What the hell went so horribly wrong?
former bungie devs
>>334565912
Bethesda.
>mfw it's single player is so good everyone shuts up about the shit multiplayer
when microsoft bought bungie and had them put halo on the xbawks
>>334568517
I doubt many people will even play it after how boring the betas were.
>>334568517
Better be right or I'm finding a new fucking hobby. How ID Software can possibly botch Doom again is depressing.
Oh and I know there are people who will defend Doom 3 but come on that game was a boring tech demo.
its not that bad. bit disappointing there's loadouts but the multi is fun. guns just need a bit of a buff like the plasma rifle and assault rifle and itll be good
>>334565912
It plays like shit.
>>334568918
i enjoyed Doom 64 and doom 3 as fun experiments. The expansion for 3 was actually pretty legit though
Im not really expecting much from 4 though. I feel pretty confident the multi is going to be the highlight and boy I don't think that's a good thing.
even if it was decent you shouldn't go near it because they're going to force a 40 dollar season pass.
Convince me not to get it for the single player.
(I fucking hated TNO. If the player character shuts the fuck up and there are less faggy characters, constant cutscenes and scripted encounters than in TNO things are looking up for D44M.)
>>334565912
Consoles and you know it's true
>>334565912
It's yet another modernized reboot of a classic franchise. It was slated to be mediocre from day one.
>>334569298
I kind of doubt its single player will be as good as TNO's regardless of your complaints
>being this triggered by a beta
cute
>>334569590
>Shilling a shitty game this hard
wew
>>334569590
They call it a beta, but it's really a demo.
Nothing.
It's just angry little people crying about a small portion of the game and not knowing anything about the classic dooms.
>>334569483
It will be good.
Also, people are forgetting about snapmap and other shit.
https://youtu.be/ljpBwguIqos?t=10m1s
>>334568918
>How ID Software can possibly botch Doom
No one is left from 90's id, its been that way since before 3. Carmack doesn't count because he has fuckall to do with actual game design.
>>334570418
>still shilling for snapmap
>>334570857
>Still living and thinking like an homo erectus
I thought you were extinct
>>334568517
What single player shooter was completely different from it's multiplayer?
>>334565912
>no less than 3 threads about doom
>"what the hell went so horribly wrong"
I've been lurking enough to know that anything 4chinners hate is gonna get instantly popular. You sad little faggots who are you trying to fool? Who are you trying to convince? LOL LMAO
>>334571343
don't mind >334570857 hes gonna be that fat kid at the midnight launch with this mom. kek
>>334565912
it was made for consoles
they even showcased it with a fucking gamepad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIflXFMdhiY
>PC gamurs only play hat and purple knife simulator
>Other PC shooters sell like shit
>PC gamurs still complain when their franchises get turned into console shooters
>>334570418
What the heck is this guy even talking about
>>334565912
this
https://twitter.com/AnXieGames/status/721449869756526592
>>334568849
The controls and gameplay mechanics are just fine. It's the multiplayer that's boring as shit.
>>334573857
>2 weapon slots
>autoaim BFG
>just fine
>>334573818
>>334569590
>BUT ITS A BETA
>>334565912
What the hell went so horribly wrong with THIS game's multiplayer?
>>334570776
This.
Even doom 3 is better than this
Performance is utter garbage. Also software cursor? What the FUCK?
>>334574279
And THIS one, not even good by the low standards set by its series?
And what about... Oh, I'm starting to see a pattern.
Why does everyone hate the multiplayer? I forgot the beta went public so haven't checked it out.
hello bois
>>334574506
It's fucking shit because Autism92 always know when and where armour, weapons and health will spawn. And there's no indication for the player so you're forced to learn it by memorising the maps.
Fuck this game it's just shit.
>>334573762
>not knowing that all modern games are made for consoles
>>334574648
Reason I say "Autism92" is because it's some virgin NEET oldfag that doesn't do anything useful with his life and who has no life.
>>334574648
>there's no indication for the player so you're forced to learn it by memorising the maps
Like... you know... in the glory days of arena FPS? Like everything that /v/ normally would hold to high standards?
>>334574721
>Someone is better than you
>'Get a life loser!'
Wew lad.
>>334574785
/v/ never actually played those they just give it mindless lip service.
>>334565912
consolisation
They put Certain Affinity in charge of multiplayer
>>334569313
I'll happily buy console version if that means mustards get fucked over.
>>334573954
2 weapons is a multiplayer thing. And how is the BFG in the original Doom not autoaim? The main projectile isn't what people use the gun for. It's the secondary ones that spread out when it hits.
What I mean is that the beta shows you that the game itself isn't broken. Just the multiplayer.
>>334573816
>we want brutal doom audience
>>334570418
MUH FUCKING DICK
God damn I am so hype for this shit!
The music is so fucking right though. Goddamn.
>>334575376
Yeah. It reminds me of the NIИ soundtrack of Quake 1 a little bit.
>>334574648
Perhaps a giant glowing arrow at the top of the screen would help.
>>334575001
o i am laffin
Pcucks BTFO again!
>>334575430
>NIИ
Are you a wizard?
Also yeah, that's why it's perfect. A lot of the guitar is straight up aping trent's style, love it.
>>334574648
Those hack modules show where those are when you respawn, where AND when.
Did you even play more than 1 game?
>>334575463
>>334575103
>when a game is consolized it's worsened by it and hurts the pc version
>when a game is made with pc in mind it's generally an improvement and benefits both versions
really says a lot about consoles
>>334575627
lmao how fucking hard did you try to make that webm work
sad as shit m8 go fuck some women and fix ur perspective
Just how hard is it to find a Hexen iwad?
Or the original wads in general?
All the links to wad packs are dead.
>current year
>expecting anything at all to go right
C'mon.
>>334565912
Loadout nonsense
>>334575927
#betatip indeed
>>334575863
That's because your trying to play a 20 year old game with shitty mods some tiny obscure community made way back when. No one gives a fuck about them except the nostalgia fags here on /v/.
can we all agree that games who load up all the studio logos and shit EVERY FUCKING TIME you start it are cancer?
>>334575843
>>334576153
ok, we can do that if you want.
>Unreal Tournament 2004 is cancer
>Quake 3 is cancer
>>334576117
Go be an edgy teen somewhere else.
>>334576068
>hide behind string
>take no damage
>>334576153
Oh you mean like every game ever?
>>334576117
>nostalgia fags here on /v/
lol
this board is is mostly inhabited by mid to late 90's born casuals, or dudebros and nongamers that came in with the Wii/360/PS3 generation and think they have a say while all sucking at games as much as they do. modern /v/ is that kid that stormed into his brothers room, demanded to play his games, then whined and told his mom like a snot bubbling little cunt when he was told no. /v/ is the timeout generation of kids that got sent to their rooms to play videogames as a timeout instead of being beaten like they should have.
>>334575863https://kat.cr/doom-heretic-hexen-wads-t1352733.html
>>334573816
Translator's note: Comment reads "Remove weeb"
>>334572797
Destiny. Not exactly different, but Destiny mechanics work great in SP but awful in MP.
That said, Doom SP will be total shit.
>>334565912
people keep saying it's made for consoles but I've played it on PS4 and it plays horribly. It's also far worse than the latest COD which people also compare it to. COD have better loadouts. COD has guns that actually sound loud and noise in their maps. In COD you can run faster in this game. Comparing this to that is a great disservice to how good Black Ops III is. That's a good game. This is shit.
>>334576362
thank you my friend
>>334565912
>Loadouts, revenant, fucked up damage models, 2 weapons.
Yeah no thank you
>general consensus about the game is that it's mediocre
>suddenly tons of posts defending the game
>all using the same rhetoric to attempt shutting up the opposition
And people said there are no marketers here.
>>334576467
>I've played it on PS4 and it plays horribly
I read it was 60fps on consoles in a review. That bullshit?
>>334572797
Quake 4
RTCW
Oh look, two id games with outsourced multiplayer modes.
90s never coming back guys, doesnt matter what they do, they'll never top them and you will never be happy with anything they make. its the past
>>334576584
not framerate but movements. They're so sluggish. I was expecting something more along the speed of Half Life. People assume it's made for joystick. It's not really well optimised for that either. Movement is poor.
>>334576707
WHO WANTU SUM WANG?
>>334576707
RIP Duke, never going to get a worthwhile multiplayer game with a billion crazy gadgets ever again ;_;
>>334576070
>>334576769
>Movement is poor
I figured what was missing is the momentum you had in older Doom games (i.e. move in one direction, stop input, character continues to slow down but is still moving) which makes it feel sluggish.
Also, it's ironic that they have a "bunny hopper" achievement when you actually can't bunny hop properly.
>>334577171
well I haven't played the original DOOM or DOOM 2 or even 3 and I think the movement is slow. I thought it was just people getting nitpicky but it really is frustrating not being able to go faster than your character is able to.
>>334575627
I miss that cartoon
>>334575843
Great argument.
>>334575927
>betatip
>>334576570
You would think they would at least try to be a bit different from each other but no.
>>334577297
Movement in Doom 3 was also shit.
I guess the speed you have with haste should be the default.
>>334574279
It was completely broken and took way too long to fix, that's all.
>>334568517
Who cares about single player?
>>334565912
Nothing?
It is fun as fuck imo.
I have been having a blast in the beta during the past few days. The movement and mobility are just right, as are the weapons. The only real issue I have is the fact that Revenant's attacks are so powerful, that they pretty much instagib anyone they hit.
>>334565912
Nothing, well, maybe business model. It's Doom 3 with the lights on.
People were expecting Quake 3 or something for some reason and a lot of people trying to convince others that this game is Doom 1,2 or Quake1,3 level fast. While it's not. Probably because most people discussing this game are underage.
>>334569298
The fuck you talking about? The character barely says anything. Only shit he says is some noire one-liners and cursing at himself when he fails something.
>>334578814
I know right. I mean doom was always about the multiplayer wasn't it. kys
Doom was never good
there, I said it
>>334565912
terrible mouse input (vsync is off too)
>>334573857
>>334568918
>>334572797
>>334578814
>All these idiots judging a single-player focused franchise cause of the multiplayer
>The multiplayer was that was probably done just to meet its quota
Literally the multiplayer is a couple of players thrown together in arena with one gimmick and told to kill eachother. You can't have it any more watered down than that.
>>334579616
I thought it was just me.
Hopefully single player will redeem it.
>>334579409
It was good for its time and literally no fps could compete with it. If you didn't like doom than there was a good chance you just hated the genre at the time.
Not that I expect a underage faggot to know
>>334579626
It's going to have a bunch of gamemodes from Quake Live on release. It's like id took Certain Affinity, pointed them towards Quake Live and told them "Make this, but for console players".
>>334578814
Who cares about multiplayer? No seriously, it's tacked on.
>>334580273
>gamemodes from Quake Live
These modes have been done to death and can work on any FPS. It is not special. Also it is way too damn slowpaced to be a quake clone.
Like I said, they made the multiplayer just so it could have a multiplayer. It is tacked and soulless.
>>334575927
Whoa, no regen? Hardcore!
>>334580716
KYS
>>334580558
CA, Harvester and Freezetag are all from either Q3 or Q3TA and they're not common gamemodes so you're just deluding yourself if you think that it's an accident. Not disagreeing that MP is tacked on, but it's pretty clear the goal for Certain Affinity was adapting Quake for consoles given all the gamemodes, half of the weapons and a large chunk of the map design philosophy is identical.
Hasn't this title been laying around for years? So long ago that Halo was still actually 'the shit' back then... so...
I'd guess this Doom is some old project that they've thrown out as an open Beta to see if anyone would pay for it.
It's good to see the reception a blatant rip off of a dated title is getting. Maybe they'll put some actual work into it if they intend to actually go full release
>>334580960
These names are just for nostalgia fluff (and have been renamed in many different other multiplayer FPS games, Harvester was literally stealing tags off soldiers in Cod) than actual viable gamemodes, I highly doubt that nay balance was really put into it. Also their map design philosophy is not a t all identical. There are way too little jump spots and the movement (which is probably the most important shit about that game) is still too slow. FFS rocket jumping makes you take way too damage to be actually viable. There is no way that this is at all "quake for consoles", that is just stupid.
>mfw retards said wolfenstein reboot would be shit
>mfw it was actually one of the best FPS game of recent times
>mfw people are saying the doom reboot will be shit
When will people learn? Even the open beta isfun
>>334572797
Battlefield 3 and 4
>>334565912
Is there anyway to tweak this game? Admittedly, my rig isn't quite up to snuff, where is the god damned config file?
>>334582127
All the differences can be explained away as being concessions made so that console players can enjoy it.
Loadouts -> weapon switching is one button to avoid players having to cycle weapons during matches, console players can now combo
Maps aren't made for strafe jump/strafe jump isn't in -> Quake's original mapsets weren't made for it to begin with (The devs didn't use sj) and console players would have difficulty bunnyhopping with controllers
Movement is slow-ish (it feels around UT4 levels at 110 FOV) -> Console players can't track properly with controllers, everyone moving at breakneck speed all the time would make them impossible to hit
No rocket jumping -> Another method of movement that takes quick, precise movements to use well. Instead, now you have double jump and mantling.
Also, no thought was put into balance for said gamemodes in Quake outside of CA which was made to be its comp team mode. They're party modes that Quake basically invented at the time.
>>334576707
i dunno man i was playing rb6 seige and it felt pretty 90's
No regen
Actually ecourages tactics and is unplayable without them
Great maps, large and detailed
runs pretty good on my toaster 770 gpu
Looks amazing but very clean visuals, need a bigger screen but 25.5 1200p looks great
no retarded cod style crap loadouts are realistic and gunplay is the best ive seen in years, reminds me of graw2 on pc
ai is amazing
netcode decent tickrate seems high
dynamic destruction is fairly realistic not Bad Company 2 or Guerilla levels of silly but also not as shit as say BF3/4
Gonna buy it tomorrow and a nice new gpu soon.
June cant come soon enough.
Rocket league is very 90's reminds me of mashed crossed with rollcage.
Evey other game ive tried lately was SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIET
>>334582924
>weapon switching is one button to avoid players having to cycle weapons during matches, console players can now combo
>
Literally almost every FPS game for console has that. COD has that. Nothing special, just standards.
> Quake's original mapsets weren't made for it to begin
>Also, no thought was put into balance for said gamemodes in Quake outside of CA which was made to be its comp team mode. They're party modes that Quake basically invented at the time.
If they understand how quake works now, than why go to the original maps, that never had any of the mechanics in mind, as their template? That is quite a stretch you are going for. They could use refined maps that have been tested through the quake community for years.
>Console players can't track properly with controllers, everyone moving at breakneck speed all the time would make them impossible to hit
Yet that is the point of quake, fast movement precise hits.
>No rocket jumping -> Another method of movement that takes quick, precise movements to use well. Instead, now you have double jump and mantling.
Rocket Jumping does not take that fast of a movement to do.
I highly doubt this will be anything like quake. You are listing what quake "originally did". Why would they would they put original quake material in it instead of refined mechanics when it had a strong scene for around 10 years and arguably still going.
>>334579626
I know that. I said that the things that matter, controls and game mechanics, are just fine. I don't like multiplayer shooters, and Doom is no exception. I tried the beta to find out if the game is actually playable, and it clearly is. The multiplayer is shit, but I don't care because I'm not the target audience.
>>334583532
Because they have to push every mechanic through the filter of being easy to play with one input device that is horrible for precision in shooters. Can you read? Do you really think it's a coincidence that they're calling the game an Arena Shooter while lifting so many elements from it straight out of Quake?
>>334583718
If the game's elements are shit because of consoles, it's not an arena shooter. It's a console shooter.
>>334583718
By making the gameplay what originally quake was before it was refined and understood in later installments? Yeah ok... First off that is wrong is the point I was getting to if you could not understand. Some of the maps are literally one person walkways so I even am doubting if you know the maps listed in doom multiplayer. I really don't care if it is called an Arena shooter, cause it is not.
You said that they were trying to make quake for consoles which I think is retarded. the only reason they are even lifting game mode names (which I remind you have been done in alot of FPS games already) cause of their strong ID brand and that is it There is no balancing done to them. It is just tacted on and soulless.
>>334565912
>What the hell went so horribly wrong?
Certain Affinity developed the multiplayer.
>>334584249
>it's not an arena shooter. It's a console shooter.
Not disagreeing with that at all, nor am I trying to call it an arena shooter.
>>334584340
It can be "Tacked on and soulless" at the same time as being the obvious result of a company with no experience with Quake or any id franchise at all being given the design brief of adapting it to Consoles.
>>334574279
Don't even talk about that fucking disgrace
>>334565912
consoles
I was thinking the chainsaw would be working with the mouse and you can cut where you want and not some quicktime event, I was just thinking for a second that we are in 2016 and move forward, guess not lmao
>>334574279
the people who made multiplayer for this also made multiplayer for doom
>>334584671
>working with the mouse
Is a console game, Anon.
>>334584671
Yeah that was my thought too when I saw the chainsaw in the video. I'm not a fan of the melee animations, why can't they just gib like everything else?
I remember them good ol' times playing UT and gibbing enemies with the impact hammer. Felt good man.
>>334584671
Didn't Shadow Warrior accomplish this in 2013?
Why do console players have so much, much lower standards of quality than intelligent people?
>>334584871
if we're talking about first person games yeah
>>334579686
Unless of course, back then you had a Mac of which you could play DoomButBetter
>>334585019
Are you one of those intelligent people?
>>334584671
>>334584814
Really, since they're so keen on tacking on rpg perks they could at least have one that makes it so your chainsaw/melee kills are near instant so it's either just slashing them with it and gibbing in the direction of the swipe, or punching them so hard they gib/the targeted limb flies off. There's no way they don't realize that glory kills are going to get old after a while.
wtf is wrong with you.
It's fun.
It's not 1993 anymore.
It's not Quake 3, we have Quake 3 for that.
It's fucking Doom 2016, if you don't like it, don't play it.
>>334585368
When I played serious sam 3, oneshotting with that melee attack by pressing E was cool for the first few times, but when a horde of monsters runs and me and I know they can't kill me because I mash E it's getting really boring
>>334585732
>if you don't like it, don't play it.
I'm sure many many people plan to do that.
it's a console port that is ugly as fuck and performs on medium tier hardware so poorly that it's sad
it will get no support on pc, im not going to get it
>>334585732
This. What else could they have done to make it any more 'like Doom'? /v/ is acting like this is some kind of Tomb Raider situation where they made the Doom Marine a PTSD-riddled crying machine.
He silently murders literally anything that is not him. If that isn't Doom, what the hell is?
>>334585941
I can assure you among casual gamers it's going to do phenomenal, and that'll include me, because all I fucking want to do is slaughter demons without a care in the world
>>334585732
>>334586035
time for you to return to reddit
>>334586072
That is a very easy response, but until you can actually tell me what is wrong with this game in terms of mechanics or theme, I'm going to assume you don't like it because it was made this year and isn't a Steam fetal access/kickstarter ARMA clone abortion.
game is good
>mfw when playing
Nothing, it reminds me Quake 3 Arena. 10/10
This game looks so fucking bad. It is like it was made for 15 year old ADHD dude bros.
>>334586215
I bet you are literally a nigger
>>334586501
that's a nice impression of a paid shill journalist you made there anon. I'm glad nobody from /v/ actually thinks that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT-It3eKmTQ
I'm gonna buy it just to make you all die a little bit more inside
>>334583413
Game looks and plays like cal of duty you fucking shill.
I'm really conflicted, I actually like the game, if it wasn't called DOOM I would really love it, however this is too fucking slow for a DOOM game. As in as far as generic FPS games go I really like it, but as a classic arena shooter it's pretty subpar, and only two fucking weapons slots goddamn.
Shame about the fucking RPG elements and weapon drops and items and shit, if all that stuff was purely cosmetic I wouldn't mind as much, but so far I've unlocked my main alt weapon at level 10, so lvl1 players are going to be fucked over.
tl;dr it's not a bad cod shooter but it's a terrible arena shooter, they aimed for a compromise and pleased no one
>>334586879
you have to be 18 to both buy the game and post on this website
>>334586879
Nobody cares.
Fool and his money etc
Console inferior input that cripples the movement speed
>>334579626
>All these idiots judging a single-player focused franchise
Not only did Doom give birth to the whole multiplayer FPS craze,We still call it deathmatch for fuck sake.thinking the game will change drastically from multiplayer to singleplayer is moronic.
>>334570418
Ok that looks great
>>334587763
The multiplayer was developed by certain affinity. Thinking the singleplayer won't be drastically different is moronic.
>>334570418
>snapmap
Literally confirmed by the devs that it can't faithfully make E1M1 or Map01, literally 2 staples of doom modding as it doesn't handle outside areas.
Snapmap is trash.
>>334587901
When some of the more glaring faults of the game lie at the engine level, ie. movement speed there's not going to be much difference at all.
Fuck, we already know there's a weapon wheel that slows down time for some moronic reason.
Maybe changing weapons on the fly is too much for people these days.
>>334588375
1-0 still instantly swaps weapons and there's no confirmation that the wheel is even useable without a controller plugged in.
>movement speed is at the engine level
>A CVAR IS AT THE ENGINE LEVEL
