HIGH
REWARD
HIGH
IMPACT
EXCITING
COMPETITIVE
ELECTRONIC SPORT
for 90 people :^)
>4v1
How does this even make sense in a competitive setting
What went wrong?
>>334254415
It's a fun game, but if players aren't gud it falls apart. This is essentially the reason why the game is dead. Only gud player need to apply.
>>334254469
dlc microtransaction model
>>334254415
>tfw the game was fun for a short time
Game looked fun and interesting. Not gonna spend over 200 bucks on it though.
>>334254469
Full rrp for something that appeared to be a fad indie game that would likely even have died at 9.99
>>334254462
Believe it or not. You have more chances winning when you were the monster.
>>334254646
>You have more chances winning when you were the monster.
Not really. Competitive hunter teams are really difficult to beat. In pubs, however, you can style on hunters who can't coordinate for shit.
>>334254709
40% chance of winning against organized teams
95% of winning against pubs.
Devs fucked up by saying the game was "built from the ground up for DLC".
>Falling for the "Evolve is bad" meme
>>334254963
This.
90 people playing the game isn't bad
>>334254469
Along with the whole dlc thing it also didnt help when the devs main focus was esports and not just game itself
>>334254963
you've been memed my friend
man i remember all those threads hyping it up and then after the dlc content plan was released everyone crucified it
>>334255167
To be honest I don't understand the hype when Left 4 Dead sucked.
I've said it before and I'll say it again
Evolve is practically so dead, after a while every player has played the other player at least 20 times leading to a new meta where each player knows the other play so god damned well it becomes more of a mind reading game than anything.
>>334255223
>L4D sucked
Just say you have no friends.
>>334254415
THIS IS WHAT YOU GET
THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN THE ONLY FEATURE YOUR GAME HAS IS THAT IT IS PLANNED TO BE INFINITELY JEWED
Fucking learn to be nonchalant or silent about it atleast you motherfucking merchants.
Look at Payday, they did the same thing and they are still in business
>>334255335
We preordered the game you moron. It was one of the lamest co-op games ever made and basically had 0 content, and the only legit good part in it and L4D2 is Versus.
I play Evolve everyday and it is actually an ok game.
Believe it or not it is very competitive, and as someone already said ITT you have more chances winning when playing as monster (alone) than playing as Hunter (4 man team).
The game flopped because of the ridiculous dlc shit and sometimes you can encounter some shithead hackers, but that's it.
If you can buy the game for 10 or 15 bucks it's actually worth it.
I have played 400 hours since christmas sales and im hooked and i'll be playing the game for a long time, because there's a lot of variety in monsters and hunters and you can make great combos and shit.
I actually recommend it, but as i said, pay only 10 or 15 bucks for it.
>>334254469
If they had just been not greedy assholes and developed the game to have more depth and different game modes alongside idiotic day one DLC and a 60$ price tag, they would have done better. It was a cash grab and not a good one at that.
>tfw my favorite niche shooters will at least never be as dead as Evolve
>>334255445
The game also flopped because of the routine it gives. I played it for a while but came to the realization that every game was exactly the same with little deviation. This would be fine if the game wasn't actually boring to play on endgame, but it was. Didn't help that they killed the game through their intense greed though.
>>334255437
Why lie on the Internet?
>>334255445
>theres atually someone on /v/ here out of these 90 people ;^)
>>334255445
I played the beta a bit, but after a couple of hours I realized that glorified hide-n-seek just isn't very interesting to me.
>>334255562
Fuck off. I bet you weren't even there when there were only TWO VERSUS MAPS
>>334255445
if it was actually a competitive game the win chances for monster and hunter would be as close to 50% as possible
if you have more chances of winning as either that detracts from the competitive aspect
>>334254415
What site?
>>334255548
Well, huh, that can be applied to every multiplayer game.
Not a fanboy or trying to defend it, but atleast Evolve has a lot of variety on the characters and offers a bunch of games modes.
I agree with the devs being shameless jews, tho.
>>334255562
Not him but anon, the game is universally hated on Steam and Metacritic by user reviews. It was boring and it sounds to me as if you weren't even there for all the problems it had at launch.
>>334255631
There is no need to be upset. Some people just aren't good at making friends.
It was fun to see it crash and burn.
>>334255473
>tfw i spent 300 hours in rainbow six siege
>tfw my personal goty 2015
>tfw i hope it will have enough players for the next year so i dont have to wait in matchmaking for 2 hours for a match to start
>>334255662
Except for the fact that you switch sides in any serious competitive environment?
Damn you're dumb.
>>334255734
post that video
you know the one :v)
>>334255680
I said it would be fine if it was repetitive if it was fun. It wasn't. Game is hated on Steam and Metacritic, most unpaid reviewers called it shit. Not to mention the awful, awful launch. But its gameplay isn't great and is boring to most. Guess you're just the odd one out anon.
>>334255710
L4D has overwhelmingly positive reviews on Steam dumbfuck
>>334255753
Used to have 40,000 via Steam when I last played. Now it's got 6,000 on Steam. Game is dying anon.
>>334254646
If you played against a team of hunters that knew what they were doing, you would never win.
>attack assault/trapper
>medic and support both heal and shield them
>attack medic or supporter
>the other heals/shields them while assault and trapper attack you
There's literally no way to win against a coordinated team based on how much they can shield and heal each other.
Not to mention Laz can revive people, and it's impossible to eat dead bodies because a single bullet stops you
>>334255797
https://youtu.be/7M4RwGwQslM
>>334255864
Just kill Laz. Get points in flame breath since his healing is shite.
>>334254469
dlc fuckery aside it was left 4 dead in reverse; instead of the tank chasing you, you chased the tank.
>>334255847
Evolve isn't L4D you dumb fuck. I'm talking about how Evolve sucks shit, not L4D. If you had any reading comprehension you would know that the main game we are discussing is Evolve. The first comment pertains to L4D, then some dipshit stacks it too L4D as if it is somehow relevant. I am talking about Evolve.
>>334254415
The pricetag killed it
>>334255774
How exactly does that go?
Everyone gets a turn as the monster?
>>334254415
If the developers would have just kept their mouths shut they may have been able to milk another few million in DLC out of people before it died. They were too arrogant, and assumed that people would buy whatever shit they sold like mindless drones.
>>334255858
it never had 40k players. Maybe only at launch date. Maximum I saw was around 18k that was during holiday season. Now its been solid 5-10k players + theres a lot of players on Uplay because they offered discounts when steam didn't.
>>334255662
Let me explain how this game works.
Theres a game mode called arena, where the monster starts in stage 2 and everyone is inside a dome, so the fight starts instantly.
In that mode the monster has higher chances of winning because a monster in Stage 2 is actually pretty powerful.
But the comp mode is ONLY hunt, in hunt the monster starts in stage 1 (the monster is very very weak and must run away and feed as fast as possible to get more powerful).
Well, in hunt there are a lot factors that can determine the outcome of the match.
Wildlife, bufs, caves, highgrounds, even bushes where you can literally hide.
A good player knows where all of these are in every map, and he will use it to his advantage.
Also picking the right hunters for every monster is vital.
For example, picking bucket against a behemoth is absolutely fucking bad, but if you pick him against a Wraith it's very good.
So, yes the game can be very competitive.
>>334255954
First comment pertains to Evolve*
Did the game have in game currency or was the only way to unlock things was with actual money
>>334255954
Avtuly I was never talking about Evolve and only L4D. Learn to have the same conversation Mr no friends.
>>334255992
My bad, 20K. Steam charts show it's declining and dropping though, not staying.
>>334255803
Seems like it.
I'm not a big fan of AAA games but i'm really enjoying it, and it's being a very fun game for me, to be quite honest with you.
>>334255753
They need to drop the price to get mainstream adoption.
I dont think ubisoft realizes their direct competitor to siege is counter-strike. All I ever hear about siege is either how shit the anticheat is or how great the game is but its a shame the community is small.
>>334256086
>man i remember all those threads hyping it up and then after the dlc content plan was released everyone crucified it
This was the first comment and then you bring in L4D for no fucking reason you tard. I am talking about Evolve, not L4D. Stay mad retard.
Flop of the fucking millennium.
Even Brink lasted longer than this game.
>>334255939
Not a lot of people would pick laz in the end.
There are like 6 people per match. Why would you need more than 90? 90 is a fine amount for the amount of people per game. Besides it's like 4 AM in the US; you're probably looking at US numbers.
>>334256139
>This was the first comment and then you bring in L4D for no fucking reason you tard. I am talking about Evolve, not L4D. Stay mad retard.
Maybe the fact that both games share the same developers...
>>334255939
You have to be pretty lucky to kill Laz with no issues considering he can go invisible and all three others will be attacking and shielding.
>>334255921
Feels bad that I was pretty hyped for this game. I see now that it's complete shit, but I did have some fun with it before it got too repetitive
>>334256065
You could unlock one skin per character through playing, basically a "Mastery" skin that shows you've done a whole lot of shit with that character, some very situational.
But the ten billion other skins and everything else? Yeah. Behind a fucking paywall.
>>334256237
Only some of the developers from L4D worked on Evolve. Good job being autistic again.
>>334256270
Except the whole hype behind Evolve was "OMG TURTLEROCK STUDIOS! THEY MADE TEH L4D!"
Even though L4D is a shit game in the first place and people only think it's good because it has the Valve logo on it.
>>334254415
>90 in game
Its like its a damned indie F2P multiplayer game from the damned early 2000s.
>>334256270
Not the same guy you were replying to.
Calm down.
>Only some of the developers from L4D worked on Evolve.
And it does matters, believe it or not.
>>334256224
Love the excuses
>>334256260
Thats dumb if you had the ability to get in game currency to get unlocks it would have increased play time with some percentage of people
>>334256318
You clearly have no friends and with good reason
L4D was pretty much the best game to coop in holy shit, almost an entire decade
PVP was not the main aspect of the game
>>334256318
>people only think it's good because it has the Valve logo on it
No, I think it's good because I liked it.
>>334256318
I can agree with you some of the hype pertaining to it was because of the Developers. But MOST of the hype was because of Games Con and all the media covering it as if it was a fucking godsend. Paid reviews or biased reviews painted the game in a good light, when in reality all we got was Day one costly DLC, repetitive circle gameplay, and a 60$ price tag. Game was over hyped with fake hype and gained real hype in the process because of it. The developers were not the main focus of why people bought it, which by the way, did not include many of the key L4D developers, and only had some original members in the new studio.
>>334256252
>You have to be pretty lucky to kill Laz with no issues considering he can go invisible and all three others will be attacking and shielding.
It depends on many factors, but Laz is not unkillable. If you take flame breath his invisibility doesn't work well. You can snipe him with rock while he is jetpacking and then just hulk smash.
>>334256401
Of course it matters, but not to the extent of how much publicity the game got, and how much fake hype was built around Games Con which presented it to everyone as a godsend. The developers were not the key focal point of why the game was so hyped. You ask most L4D players who developed the game and they say Valve, not TurtleRock Studios.
I don't have a problem with the game being 'balanced' around 1v4 if it was a pub game, but they designed it to be a competitive game, right? Supposedly at least.
So if thats the case how the fuck are you meant to build a competitive team around the game? Do you have 4 designated human players and 1 designated monster player? How do competitive games work? Do your hunters play their monsters and then their hunters play your monster?
A competitive team game has to have an equal amount of human roles on each side or it doesn't make sense. Like in natural selection there would be 5 people playing marines and the sixth would be the commander view, even though the two roles were very different you still all worked together vs 6 enemy players and then at half time you could swap
1v4 just doesnt make sense for a 'competitive' game, at the most basic lowest level of design
>>334256479
>PVP was not the main aspect of the game
You are wrong. L4D was PvP game, if you wanted good coop you played Killing Floor where teamwork actually mattered and wasn't forced by disables.
Confirmed no sequel, correct? I hope so.
>>334256479
>L4D was pretty much the best game to coop in holy shit, almost an entire decade
Shit taste confirmed.
>>334256483
>No, I think it's good because I liked it.
Shit taste confirmed.
Call me when you have over a 1,000 hours in L4D2 versus.
>>334256585
>you are wrong because I have a different opinion
again, sorry about you not having friends at all, but this is the reason for it
>>334256561
Then we agree, nice.
See? you don't have to call someone autist just because you are confused.
>>334256517
It's not impossible to kill him, just unlikely considering everyone else is going to be coming for you, protecting him, and a smart laz will only go invisible after you've breathed fire.
Honestly winning against a premade team of hunters is next to impossible
>>334256679
That's true. Ever since they buffed damage taken by monsters, good hunters had an edge.
>>334256645
Not confused, because the initial point he made was that the hype only pertained to the developers name, not the reasons I just gave you. You say TurtleRock and no one knows what the fuck you're talking about most of the time.
>>334256608
Probably not, but I wouldn't mind a sequel if they learned from their mistakes
>add more content, game modes, and monsters
>Either one season pass with a lot of content, or no season pass
>no payable skins
>add a better versus mode with multiple monsters
>charge less since it's multiplayer only and they don't deserve to charge full price after evolve
>>334256442
Yeah but the problem's the publisher. They knew the game wasn't going to sell particularly well or be particularly successful so they decided to cash cow the everliving crap out of it as hard as possible before people lost interest.
Playing the game was pretty bittersweet as in, yeah it's fun to play but you could be having a lot more fun with everything unlocked, and that's all behind a massive paywall.
>>334256743
The real problem is the fucking healer with heal grenades. It's fucking impossible to down them because they just keep spamming the grenade at their feet. That paired with their self heals makes them nearly fucking invincible, especially if they get shielded, even for a few moments between heals
>>334256813
on the topic of their publisher 2k really needs to calm it down with the retard dissension making
>>334256858
Caira is one of the worst healers since the nerf. Used to be strong long time ago.
>>334256961
This. Caira used to be absolutely unstoppable her grenades healed harder and reloaded faster than most Monster's could pump out damage consistently.
i never liked the idea for this game just cause playing as tank in l4d is not fun, its fucking harrowing cause all the pressure is dumped on you.
>>334257043
>all the pressure is dumped on you.
There is no pressure. You just capitalize on fuckups of hunters and get strikes on them. Defeating hunters with strikes on them is fucking easy, once you are slightly good at the game.
>>334255710
>L4D is universally hated
>>334256092
Half the games I play have literally less than a tenth of what siege has, 6k and declining is still active as FUCK
Couldn't Evolve work in esport like this, you got 5 man teams each team has 1 monster player, you play against other team where other teams hunters hunt other teams monster and vice versa the team that kills monster or hunters first wins, this some rounds and there you go.
>>334256252
Hate to say it, but we told you so.
>>334257264
>4 players coordinating together
>1 loser by himself
Doesn't sound like a team to me.
>>334257264
>Couldn't Evolve work in esport like this, you got 5 man teams each team has 1 monster player
Does sitting out sound fun to you?
>>334257264
Haven't you seen Evolve cups?
>>334257264
Pretty sure that's literally how it's done, anon.
>>334256585
>kf1
>teamwork
Pick one.
>>334255093
Having the focus be esports didn't even fucking make sense. The game is 4v1. How the fuck are you meant to have esports teams play this? Have three players sit out every round?
Fucking stupid.
>>334257875
I forget, the only thing i remember was that awful chappie shit. but i think it was
a total team was 5 1 monster 4 hunters
having rounds
All the dirty goyim still fell for it, bought the fucking game, and will probably do the same for the next overhyped piece of garbage. Those Jews are absolute masters of their craft.
>>334258038
So... FOUR PLAYERS SIT OUT?
I mean, if you have two teams of 5 fight each other in a 4v1 game, then one team would have four players sit out, and the other would have 1 sit out. Unless you have two games at the same time.
>>334257138
It's definitely not for everyone, you need the right mindset to be a monster player. I find it very exhilerating which is why I'm sad the game is ded as fuck because of the cash cowing.
The whole getting hunted down by 4 other people and somehow managing to survive and kill them all is the best feeling I've ever had playing video games. The beta was especially hilarious when Kraken was OP as fuck, people would dome me and that would be the game ender because they couldn't run away from me.
'TIS NOT I WHO IS LOCKED IN HERE WITH YOU
'TIS YOU WHO IS LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME
More people are playing Morrowind right now.
>>334258130
That's pretty cool.
>>334258128
Maybe, its hard to remember devs trying to force an eports scene on a game that shouldn't have it. but think i think it was a best of 3 attack(Monster)/Defenders(Hunters)
>>334258254
Yeah that's why I feel another dev should take up this game concept and just don't use any cash cowing whatsoever. More like Smite's business model where you can easily unlock new characters/skins after a few rounds of playing.
I'm still surprised it never got a "Thanks for the $60 folks we're now making it F2P after sales have dried up!" update.
>>334255921
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oh my fucking god nearly pissed myself
DLC was never this game's problem, or even a problem at all. The shit on launch was literally all just useless skins, none of the extra characters were finished so they couldn't have been cut content. The fact that a few of them came out completely overpowered is neither here nor there, the game had already pretty much died before that even became an issue.
No, the problems with this game were twofold: misconceptions and mistakes. First, they lost out on quite a lot of sales, primarily on PC, due to all the bitching in the steam reviews over all the DLC (primarily because the morons let anyone who played in the pre-release beta/demo review the game), even though that shit didn't matter, and it really did have enough polish to be worth buying at release, if you were the kind of person who likes this kind of game. But that brings us to the second problem, the game kills its own playerbase. As has been mentioned in this thread, a competent monster can destroy an average, uncoordinated team, while even a pro monster will get flattened by a competent team. What this did was slowly discourage all but the truest fans from ever touching the pile of dogshit ever again, monsters would quit the moment they realized how fucked they were in the higher skill brackets, and hunters would quit in droves due to being shitters without friends. It didn't die because of DLC, or even balance issues, it was always going to cannibalize its own playerbase due to the inherent flaws of its core design principles, with monsters chewing up bads and then being chewed up themselves later. Maybe if they had spent time overhauling these principles instead of making new shitty map modes and pointless new characters, we could have had a good game.
>>334258480
Believe me there will be. Turtle Rock can't let it die now, there's still more money to be made. Expect a F2P version soon.
>>334259352
There's too much competition now for F2P co-op/team shooters. They lost their chance to do it before all these team/moba hybrids began shilling the board.
>>334259493
Evolve is by far the best looking one at least, too bad.
