Where did it go so wrong
Consoles.
Consoles, more specifically trying too hard to be Halo
>>334421468
>Consoles.
All AAA games get review bombed on Steam, why does this matter?
>>334421628
>All AAA games get review bombed on Steam
That's not true and you know it
>>334421628
35% positive revies?
are you made from rubber?
It was Doomed from the start.
>All guns are shit except for Shotgun and Rocket Launcher
>Everyone just fucking spams them and gets almost insta-kills
>Melee also insta-kills big time
>Game feels like you are flying around the map with no-clip on
>>334421628
Not to mention its further tainted by the fact PCfaggots are mad this Doom is more focused on consoles even though Doom got its start on PC. /v/ is going to be so mad when this game sells several million.
>>334421771
5/5
Incompetent and derivative developers
>>334421318
Doom would be a game I would play for a good singleplayer, but I have serious doubts about it.
Bethesda
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>>334421885
Every time I see someone mention "all weapons are shit except" they mention different weapons.
Shotgun is the best one though.
>Get classic game
>Make it play like 90% of current games
GEE I WONDER WHERE DID IT GO SO WRONG
>>334421318
>casual
>tries to use the standard FPS formula everyone else uses
>its Halo but worse
>loadouts
>shotgun would be fine if you didnt spawn with it
>map design is just a mess
>movement speed is syrup at best
>none of fun old arena shooters used to have in general
It's really not bad. If they spent less time worrying about the ADD unlockables level-up rat race and added more weapons and maybe level mechanics it would be top notch. the game mechanics themselves are enjoyable
i don't get all the negative steam hate? modern 'gaymer' plebs cant handle the speed? I wish there was a sprint button tho tbqh
>demon rune = near-unstoppable
>loadouts
>maps+weapons as DLC
>it just doesn't compare to past doom games or other arena shooters
>riddled with bugs like every other bethesda game
Did anything go right? Maybe the singleplayer will be good...
>>334422916
>cant handle the speed
but its slow. slower than COD.
>>334422785
what is that last part supposed to mean
>all these people leaving negative reviews on a free demo
Just why?
Save the bad reviews for when the actual game comes out.
Leaving bad reviews on a free demo will discourage publishers from doing free demos in the future, from fear of less sales.
>>334423490
because reviewing the full game requires you to own the game. And this isn't a demo it's a beta test open for 3 days
>>334423490
the game comes out in a month.
This is pretty much the game we are going to get.
>>334423318
have u not played arena shooters?
>>334423601
they're pretty much the same thing
the fact that so many people are flaming the demo will show publishers that demos do not promote sales
everyone is just ensuring that we see less of these in the future, which is the opposite of what publishers should be doing
>>334423782
if they show publishers that demos will not promote sales... why do publishers publishing consolized casual Halodoom
>PC players dislike it for the speed, weapons, etc. and lack of similarity to classic DOOM
>Console players who normally would like this consolized gameplay would rather play COD or Destiny anyway
Will they be pressured to make changes? Is there even enough time?
>>334423954
why every game has to be competitive oriented?
>>334423715
fun is just so generic term that doesn't really tell anything because it's all subjective
>>334423318
like
>starting with just pistols
>jumping up to a ledge to get to a portal that has the rocket launcher and someone denies you
>rocket jumps
>wall runs/jumps
instead we get loadouts with the best weapons and power ups ready to go and the ability to see shit through walls. I mean there really was some challenge to these games. if you got kills its because you outplayed people. not because you killed the monster and got awarded 10 kills because you had a functional mouse and keyboard.
>>334424005
>Is there even enough time?
Hell. no. The only thing they are really testing is the servers.
>>334423490
and people wonder why publishers fuck them in the ass with DLC and lackluster content
>>334424304
okay agreed
>>334423490
It's a "beta" test, the whole point of this session is to collect feedback from testers and improve the game based on what they criticize.
Of course, given that there's only one month until the game comes out, ID probably won't give a shit and release the game as is.
>>334424304
>denies
tryhard fag detected, the 90's will never come back, cut your mullet
>>334423782
>the fact that so many people are flaming the demo will show publishers that demos do not promote sales
its not a demo its a beta and I give a shit what it is, if its garbage I will say it is. This wouldn't be an issue if publishers didnt push out shit.
>>334424610
stay mad pleb.
Shotgun/Sniper is the GOAT. FIGHT ME!
I'm downloading it right now. I know I will enjoy it and will not be turned away by the thousands of faggots spamming the review boards with "ITS NOT DOOM"
Steam reviews need to go honestly. Half of them are fucking meme replies
>3 people found this funny XD
Fuck off
>>334424738
it is. the problem is that you spawn with the shit. balance isnt a huge problem with the weapons. Tweaking is a given, but all the bullshit around it is permanent
>>334424304
But you still do the same shit as back then? You rotate between powerups, armor pickups and the demon rune and if you are good you literally cannot die?
You guys arent true gamers.
>>334424103
this maymay is dead friend it's time to move on
>>334421771
>>334424884
>will not be turned away by the thousands of faggots spamming the review boards with "ITS NOT DOOM"
yea, thats what I said. its shit. But good luck.
>>334421318
loadouts/2 weapon limit.
I wasn't gonna dedicate myself to the multiplayer anyway. As long as the sing player content is decent, I will enjoy demon killing.
>>334425026
What really makes me mad about this kind of argument is that they always say things like "you don't like innovation" "you just don't like new mechanics!".
What fucking new mechanics? It's all copy-pasted from every other fucking AAA shooter in the last 5 years.
I can understand games trying to innovate and failing, but DOOM is just a soul-less trend follower.
>>334425056
I already got my answer so jokes on you
>reviewing a beta
>nostalgia fags giving thumbs down after 10 min of play
You people are fucking stupid. This is why no one takes steam reviews seriously
>Companies want to milk the shit out a franchise and exploit it's name and fame
>Can't handle the heat when people actually demand it to have at least something to do with the original product.
Are classic IP reboots really that profitable? Because at this point I'm starting to think it does more hard than good to companies.
>thinking I'm buying Doom for the multiplayer and not to kill demons in single player campaign
They can make it as bad as they want. Doom 3 multiplayer was fucking garbage too so suck a dick
>>334422462
BUT THE FOCUS GROUPS...
THE SPREADSHEETS...
PROFIT MARGINS...
>>334425934
it's not a reboot
>>334426181
Gameplay-wise it is.
>>334426229
What does this even mean? I guess Doom 3 was a reboot too since it played nothing like the originals.
Honestly, it's no slower than the new UT
>>334424353
Either the servers are shit (everyone gets 100+ ping every damn match) or it's peer to peer. I'm willing to bet that it's the latter.
Why couldn't they just make a Doom game with the same mechanics and gameplay that was in the originals? But with modern graphics and shit?
We already have enough fucking Call of Duties and Halos. Why shit out even more of the same bullshit?
>>334425405
suck my dick asshole it's time to evolve!!!!!!
>>334421771
>>334423490
>Game is bad
B-b-but guys if we give them bad reviews we'll never get another game.
Do you understand how retarded you sound?
>>334421947
>/v/ is going to be so mad when this game sells several million.
It's not even on Steam's top 10 seller list during a free weekend. By AAA standards, it's going to be the biggest bomb in a long time.
And before anyone says 'it's too soon!' it was tenth on the list for a while this afternoon. Apparently not ALL publicity is good.
>Haste is default speed
There. MP is fixed.
>top tier
sniper
shotgun
>mid tier
rocket launcher
>low tier
everything else
>>334426834
this
>>334426834
but think about the console players!
they can't handle such speed
multiplayer feels like halo, but without any of the endearing things from halo like interesting weapons or vehicles. the loadout system was a bad idea, it makes the map design pointless since arena-shooter maps are built with hard to reach areas where power weapon are supposed to spawn.
they didn't do anything new, and nothing has been improved upon, this was a safe and economically made multiplayer.
>>334421318
>no carmack
>no romero
>iD in name only
>bethesda / zenimax
>consoles
gee, i dont know OP
>>334426572
Because
A) Kids and casual love Halos of dutyfronts but hate "hard" games.
B) Some people are really desperate to be "nerdy". Doom has a fucking huge nerd-cred appeal.
A + B = Casual game with "hardcore" pedigree = GORILLIONS
>people who liked the POS that was Wolfenstein: TNO are ripping on D44M
I will never understand.
>>334426834
Not while I can't shift+space+W/AD-drive.
>>334421318
It stopped being Doom. That's what went wrong.
How do you fix this shit?
>>334427272
doom hasn't been doom for like 15 years man, its stupid to keep complaining about shit like that.
>>334421947
>when this game sells several million
This is sadly true. But keep in mind that it will only sell because of the brand name it has slapped on top.
And that's one of the core problems the gaming industry is facing that if not corrected will inevitably contribute to the 2nd crash. AAA developpers think making a mediocre game and slapping a well-recognized franchise name on top of it will instantly transform it into a masterpiece, when it's the other way around. A well-recognized, successful franchise generates big expectations, and delivering a poor experience will only affect your credibility as a publisher, and we know Bethesda already has a bad reputation.
>>334427038
>You will never be john romero's bitch
>>334421318
>if Mostly positive, /v/ says what went wrong
>if mostly negative, /v/ says what went wrong
>>334424059
Why *does* every game *have* to be competitive?
Sick of people typing like this lately
>>334427541
a second crash must happen, these bullshit AAA Companies have gone too far when it comes to mediocre games. a crash should suffice
>>334426852
Rocket is pretty low tier. Unless you're making direct shots, it's pretty weak and doesn't have much of a blast radius .
I'd put static and plasma in mid tier, but you're right about everything else. Assault rifle and lightning are pretty trash and need to be put in trash tier.
>>334422979
Demon Rune gets two-shotted by the gun powerup thingy.
>>334424059
because when your game is competitively oriented, its more likely to be well balanced.
>>334427856
And then respawns. So...
>>334422785
>IT'S NOT QUAKE 3 OR OLD DOOM! WAGH! MUH PC!
Guys, shut up. It was meant for consoles, and now you're pissed. We get it.
>>334421318
It's basically a revamped halo under certain conditions. It's fun on its own but nowhere near a "top 10 list of games" I'd keep playing over the next few years.
I wanna play the campaign when released but that's about it. Multiplayer won't last too long.
>>334427929
so stop liking it already
>>334427774
RL is spammable as fuck, make sure you are firing it at a rate close to the one you get when just holding M1,
This is not TF2 soldier people
>>334427738
>Crash happens
>all indie devs and small devs cease to exist
>all the big names are just scratched and continue to do the same bullshit they've been doing for years.
What we need is a Purge, not a crash.
>>334427929
>meant for consoles
DOOM Was born on PC
>>334427917
You can pick it up too you know
>>334427541
Thiaf sales were terrible. There's still hope Bethesda may learn.
>>334421318
>all the fucking halo babbies who said this 'looked fun'
>>334428053
Nope, A crash can do so much.
the 1st Crash gave birth to alot of iconic game series from NES, followed by Sega Genesis and the playstation.
A 2nd crash is needed to end this and start over.
>>334427856
why would you ever go outside a corridor without?
you just spam rockets down corridors to become immortal. that's not really the main problem with the game though.
>>334425026
pretty sure hes using hipster the wrong way when since the majority think the game deserved a bad review
I'm kind of interested to see the single player campaign
Maybe they might make it into a arena mob shooter there, because multiplayer has actually nothing to do with Doom apart from LEL YOU CAN TURN INTO THAT SPOOKY SKELETON GUY ISN'T THAT COOL?!
>>334428008
I'd still rather have a shotgun/sniper, static/shotgun or static/plasma than a rocket launcher. It' is pretty spammable but if you can aim well, all the above weapons can out DPS the rocket. it's a crutch weapon
If you're at mid range and you hit a rocket man with a static, then switch to a shotgun, and melee if necessary, he's gonna be dead before he even gets a second rocket out.
>>334426572
Because Kolla Doody sells to casuals, who are billions. The original Doom games only have a niche audience, and by AAA logic, it won't sell bazillions of copies.
>>334428053
You got it backwards.
>>334428316
Ýeah, I mostly static/shotgun, but no, none of those out DPS the RL if you can predict enough to land direct hits except for plasma, maybe.
>snipe from med distance
>shotgun up close
>glory of they're not already dead
Rinse and repeat.
>>334428195
That's because gaming was nowhere near as big as it is today. The American Market crashed and the Japanese market was just starting up, thats why the NES and Master System came out and were as sucessful as they were cause they were able to do something differen
That's why we need a purge, because if a 2nd crash happened, all big companies would simply move on to mobile, cause mobile would be completely unaffected from a console/computer crash.
>>334428054
so was rayman and some other IPs
I waited for a match for about 10 minutes.
cringed when I saw loadouts
cringed when it put me in a match already in progress
cringed when shotguns were being spammed everywhere
>>334427929
>It was meant for consoles
Exactly the reason why so many mediocre AAA games are spawning these years.
>>334425026
>>334425405
>>334428259
reminder to not take the bait
using 30 exclamation points is a red flag
>take a game
>keep the name
>remove everything else
>copy/paste another game underneath sans name
>wonder why fans of the original game don't like it
How stupid do you have to be?
>>334421885
Wow so its just like the original Doom then?
>>334423490
>Leaving bad reviews on a free demo will discourage publishers from doing free demos in the future,
what do you want us to do? give fake positive review?? Fuck of retard!
its their goddamn fault for not listening fans, everyone already worried when first footage appear and they did nothing to adress it!
>>334428476
but you'll need to land direct hits with the rocket to outdamage the other weapons with is way harder and less common than the other weapons maximize damage.
Shotgun all you need to do is shoot close range, melee and shoot again, static, just shoot one fully charged shot and switch to your other weapon. Sniper is self explanitory and you should always beat a rocket man unless he gets the jump on you. With the rocket, you need to land two direct hits (assuming they are at spawing, non hack module health) while the person is jumping around and zooping like a madman cuase of homing melees, without damaging yourself with the rocket blast.
>>334421318
Consoles.
>>334428875
>loadouts
It's not setting well with me either. I hope this changes or at least let us have 3-4 weapons instead
>In progress matches
This isn't Counterstrike, Quake had this feature also. Go play Overwatch.
>Shotgun spam
It's really fun to use and half the weapons just obviously aren't as good. Hopefully some balance patches come out.
Also match making is only taking 2-3 minutes on X1 for me.I was dissapointed they didn't give melee a hugefuck hitbox like Halo
>>334429160
>fuck of retard
>>334428643
Do that but with static.
Sniper is for scrubs.
Also, personal teleport is really fun. People still have not caught on. Throw it, spawn behind them, and anally rape them..
Really fun
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You can't make this shit up
-runs at 10FPS, unplayable
-slow as hell movement, probably the slowest FPS I've ever played of any sort.
Play real arena shooter instead
>>334429304
Dicking around with the teleporting device is the closest thing I've had to fun.
>>334421771
You darn lazy piece of shit
>>334429375
>>334429304
is static the one that charges as you move?
i want to like it but 20-60 damage for a full charge is just not comparable to the 30-84 of a sniper
>>334429527
I'm on mobile, someone post tumbling down
>finally get a chance to play
>play two matches
>it's shit
>>334429527
>anime
>casual
>>334429268
> but you'll need to land direct hits with the rocket to outdamage the other weapons with is way harder and less common than the other weapons maximize damage.
Its really not that hard, hitbox is big, rocket is fast, a bit of prediction is all you need. Altitude is important though, (I still have not mastered right click), it really, really shines with a height advantage.
I would say sniper vs rocket is about even, rocket you barely need to aim and sniper loses mobility if he wants to do serious damage, making him susceptible to rockets. If they try to pop in and out of cover rockets also deal with that easily. None of the snipers I have encountered have given me trouble, maybe they were just bad.
Its pretty good for softening up before SSG
You can also just spam it wherever there is trouble and see if you get lucky
This is what happens when every game MUST have a tacked on multiplayer mode. They go full fucking MLG autistic mode with it. Let it be shit. No one wants to play Doom for the fucking multiplayer.
Apparently I'm the only fucking person on the planet that is getting no sound in the game at all except voice chat, I get to listen to 12 year olds scream
this game blows
>>334429527
>>334429654
>>334429801
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KYYVrBX4v0
>>334421885
I have played the beta and absolutely none of this is true. I'd say the most used weapon is the lighting gun. Missile luncher requires so much fucking accrucey to hit a target. If you are able to run around and climb around the map you have a great chance to kill people unexpectedly. No radar map. No one hit melee kills. There is no scopes on guns except assault rifle and maybe sniper (idk haven't used it yet). One hit gun kills are only from exclusive gun that drops every so often and the revenat.
>>334429534
You get about 60 and 74 for a headshot. The key is immediately following it up with SSG or something else for a really quick kill.
You should never fire it twice in a row.
>>334429527
What a time to be alive
>>334429534
Also found it to be fun vs snipers since most will miss if you strafe. You can shot them with this while you do that
>valid points of discussion as why its a terrible game
>stop hating games you're being mean
>its just a bandwagon guys its cool to hate video games
>steam reviews should be banned
what bizzaro universe have i woke up in today?
>>334429286
Going to the Buffet and Walruses
Corpheus, Corpseses
Worcestershire sauce
Go into your orifices
https://youtu.be/dOgbdwzMxkE
>>334421468
consoles ?
consoles
>>334421771
Jesus fuck, it was so obvious, how did this catch me by a surprise?
>>334421468
consoles
>>334421582
consoles
The game looks like a PS2 game and runs like Arkham Knight on release.
It's slow as molasses even though the original doom was one of the quickest games around.
It's filled with consolized level up bullshit and loadouts and progression instead of drop in drop out pure GAMEPLAY.
Literally how did they fuck it up
>>334429527
I guess there's some justice in this world
>Doom is the simplest FPS ever
>ID Bethesda manage to fuck it up
It's like fucking up a sandwich, it's impossible
>>334430453
There is not a lot of progression. Its not like CoD where you spend centuries unlocking attachments.
Almost everything here is cosmetic stuff
>>334421947
>PCfaggots
What the fuck did I expect?
A Sonygger will eat anything thrown at him
>>334421318
It didn't go wrong, you're just a stuck up cunt that hasn't had to do any work in your life, you just receive and never give back, therefore only accepting things to suit your preference.
>>334425271
>2 weapon limit
Most likely in solo as well.
>>334430648
You forgot to use the word "entitled"
>>334430795
Campaign footage had a weapon wheel
>>334430453
>The game looks like a PS2 game and runs like Arkham Knight on release.
lmao upgrade your PC you stupid faggot. there is no reason you should have less than 16 gb ram among other things
>>334430648
What does work have to do with video games?
>>334421318
PC MASTER RACE
>>334430862
>Campaign footage had a weapon wheel
Pretending they didn't change that in development, not much better
>>334431000
It had a weapon wheel in the very first footage they showed off.
Basically this: >>334422462
This is the strategy behind this and many other reboots:
• Acquire the rights to a well known franchise and promise a faithful adaptation of the original source material.
• Ignore whatever made the franchise so well known in the first place, and create something entirely different from the source material.
• Ignore the angry fans of the original work, who don't really matter as long as your advertising budget is high enough to get the attention of the pleb audience.
• Collect infinite money from plebs who never played the original game (or perhaps played it only for a few minutes so they could say they did). They have no appreciation for the source material, but they've still heard of it enough to know that it was supposedly great, so they will assume that the new iteration is good because of the name.
TL;DR: Brand recognition works even when your target audience knows nothing about the brand. Publishers know this. They do not care about the core audience, because the core audience already did its job by building up the franchise's reputation which can now be exploited by selling trash to people who don't know any better.
>>334428101
Not if someone else picks it up
>>334424884
>I know I will enjoy it and will not be turned away by the thousands of faggots spamming the review boards with "ITS NOT DOOM"
Hey dude if you like to eat shit and ignore warnings thats fine by me.
Sometimes I like to be a contrarian hipster faggot
>>334431137
This is the Sad truth fellas.
>>334428226
You mean the game has a good rocket launcher?
In most multiplayer shooters I've played, picking up a rocket launcher causes you to run at 1/4 speed and then you only get two or three shots which aren't even guaranteed to kill.
>>334431339
not him but if you dont like it go play 10 minutes and write up an epic review on steam then go back to your corner
>>334431526
>lol if u criticize muh shitty modern shotter ur a big baby!!1!
How does it feel to be dumb?
>>334431453
who are those people? I've never seen people like that in a setting like that
>>334421628
Even with Phantom Paim being unfinished and people getting butthurt over the twist, it still has a 80~% rating.
>>334431647
iJustine is one of them. Not sure who the others are.
>>334431453
>putting all that food on the table just for a photo
>they probably didn't even eat it
also,
>biggest bowl of the worst snack
Why do all the weapons have the impact of an airsoft pellet?
>>334430453
the game sucks but runs perfectly fine on my PC
>>334431968
This is from a stream.
>>334431968
Pretzels are the best snack on that table go choke on some semen.
THEY REMOVED ALL REVIEWS HAHA
>>334433136
???
>>334421771
>>334432890
pretzels are the snack of the Jew.
>>334433136
No they didn't.
>>334432890
>Pretzels are the best snack
kill self
>>334432050
because it'd be mean and unruly if they didn't.
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