Who else is ready for this epic expansion which will give us EIGHT whole hours of content for the low low price of $50?
My favorite part though, personally, is waiting for a whole other year for the next truly epic expansion that will give us an additional 8 hours of content for another $50.
Remember when Blizzard used to make expansions that gave hundreds of hours worth of content? It's been a while, huh?
>Blizzcucks paying 50 freedom dollars to get cucked
What else is new
I remember when MMO's had hundreds of hours of content and people didn't try to make the game a number simulator.
>>334551409
Im in the beta and can confirm it's going to be a mess.
tfw already preordered but no beta access
>>334551409
Don't you mean $60?
>http://legion.wowhead.com/news=252421/legion-alpha-build-21491-data-new-items-salvage-yard-changes-calculator-updates#p3951414
They nerfed Arcane Mages, fuck this game.
I got a refund.
top kek
>>334556123
Literally who?
>>334556262
Looks like the team director for vanilla WoW.
>>334556262
He's an old dev, he's basically campaigning for legacy servers to be a thing
>Druid Class Hall isn't Moonglad
el
oh
el
>>334556123
Just because he was a team lead in WoW it doesn't mean he's right. Look how good Firefall was - oh wait, it sucked. Anyone with enough years in the industry could become team lead.
>>334556668
I doubt anyone at Blizzard even remembers where Moonglade is.
>>334556668
>warrior class hall is not Frey island
It is as though the current designers in charge are completely ignorant of the game before the last expansion
>>334553102
Get a refund.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVY9R0L_B2U
Is he right?
>>334551541
i remember when mmos actually had community and i could jump on guild ventrilo and spend countless hours bullshiting about nothing and still have a blast. Amazing how funny and cool people can be when you have the family sense of a guild combined with the anonymity of a vidya.
Back in BC my guild (horde) shared a vent with a sister guild that was alliance. If you were doing some quest with a low drop rate and you were competing with some other players on your faction for the mobs, all you had to do was ask a person from the sister guild to come gank them for you while you did the quest. We'd all share accounts with each other so we could play really geared classes without having to take the time to gear them ourselves. we'd bullshit around like play mock wars or play hide n go seek in an enemy capital. You can't find that kind of stuff in WoW anymore.
The biggest problem for wow at the moment isn't the terrible content, its the lack of community. Nothing is said in guild chats anymore, raids/dungeons go by without anyone saying a word. May as well take off the mmo and just call wow an rpg.
>>334560438
Some points I can argue against like flying being bad, as some zones are stupidly large and hard to navigate, but on the whole I agree with most things. In particularly the more meta-gamey arguments like PvP and PvE gear being separate and numbers being really big now. I don't like those sorts of things where it's clearly unnecessary and catering to specific people and divides communities because now they can pick and choose. It's like eating all the apples in an apple pie and leaving the crust. Like what the fuck?
>>334551693
The beta started?
>>334561586
I'd argue most MMO's are that way because of developers finding ways to automate things in-game. Hell even Runescape started falling flat with the creation of the Grand Exchange, ignoring the stupid shit they did afterwards. World 1 and 2 are dead now, nobody fucking trades anymore. XP waste or some bullshit.
>>334561667
I agree, though for fairness, I loved when tournament servers were introduced. Everyone got everything, you picked everything from racials to items, everyone has the same shit, no excuses put up or shut up.
Even on fucking BG9 over 20% of the first page couldn't even make it past the prelims.
>>334561667
>zones are stupidly large
WORLD
>and hard to navigate
literally kill yourself
>>334562906
Maybe I'm calling the map designers shit, fagtron?
>>334563198
no you're shit
>>334563198
Their map designers were always shit. Why else would WoW have always been segmented perfectly into zones with zero overlay in terrain?
>>334551409
I'd rather buy Heart of Thorns for my GW2 account I don't play anymore than Legion and that's saying something.
>>334551503
>freedom dollar
>it's actually what keeps everyone in chains
>>334556123
>CEO of dev behind Firefall who was fired is voicing his opinion
I want vanilla realms and backing this reject isn't going to fucking help.
>>334564268
I don't even know what the fuck Firefall is
>>334558132
Ignorant, or does the idea of older, more known and loved content piss them off?
>>334564419
FPS MMO. Wasn't very good.
Of all the devs that left Blizzard to make their own, has anyone made anything semi-decent besides Torchlight?
>>334556668
>rogue class hall not Ravenholdt Manor
>>334556123
Just like the FF developers threw any kind of fun away from the game.
>>334564791
New devs confirmed for hating the old ones.
>>334560438
>Heirlooms are option to speed up leveling proces
>Act like it's only type of item in the game
>Doing PVE to get PVP items is good
>Keep hatin on literally every single thing that was introduced in wrath
>While at the same time mentioning pretty much only wrath things when talking about that he loved back then then in last part video turns into usual noskek shill rant
???
Which expansion had hundreds of hours of content?
>>334565937
Implied content or something that people actually did?
>>334566014
It doesn't matter because the answer is either none of them or all of them.
>>334566112
Probably the one with most mandatory dailies. People didn't do shit in vanilla or tbc
At one point you could google loser and this image would come up
>>334565937
All of the expansions have hundreds of hours od content. The problem is, it's not content YOU want to do.
And that's the problem. Crybabies saying nothing to do in game when they don't get into the other activites avaivable.
You can bitch about the content you don't like, no problem there. But saying it doesn't exist is flat out wrong.
>Start playing WoW again
>MoP
>Roll a Huntard because I've never ever played one
>Easy as expected but..
>Really Fun
>>334566292
I feel a mixture of jealousy, nostalgia and smug glee at how much a neckbeard he is.
Weird feels man.
>>334566292
>No maxed Wildhammer rep
4/10 autism score, pity points for Shen'dralar and Ravenholdt
>>334567210
MoP had the best gameplay out all the neo WoW xpacs. Every class had a really well fleshed out spec and playing alot specs was super fucking fun.
>eight hours
Seriously, I hate you fucking niggers. I'm looking forward to Legion but there are no doubt going to be legitimate gripes to have with the game, but when legitimate criticism is bundled in with the mindless droning of hyperbole or nonsense like LFR IS LITERALLY THE WORST THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO A VIDEO GAME then it makes it hard to get actual, nuanced discussions about how to make a game better.
>>334568020
>fucking niggers.
wew lad
>>334568020
>LFR IS LITERALLY THE WORST THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO A VIDEO GAME
but it is
>>334551409
I already pre-ordered. Enjoying the alpha actually.
>>334561586
>tfw entire sundays were reserved for clearing MC / BWL and gearing up alts, hanging out on vent and just talking shit
Those were probably my best memories from vanilla, you knew everyone on the server and it just made everything feel somewhat real and permanent.
>>334568296
It's a 100% optional mode that has literally zero effect on any other raid tier. Normal still requires you to get a party together and all the higher tiers require tonnes of communication/planning.
>>334564791
Technically you burned it down in the rogue legendary quest.
>>334567496
>not being maxed syndicate
>not even maxed blood sail
Do you even rep
>>334568383
They're limited mechanically when designing new raid bosses as they have to consider if a group of 5 year olds can understand it.
>>334568296
Problem with LFR is that Legendary questline is tied to raiding. People that are not target audience for the LFR are also the problem.
> HEY BRO I AM A MYTHIC RAIDER THIS IS MY ALT YO, FUCKING NOOBS GET TO WORK
>FUCKING CASUALS, I NEED THE VALOR TO UPGRADE MY RING, GET TO WORK
>>334568531
Not for mythic.
can we all agree there is a very clear line between wotlk and cata seperating the good old wow from the bad new one
I still can't believe how many people shit on cataclysm it was an amazing expansion, until season11/the raid finder came along. God, I loved season9/cata release. Shit was dope.
>>334568531
LFR has like half the mechanics
>>334568629
Absolutely. woltk bred these people that wanted to roll content, and they ruined Cata Heroics, that was the breaking point of the game.
>>334568629
Game peaked with WoTLK, granted I didn't like all the content or QOL changes they made to the game, but for the most it was a good expansion.
>>334568718
The only good thing about Cataclysm was the opening cinematic.
>>334568802
>corrupted rat from legion could probably one shot all the raid bosses in one hit up to wotlk
I thought they did a number crunch not even 2 xpacs ago
>>334568802
That's just plain old stat inflation.
>>334568383
>It's a 100% optional mode that has literally zero effect on any other raid tier.
it's dumbed down to be fast food like content, beside, with the stuff requirement, it's not optional at all.
the strats were dumbed down so autistic 5 years old can win, you end up with retarded people on normal and in the world everyone has the same stuff.
don't say "it doesn't matter" because it does, they work with the LFR as a standard
>>334568383
Sorry, I thought you meant the dungeon and raid finder.
>>334568907
You don't even one shot MC bosses at max gear level right now.
>>334568531
No, they don't. They just tune the numbers down a bunch. Why do I get the sneaking suspicion you've never actually done a Heroic?
>>334568975
>beside, with the stuff requirement, it's not optional at all
With dungeon gear you can go straight to Normal. LFR is just there so people don't have to YouTube shit to see the story in a raid. It's ONE HUNDRED percent optional and if you do it, it's literally you choosing to do it for no benefit. LFR gear LOOKS worse and is worse for PvE than fucking entry level PvP gear.
>they work with the LFR as a standard
No, they do Normal and then reduce the damage and health numbers by half. That's literally the difference. Seriously this is what I was saying, you fucking retards know nothing about how things work mechanically and just parrot shit you hear on here. OMG YOU LITERALLY HAVE TO DO LFR IF YOU WANT TO RAID AND LFR GEAR IS TOTALLY BETTER THAN MYTHIC GEAR AND IT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME AND YOU GET ALL ACHIEVEMENTS FOR DOING IT AND IF YOU DON'T DO IT YOU CAN'T SUB.
>>334568907
At the start of WoD. People are already doing ~600k DPS again.
>>334569181
>LFR gear LOOKS worse and is worse for PvE
What do you mean by worse? From what I remember it just had a different colour scheme.
Not that it matters, since everything released after T6 looks like fucking ass and everyone's gear is transmog-ed.
>>334569401
>From what I remember it just had a different colour scheme
It's not even the same model.
>people that literally have never even seen LFR gear are trying to have a nuanced opinion on why it's bad
Every time.
>>334569330
go higher
omgwtf did they do to the game (((((
>>334569330
Yeah because they removed exponential scaling with the squish up to the start of WoD and then forgot about it.
>eight hours of content
Where do people get this shit from
>>334569495
>mfw we're going to have a bunch of SoO mechanics in legion because bosses are hitting the HP cap again
>>334569330
blizz does need to do a numbers shrink again. the fucking dps level is way to dam high, hp level is to dam high.
the mid to high 100,000 range for shit is just to dam high. the need to keep things in the thousand to ten thousand range.
>>334568471
Yeah and it's totally impossible to rebuild something
>>334569569
From what they experienced in WoD.
But to fair there was at least 9-10 hours of content if you include jumping on your garrison fountain.
>>334569596
Why? Every other raid in WoD, which were fantastic, didn't have to do it so why the fuck would Legion's raids?
>>334569621
No, they need to do an item level shrink. With WoD we've gone up nearly 200 item levels over the course of 1 expansion. Started at 600 and now people are pushing 750.
This happens because there's four fucking difficulty tiers when there only ever needed to be two.
>>334569495
How will arcane change in legion?
>>334569462
Even the art department stopped giving a fuck
>>334569717
>9-10 hours of content
The first time leveling was, at minimum, 15 hours.
>>334569181
I see your point, but bli2 isn't in some ignorance bubble, they know the consequences of their game design, they know how player's mind work, everyone know the raid leaders are going to check the iLvl, and since the Tx stuff have effects that improve greatly your main button of your class, between someone who tries to get epic with dungeons and some random with his 4p Tn-1, he's going to take the lfr guy
>then you just have to be the raid leader
agreed, and it's not hard, but the obvious advantage of one player over the other make bli2's intentions clear, also the shrinking amount of dungeons is another point
beside, the "just disable yourself a major part of the game to enjoy it right" is a bad game design decision
>>334569621
Stat crunching is just a band aid on a broken system built on chasing high numbers. You can't really fix it without damaging players' sense of progression.
>>334569719
What? People at 840 ilvl will be doing ~1.5m DPS. Blizzard still cannot give enemies more that 2.146 billion health because the software of WoW is from the mid 90's.
They don't need to do that in WoD because people aren't doing so much damage.
>>334569795
LFR doesn't give tier. Literally what the fuck are you even talking about.
>>334569774
whoa asymmetric armors are back in style for wow?
>>334569717
>any content before you hit level cap doesn't count as content
>>334568376
>bed right next to that cheap-ass fridge that looks like it's gonna BRRRRRR all night
>pillows in that direction meaning your head is like one foot away from it
Yeah nah that nigga wouldn't be able to sleep even if you can get used to it
>>334569795
>he's going to take the LFR guy
No he isn't because it's literally worse than dungeon gear. It also doesn't give tier gear. Are you retarded?
>just disable yourself a major part of the game to enjoy it right
>a major part of the game
>one of four raid tiers and the only one you literally get no benefit from doing
You're reaching insanely hard.
>>334569878
>LFR doesn't give tier.
well fuck my opinion, I must have jumped to normal directly years ago
well I'll discard myself then
>>334569795
>LFR
>giving out tier sets
People who bitch about LFR seriously know nothing about it
>>334569637
Considering Stormwind's park has been destroyed for more years than it hasn't, I'm starting to wonder.
>>334569774
>we have to make LFR armor look like complete shit because people complained
I sorta cared being a PvPer and not giving a fuck about raiding. PvPing in cata with deathwings blue lfr sword was cool.
>>334569878
Now, now, HFC LFR has a set with a bonus.
LFR did give legit tier armor before, since the person you are talking to doesn't play the game, that's why they are probably expecting to happen right now.
>>334556123
>Firefall
He can go eat a bag of dicks
>>334570004
>blizzard spending any time on Alliance cities
Never going to happen
>>334570068
Compare Iron Forge to Org. Stop whining.
>>334570256
You mean the city that literally hasn't changed since vanilla, compared the city that got a massive overhaul only a few expansions back?
It's not like I'm saying the overhaul didn't suck complete ass, but it still happened
>>334570068
We both know they'd just say they don't have enough resources to commit to doing it.
>>334570371
But lucky for us they have enough resources to bring back garrisons! :^)
>>334570004
Has anything changed since cata?
>>334570476
Some of the glow effects were removed because it made no sense for them to be hot after 5 years. Other than that, no.
>>334570407
>people still bitching about le garrison 2.0 don't keep up with news about what they're adding in Legion
Woah big surprise right there.
>>334570678
i am sorry my favorite youtuber hasn't made a video yet
>>334569926
Depends on the person. I like to sleep with a fan on the highest setting blowing towards me. I can't sleep without it.
And I guarantee it is louder than my mini-fridge. Only thing I can't sleep through is a ticking clock...
>>334570004
At least they are updating the keep
>>334570952
Why is Velen there, he doesn't come out to anything else.
>>334571053
everyone loves a good funeral.
>>334570952
I haven't been keeping up with the lore. Do we know if he's dead dead, or missing, presumed dead yet?
>>334571118
It doesn't actually matter because Blizzard's just going to fuck up telling the story anyway.
>>334551409
>8 hours of content
I haven't played wow since cataclysm aborted the fun but I'm gonna need a citation on your bullshit before you go any further
>>334571118
He's really dead. Then Jaina blamed the horde and wants to murder them again because they were protecting Sylvanas instead of him.
Varian will probably come back anyways since the new four horsemen are still missing their last member.
>>334561586
>i could jump on guild ventrilo and spend countless hours bullshiting about nothing and still have a blast
I still do this. This hasn't changed.
>>334570024
The armour can look as shit as they want, it's the loss of set bonuses that fucking blows.
Those are the only way extra depth was added to the already simple class rotations, some bonuses in WoD really changed things up. Now casuals got EVEN WORSE because they didn't even have to learn that aspect, since their sets were +100 Stength
>>334570025
>HFC LFR has a set with a bonus.
Yeah, +150 Stength
>>334551409
>want to see WoW squirm with all the new MMO's coming out, see them actually try again to win back their audience
>Most, if not all of the new wave is K-MMO which is grindy as fuck or pay-wall as fuck
>Blizz knows this and can relax, since the best thing to kill a K-MMO is itself
Here's hoping all the new sandbox MMO's at least make Metzen stop banging hooker for a split second to ponder
>>334551409
>EIGHT whole hours of content for the low low price of $50
*silence*
>>334564268
>>334564956
>>334570052
>>334557139
What was the problem with FF?
It had 0 marketing.
>>334571318
>Varian will probably come back anyways since the new four horsemen are still missing their last member.
Death in WoW is the most meaningless thing ever.
I'm interested in joining up with a bunch of people, on a completely fresh server in which non of us have any mains, so that we can level up some characters properly without being kitted out with overpowered as fuck heirlooms.
Anybody interested?
I'll probably renew my subscription next week if I can get a few people to join up with me.
Only people I'm not interested in are people who want nothing more than to rush to max level.
>>334568802
What? Did they remove durability? lmfao, casualization is a cancer.
>>334571731
>wanting to level up through cataclysm, outland and northrend zones
>without heirlooms
Disgusting
>>334564268
>>334564268
where this webm from senpai
>>334571731
You know that heirlooms are not server bound. And it's always funny to see people make character on 10 different realms and then cry that they don't have any money.
>>334571785
haha wtf dude
>>334566824
Maybe the majority of the MMO market plays MMOs to have a community and not achievement and mount collect-a-thons.
>>334571667
Firefall is the go-to shill phrase when they don't have an argument, as if that invalidates every thing Mark Kern has ever done.
>>334561586
>Nothing is said in guild chats anymore, raids/dungeons go by without anyone saying a word. May as well take off the mmo and just call wow an rpg.
People in my guild still talk to each other.
>>334571886
That's a funny thing to say, considering WoW still dominates the majority of the MMO market
>>334569495
Why did you blur out the duration of all the fights? Is that because they only last 15 seconds?
>>334561586
It's always people who don't want to make an effort to find a good guild that complain that things are somehow different now
>>334571958
I was just cheering up people on their numbers >>334569330 and >>334569823
>>334571938
Based on China having a sneaky "sub" definition.
9% of the internet is NA, which is only 490k subs.
>>334571891
So it's exactly like the thread earlier today where John Romero's work on Doom and Wolfenstein was irrelevant because everyone kept screaming Diakatana?
>>334572043
Which is still more than any other MMO on the market
>>334572109
It's about the same as EVE and Runescape actually.
>>334570952
Who's the demon hunter fag
>>334572043
>9% of the internet is NA
What level of brain damage must a person receive to think that internet penetration and game subscription base are related in any way?
>>334551409
>eight hours
>low price of $50
I remember when $40 would get you a 12 hour game
>>334571840
>You know that heirlooms are not server bound.
Fuck sake, really?
Oh well, I'll still find some people to level with me before i resub next week.You'll see.
>>334569814
Inaccurate.
>>334572172
>there are people who will believe any bullshit they read
>on /v/ of all places
>>334572180
Log into the characters who own the heirlooms and they will get auto added to an account wide tab that you click to add heirlooms to the inventory of any character on your account.
>>334572170
The law of large numbers.
>>334572180
No one is still forcing heirlooms on you. They're just there in the tab for people who didn't want to lug them aroundor if you are an idiot like me and misplaced them among several alts
WoW has got to be the biggest meme of all time. It was never good, and it will never be good. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me it was all a joke, because there's no way people ever found it to be an enjoyable experience.
>>334572429
well meme'd, good sir
>>334572429
>It was never good.
I'm sorry you think that. Apparently you missed out.
>>334572539
I played it on release. Like I said, it was never good.
>>334556516
Team Lead, which was a producer role. Chris Metzen has been the Creative Director for every WoW title and Rob Pardo was lead designer for vanilla and BC.
>>334572429
It was fake fun all along, amiriteguys?
>>334571118
No cutscenes or cinematics yet in the newest build. I'm thinking presumed and not actually dead.
Besides, the new Four Horsemen are Nazgrim, Trollbane, Whitemane and Tirion. Couldn't be Varian.
so what is so bad about legion
what are the major points
>>334572620
Whitemane isn't part of the four horsemen she's just a follower that now refuses to wear a shirt instead of refusing to wear pants.
>>334572791
She's the third one you go to resurrect in SM though. She essentially fills the role Blaumeux played in the OG 4 horsemen
>>334572231
stop posting this shit
wow is a themepark mmo
go spam this in eve online threads
>>334573076
EVE already has impermanent gear.
Pls stop negating what you already realize is the best and plausibly only option to make WoW deep.
>>334568802
Both of those items are boring.
>>334573175
i dont see how turning it into a grindfest is going to fix it
mmos need more mechanics that encourage player interaction, like quests that require a party to beat, vanilla wow slightly overdid this but cata completely removed any traces of it
with this crafting bullshit you're just gonna have chinamen camping every single mining node/flower/whatever
>>334569774
>muh pauldrons
What is it with Blizzard and their massive pauldrons?
>>334573392
>vanilla wow slightly overdid this
Overdoing it would be every quest needing other players, vanilla had just the right balance
>>334573420
You can hide them in Legion
>>334573420
Blizzard needs them to be eyecatching to try and pull your eyes away from the fact that they STILL only use flat textures for chests.
>>334573392
>gameplay is a grindfest
Strawman.
>more mechanics that encourage player interaction
That was the original idea.
>like quests
Enthralling.
>with this crafting bullshit you're just gonna have chinamen camping every single mining node/flower/whatever
"Hot zones" should be semi-random.
>>334573420
they think nerds secretly want to be football players
>>334573593
But you don't wear pauldrons in football
Since we're all seemingly giving our opinions on shit that we hate about Neo-WoW, I might as well chime in and say what I hate.
I. Fucking. Hate. Flying. Mounts.
These things have destroyed any sense of exploration. Now there is no struggle to get to that certain quest mob you need for that certain quest you're on. You just jump on your shitty flying mount, fly over everything, drop off where the quest monster is, kill it, then jump back on your mount and fly away.
Anybody who says "B-b-b-but it's tedious fighting your way through mons-" No, shut the fuck up. Just shut the fuck up. That is not a good excuse at all.
>>334573741
If they remove daze, I'm on board.
>>334573809
WoD had anti-daze stables, didn't stop me from using the feather across Tanaan before they finally patched pathfinder rewards in the game.
>>334573392
>require a party to beat
The problem with this is, if there's a really difficult mob that requires a 5 man party to beat, retards won't be able to kill it. So they make it easy to kill and people solo it or duo it anyway.
Previously, retards would skip it or come back to it later, but now everyone has to experience all the content because the content is barebones and there's not a lot to go and do.
>>334573741
They don't need to remove flying, they just need to make Blue Tortoise Shell into a baseline ability for every class.
>>334574089
>Blizzard get buttmad that not everyone could experience all the content before further expansions released
>Refuses to add legacy servers so people can experience the content
I bet they don't even realize the hypocrisy.
>>334574089
Mainly a problem with how healing is done now.
Healers have infinite mana, players have self heals, totally screws group dynamics, now the only class that matters is the tank unless there is an enrage timer tacked on
>>334574195
forgot pic
>>334574320
w-WHAT?
>>334574419
Overgeared people going tnto LFR acting like hot shit
>>334574320
Wanna expand that healing done and show Killrog Trinket %?
>>334574195
>hop into LFR as a warrior tank
>haven't really tanked anything since WotLK
>can't AoE tank for shit
>the other tank, a pally, generates almost twice as much threat as me and just completely ignores any mechanics that are supposed to have you switch tanks because he and the healers are actually competent
>basically downgraded to a shitty dps
>>334572170
The same corrupt growth that makes people align "I personally don't like this product" and "This extremely financially successful video game is going to flop because I don't like it".
>>334574549
Yeah, but what the fuck were they doing for almost a God-damned hour?
>>334574320
What the flying fuck, did they use autoattack only?
>>334574824
He solo'd it. Which isn't hard because LFR bosses have no enrage and don't do any damage.
>>334574796
Staying dead. Iron Reaver enters the courtyard and slams the ground killing everyone standing underneath. People often tell LFR player to stay under the boss for a buff.
Raid dies and people tryhard it with 10 people.
>>334573741
Yeah, I'd love to pay 15 dollars a month so I could casually run on the ground for an hour or two to get to one point to another.
4 (FOUR) raid difficulties
20 man FIXED mythic raiding
>>334574549
>>334574824
The raid was dead, the guy solo'd it anyway to troll the raid.
>>334575243
>Mythic raiding fixed anything
https://youtu.be/9MNFWhCw8dg?t=618
>>334575313
He's just saying that mythic raids are fixed to 20 players only, retard
>>334575313
Fixed as in it doesn't scale.
>>334575313
>actually claiming that 40 man raids having to be grinded for months to gear up everyone is a good thing
What a fucking retard
>>334575313
It's still hilarious to hear a cunt that did nothing but raid for 4 years cry that the game has nothing but raiding.
>>334575495
Nihilum never had this problem though, they poached non-stop
Game sucks now because all social aspects apart from guilds are gone, lfd/r tool garrisons killing professions ability prune and patch 6.1 all the final straw. You retards complain but keep coming back
Stay unsubbed
>>334575710
Literally any thing that you could do socially is still available.
>>334575774
yeah good luck finding a group for deadmines through general chat
>>334575710
I don't know man, I said hi to someone yesterday in a dungeon.
>>334575774
Why would people do something that requires more effort than queuing, though?
>>334575710
> lfd/r tool garrisons killing professions ability prune and patch 6.1 all the final straw
I don't know what I am talking about starting pack.
>>334575845
But for what purpose
>>334575845
You can still conceivably do it, yes. The thing is, is that sitting in a fucking capital going LOOKING 4 DEADMINES GROUP PLS RESPOND is no different than sitting there waiting for your queue to pop, the only "difference" is that you can pretend that you're being social because you're sitting there not talking to the other person while you wait for half an hour for 3 other niglets to join.
>>334574650
>A boss comes along that actually has a dangerous mechanic if you fuck up/take too many stacks
>People lose their minds because they're used to just mashing buttons until the loot popup appears.
I think raids are going to die out because decent raid groups (who feed good raid groups who feed great raid groups) are getting these LFR raiders that don't have a single fucking iota how to even stack or not stack.
Look at LFR Durumu from ToT. All it takes is for one competent guy to put a triangle on his head and /y "STAY ON TRIANGLE" but the more people ignore mechanics, the worse it is when something comes along that requires a modicum of strategy.
>>334575860
What the fuck is stopping you from talking to people in the dungeon after you queue?
>>334575876
Great reason you have provided to refute my point, Jay Norris!
>>334575876
heres a summary of your post:
>>something something wow
>lol yore soooo silly XD
>>334576060
KEK
>>334576008
Too late
Raiding guilds have been falling apart like crazy all through WOD thanks to mythic.
Repetitive grinding of the same fucking content makes people bored, people quit the game when they're bored.
The only true raiding guilds going strong these days are the ones that are getting paid to raid via, either through youtube content or e-sport sponsors for world firsts.
>>334573496
Can we hide belts in Legion?
>>334576180
>Repetitive grinding of the same fucking content makes people bored
Not according to this guy
>>334575313
>>334576008
>>334576180
>more people killed M Archimonde than ever before
>RAIDING IS DYING
>>334576038
Have you tried? There is usually no response.
>>334576180
Yeah 4 difficulties is stupid
Mythic is quite fun though, our guild is enjoying the progression
Cut it down to 2 difficulties, Normal & Heroic
Don't even need Mythic dungeons, just use that scaling Diablo affix shit on Heroic instead
>>334576276
>People kill the final raid boss of the expansion
>The loot is worthless for anything but raiding
>???
>>334576243
Watch the full thing, he's saying that the end game is shit, he plays black desert now, and only does WOW for youtube money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzT8UzO1zGQ
>>334576339
Sounds like vanilla to me. Only a few groups I was ever in actually talked to each other beyond setting up the group in the first place
>>334563956
lol don't buy HoT that ain't an expansion.
if you think blizzard has bad expansions that it's like his retarded brother.
>>334576431
>Watch the full thing
No need, I stopped when he said it was a good thing that you needed to grind 40 mans for months on end to gear up your raids
>>334576431
>The loot is worthless for anything but raiding
Raid gear hasn't been useful for anything but raiding since they added resil. You don't need mad stats to do dailies
>>334556123
>washed up cuck who lost everything trying to remain relevant by being a being an attention whore on twitter
kinda sad
>>334551409
I'm in the alpha and I did the BM hunter artifact quest. It was fun, but I'm done playing it because I don't want to be Blizzard's free slave game tester.
>>334576276
probably because the dps curve is steeper than ever. In SoO the best dps did like 150k dps when starting out with 200k dps top scores, towards the end of SoO they did 380k dps on average with top scores far above 500k dps.
in WoD you had top scores of 60k dps (average probably at 40-50k) on gruul in Blackrock foundry. in Hellfire citadel you get top scores of around 300k dps on single target fights.
what im trying to say is with high end gear your dps grows vastly stronger than in previous expansions. where in previous expansions you got a dps increase of about 100% from second last to last tier you got 200% in this expansion. the fights got mechanically harder but can be outscaled easier
>>334576535
Exactly, so why would you bother doing mythic raiding after you killed a boss that only takes a month or two to down? Especially when you've already killed it on Normal and Heroic?
>>334576702
i mean full gear fire mages can get to like 70% crit in raid environments, the gear ramp has gotten so crazy it's hilarious
i boosted a fire mage with my legion pre-order and in battlegrounds (epic pvp gear is boosted to mythic-tier itemlevels in pvp environments) i get like 80% critrate on pyroblasts. the end of the expansion has always been crazy for stat-dependant specs but this expansion is the worst it has ever been
>>334576841
Why would you raid in the first place?
Why play video games in general?
Post WoW villains that did nothing wrong.
>>334573420
they scale with toon head size so they get retarded
>>334576914
>>334576460
You didn't get anything done in vanilla without a little communication.
With duty finder, it's cross server now, so this is little benefit to talking now that all content is known and requires no strategy to clear.
>playing World of Warcraft after all of the bad design decisions over the years that ruined the original experience
But that was only a small part of the reason why I quit. The main reason was the disturbing new player-base. The game got bigger with every new expansion that was released, and as it got bigger, it brought in a vast amount of new players. I noticed that more and more “normal” people who had active and pleasurable social lives were starting to play the game, as the new changes catered to such a crowd. WoW no longer became a sanctuary where I could hide from the evils of the world, because the evils of the world had now followed me there. I saw people bragging online about their sexual experiences with girls... and they used the term “virgin” as an insult to people who were more immersed in the game than them. The insult stung, because it was true. Us virgins did tend to get more immersed in such things, because our real lives were lacking. I couldn’t stand to play WoW knowing that my enemies, the people I hate and envy so much for having sexual lives, were now playing the same game as me. There was no point anymore. I realized what a terrible mistake I made to turn my back on the world again. The world is brutal, and I need to fight for my place in it. My life was at a crucial turning point, and I couldn’t waste any more precious time.
>>334576995
>requires no strategy to clear
>>334576276
>Content is stale for so long you can take your pets in to kill the final boss due to getting near BiS
Heroic Lich King would have been killed a lot more if there were another 6 months before Cata came out. Not to mention more people are getting boosted in that time frame.
>>334576995
>LF tank deadmines spammed in general
>counting as communication
>>334577012
i knew two guys that are both younger than me (im 21 now) that played in vanilla and now have girlfriends and good social lives
>>334577059
have you played lfr or random heroics in WoD and MoP? you can completely ignore mechanics and still get kills
>>334572231
The fuck is this trash?
>>334556123
WHAT VIDEO IS HE TALKING ABOUT?
>>334576702
What does this have to do with raiding dying?
Just in case I checked the number of kills.
In 7 months of Sunwell, 2200 guilds killed KJ
In 7 months of HFC, 1000 guilds killed M Archimonde, 12K Heroic Archimonde
In 7 months of ICC, 150 LK25H kills
>>334577112Its a quote from Elliot Rodger.
>>334577137
LK25HC had the "only 50 tries per week" gate and a ton of difficult bosses before him
KJ was nerfed to shit, i can promise you that atleast a third of the people that got the garrosh title got it in the 2 weeks of the MoP pre-patch
>>334577153
what
>>334577242
> KJ was nerfed to shit
In case you missed it, WoD has 795 rings and valor upgrades.
Anyone playing Legion alpha here? I'd like to know a) how are enh shamans, I want to play one but I don't like how they changed totems and maelstrom, and b) is there a class that will let me play as party buffer?
>>334577342
yeah and some SoO fights had the health of some adds reduced by half of worse
for fucks sake there have been guilds that killed the engineer in 20 fucking seconds. that fight was brutal before the nerf
i guess you're right, technically the "nerf" has been worse in the last two expansions
>>334577431
Holy and Ret paladins are going to be almost Vanilla tier buff bitch classes.
>>334551409
8 hours of leveling content you retard, not total content.
>>334577569
But I read they removed blessing of kings and of might, how do I buff the party?
>>334577059
Your image adds to the conversation, but you still have yet to refute my argument directly.
>>334577681
http://legion.wowhead.com/spell=203528/greater-blessing-of-might
http://legion.wowhead.com/spell=203538/greater-blessing-of-kings
http://legion.wowhead.com/spell=203539/greater-blessing-of-wisdom
>>334573719
? professional football players wear shoulderguards as a safety standard
>>334577094
You didn't talk about cc options with your group? Didn't communicate once adds were pulled? Didn't just shoot the shit with your party because it took you a while to form said group?
>>334577794
That's it?
>>334577794
so you can put out 3 buffs, one for dps tank and healer? which will mean there will need to be atleast 4 paladins in every raid group?
i lost hope in vidya companies long ago
>>334573719
Ameriball, not soccer.
>>334577921
They were going to take away all raid buffs.
Auras, I miss you guys.
>>334577905
Nope.
>>334577875
>handegg
>football
Modern WoW is geared to much for instant gratification, and appeasing casual shits with LFG, and LFR. The game's direction over the last few expansions in streamlining, and hand holding your way through the game experience killed the community. Old player expected you to learn how to get good, and know the ins, and outs of your class. Plus removing talent trees kills all sense of wonder in theory crafting.
>>334578014
Removing raid buffs is my biggest complain about modern wow. Was it that hard to balance things?
>attempt to have fun in WoW by playing Nost
>blizzard sees im having fun in WoW and swiftly gets lawyers on that shit
>"Dont forget to purchase our epic new expansion WOD: the rest of the content! for only $50!"
>>334578131
>focused too much
>one mode that literally does nothing to contribute to hardcore raiding somehow invalidates the fact that raids are the hardest and most mechanically nuanced that they ever have been
This is why you faggots are so hard to take seriously.
>>334577990
> which will mean there will need to be atleast 4 paladins in every raid group?
what kind of reading comprehension is this
>>334578014
auras are back, as talents :^)
