Is Hearthstone actually worth getting into? My friend seems to like it but I heard it's just a pay to win RNG game.
Anyone here play it?
>>334377837
It is a great game.
Of course it has RNG; you play woth freaking cards. And most of the bullshit RNG cards are rotating out of the game in two weeks.
Also, it's not really P2W. It's mainly that it is not free. You have to spend quite a few if you want to have a decent collection so that you can have access to multiple decks.
>>334377837
its fire senpai
Try it. If you like it play it. I play it and my friends play it. Thry dont spend money and are having lots of fun, I do pay money and have lots of fun. I dont pay a lot though. You really cant expect to get to the highest ranks unless you have to top tier meta cards though just like any card game. But if you dont care about that its great
>>334377837
Do you like paying real dollars to win at a virtual card game? Do you have a twitch channel full of people who love watching you play a virtual cardgame?
Then hearthstone is for you, friend!
>>334377837
Its a fun game by itself, just don't take it too seriously/spend a ton of cash on it. And yes, the RNG bullshit is really really bad, especially since the new expansion is adding even more random game deciding dice rolls.
It's shamelessly P2W, there are plenty of premium cards that are straight upgrades to other basic cards.
It's also insanely RNG. It doesn't take much at all to touch the skill ceiling and everything after that is just whoever gets the superior card draw. But card drawn is just the tip of the randomness. Plenty of card effects are random too.
The problem with RNG heavy shit like this is that victory doesn't feel as good since it was just RNG that makes you win 90% of the time, but defeat feels much worse because it's just fucking RNG that made you lose that shit.
Basically there's very limited interaction. That's what makes it a casual game. So avoid it.
>>334378672
>most of the RNG cards rotating out
Err have you seen Whispers of the Old Gods or whatever? Tons and tons of RNG
>>334377837
I wish CDPR would launch a standalone Gwent game similar to Hearthstone
they'd make so much FUCKING MONEY
It's like a super-casualized version of mtg, although with a better mana system. I got bored of it fast
>>334378836
>especially since the new expansion is adding even more random game deciding dice rolls.
What? The only new playable bullshit RNG ones are the new mage 6drop and the shaman 4drop.
Almost all the retarded RNG cards are from GVG which thankfully is getting the fuck out of the meta.
>>334377837
>My friend seems to like it but I heard it's just a pay to win RNG game.
my best advice is to not think about it as vidya at all, but rather a CCG like Magic that happens to be digital.
If you treat HS the way you treat other vidya then it is some stupid ass P2W bullshit of the highest caliber. However as CCG its actually pretty damn cheap. Im able to build competitive decks in HS while putting in WAY less money than it took me when i played MTG seriously.
Also, GET GOOD AT ARENA! This shit will save you tons of money and if you can find legitimate enjoyment in playing arena then acquiring gold stops being a grind. If you can get to this point then you can pretty much stop putting money into the game in between expacs and do just fine.
>>334378904
>>334379320
Point me other ones (playable ones, not memes like Yogg).
http://www.hearthpwn.com/guides/1205-whispers-of-the-old-gods
Smoking gun, a quote from the lead designer
>some cards are so awful to never be played. I don't mind making cards better than those. War Golem might as well not exist.
>it is cool to start with a couple "bad" cards like Magma Rager, because it makes you feel powerful when you earn more cards.
To reiterate, the design intention of the game is to make your starting cards unplayably shitty so the ones you buy are stronger.
How do you make a good deck?
>Is Hearthstone actually worth getting into?
Been playing it since the beta. Didn't spend a dime on it. Have everything that I need. Don't expect balance cause it's a card game.
Drawing a card is in itself an RNG.
Great game to kill time and to play while high.
>>334379657
>>334378854
>>334378820
this
>should I play a video game from blizzard designed only for making them money?
>>334379657
>To reiterate, the design intention of the game is to make your starting cards unplayably shitty so the ones you buy are stronger.
this is literally the basis of almost every successful CCG or TCG in history. You dont buy a magic starter set and get the best cards in the game, or even ones you can go out and compete with really.
Now if the best decks around were just a pile of the rarest cards that would be a major problem. Thankfully even in their ideal incarnations most decks have 1-3 legends and are mostly commons/rares.
>>334379506
Forbidden Shaping, Undercity Huckster, almost all the mage cards, plus tons of sticky undercosted deathrattle cards to keep the average mana curve low and make sure nothing past 7 mana is playable.
>>334377837
>card game
>pay to win rng
Yea and you shoot people in first person in FPS games
>>334379936
Nope, good TCGs you can play with starting cards and still win
>>334380173
We are talking about sucessful TCG's, not some hipster bullshit no one has ever heard of.
>>334380173
Rofl. It's RNG shit and it's p2w. But it's fun though :D
>>334380318
That guy never mentioned sucessful you did out of nowhere, the discussion is why this game sucks.
>>334377837
No. Find some other multiplayer-game. Hearthstone isn't even that deep even with all it's cards. There are basically two decks when you look at it all - decks that try to win early or decks that tries to win late and everyone favors the first one so ladder is a chore and when you finally gets to fight someone that doesn't go cancer, guess what - it's not that fun and interesting either.
Id play pokemon card game online instead but the shit keeps crashing on my computer
>>334380318
He said good, not successful. Trillions of flies eat shit.
>>334380408
regardless, how can you say that the tactics used by every successful game in its genre, both digital and physical, are inferior to the tactics used by games no one gives a shit about? And if no one gives a shit about a TCG then the game is dead for all intents and purposes.
How good can a game in a genre heavily dependant on having a playerbase be if no one plays it?
I payed money for the hall of adventurers, it was fun but I only got one viable card from it.
>>334380020
> plus tons of sticky undercosted deathrattle cards
Such as? Infested Tauren? 4/5 of stats for 4, so undercosted!
>>334377837
I rather pay clash royale than this p2w blizzard bullshit premium cards.
>>334377837
It's fun, but I only play it as a phone game. I've gotten a few wins under my belt, with some good cards in my deck, and I haven't spent a cent. The game's good about giving you free packs, even if the supply is more limited than what the people you also pay for packs on top of that have. Some legendary monsters are bullshit, but the game works such that you can usually get around them if you plan your deck out. Even the cards you get at the start are still pretty good.
I played hearthstone for about a year. Then the tournament expansion came out and ruined the game with a flood of bullshit RNG.
Play duelyst instead. It's a far better game in every regard.
>>334380020
>Forbidden Shaping
playable
>Undercity Huckster
This a good rng card. It's not like Shredder or Totemic or Wrangler. It is more like webspinner.
You ade not seeing bs cards like implosion, crackle, boom, portal, shredder etc
>>334381176
>Then the tournament expansion came out and ruined the game with a flood of bullshit RNG.
Huh?
>>334377837
Yes if you spend money into it, since play it free to grind the cards is slow and you might lose the fun
It's a good casual game, this is probably the best time to join too, since the new rotation is just around the corner. You'll get a couple of free packs and a free legendary too.The most cancerous expansion(GvG) is finaly going away, bless the gods for that)
It's hard to get into. You can't build any decks until you get loads of cards.
I've been playing for like a month without spending any money and I still don't feel like I have enough cards to build anything. I mostly enjoy the tavern and arena because of it.
>>334381298
did you forget about the new shaman shredder tier 4 drop
100% Pay to win shit
>in b4 le you can get as good as people who pay if you spend times meme
time is money ffs, pay shekel to save yourself two weeks is pay to win
>>334381732
I literally said >>334379320
>The only new playable bullshit RNG ones are the new mage 6drop and the shaman 4drop.
>>334381490
I dunno. I thought the Explorer adventure had more RNG, since it introduced the Discovery mechanic. The most notable thing I remember in Tournament was the "joust" mechanic, which isn't that wide spread, at least from my playing.
>>334381176
>Play duelyst instead.
>Playing "aggro-only: the game"
I had such high hopes for that game, it seemed to hit my every button. What a shame.
>>334381176
>Play duelyst instead. It's a far better game in every regard.
Funny.
I spent $60 on adventures(Paid for the first two wings of Naxx with gold) and am the point where just playing a few games a day is fun and sustainable for never spending money again.
The unfun RNG level is about to drastically drop. This is actually probably the perfect time to get started if you are going to, since Old Gods is giving out a free Legendary and three packs to everyone.
>>334380767
League of Explorers has a lot of not only great but well designed cards. Finley sees play, Brann sees play, Elise sees play, Reno sees a lot of play, Raven Idol, Tunnel Trogg, Dark Peddler, Jeweled Scarab, Museum Curator, Forgotten Torch, Desert Camel, Unearthed Raptor, Keeper of Uldaman, Excavated Evil, Etheral Conjurer, Entomb, and Anyfin Can Happen are all good cards. How can you possibly say one? Which are you talking about?
>>334381176
>tournament expansion
>bullshit RNG
???
The seriously bad, stupid, uncontrollable, and unfun RNG comes straight out of Naxxramas and Goblins vs Gnomes which are thankfully going to be killed off. Discover is actually a really great mechanic as far as RNG is concerned.
>>334381176
>duelyst
I was really enjoying that game at first and then there were just two months of flat out terrible decisions that really made me doubt their ability to design and balance a game. I mean Blizzard is not perfect but they have never flat out made a class unplayable.
>>334381176
>Play duelyst instead. It's a far better game in every regard.
Hahahahaha there are hipster/alternative duelyst shills that haven't hidden in shame yet?
Anyone playing RuneScape Chronicles? It's pretty fun so farand requires even less attention than HS.
>>334379475
>Also, GET GOOD AT ARENA
I see this post a lot. And while its true, here the thing: Getting good at something means you need to play it often. And the only way to play Arena often is to either pay or wait for daily challenges.
So really just ask yourself OP. Do you just want to fool around and dont mind the facebook/mobile game in app purchase skinnerbox trend? If not play Hearthstone.
>>334377837
It was good when it launched... now it's P2W so it's trash.
How long does it take to get an adventure if you're just trying to get them with in game money and not pay for it in real life?
I'm going to miss unstable portal. It's my favourite card.
Hearthstone wasn't so bad a while back, but now it's basically "pick your meta and hope for RNG" the game.
Cards like Dr. Boom are basically a staple in most decks because of their broken cost to effect ratio, and because of a terrible amount of planning there's a lot of 'instant kill' strategies now that just require getting to X mana/turn while having the right cards, and using the rest to delay the enemy until then.
>>334384397
>'instant kill' strategies now that just require getting to X mana/turn while having the right cards, and using the rest to delay the enemy until then.
So Exodia decks?
>>334384175
a month of 30 daily wins or like 2 and a half months of playing casually
>>334384397
At least Boom's being axed from standard play.
>>334384761
if you cycle/do daily quests, in as little as a month you can get upwards of 3,000 gold
>>334385152
Yep, I've saved up about 4k gold in preparation for the upcoming expansion
Never spent a cent on the game, have most of the non-legendaries and most of the good legendaries
>>334385152
Don't try to fool these people, I know how it is, I played this game.
The game is horseshit
>>334385378
Dude, what the fuck?
>>334385485
>>334385378
I wouldn't be surprised if people were literally paying to win, people do that with MMO's to 'avoid the grind', so i see no difference here
>>334385378
I live for posts like these, they make me feel so damn good because I will never be this braindead.
>>334377837
Lol, Blizzard game.
Never again.
If you want to play a card game online just play Yugioh fucknuts
Its as broken as Hearthstone but its free.
>>334384761
What adventures are worth getting? If I'm just starting should I save my gold to get the new one? Or should I buy booster packs or do arena at all?
>>334377837
It's the worst card gathering game I've played
>>334385629
Well the guy has self awareness to know that he other guy was bullshitting. Maybe he can be saved if he gives up his addiction.
>>334385746
I don't like the new YuGiOh shit. GX was the pinnacle of the game and everything from after has gone down hill.
>>334385876
>I dont know the new game
>but it must be bad
lol
>>334385789
>Legend of Explorers
>Reno Jackson everyone
>Win
>or they automatically concede
>>334385789
>Get the first wing from Naxx before you can't buy it anymore, after that decide what deck you want to play and what adventures you need and go from there
>Save your gold to make 1 tier deck and then grind the hell out of the game with that deck to either buy packs or play arenas
>Try some arenas and test your skill, if you find you are good at it then you might avoid tons of grind (you still have to grind a lot because Blizzard nerfed arena rewards)
>>334385876
Pendulum is a hit or a miss. Just use XYZ or a Kozmo deck as your beginner deck to comfortable with thw new rules.
>>334386051
>before you can't buy it anymore
How much time do I have?
Can I buy the other wings later as long as I snagged the first?
>>334377837
It's fun, it's RNG, and it's severely frustrating. Any game that has such a heavy RNG and also ranked playlists is ridiculous. Don't let yourself get too invested or SPEND MONEY (don't) and you'll enjoy it just fine.
Just know that you'll get beat by all the babbies who buy adventures and drop 7 legs in a row post 6 mana.
>>334386189
I really don't know, IIRC the new game mode comes late this month so you should save 700g quick and buy the wing, you can go ask /hsg/
>>334385789
don't bother with arena, seriously, don't. It doesn't payoff unless you win at least like 5 games, and chances are you'll just get shit stomped by folks who've got like 20 wins and a good random deck composition 3 times in a row, because RNG decided you needed either target dummy, baby murloc, or goldshire footman 10 times in a row....
the adventures are all good in general
>>334386189
>Can I buy the other wings later as long as I snagged the first?
Yes, that's why I told you to buy the first wing from it.
>>334386278
>>334386374
Should I play practice until I get all the basic cards? I just have Mage and Priest at 20 and nothing else leveled up at the moment, using only the basic decks.
Or should I just go ahead and jump into the normal game and try to get my quests done? I tried this game a few months ago before you could buy adventures with coins and used what gold I had to buy a booster package, so I just have like 20 gold at the moment.
>>334386594
Do all the unique quests that you can. You can get 700g alone from unique quests.
Spend your money on magic and go to FNM instead
It was great when everyone was new but now it isn't worth playing.
Choose for me, I have 2000 gold
>casino yogg saron mage without flamewakers but I get to open +20 packs upon launch
>casino yogg saron mage with 1400 gold spent on flamewakers
>>334386594
Read this
>http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Quest#Unique_quests
You can also get 6 free packs with the samsung galaxy gifts promo and by logging in from an Ipad, Iphone and Android tablet (use an android emulator for the android one, there is a method to replace some DLL's to get the ipad / iphone ones).
About the normal mode, play ranked and stay in rank 20, be prepared to get frustrated because some people like that rank and abuse new players a lot.
>>334386939
Where do you see which ones you've completely already? This is what I'm looking at right now
>>334379634
as if that guy can whisper, he'd shove one of his mouths against your window and yell about how it better working for him and promises of additional tentacles
>>334387170
You can't see which one you have completed, just do the math and read to see which ones you haven't meet the conditions.
I'll literally never understand the appeal of playing a board game on your computer against anonymous people you can't chat with.
The whole appeal of board games is social interaction, absolutely everything else is done better with vidya
>>334377837
>collectible card game
>not pay to win
choose 1
In all seriousness, you can play Hearthstone for a few months and pay ~$60 and have enough cards to hit "legend" or be one of the top 4,000 or so players in any given month. You can also play for free casually and do whatever the hell you want.
>>334387417
Hearthstone would never work as an actual board game.
> The whole appeal of board games is social interaction,
Not only.
Do you think magic fags care about social interaction?
I have an account from when the game was at it's early stages (a bit after naxx came out I think) and through doing quests every 3 days or so I have pretty much all classic cards and nearly 10k dust along with full naxx and almost completed the other adventures (I don't actually like the last tier cards so I didn't get them yet). I'm now saving some gold for when the next expansion hits, have ~1500. Didn't spend any money.
For a newcomer it might be annoying to catch up without spending money, you will probably meet a lot of people with good cards while you barely have any.
The game is fun. It's no mtg but the ui and client are pretty good (much, much better than mtg online) and it's perfectly fine for some mindless fun now and then to scratch the ccg itch.
Play faeria instead.
You will need about a hundred dollars or months of grinding to reach a point of breaking even.
If you start now/soon you can at least hop into a new meta and not get shit stomped by the usual shredder/secrets/face/boom plays that will outclass any newbie deck you can cobble together period.
Hearthstone is excellent for scratching the CCG itch any time you want but the devs are truly incompetent about CCG balance so at least try to play several different classes and don't take it too seriously. There is a lot of good play to learn but the biggest difference between legend and not is the time to grind it out.
As a new player, unless you are willing to pay real money for cards you wont enjoy it at all.
>>334381656
I dont get it, so the people that bought cards for that exxpansion get screwed because they cant use them anymore?
>>334388374
People can still use those cards in tavern brawls and "wild" ladder matches. They're being phased out of tournament play that will be based on the "standard" ladder. Another very common thing for CCGs....
>>334388374
They can be used, just not in standard.
http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Standard_format
>>334388374
Kek.
So basically they want you to spend money and periodically make you spend more money in order to remain competitive
>>334388374
You can still use the older cards in a different format (which will be the exact same thing that exists now)
>>334388603
you do understand that its a card game right? magic, yugioh and pokemon work the exact same way and theyre actually more expensive.
>>334388603
Thats how every single card game in the world works
>>334377837
All these blizzard marketing shills.
The game sucks, you have to shill hundreds of dollars to be competitive, don't even bother.
>>334388913
been f2p since closed beta have no problems getting legend to this day
>>334388913
name a card game that you dont have to spend money on to be compeditive
>>334389069
Bridge.
>>334388913
>have to spend money on a tcg
>"its crap, its subservise, reeee"
Ok buddy
>>334377837
its fun if you are shit at card games. one of the more streamlined games for sure, but it does get pretty p2w if you want to do high ranked shit.
>>334388603
That's how Magic (or any other ccg, really) works. The Standard allows only for a basic set and/or the newest sets to the used. Then other modes allow you to use whatever.
Is it a way to get more money? Yes. Is it a good mechanic and fun? Hell yes, set releases are always the most fun I have with mtg
>>334388825
>>334388909
Most card games are not actually played competitively that much (amount of players -wise). On hearthstone basically every player does play them that way
>>334389126
thanks for proving my point.
>>334380763
Android: Netrunner is a fairly new card game that plays in an asymmetrical style and is gaining traction as one of the best card games out right now. There's a steep learning curve but the gameplay is solid and it's primarily a skill and tactics type of game.
The problem with new card games is that they're hard to market and thus the playerbase, while growing, is still small.
But wouldn't you rather play a better game?
>tfw they took out the best Tavern Brawl
God damn, portals was fun as fuck.
I came back from this game after a year and a few months. I have 1600 dust and 500 gold. what do
>>334389361
hearthstone is insanely popular. you dont think theres people out there that just play casual mode with whatever they earn in game? come on anon
