Why didn't the Vita succeed?
>great handheld res/graphics
>has the potential to be the best handheld system of all time
>dual analog sticks
>could've had a shitload of AAA titles and other games
It really did have the potential to be more successful than the 3DS.
So why didn't it succeed? Why aren't there any games being made for it besides anime/moe titles?Is it really because of the memory cards?
No Monhan
The back touch screen seemed gimmicky and pushed the price to the expensive range
>>334617943
>Is it really because of the memory cards?
Yes. At least it was the main reason for me not to buy one.
There was no way it could have succeeded, the market for portable consoles in that price range had all but disappeared when it launched. 3DS only sold when Nintendo slashed the price.
Plus memory cards and typical Sony marketing.
Because sony went with the wrong approach. They tried marketing big games like Uncharted, CoD and Fifa on it while normalfags don't care about handhelds / can get them on a home console instead. Only a small niche sticked with the vita because japanese companies made a shit ton of budget titles for it that filled their needs.
>>334618479
I'm apart of that niche.
Feels good.
>>334617943
Shitty memory cards
No games for the masses
Sony gave up on it after the ps4 came out
>Is it really because of the memory cards?
Yes. You can ask this every day and the answer will always be the same.
>>334618250
Most Vita games don't even use the backtouch anymore. I actually forgot it existed.
Because children don't know a good thing when they see it. Vita did great in Japan because the Japanese aren't a poor fucking entitled children like spoiled western brats.
If sony had stuck an apple logo on the back, westerners would have bought every model stories carried.
Who two or more Vita master race here?Get the fuck out if you have a Vita TV
>>334618250
The back touch pad wasn't expensive at all. The OLED screen was where things got expensive.
>>334618689
The memory cards are just a small factor. No games outside of extremely small niches is the biggest problem.
>>334618921
it does have games though
Sony didn't support it at all
they made the same mistakes they did for the PSP, nobody wants to fucking play Uncharted and God of War and shit on a handheld.
Why would third party developers make games for it when Sony treated it like garbage? It's presence was nonexistent in all press conferences. I can't think of a single game reveal they did. They would at least show a montage of upcoming games for the PSP but they acted like the Vita didn't even exist.
>>334618770
>Get the fuck out if you have a Vita TV
Why? It's cheap and it lets my friend play all of my PS1 classics and the indie shovelware that Sony crams down our throat in the form of PS+ freebies.
>>334618770
Vita TV's are cheap as fuck. I bought a bundle that came with a controller and memory card for 20 bucks.
library consists of console ports.
>4 years later, and the Vita's still not hacked
What's taking so long?
>>334618971
read the rest of his sentence famicom
>>334618971
>No games outside of extremely small niches is the biggest problem.
Read nigga.
>>334618584
It's great. It keeps the weirdos away from regular games.
>>334618241
This, Monster Hunter was the only reason I owned a PSP and it's the only reason I own a 3DS. Sony should not have pissed Capcom off like they did.
What's the point of owning a handheld when you can't play Pokemon on it?
>>334619074
Sony learned their lesson after the PSP. They made the Vita secure as fuck.
>>334619212
Looks like I'm never owning one.
>>334619212
They shot themselves in the foot, that's what ramped psp sales outside of japan
Because Sony are fucking idiots and because Nintendo can't be beat on handheld, unfortunately
I own one and there are some decent games on it, but I wish Sony had actually tried to get some good vidya on it, but then when will Sony ever stop being shitlords
Not for a long time, considering how well the ps4 is doing
>>334619336
Even if it got custom firmware tomorrow, there isn't much Vita stuff to play. No reason to crack it at this point unless you want a new emulation machine.
>>334619209
Emulators exist.
>>334619209
What's the point of owning a handheld when you can't play Neptunia, Project Diva or DR?
>>334619362
And it's also what made them lose a shitload of money from lost software sales.
>>334619362
Yeah but profit margins on consoles/handhelds aren't high, Sony, MS, and Nintendo make the bulk of their money off software sales.
The PSP sold like 100 million units worldwide, an impressive number. But it's software sales were abysmal outside of Japan.
>>334619434
But what if I like the Vita library?
>>334617943
I got my Vita just for Senran Kagura and Neptunia. Turns out it has many other great games. I've put way more time into my Vita than I have my 3DS.
>>334618384
>>334618994
These.
It's always sony being braindead as fuck.
>>334619464
>wanting to play Neptunia or Project Diva
Pokemon guarantees Nintendo handhelds will always win.
It can't play PSP UMD
Shame
>>334619565
Then buy one? It's not expensive.
You know Sony isn't gonna support it because thye need Playstation to succeed. So they're like here have some PS1 games, here's some spinoffs to some PS3 games and here's some PS3 ports. Enjoy.
>$300 + another $60-100 for a memory card that isn't shit
>no games besides P4G, Soul Sacrifice, Gravity Rush and shitty console ports
>barely marketed
At the time, it was cheaper to just buy a PS3 and play games on that. And a year later when the PS4 came out, everyone forgot the piece of shit existed.
It's a nice piece of hardware, but no marketing and a shitty library, which was objectively mediocre given it only had 3 decent games, one of them being fucking P4, and of course it was gonna fail. Sure it's an okay system now if you're into all the turn-based weeb shit, but it's never going to be more popular than that, and moreso less popular since Nintendo is the one with the portable goliath, Monster Hunter, under their belts.
>>334619641
>wanting to play Pokemon>wanting to play the worst generation, no less
>>334619464
There' Project Mirai DX tho
>>334619693
Well not always, Pokemon won't stay popular forever. But yeah for now Pokemon sells handhelds like no other game.
>>334619815
>$300
It's $200 new.
>>334619546
>Sony, MS, and Nintendo make the bulk of their money off software sales.
Don't bother trying to explain this to piratefags. They're delusional enough to think the rampant PSP piracy didn't hurt anyone, and that the proprietary vita memory cards and other vita security features came out of nowhere.
>>334618807
The old added to the value, the back screen did nor
>>334619534
>>334619546
They could capitalize in gaining money from hardware, they'd be doing alot better than they are doing now
>>334617943
Why do you keep making the same threads that produce the same results?
Changing markets, that's all there is to it. Its why the 3DS was failing and its why its sold less than the PSP by over 10 million.
>>334619815
Wait, the PS Vita costs 300 bucks?
I only had to pay $110 for mine.
>>334619823
I didn't say shit about Pokemon buddy. Neptunia and Diva are trash.
>>334619209
Pokemon is dead, kiddo
I was going to buy a vita for persona 4g, but it was dub only. then I was going to buy one for dungeon travellers 2, but it was censored. nep rebirth is on pc now and senran is coming. the only thing left that I would actually buy are the arland+ gust games. not being hackable was a mistake.
PROPRIETARY
MEMORY
CARDS
>>334619927
>They could capitalize in gaining money from hardware,
By making it more expensive? That would work out well wouldn't it?
>>334619916
The back touch pad's effect on the selling price was negligible. Singling that out seems a little weird.
>>334619883
>>334619950
>At the time
It was $300 at release, it's $150 - $200 now.
>>334619464
>There will never be a Nep game on a Nintendo console.
Feels bad.
>>334620058
In what world?
>>334619983
>i hate fun and sweet rhythm games: the post
okay man
>>334617943
idk but there hasn't been a better time to pick up a handheld. It was like $160 and new games are like $25 and there are a lot of good games in it's library.
>>334620120
Pokemon is dead, kid.
>>334619950
>>334619883
Meant around launch, sorry. And now it's much more affordable, but why is the major audience, the normies, gonna drop that much money on a handheld device when they can just pay a fraction of that for a DS or just play shit on their phone?
There's no incentive for the regular person to buy it, which gives Sony no reason to promote the thing, which is what the problem is with the Vita right now.
>>334620169
>I'm a pathetic weeb that likes weebshit: the post
I like weeb things myself every now and then, but come on son.
3DS has children and retarded nostalgia weirdos with bandwagoners. Pokémon and brand can save it despite being shit.
The 3DS had few brand power titles for it that appealed to kids.
I own both a Vita and the original PSP. I desperately want to love the vita but with no CFW and a dead homebrew scene, the device is worthless. The PSP was the golden era of customization, emulators, and unofficial apps. Then Sony locked down the vita to stop piracy, but in the process locked down any chance of making the Vita feel like your own. Instead it feels generic and has very limited functionality.
>>334617943
Idiotic memory card prices.
No Monster Hunter.
Library consists of ports and anime games, lacking a system seller for western markets
Sony only cares about AAA and dropped support once they realized handheld owners aren't interested
>>334620058
>I don't like a franchise so I'll just say it's dead
Honestly, the 3DS is much worst atm. The games have been super shit quality, even from Nintendo. What the fuck happened?
Because I bought a 3DS for MoHun and I don't have enough money to waste on a second handheld.
>>334620120
>thinking pokemon is still well and alive after XY and ORAS
>>334620071
>I would actually buy are the arland+ gust games
Those run at 12fps
>>334620461
Nintendo went to shit a year ago, but that doesn't disregard that the Vita is probably the worst handheld to exist.
>>334620461
DS was also shit iirc. I don't think 3rd party devs ever really completely warmed up to the dualscreen gimmick.
Pokemon + Monster Hunter = auto win
Sony knew this and within a couple of years waved the white flag and put all their support in ps4 (which was a good move). Square-enix followed suit and gave 3ds the kingdom hearts game.
>>334620596
The fuck are you talking about? The DS had a fuckload of great third party games.
>>334619362
I bought my Vita after I was led to believe it could run PS2 classics. Boy, was I disappointed when I found out I couldn't play Okage and DQ8 on the go.
I was convinced it would get hacked too. And I mean truly hacked, not that PSP mode bullshit.
It collected dust for a year but I ended up caving in and buying some "HD" ports.
At this point I don't care if the Vita gets hacked or not. I own every game that I want and I have a PSP for portable emulation. If it hasn't been hacked now, it never will.
>>334620449
I actually love pokemon, it's the only Nintendo series I can stand. I played every single game and still own most of them.
>>334617943
>memory card
>no monster hunter
>made for casuals
No thanks
>>334620276
That's what I like about the Vita. It's so isolated, nobody in their right mind would even touch it unless they like weeb games or vague indie titles nobody knows about.
Life is great.
>>334617943
>no gaems besides PS3 ports/rehashes
It's actually sad because I have owned Vita.
>>334620479
>XY sells 14.5 million
>ORAS sells 11.5 million
Looks I'm not a Pokemon fan, I haven't played it since the Gameboy Color but if you think it's dead you're delusional.
>>334620705
this
a non cancerous community, this is what makes the vita so great now
>>334620705
So you like it because it's obscure and only hip guys with gamer cred like you use it?
>>334620687
>>334620358
This. Everyone is talking about game availability or prices, but this right here is what killed it. The homebrew scene can make or break a device.
>>334620757
>sales=quality
>>334620808
>>334620705
>Actually caring if other people use the same product
So Vita fans are hipsters. That explains a lot.
>>334620757
>sales indicate quality
wew lad
>>334618757
No one bought it because it had no games bar weeb porn simulators with no appeal to anyone looking for actual gameplay or replayability.
>>334620913
I never said anything about quality. You say it's dead and I'm telling you it's not. Dead games don't sell over 10 million copies.
>>334620687
>I bought my Vita after I was led to believe it could run PS2 classics.
Are you fucking retarded?
>>334618757
I think it was they tried to push digital only with the PSP go. They got rid of UMDs while the 3ds was completely BC with the DS. They sold overpriced memory cards. And they decided to partner up with AT&T instead of letting the consumer keep their current Data provider.
>>334617943
memorycard
>>334620835
No, I like it because it has the games I actually want to play.
No Skyrim, no GTA, no Pokemon, none of that bullshit. DR, Zero Escape and good indie titles is all I need.
>>334621047
>And they decided to partner up with AT&T instead of letting the consumer keep their current Data provider.
The 3G model of the Vita was fucking worthless considering you can't use 3G to play actual multiplayer, just upload high scores or communicate with psn. That entire venture was a waste of money.
Homebrew leads to devs buying it, which leads to people buying it for emulators or w/e the devs make, which leads to 3rd party games being made because it has a sizeable market. Once there are good games even more people buy it and it becomes a dominant player.
No homebrew = no market
>>334621035
Not him but considering it was getting ps2 and ps3 ports left and right, it was a fair assumption to make.
>>334621271
Yup. Just look at the PSP as an example.
>>334621127
>No Skyrim, no GTA, no Pokemon, none of that bullshit.
If those games were on the Vita they wouldn't magically make the stuff you're into just disappear.
>>334620687
>>334620876
I swear to god /v/ has zero idea how much effort goes into homebrew, like at all. The PSP was just a lucky effort that it allowed full kernel access from the start, but obviously that lead to piracy and that doesn't earn Sony any software sales at all.
They fixed that problem with the PS3 but that got hacked, the homebrew scene, while still alive and thriving, has no way to enable CFW above 3.55 since there are no true access points. Sony isn't incompetent when it comes to security, and it could take 15 years after the PS3 is long and gone before homebrew for any firmware is available.
Even those from the previous scenes (for PSP and PS3) are trying to work on the Vita, it just takes a while.
>>334621271
To make homebrews you need an exploit, which will inevitably lead to piracy, which lead to devs to shift their focus away from the console, which means even less games
Homebrew = no market
>More expensive than a 3DS
>Absurd fucking memorycard prices
>Doesn't have internal storage, you HAVE to buy one
>No gaems
And to top it all off, the 3DS came with a standard 2gb sd card
They have no one to blame but themselves
>>334621360
Ports are not the same thing bro.
DT2-2 when?!
>>334621035
I used to follow Erik Kain on facebook. He outright said at one point it would be able to play PS2 classics. He may have been sardonically referring to PS Now or the actual ports.
>>334617943
PS Vita was too expensive. Nobody wanted to buy it. The 3ds was too expensive so Nintendo decided to lower down the 3ds price. People started to buy the 3ds.
Sony's biggest mistake was making the PS Vita too expensive. The price was 250$ dollars. The memory cards are also too expensive.
Sony should had made a 170$ device which goes for maybe around Wii level graphics. The 3ds success goes to show a person how people are willing to buy a device which isn't really as powerful.
The PS Vita consisted of mostly ports which is disappointing. It goes to show a person how nothing new and innovating is being made.
Sony thought people wanted console experience on a handheld. The price ending up being the biggest downfall.
>>334621427
Nobody is saying it isn't hard, rather, the fact that an exploit hasn't been found yet is causing a lack of appeal for the device.
>>334621597
Then he is both wrong and retarded.
>>334617943
The main issue I have with it is that the fucking memory cards are expensive as hell. I can get a 32 gb for like, 15 dollars or so and the sony one costs 90 dollars.
>>334621748
Yeah that's some straight up Jewery on Sony's part. There's no reason they couldn't have made the Vita to use normal SD cards.
>>334617943
I was gifted a Vita at one point. Was skeptical, but decided to try it. Found out I had to buy a memory card just to get the thing to do anything.
Put it in a box, never touched it since.
I mean, yeah, I could have bought a hundred memory cards, money wasn't the issue. But there was nothing really drawing me to making this work. I didn't know any Vita games and none of my friends had a Vita so I couldn't take recommendations. I sure as fuck wasn't going to trust the circlejerking review sites. So it had no future with me.
I should probably sell it. Its still in mint condition. Never used.
>>334621463
>>334621614
>homebrew lead to piracy, oh noes
PSP, even with piracy, did a hell of a lot better than the fucking Vita.
>>334620693
>Made for casuals
>>334621657
>The PS Vita consisted of mostly ports
So basically an overpriced Xbox360 analogy made by Sony?
>>334621901
Was looking at gameplay video too much work for you? I mean shit anon just type in Soul Sacrifice gameplay or something.
>>334621868
>There's no reason they couldn't have made the Vita to use normal SD cards.
The proprietary cards have built in security. Sony was paranoid as fuck after all the money they lost on the PSP.
4 days
>>334621901
Trade it for the 2000 series, anon.
The slim version is supposed to have an internal storage, right?
>>334622086
Well I'm glad it worked out for them :^)
>>334621920
Right. People here are making the same mistake Sony made when they ramped up security. Yes you can stop piracy, but stopping some lost sales isn't worth it if it means nobody buys the device at all.
>>334621920
Sony lost a shitload of money on software sales with the PSP. Just saying, "hey the PSP sold more!" means fuck all if you're trying to compare the potential profit made from both devices.
>>334622145
1GB.
And it's disabled if you insert a memory card.
The western games they made for it were fucking garbage
Black Ops was garbage
Assassin's Creed was garbage
Resistance was garbage
Need for Speed was unacceptable
Borderlands was a joke
Uncharted was meh
Killzone was alright
How did they expect to build a mainstream audience when their first taste of the vita is awful?
>>334622198
>Yes you can stop piracy, but stopping some lost sales isn't worth it if it means nobody buys the device at all.
People didn't buy it because of lack of homebrew, they skipped buying it because it had very few games.
I own a PSP, PSPgo, and 60-some games for them (not counting 30-some PSOne classics) so I'd naturally be in line for a Vita right...?
Nah. There's not even a single handful of games on the system I'd want to play. Maybe if I didn't own a PS3/PS4/PC...? But I do and thus I have no need of lesser versions.
Plus coming off the PSPgo the design of the system fucking sucks. And no built-in memory. And of course ye olde proprietary memory cards. Whole things just a dud to me.
>>334621920
Because everyone and their grandmothers bought it for emulators and piracy. Less and less games started to be localized/developed, but the console still sold like hotcakes because almost no one cared anymore about its titles
>tfw still a little less than two months until Odin Sphere
>>334621920
Because PSP had fucking monster hunter and heavy square-enix support, devs saw it as a safe bet.
With no support from either all you're left with is monster hunter knock offs to fill in the hole and niche devs to feed off on the Persona/Disgaea audience.
>>334617943
PlayStation Vita constituted of ports which is disappointed. It goes to show a person nothing new is being made.
I recall a PlayStation executive said that too many ps3 ports onto ps4 can be a negative thing. There is nothing new being made onto the console.
It appears the sony executive should had followed his own advice and made new games for PS Vita instead of ports.
What they should had done is made the PS vita cheap for 170 dollars. Make the memory cards cheap too. 170$ handheld console will get a person Wii level graphics.
It's so baffling to me how the PS vita could had been a success if they hadn't screwed up by making Vita too expensive.
>>334622319
Tearaway was outstanding.
>>334622240
>1GB internal storage
HAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Wheeze...wheeze...
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>334620913
>Neckbeards on /v/ are more important than sales.
The memory cards were the biggest issue for me. Like if you wanted a 64gb vita card, they are STILL $100, whereas any other ones range from $25-40. Shouldn't HAVE to buy something more expensive than a game to save your games in the first place
>>334622227
See here: http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/Software/Global/
PSP: 302 Million software sales
Vita: 57 Million software sales
The PSP, even with piracy, undoubtedly did vastly better.
>>334619534
They were never going to make money via software sales from them in the first place.
>>334622535
And to attribute that to homebrew as opposed to shit like Monster Hunter and actual third party support is retarded.
>>334622465
But Tearaway is not an entry in an established mainstream franchise. Normies have never heard of it.
>>334622529
>Like if you wanted a 64gb vita card, they are STILL $100
You can find one for between $70-80. Not much better but hey at least you saved $20.
>>334622529
>$250 handheld
>$100 memory card
No wonder Vita is such an utter failure.
>>334622654
Money from software sales is always the goal. The console and portable market wouldn't exist if that were the case.
>>334622658
Homebrew led to people buying it. Since a ton of people owned it, devs saw it as a safe bet. Thus the large library. I pirated games, but I also bought a lot of games. Without homebrew, I would have bought 0 games.
>>334622696
Just saying m8. It was a great game.
Even as a weeb the Vita sucked.
It had some great games but most were just PS3 ports.
can a console really have good graphics
if it has no games
>>334622827
Thanks for the anecdotal evidence friend.
>>334622984
It can, see the PS4.
The more important question is this. Why did it succeed in Japan but not America?
>>334622752
You have a horrible lack of PSone games, friend.
>>334618241
>>334619163
>liking a shit game
>buying a system for one game
>>334622784
I mean, you could cheap out with a smaller memory card, but good luck having any digital titles on a 8gb...that still costs $23 now
>>334619546
You got that backwards. Software sales were low in Japan compared to other places (relative to hardware sales of course). Check VGChartz and compare the hardware and software side to see
Most of the games on it were on other formats and better on those other formats e.g. Dragon's crown.
The memory cards and lack of MH didn't help.
>mfw we got ever get a GTA for vita
This killed the loli
literally nogaems
but unlike the PS4, people didn't buy it when it had nogaems
then it got games but no one was there to buy them
>>334623130
I actually have a strict policy of deleting any PS1 game I finish and make sure to copy the save onto the PS3 in case I ever want to replay them.
>>334617943
Because it was worse in nearly every possible way than the PSP, to say nothing of it being worse than the 3DS.
>do you want to have thousands of free good games or spend and extra 100 dollars on a memory card so you can play shitty console ports and pedo games fampai?
>>334623113
Did it succeed in Japan?
>>334623135
>implying that didn't sell millions of PS4s
>>334623042
Sure, but the numbers definitely show the PSP was not suffering from software sales like the Vita currently is. The reason is obviously up for debate. Some may think it was because of homebrew, others for certain titles like monster hunter.
>>334622319
Sony was ignorant at the time, they thought they could tric...I mean appeal to their audience with big budget series on a portable system marketed as a "hd system on the go".
What they fail to realize was that their audience wasn't stupid and the main appeal to these big budget games came from the fact that you could experience it at home with living/family room tv/speaker setups and play them with a stable internet connection.
>>334623294
Forgot to mention but I do this to save space in any way I can without compromising vita games since it's more of a hassle to preserve their saves due to them being tied to install files.
>>334623356
Yes, actually. Just as the PSP succeeded in Japan while it died in the west.
The nips really hate consoles these days, the uptake of the PS4 is pretty terrible in Japan.
>>334617943
I like the vita being a niche machine, kinda like the Saturn
The memory card sucks shit tho
>>334623135
When it's a game that I know before going into it I'll get at least 2k hours out of it, it's worth the price (to me) of 200 10 hour games. Buying a console+1 game is a steal to me for that much value.
>>334619595
Ironic considering the "50 million strong!" or whatever the PS4 base is now.
I wonder how long they'll be able to keep it up without crashing and burning.
>>334623494
>the uptake of the PS4 is pretty terrible in Japan.
It's slowly getting there, lately most vita/ps4 games sell 1:1 over there first week.
>>334623135
>good game when you have it
>shit game when you don't
Ebin. Sure feels good to be an idort.
In reality, the reason the Vita failed was because of the expensive memory cards. If you want a useful one, it'll cost you close to $100. Buying the system, a memory card, and a few games can run you nearly $400 just to start.
>>334623579
and that huge player base barely bought bloodborne. Why should Sony invest in games when it's obvious their fanbase doesn't want it?
No CFW for the vita
overpriced memcards
Also handhelds as a whole are in a decline. The 3DS is still under the Gameboy Advance numbers, and the GBA had a short shelf life
Came out at the wrong time. Same as 3DS.
Coupled with the fact that in 2012 the smartphone market had already well kicked off, Sony still had the problem of trying to make a handheld like a home console. Meaning that the focus of a handheld should be games that work on a handheld and not trying to make console shit work on handhelds.
Mistake on PSP same mistake on Vita. Nintendo was able to keep the 3DS going because it's Nintendo duh. But even the 3DS might not do DS numbers. Both are affected by the fact that the smartphone market came crashing in but Nintendo still did what Nintendo does in regards to handhelds.
>>334617943
Sony made a perfect console for AA games in an era where only Indiecrap and AAA are heavily marketed.. due to Sony themselves.
They literally asked for it. They should have advertised those games at E3, PSX, Gamescom even if they don't have the best graphixxxx and even if they don't pander to normalfags. They made some effort lately but it was too late.
Also the console was a bit too powerful and can output graphics good enough for the game to looks good on a TV screen, which killed the system's exclusives. What's the point for Vita devs to keep their games Vita exclusive when they look perfectly fine running in HD on PS4?
Look at the 3DS. 3DS games looks so bad they can't port them the consoles easily, which make the game actual exclusives. It's THE ONLY REASON they don't barely ever port 3DS games
I'll give vita a chance once I'm able to pimp it out like my old PSP: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4qDeOEm3f3U
>>334623680
>>334623851
>>334623863
These.
The memory card prices were bad enough, but the market is shrinking because of smartphones. Not all people like smart phone games, so there's still a market for handhelds, but there's no room for healthy competition anymore. Either the 3DS or PSV had to die, and Sony just made far too many mistakes.
>>334623863
Fuck smartphones and the casual market.
I don't care if you play Candy Crush or Clash of Clans or whatever, but when it ruins the handheld market, well, that's just retarded.
I really didn't think Smartphones would have this much of an impact on consoles.
>>334624239
They're not even full games. Even the games that are full games are just really shitty ports from the 16-bit era.
>>334624239
Same here. Only fun things to play on phones are emulators with controllers. I've yet to see actual good games that are native to a mobile OS.
>>334619102
>>334619118
3DS 779 games
Vita 1,295 games
>>334624036
man the psp was dope
>>334624473
All the Rayman games.
Checkmate atheists.
>>334624541
So... you can't read? 1200 games mean nothing if they're only selling to the same small group of people and not reaching out to other demographics who might want to buy the handheld.
>>334624723
Are there Rayman games made specifically for smartphones?
>>334624036
yesssssssssss
>>334624826
yes
>>334624886
And it's enjoyable? Like, handheld game level good?
>>334624886
And they're not ports or Rabbids games? And no Ubiscam bullshit?
>>334624964
yes
it's pretty much like origins/legends, if you enjoyed those
the only problem is that it's on mobile
I bought a Vita from Walmart to play Persona 4 with the intention of returning it when I beat the game. It turns out Walmart has a 14 day return policy for gaming consoles/handhelds whereas I thought it was the standard 30 that most other stores have. I spent $250 to replay Persona 4.
>>334625084
Why would you pay so much just to play a shit game that you already played?
>>334625084
Play Soul Sacrifice Delta, Killzone Mercenary and Muramasa Rebirth + DLC
>>334617943
>memory card prices
>Pretty much anything that's vita exclusive is getting a PC port
You tell me anon. Sold mine after CH ported all the nep games to PC
>>334625270
Kill yourself.
>>334617943
It's because it was the opposite of the psp. Have you seen all the cool shit a psp can do?
>>334625084
dude, I just got a vita and it's a fucking cornucopia of good games. keep it.
>>334625270
>>Pretty much anything that's vita exclusive is getting a PC port
That's a result of the Vita failing, not a reason it failed.
>hack 3DS
>don't want to play it anymore
>hack PSP
>don't want to use it anymore
>don't hack/homebrew Vita
>play it most often
I got my moneys worth.
>>334625324
You first faggot
>>334625546
You are like a wet dream for Sony. Too bad you're the only one
>>334625546
Funny. I hacked my PSP and still haven't put it down.
Let me guess. You're one of those "no-emu" fags.
>>334625270
Didn't go after the LE's?
>>334624826
>>334624964
>>334624983
I haven't played the games, but from the videos, it's a runner kind of game, it's basically Legends/Origins engine, Rayman is always running, and you touch the screen to jump, and I guess you can also helicopter in it, and you must time shit right to get lums and stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER0PouRPHYk
>>334625728
I enjoy the idea of having access to any game whenever I want, that's the entire reason I even hacked them. But, then I start to horde tons of games and I never finish one because I want to jump onto the next one. When I have to buy, I'm sort of "forced" to play it and beat it, thus investing me more into finishing that game before all else.
It's probably my fault for hording anyways, but I can't resist.
>>334617943
The expensive ass memory cards was the issue for me. Plus no must have games and could not emulate PS2 games.
Only game it had that I was sort of interested in was Persona 4 and Im not really that into Persona games.
>>334622129
Localization never
>>334625907
I love the convenience of storing all my games on one memory card.
I too have the issue of hoarding games, but the bigger issue is whether or not I like the game enough to keep it on my memory card after I beat it.
Different strokes I guess.
>>334622129
game?
>>334617943
Turns out people don't really care about having a portable console experience with high end hardware and are much more concerned with the price and games.
Vita games cost too much to develop, the specs combined with proprietary memory cards made it both expensive to develop for and to buy and use. So all you see now are VNs and weebshit because it's cheap and sells well in Japan.
Sony tried to push the portable console experience again and it failed again. You'd think they'd have learned from the PSP and watching Nintendo dominate for two decades. Portables need to be affordable and have fun games, not be a showcase for tech.
>>334625859
Doesn't look very good to me but that's just because I don't cafe for platformers. When I think of handheld level good, I don't think of platformers. I think of persona 4 or something like that.
>>334626202
>not be a showcase for tech
Would you rather the Vita have hardware as shitty as the 3DS then? Are you fucking kidding me?
>>334626160
>>334625821
I still have my Victory LE, but I didn't really want any others. I was contemplating the Unleashed LE but I remember it only came with the box and a shitty towel or daki. Really wanted an artbook for it
>>334626226
Yeah smartphones are the home to those kind of games, which are very shallow and don't really cater to the gamer community. I certainly wouldn't call them real games
>>334626297
Somewhere in between is better. Then you can sell the unit at an honest price and still have acceptable performance.
>too expensive at the time (even the 3DS had a rough launch)
>Better specs meant more dev time needed to make a game look good
>literally nogames for typical worldwide audience
>some serious shovelware and cash-ins towards the beginning of its life
>very little first party support
>memory cards made the system more expensive
>Features that add to the cost and not the experience (Back touchpad, 3G, etc.)
>No killer app
gee, I don't know, why DIDN'T the vita succeed?
I heard the 64GB card has a corruption problem. This true?
>>334626297
>Would you rather have a financially successful platform? Are you fucking kidding me?
>>334626456
I rather have the Vita in it's current state than risk it having shittier specs.
>>334626415
There wouldn't be much to the artbook considering there's no CGs in the game. There's an OST at least.
I have both platforms and the 3DS is literally a dedicated Monster hunter platform at this point. The Vita has so many awesome jRPGs and even some good Western and indie titles. Makes me sad that Sony is ditching it.
>>334626094
I thought the same for Gal Gun 2 but that's getting localized.
>>334626202
I agree with most of what you said but you can't say Vita games cost too much to develop then contradict yourself in the next sentence by saying that weebshit is on Vita because it's cheap to make.
>>334626361
Is it an improvement over the 1st one?
>>334621414
If those game were on the system vita owners will stop pretending to be weaboos tofeel better about their purchase and play those games instead.
>>334626749
Fuck off
>>334626782
His point is that weebshit is the only thing that is profitable to make on the Vita.
>>334626864
why?
>>334626864
>disregarding honest opinions
Great thread m8
>>334626864
He's objectively right
>>334617943
Weird gimmicky memory cards. Weird gimmicky charger. Weird gimmicky game format. You aren't fucking apple.
Is there any way to get to PS1/PSP emulation freely with the latest software?
Memory Cards
Shit first party software
No exploit like the PSP
There was great western titles for it at launch, play the ports of SFxT and UMvC3
>>334627068
>Latest software
Don't think so, I'm on 3.52 and I can do it though.
>>334627013
>it's okay when apple does it
Fuck this stupid board.
>>334617943
Because the nip sararimen in charge of Sony have not had their fingers on the industry's pulse since the very early 2000s. Their success in the console market has been due to pure luck and Microsoft fucking up big time with the Bone.
>>334627013
>weird mimicky charger
>a cable that you can buy for 2 euros in any store
>>334622924
Not really.
>>334624017
So you're telling me that in order to make a good handheld, the graphics have to purposely be shit?
>>334627068
I believe so, just making a hacked PSP in the vita's ePSP mode. But why do all that when you can just use an actual PSP? The vita itself isn't hacked, so you can't run emulators that take advantage of the improved vita hardware.
>>334625084
Are people really this much of a faggot? Seriously.
>>334627187
Anon is a Vita 1000 fag.
>>334627375
It's still pretty much accessible, even necessary if you have a PS3
Because it doesnt have Mario pokemon monsterhunter animal zelds crossing gta 5 etc. Literally million sellers
>>334626202
You do realize despite your assumption of 'being too expensive to develop for', it still recieves more support that isnt just VNs, correct?
Seriously, part of the reason it has a nad rep is because people like you make shit up.
>>334617943
no good new puzzle games, you can't pocket it since it could ruin the sticks, poor battery life, not durable if dropped, and proprietary memory cards on a handheld are a terrible idea because its another thing for you to potentially lose. It forgot all the basics for being a handheld. Also, it was not supported as well as the psp was by large companies. The PSP had interesting new versions of classic games like bubble bobble, ghouls and ghousts, and megaman that PSV just didn't.
>>334626549
Why would the financial success matter to the consumer? It certainly hasnt deterred game releases.
>>334627326
To make it relevant and sell, yeah.
It's really obvious Sony didn't expect PS4/Vita multiplateform title to ever happen
>>334626909
Not everything has to be super high budget like Killzone though. Western devs don't care for handhelds and most of the midsized studios died in the PS2 days. That's why we're left with indie ports and Japanese games.
>>334627589
Why the fuck are people literally making up fake 'facts'?
You can easily pocket it, it has better battery life than all 3DS models, it quite literally did great on the drop test.
It is supported by large companies, and to this day, still gets higher budget releases than the 3DS from them.
>>334627589
someone already got micro sd cards working as substitute memory cards though...
>>334627336
Well, can't bother to pay the 30 bucks a PSP would cost me. Also, you're underestimating how good the Vita is in terms of comfortability. The screen, even if 2000, is really really good.
But lately I've been thinking about getting a GO. Is the screen as bad as they made out to be at launch?
>>334627892
if you buy a Go used, expect the previous owner to have fucked up the screen
better to buy it new
>>334620169
>fun sweet rhythm games
theatrhythm
>weeb trash
p diva
>>334626858
Not really
They fixed the floaty shooting, added a side weapon but not much else in the gameplay.
The did more lewds though.
https://youtu.be/pzXu6q-bn-w
>>334627710
That's fucking insane.
>>334628130
Thearhythm is shit.
Will toukiden 2 be the mh killer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg5BagavIwk
>>334628472
No, call of duty of japan is literally just a brand riding franchise now. Hopefully X was the last on that piece of shit console so it stops looking and playing like shit, and they start bringing new shit to the table.
