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>You think you do, but you don't...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuOYmqSF6OQ
Why aren't you boycotting Blizzard /v/. Are you really going to let them get away with this?
>boycotting Blizzard
So literally doing nothing different to before? That'll show them.
I seriously hope somebody goes full ISIS on Blizzcon. Out of 150k nerds there should be at least one man crazy enough to start the beta uprising.
Because Blizzard did the right thing as a business. Only edge lords would boycott this.
>>334337445
>Blizzard did the right thing
Are you literally retarded?
>>334337445
Doing the right as a business would mean creating vanilla server to meet the demand, which has been proven by Nostalrius to be quite big. But fucking blizzcucks would rather shot on everyone's plate and do everything to attempt to sell their garbage Legion.
>>334337227
While I never played on Nostralius myself, Mostly atuck with BC private servers my heart goes out to those people. They just wanna experience the great community and not dogshit retail anymore. Current WoW is single player shitfest while Vanilla actually required you to chat up with random people, form party groups and make long lasting friends.
>>334337553
You're clearly underage. If a business doesn't defend its copyright at every turn, it will lose it
>>334337420
A company's bad business practices don't warrant the deaths of the innocent people attending the con or even the devs for that matter. Stop being an edge-lord.
Besides if you're going to blame anyone blame Activision.
>>334337445
blizzard stole from me, I bought wow and I want to play wow not facebook cookie clicker garbage
>mfw when Blizzard servers got DDoS'd
>>334337445
>Shill detected
How much us Blizzard paying you for each post? Vanilla is abandonware and the server runned by donations, not Subscriptions.
>>334337790
Unlike the Nostalrius servers, the Blizzard servers will come back up
>>334337790
They were down for like 30 minutes
>>334337795
>the server runned by donations
>runned
Either underage or third world poorfag
Is this the equivalent of a chimpout?
>>334337227
i've been hating Blizzard since Diablo 3.
way before neo/v/ came in and spams/shills with daily WoW/Starcraft2/Diablo3/HoN threads
>>334337795
>Vanilla is abandonware
wat
>>334337745
Comparing WoW to cookie clicker is an insult to cookie clicker.
>>334337673
Defend what? Vanilla is fucking abandonware. Did they honestly think kicking a hornets nest of people that already despise them with retail would bump sales for fucking legion? If anything those 150 thousand people vilify Blizzard now and even more Nostralius servers will crop up as a huge fuck you to the greedy exec's and shareholders.
>>334337923
So was your mum
So somebody ran a private server and the actual company shut it down?
Are we supposed be mad for a company doing the right thing?
>>334337663
No Im sorry the active population of Nostalrius is grossly exaggerated for effect. There are not enough players for blizzard to devote resources and time to service a vanilla server. It's not worth it no matter how much you nostalgia fags want it to be.
>>334337963
Answer the question you fucking shill. How much is Blizzard paying you to defend their fucktarded C&D order?
>>334337227
Yall lost the high ground when you got lizzard to DDOS them.
I was on your side till you started that shit and acting like 2 year olds having a tantrum.
I thought I wanted to buy Legion, but I don't.
>>334338164
Shill is the excuse of someone who can't defend themselves. Stay mad though your shitty server got taken down.
they can just start over and make another one
>mfw i joined another private server after they shut nos down and its got shit fuck tons of people
>>334337663
>which has been proven by Nostalrius to be quite big
You mean that overly inflated 150k figure tossed around?
Even assuming ALL of them would transfer over to a theoretical official vanilla server, would that even be profitable? I don't think it's as easy as 150k x $10 = $$$$$$$$$$
>>334338378
Never played Nostalrius. Only BC private servers. But I wonder how long before you're paymasters decide to shut those down too and piss even more people off. You underaged Cata fuckers disgust me.Kid's like you are the reason stupid shit like facebook Garrisons and Selfies were added into retail.
>>334338639
>Kid's like you are the reason stupid shit like facebook Garrisons and Selfies were added into retail.
[citation needed]
>>334337982
No. It's the equivalent of Microsoft closing a high school computer lab because it was using Linux.
>>334338639
Kid I was playing MMOs while you were shitting your diapers. I've played wow since December 1st 2004. The only difference is i don't have nostalgia goggles welded to my face. So you can fuck right off with that kid bullshit you shit stain waste of life.
>>334338369
You really don't.
>>334338879
What the fuck did you just fucking say to me kiddo?
>>334338639
Why should they care if they piss off people who are never going to sub though? You act like Blizzard owes you something.
>>334338123
>I have no idea what I'm talking about
>>334338369
This. I've never played on a private server, ever. But I'm not going to buy any more Blizzard games because I don't like the way Blizzard treats its costumers.
The only way you can deflate the ego of these assholes is to hit them in the wallet. Hard.
>>334338984
I said you are a nostalgia cuck
>>334338228
>we collectively decided to do that
>all 800 thousand of us, without exception
I wouldnt hate vanilla servers but it will never happen
First of all the money, its not as simple as flipping a switch to an old version it will take a lot of time and effort to recode it all, they will need new servers, new GMs, new staff.
Secondly the players, to do this blizzard will HAVE to charge extra (on top of a wow sub) thats the only way to make it sustainable, lots of people play of private servers because its free, do you think the playerbase will actually be that large with an extra say $10 on top of a wow sub?
Third thing is that vanilla was good at the time but what will people do? You can only run MC for so long, the classes are unbalanced as fuck, if they fix that people will be mad its not vanilla enough, if they dont fix it people will be mad there class is shit
As i said, i wouldnt hate it but its a bad buisness choice.
>>334339094
>Nostalrius users
>Their customers
literally pick one kid.
>>334338014
Vanilla is an entirely different game from today's "WoW". And blizz do not wish to provide vanilla servers. So yeah, it's abandonware.
>>334339182
You may not have done it but you condone it because your an edgelord having a tantrum
So just a quick question: whats the likelyhood any other private servers get shut down? Im playing on a private WOTLK server and i really hope blizzard doesnt fuck us over too.
Like how fucking greedy can they be? Its not like people playing on private servers are just suddenly going to go play retail.
>>334339094
>play on a free to play server
>HURR THOSE PEOPLE ARE CONSUMERS
IT WAS MYYY PRIVATE SERVER
IT WAS MINE I PLAYED ON IT THEREFORE ITS IMMUNE TO LAW FUCKING BLIZZARD
what??? THERE WERE OTHER PRIVATE SERVERS SUED
yeah but this is DIFFERENT ITS MINE NOT THE OTHERS ITS THE BEST ONE EVER ITS MINE!!!
>>334339276
>inb4 shill's point out classic dungeons and few sprites 'Dur hur itz not abandonwaer see, protecting Copyrieghtz!!1'
>>334339287
You should stop playing WoW, scab. The strike is on and you're siding with the bossman.
>>334339187
so then why did they shut it down?
if they'll never make money off of people that want to play vanilla why the fuck did they shut it down?
>PC gamers once again embarrassing themselves
Vanilla is never returning. Let it go and move on. There's literally hundreds of other MMOs you could be playing right now, so why wait for something that will never happen?
>>334339341
I know you're baiting but it's fair to note that all the previous private servers that were actually sued were servers that operated with in-game gift shops, so they were actually making profit off of the server
>>334339215
>>334339302
Are you retarded?
>>334339394
who said i am subed? stop trying to deflect the fact that you are having an internet version of a screaming child tantrum.
>>334338228
>yall
>When you got lizzard to DDOS them
Yes because we totally decided to ask them to do so. that group does whatever
>>334339394
He's a cirpirate dick sucking Shill anon. He's paid to avoid logic and type out raw sewage to defend Blizzards actions.
>Dey dindu nuffin
>COPYRIGHT PROTECTION1!!1
>>334339458
Because the servers are illigal and copyright law says you need to defend you copyright or you lose it.
ITT: /v/ is the 1%
>that gets fucking laughed at
>>334339592
Copyright for Abandonware? You shills need to get better rebuttal's. Work harder for your Blizzard dollars.
>>334338052
A private server for a completely different old-ass version of the game that isn't officially available anymore
It'd be like DICE sending you a C&D for hosting a Battlefield 2 server now that the official servers are gone
>>334339341
people tend to react to things that affect them
things that don't affect them aren't as important because it doesn't disrupt their routines
good luck with the treatment for your position on the spectrum
>>334339558
You did know of it and condone it because your edgelords, you lost the high ground now your part of a group so angry that you hired a DDoS service to get back at the company that you stole from.
Imagine you are making bootleg Michael Jackson CDs, the lawyers of MJs estate tell you to stop or you will get sued
You defend yourself by saying "well he isnt making them anymore so i should be allowed to"
I get that its more complex than this but thats the general point.
>>334339536
Are youu? You do realize Blizzard didn't get any profits from Nostalrius right? I mean you understand the concept of a private server don't you?
>>334339592
Nothing illegal took place. Stop spouting this like you know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>334339723
>abandonware
>game is copyrighted world of warcraft
>when you log in it says "world of warcraft"
>zones and areas still have the same names as world of warcraft
>hehe lol abandonware :)
>>334339542
>if you don't like something that has happened, you should keep your mouth shut about it and just accept it like an adult
>any objection to anything is a tantrum
>>334339812
Are you fucking retarded? Hired a DDoS service? m8 what
Yes all 800k of us decided to do that. Stop pulling facts out of your ass man
>>334339953
>wants to "speak up" and show the "man"
Orders a DDoS service and then proclaims they have the high gound.
You know this hippy commie shit died at the end of the 60s right?
>>334339820
The guy making CDs is trying to profit and you can download music from internet anyway
Nost was free and there is no other way to play vanilla exactly as it was
>>334339951
It's allowed in a non-profit private server you fucking twit. The only way Blizzard would be in the right is if they were charging subscription fee's. But no it was donations only. And half of the shit in vanilla isn't used on retail anymore.
>>334339723
>rebuttal's
>>334339725
Which they can totally do. It doesn't matter how old it is, it's still their assets they made being used by someone else. They are within their right to stop it being used.No matter how hard to try to spin it it's completely legitimate. They don't want vanilla servers. End of story. IF people don't want to play the current game, fine but that's where the game is now they don't want any other iterations, it's not hard to comprehend.
>>334337227
Hey fucktard, how about you and other Nostalgia-fags just fund another type of Nostralrius?
Call it Astralius, or Dostralrius.
>>334338052
People are mad because they don't offer legacy servers so there's no way to legally play the game
>>334339276
According to Wikipedia:
>Abandonware is a product, typically software, ignored by its owner and manufacturer, and for which no product support is available. Although such software is usually still under copyright, the owner may not be tracking or enforcing copyright violations.
What we usually refer to as "vanilla" is an old version of a still running product, not one ignored or unsupported, and clearly they choose to track and enforce copyright violations.
I don't know if it would apply to that description unless you twist it real hard.
>>334340105
You may not have personally ordered it but the people did it in your name flying your colors you are just as guilty as them for not stopping them and stepping up and acting like adults.
>>334339842
You do realize it that by closing it, they are going to lose a fortune, right?
You do realize that a lot more people than were signed up for Nostalrius would PAY to play vanilla WoW and that the only reason Nostalrious signups were not in the Millions is because most of the people who want to play vanilla WoW are afraid that putting in the time to level a character is a huge risk because Blizzard is likely to take that character away from them after hours of effort and that if Blizzard opened a legitimate vanilla server and charged $20 dollars a month they could make $20,000,000 a month, right?
>turning down $240,000,000 a year because your too egotistical to admit you're wrong.
>>334340146
>not making money
>donations
Uhh ... if they make ANY money using Blizzards assets its a no go. They shouldn't accept any donations. IF they wanted to run the server they have to do it out of their own pockets.
>>334339898
Unless you have a law degree neither do you, i know enough to know that running a version of someone elses game that you can play for free is a breach of copyright, it doesnt matter if the game has changed its still world of warcraft and they own the copyright.
>>334337673
>doesn't defend its copyright at every turn, it will lose it
Wrong.
>>334340310
How the fuck do you use you're correctly and incorrectly in the same sentence?
>>334340310
The number of people playing on that server is grossly exaggerated and were only playing because it was free. Very few people are going to pay, especially pay extra to play Vanilla.
Why do the anti-legacy people keep trying to say it's only nostalgia and vanilla wasn't good? Were the thousands of people on Nost not actually having fun?
>>334340310
this
>>334340141
Even if he is doing it for free he is pirating it, they would be well within their rights to shut him down
>>334340146
>But no it was donations only.
most of the time when you donate to a private server, you get a reward in return. it's selling things under the guise of a donation.
>>334340469
They where not having the right type of fun m8
>>334337227
There's only one way to punish them for this.
We must crash ATVI.
They want to shill their game. I recommend we go to all financial forums. Where holders of ATVI may lurk, and post doomsday for it.
$25 by the end of the year. $15 in 2-3 years.
That will cause mass exodus from those shares. Share price landslide. Kottick owns 18% of those shares. That's multi-millions of dolalrs. His personal net worth drops, and he rues the day he decided to take down Nost.
>>334340469
Shills anon, shills and Catafags too young to experience WoW at it's prime.
>>334340469
A few thousand compared to millions? Yes its small and insignificant.
>>334340450
>were only playing because it was free
You are so fucking retarded. It's at the point were you're being intentionally obtuse.
THERE IS NO PAYMENT ALTERNATIVE. BLIZZARD ISN'T PROVIDING A PAYMENT OPTION.
>>334337445
>Because Blizzard did the right thing as a business.
Are you mad. Opening legacy servers would be the single biggest cash injection for Blizzard since SC2 launching. Its entirely shame and stupidity that they are NOT being a good business by releasing legacy.
>>334340310
>moving the goalposts
those people weren't customers, I never said anything about what hypothetical things Blizzard could do to make money. They were NOT customers and Blizzard was making NO money from that server. You can't deny that.
>>334337884
SAVAGE
>>334340568
Please reread the post you're replying to
>>334337673
Vanilla WoW became functionally abandonware the moment they released Cataclysm and heavily altered it.
>>334340548
Simultainously WoW and anytihng blizzard related must become the new Justin bieber.
Hated unanimously by most people. Thought of as pure junk.
A combination of this will Kill the blizzard.
>>334340469
more than half those people never played vanilla and wanted to experience it for themselves.
now they can have street cred by pretending they played back in 05.
>>334340562
Nostalgia fags anon, nostalgia fags and edge lords who just want some company to be mad at.
>>334340568
250K accounts that have logged in within the last two weeks doesn't seem insignificant anon.
>>334340597
>Look at me I know so much about business
>That's why I'm a wealthy business owner
>>334340658
>more than half those people never played vanilla and wanted to experience it for themselves.
That doesn't mean they weren't having fun
>>334340597
You;re grossly over estimating how many people want legacy servers.
>>334340562
This.
>>334340321
>Unless you have a law degree neither do you
>it takes a law degree to know something
It's protected under fair use you lean mean memeing machine.
>>334340579
Why would someone play to do content they've already done several times over. I mean maybe newfags who never played Vanilla but come on.
>>334340736
Are you basing this off of the MMOchampion poll
>>334340696
>>Look at me I know so much about business
You dont need to be a genius to look up every single MMO that has ever released legacy servers to see they have all been massive financial successes
>>That's why I'm a wealthy business owner
The irony here is I am. But I wouldn't pretend my business is the same as Blizzards. A distinction obviously lost on you.
>>334340469
They probably just feel lonely in their singleplayer barbie dress-up simulator and wants us to play with them
>>334340659
>Shill being salty
Nostalrius did absolutely nothing wrong and you're paymasters shit all over it and the community anyway. I fucking hope Legion flops hard and it will to the point Blizzard will 'Consider' and is 'Open' to the idea of Pre-Cata Legacy servers.
>>334340759
>protected under fair use
this thread has turned into memes once again
>>334340310
>$240,000,000 a year
I don't think it will reach such levels, to be honest.
Even if it will, I don't know to what extent would that even be profitable to them, in the short/long run I mean, I don't know much about economics.
But I believe if it really was as profitable as you think it might be, you should have it by some years ago already, Blizzard might be turbo-fags but they're moved by money.
>>334340658
>now they can have street cred by pretending they played back in 05
Oh no, we can't be having that. Think of the implications of someone pretending they played a videogame when they didn't It would be complete chaos.
>>334337227
>>"You think you do, but you don't..."
>playing a 1.12 server environment any longer than 2 years
>enjoying grinding resist gear and onyxia scales with vanilla bag sizes
>playing that horseshit snapshot of class balance for eternity
They were right to say it, and they're right to go after any private server more than a year old. Fuck NE hunters with aimed shot hiding on roads.
>>334340659
Lol Nostalgia doesn't last for that long and be as successful as Nostalrius.
Why don't you get a real job instead of shilling for blizz?
>>334338574
That's more than the amount of kids playign Heroes of the shitstorm, you cucklord senpai desu senpai dingdong
>>334340548
I think the best way to hit Blizzard in the wallet is simply a mass exodus from Wow.
Like EVERYONE unsubscribe. We could make being part of the Blizzard exodus a 9gag meme.
>only filthy casuals play Blizzard
>WoW might as well be FarmVille. No serious gamer would be caught dead playing a Blizzard game.
>>334340853
>oops I'm wrong again
FTFY
>>334340736
>You;re grossly over estimating how many people want legacy servers.
No, im not.
This entire year is retarded anti establishment faggots.
I blame Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.
>>334340668
There is no hard proof of that. Just some info graph people have thrown together. That number keeps changing every week to try and make a point. Also 250k ( even if its not inflated) is not a lot compared to 5 million. Again those people are going to a free service there is no proof those "250k" people would pay to play vanilla.
>>334339820
>>334339187
Pretty much this
They wont make the servers and they have a right to shutdown piracy
>>334340806
Damn! That's the fifth wealthy business owner I've spoken to today. Seems like everyone here either owns a succesful business, is a doctor, engineer or CIA operator. How is 4chan filled with so many successful people?
>>334340951
>thinks I'm the same guy
>fair usage
>smug italian guy drinking apple juice
the memes are in full force tonight
>>334340792
Because WoW was never about the fucking content, it was an MMO that fostered multiplayer interaction.
This is the kind of thinking that lots 7 Million subs over the last 5-6 years.
We made an MMO where players can interact. I know let's make the 'content' better, clearly they're playing this game for the story.
Fuck off. Vanilla was good because it knew what it was. it was an MMO RPG. mediocre content, medicore story. Amazing massively co-operative game play experience.
>>334340837
>y-y-y-your a shill i cannot prove any point of imformation otherwise
Why would I boycott a company that makes fun games? Because I'm a nostalgiafag?
You autistic fucks need to learn to accept change
>>334340910
>my only retort is lol shill
Because I have played vanilla, and I know it's shit and grindy. I don't want to go through it again.
>>334337715
>A company's bad business practices don't warrant the deaths of the innocent people attending the con or even the devs for that matter.
That is entirely true.
Still, think how funny headlines would be.
>NOSTALRIUS SHUTDOWN
>HOW MANY MORE MUST DIE?
>>334341061
How much does Blizzard pay you per post and how many exec dick do you suck every day?
>>334340792
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu-JMqNTn-M
>>334341001
>This entire year is retarded anti establishment faggots.
This isn't necessarily anti-blizzard. People want to play a game that does not exist anymore outside of private servers. There are no other alternatives. You literally cannot legally play any WoW that's not WoD.
People keep defending this by saying that it would be a massive strain on blizzards server network and wallet if they were to run a vanilla server, saying that they could not take a single abandoned retail server which pretty much goes for half servers they have and make it Vanilla, BC,WOTLK for gods sake they brought back Cataclysm raid/dungeons/timewalk as a response to nost being shut down but you show me one real wow player who wants to play cataclysm dungeons again. also 13+ months with no new content until Legion drops and the players are expected to sit there and raid what ever boss is in the last raid of WOD for that long I mean how can you still defend this company.
It make me sick to see such a decent company become such a lifeless husk of it's former self.
MFW people still defend their actions.
>>334340940
That's harder to do.
Convincing savvy buisnessmen that the buisness is heading downhill fast, when it is... is easier
than say convincing 14 year olds not to get bought by pretty CGI trailers and whine until their mom buys them the new CoD (i mean WoW).
>>334340960
Yes, you are. IF you're not show me proof that is not just some info graph someone whipped up. Show me inside numbers.
>>334341039
>Ad hominem
Back to the actual point at hand; RS also had a "small" group who wanted legacy servers.
RS07 is now nearly as successful as RS and has doubled Jagex profits.
Inb4 you try to claim the quantity difference in people is relevant. Anet already showed that server costs for supporting millions of players (and/or less) is negligible under subscription models. Even 100k on a vanilla legacy server would cover costs and generate profits, but we all know that the actual number of people who would play legacy would be far higher than that for any Blizzard game.
>>334341084
>MMOs should be about the social aspect
>I pay my $15 a month to hang out with my e-friends
>how dare blizzard put more effort into the gameplay, instead of catering to us lonely fags that need someone to group with while we kill ogres
>>334341210
Chinese gold farmer go and pls stay go, we don't need your filthy kind around here, or anywhere.
>thinking people who play on private servers aren't mostly filled with butthurt ex customers who have sworn they'll never give Blizzard money ever again and miscellaneous fags who just want to play an MMO for free
That's like someone who went vegan saying they're going to boycott meat and dairy.
>>334341214
I asked why retard. But I guess you don't have a good answer.
>>334341210
>I'll call him a shill because i'm gettin' e-wrecked by his superior internet fight game
>fair usage
How the F*CK do people have time for vanilla in this day and age?
I admit, I love WoD. It caters to my needs and fits my lifestyle perfectly.
>work from 9 till 5
>pull prepping in the evening
>just enough time to send my garrison followers on missions till I have to slurp out the black breeding love juice out of my wife
>>334340792
Vanilla Wow is much more social. The expansions took away key components the required social interactions in order to raid.
The whole point of playing an MMORPG is to make friends inside the gaming environment. WoW has completely lost that trait and those of us who play vanilla want it back.
>people whined about chinks and BRs constantly
>people whined about global pvp
>constant server shutdowns by chinks and brs
>massive REE posting anytime it happened
why do people miss this server again
>>334341254
>info graph someone whipped up. Show me inside numbers.
So you dont want actual numbers of private server users but you do want actual numbers of private server numbers.
You see how bias and stupid you are being here? Setting up a pointless argument just proves your inability to be unbias. Even if the 1 million accounts made in Nost alone had 90% bots thats still more than enough players to support a official legacy server.
>>334341271
Show me proof of these huge numbers of people willing to pay for legacy servers.
>>334337227
i play literally every blizzard game cept wow so i don't care
>>334337227
I would pay an extra 10 dollars a month for legacy servers with steady content progression
>>334339187
Besides the initial money, human resources and effort to re-establish Vanilla, the investment on the grand scale of things would pay itself back rather quickly. They can use already existing server networks, they can allocate willing GM's to their new project and give the job of datamining and recoding vanilla to some no-pay intern.
Once it releases, don't add dollarydoo costs to players who don't want it but make the vanilla players pay for it by asking them to pay a special vanilla fee to access those servers.
Then it's just a case of watching them eat shit until the world ends.
>>334341340
That was the answer. Clearly your are too stupid to comprehend it.
>>334341384
>The whole point of playing an MMORPG is to make friends
he's totally serious
>>334337445
>Only edge lords would boycott this.
I remember when the term edgy was used to refer to people who would burn their kittens alive that /b/ would dox, not just anyone who happens to call your favorite company out for being shitty.
>>334337673
>If a business doesn't defend its copyright at every turn, it would lose it.
Of course this isn't true. It's a bizarre claim.
I guess you're thinking about naked licensing, where a business that allows other companies to use its trademarks risks losing control of them if it doesn't make sure the trademark is being used correctly.
>>334340792
Why do people do the very same raid four times over in four different difficulty settings for over a year and praise it as "content"?
Some people just like to eat shit and other people like to play BC/vanilla, it's just the way things are.
>>334341298
>>thinking people who play on private servers aren't mostly filled with butthurt ex customers
I like Blizzards products. I want to play older versions of WoW and im willing to pay.
So you're objectively wrong.
What I dont understand about all this isnt actually Blizzard's stance on legacy, its /v/ and Blizzdrones. Why are you so against people spending money on legacy servers? Its more money for Blizzard on a product they dont have to support with content, all they have to do is pay a small set up cost and maintenance, both covered by sub fees easily. Why are YOU so against others playing legacy? You have modern WoW, play that.
>>334340930
>Heroes of the shitstorm
Isn't the revenue model from that game different than that of an MMO?
If so, you can't compare using total number of players, as it doesn't really affect it because F2P whales are a thing, I would assume they also generate money through tournaments and esports bullshit.
>>334341463
I am.
>>334341384
It's dead. It's never coming back. If you want a social experience join a raiding guild. Don't get pissy because Blizz gave alternatives for people that didn't like the fucking hastle that was forming groups for dungeons/raids.
>>334341375
I work 45 hours a week while going to the gym 3 nights and 2 nights, and I got to level 47 on Nost before it closed. I only had around 6 days played in game.
>>334341414
>>Inb4 you try to claim the quantity difference in people is relevant
You didnt even read my post, why should I take you seriously.
>>334341281
So you want to pay 15 US DORRA for a singleplayer game that for some reason is marketed as an MMO?
>>334341375
epic falseflag
>>334337227
It's shitty as hell, but I don't care about Blizzard.
Actually I guess that means I'm already boycotting them. You're welcome.
>>334340158
>hurr I can't read
Nobody is arguing that they aren't allowed to, all that's being discussed here is how cunty and pointless it is. Anyone who's going to go out of their way to consistently play BF2 is someone who doesn't like where series has gone with 4 and Hardline so it sapping customers really isn't an argument, and if they refuse to provide a service but stop others from doing it for free people are going to get pissed off and keep doing it anyways.
It's the same idea with WoW. Nost's community was either old players who unsubbed ages ago and will never sub again because they hate what the game has turned into, or already subscribed retail WoW players who are also playing Nostalrius on the side to see what it was like.
I've been 'boycotting' them for nearly a decade now.
Anyone who still cares about Blizzard after the Activision merger and most of Blizzard North left deserves this shit.
>>334341546
>pissy because Blizz gave alternatives for people that didn't like the fucking hastle that was forming groups for dungeons/raids.
An alternative has no affect on the original. LFG is not an alternative, it was a game changing addition.
fyi
>>334341593
>WoW isnt an MMO
>its massive, filled with content still
>multiplayer, obviously dungeons, pvp, and raids are all multiplayer
>online
>hurr
>roleplaying
>check moonguard
>game
pretty sure its an MMORPG still
>>334341390
No I want actual proof, as in from the source visual data. Like how many accounts are tied to the same IP/customer, how many played for more than a week. Tangible data, not "oh we totally have 1 million accounts, I mean 250k active ones no I uhh mean its 150 people in the last few weeks" you chuckle fuck. We're also taking about a free service, all you people are thinking 150k free players are going to pay money for the same thing, and I'm highly doubting that.
>>334341281
>I literally have no idea how MMO works: the post
>>334341546
You so wrong it's funny.
As I type this I am playing Vanilla wow on a new private server. My toon is already level 19.
>>334341507
You keep remaking the same fucking thread you'll keep getting the same fucking responses.
>>334341684
Yeah because it meant people could actually get shit done in a timely manner.
>>334341271
Just taking what works for one MMO and slapping it on another one with a completely different business plan isn't guaranteed to work. You think Blizzard is allergic to money or something? I guarantee you the issue has come up in a board meeting somewhere at some point and discussed by people with access to more information and a better understanding of the overall direction of the company than you or I.
Ignoring cries for legacy servers isn't a decision they came to just to piss off their customers. They obviously have some sort of plan and whatever it is will almost certainly make more money than you or I will ever see in our lives. Hell maybe they're planning to make WoW fail on purpose to clear the way for their other products.
But to think that you have better insider knowledge of one of the biggest gaming companies on earth than the company itself is just obnoxious and arrogant.
>>334341593
it's only singleplayer because you choose to play it that way
>the game doesn't force us to group
and? if you want "friends", go out and find them yourself. I have literally 70+ people on my friends list that I can group with to run shit together.
>they're not on the same server
who the fuck cares
>>334341704
>Like how many accounts are tied to the same IP/customer, how many played for more than a week
So why your logic modern WoW has no users because we dont have any viable statistics on population count.
You're being massively hypocritical and bias.
>>334341652
I'm one of the guys who tried Nost while having an active sub on retail. Of course I canceled my sub after playing three months on Nost because why the fuck would I play WoD if I can play classic instead.
>>334341546
>Don't give pissy because Blizzard effectively killed the MMO genre as we knew it
lol
>>334341686
>he sits in his garrison
>clicks NPC's and tell them to get shit for me
>h equeues up for raids, dungeons or pvp
>no one talks in chat, ever
where is the logistics??
>>334340469
no. they were only being deluded by their nostalgia. if they were to try out Legion™ they would discover true fun.
>>334341463
>The whole point of playing an MMORPG is to do everything in your power to avoid the massive amount of multiplayer online players
Really?
Try some human interaction once in a while
ITT: But blasted Blizzard employees in panic mode.
>>334341739
Good for you. I've played since vanilla and I don't ever want to go back to it. I like the progression the game has gone through and its hilarious the stubbornness people have towards this issue.
What other MMO do people petition and get in a bitchfest over because its not the game they played 10 years ago?
>Everyone playing a free private server is a guaranteed sale for a subscription model
inb4 people donated, I know, it probably still wouldn't make money. I don't like WoW or Blizzard, I don't give a fuck about these nerds either way, but come on.
>>334341652
So its cunty and pointless but they did it, get over it. They want the game how it is now and not how it was then, you're obviously not their target customers anymore-move on.
>>334341823
>and? if you want "friends", go out and find them yourself.
>it's only singleplayer because you choose to play it that way
The fact that it's even an option undermines the whole point of MMO games you fucking dunce
You are literally the cancer killing MMOs
>>334337445
>space between edge and lord
SHILLS GET OUTTTT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>334341959
You're a shill and it's obvious. It isn't possible for anyone who has played wow to have that opinion without having been paid to form it.
Kill yourself.
>>334341281
Why not just play skyrim?
Better questing, better graphics, better combat. content is better.
>>334341959
No other MMO has had as many players as WoW. You can't compare the fanbase to any other MMO. It would be like if Square made it illegal to play anything other than the newest Final Fantasy game.
>>334341959
>What other MMO do people petition and get in a bitchfest over because its not the game they played 10 years ago?
None because other MMO companies don't actively shut down legacy servers while refusing to host their own. Even fucking Sony has sanctioned the Everquest 1999 server
>>334341746
Firstly, didnt make this thread.
Second, I asked WHY they respond like they do.
>>334341786
This is such horrid and flawed logic. Game designers are entirely known for their terrible business practices and Blizzard is no different. You're talking about a company that missed out on the single largest esport scene OF ALL TIME by failing to capitalize on DOTA, and then proceeded to murder a decade long dedicated custom scene by strangling it with SC2 regulations. Its also a company that has seen massive drops in its main title and two flops of an expansion in a row for its main game.
Dont pretend Blizzard has any actual idea on what they are doing beyond the average person because even /v/ could see obvious shit as being profitable well before Blizzard acted on it. Blizzard is people too, and they make mistakes. Not releasing legacy is one of them.
>>334341827
They're not trying to defend themselves. You people want this so bad, prove there is a market for it. You're being obstinate as fuck because you cannot show any evidence. It;s YOUR burden to prove you deserve this not Blizzards or mine.
God you retards are insufferable
>>334341964
>ignorant, uneducated, pointless zero-content post
>>334341960
I like how the goalpost moved from
>b-but you don't REALLY want to play vanilla, it's shit!
to
>b-but you don't REALLY want to pay for it!
after 800k accounts shoved the shit right into Blizzcuck faces
>>334341823
So you actually play queue simulator and love it? Holy fuck.
And I do care if the player I group up with isn't on the same server because there's no consequence for acting like a retarded faggot. If you acted like a retarded faggot eventually you'd get your shit slapped collectively by the community. Now retards are allowed to fester because they press queue button and retards like you add them to their friends list.
>>334341902
i see people talk in chat frequently
>i can do old quests
>old dungeons
>go try for rare mounts
>go farm
>play arenas
>play battlegrounds
>queue
but yeah i agree garrisons are fucking retarded
theres no doubt the game is more "massive" than it was in vanilla though
>>334337227
You think you don't repost, but you do.
>>334337445
they did what they had to do shutting down nostalrius
however they are incredibly arrogant and short-sighted resisting so much the idea of legacy servers when there is a proven audience for it
at this point it boils down to "we don't want to admit we fucked up and everything after wotlk is shit"
>all this Butt Hurt
relax guys, it's just a video game :)
>>334342157
The irony.
>>334337227
Why should i care?
Both are shit and you guys just love to shipost anyway. FUCK YOU GUYS AND FUCK WOW AND ITS STOCKHOLM SYNDROME FANS!!
>>334341902
>he sits in garrison
Nope, I do my garrison stuff and then leave to do other shit
>clicks NPC's and tell them to get shit for me
That is what you do in a garrison, yeah
>queues up for content in the game
I raid with my guild, do dungeons with my guild, and don't pvp
>no one talks in chat, ever
My server is pretty populated and /world is always full of people chatting
Your points don't apply to me, or majority of the WoW community. Unless you are on a dead server, there is plenty of people talking.
>>334342137
There are two groups of people in this thread. To which of them are you applying that insult?
>>334342171
>goalposts
It's my first post in the thread, chill out nerd. I'm just feeding off the buttrage of all these players, maybe they're right, maybe Blizzard's right, but everything Blizzard has ever done and their culture shows they'll never do something like this.
I'm drinking your autism as you read this.
>>334342280
You're a moron.
>>334342171
>one info graph with no proof
>i cant believe no one believes us
>>334342129
> You people want this so bad, prove there is a market for it. You're being obstinate as fuck because you cannot show any evidence. It;s YOUR burden to prove you deserve this not Blizzards or mine.
I have, but you are continuously being biased and setting up impossible baseless criteria in an attempt to prove there is no market before anyone can claim or prove otherwise. Even 50k players would be enough to cover legacy servers costs and it is literally impossible for Blizzard to not get that number of players. EVERY single example of legacy servers has done better than expected. Nost alone had 1 million accounts and 68k active users.
Whatever, im done with you. Convincing one jaded idiot of the obvious is not going to change anything.
>>334342242
This thread has never been posted before.
>>334342110
>Not releasing legacy is one of them
As much as I'd love to have legacy realms they would be a dumb business decision. Sure, they would gain a lot of players but how on earth would Blizzard sell their 49€ addons every year on top of mounts, pets, level boosts and all the like if people just kept playing vanilla, bc or wotlk?
>>334342235
>>i can do old quests
>>old dungeons
>>go try for rare mounts
>>go farm
are there's any multiplayer actions going on in these singleplayer activities?
>>play arenas
>>play battlegrounds
>>queue
functionally singleplayer which my comment about no one talking in chat was aimed at, literally no one bothers to talk during LFR, RDF or random BG
>>334342363
I have a server.
>>334341384
>tanking brd
>healer is cheerful and fun
>shes says we should add eachother to do more dungeons later
>my first friend since I started playing
>server shuts down next day
Thanks blizzard...
>>334342409
People who want to play on modern will play on modern. People who want to play on legacy, don't play modern.
These are two very simple realities.
>dumb business decision.
Making money is not a dumb business decision
>>334342365
Even the most diehard Blizzdrones on the official forums don't question that infograph.
Don't be stupid f@m
>>334342171
>first it was 150k accounts
>now it's 800k
>>334337227
>Why aren't you boycotting Blizzard /v/. Are you really going to let them get away with this?
I haven't bought anything from Blizzard since like... 2011 or 2012. Not out of some moral purpose though, everything they've put out this decade has been pure shit. I can't comprehend how people still enjoy WoW.
>>334341463
Lol go back to skyrim if you want single player content.
He's right. WoW had ONE thing going for it. It was a game that fostered community and player interaction.
WoW was SHIT at content, SHIT at story, and SHIT at combat. Back in 2004, AND today. It simply cannot compete with games like the witcher 3 for storyline and combat.
It's only strength was that it was a game that fostered community interaction. It sold it's only strength to try to compete with games it had no business competing with.
The developers and lead designers are to blame for this soley. They made this massive miscalculation.
>>334342369
No you have come at me with anecdotal evidence and hearsay but continue on your soapbox. Also you don't know the meaning of jaded apparently so watch who you're calling an idiot there pal.
Why blame blizzard? Blame the constant amount of shills and streamers like sodapoppin who streamed and advertised that server.
>Blizz shut down Nost meme
They didn't. Show me proof they did. Because the actual talk on the ACTUAL Nost forums is either:
1. They weren't paying the server bill, cancelled donation links, then demanded people paid the server bill (via donations) directly to the server provided; who in turn did not accept $1 or $5 or $10 but wanted $100's+ per donation minimum, as such, nobody paid. People went "oh just have one person set up an account and we donate to them, then they pay the bill in one go" and that didn't happen because "they'll just scam us".
OR
2. The apparent C&D letter, which there is 0 (ZERO) proof of existing (there is nothing against the law just photographing it and uploading it) was sent by a rival private server who wanted the players from Nost themselves.
So, until they ACTUALLY provide proof of a C&D, then stop fucking blaming Blizz for what amounts to "W-w-we totes for realzies got told to s-s-stop! E-ee-vil B-blbliz r-r-right?" Despite Blizzard not saying anything about it.
>>334342515
And people who make the decision can't comprehend that there is a difference between retail and vanilla and the guys who like to play vanilla won't sub to WoD/Legion no matter what.
>Boycotting blizzard
Just bought a year wow sub just for you, anon.
>>334342546
800k total, 150k active.
>>334337227
Real talk
Any other private servers to play that are pre-cataclysm? Anything pre-cata is good.
>>334342542
Uh huh. I'm sure.
>>334342546
800k accounts, 150k active "the last 10 days"
>>334341823
70 people? YOu mean you've added everyone on your server?
>>334342707
>implying WoTLK is good
I gonna shove the ulduar's dick up yours.
>>334342636
>No you have come at me with anecdotal evidence and hearsay but continue on your soapbox.
Dont pretend your arbitrary 'argument' was based on any logic. You told me to stand in fire while naked and not get burned and then shouted I was "wrong" for being unable to satisfy your impossible requirements.
So Ill just finish on this; Since Wrath people have wanted legacy, MMO server costs are cheap in comparison to sub fees, Nost was the biggest legacy server of all time and legacy players numbers have only been increasing (1 million accounts alone on Nost), there has never been an unsuccessful legacy server.
Those are facts, now you go jump into that arbitrary fire you built around yourself and burn.
>>334342670
Nice conspiracy theory, not enough aliens/illuminati though. Work on it.
>>334342764
70+ people so maybe there's a couple of bots on his friend list too.
All this whining has made me decide to reactivate my WoW sub. Thanks /v/. Need tog et a few more level 100s before Legion.
>>334342678
There isn't anything we can do to you that would be worse than what you've already done to yourself.
>>334342836
>first it was 800k accounts
>then it was 1 mil
>>334342670
>2. The apparent C&D letter, which there is 0 (ZERO) proof of existing (there is nothing against the law just photographing it and uploading it) was sent by a rival private server who wanted the players from Nost themselves.
I think if it wasn't real Blizzard would have come out saying they didn't actually send anything.
>>334342929
snek
>>334342636
>jaded apparently so watch who you're calling an idiot there pal.
>continuously tells other that old WoW was shit and you dont want to play it
You're jaded.
>>334342852
Where is the proof? Again. There is no law against showing the legal letter they recieved. Yet they didn't. They haven't. Why?
Yet there is 100% undeniable proof that they removed donation links on their forum BEFORE this happened. There is 100% undeniable proof that the server hoster wanted large donations, not small ones. Meaning few people paid.
Why are you denying facts? Do you actually go on the fucking forums? They removed the donation links then said "go straight to the provider". So you do and they want huge chunks. Nobody is dropping $100 on a server.
>supporting Blizzard after 2006
>>334342929
>unironically cucking yourself
>"H-ha.. thanks!"
>>334343003
>Nost shut down
Oh yea??? Prove it!
>nostfags cucked out of their own server
is there any bigger cuckold other than polcucks?
>>334342235
>>334342314
>theres no doubt the game is more "massive" than it was in vanilla though
not at all
more content =/= more massive
with so much content, focus on instancing and several dead servers, the population playing the game gets too dispersed to generate any feel of community and massiveness
wow now feels like a lobby game instead of a living breathing world
the reason people still love vanilla is because it was a simpler, more compact game, in which you had to walk from place to place, in which buying your first mount actually meant something, where you'd actually encounter people while questing, where ganking and world pvp actually took place (gee wee god forbi unrestricted player interaction!)
if they managed to extend the pvp and pve endgame of wow vanilla via some horde vs. alliance system, I'd be rather happy playing it forever over whatever 300 million dollars wow expansion they could come up with
>>334342954
Actually. They wouldn't. Denying they did anything would be them going to their shareholders "lol, we don't shut down people using our products illegally!" and confidence would plummet. They've not come out with a PR statement explaining why they did it either.
Yet these people have not provided evidence of the C&D. We have their word on it.
Yet it is a 100% undeniable fact, that server payment was a problem. They removed donation links (so your $1 didn't go into a big pot) and demanded to paid directly to the server host.
You'd never suceed in business. This is the PERFECT get out clause.
>Can't afford server
>Get people to donate big chunks when they're invested
>People don't cause they're use to it being free
>Know server is going to shut down
>End up saying the reason is that, despite ALL THIS FUCKING TIME BEING UP, they got a C&D RIGHT FUCKING THEN telling them to end it
No. That's completely unlogical.
>>334343180
Wod's poorly coded for private servers
theres a huge wotlk one i think its molten wow or something
>>334342950
>implying a 200k difference means anything
Even a small number of players would be enough to cover server and maintenance costs.
And we are talking about Blizzard, a company who does not have a single game that doesnt go into the hundreds of thousands of players.
And we are also talking about the single most successful MMO of all time releasing legacy servers to the most successful period of MMO growth of all time.
To pretend legacy wouldnt attract hundreds of thousands if not millions of accounts is absolutely insane.
>>334342836
Those are not facts just because you say they are facts sir. You keep pulling these "Facts" out of your ass with no proof and expect me to eat that shit up and I'm not. Take your bullshit arguments with you and take a hike off a short pier.There are not enough people to warrant a server plus staff for a legacy server now until you can prove otherwise with some actual data you didn't pull out of your ass or someone elses ass then you can shut the fuck up, okay? Okay. Have a nice day.
>>334343003
>Where is the proof? Again. There is no law against showing the legal letter they recieved. Yet they didn't. They haven't. Why?
Because
>Dont show letter
>IT DOESNT EXIST
>show letter
>ITS FAKE
You're an idiot who will deny deny deny no matter what
>>334343280
>Those are not facts just because you say they are facts sir.
Not him but literally everything he said is true. Why dont you prove there isnt anyone who wants to play on legacy instead? Oh wait you cant because there are literally hundreds of thousand of people who have been asking for years now.
jad·ed
ˈjādəd/
adjective
tired, bored, or lacking enthusiasm, typically after having had too much of something.
>>334343229
Nobody gives a shit that Blizzard shut down Nost. Everyone is pissed that Blizzard refuses to host their own legacy servers.
>>334343308
Stop feeding the shill
>>334343053
Having fun is bad. Got it.
>>334343280
>There are not enough people to warrant a server plus staff for a legacy server
Source?
>>334343231
I figured there's probably not be any good WoD ones, but the fact that people have a choice in which expansions to play for free on private servers and chose vanilla is proof that there's a market for people who want to play specific expansions, if not just vanilla.
>>334343521
true
>>334341786
Blizz could make modernized Brood War right this second and make shit tons of dosh. But they don't. They are a slow moving company that is stubborn about what they want to do or not.
I dont feel like stirring up more drama.
You know, I just want to play videogames. I want to play good games, not participate in this monthly dramatrain about something. I swear, theres not a single day when you guys aint "boycotting" or losing your shit over something. Videogames are shit, the whole industry has been doomed for all eternity, WoW has ALWAYS been shit and you niggas just need to calm down.
I imagine /v/ to be this big, single dpsgaming-like hivemind thesedays.
Stopped playing wow forever ago and will never play again. Stopped giving a shit about blizzard almost forever ago.
But how do some of you fucks figure that an official vanilla server would pull less players than nostalrius and that ~100k people is unrealistic?
1) You have to learn about private servers from word of mouth
2) You have to take the steps necessary to connect your client to them and play them. This disqualifies normies.
3) Private servers are always inept, corrupt, and they fuck with the game.
4) If they manage to do shit right, they are still unreliable and you could lose months of time investment overnight.
Most people who try private servers quit quickly, like me. If I knew about working blizzlike server with no horseshit like nostalrius years ago I probably would have gotten in if I had any assurance it would stay that way.
I would not be surprised if 10% of wow's entire subscriber base went to vanilla if it became official. Not because vanilla is good or old players will renew subscriptions, I know I fucking wouldn't, but because the expansions are just so god damned bad and anti-social to the point of not being an MMO anymore.
>>334343239
And what about all the staff that has to take care of the issues around the legacy server? Not to mention that a legacy server is just a vipers nest of player complaints and issues that will never result in everyone being happy.
>>334343627
>is just a vipers nest of player complaints
Like every decision made by blizzard in the past decade?
>>334340146
It's still using boiler plate code that exists in the game to this day. just because you don't like the game doesn't mean it's abandonware.
>Blizzard Meeting
>Topic: how to control PR damage after pending Nost closing
>"We'll definitely have to monitor 4chan, Reddit"
>"My staff will cover that"
>"Just remember, we have to mock every person who complains until they go away"
>"Oh, don't you worry. Every thread we see, we'll bump"
>>334342678
get fucking good. I didnt even know blizzard was still a functioning company until i heard nostralius got shut down
>>334343627
>And what about all the staff that has to take care of the issues around the legacy server?
It would be a skeleton crew of people easily covered by even a small number of players paying sub fees. But again, WoW is the SINGLE MOST SUCCESSFUL MMO OF ALL TIME. And Vanilla/TBC/Wrath was the height of that success. To claim Legacy wouldnt get hundreds of thousands of players is just pure madness.
>Not to mention that a legacy server is just a vipers nest of player complaints and issues that will never result in everyone being happy.
Totally irrelevant. People know the issues of legacy servers, if anything people are less likely to complain because they know its content that wont be fixed, rather than modern WoW which has the expectation of working.
The fact is here Blizzard think the people playing modern WoW = the entire WoW community. They imagine anyone who is not playing WoW right now has moved on and is effectively loss goods. The actual reality is we never left, we are still here waiting to play on legacy.
I know you guys are whiny and entitled but how is "We just don't want non standard servers" not the end of the argument? It's Blizzards shit, if they don't want the possible potential extra customers then that's their choice.
>>334343983
>It's Blizzards shit, if they don't want the possible potential extra customers then that's their choice.
Sure. Doesnt stop us from making fun of how stupid Blizzard is though.
>>334343961
You sure seem to speak for lots of people. Oh wait that's /v/ in a nutshell.
>>334343961
there are 500 people employed in customer service for Blizzard Entertainment
"skeleton crew" for shit you're claiming will be more popular than live servers? go fuck yourself
>>334342678
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY8-8AmMTXM
This is what you made of yourself
>>334344060
Right but you guys dont know for sure if what your claiming is true, you just hope it is. What would you say if they made legacy servers then closed them down saying not enough people were playing? I mean sure it COULD be potentially a lot of people but even if blizzard fucks up a lot you think theyd check on this right?
>>334344073
Im speaking logic
>>334344080
A small number in comparison to the other 4,200 employees. You are also forgetting that customer server is divided over multiple games and areas, as well as merchandising and events.
Again, Legacy would pay for itself easily. And lets pretend for a second it doesnt, lets say Legacy totally fails and doesnt even get a single sub. Whats the worst that will happen to Blizzard? Seriously, they have an annual revenue of ONE BILLION DOLLARS. Even if they lost a few million of legacy it would mean absolutely nothing.
>>334344220
>Right but you guys dont know for sure if what your claiming is true
It is true. Read the thread.
>>334344265
By that same logic a few million extra from legacy servers means nothing.
>>334344341
A few guys in a thread on /v/ does not speak for everyone my friend. You guys can say its true but you few people are not the big numbers your spouting about though.
Can someone explain how nostalrius is copyright infringement?
You have to distribute/publish to violate someone's copyright, right? How is running a server doing that? They aren't distributing the wow client, they aren't distributing the materials they use to create the server software.
Also I'm trying to imagine the reaction if blizzard tried to take down brood war's iccup.
>>334344265
>companies should make bad business decisions just for the fuck of it! They have money they can spend it how they want!
you seriously have to be 18 years or older to post on 4chan.
>>334337884
SSSENSATIONAL
>>334344367Only person who replied with actual logic
Thats true in a way, but a sustainable income of millions greatly outweighs the potential and hugely unlikely chance of Legacy failing once.
>>334344441
Like I said, read the thread. You missed the point. And also the facts.
>>334344501
>taking into account the worst case scenario when its probability of occurring is next to none to make a point makes you underage
Kid, take your own advice.
Maplestory private server player here, I'll try and sum this up as shortly as possible
>Nost runs vanilla
>vanilla is outdated as fuck, obviously
>companies don't usually care if there's a private server out there running a totally outdated version of their game, unless it's cutting into their profits
>Nost gets ~14k players online the pvp server at all times of the day
>Nost gets reports by gaming journalism outlets
>Nost Nost Nost, best Vanilla server ever
>Blizzard notices
>prank idea: shut it down
>the madmen do it
>people are like NOOOO THEY CAN'T DO THAAAAAT
>they totally can
Like with Nexon shutting down Extalia, Odin, etc, if they feel it's taking away their profit, they can totally shut it down. I mean, private servers are /technically/ illegal, anyway. Nost was just unlucky because of how popular it was.
>>334344483
They are hosting a game with blizzard characters, blizzard art, blizzard stories, and blizzard assets, using the official blizzard client to interact with said blizzard content.
You can't make a Moving Company called "Arthas the Lich King's Moving company"
that breaks copyright even if it isnt a fucking videogame
>>334344483
Blizzard supports Brood War still though. Also its infringement because they are using their assets without permission. Yes they're old but its still copyrighted under world of warcraft.
>>334344483
The fact is we dont know, no one does. The law on this area is hugely grey and no private citizen has the money to go up against Blizzard to test the law on the issue. Ignore any post that suggests Blizzard is in their rights or that private server owners are in the right
>>334337227
I didn't play Nostalrius but I don't need it as a reason to hate Blizzard.
Last decent game they made was WOLTK and they went full Jew with Starcraft and Diablo
>>334337884
Copied. Someone gonna write this every thread?
>>334344726
How is it grey?
>we remade your game logic using all your assets without your consent
>omg how could this happen
>>334344774
So a Nost player meets a normal player online.
"hey buddy did you see the cool stuff in legion?"
Visibly upset, the Nostralius player starts going on a tirade:
"Vanilla is much better than wow. We had real talents, real pvp, real fun, and a real community, what do you have?"A server
Still can't find this anywhere: How exactly did Blizzard take down Nost? I thought that with the server being held in France that Blizz couldn't touch it.
>>334344680
>They are hosting a game with blizzard characters, blizzard art, blizzard stories, and blizzard assets
All of those are on the user's client
>using the official blizzard client to interact with said blizzard content.
The user is doing this, not nostalrius. Also you didn't answer my question. Use is not distribution.
>>334344689
They use assets from the game on their servers yes, like meshes and pathing. But it's not distribution.
>>334344956
The users only paid for the right to use the client for a certain amount of time.
As long as they dont pay for a subscription they are not allowed to use the client either.checkmate, atheists
>>334344726
The closest case I can remember that could be related is the guy who hacked the ps3 and got served for it. Didn't he get in trouble for distributing the encryption shit? Not just hacking his copy of software?
>>334344657
It basically comes down to they're not going to make or lose anything substantial so why bother. They already have sustainable millions so a few more sustainable millions means nothing. However potential waste (losses) gains more (ill) favor than gains grant positive favor. Basically its not worth their time either way. People just hope and want them to notice and so far they are not is what it boils down to.
I've been boycotting Blizzard for the past 18 years
>>334345048
That's EULA, which may be complete horseshit on a case by case basis, not copywrite law.
>>334344931
>How is it grey?
Because im a lawyer and im telling you copywrite law is grey all over the world. Its hugely debated and rarely tested because as I just said, private citizens cant afford to take large companies to court.
Also, I doubt anyone here has any grasp on French IP law, which this would be based in.
>>334345075
Thats a US case though. God knows what the French do for IP law.
>Rebirth managed to keep their server despite actually being taken to court by Blizz
>Nost gets shut down despite being located in Europe
>>334337227
>boycotting
I'm about to pay for the legacy Blizzard games. Stay mad, cuck
>>334345109
>It basically comes down to they're not going to make or lose anything substantial so why bother.
Because they are a company that wants to make money.
>They already have sustainable millions so a few more sustainable millions means nothing
See above
>However potential waste (losses) gains more (ill) favor than gains grant positive favor.
That isnt logical at all. If legacy came out and flopped no one would even care, thats why it would flop.
>Basically its not worth their time either way. People just hope and want them to notice and so far they are not is what it boils down to.
See first point, again.
Inb4 you claim 'but we dont know if it will make money!' because I already addressed that multiple times, literally no way it could fail.
>>334343308
If they show me the letter, I'm more prone to believe it than them going "Trust us guys ;)"
>>334345272
They pussied out. They got a single letter from a law firm and decided to shut down.
Firms love playing chicken with people, because most people see a single official looking letter from lawyers with big words and get scared.
>>334345350
>too big to fail logic
Oh you.
>>334344939
Here is the breakdown:
1. Nostralius can no longer pay for their servers using donations, since the server host does not accept individual donations and if the Nost guys take it thats as if they're making profit from it
2. The only solution they thought up was for some magical Übermensch to pay the full price of the server hosting month per month, due on the 10th of every month. They announced this in the forums and had an open invitation for people to do it.
3. Nobody did it
4. Its literally time to pay up and they dont have the money
5. Nostralius magically gets "contacted" by English and French lawyers representing blizzard telling them to shut down their servers by the 10th. Quote: "or as long as the host lets us"
6. No images, screenshots, photos, copy-pasted text over these cease and desist "contacts"
7. Payday is up, blizzard shuts down their servers coincidentially at the same time.
8. Nost sends a sad letter to blizzard, riles up the fans, and promises to leak the source code for the servers.
9. To this day that hasnt happened. Its not like they're busy.
10. you're getting fucking played.
>>334343504
>ask for proof Blizz shut down server
>SHILL SHILL SHILL
Do you even know what a shill is? Or you buzzwording again?
>>334345418
If they show it you'll claim its fake, we both already know this.
Its actually irrelevant though. We should be talking about legacy servers, not nost in particular.
>>334344939
They hired a French legal firm to do it.
>>334345445
Ironically that statement was true when the banks didnt fail, but back to the point, read my other posts, there are many reason why legacy servers dont fail which I raised already.
It all comes down to this you're not getting legacy servers. No amount of whining or "but but numbers!" is going to change that. We dont need these threads every day from you whiny fucktards.
>>334345420
They apparently got a letter. No letter has materialised. Just their word.
>>334345647
Again, you would say it was fake if they showed it anyway.
And again, the existence or non existence of this letter is literally irrelevant.
>>334345492
I can't call it fake if I can't see it. Instead they're going "Blizz totally did this, not us! Please! PLEASE! DON'T LOOK AT THE FACT WE TOOK OUR DONATION PAGE AWAY NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
>>334345586
>everything is based on free legacy servers
>somehow that transfers 1:1 to paid legacy servers
Okay ...
>>334337227
>boycott Blizzard
I would, but I'm really looking forward to Overwatch.
Until now I haven't really given a shit about Blizzard since Cataclysm came out.
As shitty as they have recently been, Overwatch still looks fun.
>>334345707
legal firms dont keep records of their stuff, i mean, thats not something LAW OFFICES do, right? There would be no way to verify that document's validity, those mean shills will just claim its fake!
>>334345718
See >>334345492
>>334345729
>>everything is based on free legacy servers
And the hundreds of private servers for other MMOs, and the other cases where private servers have been legitimized like RS.
>>334345835
ah nice deflect!
>>334345805
See >>334345707
Stop deflecting to this Nost letter bullshit, its not relevant to legacy discussion
>>334345917
>ran around in circles
>nice deflect!
You're the one deflecting. The issue here is legacy servers and if its worth it, not whether or not the Nost guys are idiots.
>>334345707
In this instance, it isn't. A letter could show Blizz are keen to make sure no vanilla servers up for when they release legacy. A letter would show they actually got a latter, instead of the far more likely event that they ran out of money (Blizz has taken servers to court BASED IN THE USA and FAILED. This is a prescient, look it up, meaning a legal case in ANOTHER COUNTRY would be even harder).
We already know they took their donation pages away. Why? WHY? Why did they do that?
The logical reason is they ran out of money and blamed Blizz. Especially since there are bigger private servers out there like moltencore or whatever it's called, plus a couple of other ones.
There was no reason to shut it down. There is no proof of a letter. An official letter would be spottable, a fake would be easy to spot.
Logic dictates they ran out of money and the server shut down, so they blamed Blizz. Rather than going "We ran out of money". I actually go on the forums and that has been said countless times.
>>334345451
If blizzard never sent them a C&D, why would they stay quiet on the subject when a shitload of people are pissed at them?
Blizzard C&D'd rebirth. We know it's modus operandi.
Your best evidence is the timing of nastolrius's donation problems. But their entire history is plagued with donation problems, so it's literally the norm for them to be broke and clawing for survival. Lame coincidence you have there.
>>334345835
Umm Runescape is free. WoW is not.
>>334345973
>op image
someone here is posting on the wrong thread, and it aint me.
>>334345973
But it is relevant.. Because people are blaming Blizz and making fucking petitions to get it back online. Blizz are unlikely to have done anything. This shit is on the BBC.
This is RELEVANT because Blizz COULD be being attacked with DDOS and negative press for no more reason than some fuckers couldn't make a profit out of a private server any more, so ended it.
>>334345997
See >>334345707 and >>334345919
>>334346015
I realize not everyone can play all games but please educate yourself on games before you post about them. RS and RS07 both have sub fees.
>>334345451
This. Copy pasting this.
>>334345997
>(Blizz has taken servers to court BASED IN THE USA and FAILED. This is a prescient, look it up, meaning a legal case in ANOTHER COUNTRY would be even harder).
Actually, they would be safer in the US because the failure set a precedence there. We really don't know what would happen in a french case.
>>334346001
its never smart to get involved in legal actions that do not affect you.
The fact that Blizzard has not said anything is more telling that they are not fucking touching this shit with a 10 foot pole, they're keeping the fuck away.
>Claim the CnD was real, that brings all the legal bullshit along with it.
>Claim it is fake, that brings MORE legal bullshit along with it
fuck that, blizzard can take the hit of 150000 angry nerds who weren't even playing their game right.
They banned more guys for botting last year.
>>334346124
Arguing about Nost is absolutely irrelevant. No one will even remember it in a month.
The actual issue is whether or not legacy servers should exist.
But I realize now what you are trying to do is deflect away from that issue, because you dont want to address how stupid Blizzard is being by not releasing them.
I have been since WoTLK and Starcraft 2, OP.
I'm sorry you're either underage and/or retarded and are just not hopping onto the bandwagon, but we're glad to have you.
Just remember to wear your helmet.
>>334346140
>t-t-this isn't a-a-a-about B-b-b-blizz and N-n-nost
>OP literally says "Why aren't you boycotting Blizzard /v/. Are you really going to let them get away with this?"
>Picture is of Nost
Uh-huh.
>>334345451
https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=43600
Source code's being released on the 30th.
>>334345997
>We already know they took their donation pages away. Why? WHY? Why did they do that?
Why would you continue to take donations for something you are about to be sued for?
>>334346279
Jesus anon are you really doing this? RS has a fraction of the game as F2P, the vast majority is sub based for members, of which it has sub fees for both RS and RS07.
Also, WoW has a free to play option as well.
>>334346354
Just because OP is baiting and you fell for it doesnt mean I have to stoop to your stupidity. This thread turned into a legacy debate ages ago, not my fault you cant read.
>>334346390
Up to level 20 ...
You can play most of the game as free member in runescape.
Meanwhile, Neo-WOW
>Garrisons 2.0
>Timeless Isle 3.0
>Mythic+ Dungeons (Like mythic, its just copy pasted content with an extra debuff or more ground fire, all with a speedrun timer for loot)
>>334337227
Would someone P L E A S E explain to me why people pretend to miss Nostal?
It could have been good but it quickly became russian shitters and chinkbots simulator 1.12, literally nothing of value was lost, stop shilling these shit threads
>>334346472
>You can play most of the game as free member in runescape.
Great, now you're backpedaling.
RS is not free, it has a active membership community.
>>334346482
timeless isle was great
>>334346508
Because you could ARCANITE REAPER HO those faggots.
On live they get their own little instance of free gold to fuck the game economy.
>>334346472
>You can play most of the game as free member in runescape.
No you cant. That is literally like saying you can play WoW for free because of its free trial.
>>334346532
...But your comparing a private server for a free game to a private server for a fully sub game.
>>334346217
>its never smart to get involved in legal actions that do not affect you.
What legal action? The theory is that there is no C&D and no legal action. If that's the case, nastolrius has committed libel.
>Claim it is fake, that brings MORE legal bullshit along with it
I'm sure a multi billion dollar corporation can safely say we didn't send a letter if they didn't send a letter
>fuck that, blizzard can take the hit of 150000 angry nerds who weren't even playing their game right.
They can take 0 better
>>334346553
For about a month, then it became "Sit and camp the mount spawn"
WoW is video game Sin
You should be ashamed to have played this satanic garbage.
>>334346226
I'm not even the guy you were arguing with.
Do I think Legacy servers should exist? Yes. Yes I do. I think servers should start from the beginning, with the relevant exploit and bug fixes. I think there should be a 2 year span of this. Then a TBC legacy server is release. You can then copy and paste your Vanilla Legacy server into the TBC server. Keeping both. Or not do either. You can then use the same abilities retail has, like gender/class/faction/race change. So your Undead Warrior can become a Blood Elf Paladin. Or whatever.
In a perfect world, I'd want vanilla, but with Blood Elves/Dranaei/Goblin/Worgen and DK's added into the start. Allowing you to play all the content with these classes/races. All of it can be 'fluffed' as being there from the start ANYWAY. Naxx is there, so DK's still make sense. Worgen and Goblins existed in Vanilla. BE's aren't hard to fit in.
The problem is, do people want vanilla, as in proper vanilla, which got updated at the same speed as retail. Or do people want vanilla at pre-TBC patch, where it had TBC talent trees? If so, why not allow BE Paladins and Draeni Shaman?
That's the difficult question. If it's like retail, that means falling through the floor, exploits, bugs and loads of other shit which you have to wait to get fixed.
>>334346592
>...But your comparing a private server for a free game to a private server for a fully sub game.
The fuck are you smoking
RS is sub based. RS07 is sub based.
WoW is sub based. Legacy would be sub based.
Are you trolling, or stupid? Im seriously asking, is this a really bad ruse?
Oh Jesus, you think RS07 is unofficial, dont you? Its run by Jagex you idiot.
Yo, Blizzard shills, how much do you get paid per hour? How do I apply for these marketing jobs? I wouldn't mind selling my soul.
>>334338574
There were 800,000+ registered accounts.
>>334346226
>The actual issue is whether or not legacy servers should exist.
Anyone arguing against is borderline retarded. There's so many online games that only survive because they are hosted by a community, either p2p or dedicated servers. This is the norm for old PC games.
Yes WoW is not "abandonware", but blizzard basically maintains WoW in version number only, it doesn't resembe vanilla at all.
>>334346686
>That's the difficult question. If it's like retail, that means falling through the floor, exploits, bugs and loads of other shit which you have to wait to get fixed.
They do what Nost did. Fix bugs and issues without compromising the vanilla experience. Its not a hard job either, a handful of french twats in their garage did it, and so do many other garage and/or basement dwelling dweebs.
Hell if this was Valve legacy servers would have been up years ago and Valve would have installed another swimming pool filled with money to use as a handful of underpaid modders do all the work for them.
>>334337227
>Are you really going to let them get away with this?
Yes I will, because I don't want or care about legacy servers.
>>334346736
Blizzard has gone on record saying they have 100 million free registered Bnet accounts
sounds like nost needs to catch up.oh wait they cant anymore
>>334346723
No Im saying your comparisons are flawed. None of the private servers made anywhere near the numbers or revenue your claiming they did. Hardly any were blips on the radar. Runescape makes next to nothing compared to WoW so even if their legacy system worked out and blew up their profits, those profits compared to someone like Blizzard is nothing. Legacy servers will NOT bring in this huge flux of revenue, especially enough to warrant blizzard giving a shit. Your delusion if you think otherwise, delusion or just have such a hard on for legacy that your brain is addled.
>>334346870
But unlike Value Blizzard has games to work on
>>334345451
So Nost pretty much gave up without any sort of fight eh? No surprise considering they're French.
>>334337227
>reddit literally on their homepage
>>334347235
is that sam hyde
>>334341214who's (s)he?
>>334346958
Iv already addressed all these points, read the thread.
>>334347120
underrated post
>>334346958
>Legacy servers will NOT bring in this huge flux of revenue, especially enough to warrant blizzard giving a shit.
So Blizzard should stop selling D2 then? Because it doesnt make much if any money these days, right?
The cost/benefit of MMOs is easily shift-able. As your numbers increase and the benefit from subs rise you can offset your costs, and vica versa if you are losing subs and increasing in costs you can decrease those costs by hosting less and having less maintenance. This is literally what modern WoW has had to do since WotLK drop.
The fact is Blizzard would make millions from Legacy servers, and the actual reason why they havnt done it yet isnt because its unprofitable, but because they are waiting for modern WoW to actually die, because that would be the point where the most profits can be made from legacy.
>>334347698
>The fact is Blizzard would make millions from Legacy servers, and the actual reason why they havnt done it yet isnt because its unprofitable, but because they are waiting for modern WoW to actually die, because that would be the point where the most profits can be made from legacy.
This. If Legacy servers were ever made the best time would be at the very end of WoWs life, not in its downward spiral its in now. Blizzard will release Legacy once WoW is really hitting rock bottom.
/thread
>>334347427
I've read the thread. It's all bullshit. You're grossly exaggerating numbers. None of your facts are true at all. If it was a viable or worthwhile investment it would be done it's that simple. People can think they know more about business than the business but they don't. It's not a priority for them therefore it's not going to happen. End of story.
>>334347698
You really comparing an old single player game that doesn't change to an MMO that requires support and change? You're an idiot.
>>334347698
>>334347798
Do explain your thoughts process and calculations to prove that Legacy servers would bring in millions
>>334348020
They can't, all they spout is " Nos has "ambiguous number" players so of course all of them will switch to a paid version.
>>334347991
You didnt read the middle part of my post that addressed that point? No anon, you're the idiot.
>>334347873
>its all bullshit
>no facts!
Irony. There are a lot of complicated ideas going around here as to why Legacy wouldnt fail for Blizzard and you havnt addressed any of them. I dont know why you are jaded by this and honestly I dont care, if you legitimately want to learn why not releasing legacy is a mistake im willing to explain but you dont seem to be so I wont bother any more.
>>334347991
Read the thread, been addressed so many times now.
>1 week later
>Still crying
>>334337227
Is it some kind of new incarnation of GAMURGATE threads? Stop spamming board with your shitty threads, about some shitty pirate server. I'm not even defending Blizzard, which is terrible company at this point, but fuck of with your whiny crap.
>current year
>playing fucking wow
Just end yourself
Being a Software Engineer and understanding how management operates and thinks
Blizzard won't even temp the idea for years. Blizzard became a 'big company' (obviously they were big, but now they act big) and because of it they've become completely inflexible
Doesn't matter if there's profit to be made, they'll think it's a risk to their main game, or that it'll take too many resources to develop/run.
>>334337420
>wanting terrorist attacks because a private wow server got shut down
/tipsfedora
>>334337227
>why aren't you boycotting blizzard /v/
because i'm not an autistic sperg
>>334347350
No answer?
>>334348218
>they'll think it's a risk to their main game, or that it'll take too many resources to develop/run.
Blizzard are notorious for bad business decisions and poor management after all. The salt from losing dota is going to mark them forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5c_TyajItw
omfg
This must be the 20th of these threads in 2 days
Everything here has been handled a million times(at least 20) why can't you fucking cucks just accept that the server is gone, there will NEVER be legacy servers and there should not be legacy servers. You have private servers, why don't you play on them?
>but muh qualtiy scripts
There's a fucking repack of vanilla server for everyone to download on AC web fully scripted and working exactly as vanilla wow should.
>b-but im willing to give money to cuckizzard for legacy servers
Why? you can play them for free
Just don't go shout about it on the internet
There is no real reason for anyone, ANYONE, to be mad at blizzard for taking nost down. You brought it to your selves...
>>334347873
>People can think they know more about business than the business but they don't.
I try hard every day to believe this but holy shit, it tests me.
Maybe you should throw it out when a clear downward spiral starts. Especially if a company is so large it's become bureaucratic, unadaptable, and most importantly, out of touch. There is a fast approaching limit to how stubborn blizzard can get and there's an internal reason why their best people got the fuck out.
>>334348640
>You have private servers, why don't you play on them?
Because official ones cant be sued by Blizzard
Coming from someone who maintains and deals with high end servers on a day to day basis for large companies:
If 150K people signed up for a legacy server, and lets be honest that is a pretty generous guess, it would only make $2,248,500 a month. Taking into server costs to house players it would be roughly $100-300K dollars per month per server. Taking in staff costs to maintain the server plus extra CS probably looking in the neighborhood of 1 million per month to run these servers. So a profit (extremely)roughly 1.2 million a month.
That's not a lot for what we're dealing with. Is it profit? Sure. It it warranted profit? Probably not. Assuming it even got those numbers, 150k people, it would probably get a lot less greatly reducing its per month profit.
Food for thought. /shrug
1. Blizzard is literally incapable of producing something good if they wanted to now. Any good staff they have left are bunkered away in the art and music departments with the doors locked. Their "bigger than ever" staff is a bunch of marketers and people willing to compromise anything to do what daddy activision wants.
2. If you faggots would stop sucking on WoW's teat, private server or not, and let Blizzard lie in the grave it dug for itself, we might actually get a good MMO again someday.
3. If anything, you should be questioning and campaigning against the state of current intellectual property laws and not one company's perfectly legal behavior.
>>334348719
>Coming from someone who maintains and deals with high end servers on a day to day basis for large companies:
Blizzard have special deals with their providers, dont pretend you are in the same league.
>>334348708
You need immunity? go live in your god damn bubble and stay there or don't live at all
I bet you get triggered daily by some usual shit like a stranger saying "hi"
>pirate game
>illegally host a server so that hundreds of thousands of people can participate in the piracy of a game from a 19 billion dollar company owned by activison
>surprised when said company, owned by ACTIVISION, takes it down
/v/ pls. It sucks, but you all should have known this was going to happen.
>>334348719
All that bullshit
Anet already posted the costings for servers for large scale MMOs for both servers and employee maintenance, its fucking pennies.
Ill try to find that link
>>334348776
Dont pretend you know about stuff you clearly have no clue in. Those figures are low balled numbers at cost son. Off the market those would cost way more so sit down when the adults are talking.
>>334348640
>why can't you fucking cucks just accept that the server is gone
>You have private servers, why don't you play on them?
wat
i don't care enough, i'm ok with no wow in my life. i put 35 days in to nostalrius and luckily sold my account about 2 months ago. i'm not going to fight for shit but if blizzard opened a vanilla progression server i'd play on it. otherwise i'm just going to continue not giving a fuck about wow
>>334348851
Forgot my pic
>>334337663
>demand
You think blizzard/activision hasn't looked into that?
If they could make easy money by making a vanilla server and not having to worry about patches, they would.
But the small amount of people that played a FREE vanilla server proves that there is no demand for this by the general audience.
>>334348880
>Dont pretend you know about stuff you clearly have no clue in.
Irony and projection, congratz you won bingo!
Now piss off kid.
>>334348858
Are you trying to say a million dollars isnt pennies to huge companies? Really son?
>>334337227
>playing mmos
>playing blizzard games ever
what the fuck is wrong with you?
>>334348934
Top rebuttal kiddo, have a cookie. It's nap time.
>>334348962
Reading comprehension: the post
>>334348883
Do i really have to clarify?
Nostalrius is gone and won't come back
but
there are other private servers out there literally hundreds of them. Just like picking apples from a tree
I've played wow 10 years on private servers
servers come and they go, just like all of us
Why do you need EXACTLY nostalrius?
>>334348962
Are you really pretending you know what you are talking about when we already know server costs and maintenance are absolutely nothing to AAA MMO companies? Really idiot? really? Back to your containment board >>>/a/
>>334348508
the dota loss is still the most hilarious thing ever
It's a good thing too or else dota would be poisoned by blizzard garbage
>>334349063
>Why do you need EXACTLY nostalrius?
Are you retarded?
>There's thousands of private servers with hardly any people at all who play on them, have fucked up rates, lag and drops.
>Why do you want the one that had hundreds of thousands of players and played perfectly as if it was an official server from Blizzard?
>>334349059
>>334348934
I love all these blatant underage posts. I'm sorry they took your server away but really, don't make a fool of yourself on an image board.
I hadn't bought a Blizzard game since Brood War until Wings of Liberty and then that had some bullshit where your copy of the game only works with a certain b.net account and I didn't bother with any more.
>>334348919
>But the small amount of people that played a FREE vanilla server proves that there is no demand for this by the general audience.
Actually that's a large number of people considering how fucking horrible of a reputation private servers have made for themselves. Also any private server is word of mouth only and people are limited to what their friends are playing. An official server would pull a shitload more people.
>>334343847
I wish I had like 3k € just to spend on meaningless videogames.
I didn't play Nostalrius (though I almost did)
I just want to play WoW with people again. Not inhabit a barren world and click things in my garrison and partake in dead silent dungeons and raids and guilds that only exist for the perks.
>>334349084
>they actually tried to sue Valve over it
They had like eight years to capitalize on Dota while it was on the custom scene, and they didn't even start until after Riot AND Valve did it.
And taking custom content and turning it into a franchise isnt a new idea, Valve had done it with so many games before. They didnt even copy them.
Blizzard really are the worst jews in the business, they want to make money but just fail all the time. Its a miracle they make any money at all.
>>334349082
Are you really pretending to note have reading comprehension? That is nothing but so is adding legacy servers. The profits are NOTHING. That's the point child.
>>334349063
>there are other private servers out there literally hundreds of them. Just like picking apples from a tree
Which ones aren't shit?
How long do the not shit ones have until blizzard comes knocking?
>>334349247
>lets shut down D2 because it doesn't sell any more!
Oh god my sides
>The profits are NOTHING.
This is the most naive, underage, stupid post in the entire thread.
Profits are profits, Blizzard go after deals in the hundreds of thousands all the time, a sure thing like legacy making millions is a good idea for them.
>>334349178
>Guy says AAA MMO dev posts costs of maintaining a server is extremely cheap
>Nostalrius posts their server of 150k active costs around $1000 USD to operate on a monthly basis
Not quite a million
>>334349364
Legacy is not a sure thing. Stop being retarded.
>>334349169
>There's thousands of private servers with hardly any people at all who play on them, have fucked up rates, lag and drops.
source please
as said
I HAVE played wow on private servers for 10 years. and none of that is true
most servers that are worth playing have 1k-3k on peak hours. lags and drops have never been an issue and the rates are always told on either the main page or the forums
just bother to do a little bit of research and you will find a server better then nostalrius
Or better then what blizz' legacy server would be
Don't fucking talk to me with your exprience from one private server with all that greatly rumored lag and drop shit
>>334349217
>>334343847
Or just 'inspect element' and change the numbers yourself!
Wow, you're on your way to becoming a multi-millionaire hacker.
>>334337227
I'm not a jaded faggot like you. Also private servers get shutdown. I never played a L2 or RO private server and not expected to lose my characters.
That's the nature of private servers. Keep crying though, its hilarious.
>>334349441
Their server is nowhere near 150k active players.
>but they said it was!
Ok kid.
>>334349282
>Which ones aren't shit?
I don't know, i don't play much wow these days but if you do a bit of research on a servers forums and you'll find one
>How long do the not shit ones have until blizzard comes knocking?
It will be up as long as they are able to pay their bills, and people don't go around internet shouting about it
Blizzard already stated why they wont release legacy, and although it was poorly worded its pretty clear
>You think you do, but you don't
Blizzard wont release legacy, because they think old WoW was shit.
>b-but how can someone who make something think what they made is shit!
But they didnt. The people who made Vanilla/TBC dont work at Blizzard, at least very few of the main guys do. New Blizzard is all about stroking their own cocks and showing off their faili- I mean succeeding MMO, modern WoW.
And no amount of money will ever stop Blizzard from stroking their own cock and claiming modern WoW is the greatest thing since white bread. Legacy threatens that.
give me 5 reasons to try out nostalrius
go
>>334349597
it probably was pretty accurate. did you play the server every day for 6 months like i did? i have no idea how much a normal vanilla wow server had back in the day but nost felt like 10 times the population of a normal server
>>334349597
15k people online simultaneously pretty regularly makes me believe this particular statistic to be true.
>>334349828
It wouldnt be the first private server to fuck with the numbers
>>334349869
Wouldn't be the first private server to fuck your mom either.
>>334349719
> i have no idea how much a normal vanilla wow server had back in the day but nost felt like 10 times
Sounds like you dont quite have all the information then huh? They might have had 150k accounts created over the lifetime but 150k active? Not a chance. Maybe,MAYBE, 50k active if they were lucky. They are exaggerating or misrepresentating real data to try and plead a pity case and apparently tons of people are falling for it.
>>334349623
cont.
I'm currently looking forward to play_tbc
And with my private server experience, none of the servers i've played on have been take down by blizz. It has either been problems with the server fees or the owner has been a money grabber(which has happened only once)
>>334349869
>Server literally full to bursting every day
>inflate the numbers to be even bigger
Logical
>>334349869
>It wouldnt be the first private server to fuck with the numbers
If we argue that then we have to argue that Blizzard also fuck with their numbers
Which is more likely; small group not making profits fucking with numbers or large corporation that needs large numbers to ensure more numbers join fucking with numbers.
My money is on Blizzard being the kikes here.
>>334349828
Uhhh what? 15k people online regularly leans closer to 15k active players not 150k.
>>334349968
>They might have had 150k accounts created over the lifetime but 150k active?
They had 800k accounts with 150k active with about 15k daily.
>>334350039
"Active players" was defined as the amount of people logging in over the course of 10 days.
15k online simultaneously, 150k active, 800k registered. Those are their numbers
>>334349673
This
Blizzard is made up of nothing but new sycophants to activision. They are delusional, they overestimate themselves, and they have no respect for what they inherited.
The legacy question is like the world pvp question. They literally have no concept of what fun is.
>>334350034
>not making profit
Oh yes Im sure all those donations were not being used. Good guy Nost.
>>334350151
Either they were running out of money and couldnt cover costs or they were rolling in money and got a C&D to stop from Blizzard
Make up your mind
Also, people keep claiming there was a donation page, but I never saw it and iv never seen proof.
>mfw nostalrius had almost as many players as eve online
>>334350108
>>334350136
>He believes that info graph
No. Not even close. They wont release real evidence of this, just made up numbers.
>>334350245
Well Eve is shit.
>>334350232
I'm not the guy claiming why they were shut down but to say they running the server out of the goodness of their hearts is beyond ignorant.
This is from nostalrius' website
I my self don't believe in those numbers but it was a smart move from them. Trying to strike fear in to the heart of blizzard, but it doesn't matter.
>>334350364
Only if you're a retard who couldn't get past the tutorial.
>>334337227
Who honestly cares?
You guys are just going to buy the expansion anyways.
>>334350392
Yes the much heralded info graph. Anyone who believes those numbers is as delusional as Nostalrius is dead.
>>334350407
Played for a year. Exploration is fun, everything else is shit.
The stuff the community spouts about corps being good is utter horsehit. That entire part of the game is actually its biggest flaw.
>>334337227
because i didnt play on that server or another private server, havent touched wow in 5 years. and im proud of it.
OP you should contact people WHO were actually playing on it using other method than this.
>>334350509
>Yes the much heralded info graph. Anyone who believes those numbers is as delusional as Blizzard is dead.
Fixed
>>334350392
why are those numbers hard to believe
nost was the biggest wow server ever, it had more active generals than regular wow, more views on twitch, more hits on youtube. it was a massive thing which is evidenced by all the butthurt spilling all over /v/ and other forums
>>334350298
It's impossible to release "real evidence" so I don't think they're going to trip over themselves to convince you.
I'm just basing it on what I've seen on the server.
>>334338123
>devote a corner of one of your already existing servers to vanilla
>maintenance mode, doesn't need active development
>don't need to hire any new employees
it's literally free money.
>>334350392
Sounds like bullshit entire time I played I never saw more than 11k players and most of the time it peaked at 6k unless there was an event going on. On top of that a shit load of them were fucking gold spammers flooding my ignore list.
>>334350652
Not to mention it was so popular even the gaming press was playing it and reporting on how popular it was.
The fact is Blizzshills dont want to add any credibility to the thought that modern WoW is shit and people want to play old WoW instead.
Nostalrius: You have allowed this greed to twist your mind, until now, until now you've become the very thing you swore to destroy.
Activision-Blizzard: Don't lecture me, Nostalrius! I see through the lies of Vanilla Wow. I do not fear the casuals as you do. I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new World of Warcraft.
Nostalrius: Your new World of Warcraft??!
Activision-Blizzard: Don't make me kill you.
Nostalrius: Blizzard, my allegiance is to the fans, to the playerbase.
Activision-Blizzard: If you're not with me, then you're my enemy.
Nostalrius: [realizing that Blizzard is consumed by evil and there's no reasoning with him anymore] Only Activision deals in absolutes.
[draws his private-server]
Nostalrius: I will do what I must.
Activision-Blizzard: You will try.
[draws his C&D and confronts Nostalrius]
>>334350652
I believe that Nostalrius was never meant to last, but to show blizzard what truly is missing on, but that didn't work either
>>334350746
You are stupid, go back to school.
active accounts does not mean 150k players online at the same time, but how many accounts were logging in at least weekly or so...
>>334350873
Fuck off retard if it never breaks 6k on average and I played a LOT when they need to log in every 10 days no fucking way it gets near 150k.
>>334345798
It's team fortress 2 with a reskin. That's it.
This was a very dumb decision by Blizzard in the long run. Now nearly none of the players from Nostalrius will buy another Blizzard game. No sells from Overwatch, no sells from Legion, no sub money, no next Diablo expac money, etc...
>>334350964
lol what a queer
when I played they were peaking 13k and barely ever went below 10k.
you realize that even if it was 6k avg a day that doesn't mean 6kx7 was their weekly active accounts. people don't play all day, most people only play for a few hours, so you're constantly cycling that 6k. everyone that logs in is considered active.
>>334350964
How would you know? you don't have the logs do ya?
but as i said before i don't believe in those numbers
>>334351079
You're assuming they gave Blizzard money anyway. Thats the big assumption made by everyone, that Blizzard "lost" customers from this when most of them were never going to be or have been a customer anyway.
>>334351079
>This was a very dumb decision by Blizzard in the long run. Now nearly none of the players from Nostalrius will buy another Blizzard game. No sells from Overwatch, no sells from Legion, no sub money, no next Diablo expac money, etc...
o lord ppl playing on a free server not wanting to buy blizz's game..........
>>334351198
>>334351186
>falling for false flags
My sides
>>334345451
Blizzard in maximum damage control.
>>334351135
You and like 10 people are this fucking delusional should of said 30k active might be remotely believable by more than dense morons like yourself. Even at 30k it's a stretch I'd say active players was more like 23k.
>>334349218
I did, but stopped playing as work and classes prevented me from putting any meaningful amount of time into it. It was fun while I could play it though. One thing Nost had in spades was people. Annoying in starting zones, but great if you wanted to find groups to places and actually do stuff with others.
>>334349675
Too late now, mang
>>334351079
>poor thieves will never buy their games again
no kidding?
>>334351186
I refunded my legion pre order after nostalrius got shut down, not because of it but they might think it is cause of it
>>334351241
you're a dumbass lmao
>>334351293
Take your morals somewhere else this has been handeled many times already
What viedo game is a good one?
>>334351310
Provide sources for your numbers then idiot burden of proof is on you :^} what's that you cant? Go figure.
>>334346927
(You)
>>334351356
this was meant for:
>>334351280
>>334351371
what claims, you're the one who claimed they only had 20k active what a fucking retard lel
no sources? what a shame ;^)
>>334347350
>>334348450
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3_2tblVHjc
>>334348719
>Source: My Ass
Guesstimation
>>334351492
Were done here come back with real numbers or don't bother.mine was an estimate dumbass learn the difference before you act like a retard.
>>334350775
Ever notice how the story of Blizzard closely matches the story from Diablo 2?
Wanderer = old Blizzard
Diablo = new Blizzard
Marius = consumers
Baal = Kotick
>>334351613
an estimate you pulled straight from your ass? I know that already rofl
still no source huh, what a shame ;^)
>>334349675
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzT8UzO1zGQ
>>334351748
Why should I care about what a Bernie Sanders supporter thinks?
guys guys why are all of you fighting? Clearly Nostalrius was a big company with their very unique game why did blizz have to shut down their server?
>>334350364
>too stupid to play
I play Eve Online because it has a built in idiot filter. Keeps rubbish like you out of null.
Blizzard: I saw your subscription numbers. What are you doing out here?
Wow: I was so worried about you. Nostalrius told me terrible things.
Blizzard: What things?
Wow: He said...that you turned to the Dark Side...that you...killed private servers...
Blizzard: Nostalrius is trying to turn you against me.
Wow: He cares about us.
Blizzard: Us?
Wow: He knows. He wants to help you. Blizzard, all I want is your love.
Blizzard: Love won't save you, Wow. Only my new expansion can do that.
Wow: But at what cost? You're a good company! Don't do this!
Blizzard: I won't lose you the way I lost DoTA. I am becoming more powerful than any fan has ever dreamed of, and I'm doing it for you. To protect you.
Wow: Come away with me. Help me raise our playerbase. Leave everything else behind while we still can!
Blizzard: Don't you see? We don't have to run away anymore! I have brought peace to the MMORPG genre. I am more powerful than the MOBA; I... I can overthrow him! And together, you and I can rule gaming; make things the way we want them to be!
Wow: [slowly backs away from Blizzard, shocked] I don't believe what I'm hearing! Nostalrius was right... you've changed!
Blizzard: [angry] I don't want to hear any more about Nostalrius . The fans turned against me. Don't you turn against me!
Wow: [crying] I don't know you anymore! Blizzard...you're breaking my heart! You're going down a path I cannot follow!
Blizzard: [confused] Because of Nostalrius ?
>>334351679
They might have based it off of it.
They are a company and they have calculated everything till the ends of time, why not have a little fun in the process?
>>334351778
#feelthebern
>>334351849
Wow: Because of what you've done! What you plan to do! [pleading desperately] Stop! Stop now... come back! I love you!
Blizzard: [Enraged and paranoid at seeing Nostalrius in the main hatchway of her client] LIAR!
Wow: [looks back and sees Nostalrius , then turns back to Blizzard; horrified] NO!
Blizzard: You're with him! You brought him here to kill me!! [begins to Force-choke Wow]
Nostalrius: Let her go, Blizzard!
Wow: [struggling to breathe] Blizzard...
Nostalrius : Let... her... go. [Blizzard releases Wow; she collapses into unconsciousness]
Blizzard: You turned her against me!
Nostalrius: You have done that yourself!
Blizzard: YOU WILL NOT TAKE HER FROM ME!!
Nostalrius: Your anger and your lust for power have already done that. You have allowed this greed to twist your mind, until now...until now, you have become the very thing you swore to destroy.
Blizzard: Don't lecture me, Nostalrius! I see through the lies of Vanilla Wow! I do not fear the casuals as you do! I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new World of Warcraft!
Nostalrius: [incredulously] Your new World of Warcraft?
Blizzard: Don't make me kill you.
Nostalrius: Blizzard, my allegiance is to the fanbase! To the players!!
Blizzard: If you're not with me, then you're my enemy!
Nostalrius: Only Activision deals in absolutes. I will do what I must.
Blizzard: You will try. [cease and desists Nostalrius]
>its been 10 years
>people still dont understand piracy is not theft
>>334351879
ecks dee
>>334340246
>ignored by the owner
:^)
>>334337420
You sure 150k are even bother going to Blizzcon you cuck?
Nostalrius fags should just kil them selves thinking a privite server will last forever
>>334337227
Well since the law of blizzard is absolutely fucked they could change a few things in nostalrius and call it a new game, worked for fucking mobile games don't see why it shouldn't here.
>>334352047
No, all evidence of the old game existing must be destroyed.
>sub numbers decline
>>334351941
This
.t Blizzard employee
This is the reason it went down you fucks get over it
http://nostalrius.net/
>>334352309
>- The Nostalrius game masters don't like gold sellers and buyers. But, we have developed very strict and secure ways for transfers, so you can freely feel safe with us.
Ok?
>>334352409
So if some ones making money off of their crap wouldnt you want to shut that shit down ?
>>334337445
I agree.
People really think they want to go back to vanilla WoW. I was there from the patch that introduced the PvP system all the way until now. Sure, the community was small, and arguably, better. But do these people remember everything else about vanilla? 90% of the game's population was poor, and EVERY piece of training you did in that game cost money. Want new abilities on level up, make sure you have 3-7 gold lying around to grab everything you can! Want your basic mount? Training is 50 gold plus 5 gold for a mount ( Pally and Lock mount excluded). Epic mount? If you aren't raiding or running your sercer's Auction House keep dreaming. Professions of all sorts gave absolutely useless gear until ~skill level 250. Got a new weapon? Make sure you kept up your weapons skills from level 1 until now or you're going to be killing duskbats and wolves for an hour to get it back up. Entire classes and specs being useless for fights because of stat requirements (Resto Druid, Holy Pally, DPS warrior outside of PvP). I think you can see where I'm going with this.
I loved vanilla for what it was when it came out and can appreciate all the things it got right that were lost as the game got older and bigger. And I think all the people that played Nostalrus (sp?) will agree that they all went back to try and recapture that. But the numbers don't lie; 800,000 people registered with only 150,000 actively playing. People got back in the game, played for a while and relived some of their younger years. When the nostalgia wore off, they stopped playing.
But if I remember correctly, Blizzard either lost or just doesn't have the data of vanilla WoW anymore, so legacy servers are impossible for them to do unless they do the same thing private servers have been doing.
>>334352546
Aren't people making money off of their crap in the main game too?
If Blizzard did provide vanilla servers, what would you do when you reach end content? Would you sit around with nothing to do? Would you want them to upgrade to BC eventually? What can they do? Think about it. Once most players reach end game, they'll complain about having nothing to do and will stop playing the game.
>>334352665
Raids, pvp and ganking lowbies?
>>334352575
>But the numbers don't lie; 800,000 people registered with only 150,000 actively playing.
You realize that a similar trend exists for current wow and every fucking online game ever?
The rest of your post is generic yawnworthy trash.
>>334352665
PvP mostly
Which I cant do in retail because every class is simplified, unbalanced and made basically the same shit
>>334352665
How many hours of gameplay do you think going 1-60, then preraid, then going MC to Naxx is? It's a lot, a lot more than most $60 games coming out now.
Ideally there would be a server for every expansion so people could play what they want, so you could just transfer up.
That's not even getting into pvp, tons of people play on the AT private server for BC and wrath to this day because they liked the pvp of the time the best.
>>334353059
It's yawn worthy trash because I'm pointing out one of the few glaring problems were with vanilla WoW? The horrible imbalances between classes, only 10% of the player base seeing all of the content they worked on, pacing being terrible for some classes, or the grinding just for the sack of grinding something out and use that as filler for lack of content?
If you don't like retail, you're totally entitled to feel that way about it. But don't try to deny that they game became significantly better in TBC and WotLK because they got rid of a lot of vnilla's problems.
