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It's looking to be absolutely amazing.
Fact #1:
The new Game Director being groomed is a 13/13 Mythic raider, Scarab Lord, and guild leader of famous guild Elitist Jerks.
Previously, he was responsible for the great raids in MoP and WoD.
fuck blizzard
>>334325437
>>334325510
Keep it up. /v/ seems to be buying it
Hi Blizzard.Give us vanilla realms and I'll subscribe
>>334325564
>>334325620
What's your favorite feature of #Legion?
Tell us right here!
>>334325510
So he'll focus on content less than 10% of the fanbase will care about, while neglecting everything else. How is that any different?
>>334325813
Cause they often focus on shitty content that they think casuals will enjoy that ends up making the game boring.
See: garrisons, pokemon, daily quests, lfr, etc
>>334325620
im downloading it
they won
>>334325437
You think it is, but it's not.
Garrison bullshit can suck a dick.
I'm excited for class halls, especially now that their confirmed not to be garrison 2.0
>>334326003
They said garrisons are only going to be about 3% of content, and just because they did garrisons horribly once doesn't mean they couldn't improve them.
IE: Guild garrisons could be cool if your guild mates all congregated in one place.
>Legendaries everywhere
>Garrison 2.0
>Demon expansion when the game has been on a demon patch for fucking ever
The only thing I'm sold on right now is Genn Greymane promising to build a wall and make Azeroth great again
>It's looking to be absolutely amazing
Can't wait to run this over and over in the DF
>Oh Boy.gif
>>334325437
.20 Dollars has been deposited into your account.
>>334325510
>Previously, he was responsible for the great raids in MoP and WoD.
>and WoD
What great raids?
>>334326151
>upgradeable legendaries aren't neato
>potentially better, improved garrisons
>complaining about demons in warcraft, series known for demons and demon corruption
???
>>334326252
ToT, SoO were great in MoP but biggest problem is content drought.
>>334325510
>Great Raids
>MoP and WoD
>>334326278
>>complaining about demons in warcraft, series known for demons and demon corruption
I don't give a shit about demons and corruption. I want to kill humans and night elves.
>>334325437
which alliance hero is going to get the BGC next?
these threads are some ol' bullshit
>>334326213
They are rehashing Violet Hold? I actually liked that dungeon, for the most part. The wave protect shit was boring, but I liked how I didn't have to go to a summoning stone since everyone was already in Dal and the fact that you never knew what bosses you'd get until you got there.
>>334326375
So pvp then retard.
Haven't played WoW since WotLK, should I go into Legion? All this new flashy bullshit really triggers my penor
>>334326414
>I liked that dungeon
Nigger you are out of your mind
>>334326453
>playing mini-games
Next you'll suggest that I do that asinine pokemon battle system
Can i get paid to shill blizzard games too?
>>334326360
Throne of Thunder, Highmaul and HFC were great. HFC somewhat mitigated by the fact that it's overstayed its welcome by 7 months.
>>334326414
have you been away for a while? No dungeon requires the summoning stone now thanks to the cancer that is LFG
>>334326536
pokemon was good!
japan is going to hate you
Blizz shills pls go
>>334326536
>pvp
>mini-game
IT
FIXED
EVERYTHING
>We understand that many players are unhappy with garrisons, and in particular with the prominence of follower missions in Warlords of Draenor. We're certainly not sitting around, saying to ourselves, "Wow, everyone loves managing followers and doing missions; let's just copy/paste this feature into our next expansion for an easy win!"
>We agree that, especially in the long run, the balance of content and rewards between garrison missions and core world content was a big problem in Draenor. Players too often found themselves without much reason to bother with dungeons or outdoor content, possibly logging on to raid or PvP, and otherwise just checking in to collect mission rewards and send followers out on new ones. And after a little while of that, it's awfully easy for it to stop feeling like a proper MMO experience.
>We've tried to tackle this problem throughout our design of Legion. We've focused on replayable and varied outdoor world content and dungeon content as the heart and soul of the Legion endgame, and on reward systems that will support the continued relevance of those systems.
>But at the same time, there are people who do enjoy the mission minigame, and there are some positive elements, such as a bit of offline progression, and the fun of looking forward to a reward waiting for you when you get home and log in. Not all aspects of the game are intended to appeal to all players - that's part of the challenge of creating a single game that is played by such a diverse audience with different preferences and playstyles. But while garrison followers and missions were a substantial portion of the content in Warlords, Order Hall missions are probably more like 3% of Legion.
IT
FIXED
NOTHING
>>334326360
>it's a nostalgiafag thinks old raids aren't completely inferior to new ones episode
>>334326536
>pvp is a minigame
it's so easy to spot the bitter challengers
>>334326658
I know that's how it is now, I was just talking about when VH was relevant in Wrath.
>>334326062
The garrison interface doesn't need to be in at all. Its a terrible mechanic for delivering quests to the player.
>>334326252
I didn't like the environment of WOD raids, but you gotta admit, that the mechanics were great.
>>334325510
Fact 2: he also believes that the key to a good wow, is to get rid of useless spells and abilities that just overcomplicate things. Take for example fireball and frostbolt for mages. Having the choice for either of these abilities is just overcomplicated since we already have frostfirebolt. take for example the vanish ability for rogues, most players don't use vanish and find it very confusing. so in order to keep things fun, we have removed it all together. Demonology locks are about demons, so in order to get rid of overcomplicating and class homogenization, we have removed all spells for demonology that doesn't involve summoning a demon.
>>334325437
>>334325510
Fact #2:
World Quests are a new system of content that just debuted. Instead of the bullshit we got in WoD, world quests span the ENTIRE continent and have many that encourage grouping up. There are PvE and PvP world quests. World quests will last anywhere from a few hours (PvP towers a la Terokkar Forest) to a few days, even a week.
Fact #3:
There are NINE world bosses currently in Legion, from 3 in WoD.
>>334327207
It feels like my followers are having more fun than I am
>>334326756
>Who can cast their CC off the fastest so their dots can kill you
>Not a mini-game
>he isn't paying a based Demon Hunter
>>334327323
>revealing to everyone itt that you haven't the slightest idea of what you're talking about
1800 shitter confirmed
>>334327262
world bosses are fun ill give them that
need better ways to exploit them to drag them into cities and stuff though
>>334327410
>wanting to play edgy elf hunter
Kekimus maximus.
What melee dps gangster should I play in legion?
Rogues and DH need not apply.
>>334327410
>male nelf
literally the absolute worst choice. kill yourself my man
>>334327410
They keep nerfing Vengeance self healing and Meta upkeep so im not feeling it as much. I'd prefer they made a build based on 100% upkeep with limited leech.
>>334327416
>>334327323
>>334326756
>>334327109
BGs and arena killed pvp. Dumb ass kids that joined in TBC.
>he isn't playing a BASED Demon Hunter
>>334327487
Survival hunter.
>>334327487
Unholy DK. You get to summon abominations, infect enemies with AIDS, and cuck Paladins by stealing Tirion's body.
>>334327487
>Not being an arms warrior
It's like you don't bath in blood m8 unholy dk is also acceptable
>>334327207
Theres no more focus on garrisons, see
>>334326876
>>334326151
Greymane dies.
>>334327592
>he isnt playing one of the most boring classes theyve ever created with such great abilities as renamed sinister strike, renamed charge, and renamed disengage
>>334327521
Male Nelves are sex on legs.
>>334327645
Like I'm going to believe Blizz when they've been memeing me for years
>>334327716
Has he ever heard of leg day?
>>334327716
this 100%
that guy has extreme shit taste
>>334327645
After merely seeing it there I'm inclined to not believe them at all. Im not saying its the end of the world, but I honestly think they're lying for damage control.
>>334327590
World PvP was alive and well with instanced PvP in the game. To a lot of people arenas ARE PvP, which is understandable. Flying killed WPvP.
>Dumb ass kids that joined in TBC
You seem bitter about not making the cut in arenas friendo
>>334327262
going to need a source on that
>>334327806
>thick thighs and beefy calves
Skipping leg day means his legs would be think and scrawny. His legs are the opposite.
>>334327590
>Hating arenas
Arenas were fucking GOAT when they were gold based son.
>>334326521
Haven't played since WotLK either.
Just purchased a month to get back into it.
HOLY SHIT ANON.
STAY AWAY.
This is NOT the WoW you remember. It's fucking awful. I feel like crying when I play it now. Nothing is good anymore.
Unless they promise to rehaul the spell system (eg. rate of acquisition) AND bring back the old talent system at LEAST, then just stay away.
For the love of god anon, stay away. Remember the WoW you loved. Don't ruin that.
>>334327820
>>334327716
the are the alliance version of cuck fantasy niggers
they also all look like technicolor abe lincoln
if you play male nelf there is a 100% chance you dream of sucking nigger dick
>>334326521
As someone who loves BC, Wrath, Vanilla, and loathed Cata, MoP, and WoD.
I can tell you with 70% certainty that Legion will be a good expansion. The devs seem like they legitimately care this time.
>>334327927
>Being this much of an over reacting faggot
I'm not even trying to defend current wow it's shit but come the fuck on now.
>>334327852
I tried arena off an on until I finally quit WoW in Warlords. It's just a pillar hug simulator. Roll the flavor of the month or lose.
I was one of the first people to hit High Warlord in RGBs though. That was a bit of fun until Blizz fucked that up too with the same faction fighting shit.
>>334325437
You think it will, but it won't.
On the surface it all looks good, but as I've learned before with Cataclysm LOOKS aren't the same as it actually existing.
Will the PVP be good with the new system? Will the content hold up better than WoD? Will we actually get decent content patches? Probably won't know until it's too late.
I like the world quests system though, if it gives me a reason to return to old zones I'll definitely put the expansion on a mantle for that.
>>334327927
I played since vanilla and I think it has gotten better. Although I disapprove of the LFG/LFR systems because of how they affect server communities.
>>334327927
>no wow expa will be good again
feels bad
>>334328074
>It's just a pillar hug simulator.
Utilizing LoS is what gives arenas a lot of their depth, and if it weren't for pillars classes that spam CC and ranged classes would absolutely dominate everyone. You're just admitting to how ignorant you are about arenas.
>Roll the flavor of the month or lose.
You can get Gladiator+ with literally any class/spec in any season, you just need to not suck dick and find decent partners.
>I was one of the first people to hit High Warlord in RGBs though.
Not only is it RBGs (an enormous joke amongst the PvP community), but it's early RBGs before any sort of meta developed and people just fucked around.
It's ok if you never made it past 2k anon, but don't hate the game for it.
>>334327927
To be fair, there are a bunch of talent trees in Legion.
Talent Tree+Artifact Tree+PvP Talents+Order Hall Talents
>>334327986
Why are so many /v/irgins so obsessed with imagining being cucked by black people that they project this fantasy into every video game they see?
>>334328513
Legion will be WoD with Illidan horns/wings and the Ashbringer slapped on.
I just preordered.. woow..
>>334328513
the logo should have been blue
they fucked up
>>334328667
This marketing shit happens with every new launch.
>>334328513
>people basically admits Legion will be better than WoD
>>334325437
It's looking to be absolutely amazing.
>2016
>Hyped for WoW
>>334328667
DELETE THIS
>>334328667
>>334328809
This. I remember the exact same thing happened with MoP and WoD. It also happens with Hearthstone, Diablo 3, HotS, and Overwatch. I don't think most companies bother marketing on this shithole, but Blizzard most definitely does. They do not even attempt to hide their blatant shilling.
>>334328667
It's like MGSV all over again. Or any new game really.
>>334328876
Never fucking Blizzard product ever again. Nost was the last straw.
Let them have Nost back, let them have your blessing and then wel'l talk.
Until then, you can fucking starve and ATVI on the NASDAQ can crash.
>>334327927
>I can't adapt
>whine whine
>cry cry
The game can't stay the same for over a decade bub.
>>334328513
>wotlk is all scratched up and fucked
fucking trigged
>>334328818
If you hit rock bottom the only way to go is up.
>>334329236
Or you fall through the earth.
>>334329236
Unless you have a drill...
>>334329137
It can and has, and they fucking shut it down becasue they couldn't handle the truth. That they've paid developers fucktons of money to shit up a game over the last 5 years.
Fuck it, Crash ATVI. That's the only way to hurt them. Kottick owns some 18% of this comapny.
If we can drop the share price by even $5-10 from $35. He PERSONALLY loses millions of net value.
He will then hopefully FIRE the man who cost him that much money for taking down Nost. Or if it was him, he will sell his shares, cut his loses and step down as the CEO to find some new company to jew.
This is far more effective than signing a petition and trying to play 'ball' with them.
>>334325437
deja vu
>>334328213
>On the surface it all looks good, but as I've learned before with Cataclysm LOOKS aren't the same as it actually existing.
Cata was fine in the first month of it before they decided "yeah nah, let's roll back all the changes people liked and make it even easier than Wrath was".
Wrath was easy, but it had enough difficulty that running dungeons didn't feel tedious. Nothing in Cata was hard after that first patch.
>>334328918
This is me except now im tired of XIV's shit after 2 years and back to Legion to see how it pans out.
>legion invading Azeroth
>All hell breaking loose
>Everyone either dead or missing.
>THE END TIMES ARE UPON US
>Old gods getting up to shit too.
>Demon hunters walking around.
>Vol'jin no longer warchief
Going to be a good time to be a roleplayer I tell ya whut bobby
>>334329113
>Let them have Nost back, let them have your blessing and then wel'l talk.
This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for Blizz now. If they let Nost come back, even if it's under their control as THEIR private server, it's saying that they as a company cave to public pressure, which unless that public is specifically your stockholders, you as a corporation are not to do.
If they don't do it, they come across as assholes. Granted this could have been Activision's decision and not Blizzard's, but still.
>>334329881
Class halls especially are going to be either really awesome or really cringey
>>334328918
>XIV
>relevant
The amount of Blizzard shill threads are honestly starting to become a bit unsettling. They are extremely obvious advertisement with samefagging and all. Yet WoW, Overwatch, and Heroes of the Storm threads always seem to reach the bump limit.
I tend to browse /v/ all day long due to the nature of my job and their are hourly repeat WoW threads.
Meanwhile, I tell a nintendrone to fuck off and get a 3 day ban.
I think its time to find a new board.
>>334329964
>Every class gets a sweet hideout
>Except DKs
>DKs get the same empty Necropolis they've had for ten years
Makes me fucking sick
>>334327262
won't people just pile into the group finder with xrealm people you'll never see again
>>334327852
faction balance is so bad there's really no way to bring back wpvp
>>334329707
cata dungeons would've been fine without LFD
>>334330145
>cata dungeons would've been fine without LFD
LFD had NOTHING to do with it. They got easier because the people on the official forums bitched, and they're the players that Blizz listens to.
>>334330130
>Shitty bar in the Underbelly, a literal sewer
>Sweet
>>334330092
>Yet WoW, Overwatch, and Heroes of the Storm threads always seem to reach the bump limit.
What about Hearthstone?
>>334330130
>Everyone else gets one off throw away lairs that will be scrapped in the next title
>We DKs get a lair that has some history and will continue to be the main base for the Ebon Knights going into future games.
I'm cool with it.
>>334330145
>faction balance is so bad there's really no way to bring back wpvp
bring players back to the game by making WoW good
>>334327881
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20743204177?page=1#1
>>334330218
>and they're the players that Blizz listens to.
Only if they feel like it, because quite frankly they complain more about the state of the game than /v/ does. Just not in the "this game sucks" sense, more of the "why isn't MY class currently the strongest?" sense
>>334330379
>What about Hearthstone?
Literally no one plays hearthstone
>>334329707
LOL They made the changes because there was a massive communtiy backlash and everyone was acting like the dungeons were too hard. You'd know that if you actually played in Cata, which you probably didn't. :)
>>334330218
LFD had everything to do with it, cata dungeons had hard cc and interrupt requirements, but the dungeon finder would throw you into groups with 4 druids and then people wondered why it was so hard
also cata/mop spell effects were hard to see sometimes, made shit like ozruk harder than it should've been
You know what? I'm going to play Devil's Advocate for a minute with that "you think you want it, but you do" cunt. I think he's utterly wrong, but I'm going to look at it from his pov.
This guy did not seem like he had the mindset of a player. He's a programmer and that's it, everything to him is based on the programming point of view. Of COURSE he doesn't see why people would want Vanilla, because the things that appealed to those players had nothing to do with the mechanics or gameplay. Those things were garbage in Vanilla, all he sees is a barely-functioning, clunky game. But to the players it was an experience, it really did feel like being among all the others.
>>334330649
I never stopped playing. Ever.
I'm well aware of the exact point when it changed.
>Boring introductory quest where Varian dies
>Retconning and terrible fanfiction writing eveywhere
>Shitty Diablo 3 difficulty system for dungeons
>New animations looks worse
>Order hall follower system is the same as garrisons except you absolutely have to do it if you want to upgrade your artifact
>No new battlegrounds
>Ridiculous PvP talent and prestige system
>Dungeons and raids are still about navigating shit being placed all over the floor
>Everyone has the same weapon
>Stats are getting out of control again
>Awful class changes across the board
>Essentially just a giant grind for artifact power which probably has a weekly cap imposed on it
Watching paint dry would probably be more exciting
>horde retreat when shit goes bad, leaving the alliance open
I know Sylvanas is in charge and she's the cunning wait for the opportune moment one but this just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. After shitting on the horde for 4-5 years I'd hoped for some heroics even if ultimately useless
I mean both factions are suppose to be crushed anyway, the only thing the retreat does is paint them as cowards
>>334331038
>No new battlegrounds
>when the only thing anyone ever wants is old AV, not anything new
>>334327262
This sounds great, but I need to see it to believe it. Nine world bosses is a good thing to hear though.
>>334331056
Putress literally did nothing wrong
>>334331038
How is the new dungeon system terrible? It's an infinite scaling system so that you can always try harder and harder difficulties + it rewards you with raid quality gear, meaning it is an alternative to raiding.
You just sound like someone who has to hate everything that isn't Vanilla because you have literal mental issues.
>>334331285
>9 kazzak / ordos zergfests
wow!
>tanan jungle style progress bars / bonus events literally fucking everywhere
wow!
>>334331661
It's lazy. Instead of making new dungeons that are new and more difficult they just scale the current one to rehash it. It's going to get boring insanely fast. But, blizzard just wants to sell boxes at 50 a pop so they don't give a shit.
>>334331774
but zerging a world boss with random chumps is fun and actually feels like an adventure instead of a part time job
>>334332070
>>334331774
its also one of the best opportunities of world pvp if youre into that sort of thing
>>334332158
are flying mounts in legion?
I just want it to get here so I can play dress up already.
>>334332385
as a sand nigger?
>>334332470
Or a I'm-So-Righteous-I-Shit-The-Light paladin.
>>334332385
>so I can play dress up already.
one of the best parts of Legion is the Wardrobe function. Hopefully the rewards in this expansion have some good looking gear work for instead of just farming for old outdated content.
>>334326252
The raids were really good, the issue was the fact we got so few of them.
>>334331661
>hey let's just make it so the numbers go up what a great difficulty system
Kill yourself immediately
>>334331953
Not him but how is that different from running everything in normal than running it again in Heroic? It's what they've done since TBC
>>334332070
>Instantly join group of 40 random people
>Phase to leaders server
>slap your dick around, afk, whatever for 1 minute and boss is dead
>adventure
What? MMORPG doesn't sound like the genre for you. Play an ARPG if you want to wade through monsters.
Classes are so brain dead and water downed now idk if im going to play
>>334329201
You have to face the facts, anon. Wotlk was not a bad expansion, but it certainly was the period the game began to deteriorate, which is why that image has always had Wotlk as the scratched up original painting.
I've found that a lot of the complaints against WoW, not just currently but going all the way back to even Burning Crusade, is that they don't want the game to be an MMO like...well like WoW. They want it to be like Everquest but new, but not Everquest 2 because it's not the same.
Which makes me wonder why a person would even play a game if they want it to be fundamentally different from what it is.
>>334329881
It's just going to be the same rehashed garbage.
Accept it. Blizzard dont' know how to make any game anymore.
>>334333306
Some classes have less keybinds than vanilla classes. Pretty hilarious.
>>334332385
i am ready my dude
>>334333475
>ut it certainly was the period the game began to deteriorate
I don't remember people bitching in Wrath until TotC came out. Before that the only bitching was from the fact that you HAD to run Naxx to even do Ulduar.
>>334333546
yep but I'll take Legion Enhance Shaman over Vanilla WF lolcrit Shaman any day. If only we had a 2her glyph it'll be complete.
>>334333514
Not him but none of that matters to an RPer.
>>334333475
I dont care what anyone says, Northrend is fucking beautiful. WotLK had amazing atmosphere
>>334331038
>New animations look worse
stopped reading there, this is objectively wrong.
abilities actually look and sound like they're doing something in legion.
>>334325437
30% OF QUESTS ARE GARRISON BASED
>GARRISONS ARE BACK
30% OF QUESTS ARE GARRISON BASED
>GARRISONS ARE BACK
30% OF QUESTS ARE GARRISON BASED
>GARRISONS ARE BACK
30% OF QUESTS ARE GARRISON BASED
>GARRISONS ARE BACK
30% OF QUESTS ARE GARRISON BASED
>GARRISONS ARE BACK
30% OF QUESTS ARE GARRISON BASED
>GARRISONS ARE BACK
30% OF QUESTS ARE GARRISON BASED
>GARRISONS ARE BACK
30% OF QUESTS ARE GARRISON BASED
>GARRISONS ARE BACK
30% OF QUESTS ARE GARRISON BASED
>GARRISONS ARE BACK
30% OF QUESTS ARE GARRISON BASED
>GARRISONS ARE BACK
30% OF QUESTS ARE GARRISON BASED
>GARRISONS ARE BACK
30% OF QUESTS ARE GARRISON BASED
>GARRISONS ARE BACK
30% OF QUESTS ARE GARRISON BASED
>GARRISONS ARE BACK
30% OF QUESTS ARE GARRISON BASED
>GARRISONS ARE BACK
>>334333868
didnt they say 3 not 30? not that i actually believe the 3% figure but still
>>334333868
I see literally nothing about them being back on EJ.
>>334333832
They're not what we've had for ten years, therefore they are the most awful shit Blizzard has ever done to flip off the customers. Same thing with the updated models, they gutted everything that made them unique and filled with soul and energy and shit all over our memories of them with Dreamworks abominations that look nothing like the Warcraft style.
>>334326337
>MoP was good meme
Boy I sure do love this april fools race and a literally chinesed theme'd Xpack filled with a pointless fucking story arc and "UR FEELINGS WILL FUCK OUR LAND UP"
>>334332894
If you think that's a bad system, you should kill yourself asap. Systems like that work in a huge amount of games, including one of their very own.
>>334331953
Who said they weren't going to make more dungeons? LOL the game is still in alpha and yet you're acting like you know what's going to come out in every patch. Stop being so negative all the time jesus christ.
I'm just gonna assume you were one of the losers that played on Nostralius. That'd probably explain why you're such a faggot
>>334333496
This isn't true.
I don't think you understand what an MMO RPG actually is:
MMO - Massively multipalyer with player interaction. That means communicating, planning strategy, executing together. Share victory share defeat.
At the moment literally 95% of the content doesn't require planning, or acting 'together' in any way. Most of it is just everyone do their own thing.
If blizzard released LFG 'bots' that would basically be a bot that tanks/heals/DPS for you, and never actually told people about releasing it... Most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
RPG - Role playing game. Leveling. Progression. Getting new spells. Developing your character. They gutted this whole process. The 1-max level which should be the 'bulk' of the RPG experience is rushed through as an afterthought. They removed any sense of value that visual gear sets had.
And therefore severely damaged character development.
WoW is no longer an MMO or an RPG. It's some form of dull arcade game. Like say a much shittier version of dota.
In dota you wait in the lobby hit 'search for match' go to the game. Atleast in dota it fosters team communicaiton and strategy.. In WoW just roll your face on the keyboard for 20 mins.
The whole 'world' of warcraft. That massive uninstanced seamless zone transitioning world has been reduced to a lobby waiting screen for spamming face roll dungeons.
This is why WoW is dying and wont' ever be good again. It's no longer an MMO RPG. It;'s a shitty arcade game.
>>334333496
WoW losing subs is plenty of reason for it to be a fresh game. There's no suggestion that "5M" is even near accurate, because of Chinese cafe "subs".
Here's what Chinese funds become.
>>334332251
Not until maybe the first patch. They're definitely not going to be in the game on launch.
>>334333661
People were bitching about Wrath nonstop until Ulduar
Even my shithead guild had Naxx 25 on farm the first week, and we were the guild with 55 year old wives and retarded old people in it
>>334333954
>send follower, er champion, on mission
>8 hours later
>Hey I can do a quest now that my NPC is done scouting!
Just a poorly veiled system blizzard has concocted to get people to log in the next day. Instead of just, ya know, making the game actually fun.
>>334334057
Honestly the fresh continent of Pandaria was a nice change from Cataclysm. You're probably a Wrathbabby that wants to be in Northrend or something.
>>334334079
You are easily the biggest fucking idiot on this board in a long time.
>>334334136
>WoW losing subs is plenty of reason for it to be a fresh game.
Not really, considering they made what, 50 billion at Draenor's launch from box sales alone? And the upkeep cost of WoW daily is only $136,986, or was back in 2011 apparently.
Sad to say but making that much money all at once means they literally don't have to care what we think, WoW can sustain itself for another 10 years purely on saved funds.
>>334326564
>HIGHMAUL WAS GOOD
This is how far the wow fanbase has fallen. They will eat LITERAL shit and try to smile while they do it.
>>334334136
>Maplestory so low
I'm still fucking pissed how a hulking giant fell from grace.
It may have been pretentious grinding shit BUT IT WAS MY PRETENTIOUS GRINDING SHIT
>>334334379
The only post in this thread you need to read. If you wonder why WoW is this way it is, just read this post until you get it.
>>334334398
but literally the only good content in wod is the raids
what're you on about
>>334334057
Call pandas bad again
I dare you
>>334334098
Then why aren't you just playing Pillars of Eternity?
No, I'm serious, I'm not just being a dick here, why AREN'T you just playing that instead, it's everything about oldschool D&D people love.
>>334333832
>New gun noises
Check and mate
>>334333661
>introduced piss easy heroic dungeons
>introduced LFG (which granted is not a horrible system, but it helped ruin server community)
>introduced deathknights which were beyond broken on release and have continued to be one of if not the strongest class consistently ever since
>introduced blizzard's first idea of "world pvp" which is forced and awful, wintergrasp
>introduced a fantastic new system of 'hard mode' fights in raids, but immediately ruined it by switching to 'heroic' raids
>ICC was the first time blizzard made us farm an end game raid for over a year and a half, vastly overstaying its welcome
Wotlk had some great stuff in it, but it also brought a lot of bad shit which has now become the norm.
Why do some "people" expect Legion to be different from WoD?
It's literally made by the very same guys who obviously don't know how to make a good expansion. Why the fuck do "people" still have hope for this trainwrek?
>>334334079
Nope, but you sure are salty and projecting. If you honestly expect Blizzard to do any more work than the bare minimum I don't know what to tell you except to swallow and fondle the balls.
>>334325437
>tfw you can no longer tell if these are just ironic bait threads or actually marketing
>>334334526
Pandas are fat, stupid, and ugly. The perfect race for a furry fucker like you.
>>334334372
Sure dude, keep on thinking that man :) Hope you enjoy living in your little bubble :)
>>334325510
>tfw raided with him all of vanilla and tbc
>he goes on to work on wow
feels amusing desu senpai
If they can pull a RoS again and make WoW at least tolerable I'll be happy.
>>334334580
>hating Wintergrasp
Man fuck you, that shit was my jam. And unlike Tol Barad, it wasn't a fucking flip of a coin as to who won.
>>334334692
some people are actually hoping legion is good because there's virtually no other mmo's to play if you don't like xiv, i guess.
>>334334751
that'd be nice
>try to do a raid
>group leader demands you have a higher ilevel than the loot that drops and have achievements for more difficult content than what you want to do
why is this a thing
>>334334709
>WoW had no playable furry races before Pandas
Ok
>>334334709
pandas ware the last good move by blizz
>>334325437
I want to try the new Demo. Seems like the closest Im going to get to a minion based spec in any modern MMO.
>>334334785
Wintergrasp was garbage, Tol Barad was garbage, and Ashran is garbage. Fuck all of this forced fake world pvp.
>>334334751
>Jay Wilson gets pulled from D3
>it becomes a somewhat mediocre gamehuge improvement over the piece of shit it was before
>gets to work on WoD
>it's shit
>gets to work on Legion
>???
Gee, I wonder how it's going to turn out :^)
>>334334379
>50 billion
How do I into math
Maybe in yen
>>334334829
It would be nice if they got their act together.
>>334334548
?
It's an action RPG,
Not an MMO-RPG.
Il'l tell you what though. Your response would've been better if it was:
"Why aren't you just playing Nostalrius?"
I was.
>>334334838
So they know you aren't a shitty player and can actually pull your weight.
Don't pretend we didn't act any different in the days of GearScore. Hell we were worse back then because that was OUR creation, not Blizz's.
>>334325437
Daily shill thread for blizzard
Marketeters please stop
>>334334898
Where is he on Legion? He isn't listed anywhere.
>>334334526
>we want the furry crowd
>>334334603
It is just shills, and shitposters.
>>334334603
They don't it's literally blizzard paid to come and shill.
Basically scam whoever is impressionable enough to buy the next expo. That's all they care about; day 1 sales.
It's turned into CoD. (Same creators aswell).
They don't make video games anymore. They just make hype. Market the shit out of the product, Hype it to hell. The consumer falls for the trap and buys on day 1. Abandon everything, put the interns on content production, move onto the next hype manufacture.
and repeat.
>>334334731
>Proving my point
Stop breathing
>>334334943
Because it's an ACTUAL rpg.
You know, one where you actually create a character's backstory and make decisions and create your own story. Not being railroaded in what you like to call an MMO "rpg"
>>334334984
>wod
XD
>>334334838
people want to be carried. 95% of the time they don't have that shit themselves.
>>334334379
"Saved funds" will never be used to sustain WoW. If it doesn't make profit then it gets dropped, if it doesn't make enough then it's a waste of resources. Not saying that it's anywhere near that point but this is big business.
>>334334961
Yeah but it's still retarded. I've seen people asking for an item level of 725 for mythic dungeons because they want to speed clear them. Nigga if i had an item level of 725 why the fuck would i be doing a mythic dungeon in the first place? Plus they're not even hard, you can speed clear them with a 690 item level if you wanted to.
>>334334961
yeah, but who the fuck tries to get into normal mode HFC while having AotC and the gear to get it? Seems pointless
>>334327410
Male night elves have the worst melee animations in the game.
>playing past WotLK
Can someone tell me what its like to be a literal cuckold for ActiBlizz?
>>334335018
he's not, its just a buttblasted blizzhate drone spreading lies without substance
>>334334379
>$140k to turn on some servers
Maybe paying the whole studio.
>>334335272
He was listed as the director at Blizzcon, but I wonder if that was a mistake because he isn't listed anywhere else.
WoW turned to SHIT after wotlk. I had been playing since 2005 and that expac really fucked it; casual this, casual that, get fucked if I want a shittycasual month waster I'll play GW2 or some other trash
>>334335261
>Playing past BC
You tell me
>>334335315
That's listed under upkeep costs. It includes the servers themselves, paying maintenance people, GMs, overhead, all that stuff.
>>334335261
life is boring
>>334325437
too bad it won't be out until November at the earliest
>>334334984
I'm going to play the fuck out of my ret paladin. I've been wanting to smite shit with Ashbringer for over 10 fucking years. Too bad its going to be demons and not undead fucking shits though.
>>334334098
>1-max level which should be the 'bulk' of the RPG experience
>leveling
>>334335086
I want to play an MMORPG. I want an MMO that features RPG elements.
WoW modern does none of that, Nostalrius did most of that.
This isn't hard man.
All you have to do is not play it and it won't affect you at all.
Before you say "here's your (you)", how am I wrong? If you don't like playing a game and you aren't being forced to play it, then don't play it.
>>334335563
I'm sorry, but to me you don't want a real rpg. You want fucking Second Life with levels in it.
People like you are the reason why tabletops aren't as popular anymore.
>>334335441
>Because it's an ACTUAL rpg.
lol. Just play WOD it's the same junk.
>>334335468
>being excited about everyone on the planet having an Ashbringer
>>334335793
Not really any different from every rogue and monk having the twin blades of azzinoth.
>>334335754
>WOD
>the same as "level 3 spell usable once per day, deals 2d6 damage"
>>334335706
: /
You trying hard man.
I just want an RPG with MMO elements. A seamless world filled with other active people that REQUIRE co-operation in order to proceed.
If table tops were like the modern WoW. You'd go sit in your basement alone, playing cards and talking to yourself.
>>334334984
>he fell for the "TBC was good" meme
Holy shit I'm pre-ordering right now thanks Blizzard you are my greatest ally and the best developer in the world
>>334335872
You had to work for those, these are just given to you. WELFARE LEGENDARIES FOR ALL THE SCRUBS AND KIDS!
>>334335602
But I liked Nost, and I played it, and they shut it down anyway.
Fucking hell Blizzard.
>>334335980
>You had to work for those
I did? Pretty sure the only one I had to put work in for was Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker, and that's purely because of drop rate.
>>334335872
>grinding a raid forever to get the weapons
Compared to
>YOU ARE LITERALLY FORCED TO PICK UP ASHBRINGER AND USE IT FOR THIS ENTIRE EXPANSION btw there are no other weapon drops sorry
Apex Kek
>>334335963
>you are my greatest ally
Clever.
>>334327521
How so, nigga? Illidan is a male nelf.
>>334335793
Im excited because I have ashbringer. I can't be fucked to care what other people are doing.
>>334335980
You don't have to work for them anymore.
so what was nost?
some private role playing server or something?
>>334336118
Maybe you should play a single player game then faggot
I can see how Blizzard lures in casual 14 year olds now
>>334336091
So it's just spending weeks getting something with raid lockouts overgeared in outdated dungeons vs getting something that contributes to playstyle and can be changed if you really want to be a special snowflake.
Just mog it if you want to be special again.
Honestly three expansion looks decent but I won't play because I sold my account for like $400 because I was getting addicted and needed to cut that shit out ASAP
>>334336117
he also doesnt use the normal male night elf model
>>334336118
YOU ARE WRONG THERE YOU STUPID CUNT
IT'S A MMO FOR A REASON!
GO PLAY AN OFFLINE GAME
>>334336292
How much does Blizzard pay?
>>334335923
What you want is no more an rpg than what a "jrpg" likes to call itself,
>>334336256
>>334336326
Nope sorry. I'm gonna be shoving my ashbringer up demon ass and nothing you can do to stop me.
>>334336357
About as much as the Nostalrious devs did.
>>334336357
>getting this assmad over a one-expansion gimmick
It's hilarious how people demand companies do different things and then throw shitfits over the new things they try not being what they personally want.
>>334336149
Private vanilla server that held an impressive number, but unfortunately got canned, probably due to getting too noticeable with advertising and streaming
>>334336357
I wish I knew because I've been unemployed for over a year. I'd shill as hard as humanly possible if they paid me.I'm serious
>>334336149
Completely blizzlike progression server. BWL had launched a few months ago, AQ was being beta tested and was going to launch this month, naxx was going to launch in a few months, BC servers were to be released within a year. It had 150k active players on it and was completely free. No cash-shop, no increased xp, absolutely nothing extra. Very few bugs/glitches. They even abstained from taking donations so that maybe Blizzard wouldn't shut them down for profiting.
It was perfect in nearly every way and then Blizzard came along and killed it.
>>334336357
Autism - the post
>that feel when you never got into WoW at any point in time and Blizzard's decline into mediocrity doesn't affect you at all
>>334336482
>one expansion gimmick
>the expansion needs a gimmick
Way to call it shit. I can't wait for the reason in the next expansion where you throw away your Ashbringer and instead you get Ashbringer fused with Frostmourne and the soul of Illidan cause that would be so fucking bad ass dude!
Also your mount will be a sentient pile of Ashbringers shaped like fucking Deathwing :DDD
>>334325437
>you are no longer an adventurer
>you are le high commander of teh faction
>>334336487
And you know, they legally couldn't have said server. It's not like private servers existing haven't been shut down before, this is just the biggest one and thus the most public. Most private servers were mainly just there for people who wanted to play for free.
>>334325437
It's going to be shit, but I'll play it anyways.
I wish there were other decent MMOs.
I played XIV for a while and like it a lot, but running the same 2 fucking slow ass dungeons over and over again isn't fun.
>>334336631
I feel sorry for you if you never experienced WoW up to WoTLK
>>334336516
Bout minimum wage, you do it among other things in the office.
>>334336695
Ignorance is bliss.
I don't have a full realization of how fall the game has fallen.
>>334336631
But then why are you here?
>>334336663
It's funny seeing how over the top the single player element is getting
I can't wait for the next expansion where you are literally the horde chief
I mean why not?
>>334336663
>what is character progression
If I saved the world 6 times over when playing D&D with my friends, and NPCs still treated us like grunts, we'd be tempted to just kill the shitheads off and take over the country.
>>334326151
>Not getting excited for Garrosh being resurrected and traveling back in time to Draenor just before the events of WoD and created the Super Iron Horde.
>>334326521
>>334328059
I'm a bit concerned about some of the half assed content (look at the tank DHs), but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't try it.
>>334326360
WoD was shit but the raids were pretty good. SoO was top notch too.
>>334327240
>take for example the vanish ability for rogues, most players don't use vanish and find it very confusing.
I know this is bait but come on.
>>334327643
>Arms Warrior
I like pressing more than one button an hour.
>>334334897
Tol'Barad was awesome when it was relevant content.
>>334335371
WotLK struck the best balance between accessibility and not being retard mode easy. Cataclysm had a good amount to do in the world but I was disappointed we never actually got to fight Deathwing.
>Running around on his back doesn't count
>>334335924
I liked TBC but fuck TBC attunement.
>>334336026
Lag was too bad for me to play it unfortunately.
>>334336530
Didn't they code most of the raid encounters themselves as well rather than using left over code and pre-existing emu stuff?
>>334336684
It's not going to be good until you abstain from it.
Hit their wallet a few tiems and theyl'l make good MMOs.
>>334336791
I think Nostalrius should have been hired by blizzard.
So I'm here for that issue. I think it's a key moment in consumer rights and making sure voices are heard.
>>334336797
Sounds great. You become the Warchief of a destroyed Orgrimmar and have to rebuild it while fending off NPC raiders.
>>334336826
There can't be 7 high commanders on the server. (Maybe 8 at peak times). (lmao population joke)
>>334336854
>Hit their wallet a few tiems and theyl'l make good MMOs
if that were true, they would have already made good MMOs already
>>334325437
No it's fucking not. The ability prune is going to kill WoW for good. Every spec now struggles to fill even one skillbar with shit, and every rotation is now 3 buttons or less.
Not to mention the fucking GARRISON coming back. Who the FUCK thought this was a good idea? I can't wait to log in and click my mission table and log out every day for the next two years!
RIP WoW 2004-2016
>>334336849
>Talking shit about arms warrior
>Thinking they only press 3 buttons
Look at this pleb
>>334336797
>the expansion after where you become the god of Azeroth
Damn Blizzard went deep with that one
>>334336909
Blizzard isn't Valve. Stop pretending they are. They don't even outsource any of the games they make to other developers, why would they hire somebody who made a private server?
>>334336967
>There can't be 7 high commanders on the server.
Only because they don't write the game in a way such that it works.
>>334336849
>Didn't they code most of the raid encounters themselves as well rather than using left over code and pre-existing emu stuff?
I believe they did. They had something like a 30-man team that they trained, all volunteers too.
>>334336658
Trying way too hard, dide. It's exactly like Mario Sunshine having FLUDD, Sonic Unleashed having the Werehog, StarFox Assault having on-foot missions, etc. It's a one-time experiment that fits the story that was made alongside it. And reactionary retards like you ALWAYS do this like clockwork, screaming nonsense like "Well why don't they just escalate it until it's everything because it pisses me off?!".
>>334337083
"Should have" does not mean "will do" or "is likely to do"
You're right. Blizzard is not Valve. And they'll suffer for it.
>All these kids pretending WOTLK was part of WoW's good years
>>334336797
omg they are doing it so they can release wc4!
>>334337040
You're so full of shit. The exaggeration you're spouting is through the roof. What else can I expect from /v/ though.
>>334337154
Yeah man, they're suffering. Suffering so hard their quarterly reports all say they are making more money.
>>334337213
He's pretty spot on
Ability pruning is fucking terrible
>>334337206
It's certainly the time I enjoyed myself the most, because I certainly didn't enjoy Vanilla, and while I liked BC I didn't play it nearly as much as Wrath
>>334337213
>$0.50 Blizzard bucks has been deposited into your account
>>334337234
Sorry Blizzard what are your subscriber numbers about now?
Oh you dont wanna even report them anymore?
Damn shame
>>334337047
Rend every 18 seconds
Mortal Strike every 6 seconds
Colossus Smash every 30 seconds
Dragon roar every 1 minute
Whirlwind and Execute (when actually available) for rage dumps
Might as well be 3 buttons because you press them to infrequently
>>334337234
>milking your cash cow dry
>bragging about it
>sub numbers getting so low they won't even let anyone know anymore
>>334337047
Have you played arms in WoD?
>put rend on the target
>colossus smash
>mortal strike
>now you're out of abilities
>just sit there and do nothing
>mortal strike
>start spamming whirlwind for minimal damage because you have more rage than you can actually use
>mortal strike
>colossus smash
>do nothing
>hey i can execute
>repeat
Arms has nothing to fucking do after you use colossus smash and mortal strike.
>>334337206
WOTLK was better in every way
i dont remember any memorable moment in BC
>>334327521
>original demon hunter
>not the GOAT choice
>>334336854
Because shits still buy every expo even though they know itl'l be shit.
You've got to realise they've adopted the CoD model of game design.
Step 1) Announce the expansion, invest over 50% of the resoruces into shilling it as hard as possible before release.
Step 2) Make sure day 1 sales are as large as possible. As many pre-orders as possible.
Step 3) Once release day is over, the customer has taken the bait. All extra money and development time in the product is lip service done by interns.
Step 4) Move onto next quarters product release. We need to get as many pre-orders as possible.
The only way to stop this is to show them that yearly releases for the sake of it has diminishing returns. If Legion sells far less copies than WoD, then hopefully wel'l see some changes.
Really it's all about money. Those ATVI shares. The guys making the decision hold large portions of their life savings in those shares. If the value drops of those shares, they personally lose millions and will do whatever you ask to make it stop.
>>334325925
Garrisons killed it for me. Same with linking flight to a fucking achievement that forces me to play boring ass content. I just like making gold and pvping. I don't give a shit about Dailies or exploration. Fucking blizzard.
>>334337438
I don't remember any dungeon finder in TBC
>>334337047
That 45 second cooldown on CS certainly looks fun in Legion... I used to mainly play Arms but hopped to Fury when they did the last major overhaul.
>>334337083
Because of this >>334337102 these guys were doing it for free just because they love the game. Blizzard has hired people in the past that broke various things during alpha and beta testing.
>>334337040
>GARRISON coming back
It's not Garrisons. It's Class Halls, with Class Hall Resources and Class Hall Missions done by your Class Hall followers. It's not Garrisons at all.
>>334337040
Ability pruning doesn't bother me when they trim out moves that legitimately didn't have much use, but some of the Legion pruning is really strange. Didn't Outlaw rogues not have Sap until a recent build?
>>334337437
Remember that brief time where it was a dps increase to run away and charge back in to get some rage.
>>334336665
Yea, I also understand that. It was pretty dumb to think that because the server was held in France that they were untouchable. Actually, it's pretty dumb to think any private server can't be taken down. Nost was one of the most mentioned, so it probably was alot of people's first experience with PServers too. I'm guessing they haven't exactly planned for it to go down that fast.The shitflinging needs to end, seriously.
>>334337234
Not on WoW. And they won't make all the money Valve makes on fucking player made hats when Overwatch comes out. And Heroes of the Storm is a disaster.
Simply making money in the short term is not all a healthy company must do. It must also make sure it has well maintained IPs, good relationships with consumers, and be able to see where the market is going.
Blizzard does none of those things. It is late on its team FPS. It was late, ironically, on its MOBA even when the genre started on a mod of its own game. WoW is dead and slowly decaying. And Starcraft is utterly stagnant and destroyed a great deal of goodwill.
You might as well say EA is doing fine because profits are up. Who cares about profits when the house is burning down?
>>334337437
>>334337396
With sudden death and enough crit for procs you will have a steady flow between cs excute between Thunder clap and whirlwind unless you have shit stats plus sweeping strikes effect
>>334337367
They make money from literally everything else, subs can only hurt so much. XIV doesn't report sub numbers either and nobody gives a shit.
>>334337431
Hearthstone is their new cash cow, WoW is also 11 years old and still the big MMO. That's fucking nuts.
>>334337516
You don't remember having to wait 2 hours to find a deadmines group during WoTLK either because players were that spread out
Dungeon finder became necessary for lower levels at the very least
>>334337654
Dungeon finder is cancer
No excuse
>>334337608
>Actually using thunder clap
>>334337627
>Hearthstone is their new cash cow
I don't think Hearthstone is bringing in nearly as much cash as millions of subscribers, though at the rate it's declining, I can definitely see the day coming that Hearthstone revenue passes up WoW's in the near future.
>>334337459
>I just like making gold and pvping
WELL MAYBE INSTEAD OF DOING RAIDS AND GARRISON PVE SHIT YOU SHOULD JUST FOCUS ON MAKING GOLD AND PVPING YOU DUMB FUCKING CUNT
WOW, SO FUCKING HARD DUDE.
>>334329881
>work on character and backstory for years
>simple sellsword hired to fight monsters and demons and whatever else needs killing
>NOPE FUCK THAT YOU'RE THE SAVIOR OF AZEROTH NOW
>NOT ONLY THAT BUT YOU ARE ODYN'S CHOSEN SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE
RPing in WoW is impossible unless you ignore the entire game's plot
>>334337565
>It's not Garrisons at all.
You are such a fucking shill. Look at this shit and tell me with a straight fucking face it's not a garrison.
No one wants this in legion. NO ONE
>>334337593
>It was pretty dumb to think that because the server was held in France that they were untouchable.
Hey, it's protected Roman Polansky from the fact that he fucked a 14 year old girl in the ass. Being in other countries can often do wonders.
>>334337598
>You might as well say EA is doing fine because profits are up. Who cares about profits when the house is burning down?
What the fuck are you talking about? EA won two golden turd awards and their still as big as ever. Are they a shitty dev? Yes, but good lord don't fucking delude yourself into thinking they are a sinking ship.
Good Christ you people so desperately want these developers to fail because you simply don't like them but it just isn't happening.
>>334337794
>You are such a fucking shill.
I was being sarcastic dude. Was my repetitive use of Class Hall in place of Garrison not obvious enough?
>>334337794
You think you don't
But you do
>>334325510
Fuck EJ. They alone did almost as much to ruin the MMO aspect of WoW as blizzard themselves
>>334337654
nah i gotta admit dungeon finder was bad
>>334337794
it's like a fraction of a garrison
my main issue with garrisons is that they have literally everything you could need in one instance, the way mission tables are in the alpha if they're just standalone don't sound anywhere near as awful
yes, it's similar - but if you think mission tables were the only thing wrong with garrisons you probably haven't even looked at wod
>>334337654
Depends on your class. Before dungeon finder, I would get probably 3 random dungeon invites an hour. People would just /who (level range) and invite healer classes, and presumably tanks too. Maybe you should've played a priest.
>>334337831
I didn't say Blizzard or EA would fail immediately. These things take time. Years.
Atari took a fucking decade to die.
>>334337598
>Who cares about profits when the house is burning down?
Dude, listen to me now and never go to a shareholder's meeting. It'll make you want to become a communist when you see how these people think.
>>334326062
>believe in Bliz lies
Might as well drop your pants and bending over.
>Cataclysm came out
>"guys it would be like vanilla, hard and engaging" It's still boring shit dungeon run
>MoP
>"g-guys, check out our new talents and class" The most retarded shit i have ever seen
>WoD
>"le time has le change" Even more boring and linear with content draught. Shortest expansion ever
WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE BUY THIS
>>334337901
Hard to tell sometimes, some blizzard shills unironically believe the shit you said. It's disgusting.
>>334337778
Sept no one in WoW RPs as the commander and most guild story lines are largely separate from current expansion events.
>>334337757
Hearthstone has twice the concurrent players as WoW's subs, and it makes fucking bank off people buying cards. What the fuck planet do you live on thinking it's "just doing okay?"
I get not liking the game, but that's major delusion.
>>334337941
EA and Blizzard are nowhere near dying, I'm sorry to disappoint you.
>>334337794
Did not even touch wod but is this literally waiting hours for the game to roll some invisible dice deciding if you get that 10g?
People liked this?
>>334326337
MoP's content drought was not even remotely close to WoD's. MoP got four content patches. WoD got one, one and a half if you're being generous.
>>334337927
>>334337720
Of course it's bad but when there's 80 levels and so many dungeons it becomes extremely difficult to form a group on just one server, especially for the irrelevant 1-70 range
>>334337986
to play demon hunter, I think
>>334337608
So your one argument is sudden death procs once in a while somehow makes it okay to only really use 3 buttons?
Not sure what you're talking about with having crit for procs since Arms really has no procs except for sudden death which is not based off crit.
>>334337593
I wonder how easy it would be to get the character data and serverdata from Nost...
Then re-host it in some place untouchable by US law.
>>334338073
I'm not defending WoD's drought either, that's one of the biggest problem with Blizzard's model is that they exhaust themselves very quick of content with the current design.
>WoD before the content drought had less subs than vanilla did
>blizzard has stopped reporting subscription numbers since then
How are blizzdrones going to defend this?
>>334338061
>People liked this?
Absolutely fucking nobody likes it, but blizzard thinks they know better than the players do so they're bringing it back.
>>334337941
>Atari took a fucking decade to die.
Atari didn't die, they just got bought out and merged into part of Infogrames in 2008
>>334338236
It's almost free content, as it can probably be randomized.
>>334338169
You should read their last announcement on forums. Fucking surrendermonkeys are either being threatened by blizzard or are just fucking afraid.
>>334325437
>get new sweet gear
>it's just a stat stick/ stat hat
>only actives or effects are on trinkets now
What ever happened to cool weapon effect on hits and item actives
I wish WoW would just go full f2p for all content except the newest expac. They already have the framework for it built it, the game is near-f2p anyway with tokens, and the vast majority of people playing WoW only give a shit about raids or current pvp. Just give us austists who like rep grinding old factions or rare spawn hunting something.
>>334337993
Go and read it again. I was trying to be painfully obvious.
I used to really like WoW but it's this basically >>334337939. The main issue with Garrisons is that you can get everything done by never leaving it. That and the gold flow rates from effectively doing nothing are crazy. I used to farm motes of mana in Netherstorm for hours to make what I can get from one shipyard mission.
A guy I know managed to get a full tier-set through those raid loot chests.
>>334337608
>>334338098
Fury is easy as piss but there's a lot more going on in that than Arms. It's also way more fun as a result. Legion is making Arms even slower.
>>334338221
WoD's launch subs were higher that at any point in Vanilla. It dived fast though.
>>334338236
You can minmax it to double or triple gold rewards and have 100% chances on everything.
Welcome to WoD.
>>334338347
>who like rep grinding old factions
Like what? Shen'dalar? Darkmoon Faire? :^)
>>334338342
Actually those are coming back for legion
>>334338318
>or are just fucking afraid.
Yeah, because when a giant corporation wants to sue you, especially when you're using their copyrighted IP, you're REALLY going to be safe.
Activision could've sued those guys into nonexistence if they wanted to. They had every legal right to.
>>334327262
9 bosses and 2 raids the whole xpac lmao
>>334337941
Atari was a hardware developer that made really shitty consoles like the Atari Jaguar, no shit they got bought out.
Blizzard's games sell in the billions. If Capcom can get away with years of complete shit I don't see how Blizzard can't.
>>334338342
>only actives or effects are on trinkets now
Even this is diminished now, since with WoD they introduced stat trinkets which are literally just your mainstat and one other stat. These take up a large amount of trinkets so even trinkets with a cool proc or effect on them are a rarity these days.
>>334338402
>launch subs
That's not the indication of quality, thats the indication of how good shills are at their work.
>>334333954
3% of legion is garrison based.
12% of legion is pet battles
47% of legion is world quests
70% of gearing is obtaining legendary items and 'upgrading' artifacts
There is no world pvp zone like wintergrasp/tol barad/ashran
demon hunters can solo black temple in 6 minutes
monks take 14.
death knights take 33.
everything else is between monks and dks in terms of mobility.
it might look pretty but the game is just a glowing pile of sparkly shit.
>>334337794
>10g
Don't quests give like 30g now? The last time I relapsed was in late Cata and I had somewhere close to 200k. That was just from the massive amount of gold you get from questing and vendoring shit. Who the fuck cares about 10g in modern WoW?
>>334338342
I miss Gurthalak
>Getting two and getting a swarm of mind-flaying tentacles
>>334338532
>If Capcom can get away with years of complete shit
They didn't though, it nearly financially destroyed them as a company. It's why they actually give a shit about what the fans want now
>inb4 then why is there no new Megaman
Everyone who made those games left Capcom years before the company was even shitty. Do you REALLY want people who had nothing to do with the series making the new ones?
>>334338561
The 3.3 million copies within the first 24 hours are an indication of how successful it was however. As low as the subs dropped, it still made Blizzard a fuck-ton of money.
>>334338573
and 100% good
he he
>>334338449
No, I already finished all the Insane shit pre-nerf. I had the Tuskar people faction left in Wrath and then pretty much every faction added since.
>>334338573
>12% of legion is pet battles
ARRRRGHHH
>>334338573
>everything else is between monks and dks in terms of mobility.
What about Rogue burst of speed? I use it for soloing raids all the time.
>>334338650
>tfw using it with both cthun and yogg trinkets
Japanese porn cantt even compare
>facebook missions are returning
>Devs on the forums defending it because "some players really want to be able to progress without dedicating time to the game"
it literally cant go lower.
>>334338561
I wasn't defending it, just correcting:
>WoD before the content drought had less subs than vanilla did
To be fair, WoD looked really promising.
>>334338635
A lot of people are gold capped on multiple characters at the moment. If you minmax your shipyard it can make you somewhere around 5000g a day.
>>334338747
>What about Rogue burst of speed?
Burst of Speed was pruned if I remember.
>>334338660
>It's why they actually give a shit about what the fans want now
Are you sure about that? How's SFV treating you? I'm glad early access is the new trend. Also pic related, all the fans want this.
>>334338635
Not sure about in legion, but in WoD the missions can give an upwards of 6k each. It's free money for doing literally nothing. I just log in, spam click my mouse (the mission table is nearly automated through an addon) for 2 seconds and then log out. It's a fucking joke. I probably make 100k a month just doing this. 5 minutes a day tops of work.
>>334338682
It was successful, yet it was garbage. Thats not good game design at work, thats just advertisement.
>>334325437
Did they ever add flying to WoD? Do they plan to add it to Legion?
Flying fucked over the game so hard, I understand why it seemed cool as an idea at the time but man, if I could retroactively remove anything from WoW it would be that.
>>334338747
Burst of speed is being removed. I used all the time to zoom through old raids. Yes I mad.
>>334327410
>my fucking face when I expected to look like a wc3 demon hunter
>mfw I have no face
>>334338821
>To be fair, WoD looked really promising
So did Cata. And MoP if you didnt go crazy with hating on pandas. It's about time people learnt.
>>334338886
Yea they added flying pretty late and plan on doing so again
I wish they wouldnt add it period but there are thousands of faggots who literally base their sub around it
>>334338803
It's a double insult when you think about it. It says both that their new players have no dedication, and the old players were no-life losers.the first one was true, I was part of it
>>334338823
>How's SFV treating you?
Just fine thanks. It has fighters with good variability, it's balanced, and you can play with the people next to you. A fighter doesn't need anything else, except maybe an arcade release.
>>334338941
>Burst of speed is being removed
>>334334984
>complains about shills
>replied in a shill thread
Want to know the secret to make em go away? You dont post in them and then watch as the thread falls down to and off page 100
>inb4 "hur hur you replied too"
We're 300+ replies in, too late now
>>334338886
>Did they ever add flying to WoD?
They did, but you have to do a bunch of very tedious shit to unlock it. I used to be against flying, but once you realize that world pvp will NEVER come back to WoW, flying or not, I came to the conclusion that there is just no reason not to have it.
>>334338874
It was garbage that sold like hot cakes and that's all developers care about. They only care when negative reception hurts them, and they hope that the new expansion will "fix the problems."
It won't, it will only make things worse as usual, but it will sell.
Welcome to America, land built upon snake oil salesmen.
>>334338886
>Did they ever add flying to WoD? Do they plan to add it to Legion?
They did. Essentially due to the content drought and everyone living in their Garrison anyway there wasn't any real argument against bringing flying back after a year or so.
The world was still empty but the forums were full of people complaining.
>>334338974
MoP really wasn't that bad. SoO was solid and there was a shit load more content than WoD. It was just thematically kind of stupid.
>>334339068
>They did, but you have to do a bunch of very tedious shit to unlock it
Or you just drop 50000g into medallions and get it in a couple hours. Everyone has more gold than they know what to do with anyway.
>>334339028
>it's balanced
>>334339068
>world pvp will NEVER come back to WoW, flying or not
Why? What other things are preventing it? Not doubting, just curious. I always saw flying as the biggest thing that killed world PvP (and garrisons now sound like they would as well).
>>334337794
I want it, fight me faggot
>>334339179
Did you play 3rd Strike by comparison? Because that was the most unbalanced game they've ever made.
>>334338554
>These take up a large amount of trinkets so even trinkets with a cool proc or effect on them are a rarity these days.
honestly MoP trinkets were terrible, being gimped until you got double OP as fuck warforged trinkets doing +10% of your damage
>>334334526
>mfw pandas
>>334339219
>What other things are preventing it?
People just plain don't want to do it or care about it. If they did they would actually bother to gank the other players they notice when running around.
>>334339169
>Everyone has more gold than they know what to do with anyway.
How do you go about this? I would love to play WoW if I could afford it by gold, I'd have some fun doing old content. But my highest level character is 80 so I won't have access to garrisons for a while (and I really don't want to buy WoD, would rather wait for Legion to come out and get it for free).
>>334327806
>le epik leg day maymay xD
>do you even hoist iron xD
>#gymmemes #liftingproblems
>>334339068
>World PvP will never come back
it was back in Mists on Isle of Thunder and TImeless Isle
WoD had garrisons that meant nobody went outside
>>334339219
Servers simply too empty, professions are useless no one fights for node areas. "Best" world pvp is at daily areas.
>>334339304
pre-100 it's heirlooms desu
>>334339219
Flying and garrisons mixed with the current player base rolling on PvP servers then getting upset when people attack them.
>kill a max level paladin on my rogue
>get a whisper a few minutes later
>"Reported you btw, enjoy"
>It's the fucking paladin getting upset that he got killed by a player on a PvP server
>Whisper back, "Love you too babe"
>>334339319
Can make 30000-40000g a week solo clearing the Cata raids. That's only limited by how many characters and how much patience you have. A garrison or two with some decent follower and ship trait setups can pay your sub alone as well.
>>334339428
I'm talking about even with current content
>>334336118
>playing an MMO as a single player game
Good jerb
>>334337986
Stockholm syndrome, son.
>>334339371
>Timeless Isle
>world pvp
bullshit, everyone was too busy watching the spawn timers like a hawk to care.
>>334337986
People bought MGSV and Killing Floor 2, people gave money to Mighty No. 9. Retards will buy anything.
>>334339219
First thing that comes to mind is that cross-realm servers just don't work. Everyone has flocked to the largest servers, which are always VERY heavily lopsided. I think my server is 99% Alliance. How many horde did I see while leveling multiple characters in total? Maybe one or two.
At max level, you just sit in your garrison all day. Completely instanced and alone. Let us not forget WoD's attempt to save world pvp: Assram. If you haven't played WoD, be fucking thankful you didn't have to experience that disaster. Whoever designed that piece of shit should have been fired.
>>334339627
But I liked MGSV. I put 100 hours into it.
The game has been dead for 6 years
What's the point now?
Hoping Legion will trigger our addiction again?
Fuck off m8
Did they ever remove the CRZ shit. I understand why they did it, but that shit made me so assmad because it effectively killed any chance I had of getting some of the old rare mounts. I spent a disgusting amount of time looking for the TLPD in Wrath and Cata and I expect it's impossible now since you're competing not only with people on your server, but multiple servers
>>334339561
For what? Only thing I saw people waiting on was for Houlon on occasion
>TFW first kill got me the mount
>>334339694
So you're a moron who has no business criticizing the idiots who buy WoW expansions.
>>334339448
>Can make 30000-40000g a week solo clearing the Cata raids. That's only limited by how many characters and how much patience you have. A garrison or two with some decent follower and ship trait setups can pay your sub alone as well.
What classes are best for soloing cata raids? And what does the cash come from? Straight gold or mats?
>>334327410
>twin blades of azzinoth on each of your shoulderpads
>twin blades of azzinoth on your belt
>>334339771
Have you forgotten the frogs? And the ghost ship?
And that goddamn fucking snake I JUST WANT THE SNAKE PET, STOP BEATING ME TO IT.
>>334339561
>timeless isle had no wpvp
you are literally lying right now. There was so much PvP that blizzard had to change flagging so carebears didnt accidentally flag themselves
>>334339831
I'm not the same person, I just commenting because your implication was that I bought something without knowing if I'd enjoy it,
>>334339835
>What classes are best for soloing cata raids?
Literally any. The only thing that's annoying is Spine of Deathwing which is way easier on a Hunter than anything else.
>>334339762
I believe the CRZ was related to lowering server upkeep.
>>334340042
>you are literally lying right now.
I'm not lyingI use a PvE server
>>334340161
So did I, I got Fire Watcher on a PvE server
If you flag people will attack you. The issue is that between flying and dungeon queues you rarely run into players anymore
>>334340243
>If you flag people will attack you.
I didn't use AoE.
>>334340340
youre fucking retarded m8
finally making jewelcrafting good next epac
http://www.wowhead.com/news=252438/legion-world-quests-quick-overview-warlock-and-druid-order-hall-updates-bejewele?refresh
>>334340425
I loved engineering because it was objectively the best profession, but literally nobody bothered maxing it because they were all too busy min maxing or looking for a profit. Didn't they remove any stat benefit for professions?
>>334340425
>wow candy crush.jpg
ALRIGHT NOW I'M MAD
>>334340425
>not one but TWO facebook games in WoW
They CANT keep getting away with it
Did they change the priest hall yet? Last time I checked it was some shitty space goat area instead of something logical like a goddamn cathedral.
>>334340645
engineering is still the best profession other than that every other profession is useless and you cant make any off money and do nothing for stats, i had maxx blacksmithing and jewelcrafting coming into wod never made any money off either and it takes 3k to maxx any profession now
>>334340758
Cataclysm had a PvZ quest.
>>334340645
Yup, professions are now totally useless. You don't even have to level them up anymore, as you can make everything right off the drop at level 1/700
And on top of that, you even have your own mine and herb garden right in your garrison so gathering professions are useless. You don't even fucking need mining to mine in your garrison! It's a joke.
>>334340425
Do you guys remember that WoW Peggle addon that popped up when using a fp?
>>334340845
>selfie cam
>candy crush
>farmville
>plantsvszombies
>pokemon
I don't like balance that much on live, how much better is balance in the alpha?
So how bad did they nerf warlocks in Legion?
>>334340904
>You don't even have to level them up anymore, as you can make everything right off the drop at level 1/700
Like you have every non-drop recipe instantly? What in the literal fuck is Blizzard doing? I spent countless hours and thousands of gold leveling professions on numerous characters.
>>334341164
All the Draenor stuff essentially. The rare/epic recipes are bought with tokens that you can make one of a day.
>The most expensive recipes cost 5 tokens
>blizzard is adding "world quests"
>people praising this
So first and foremost, its either going to be RIDICULOUSLY RNG riddled like mythic dungeons right now, or immediately outclassed by LFR because they need to shill LFR.
The rewards will also be all reskinned mounts and toys, because actual progression is not something blizzard offers anymore
Reputations will not have any quests of their own, and quite possibly not offer any character progression at all and just more reskinned mounts and pets. Reputation gains will all be through doing world quests, so garbage like Highmountain Tauren getting rep from doing stuff completely unreleated to highmountain tauren.
And to top ALL of this off nothing will be challenging. It will either be braindead or it will be a zerg boss open tag
The system is utter trash and laughable compared to world content of vanilla.
>that feel when no idea what to main in legion
Kill me
Alphafag here. Managed to only do a handful of world quests due to a phasing issue ie NPCs popping in and out of phase.
Compared to WoD it feels pretty good. From what I've experienced, you have 2 factions at a time that you can complete world quests for. Doing 4 quests for one gives you a cache like in Diablo 3.
And yes there is a fuckton of world bosses
The world quests have some decent variety so far
>Warden Towers you defend
>Bonus objective style areas
>World PvP areas aka arenas
>Crafting mats (Gather 40 of an herb, etc)
>Fuckhuge elite mobs
>>334342089
demon hunter, much like everyone else.
>>334342089
>not canceling pre order
>>334342089
orc warrior
>>334341852
>>334342140
Oh and to add. I havent gotten a cache yet, but they're also in placeholder mode at the moment. Some world quests reward gear, but it's only 810 so it's not super ridiculous. Not yet, at least.
>>334342140
Are there any quests for specific factions? Do reputations DO anything this time around
>RNG rewards like D3
awesome
Find a flaw
>>334342359
>blood elf
>clipping
>dead realm
>>334342279
Each zone gives quest for a certain faction. For example, Varlajar for Stormheim, Court of Farondis for Azsuna, and Dreamweavers for Val'Sharah.
Other factions like The Wardens have ones in all the zones.
>>334341101
Top tier. Like always.
>>334342359
using a skin colour that doesn't show off the freckle face properly
0/10 reroll again
>>334342140
Why the hell is it taking so long to go to beta?
>>334340953
when people look back on legion's 6 hour 100-110 surely they'll say "but that activision ad was good, 10/10"
Is the warden armor set in-game yet?
>>334329137
Why not?
>>334342550
Dunno. Optimism would say they're taking their time. But they could also just be fucking around. Still quite a bit of content to be added in.
>>334342634
From everything they seem to have put out already it feels more feature ready than the Legion beta did when it started.
>>334342634
Here's what world quests look like atm. Blue with the golden dragon means elite. Crossed swords is warden towers and world pvp. The green claw is pet battles. Enough quests pop up that you don't feel forced to do those if you don't want to.
>>334342359
That exoplanet should be fucking your day right now.
Does this mean i'm in the beta or is it gonna ask me to buy the game after it's done installing?
>>334342843
Are elites strong enough to require groups, or will classes be able to solo them?
>>334342843
ooh, they're pulling stuff from diablo 3
i keep getting hopeful that this isn't going to suck dicks
>>334342481
I guess if you're not shit at PvP.
For me it'd usually pan out to seeing the sap icon come up and just wait for the unstoppable rapefest to begin.
>>334342931
probably blood dk can solo everything again, there's a video of someone soloing kazzak
>>334342919
Pretty sure its an open beta weekend. So everyone can play.
>>334328918
>implying FFXIV isn't as dead as wow
MMO's are a dying breed.
I've never played WoW before. When they release new expansions, does the overall worldspace stay the same? I mean, can you go to the same places that were in Vanilla/previous expansions? Can you do the same quests?
>>334342931
Elites hit hard as fuck. You'll need a group for them from what I've experienced.
It looks like diablo 3
oh that explains why
>>334343074
It's invite only. It says on the NEWS page.
>>334343074
Open beta weekend is 3 weeks.
>>334342919
Yes, this weekend is a new wave of closed beta.
>>334343165
Fuck that loser
>>334343135
sometimes
>>334343167
Well I never got an invite but I can play, so I dont see how that could be true.
>>334343135
Yes, they keep all old content and do the same quests. The big exception was in Cata when they fucked up most of the Vanilla Azeroth and changed most/all of the quests. I hate to even suggest it, but if you're vaguely interest in WoW, you can play till level 20 for free.
>>334343165
Diablo 3 release or diablo 3 now? Because diablo 3 now is actually pretty enjoyable.
>>334343165
Wyatt Cheng from the D3 team is also working on it too. The guy who helped to sort of unfuck D3 with RoS.
>>334343254
Upon checking I actually am flagged for the beta. Weird, I never got an email or anything.
>>334343329
see
>>334343346
The answer is both
>>334343329
Jay worked on Diablo 3 but not Reaper of Souls
>>334343414
I didn't get an email either and I'm in.
>>334343438
Pretty much. But it doesn't seem like Wilson has a big part in it. From what I remember it's mostly combat related. Shit like visuals and themes.
>>334327592
>2 buttons
How is Unholy DK in Legion so far?
>>334343323
Then what was with the whole debacle with Nostalrius? Were the changes that Blizzard made in balancing/gameplay that different from Vanilla? At first I thought that Vanilla/previous expansions were ditched entirely by Blizzard and that you had to buy the newest one, which didn't allow you to return to locations/content from previous iterations, in which case I thought the rage was justified.
In any case, I just started playing Guild Wars again, so I'm good on MMOs for now.
>>334343741
its horrible, the absolute worst, no fun at all
Just a reminder there's no point in playing this game unless you're a basement dwelling kid.
Literally, instead of legendary ring they'll have legendary something else you have to waste a lot of your living life on to get.
Don't do it, there's more important things than a shitty 13 year old game engine.
>>334343741
It's really fluid and feels good to play. Epidemic is also really nice for AoE with the recent rune reduction.
>>334343781
Why?
>>334343881
>they'll have legendary something else
They have legendary of everything in Legion I'm pretty sure.
They are making the game Diablo 3: the MMO
>>334343741
DK got pruned HARD. Pic related, maxed out frost DK.
>>334329472
i understood that reference
>>334325510
>Fact #1:
>The new Game Director being groomed is a 13/13 Mythic raider, Scarab Lord, and guild leader of famous guild Elitist Jerks.
>Previously, he was responsible for the great raids in MoP and WoD.
And that's why Legion will be garbage.
I don't care for raiding and neither does 90% of the userbase. Make end game that isn't raiding or revisiting old content.
>>334343881
I dont get why the legendary ring and cloak triggered people so badly on here. They were effortless to get unless you subbed for 2 weeks at the end of the expac and wanted one.
>>334343994
To be fair frost DK's were always a braindead spec. Now Blizz is just admitting it and taking away button clutter.
>>334344043
>I don't care for raiding and neither does 90% of the userbase. Make end game that isn't raiding or revisiting old content.
Doing what? Going back to the MOP methodology of having literally hours of daily quests to do every single day?
>>334343994
That doesn't look any different to current frost dk
>>334343994
More buttons than anyone has pushed on their frost DK since WotLK.
>>334344043
>I don't care for raiding and neither does 90% of the userbase.
I used to wish for Demon Hunters as a class back in the vanilla/BC days. But at this point, and as much as I liked Demon Hunters, they feel so unnecessary now.
>>334325437
>its a go back into this familiar area and fight the new evil within level
>>334344053
>I literally don't understand the problem with making the raids ezpzmode.
Raids became a bore real quick with the legendary items because I knew that person was well enough geared for the content we wouldn't have any trouble facerolling through it.
Raiding has lost it's meaning, after WOTLK everything has become to easy to be interesting.
>>334344246
Its pretty easy to spot someone that hasn't actually played in several expacs or thinks LFR is raiding. Mythic raiding is not easy, and hasn't been. Nor was heroic raiding in MoP. Both expacs had very challenging fights all the way through, and nothing about them trivialized by the legendaries.
>>334344316
Some of the binds are duplicates since I'm too lazy to move them.
>>334336256
>>334336326
>>334339496
>IM FAT AND MY LIFE SUCKS SO I BLAME THIS GAME FOR NOT MAKING ME FEEL UNIQUE AND SPECIAL
fuck off fatboy, this game isn't for you, go to a gym.
>>334344246
If you aren't pushing mythic content you don't have a right to bitch about difficulty.
Difficult encounters are the lest of Neo-WoW's problems.
>>334343994
desu the only class with less buttons than frost is guardian anyway and i dont see that changing for legion
>>334337627
>They make money from literally everything else, subs can only hurt so much. XIV doesn't report sub numbers either and nobody gives a shit.
That's because XIV is garbage and anyone who isn't a blind fanboy has forgotten about it.
>>334344378
Yeah right, real hard when every guild on my server including my own was posting 13/13 M cleared, kek.
>>334343994
>>334344316
are theyfunafter the rune changes?
>>334344516
Yeah I'm sure even those friends and family only guilds that can't even clear normal were just rolling through Mythic.
>>334344486
I really don't get the love for 14. Its got SOME good things, but overall its pretty meh. And goddamn, there is even less to do at max level inf 14 than there is WoD.
>>334325437
>"cata will be amazing"
>it's shit
>"pandaria will be amazing"
>it's shit
>"wod will be amazing"
>it's shit
>"legion will be amazing"
They just never learn.
Reminder that they stopped publishing sub numbers because they were ashamed of the constant player loss.
>>334344623
God I hate that shit in Wrath. Friend and Familiy guilds had the homies and chill guild leaders but holy shit do those niggas suck ass at raiding.
>>334343758
They removed the original talent tree, at least 50% of abilities most classes used to have. Every class is just fucking whitewashed and all play the same now, warlocks no longer have to worry about soulstones carrying soulstones, shamans no longer have to worry about placing totems, rogues don't have to carry poisons, hunters dont have to carry ammo etc. because boo fucking hoo these tiny things you have to manage takes too much thought for some people. Anything that made classes unique, and desired is gone. The social aspect is destroyed by garrisons and LFG/LFR. Even if you wanted to be social with the people you run dungeons with it's pointless because they'll be going back to their own server afterwards.
>>334344617
Yeah. It provides a lot more flexibility too. Like swapping between Festering and SS, and being able to pop Epidemic on the fly if AoE is needed.
>>334344623
Look, keep lying to yourself if it makes you feel better about your dying game.
Legion won't bring back 4 Million players.
It's dead, it's time to move on to better things. M
MMO's have evolved since World of Give me your money and like what I like craft.
>>334344617
No class is fun in legion with 2 button rotations.
>>334344703
MoP wasn't shit, it was completely fine and better than cata. Just cuz it wasn't as good as the first 3 doesn't mean it was god awful like cata and wod were.
>>334344695
It's a well polished game, though there isn't much to do at the end.
I like that you can play every job on one character, so you don't have to make alts if you want to change things up.
>>334344786
not him, but he's not wrong. I've tried to be "casual" multiple times and join friend and family guilds and they can barely make it 1-2 bosses into mythic. I couldn't handle it every time i've done it.
>>334344958
I like that too, but the limited inventory space and INCREDIBLY tedious leveling experience make it hurt. I mean goddamn, I hated how I had to give them another 2 bucks a month just for another retainer.
>>334344732
This is such bullshit. Every class is specifically designed to bring valuable utility. Not a single class is left out of a decent raid comp. And those "unique" elements you mentioned were just pointless. Especially shit like soulstones were just poorly implemented tedium. I can't believe anyone looks back on needing to farm bags and bags of them constantly as a wonderful privilige they can't live without.
>>334341852
Still no quests that require grouping...
>>334344873
A few of the talents add some complexity. Necrosis encourages weaving in DC and SS for the 25% damage bonus. Shadow Infusion is the same old playstyle of pooling RP for DT when it wears off.
Dark Arbiter replaces Gargoyle and does more damage for each point of RP you spend. So you'll want to plan ahead of when you pop it for max results.
>>334341852
LFR has been pointless all WoD. Why do you think they would "shill" it now? Flex is the new "LFR" as far as Blizzard is concerned.
>>334345301
>the RPG elements are pointless
How very casual of you.
>>334345541
>I need a game that forces me to roleplay because im too casual to do it myself
So far i have seen nothing new added(except demon hunter) to legion.
Most of the stuff added are taken from diablo 3 like the world quests and dungeons
The mission table is just wods mission table + weekly raid quest from BC/WOTLK
They said professions will have a much bigger role but still can't see it.
If they could just fucking innovate and not take some features from here and there and hope people have forgotten abut them, maybe i would sub again.
Give me ONE thing that i have not seen in any of blizzards game added in legion.
>>334326876
>there are some positive elements, such as a bit of offline progression
nigger how the fuck is offline progression in an MMO a good thing?
>>334345951
because blizz don't want you to play their game
>>334345196
Yeah, the limited inventory space doesn't suit the amount of classes you can play on one characters or the number of cosmetic items there are.
