/v/, is it ever okay to have a transgendered or gay character in your game? Or will it always be a big trigger?
If they were well written and didn't cry about their "struggle", they just so happened to be trans, is that okay?
>>334522356
>they just so happened to be trans, is that okay?
How exactly would you know they were trans if they didn't talk about it?
Why would their mental disorder be relevant at all?
>>334522356
22 years of my social construct has been boys and girls.
I will tolerate transgenders as long as I don't see them opening their mouth.
Maybe time will allow me to accept them like decent human beings.
I am sorry, but please understand.
>>334522510
>How exactly would you know they were trans if they didn't talk about it?
Maybe it'd be a man wearing a dress.
>Why would their mental disorder be relevant at all?
Does everything need to be specifically relevant to be included? No racoons unless there is a racoon hive in the storyline?
If I ever got a chance to visit the leaning tower of Pisa I'd pretend it was my dick. Sure it may not be original, but it's more original than what those fucks are doing.
>>334522787
>Maybe it'd be a man wearing a dress.
If that's the only cue that he was transgendered than that's find, I'd probably only think he was some crazy person.
>Does everything need to be specifically relevant to be included?
How often do characters talk about identifying as their gender? When does sonic talk about how he is a guy? How often does peach talk about how she's a female? They exist, they talk about relevant things because the purpose of a story and characters is to get a main point across, now to much up the waters with real world drama and controversy.
What's in the leaning tower of Pizza that makes it important?
Is it just another example of Italian engineering incompetence? Shouldn't Italy try to hide this?
>>334522356
i'll just avoid those games. it's always a token, they way they're trying to shove it in games now.
>>334523156
Sometimes the fuckups are more interesting than the originals
it's okay if the game is my dick.
>>334523068
>If that's the only cue that he was transgendered than that's find, I'd probably only think he was some crazy person.
Lol, sure. Maybe he'd have waifish, dainty animations, making it more obvious.
>How often do characters talk about identifying as their gender? When does sonic talk about how he is a guy?
It's a good point. So basically, trans chars are okay as long as they just be characters and do game relevant stuff, like gotta go fast.
>>334523156
Incompetence can yield cool results, pizza tower is just the most famous example. Then there's this one in England which looks like the setting for a Castlevania stage.
>>334522356
Yeah, sure.
As long as it's treated like everyone else in the game.
>>334523326
>>334522510
>>334522356
Thing is trannies are mentally unstable and will never not bring up their condition for attention.
>>334523479
>what is Erika from Catherine
>>334523646
a fictional video game character
>>334522356
no its not and it will never be.
i am so sick of devs forcing that crap on us.
>>334523718
There you go.
>>334522356
If they were well written the sexual orientation of the character would never be brought up in the first case
>>334522787
>Maybe it'd be a man wearing a dress.
That's not what transgender is. You're thinking of a crossdresser.
Yeah, as long as the context and situations of the character create such thing.
For example, transgender behaviour wouldn't happen in a scarce society or a medieval, patriarcal one. There's no immanent situation that could make it happen, it's purely societal and from the prime education.
>>334524082
Literally the same thing
>>334523646
>>334523812
>make a horny woman and call it a tranny
>>334522356
Sexual orientation is not characterization; best gay characters have personalities that overshadow their sexuality. Undertale's probably a good example of that. Undyne and Alphys are memorable because of well-developed personalities, not primarily because they're carpet munchers.
>>334522356
It's not worth putting gays or trans in your game. Butthurt manbabies will start crying about "muh social justice" on twitter and probably try to get you fired.
>>334524587
This, undertale is basically the manual on how to write gay/trans/whatever the fuck characters.
You can't tell the gender or orientation of half of the characters in the game.
how does the joke go?
"how do you know if someone is trans/fag/etc? because they'll tell you!"
Nier Automata confirmed goty
>>334523156
>pizza.
Kek
>>334524587
Yeah, that's probably a good example. The word "lesbian" is never even said in that game, come to think of it. For the better.
>>334522356
tbqh anybody who has any issue with gay/transpeople in games are normally /pol/shitters anyways.
>>334525163
Or people who enjoy above average writing.
>>334522356
It's fine.
>>334522356
Sure. They have actually be a character. Problem is most of the cunts who put them in games are only doing it to virtue signal
>>334522356
wtf look at that dudes doll-hands on the left there.
>>334523479
That's... kinda of hard to determine.
Because you won't know about the ones who don't bring up, just the ones who do (mostly on tumblr).
A lot of them just want to be left alone and won't really draw attention to it.
>>334523479
What's the basis for this?
Sure, fine. I don't care about trans or gay characters. They're free to make games and use them as a tool to push an agenda, just like I'm free not to buy it.
Knowing what this person was upto in DaS1, trying to manipulate you the way they were, I hate them.
But just as a character in general, I think Gwyndolin was handled well.
>>334522356
Don't blab on about it in shitty Bioware/Gone Home tier dialogue and you're golden.
>>334522356
Sure, no problem. Just don't make their whole personality be lolimsogay.
>>334522356
Of course it's OK to have a faggot/carpetmuncher in your game. Same with dick splitters and the like. A well written character is a well written character, it doesn't matter if they're gay or straight or like to masturbate to tiles or whatever, so long as they're interesting for the player to interact with, it's fine.
>>334525684
So the inclusion of one trans/gay character in a game with a full cast of well-written characters is pushing an agenda? No excuses?
name one good LGBT character from any form of media or entertainment ever
Protip: you can't
Protip: a faggot who never mentions he's a faggot is just a straight man, stop pretending New Vegas had good gay characters
>>334522356
yes but the problem is that the developers of most mainstream games dont write stories from the standpoint of transgendered people because they are straight people and they shouldn't be forced to write in characters artistically from that standpoint if that isn't their artistic vision
>>334525875
Not that anon, but if they took the time to write an entire cast well and then shoe horned in a tranny, yeah I would consider that pushing an agenda.
Fallout: New Vegas had gay characters and nobody fucking cared.
Veronica and Arcade off-handedly mentioned that they were gay and the courier never delves deeper because he doesn't care either.
Write a good character, a character's sexuality or gender should never even come up when you're trying to write something good.Write all your characters then put races/genders/sexualities in a hat and pick like that desu.Weighted towards the averages like asian, male, straight of course
>>334525912
Ruka Urushibara from Steins Gate
the problem is that people write gay and trans characters poorly in a game that basically amounts to
"IM GAY, LOOK HOW GAY I AM, THE GAME IM IN IS PROGRESSIVE, EXCUSE ME AS I SUCK A COCK OR EAT OUT A GIRL DEPENDING ON MY GENDER"
when it should just be, here is my husband/wife and the character have the same gender and no one mention it as weird or normal if its ok in the time period.
>>334522356
What percentage of the real world's population are trannies? Probably like 0.1%. So unless your game has over 1000 characters, putting a tranny in it will be obvious pandering.
>is it ever okay to have a transgendered or gay character in your game?
Do what ever you want as long as you give me the option to give them shit for it
>>334522510
Coming out as TRANS is just another ploy for the SJW to include transexuals who aren't even passing.
I'm sure most transexuals would love to be referred to the gender they identify as.
it's weird that a site that so routinely faps to trap/futa porn despises transpeople so much
>>334522356
Yeah, they're usually great when it's played for laughs. Taking it seriously is retarded.
>>334522356
i honestly dont care as long as its not their defining characteristic.
>LOOK AT ME IM TRANS I LOVE COCK IF YOU HATE MY DESIGN UR JUST A DISGUSTING CIS MALE
>>334525912
I'm not pretending, though. Arcade was a well-written character. Never really played with Veronica enough to determine that. There's also that quartermaster in the Mojave Outpost that you wouldn't know was gay unless you had the Confirmed Bachelor perk.
Also, a lot of legionnaires played grab-ass with each other.
>>334522356
every transgender either needs to hate themselves or hate god and they are generally insecure.
usually all of these at once
>>334526046
I said good character. Ruka isn't gay, is fetish bait, and want to be a girl but not a tranny.
>>334526173
>I'm sure most transexuals would love to be referred to the gender they identify as.
Why do millennials feel the need to speak up for other people so often? Genuine question, it seems like every millennial feels the need to stand up for some group they don't belong to because they think they have some form of power that group doesn't.
>>334526231
yes, it is amazing that the site that coined "3DPD" enjoys the doujinshi version of something more than the real version
>>334525912
Aren't you a ray of sunshine? You fucking neanderthal cunt.
Protip: stop being on the internet when you have fries and hamburgers to cook.
>>334526021
That's what I'm saying though, does the inclusion of a tranny automatically mean they shoehorned them in? Even if the character was written just as well as the others?
>>334525912
Veronica mentions she's a lesbian, one of the first questions you can ask her is "Ever been in love?"
Also the entire legion is gay as fuck.
If sucking cock is your whole personality then I'd say that there is a problem.
>>334526446
this t b h
>>334526376
sure, but the sheer 180 of it surprises me
i think its a bit of a psychological contradiction tbqh
>>334526349
>Be a boy
>Want to be a girl
>Somehow not trans
>>334525912
Nigga, theatre is born from lesbian sects.
>>334522356
>Is it ever okay to have a mentally ill man who pretends he's a woman in a videogame?
Eh, sure, why not.
>>334526403
Reacting like that only adds fuel to the fire. Anybody that's been browsing this imageboard for more than a week should know that.
>>334523389
OH JESUS CHRIST!
THE MARKER IS REAL!
>>334522356
Is /v/ supposed to be a moral compass of some kind?
Yes, that's fine.
>>334526304
There's also Betsy who you wouldn't know was a filthy lesbian unless your character is female with either a certain amount of charisma or the cherchez la femme perk
>>334522356
>transgendered
THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
>>334526605
Shakespeare wasn't a lesbian dumbass, he was black
>>334527018
>he was black
source?
>>334525912
Dio Brando
>>334526563
See that's the thing, you aren't trans until you transition. Tumblr thinks you are trans if you "feel" you're a girl but are born a boy
I dont really care for LGBT stuff but lets put it this way
You an make a rotting tree a good character if you're actually a good writer.
>>334526538
Why does it surprise you? I hate any dickgrowth/futa stuff but I understand why people go for it, the aesthetics of dick are undeniable. And it isn't even entirely limited to us weeaboo degenerates, normie porn sites have tranny sections as well
I'd say there is a disconnect between what you jerk it to and what you'd put up with in society.
>>334526365
I think it's the idea that without some kind of struggle, people will find shit to complain about. We've lived in relative peace for a long time now, civil rights have come a long way. We have laws preventing all kinds of discrimination based on race and gender and shit. They have no cause to rally behind so they make shit up and try to speak for other groups
>>334527108
This is not ever remotely true lmao
>>334527078
Just crazy Isrealite bullshit.
Some of them claim that Hitler was black too.
They feel like their culture is inadequate and need to rewrite history so that whites never had a culture.
witcher 3 had a cool sidequest early on about gay werewolves, that was well done and the sexuality was actually woven into the dude being a werewolf as well
>>334526953
Ohhh, no. No, Betsy made it VERY clear she was a lesbian. When she introduces herself to you, regardless of your character's gender, she makes offhanded comments about some female trooper's ass. Twice. You don't even have to be doing that quest that's about solving her trauma.
Which I still think is fine, gay people can be horndogs too, but she was not reserved about it by any means.
Umineko did it pretty well.
>>334522356
They should learn to be seen and not heard.
>>334526538
One involves cute girls who happen to be male, played mainly for fetish appeal. The other involves mentally ill people who tend to either go nuts at the idea that they're not 100% the same as the opposite gender, or total freaks who think they're some magical third gender. It's not so much a contradiction, as it is two completely different things that happen to look similar from an uneducated standpoint.
>>334527209
TRANS IS SHORT FOR TRANSITION
YOU ARENT CONSIDERED TRANS UNTIL YOU TRANSITION
>>334527451
OKAY
>>334522356
Didn't everyone think Poison was a tranny for many years?
>>334525658
>>334525585
All the trannies I know in real life are clearly mentally unstable, getting their peginas in a twist if you ask what gender they're supposed to be, or if call them the wrong pronoun, or if look at them for too long, or if you don't look at them for too long, or if you laugh at the ridiculous shit they wear.
But I actually change my mind on the matter now that I remember >>334525779
>>334522356
No, because that would mean the game is a facet for the Jews, and Jews, as we all know, are trying to make us all infertile.
>>334527283
Ahh I don't remember that. It's been a while since I've played new vegas
Traps are disgusting irl. Every one I've seen has had a mustache and a deep as fuck man voice. Pic related, a mentally ill faggot.
I think that maybe sexuality shouldn't be a main focus of a video game
>>334525912
Salem and Rios from Army of Two.
>>334527585
How many trannies do you know?
>>334525912
Kanji Tatsumi
Despite the fact it was never confirmed what way he swung, Emperor is one of the best Social Links in the game
>>334522356
If I put a gay character in my video game there will be a principal that no one is allowed to acknowledge xhs existence via twitter/Facebook whatever or else I'll remove him
>>334526231
>>334526538
Futa is just two actual girls plus a dick, you get to have the cake and eat it too. I don't see how it's similar to real world trans in any way.
>>334527621
>cyberstalking
Damn I bet you love a good videogame
>>334527542
>think
im triggered
>>334527451
trans just means you identify as the opposing sex, it means fucking nothing about whether you have a dick or a vagina.
if a dude dresses up as a lady and demands everybody to say he's a women it makes them trans.
stupid gaijin.
>>334527685
Two, personally.
>>334522356
Yeah, sure. NV handled homosexuality pretty well. If other games could take its approach to having gay characters then why not?
Trannies make up an astronomically low percent of the overall population. You'd think with how fucking often they are in the news that like 30% of people are trannies, but it's likely less than 1%. I'd rather have a person with leprocy or elephantitis over trannies since it's more prevalent and isn't a special snowflake disorder.
>>334527585
You could've gotten the high suicide rate they have as an argument; but as you stand, it's a bit iffy.
For example, all the transgender/transexual people I know are pretty chill and will argue with you about the constitution of identity and so on.
Only if you find out via conversation with the character after you have gotten to know them.
If they let you know they are trans after just meeting them then it's fucking stupid.
>>334527451
No actually it's the prefix based on the Latin word for across/beyond
You know, like the many other words in English that begin with trans
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uQWQwxz.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
Only if Japan does it.
Enchanted Arms did it perfectly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z43NFPLuDm8
>>334527876
Well how many faggots do you know? Lets compare notes. Also, like >>334527832
said, there really aren't that many of them, so having them in a game at all just seems like pandering. The only reason I even know any is because I live in a very liberal area.
>>334527832
This is my biggest issue with the thing. I couldn't care less about what a person does with their life, or where they stick their dicks. it's only a problem when you hear about it 24/7 and everything's trying to market itself that way. I used to not give a shit about faggots and trannies and sexual orientation, but now I get pissed whenever someone brings it up because it's just selfish attentionwhoring. And I feel bad for the legitimately gay/trans people that have to get bunched up with those kinds of faggots simply because they're so fucking loud and obnoxious.
>>334525912
Daedric princes
>>334522356
I wouldn't care either way as long as bioshit isn't forcing it on us. I think gay characters like in the last of us is ok, but turning Kaiden into a homo because current year is not ok. The last of us came across as a real relationship where his sudden turn in ME seemed forced and not real.
>>334528196
But why should there be none of them at all? In vidya, in movies, books, televsion?
>>334525912
Veronica
>>334522845
u jelly
>>334527108
This literally isn't true.
You might be thinking of transexual which it someone who specifically went thru the surgery, but in general being trans doesn't imply hormones or surgery right away.
Even if they did they specifically bring up hormones and surgery in game after she comes out, so at that point you'd just be splitting hairs even if you were right.
She's trans which does impact her character, but she also deals with unrequited love and having to rationalize life and death whenMayuri dies. The way it all happens doesn't feel forced at all or like its pushing an agenda.
>>334522356
>put a trans character into your game
>make it a part of their character instead of the focus
>maybe slip in one line if you can ever conceive a way to bring that sort of thing up with the other characters
>try your hardest not to asspull some dumb ass reason to have them suddenly splurt out "I'M TRANS I WAS RAISED AS A MAN BUT I AM A WOMAN"
Oh hey, would you look at that. A character who happens to be trans and isn't rubbing it in your fucking face!
But this won't happen because it's about pushing an agenda, rather than making believable and interesting characters. So fuck it. Why do you even care?
>>334522356
Can anyone list some good TS/gay characters in videogames? I'm not starting shit I'm actually curious. I can only think of the gay dude from Mass Effect.
>>334527451
Trans is short for transgender (your gender is the opposite of your sex) or transexual (you've had surgery to change your sex)
And besides the first step of transitioning isn't medicine or surgery. Its generally coming out as wanting to do it followed by long therapy and psychological analysis.
>>334528697
Salem and Rios were gay?
>>334528587
I can only think of the ones from NV, but that's because I don't play that much vidya. Veronica, Arcade, the quartermaster in the Mojave Outpost and the entire Legion.
Only kidding, just most of the Legion.
>>334522356
They have to fit your criteria most of all but the problem is the spotlight. 10 years ago you could have a tranny or gay character that wouldn't be a huge deal because it wasn't in the pop culture spotlight. Look at Enchanted Arms. None of the complaints about that shitty game were about the flaming mo you had to listen to.
But now? It will feel like pandering and the odds are good devs ARE pandering. I have no problem with any well written character. It is odd how inclusive games feel they must be though. Trans are less than 5% of the population and are appearing in at least 50% of modern media. That's not accurate, it's pandering to win over the middle class white people that feel the need to be heroes for trans people. That distinction is really important. If it were to help trans go feel included, great. But no, it's to get applause from white guilt limp wristed retards.
>>334527643
>good characters
>army of literally who
>>334527082
My nigga.
>>334523646
It's a totally different thing when Japan does it, because they don't do it as a political statement or some progressive shoehorning of idyllic identity politics
Gatchaman Crowds, the show pic related comes from, is an SJW's wet dream in anime form, but because it's an anime it isn't a bunch of SJW propaganda, even if it's loaded gay and gender queer characters and undertones.
>>334528750
Yes my dear. Read the subtext.
>>334528910
What makes it different?
Maybe if it were something subtle, like if you snoop around their inventory and find hormone pills.
>>334528982
What subtext?
>>334528990
>what makes it different?
Read:
>they don't do it as a political statement or some progressive shoehorning of idyllic identity politics
Reading comprehension, you fuck. Don't read the first five words and then reply to someone.
>>334522356
it's okay to have any type of character with whatever orientation in a game so long as it isn't all in your face about it, and not the damn focus of whatever plot line that is concocted to have those types of characters in it. books have done this long before.
>>334529095
One, calm down. Two, how do you know it isn't a political statement? I mean, how is the context different?
>>334529082
Next time you play it listen carefully. Watch details.
>>334528068
this fucking game man,
>>334528805
>Trans are less than 5% of the population and are appearing in at least 50% of modern media
>and are appearing in at least 50% of modern media
That's not even remotely true
>>334525912
Glory.
>>334529214
Dude, just tell me. I'm not gonna pirate, install and play the whole game again.
I'm only okay with it if the game doesn't make a big deal about it.
>>334528579
>>try your hardest not to asspull some dumb ass reason to have them suddenly splurt out "I'M TRANS I WAS RAISED AS A MAN BUT I AM A WOMAN"
When has this actually happened?
>>334528990
>because they don't do it as a political statement or some progressive shoehorning of idyllic identity politics]
As in, the purpose is not to turn you gay, it's not even to make you empathetic to gay or trans characters, and it's not even the writer's or director's poorly hidden attempt at having some special snowflake symbol as a character, or their own self insert. It literally is just a show with those sorts of characters in it, because it adds to colorful aesthetic and modern setting, as well as largely being a product of cultural differences between alien and human races (OD and Katze are the gayest characters in the show and they're not from earth)
>>334529314
That's hard to explain subtext.
>>334529379
Then what the fuck is the point of bringing it up if you have no evidence?
>>334528389
Couldn't give a fuck less about books and TV, but I vidya can't make well-written trannies. With exceptions, like Gwyndolin
>>334524587
Veronica from New Vegas is another good example I think. She never just flat out says "BTW I'm a lesbian," she only mentions it if you ask about her love life and even then she doesn't go "Oh well I'm a lesbian and..." she just talks about it normally and doesn't stop to qualify the fact that she's referring to her ex as "she." Plus it actually goes with her character, how she has difficulties with the BoS and there's an unspoken expectation for her to have kids which is another source of friction for her, however small.
>>334522356
>v/, is it ever okay to have a transgendered or gay character in your game?
It happen to Guild Wars 2 and I have a deep hatred of Trans and that SJW fat bitch writer ever since. They took a good lore and story in Guild Wars 1 and fucking it all up for their PROGRESSIVE bullshit.
>>334529429
Anon asked about gay characters. I provide a gay couple in video game. I don't want to convince you. You can google it and read people trying to explain. It's really subtle and my English is too broken to explain that complex thing.
>>334529164
Because they've been doing it for at least 30 years withoutgenerally speakingflaunting gay or transwhatever characters in anyone's faces. They use them as characters firstagain generally speakingand political statements never.
The only reason I say "generally speaking" is because the trap characters they employ are usually made to be just that, and in more than a few cases belong to somewhat terrible subject matter anyway. You don't load up an episode of some anime and have a character launch into a 15 minute diatribewith adsabout their struggle being accepted as the opposite gender.
I mean, it's a case to case basis, but when the Japs do it, it's usually as a way of fleshing the character out more. Westerners are going coo-coo for SJW-puffs and do it as a way to pander to people.
>>334529370
>the purpose is not to turn you gay
I don't even know what to say to this. What video game, what thing from ANY medium of entertainment, is "trying to make you gay"? Also,
>because it adds to colorful aesthetic and modern setting
I feel like that's what a lot of Western video game developers/film directors/authors are also trying to do. Why do they have to be pushing an agenda and not the Japanese?
>>334529164
>Two, how do you know it isn't a political statement?
Because the creators didn't say it was, unlike western creators do with their works and characters. Another way of putting it is that if it were a political statement the people involved in those politics would be all over it, in the way that SJW tumblrinas just love progressive cartoons like Steven Universe and Gravity Falls
See: anthony burch
![46497[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OxuTRib.jpg "46497[1].jpg")
>>334529164
It's easy to tell when something is not done as a political statement. When someone's gay in anime or Japanese games, it's something that was done because it adds to the series instead of "YOU MUST THINK THIS WAY". The characters aren't victimized or given huge focus, they're just there.
>>334529645
Because it's okay when Japan does it.
>>334529334
Probably not a single time. I was just saying that that would be one of the acceptable ways of going about it.still haven't found a game made in the west that does so though
>>334529645
>I don't even know what to say to this.
What is hyperbole?
>Why do they have to be pushing an agenda
Are you implying they aren't? Because they frankly admit that they are.
You have revealed what side of things you are on through this shallow facade of playing devil's advocate, and I will not be replying again. It's one thing to explain yourself, it's another to explain simple things to someone who obviously is baiting you into something and wasting your time as you are me and others.
If you really want the long answer try watching Gatchaman Crowds if you want to see what a character that really is "just gay" or "just trans" looks like. Something tells me you'd like it, fag
>>334529803
>>334529642
I guess I just have to start delving into Japanese culture more, because I'm really not seeing a huge deviation. Yes, Westerners like Anthony Burch exist, and they should be condemned, but there are also Westerners that aren't Anthony Burch. I feel like a lot of this vitriol over the subject is exasperation from both sides.
>>334530063
The fuck, man? I'm trying to have a legitimate conversation over this.
>>334522356
Sexual orientation is something that doesn't really need to be touched upon in most games.
>>334527643
Was this game good? I rented it from gamefly years ago and I remembered it being fun at least
>>334522356
it's fine to have transgender characters but only if they are well written and subtle, it's kind of insulting when a characters first line is "im a transgender" or something
>>334530063
How are you any better than "SJW panderers" for shutting the argument down like this?
>>334527283
Wasn't her comrades talking about how she's gotten a lot more upfront about her hitting on people to overcompensate for what happened to her? And they were clearly uncomfortable about it.
>>334530620
Yes. Her CO stated as much.
>>334522356
Honestly I don't like gay characters that just "Oh hey here's this character and he happens to be gay lol", I prefer when the fact that they are gay effects their character.
A good example is Niles from FE fates, he's bi so he's constantly flirting with characters, no matter their gender, and constantly makes innuendos that hint at the fact he's gay/bi.
>>334530118
Extremism very often pushes people to the opposite extreme.
So thanks to lunatic SJWs like Cuckburch putting token gay/trans/black/etc characters into everything, people are pushing back and hate ALL gay/trans/whatever stuff in games.
SJWs have hurt "diverse representation" more than anything. A few (like 4 or 5) years ago you could have a brown girl as your protagonist and there wouldn't be much complaint. Now if you were to do that there are people from all sides either claiming that the mere act of having a brown girl is SJW tokenism, or SJWs claiming that "you're not doing enough" and all these people just generally bringing the culture war into your corner of life.
Can you make a good gay/trans character? Sure. Definitely. But we're at a point right now that it's pretty dangerous to try.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3h6es6zh1c
The entirety of the SJW gay representation narrative right here
>>334530778
I see your point, but the blame should be going to both sides, not just the "cuck" side. I mean, you can't even have a constructive argument over this without somebody losing their shit and just shutting the whole thing down.
>>334530778
>A few (like 4 or 5) years ago you could have a brown girl as your protagonist and there wouldn't be much complaint.
Oh man, don't forget the extremists that would call that as much as "culture appropriation" now. I'm not even sure which side they'd fall under.
Or the ones that expect you to be diverse even if you're making something about a period of history where those people purely didn't exist where you're writing about.
It's pretty fucked, all around.
>>334530998
oh I'm not saying otherwise. It's definitely a case where both extremes are bad. I mean, one side showed up first, but both really make it hard to meet in the middle on anything
I don't really care, but it's ok if the character is actually well-written instead of it being forced in.
>>334530875
I like that show.
>>334531048
There are basically two sides to this whole argument:
Side A: Put gays, transgendered, lesbians, and all nationalities and religions (except Christian) into a piece of work, regardless of what it is, in overwhelming amounts. If your game/movie/etc. has a straight white male (or even female in some instances) you're not being diverse and you're basically Hitler.
Side B: The cast of a piece of work must be primarily white with any women or minorities in secondary roles. Everyone is either straight or the issue never comes up so they are presumed straight. If you have gay, trans, or minority characters in primary roles you're a pandering SJW who wants to push their agenda and subjugate men
>>334531263
I think people are starting to get sick of all the hardcore /pol/ shit, now. The whole "cuck" thing kind of pushed it over the edge.
Because if the character didn't tell you they were trans, you'd never know they had different sex organs. Literally hundreds of NPCs in games you played could have been trans and you never knew.
Thus, you really have two options. Have a character who's really, visually obviously trans, like pic related, or make it invisible and just tell the player in the instruction manual or during interview about the game, ala Poison or Dumbledore.
>>334532037
people have BEEN tired of hardcore /pol/ shit for a while now. They just got brushed aside because posting le epic evil jew and calling people cuck was the hot new meme. And now with this election you have both sides firing up to fever pitch and the extremism is seen as normal.
>>334532326
I just want the election to be over. It's getting to the point where I don't really care who I'm calling the president.
>>334527876
The problem is that instead of actually doing a proper job, psychologists are only yes-men.
M2F surgery and transition is an extremely lucrative business.
Gender-dysphoria is also very, very rare, but thanks to PC-culture, we have tons of people who get misdiagnozed.
"Fuck, I'm actually gay, not in the wrong body" they think 2 years down the line and "what the fuck have I done with my body" before they kill themselves.
It's a fucking crime that so little work is put into helping people like that.
>>334532113
I don't feel like there should be a rule or expectation that an LGBT character can't mention it at all or have it be part of their character or story.
I feel like just having it be word of god or supplemental material revealing it outside of the work is a really weak option. If you want them to be LGBT then have the balls to have them be it in the work itself. It also leaves less room for argument by the fans about it.
>>334522356
No. It is never okay.
Unless I want to fuck them, then it's ok.
>>334532530
If you reveal it in the work, then /v/ flips its shit about how "ALL THEY EVER TALK ABOUT IS THEIR GENDER REEEEEEEE"
>>334532671
Stop caring what /v/ thinks.
I gotta stop caring, too.
>>334532530
I feel the only way it would work gay character to flat out say they're gay is if they were in the closet before, and for some reason they trust the character you play as enough to tell them.
>>334522356
What good will it do to the game? It is going to make it look better? Play better? Seriously, what do you get from it?
>>334522356
As far as I know, only Obsidian have managed to make a decent gay character yet.
Then again, I mostly only play 4x games so I wouldn't know much about this.
>>334530554
This.
If your sexuality or gender is actually the biggest thing about you, then you're one hell of a flat character.
>>334529235
There's some sort of name for this phenomenon, where just one example out of thousands sticks out and makes idiots think its eveywhere. Dunno what the name is though.
>>334532453
Well, when the real problem psychologists have to deal with shows up, they're never up to it. It's pretty much a joke, since it's actually fucking hard to determine if the person is actually identifying as another gender through genetics or first stages of education or they have social pressure through badly understood concepts and irresponsible politics spewed in their skulls (aka Tumblr).
It's really interesting, because if you ask for conceptual information in those sites, chances are they are never ever going to have a reasoned argument about some important shit, like gender or sexuality, EVEN THOUGH you can reach the fact that transgenderism can actually be through the liberalization of gender roles in western society and thus education. Better listen and believe, tho.
>>334522356
>>334522510
It's fucking easy, lads.
Make a fun FPS game with good humour.
Lets put a fucking genderfluid person in, kids love that shit.
"Hi, I'm Dave. Wait! Nah, Cindy. Wait! Call me Tim!"
Interchange different names each time he's addressed, have him have obvious fake tits a fat ass long hair that looks great but then a load of stubble
It'll be great.
>>334533094
Yeah, every character should just have a blankface and neutral skin color.
>>334523389
Wabisabi, nigga.
>>334533485
DELETE THIS
>>334533520
Because people aren't naturally born with different skin colors right? They need to get surgery and be giant attention whotes right?
>>334533485
The only major difference Im seeing between the first picture and the picture where hes in the blue and purple dress are the eyebrows. And his skin is a little lighter I guess. As for his hair, I couldve just grown it out anyway. What exactly did the hormones do? Did they just morph his eyebrows?
>>334533795
being trans is quite literally a mental disease so yes they are born that way
>>334522356
What's the difference between the right and the left of pic related?
Long time ago, some anon made this as a thread and one of the replies spelled it out pretty well: "one is tumblr pandering, the other is cute girls being cute".
Got me thinking more about why one is pandering while the other is normal, and I think I got a good hold on it.
The problem comes down to lack of experience with the subject.
Currently, it's a big deal to have a gay or trans character. As such, that defines their character.
Likewise, current writers that want to write gay/trans characters have experienced and want to write about DA STRUGGLE OF MUH RIGHTS which is just boring at this point.
Given time, both these problems will fade. Saturation will make these characters not a big deal, which will allow for more subtle ones to be made more often,
and writers who grew up with gay/trans being a normal thing/not a big deal will come about and know how to make a realistic/relatable gay person in their products.
>>334522356
How about just a feminine boy who likes to dress up as woman?to trick men into giving him free shit
>>334533795
You're a giant attention whote and I fucked your dad last night.
In all seriousness, variety is the spice of life. I realize that's dangerously close to the famous Anthony Burch line, but the difference here is that the trans/gay/whatever the fuck character would be well-written and not shoehorned in like how they are in BL2.
>>334533870
I think he may have grown itty bitty titties like a 10 year old girl.
>>334533870
I don't know.
>>334534275
That really is the same face with marginally lighter skin and trimmed eyebrows.
I know he looks really different but thats just because of the hair. People can look very different with different air.
>>334534136
If I have enough CHA, can I convince him to become my cumtoilet?
>>334522356
I was slightly triggered when I found out "she" was trans, but I got over. "Her" character made the game a bit enjoyable.
>>334534641
>using quotes around female pronouns
This needs to stop. This is the most fucking edgelord thing.
"I'm gonna call this person who very obviously identifies and presents as female a 'he' because I know the person is biologically male"
It reeks of "17 year old who just found /pol/"
If you cut 2 legs off of a spider, would it become an ant?
Trans - mutilated man/woman
Also DA:I tried it and it was fucking laughable
>>334535175
Or maybe is just someone who wants to avoid the 20 >she replies
>>334535245
That's because it was DA:I.
>>334535409
>ctrl+f
> ">she"
>1 result, your fucking post
You're not on /pol/ or /gif/ you don't need to worry about autists, man.
>>334535563
Precisely because that anon wrote "she" and not she, don't fucking pretend that doesn't happen here
>>334535563
Well, normally you do, but this thread seems to have simmered down. I think actually talking about this stuff instead of spouting memes out our asses helped.
>>334522356
It's okay. I don't hate it, but as long as they're not using progressivity to shore up any faults in gameplay/story/etc.
Don't use it as a narrative crutch either
>>334535756
that's what I'm saying, this thread is relatively memefag free so I think it's safe to not use quotes for "she"
>>334535949
>she
>>334535949
>she
>>334522356
is there any reason to talk about their gender in your game?
No: Then they can be trans if they want, but don't fucking talk about it.
Yes: Then they can talk about it in conversations where it is relevant.
Its not fucking rocket surgery.
>>334536182
>>334536270
good job being spiteful cunts
>>334522356
i dont care at all, as long as the game isnt spouting SJW shit at me.
if the character is gay or trans or whatever, it isnt a big deal. whats annoying is when they harp on and on about their struggle and their entire character becomes defined by their sexuality. HEY JUST LIKE REAL LIFE
>>334536635
Is just playful banter anon
>>334536635
>she
>>334536707
>if the character is gay or trans or whatever, it isnt a big deal. whats annoying is when they harp on and on about their struggle and their entire character becomes defined by their sexuality
When has this happened?
>>334536924
Any game wherein they mention it within 3 lines of meeting them; so basically all of them.
there's only 2 ways to have a character who can be identified as transgendered in the game.
Either you make it obviously a man and call it a woman (or the other way around) or you make a character that looks and sounds like a man or a woman, but has obnoxious in your face dialogue that'd never come up naturally to tell you that they are actually something different.
Trans characters would be nice
>>334537174
I asked for an actual example
Gays are fine, as long as they stay away from kids.
Trannies can get fucked though. My rule of thumb is if someone decided to pump themselves full of chems and mess with there genitals they aren't right in the head.
>>334537249
I think i gave many?
Most recently Mizhena, who does just that immediately after saying hello.
>>334537295
>Gays are fine, as long as they stay away from kids
?
>>334524964
is that a bulge:3
>>334537174
Well, you could get that from Veronica and Arcade within a few lines, too. It's just how video game dialogue works, it's not exactly true-to-life. Nor should it be.
![influence1[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/r5VMmBs.gif "influence1[1].gif")
>>334537546
>>334537295
I mess with my genitals every night, you gonna start a crusade against me, christfag?
>>334537543
>I think I gave many
no, you said "basically all of them" with no concrete examples.
and Mizhena is so maligned that she's having her dialogue rewritten
>>334537543
In that example, you're not even allowed to have the character urgency to say anything but positive things about it, too.
That's probably the most glaring example in recent months that I can think of.
>>334537546
Just a dumb Conservative saying dumb Conservative things
>>334536924
>>334537249
i dont have specific examples because i dont usually play games with a lot of character development like rpgs or whatever. I'm just saying that it would annoy me if i came across it.
are you gonna keep trying to pull an OPINION apart by trying to play on technicalities or can you just accept that some things annoy people and some things dont?
>>334522356
Trannies are only okay in video games when they're not really trannies and just cute boys wearing skirts
I should probably have mentioned I'm gay
>>334537546
It's like black americans and crime
Small population, large percentage
>>334537736
>implying I'm religious
I just don't like trannies
>>334537857
See, don't start with that. I disagree with him, but you're only adding fuel to the fire by making blanket statements like this. We've been doing good so far.
>>334522356
Yeah, but many people don't do that and think simply pushing the agenda is going to help.
>>334522510
It's never actually said that Erika is a tranny in Catherine. They just drop hints. Even the virgin never outright says it. He just says she used to be Eric.
It's honestly the best way to do it, but no western game is gonna do it right, because they're so preoccupied with pointing it out for brownie points with minorities that they don't have a single ounce of tact left in them.
>>334538029
>It's like black americans and crime
>Small population, large percentage
How does that explain the kid thing?
>>334525912
Fiona from The Longest Journey
>>334537960
You said
>whats annoying is when they harp on and on about their struggle and their entire character becomes defined by their sexuality. HEY JUST LIKE REAL LIFE
As in, you get annoyed by it when you see it. /v/ blows this shit way out of proportion, the only example people can give of a tranny forcing their identity on you is a single one line NPC
>>334535175
And you being so assblasted about that little detail reeks of "17 year old who just found tumblr".
I know you're probably not serious because pretending to be a tumblrina is the new pretending to be a retard, but do trans people really expect people on the internet to change as to not offend them?
>>334538170
It doesn't, he's just retarded and parroting some opinion he heard on the internet
>>334538170
Homosexual men account for single digit % of general population, responsible for a disproportionate % of child molestation.
>http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=is02e3
Just like I said with afro-americans and crime
I've not even mentioned the 'pozzing' shit
>>334538320
i get annoyed by it IRL, so i assume that if i encountered it in game it would annoy me just as much.
the problem is when characters make themselves one dimensional by defining themselves by which genitals they like in their mouth. its not that they are gay. its that gay is ALL they are.
zevran (or whatever) in dragon age origins was a gay/bi character done right. he usually made no reference to his sexuality and on occasion would hit on you or other characters. but he had OTHER shit to talk about besides that.
does that clarify my position?
>>334538583
and when i say "characters" i should stipulate i mean people/movie characters/hypothetical video game chars/tv chars
>>334530063
Wow an unironic triggering happened.
This isn't directly related to this thread but I am an author writing a story that has a female main protagonist and I'm going to be pissed off if just because of that people label me as an SJW boogeyman.
Its like I specifically need some dude to beat the shit out of her or rape her at some point just to deflect such a criticism, but then the people who label me as such might never intend to actually read the book anyways so it doesn't matter. She doesn't do anything a capable female couldn't do in real life, without a bit of luck and quick thinking. It isn't like I have her beating the shit out of trained soldiers or anything stupid like that.
>>334539246
people dont necessarily hate characters for being female/gay whatever. just look at motoko kusanagi. everyone fucking loves that character probably because she IS a kickass female.
may i ask what your protagonist does? what the setting is?
>>334539246
>She doesn't do anything a capable female couldn't do in real life, without a bit of luck and quick thinking
Lel.
Anyway, give her flaws. Not just ones that are masturbatory either, like a temper. She should lose sometimes, she doesn't need to be a stronk women don't need no man handle everything by myself.
>>334539574
Motoko is a robot and even still it borders on masturbation.
>>334538556
>Family Research Council
>Tony Perkins
Nice confirmation bias, broseph. My turn: http://journals.lww.com/jrnldbp/Fulltext/2016/04000/Same_Sex_and_Different_Sex_Parent_Households_and.1.aspx
>story and characters matter in games
>>>/tv/, children.
