>John Romero, the legendary visionary behind the Wolfenstein, Doom, and Quake franchises is hard at work on a new shooting game. Though he’s worked on games that have become the basis for all of the modern first-person shooters we enjoy today, he claims his upcoming game will be "something that hasn’t been seen before."
>"Shooters have so many places to go, but people just copy the same thing over and over because they’re afraid to try something new. We’ve barely scratched the surface.”
>“I’m really excited to start making it because it’s just such a great idea. Instead of just pumping out game after game after game, it’s like waiting to come up with something that’s really unique, that no-one’s seen before, and enables you to make something that you hope will be really amazing. So, we’ll see. It’s got a pretty cool fiction around it. It’s got an interesting story."
>“Call of Duty is enough of a deathmatch game to keep people coming back to it year after year, but the design isn’t breaking people’s brains – it’s expected, in the same way Madden is. You see it, you know what it is, and you know the next iteration is going to be like the previous one but in a different location, maybe a different time period. It’ll have guns and a lot of the same features.”
>“I don't want to talk about it because it's a really cool idea, it's a unique idea,” he said. “I've never seen a game like it."
Sooo.. what is it /v/ ?
>daikatana 2.0
wew lads
did that hack fraud ever do the stream where he was supposed to play it?
THE MOST INNOVATING SHOOTER I'VE PLAYED IN YEARS 2
Let's not overhype this.
>>334483306
>hack fraud
surely you mean Carmack
>>334482924
Funnily enough, new Black Ops game showed how FPS genre can move forward - by implementing parkour elements. However they had no skill needed to make good vertical map design but it is the only way to innovate and with an emphasis on single player it could work.
Romero would probably make a fast paced FPS with good map design but nothing revolutionary.
Will he make us is bitch?
Will he make me his bitch again?
>>334483617
It's going to be multiplayer only with 64+ players in one big map. Romero talked before about how doing something like that would be his dream game
>>334483786
his* sorry
>>334483841
Sounds like lazy design.
>>334483617
>Funnily enough, new Black Ops game showed how FPS genre can move forward - by implementing parkour elements
> brink and titanfal don't exist
>>334483370
>Are developers running out of ways to reinvent the shooter? Romero thinks there is a lot more left in the genre.
>“Take something like World of Warcraft – what if that was a shooter? You have a giant world full of quests, and tons of people with PvP already in the game. If World of Warcraft was a shooter, that would be brand new – nobody would have seen something that big and that cool."
>“And it wouldn’t be anything like WoW because of the nature of being a shooter – it would probably concentrate on a lot of areas that were similar to Team Fortress 2. Perhaps villages would become like TF2 levels, where you would try to score as much as you could before deciding to move on. Or that area would have specific goals, like taking out five snipers and two demo guys to retrieve some key items. Perhaps once you’ve exhausted that village, you could go to another one down the road. And maybe the planet’s full of them – nobody’s played a game like that."
He might be onto something here. I've never heard of any concept of a video game like this before :^)
Pic related, what will reinvent the fps
>>334483519
no i mean romero, see what happened the second romero went on his own and didn't have carmack's tech to back him up
>>334482924
So Romero would like to make Dwarf Fortress of FPS games in a sense that it is a creator's franchise that stands the test of time and is infinitely moldable but forgets that DF's strength comes from the fact that it is not burdened by visuals.
I'd say it is possible, some games like TF2 will never look bad and I'm confused as to why more creators didn't opt for tinkering with franchises instead of going for sequels.
>>334483617
>Funnily enough, new Black Ops game showed how FPS genre can move forward - by implementing parkour elements.
>the new Black Ops game showed
>im-fucking-plying
>>334483306
Seriously though did this stream ever happen?
>>334484042
Brink had shit for movement, it was among the slowest of FPS games and chokepoints were everywhere. Titanfall was an extremely sluggish game that revolved around getting into mechs rather than traversing the terrain.
Black Ops did new movement scheme somewhat successfully unlike those dead games.
>>334484098
If you're acting all smart, why not go back to at least Mirror's Edge? Because when you enter a mech in Titanfall it's only a zoom mode.
It's not that surprising to know that someone who took vidya in one direction because of a couple of ideas would have a couple more ideas that would lead in different directions. I'm just curious which way he's gone.
>>334482924
I hope it'll be a Doom clone with all the refinement modern technology allows.
It's pretty sad the genre died and the more similar games we've ever had are the fucking Metroid Prime series, it's especially weird there hasn't be any kickstarter appelling to nostalgia for another fast paced fps, with focus on complex level design and enemy placement.
>>334484206
>Black Ops did new movement scheme somewhat successfully unlike those dead games.
That only means that BO was able to execute it successfully. It doesn't mean it came up with something new to move the genre foward.
>>334484051
he did have carmack's tech to back him up
what he didn't have was the rest of id instead of some randos from the internet
>>334484318
Execution = proof of concept = new trend. Brink nearly killed parkour gameplay. In Titanfall you were powered by futuristic farts, you didn't traverse shit.
>>334484453
>Execution = proof of concept
>>334484051
He founded Ion Storm, one of the best video game studios ever while Carmack spoke corporate gibberish at Quakecon and drove id to the ground with megatextures, then went off to work for Panopticon Jew?
Let me guess, it's another shit arena shooter, probably F2P with microtransactions and a Steam Early Access launch.
>>334484043
>I've never heard of any concept of a video game like this before :^)
Planetside 2.
>>334484521
Founding a studio that produces something great doesn't mean shit though
>>334484570
>another shit arena shooter
>another
what
>>334482924
hopefully it will be that medieval melee fps quake was supposed to be
>>334484206
> Black Ops did new movement scheme somewhat successfully unlike those dead games.
> parkour boils down to a few designated parkour strips per map
> implying this is good implementation
>>334484043
>no one has ever played Farcry
>>334482924
i think he's just talking out of his ass, it wont be anything special
>>334484521
Romero's Ion Storm Dallas made three games. One was good, one was shit and I don't even remember the third one.
You're thinking of Ion Storm Austin, founded by Warren Spector.
>>334484624
It's not like he was a designer there or anything!
>>334484897
Storm Over Gift? It was bold.
>>334484521
It's hardly even a contest, really.
>>334485061
Doom 3 is still the ultimate franchise killer.
>>334485061
Except that Romero had nothing to do with Deus Ex or Thief 3. Those were the result of Spector bringing over Looking Glass staff.
>>334485012
The only game romero had any hand in was daikatana. Such genius
Suck it down!
Romero is the only reason Doom is good so fuck off.
>>334485386
Undenying Truth
>>334483841
Mag did this with 256 players. Nothing new. Too bad that games servers went offline. I enjoyed it.
>>334482924
>>334484043
I hope he's not turning into Molyneux
>>334484265
>it's especially weird there hasn't be any kickstarter appelling to nostalgia for another fast paced fps, with focus on complex level design and enemy placement.
theres that Strafe game, it actually looks good, for me at least. Of course levels are procedurally generated so it is different than quake in someways
>>334485521
>procedural generation in anything other than Minecraft / DF
won't even look that game up
>>334485386
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygp4-kmjpzI&list=PLIhLvue17Sd6u2akeZZdYVBxNtfWZPm5W&index=13
amazing stuff
>>334485386
Episode 1 of Doom 1, which all the levels were his except the final level, was the most memorable. He also released his own take of the final level recently which surprised a lot of people.
>>334483519
Carmack just codes
>>334485754
badly
>>334484265
>it's especially weird there hasn't be any kickstarter appelling to nostalgia for another fast paced fps
You know why? Because that's an extremely niche genre and even then people probably wouldnt give a shit, I play a bit of doom almost every day and I wouldnt pay money for another game like that because doom is already literally perfect with 2 decades of mods backing it up. You cant beat that so why even try
>>334484043
>> Original ideas
Were Carmack and Romero ever real friends?
>>334486116
They all were.
>>334485952
>Romero isn't a visionary
>>334486116
Yeah, he had Romero's axe
>>334486116
Supposedly
>>334482924
it could be good if he isn't retarded
his recent doom map clearly shows he still has level design down (he totally went overboard on damaging floors there though)
Most of you guys are acting like you know romero and carmack more than everyone else and jumping to conclusions
kids these days
>>334486343
>his recent doom map
Link?
>>334486381
I AM ROMERO AND CARMACK YOU PIG DOG SCUM FUCK
>>334486434
https://twitter.com/romero/status/688054778790834176
>>334483617
>a fast paced FPS with good map design but nothing revolutionary
I'd pay $60 for that. Map design in FPS is extremely underrated these days. Maybe there's plenty of attention being given to aesthetics and detail, but the layouts themselves are fucking dull compared to Romero's work in Doom and Quake. Not to mention all the scripted events and canned animation sequences breaking up the action.
its a shit game
>>334487359
>not even revealed or confirmed
>shit game
god i love /v/
>>334487452
>Hasn't made a game in 16 years
>Last game made was Daikatana
>"Design is Law"
>"something something Make Bitch"
>"Take something like World of Warcraft – what if that was a shooter?"
You're right, this has "amazing" written all over it.
>b-b-but daikatana
get over it already
>>334487690
just give him a chance, once the game is revealed then let's say if its shit or not
Just Sayin'
>>334487823
This
Seriously, it's like second chances are non-existent to these dumb-fucks
>>334485923
>FPS
>niche genre
>>334482924
He already tried kickstarter once with "Old-School RPG" (the pinnacle of lazy), didn't work then won't work now.
Romero is a hack who just happened to be at the right place at the right time. Left to his own device he can't do shit.
>>334487320
Blame Valve for this, Half Life was the cancer that introduced modern design trends.
>>334484206
>Titanfall was an extremely sluggish game that revolved around getting into mechs rather than traversing the terrain.
Confirmed for never having played Titanfall. Titanfall has you actually going speedier than BLOPS.
>>334487960
he meant arena shooter
>>334487984
means of traversal =/= speed
>>334487827
The only reason this is getting favorable coverage is because he's John Romero. He's doing an announcement of an announcement. If Molyneux pulled this to hype a game, he'd be justifiably torn yet another new asshole.
>>334487917
Cry more
>>334488007
>first person view
>shootan' shit
>somehow not part of the FPS genre
>>334482924
>the same way Madden is
How out of touch is this guy?
Maps started getting smaller due to console limitations, and user limitations (console players don't want convoluted map design because it might mean they'd have to actually look around instead of just keep advancing forward thru rooty tooty shooty corridor), and developers wanting everyone to NOT be able to miss anything (secrets used to be called secrets because the developers never expected all players to find their dev shrine area where they had 80s hair metal play at FULL BLAST because THE JUUUUUUUNGLE WELCOME TO THE JUUUUUUUUNGLE YAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!)
>>334488327
>b-b-but le daikatana
anon, jesus christ
>>334488359
how can you be this stupid?
do you see a difference between quake and call of duty? No? Please: do not procreate.
>>334487974
>Romero is a hack who just happened to be at the right place at the right time. Left to his own device he can't do shit.
To be fair he accomplished a lot in his youth, in spite of his step-father (when he got rich on doom, stepfather even admitted he was wrong to dissuade romero from vidya).
It's just after Doom that he became an Idea Guy, and even then he was acknowledged as the best level designer.
You guys should really read Masters of Doom
>>334488581
You Expect /v/ to listen to reason?
>>334487960
Fast-paced fps with projectile-based attacks and complex level design is niche
How many games like that are on the market right now that are not purely multiplayer? Exactly
>>334488412
>implying Madden shovelware isnt the same shit shoveled out every year with a shiny new coat of paint
oh hi EA shill, shouldnt you be marketing battlefront or that other garbage bioware game that no one asked for?
>>334487978
Somebody was gonna do it eventually, I blame halo way more than I ever would blame half life 1
>>334487974
This.
>>334488497
yet another mindless casualty of John Romero's luscious locks
ignorance is bliss I suppose
>>334488581
I read masters of doom and beyond also revealing that on top of being a hack he's also an unbelievable douchebag it doesn't add anything. And to be fair, as far as douchebaggery goes most of id were guilty of it (they literally stole and cheated and kicked out their own friends just to make more money). But at least I still respect Carmack because he's a clever programmer. Romero has no saving grace.
>>334488784
I meant that people used to complain about Madden and forgot about it a few years ago. Take a break, /pol/.
>>334488541
thats funny, you claimed arena shooters are part of a niche genre
>>334488952
>I still respect Carmack because he's a clever programmer
I'm gonna have to stop you right there
>>334483306
I remember when that poll was posted on /v/. did the stream happen? did romero make us his bitch?
>>334488952
so anon, how much does Bethesda pay you?
>>334482924
I unironically, seriously can't fucking wait!
Please, Romero, you are our only hope. Deliver us from the consoleshit fps that is Halo, COD and D44M. Bring back fps.
>>334489035
Arena shooters are niche. There's maybe a few thousands playing them today. Do you think halo is an arena shooter?
>>334489097
what, are you gonna say carmack is not clever and in fact a fraud? do you have brain problems? did you know that he used to, and probably still does, do literal rocket science as a hobby?
>Deep sea shooter
>>334484043
We get WoW and make it a shooter but also make it MINECRAFT but with the branching storylines like Mass Effect
Nobodys played a game like that.
>>334489213
Rocket Science aint gonna bring us good games
>legendary visionary behind the Wolfenstein, Doom, and Quake franchises
lol fuck off
>>334489297
moving goal posts already, you are a master internet debater i see
>/v/ Talks shit about romero
>months later
>Romero Reveals his work
>/v/ hypes
>forgets about daikatana
i can see this happening
>>334482924
like CoD but with guns
>>334489213
there he is
the carmack rocket scientist memer
didn't you people move on to elon musk?
>>334488952
>(they literally stole and cheated and kicked out their own friends just to make more money)
i wouldn't say it was about the money, by the time romero was kicked off, it was foremost because of a split in ideological differences between Carmack and Romero (and others within the team like American McGee) and secondly office politics (iD was pretty much centered on carmack's ability to code new engines).
>>334484098
>titanfall
>im-fucking-plying
>>334483519
Carmack was the code mage that gave ID the tools to create great games. You can clearly see ID worked as a team, as any attemps to make the next big doom failed once they split up
Doom 3 and Quake 4 had Carmack backing up the tech aspect, and they more than delivered as technical achievements but still sucked design wise
Romero solo attempt bombed hard.
It's just not the same and will never be
>>334489209
anon, are you literally autistic?
the game still takes place in a first person PoV, while you shoot shit, its still an FPS.
Just cause the game's setting is in an arena doesn't suddenly make it not an FPS.
I think what you're looking to say is that "arena setting is niche"
>>334489493
post Romero id games were notable technological failures culminating with Rage which sunk the studio. All Carmack's work.
>>334489213
which rocket journal did john carmack submit papers to?
>>334489542
You must be underage to be claiming Doom 3 and Quake 4 weren't technological achievements of their time.
I can concede RAGE and the mega textures meme, but not Quake 4 and Doom 3
>>334489446
>i wouldn't say it was about the money
go look at adrian carmack's departure from id
>>334489542
>technological failures
>id tech 4
>>334489650
quake 4 wasn't a technological anything
it was just id tech 4 with new netcode, because doom 3's netcode was retarded
>>334489497
What are subgenres? Litereally nowhere other than your posts was it even implied that it isn't an fps
go od on your autism meds
>>334489650
Doom 3 kind of was if you look at it from the perspective that one autistic faggot was almost entirely responsible for it, if you look at the bigger picture there was the CryEngine and the Source engine which it competed with and lost horribly against. Quake 4 was not. What are you babbling about?
>>334489213
Doing rocketry and doing rocket science are actually two very separate fucking things. Teaching yourself basics of rocket engineering isn't hard and there are quite literally thousands of people who do that every day across the world. Carmack himself is not actually personally working on any of the Armadillo projects either: he merely funds the organization. The actual science is done by other other people.
Carmack is no genius, as it becomes rather painfully obvious when you see him talk, or look at the games and actually even his own stances towards game design are pretty fucking stupid. He was good at his job, he was a good programer, I guess he has a good head on math and engineering, but that is about it.
>>334489687
how many licensees of id tech 4 were there, anon-kun
>>334489845
>Carmack is no genius, as it becomes rather painfully obvious when you see him talk
I don't think you have ever seen him talk then
>>334489660
oh shit i forgot about him.
yeah that was really fucked up.
>>334489660
what happened
>>334489879
>appeal to popularity
>>334489920
I've seen him speak multiple times, both in lectures and in interviews, and the guy is a regular nerd and a program monkey. He does not know shit about shit outside of that and a bit of engineering. And even there, as competent as he is (or was, considering that everything he touched past the split was a fucking unmedicated disaster), he is no savant or amazingly brilliant mind either.
>>334489569
the megatexture journal of forensic gaming
>>334489542
Rage was anything but a technical failure.
>>334489845
This. Carmack is a slightly above average autist. He himself admitted that deisgning the Doom3 engine was the epitome of his abilities.
It's the memester fagglet kids like >>334489920 who picked up all the ironic worshipping threads about him and took them for serious. It's like that Descartes quote. Carmack has become a living meme.
>>334490176
Rage was the most notable technical failure in the history of video games. Well, apart from VtmB.
In a twit Romero said Adr1ft was a great game. How out of touch is him?
>>334482924
>Angels working in Heaven on teleportation technology unwittingly open a portal to Earth and a horde of Humans come through taking over the research facility in Heaven.
>You're the last Archangel and it's your job to seal the portal to Earth to prevent the Humans from taking over Heaven.
>>334490298
That looks nice
>>334487690
>still going on about the bitch advertisement
Romero never had any input in that. It was all publishing advertisement.
>>334490368
it was still an awesome ad tho, wont see shit like this nowadays
>>334490368
>Romero never had any input in that.
Romero literally admits it was all his idea in a fucking video you retard
>>334490368
Daikatana advertisement was the first whiff of numale plague to infest video games.
Those people went to worship Lord Gaben of the bloated DRM spyware.
>>334490353
I will fucking buy it.
>music just harp and altar boys singing
>>334489813
>my opinion is fact
yeah, anon, arena fps is still fps, just cause it takes place in an arena doesnt make it a special snowflake, despite your retarded opinion
with that said, fuck off to tumblr or whatever shithole you crawled out from
>>334490360
Its a fan remake of tomb raider 2. Probably it gets a C&D at this time
>>334490695
he was right about arena shooters being niche, it was a dominant design model that died out. don't talk like a retard.
>>334490353
Add a plot twist where the forces of Heaven have to team up with the forces of Hell to stop the humans and I'm sold.
>>334484043
>what is Destiny
>what is The Division
>what is every MMOFPS under the fucking sun
An ideas guy till the end
>>334490786
playable? link?
Maybe it's a game where you shoot people but it uses your life bar, and you will lose your life whilst shooting but if you get to kill an enemy you will replenish your health. How bout that for balance.
>inb4 it's casual halo clone console shooter
>>334490945
Never develop a video game
>>334490792
Arena is a setting, end of story.
>>334491026
setting influences gameplay. there's a reason why platinum games don't bother with level design.
>>334490869
Not playable. He has a youtube channel with some videos
https://youtu.be/9znAXvf1i4w
>>334491282
looks good
wish terry pratched never reproduced
>>334491282
this is how future metroidvanias need to be made
>that seamless transition from air to water
>>334491340
lol
>>334491026
>Arena is a setting, end of story.
Actually, no. Arena is a type of level layout tied with specific set of gameplay mechanics and functions. Arena shooters are a specific type of shooters that got separated from the main branch of FPS, mostly generally relaying on some kind of basic linear progression model: what separated Arena shooters from the rest was a specific gameplay setup, not the settings. In fact, settings are completely irrelevant, setting implies a narrative dimension, which arena shooters don't have: arena, once again, is specific type of level layout, created for mechanical reasons. The specific narrative dress up which the levels and mechanics company is irrelevant and rarely consistent among arena shooters.
You are an idiot who simply does not know what the commonly used and well known term meant, and now you are too cowardly to admit it.
>>334490451
I watched another video in which he blamed it all on others.
>>334482924
Post YFW John Romero finally makes you his bitch.
>>334484719
You mean Hexen?
I'm pretty sure Quake was supposed to be an FPS with RPG elements in the world of Mythos. Sandy was THE very advocate for that idea.
I'm hoping someone will come out with a futuro-medieval FPS like Quake was.
>>334488057
Titanfall parkour is a league above BO3 in all aspects
>>334491605
No, QUAKE was supposed to be medieval melee fps. That's why the game feels so unfinished and weird, they ran out of time and just did what they knew and turned it into 3d doom.
>>334491340
I dont blame his daughter for the new Tomb raider. Even a good writer cant save that awful piece of shit
What if Carmack and Romero reunited for one final game? (keen 8)
>>334492007
Keen is tom hall's baby, not carmacks or romeros
Calling now, NX exclusive
>>334484206
You fucking triggered me, but no one can be this stupid. Either you never played Titanfall or you're shitposting. Either way, here's your (you)
>>334492106
Oh, OK. What has Tom Hall been doing lately? Has he been launching any rockets?
>>334489097
>John Carmack
>Not a Top-tier programmer
At least he produced some great games. You just produce jizz-covered tissues and piss bottles in your mom's basement.
>>334492384
Ran a few failed kickstarters, makes casual mobile shit now
quake 3 engine is god tier in terms of structure, physics (for the time it was produced), ond overall 'playability' - it has incredible feel and graphics presentation somewhat
>>334492619
>makes casual mobile shit now
RIP in peace
>>334492619
so does carmack now
>>334493036
Adrian? John doesnt even make games anymore
>>334482924
he said the same thing about daikatana
>>334493265
Is Blood 2 worth the time?
>>334493941
Not really.
>>334493941
If you want more of that sort of humor then it's fine to play.
>>334489493
Romero has mentioned that he'd like to work in Carmack again. Carmack's ego is way too big though apparently. I would love for them to kiss and make up and make one more phenomenal shooter, if they even can at this point.
>>334493941
Download the Blood fan expansion Death Wish instead from moddb. It's fucking amazing.
>>334482924
The long awaited Hecatomb.
>>334494317
>Carmack's ego is way too big though apparently.
According to who? Carmack is a shit team leader and just wants to be left alone with his code, doesn't seem like an ego type to me
So do you guys think Mr.Romero is gonna succeed at making us his bitches?
>>334494702
He already did, but not in the way we expected.
>>334490282
The problem is the world isn't ready for the tech. Maybe when everyone is sporting HBM 2 as RAM and SSDs are a dime a dozen.
>>334490861
>Destiny and the Division existed in 2004
>>334482924
Gonna pre-order.
Always bet on Jose Ramirez.
>>334491605
A techno/medieval shooter with mythos background and a classic 90s FPS vibe to the movement and combat would be pretty sweet.
>>334491282
Looks beautiful, especially Lara herself
