a level 1 slot heals 1d8, in a level 2 slot heals 2d8 etc.)
-WotC are bringing back all the cool but niche settings for 5th ed which have been getting shoved around since 3.X ed. Dark Sun and Ravenloft have their own flavor books again.
>>334723697
>Time Stop
>Improved Alacrity
>Muda da
>Spell trigger breach, lower resistances, pierce magic
>Horrid wiltings, magic missiles, fire arrows, desintegrate
How is that Sword Coast Legends game?
It's 5e, right? Are there any good guides or build tips?
>>334723106
>crowded skeleton market
>a skeleton is moving between the crowd nervously
>he stops, doesn't take a deep breath and shouts
TORM AKHBAR! TAKTYR!
>15 + 2d6 skeletons dead
>>334724124
Under average i'd say. Has nothing to do with D&D other than the setting and it plays more like an action game like Diablo
>>334724124
The company folded so don't expect any updates. It's not 5th ed, they did a bait and switch with the advertising. It's a straight up action game inspired by D&D. I'd say that the Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance games are closer to the actual D&D rules than SCL is. I wouldn't bother with the game, it's garbage. Monsters scale to your level, so unless you're OK with level 1 Beholders, avoid.
>>334724489
That sounds absolutely horrible.
What does WotC have to say about that?
They advertise it as a D&D game and use a shitty custom system?
Good Turn Based > RtWP > Realtime > Bad Turn Based
Debate me
>>334724691
WotC seems to license out their games to any shovelware developer, just like Games Workshop, so as long as they get a small buck from it I guess they don't care? Most D&D computer games are trash and the fact that we ever got any good ones seems to be a miracle in itself.
>>334724996
>Good Turn Based
>Bad Turn Based
What's the difference?
>>334724996
What aboutphase based? And what do you mean by bad turn based?
>>334724010
>>Improved Alacrity
I really miss fast casting in NWN/NWN2.
At least Haste gives you two spellcasts a round in NWN1, but they nerfed even that in NWN2 and it's strictly one spell a round. Buffing up takes ages.
>>334725052
One is good and the other isn't.
>>334706976
> What I don't like nor understand is mediocre and everyone should hate it.
No one cares though.
>tfw we will never get a D&D 5e game that plays like Divinity Original sin but with square tiles
>>334725052
The difference is Silent Storm vs Final Fantasy
>>334725372
>squares
>not hexagons
>>334725454
the only turn based FF games out there are FF1 & 10 tho. 2 games out of a series that spans up until 14 + all the spinoffs is not a good representitive of bad turn based gameplay. Besides, FF1 and FF10 had the best combat gameplay.
>>334724010
Improved alacrity is only good with that cheat robe from the shop.
You aren't cheating are you?
>>334725454
shit you got point
>>334707583
Deus Ex is literally more RPG than 99% of rpgs. Your actions have far more consequence to the game story than many others.
>but it still railroads you somewhat blah blah
Welcome to the imperfection of having a computer play the role of GM.
>>334726396
You can't make your own character though.
>>334726396
By your definition the only thing that separates an RPG and a non-RPG is the ability to have impact on the story. So what about people who play ready modules or adventures on PnP? They aren't playing an RPG then?
>>334725372
I fucking hate grid based combat.
>>334698137
I played a lot of NWN, NWN2 and so on but I found BG to be totally unplayable vanilla and the enhanced edition which I refunded, I don't know what I mods or whatever you need to make the game playable but BG belongs in 1998 and there's no point in playing something so janky and limited.
>>334725901
The most fun is with 2 rings of wizardry. Then you remember 30 magic missles on you wizard and spam it al lat one second.
In BG1 the worst cheat was to cast sequencers with to webs and then cast some more webs so that enemies are eternally held when you shoot them down.
>>334726602
Most unluckyfor you
>>334725901
What cheat robe, good man? I haven't used any kind of cheat in that game so I wouldn't know.
>>334726594
What? PNP is precisely the ideal. The GM has unlimited freedom to change the story based on how the players role play their character.
>>334726712
It's the one that gives -4 cast speed or something like that. You can get it in the special adventure mart shop.
Anyone else felt bad for killing dragons in BG2?
None of them are immediately hostile to you (mixed raced retards Aboogazil and his mentally challenged son do not count), and apart from Firkraag none are even evil. Yet I killed them all. John, you are the monsters.
Just started to install BG1 and BG2 following this guide:
https://www.gog.com/news/enhance_the_gameplay_in_your_edition_of_baldurs_gate_from_gogcom
Last time I played was with EasyTutu couple of years ago. Should I stick with guide in link or switch back to EasyTutu?
>>334726901
Robe of Vecna is canon and the bonus merchant is part of the game.
>>334726894
Without role playing, RPGs are baby mode tactical simulations. With aesthetic glossed on
>>334727000
BGT is fine too.
>>334726901
Ohhh, but that's not cheating, my friend. You don't need to input a code to buy them~
>>334726901
Hardly a cheat considering that late game you cast everything through chain contingencies and spell triggers anyway. The robe's only useful when you play solo sorcerer
>>334726894
That's not how modules and ready adventures work. And even then, that's a pipe dream. Most GM's run heavily railroaded adventures or give the illusion of choice, because _true freedom_ is still incredibly had to pull off in PnP without the game derailing and becoming an aimless snoozefest.
>>334727000
I prefer EasyTutu. I like the games being kept separate.
>>334726607
>played a lot of NWN
>finds BG clunky and dated
umm what
>>334726607
Pleb
BG has aged extremely well
>>334726994
>None of them are immediately hostile to you
Firkraag was hostile. Don't want to explain because of spoilerinos
>and apart from Firkraag none are even evil
Isn't the shadow dragon evil? Or is that technically a neutral plane? Two neutral planes? Positive/negative energy?
>>334727003
>>334727126
>>334727281
>p2w planescape promotional shop
>not cheating
>>334728250
>p2w with ingame gold
Do you even realize your own stupidity?
>>334702428
PLS RESPOND
>>334728428
Best girl
>>334702428
>jaheira in plate
YOU HAD ONE FUCKING JOB
>>334728579
You're entitled to your own opinion even if it is wrong. It's too bad neoBioware games became all about romances instead of optional side content you can completely miss.
>>334728760
Fighter/Druids can wear full plate in BG. I have her in dragonscale armor.
>>334728760
Idiot.
>>334701092
"To Hit AC0" right?
>>334728789
Leave drows alone jaheiraposter
>>334725454
I haven't played any FF 2bh. Or is it supposed to be example of good turn-based system?
>>334728892
Dragonscale counts as non metal armor because it's technically a beast hide.
>>334729376
Nigga, you can put on her the scale mails you find when you start Ironicus' dungeon.
I can never find place for Jaheira in my party
I've also never used a companion who's not Tomi in NWN1 OC
>>334723906
>you instead have one spell that can be memorized in different level slots and that will improve the spell
It took five editions to realize that?
>>334729376
You can put her in any full plate
>>334729297
Shit portrait
>>334729297
This portrait pack is horrible.
>>334707583
This. I'm sick & tired of seeing Deus Ex being plastered everywhere
I don't mind Jagged Alliance though. That's an honorary RPG for the simple fact that its combat actually resembles what American rpgs used to play like, survival tactical games with heavy resource management. That's what I look for in rpgs which is why I generally don't like Jrpgs. Jrpgs have no sense of balance, & a near infinite in-game economy.
I wish rpgs played more like Fallen Enchantress or Age of Wonders 3 which start out like rpgs, but you eventually build up your own kingdom and then you start warring with other kingdoms.
It's that progress of power which should be centric to computer rpgs. In Fallen Enchantress, you start off as a generic rpg party but the the party eventually turns into an army and the battles eventually build up into wars. That's what I would like to see more of in rpgs. Maybe I'm just more into the tactical aspect of rpgs, because I think that choice & consequences bullshit is fucking gay. That's not real gameplay.
Then again muh fave Western Rpg is Wizardy 8 so from the get-go it's obvious that I prefer adventure, & combat tactics over gayass roleplaying with yourself. .
>>334726396
Your actions don't matter at all in Deus Ex when the ending can be decided within the final moment. The story hardly even changes. When you slaughter the terrorists in the original map, fucking nothing happens. About the only thing you can change is the order that Gunther, the russian bitch & Walton Simon die.
You can also affect the dies or outcomes of the minor characters, but so fucking what? Even Dragon Age Origins has a similar amount of outcomes. It's all cosmetic bullshit.
Shin Megami Tensei 4 handles the C&C much better because it actually locks you out of content or forces you to do more quests depending on the choices you've made. That C&C shit is annoying as fuck and doesn't belong in games.
>>334698229
5e, don't listen to the 3.5/PF shitters.
What's the best starting point for a game like this? IWD? BG1?
What's the most fun?
What has the most cozy towns and music?
>>334729858
>What has the most cozy towns and music?
Definitely IWD for that.
Easthaven is one of the comfiest towns in RPGs.
>>334729690
>>334729674
I don't use myself, though i have a big collection in my drow folder.
>>334729971
Athkatla is comfier.
The only thing Easthaven has is the music.
>>334729697
JA2 is a tactical game, period, not an RPG. And thank god, because talking and doing sidequest is a massive pain for the few times you have to do it. Beside, in just one town into the game you drown in enemy equipment and eventually money.
>>334729858
Order or release, friend.
>>334730102
>Athkatla
>Shadow Guild's HQ
>no spells allowed
>comfy
>>334730190
Is IWD a sequel or spinoff of BG?
>>334730249
>not chilling in your own planar sphere embedded into some peasant's house, planning your next vacation to the outer planes
>>334725454
So a clunky ruskie shit with AP plastered upon it with no grace versus a simplified system that gets reinvented every time for shits and giggles.
>>334724124
It's not really bad, just average and plays more like Dragon Age: D&D Adventure
Game is also rather easy, but gameplay is fun especially because cancerous vancian is gone so your spellcasters can always throw cooldown based spells on battles now
>>334722896
Is there something that needs smiting here?
>>334730394
>inside planar sphere
But that's not even in Athkatla anon.
Hell it's not on Faerun at all.
>>334730535
>ladies man.
>>334728081
>Firkraag was hostile.
When you find him he says "it was a just a prank bro" and lets you go
>>334729697
Deus Ex is very much an RPG even if it's not a traditional one.
Might and Magic isn't D&D but close enough. Which ones are the best and why are they 4-6?
>>334731013
>M&M IX
triggered
>>334731013
Come on 7 is also wonderful. I personally love 4 the most.
>>334722823
A combat system full of trap choices, thanks to 3.0 D&D, an incredibly unprecise turn time management, and spotty AoO detection. No amount of modding and level cap raising (for a module designed for players up to level 10) can make it better.
>>334731168
MMX is the thing that triggers me the most here. Fuck you ubisoft.
>>334731013
Can't wait for mm8.5 mod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3veFpPAlKE
>>334731013
I played 6 and 7, but could never get into 4-5.
It felt claustrophobic because I couldn't turn around freely.
Please help me get into 5e.
I dont want to look like a total idiot when I actually play it
>>334731642
You get used to it after a few hours. I had to play these game with solution to not get lost sometimes. I still very enjoyed it.
>>334731301
X wasn't even that bad.
It was short and the world map too limited, but it had its moments.
>>334730402
Clunky Russian shit with a detailed combat system and fully destructible environments.
>>334731013
Why no gameplay shot for X? Is it that bad?
>ToEE in OP
You listened!
>>334731642
The biggest problem I had with 4-5 is always having an item/spell list with stats and descriptions while I played. It felt like I was constantly referring to it. Other than that, the game is pretty intuitive. Much better than 1-3 anyway.
Kind of late in the thread but screw it.
I'm currently playing baldurs gate one as a solo Inquisitor and I have to say its probably the most fun I have had with the game, only having to worry about making one character as powerful as possible makes things much less annoying. I also like the one man army thing I have going and its not nearly as hard as I expected it to be since you level up faster. Anyone else do challenge runs in baldurs gate?
>>334731986
The resolution for most X screenshots is 1920x1080. Either the image would have to be big or I'd have to downscale that screenshot so much it would look bad. Almost no one cares about X and even I haven't played it.
>>334706535
Why is Antara being constantly shat on? I personally enjoyed it more than Bertayal at Krondor.
>>334731983
>>334731986
Story is shit. For me its not even might and magic. My heart still hurts that they abandoned such a great universe with developed lore for a bland fantasy crap that is no way enjoyable. Might and Magic 3 was my first game ever and they made me interested in tabletops and just wrpgs in general. This company ruined such a great franchise.
>>334732082
I'll have to get around playing it once.
Played the 1.0 version when it was released, it was quite a mess and quit in the first dungeon.
>>334732363
Install Circle of Eight and Temple+ on gog version. You will be surprised how great it is now.
Honest to god growing up in the 3.5 age is the only reason anyone would vouch for it. 2e and 5e are both miles ahead of it.
B/X is best though.
Not speaking for video games here (were there any 3.5 video games?) but for the ttg.
>>334732362
That's because M&M games share a universe with the current Heroes games.
Ubi replaced the world in Heroes V and VI, and MMX plays in that one.
>>334732363
http://www.sorcerers.net/Games/ToEE/index_misc.php
>>334732605
I can understand if someone prefers 4E or 5E, but 2E was so shallow and devoid of character customization that I cannot understand how people favor it.
>>334732605
It's strange because I actually started with 5e and was able to quickly understand 2e and found it much less confusing, were they not supposed to make more sense as they go on?
>>334732362
>>334732646
>replaced the world
Did they really? I haven't payed close attention to the franchise, what has changed?
>>334732731
>shallow
>devoid of content
What are kits?
>>334732741
5e is pretty weird, only thing I like from it that's new is Advantage and Disadvantage. Otherwise I have no idea why someone would play it over Advanced or Basic D&D.
>>334732731
It's because they're not about character building which is fine. I prefer 3E for something like NWN with all the modules but when managing a party of 6 people I think 2E is better where every class is viable with no trap builds.
>>334732774
Imagine going from Forgotten Realms (BG/IWD/NWN) to Dragon Age.
Completely new history, lore, countries, religion and so on. Considerably more generic and shallow than the old one.
>>334732774
Basically everything. The whole universe and story is different and detached from original one. Before it was a quite interesting and unique blend of sci-fi and fantasy. All thos euniverses were simply simulations created by the ancients (speculations say they are future humans) that are treated like gods in MM. Kreegans were an alien race that crashed on. Antagarich and lost most of their technology, not some dumbass demons like heroes fans think. I also loved how the universe was inspired directly from medieval literature.
Now the current universe promoted by Ubi is just a shitty generic fantasy with no depth into it. Just because muh heroes 4 was bad opinion. The problem is that the story itself in heroes 3 leaves no other future options than destruction of antagarich. Gelu started to become corruped by the power of armageddons blade. Thankfully the ancients intervened and saved all the pople from destruction by placing them on a new planet.
>>334733190
Yes, I'm glad there are no trap builds in 2E like Jester, Wizard Slayer, Shaman and the rest of the worthless kits.
At least you have to fuck up your build in 3E, but in 2E even picking the wrong class can lead to a trash character.
>tfw browsing all the concept art and assets that were made for Arcanum 2 before it got scrapped
>>334733232
>>334733441
Rewrighting setting from scratch seems like a lot of effort. Why did they do that?
>>334733650
They pretty much turned it into a different franchise.
They also changed core game mechanics and casualized everything.
The tragedy of the Heroes of MM series is comparable to Spore.
>>334733650
Bioware's dnd license expired
In case of Might & Magic/HoMM, the setting was already in a different planet in HoMM IV because the old one exploded or something and that was still by 3DO so who the fuck knows what they were thinking
>>334733582
Bloodlines is the only good Troika game m8
>>334734110
I mean what we missed, fuck you Arcanum was amazing.
So is HoMM VI really that bad? I always wanted into the series, but TBS is not my genre. Newer casual game seems like a good place to start from for me.
Is it true that in BG2 sorceres don't need int? Also was there way to reset your spell book.
Planning to do solo sroc just like 10 years ago. But can't remember the details
>>334734276
This.
Arcanum is amazing.
>>334734312
If you want to get into the series, play Heroes V. It's easily the second best Heroes game after III and it's fairly beginner-friendly.
It starts out with smaller map and the first campaign is pretty much a tutorial, slowly unlocking new units.
VI is just shit.
>>334734312
HOMM series in general is poor outside of II and III. I and IV are worth playing but not much else.
>>334733910
The real problem is Bioware got bought out by EA. As soon as they did, the premium module program for NWN was shut down.
>>334731013
>it was sci-fi all along
This wasn't clever.
>>334734656
I feel bad for all the studios like Ossian who were in the middle of developing a module. At least they released it for free.
>>334733650
It started when 3d0 decidedto add forge town which is basically a faction that uses scrap technology from the ancients. It wasn't anything weird or new for Might and Magic fans. But to be honest heroes popularity (mind that it was planned to be just a M&M spinoff) vastly outgrown the M&M one. They basically had different audiences. While might and magic had a lot of those sci-fi references, heroes nearly had none as it was focused on politics of Antagarich. So such announcment made outrage in HoMM community and made 3do to delete and rewrite the whole expansion for Heroes 3. This is where their financial problems started. Thats why development of heroes 4 was rushed. Storywise Heroes 4 was very nice sadly gameplay improvements were really badly implemented and it caused another outrage from hardcore heroes fans. I liked h4 myself. Sadly Heroes community was really unforgivable and made 3do bankrupt. It was their attitude that everything that is not Heroes 3 is shit. Then ubishit bought the franchise and doeas whatever he can to attract casuals.
>>334734312
Heroes III is very friendly for newcomers. Just don't play past V. VI and VII are total crap. V has a bit bland story but gameplaywise is okay. Also universe reset, trigger warning.
>>334734772
in MM universe future humans were so technologically advanced and powerful to create their own worlds and be like gods.
>>334734783
I'm surprised Ossian is still in business.
>>334734783
That was pretty bad desu
I've been playing a couple of them, and they have quality comparable to the original campaigns and the good fan-made modules.
Very different from modern paid mods, like the ones that were sold for Skyrim.
Why the fuck didn't ToEE have multiplayer? it had a turn based system that was fairly faithful to 3.5E BUILT INTO IT. Nothing complicated to deal with in real time like the ENTIRE infinity engine series of games which all had multiplayer except for Planescape.
ToEE the actual campaign was MADE to be tackled as a coherent team yet there it is. Single player and with shitty ass voice acting. It's not like they didn't know HOW to, Arcanum had multiplayer and it came out 2 years earlier.
What the hell, Troika?
>>334735709
Game release was a bit rushed as i remember
>>334735617
Skyrim paid mods were the same free mods a couple months before with a price tag slapped onto it.
>>334698229
3.5, but what i've experienced of 5 isn't bad, I won't hate you for playing it anon.
>>334732363
I tried playing the GOG version for the first time last year, for some reason it was just a fucking mess, if it didn't crash on startup it crashed not long after, or I got in the game and it was artifacted/unresponsive.
I might try again soonish, I've got a new card and cpu since then, maybe it was a wierd incompatability.
>>334698229
I started with second edition. Played my fair share of 3.5E and Path finder and only dabbled in 5E so far but I feel it's a pretty solid rule set without all the WoW tier non-sense of 4E.
>>334734783
Yeah, I'm playing through Darkness Over Daggerford right now and it's very good, it reminds me a lot of Baldurs Gate 1.
>>334731334
>notepad
Into the trash it goes.
>>334736329
Remember to play a dance with the rogues.
>>334736329
I was playing it until now but stopped after noticing you don't get to do stuff with your stronghold, like you could in NwN2.
I also had just finished the wizard tower quest, which was annoying as fuck.
>>334736635
The worst thing with ADWR is accidentally going somewhere underleveled and failing miserably to disarm traps
>>334738317
I thought that the being a slut part.
>>334738770
That's the fun part tho
>>334738902
>not staying pure for your bardfu
>>334738995
Can you not romance her if you're marked as a whore?
>>334738902
Its the first step to become homo. Slppery slope...
>>334739090
You just need to get in touch with your inner woman :^)
How do i druid /v/?
>>334739229
Fuck i have awaken ADWR lewdposters
>>334706535
need to add witcher 3 and fallout 4 to shit tier on that list.
>>334739274
You get Jaheira
>>334739274
you don't.
druids are terrible in ad&d. fighter/druid is the only way it can work (and even then ranger/cleric is better at it).
>>334739472
Cleric doesn't get insect swarm/plague right?
>>334739581
Cleric/ranger does.
>>334739472
Call Lightning was my favorite spell in BG1. It was so satisfying. Insect swarm is great too.
But to be honest I usually just cheese it and go cleric/ranger. They have access to all cleric and druid spells.
>>334739709
Sounds like an OP class combo. I still go with fighter/druid because I like Jaheira and find arcane magic more fun than divine magic.
>>334739850
Too bad it's pretty much useless in bg2 because all fights are inside
>>334740065
I've had a couple uses for it before in BG2.
>>334739378
I've been here since the start of the thread friend
What's a good level to dual shar-teel to thief?
>>334732350
Betrayal at Krondor was made by the same people who did Tribes and Tribes 2, right? Why do all the good devs die in their prime or turn to shit.
>>334741815
Why would you want to dual class into thief?
>>334742223
To have a thief
>>334742410
thief to fighter would be a lot better to be honest
>>334735709
Tim Cain had a kidney stone or something during ToEE development.
>>334744553
Here's the full interview for anyone interested. Pretty insightful.
http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=8416
>>334730917
Just like how stealing all that dude's lands was a prank and how he has his underling fight you to the death even if you don't attack him.
you just dont get his sense of humor
>>334741815
I would dual at 4 so you can actually get her fighter skills back in BG1.
>>334746992
7 would be idea if it carried over though and I would do a fighter/cleric instead and just get another thief.
>>334729578
I've been using the girl bard, she just kind of casts daze and fear a bunch and doesn't do much else. At least she can pick locks still though.
>>334747293
>7 wisdom
>fighter/cleric
>>334729578
Deekin is a bro and Jaheira is a pretty good front line fighter if you give her some good equipment. Insect swarm is really useful for mage fights and ironskin lets her take hits.
>>334747849
Didn't check her abilities lmao. Dual her into thief at 3 or 4.
>>334747657
Do you have the henchman AI mod?
>>334748314
I do not. Didn't realize this was a thing. That sounds quite helpful, mind tossing me a link?
Which do you prefer:
Henchmen with proper AI you can give basic commands
Or companions you have full contol of?
you canon party for bg1/BGtutu/BGT/BGEE?
UD
Imoen
Yeslick
Alora
Branwen
Neera (EE), Dynaheir (BGT)
>>334748774
Full control always.
>>334748765
http://neverwintervault.org/project/nwn1/hakpak/original-hakpak/henchman-inventory-battle-ai-mod
>>334748774
I like both. Henchmen can be frustrating sometimes in certain modules especially when they're weak but when they work they can be fun. I really like how familiars work in NWN and not every game needs to be like BG2 with 6 party members to control. I could just play BG2 for that anyways.
>>334748953
I went with the canon party that you start with in BG2 because I'm boring but I did use Branwen and Edwin before he died.
>>334748953
Mage Bhaalspawn
Imoen
Kivan
Viconia
Xan
Shar-Teel
>>334698229
Hackmaster.
>>334701092
I sure hope I'm not the only person who says Thak-Owe.
>>334749123
Also this mod page has been really useful for me. I would get the camera mod too and there's a bunch of texture and model replacements you might be interested in.
http://lilura1.blogspot.com/p/nwn-utility-visual-mods.html
I want to play PnP D&D but I have no friends.
Is it at all possible to single play it? Like going through a premade module while acting as a DM. Of course, the problem is that everything is spoiled as soon as I read that part.
>>334750141
I do too
>>334750327
There are singleplayer modules as far as i know
>>334698229
Don't play either, don't play pathfinder either.
Play a good system like Mutants and Masterminds instead.
>>334750327
It's not really about the dice rolls and leveling up, Anon, it's about experiencing the stories with your friends. I'm sorry. Have you tried roll20.net?
>>334706510
Once you fight higher level casters, you will clearly see the difference on your own. A stoneskin when you're not prepared for it will fuck your party up real bad
>>334750892
That's when you spam Breach
What are some good nwn modules to play from lvl 1?
>>334751517
ADWR
>>334751517
A lot of good low level modules start you at level 5 or so to skip the suffering phase.
>>334748774
depends on the gameplay. BG was basically an RTS so having full control is best. If it's first person, AI is better.
>>334752590
I just want to learn the game. DnD is confusing.
Why is it so less painful controlling a full party in BG2 than in NWN2?
I'm only controlling 4 people and it's already pissing me off. Is it 3.5?
>>334752924
>bg is an rts
Well that is new.
>>334753205
It's the UI. Constant shifting through radial menus can be taxing.
>>334753205
Because Obsidian.
Never played one of these types of games. Could some one recommend me a good one to start with that would give me a general idea orlf what the rest are like. Im fed up with a the boring jrpgs as of late. I think I'm ready for change.
>>334753569
Oh shit. NWN2, not NWN. Then it's camera, most likely. Animations are pretty slow compared to BG, too.
>>334753569
NWN2 has no radial menus. It has a convenient quick cast tab too.
>>334753569
>>334753852
NWN1's radial menu is pretty easy though and everything can be assigned to the hotbar.
>>334745205
>So then the question is, why didn't we get any offers we liked? Especially since all of our games turned a profit? From the publishers point of view, our previous games had sold to a niche audience, so they were unwilling to fund us to make either a new IP or a large mainstream game based on a licensed IP because their numbers showed that the profit was too small. In other words, they could spend that money at other developers where their rate of return was much higher. It makes total sense from a business point of view, but it's still sad for Troika and its employees.
huh, so none of their games were financial failures. I didn't know that!
>>334753840
CRPGs in general or D&D games? A lot of JRPGs are basically wizardry clones anyways.
>>334753994
I find it really unconvinient for casters who change their spell setup often. Other than that, yeah, it's pretty easy, as long as you only have to control one character.
>>334753852
I don't have problems with the camera either.
It's probably the enemy AI.
You can't "tank" in NWN2 like you can in BG2. It's like the enemy is just scripted to run through your fighter front line and just attack the casters.
After I open up with a single spell, in 2 seconds the fight becomes a fucking mess no matter what you do, with all friendly and enemy units in a big fucking blob. At that point you can't even cast spells without hitting your own party members.
In BG2 the fights were much more controllable and enjoyable to find a good tactics.
>>334754242
VTM:B could have been their big break considering it's a pretty easy to get into action RPG but they got cucked by Valve and Activision.
2E is better for cRPGs. 3/3.5E is better for tabletop. Quote me
So, SoD was a failure in the end?
>>334754524
I like 3s customization better for cRPGs. I'm a minmaxer though
>>334754524
You got it completely backwards.
2E is good for tabletop because the skills don't limit your roleplay. 3E is bad for tabletop because instead of roleplaying, you look up your knowledge/tumble/riding/whatever skill level and roll a die.
3E is great for vidya because it's focused on character building and combat, instead of roleplay.
>>334754524
Both editions work well for their respective games. I don't think NWN would have been any better as a 2E game especially with persistent world servers where character building is a big part of it.
>>334754565
Don't think they've mentioned how many copies they've sold. I kinda hope it did well enough because I want to see Gaider work on something else not owned by EA to see if he still has any talent in him.
>>334754565
http://steamcommunity.com/stats/228280/achievements/
0.8% have completed the first dungeon.
>>334754751
80% of the buyers heard about the game first time on tumblr, only bought it for the progressive agenda and expected a walking simulator probably.
Most of them quit during character building.
>>334754702
If that's true, then why do all of the good cRPGs use 2E and many tabletop groups still use modified 3.5E?
So me and two of my friends are going in pretty much blind in this game. I'm wondering if I should stick to my plan of being a fighter/cleric since one wants to be a bard and one wants to be a monk named John Cena while putting all of his points into hiding for some reason. Could we be alright if we ran with a party like this? I know you can take npcs along as well.
>>334755030
Because 3E wasn't out yet when those games were made.
And lots of groups use 3E because they want to dungeon crawl and play a module instead of roleplay.
>>334754286
Crpgs in general. Always wanted to play the DnD ones just never could decide which one.
>>334754751
Jesus.
I was checkin other forums and barely anyone is talking about this beside the obvious 'drama'. Even torrents barely have people.
>>334755095
Which game, BG1?
Fighter/cleric is solid, and if you play well you can compensate for a bad party with tanking, healing, buffing and so on.
Bard is that... "i don't have any better idea for a 6th party member" class, it's decent, can't really go wrong with it.
Monks aren't very strong on low levels.
Take a fighter, a thief and a wizard NPC and you will be fine.
>>334755375
Don't discredit Bards when Blades are awesome
>>334755454
Pure class bards aren't so hot, though.
>>334755375
Yeah, we're starting on BG1 and plan on going on to 2. My friend knows about how weak a monk is at the start but he'll bite through it. My friend is pretty convinced on bard as well, and I just personally like to do tanking and buffing stuff like you said fighter/cleric does.
>>334755549
Wouldn't it be a better idea to take another class for BG1 instead of Monk and just switch to a different character for BG2? The game isn't exactly short, and I considered the second game separate in terms of party composition always.
>>334755345
a ton of people could have bought it and just never played it. this is steam we're talking about. lotta people with money burning holes in their pockets.
>>334755262
I think Fallout 1 and 2 are pretty easy to get into. The rules are simple and the turn based combat isn't very complex and you get a lot of freedom in Fallout 2 to do whatever you want. BG1 and 2 are probably the easiest D&D games to get into because the rules are pretty simple and you don't have to deal with complex character building.
>>334755714
Maybe. I don't really know, I haven't played the game much yet.
>My only hope for Beamdog after this fiasco is that they've learned to hire people based on merit instead of what kind of genitals a person has between their legs, what skin color they might have, whether or not they identify as something other than human, or which political agenda they adhere to.
That guy was brutal. Too bad he is gonna get banned.
>>334755867
BG1 didn't have monks in the base game but I think the EE adds some items. I don't own the EE so I'm not 100% sure it does.
>>334755843
Also if you want a modern CRPG that's easy to get into, I would recommend Divinity: Original Sin with a friend.
>>334755714
well, yes. monks in bg1 are rather weak.
>>334755375
>bard
>monk
Wonder how long it'll take before they drop it
>>334726594
What would you guys call a game that lets you chose but only within set plausible choices the MC would take according to his character and past experiences? RPG? Or other genre?
>>334756105
you are correct about monks and bg1&ee.
>>334756156
If he goes Blade he'll have a good time.
When the hell is GOG going to bring over 2.1 for BGEE so I can start playing.
>>334755843
Thanks for the recommendation anon. I think I have all the fallout games from some steam sale. About BG what is recommended The EE/vanilla?
>>334756105
Coop really? I'll definitely pick that up. I miss playing coop games with my bros.
>>334756387
I already own the vanillas so that's what I play. You'll have to install some mods for it though if you want to play widescreen.
>>334756647
It's 2 player co-op only. BG can be played with a party of 6 people although from my experience it's a real hassle to do with modded copies. NWN also lets you do co-op and there's hundreds of modules you could play with friends.
>>334756647
Divinity OS is pretty fun.
Even the dialogue is co-op.
One player can say something nice and the other player can say fuck off to the NPC, then the game rolls a dice and chooses the answer based on that. Of course you can also agree with each other.
>>334756850
You mean you play rock paper scissors. They're going to change it in the next game though.
>>334715940
I had two of the non-casters with necklaces of missles fire them off.
Fireball into the center from 2 casters and a couple of potions of explosions.
Everything died but the demon who didn't last very long.
Only on core though, I really should be on a higher difficulty but I'm playing with a pretty unoptimzed build.
>>334754286
>>334755843
>>334756105
>>334756802
>>334756850
Ty anon. I'm sure they will breath new life into playing games for me again.
>>334757419
Just remember CRPG is a very broad (and muddy) genre and varies a lot from game to game. If you don't enjoy the isometrics, you might like first person dungeon crawlers or third person open world ones.
>>334756373
so thats the reason the torrents are outdated
thanks man.
>>334756387
I'd say get the EE if you don't want to bother installing mods to make vanilla work properly.
>>334758205
wait, which mods would it even require?
i've played vanilla without mods a lot and don't remember ever having issues with it
Any infinite spells mods? I know I can just rest and it's not necessary and beats the purpose of the game.
>>334758205
>>334758732
I'd say BG1NPC and Unfinished Business are a must.
Use either BGTrilogy or BGTutu, as vanilla engine is really outdated. Then install BG2Fixpack, and the other two mods above.
>>334759039
might try those out sometime, although i've tried bgtutu and never really thought it was needed. it actually wrecked one of my games, but this was years ago
>>334758840
Play another game
Or make do with sorcerer
>>334759241
It's Easytutu now which fixes a lot of bugs.
>>334753012
Do shadows of undrentide then go into hordes of the underdark.
>>334758024
I just checked, the only game that 2.1 matters for is SoD so I started playing 2.0.
>>334759039
Don't forget Ascension and Wheel of Prophecy for ToB
>>334760528
Does wheel of prophecy do anything other than letting you fight Balthazar earlier?
>>334760765
It makes ToB a little less linear
>>334761115
and adds some cut content and dialogue
>>334706535
Too much wrong with this bait tier list to fix, someone needs to make a real one.
>>334761647
Or we could have no list at all and discuss games
>>334706535
>>334761647
Fixed it up a bit but its still a mess
>>334762327
Dungeon Siege deserves to be higher for the Ultima 6 remake and I find your opinions on Fallout 1 and 2 disturbing
>>334762327
>human revolution and new vegas above deus ex and fallout 1/2
kys
>>334729697
Lords of magic. Turn based strategy with real time party combat. Its fucking amazing.
Why did I not hear about this module earlier
http://neverwintervault.org/project/nwn1/prefab/item/rod-fast-buffing
A rod for nwn1 and nwn2 that lets you cast those 10 buff spells you cast after every rest with a single action (only outside combat so it's balanced)
>>334764008
I'm debating on whether or not I should get one of the creature replacer packs or not
>>334763481
>>>/reddÃt/
>>334763481
what's up with all these weird abbreviations these days?
>>334729671
3/3.5 nah keep it the same
4e: its now a spammable power
>>334762327
>two worlds 2
>low tier
>two worlds 2
>shit tier
Fuck, it's so bad it's both.
The list is still shit though, it would be easier to make a new one.
>>334723906
That sounds good. Are spells still per rest?
>>334765658
Warlocks get their spells back per short rest, everyone else gets them back per long rest.
>>334706535
Is that shit tier Pool of Radiance game really that bad? I had a friend who gave me the discs YEARS ago but I never got around to installing it. I don't think I've even seen screenshots of it
>>334765774
Just play the module for nwn
>>334755030
>and many tabletop groups still use modified 3.5E?
Most of those groups started with 3E and automatically assume that it takes as much effort to learn a new system as it did to learn 3E and so they won't learn new systems.
>>334739924
Druid is divine magic you fucking idiot.
>>334700851
More like 3.51
>>334732731
That's because you're a fucking idiot who thinks RPGs = character building.
>>334733471
Yeah, okay, let me know how that goes with Fighters and Monks, both of which are worse than any of those kits, or god fucking forbid Truenamer or the Complete Warrior Samurai.
Who aerie here
>>334766060
I never said it wasn't. I just don't want to play as a cleric/ranger.
>>334767007
It's the exact same thing as Fighter/Cleric or Fighter/Druid but with more spells, stealth, and free TWF dots.
>>334702923
Roll a D20. Add the AC score of the opponent.(don't subtract. In 2e, the lower the AC, the better. This is where people seem to get confused) If the sum is equal to or greater than your thac0, you hit. It's counterintuitive when compared with later editions (which is why they justifiedly changed it), but it takes 15 minutes tops of playing 2e to have it down pat, not to mention that most players know what they need to roll to hit what AC just by rote since thac0 only changes slowly over time.
>>334708394
>>334715848
So which one of you two was the one originally acting smug about other people not understanding thac0?
>>334762327
nice meme tier
7/10 almost feel for it
Cleric/Ranger or Cleric/Fighter? I'm having trouble deciding.
>>334768034
Oh shit.
Who DRUIDS here?
>>334769089
shifter desu
>>334767950
Necromancer or Transmuter. Enchanter if you care more about making them consent and go along with things then optimizing pleasure.
>>334768034
Another question before thread dies, Are staffs viable for cleric/ranger? I always envision my character in rpgs using staffs, you know, OC donut steel.
>>334769665
Staves are okay but they're not exceptional, you can definitely play the game using them.
>>334769665
Viable, just not optimal.
Melee oriented staves are rare, so you're better off with flails or warhammers.
>>334769897
>>334769981
Yeah I plan on having warhammers as my secondary. That Crom hammer sounds like it'll OP me, so I can focus on wisdom instead of strength.
>>334770220
That hammer is really endgame, though.
You will still find belts of giant strength fairly early that gives you at least 19.
>>334770292
Oh, Alrighty. Thanks. Maybe I should try to get this flail of ages I've been hearing about instead.
See ya later fellas. May good rolls come to you.
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