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I would like to play vanilla Wolrd of Warcraft. I'm willing to pay $30 a month for the opportunity. I don't want to play Wolrd of Warcraft in its current form because World of Warcraft in its current form sucks.
Please tell me where I can pay Blizzard for the opportunity to play vanilla World of Warcraft legitimately.
You don't want to play vanilla WoW. You think you do, but you don't.
>I'm willing to pay $30
Liar. qq some more about not being able to steal Blizzard's ip.
>>334233161
But I do. I really do.
>>334233161
I don't even like WoW vanilla or otherwise, but seeing that clip even made me pissed.
What a shit way to treat way your community.
>>334233541
I'd probably treat retail WoW players like shit too if I was getting rich off the game that consumed their lives.
>>334233452
You nostalgic riddled brain is deluding you
>>334233452
You think you do.
After about a month you'll realize that your memory of the game is distorted and that it isn't really as good as you remember it. We have done a lot of research on this. Our understanding about the fiscal viability of a vanilla server is solid. There just isn't enough interest to justify feeding a few thousand people just a few months of nostalgia.
>>334233452
Blizzard is not going to open a Vanilla Server. Perhaps you should give the latest expansion a chance.
You'll like it if you just give it a chance.
>>334233814
I was just playing it a week ago, moron. It isn't like I haven't played it in years and I've forgot the reality of the game.
My third toon on nostalrius was level 39 a week ago. I played Wow nearly everyday during the months of February and March. My memory of the game is very recent and this has absolutely nothing to do with nostalgia. Vanilla Wow is a much better game.
I thought I wanted to buy Legion, but I don't.
>>334234554
You think it is, but it isn't.
>>334233060
>General
>>>/vg/
>>334233541
J Allen Brack has a whole string of shitty comments and decisions over the past few years, google him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuOYmqSF6OQ
>>334235997
/v/ will do. Thanks for the suggestion though.
Is Overwatch vanilla TF2? Is Blizzard the least consistent company of all time?
>>334233452
if you did, you would have been playing nos already
it was widely popular with 13k people on the server at almost all times
considering the twitter patch was considered a major patch to WoD then legacy servers would take like 200 major patches
and that doesn't work when WoW only has 2 major patches these days
you'd have to combine like 100 expansions worth of major patches to create a legacy server
and thats too many resources diverted from creating store mounts, which each take like 1.5 major patch time already
>>334236362
What makes you think he wasn't playing Nos?
>>334233060
>wanting to pay more money to a company that treats you like trash, mocks you openly and in response to suggestions or criticism has their representative state that they know better than you what is it that you actually want
Smells like Stockholm syndrome to me. Or just being fucking retarded. This shit flies only in videogame industry, nowhere else would it fly - treating your customers this way and getting away with it and getting even more money because spineless mmo addicts keep throwing shekels at them.
>>334233060
>Please tell me where I can pay Blizzard for the opportunity to play vanilla World of Warcraft legitimately.
You cant!
>>334233060
>I'm willing to pay $30 a month
No, you're not.
>"Hey, this free private server with 150,000 (that's 150 thousands!) active users exists! Just think of how many of that whopping number would be willing to pay $15+ a month for it! Why doesn't your business model reflect my wishful thinking yet!?"
And no, I don't think they had any real commercial reason to shut Nostalrius down since those players were never coming back to the retail version anyway, but if you really think they ought to open up a server for the 'we vocally hate the current iteration of the game' contingent, you're shitting yourselves.
>>334236362
Not that guy, but literally the only reason I didn't play Nost was because the DMCA claims taking down streamers on Twitch scared me off. I've still got my character of almost twelve years on the official servers because Blizzard isn't going to take those down any time soon. I didn't want to sink hundreds of hours into a private server just for this exact same thing that happened to happen.
I knew in my heart Nostalrius was gonna get taken down by Blizzard the moment I registered an account. It was getting too popular and Blizzard was either gonna close it to try and retain some players or close it to release their own Legacy servers. It was only a matter of time. Everyone was talking about how great it was, how it all worked, and how Blizzlike it was. Blizzard isn't gonna shut down other bullshit private servers because they're all literally trash. Nost was the only good one and of course it got taken down.
>>334236935
I buy weed from niggers because I love weed. Loving weed doesn't mean I love the niggers I buy it from.
>>334237086
I am.
what's a good alternative to nost that won't be shut down in the foreseeable future?
I just got to 20 on nost before it shut down.
I really just want wow without the quest tracker and dungeonfinder bullshit that killed the community.
Can we ban this shitheel of a developer from this board already? Do it away with Minecraft and MLP shit.
>>334237580
>20
>>334237926
I didn't get to play nost that long. I played retail vanilla and BC though so it's not like I've never played before.
>>334237393
No you're not, you little shit. This entire thread is an obvious framing device to suggest there's a market demand that doesn't exist after Blizzard took your free toy away. Even on the absurdly off-chance you're a real person who's really willing to pay twice retail value for a decade-old game, you're just an anomaly. But no, you're full of shit. Kudos for trying to maintain the act though.
>>334233161
This.
You want to pay for the latest shit Blizzard pushed out of its ass.
>DotA All-stars eclipses Warcraft 3 ladder in popularity, millions of copies of Warcraft 3 are sold just for DotA
>DotA Community: hey Blizzard, do you think maybe we could get some form of integrated client support or even acknowledgement for this map that's taken over the custom game list?
>Blizzard: no
>HoN, LoL and Dota 2 emerge, Blizzard tries to sue Valve for supporting the development of Dota 2
>Blizzard releases Heroes of the Storm to little fanfare
Blizzard absolutely HATES it when their fans outshine them.
>>334238167
Not that dude, but I'd pay a full sub price to play vanilla as it was back then. Easily, without question. With no hesitation I'd set a sub up the very same day they opened the server.
>tfw been on kronos since launch
>and now salty nostbabbies are shitting everything up and bringing their gold farmers and cancer and 600 ping ruskies who think they can tank fury with them
granted, it was cancerous before but goddamn if it aint bad now
>>334238270
I wholeheartedly agree, but I don't see history repeating itself in the same way unless Valve decides to release a World of DotaCraft MMO, that's F2P and supported purely by cosmetics and in-game stream tickets.
>>334238560
Valve takes the opposite approach to Blizzard. When someone makes a popular mod to a Valve game, Valve hires them.
Blizzard shuts them down.
>>334233060
Vanilla WoW was shit
>>334238703
It was and that's part of why it was good.
>>334238686
This is why Valve is god tier and Blizzard is shit tier.
>>334238686
Then Valve calls them an ass and fires them
>>334238686
It would be amazing if Valve hires the Nost guys to make an MMO, but that probably won't happen. Nost guys worked some magic, but it's hard to tell if their work in scripting and server maintenance would transfer to game mechanics dev, art design, etc.
>>334233452
Remember having to find people to dungeon with? remember actually playing the game? yeah that was shit, you want dungeon finder, a feature released in WOTLK, aka 4 expansions ago, thats why we don't have servers on old expansions.
Makes sense right?
>>334238310
I'm sure you're not the only one, but Blizzard's put their foot down on this, not only because it wouldn't be very profitable, but because they'd be catering to people who have become disillusioned with their company. I don't see the point in trying to please ex-fans.And no, don't say it's so they can earn back their fandom. Blizzard knows that it's dead to these people, so fuck 'em.
>>334238824
I don't know why you'd do that.
WoW only really worked because it came along at the right time and had the right features. Simply cloning everything about vanilla WoW doesn't get you anywhere, because people can easily tell what you've done and they'll dislike you for it.
Really MMOs aren't worth all the bullshit unless there is intrinsically player influence on the world. A good example of this is Eve Online.
>>334238945
I know and agree with you. Opening up a legacy server is short sighted and would be disastrous for Blizzard. It would make me happy as fuck and I'm sure a lot of other people feel the same way. But there's no way it could long term be a good thing.
>>334238809
Who gives a fuck about some commentator?
>>334233060
>willing to pay 30$ of a month to the devs who say
>you think you do, but you don't
Have some dignity
>>334239070
relax friend, it was a joke. maybe you remember them from before you started coming to 4chan and became a bitter faggot
>>334238270
that is a neat tiny/mountain giant art
i really prefer the wow-style over the wc3 mountain giant
>>334238686
Since when does a carbon copy of an old version of a game constitute a mod?
>>334238686
Hell even M$ never stooped this low. When Official Halo CE servers shut down, bungie helped fans setup their servers. and when you consider they are still making new halo iterations that you need a subscription to play....
Especially when Halo 5 is actually somewhat similar to halo 1. Makes blizzard look like dogshit/
>>334237313
Exactly. You're a weedhead with no fucking dignity.
>>334233840
Look at osrs servers. I mean the populations of the two games are tiny compared to wow. But the os servers generally have an equal of not higher consistent player count. It may not work for wow but open to the idea of legacy servers
>>334238686
>"The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting anti-piracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates" - Gaben, 2011
>>334237926
Getting to level 20 takes longer than the average game takes to complete you nigger.
>>334239249
>he thinks DotA is mechanically identical to War3
kek
>>334237086
>st think of how many of that whopping number would be willing to pay $15+ a month for it! Why doesn't your business model reflect my wishful thinking yet!?"
okay but lets think about this for a second here. Servers based on more recent expansions actually have LESS players than nost. BY a lot. I know it seems intuitive that more people would pirate a game then buy it. But that's really not the case. Virtual console games get more hits then roms a lot of the time for example. Halo 2 had a lot less players through tungle which is free. then through XBL which cost money when it existed, and ofc online players SPIKED a lot in halo 2 when it was re released on xbox one, again requiring a subscription to play, event through it was free via Tungle and other shit like that.
Private server on X expansion vs private server on Y expansion is the only real comparison you can do.
Private server v.s. retail doesn't work. There are a lot more people who would play on official blizzard servers, that are advertised, just werk, are legit etc.
For the medium of play Nost existed on, it was more popular then any other expansion.
>>334238974
Usually I'd agree with your sentiment but Valve is such a big company I think they can pull it off especially since they own Steam and all that.
>>334239790
I stilll have nightmares about last hitting in wc3. I would go into practice games by myself just to practice last hits for hours
YOU
THINK
YOU
DO
BUT
YOU
DON'T
>>334238945
>but because they'd be catering to people who have become disillusioned with their company. I don't see the point in trying to please ex-fans.
this makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Why would you, as a business, care more about pleasing the fans who stuck with you after shitting on them for years, more then those who left? There is no reason to cater to your base. Current subbers will play regardless. Your EX fans made you serious bank and are customers you can get back, I feel like the people who would have tried WoW have all tried it by now. So your only aim should be to get back people who left, and keep who you have.
I mean in a $ sense why on earth would it be bad to win back old customers?
>>334233840
>After about a month you'll realize that your memory of the game is distorted
Thats fucking dumb.
not him, but I spent literal hundreds and hundreds of hours on WoW. I think I would of noticed somewhere there that it was shit. Im not going to go back and say, oh yeah I forgot the part where this was shit.
>>334233060
Why would you pay for no content at all?
$5 fucking max and past that you are a fool.
Serious question:
I haven't played WoW since Wrathe of the Lich King (2008) and have a lot of nostalgia for the vanilla WoW and Burning crusade.
What happened to in the expansions since that have caused such backlash? Did they implement or remove stuff or did the player base just go to pot?
Seriously, what's the game like now? What changed?
>>334239884
Look, I'm not saying Valve could never make an MMO, I'm just saying that they shouldn't try to make a WoW clone. There's been too many of those and none really work out. WoW was successful because of when it came out, not just what it did.
Let's say, hypothetically, SWTOR came out in 2004 instead of WoW. Then that'd be the popular game, despite its flaws, instead of WoW. Obviously that's an absurd example, but it's my general point. WoW filled a demand at a certain time, and that time has pass and the demand long since filled by numerous games.
So if Valve were to do an MMO, it would have to be very different. I dunno, maybe Prospero might be a good basis for an MMO. But my general point is, it cannot be WoW-like. That niche has been filled and it's pointless to try to refill it, no matter how bad Blizzard has gotten.
The only real way to refill that niche is for Blizzard to have legacy servers. People want the old WoW. They don't want anything other than that.
>>334233060
Nost dev here.
We'll have the server back up but it won't be called Nostalrius and we'll have to really cover our tracks this time. Shame on us for being so open, having a huge site, forums, etc.
>>334240328
Garrisons.
google it.
It's literally a facebook game now.
>>334233060
YOU THINK WE HAVE FORGOTTEN
YOU THINK WE HAVE FORGIVEN
YOU THINK YOU DO BUT YOU DON'T
>>334240328
biggest problem for me is that there is no content outside of one raid because they have 4 raid difficulties and you literally just run the 4 raid difficulties for almost 50 item levels.
>>334238167
Your the same as the "you think you do but you don't" guy. Thinking you know what others want.
>>334240547
YOU DON'T THINK IT BE LIKE IT IS, BUT IT DO.
>Played WoW on and off since BC
>Completely stopped at Cata
>Never actually made it to max level
Closest I ever got was 67 in BC
>>334240478
>>334240627
They can't even get 150,000 signatures on a petition.
I wish blizzard released their sub numbers. So we could post graphs and then look at vanilla wow and say "you think you don't but you do"
Anyway What I really want is just a relaunched progression server. Though Im not sure if Id be as motivated endgame knowing that all my effort would be for nothing in X amount of days.
>>334240843
any regrets?
>>334240894
Will
never
happen
>>334240867
You do know how online petitions work, right?
>>334240458
Googled it.
So they're "home" instances for each individual player? Where are they?
Also... that looks fucking awful.
>>334240867
>signing an online petition
Do you want to get spam?
Cause that's how you get spam.
>>334240576
Essentially a single raid? That sounds pretty lazy.
People keep saying it feels like a different game now. I'm trying to figure out what they men.
>>334240935
I don't give a shit if it's blizzard or someone else, if blizzard rather I do it for free, all the marrier
>>334240925
It makes me feel bad sometimes. The raiding looked pretty fun, but by the time I would do the leveling it got stale. Feels like I had to play a meh game just to get to a different game.
>>334240726
No, I'm saying "You don't think you do, and you don't." I'm not calling him incapable of knowing what he wants, I'm calling him a bullshitter.
>>334240983
Yes, most people spend most there time here.
You send people on missions and it takes real time to do it, kinda like facebook games. Where you just click you go to mission for me, and then wait 13 hours or something. Additionally you can't go into other peoples garrisons so it's antisocial only time you see other players is on the way to the limited number of raids. Just sitting in your garrison, clicking shit, or queuing for something is 90% of gameplay.
additionally there is a cash shop now, cause $15 a month + buying every expansion wasn't enough.
>>334241325
You can go into other peoples garrisons
there is just literally no reason to
>>334240894
We already have enough data. A year ago wow was at 2005 levels of subs. It can only be worse since they stopped. Everyone knows its shriveling up. That's why Blizzard is so hostile about it. They are egomaniacal.
>>334240983
They aren't player owned housing like Runescape. There's no custom built dungeons or fun decoration/house arrangements. That would actually be fun. House parties in Runescape were the funky shit.
Essentially they are the hub for your adventures, and you sit in them, playing commander and "sending troops to missons." i.e. clicking on interfaces like "INVESTIGATE THE MYSTERIOUS RIFT: SEND MILLHOUSE MANASTORM TO THE RIFT. REWARDS: 200G." Nowadays people afk in their garrisons and the only sign of life in the game is when people drop blingotrons (robots like jeeves that instead give daily gifts) where the garrison instancing ends.
>>334241314
I know you were to young to remember in the mid two thousands. But there were people fucking obsessed with WoW. People would literally pay an extra $15 a month and jump through hoops just to have a second account to role the other faction or something. People dedicated their lives, quit their jobs. ETC. So yeah, your an idiot if you wouldn't believe someone wouldn't pay $30 a month just to play WoW.
>>334241469
And really, there's no reason to want to.
You think you want to have a reason, but you don't.
>>334241503
>TFW no MMO ever did player housing correctly.
>>334241631
Hasn't EVE Online, in a certain way?
Maybe it's not "housing," but it did property correctly.
>>334233060
>General
>>>/vg/
>>334241570
this is my favourite meme desu
>>334241314
I don't think you understand just how much people fucking love this game.
>>334241631
Ultima Online
>>334234554
>>I was just playing it a week ago, moron
How when vanilla code has been lost in time like a thief in the night?
>>334241694
IDK I never played eve.
do you mean ships?
>>334241732
You think that this is your favorite meme, but it isn't.
And you think I'm running this into the ground, but I'm not.
>>334233060
>$30 a month
Fuck off shill.
>>334233161
I like how he was such a fucking shithead about it too
Consider yourself lucky that Blizzard protects you from what you think you want. Jagex listened and what a shit show that turned out to be.
>>334241793
No, I'm talking about how actual locations in the EVE Online universe belong to certain corporations and there are wars over that territory.
So maybe it isn't "housing" insofar as a room that you fill with virtual shit, but it's an area you know and operate out of for long enough to be willing to spend a considerable amount of time and money to keep out of someone else's hands.
>>334240328
>>334240458
>>334240576
>>334241325
>>334241503
Thanks for answering my questions.
I also found this thread:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15161889955
That all sounds terrible. I can see why people are saying it's a different game now.
That's really disappointing, No wonder their sub-numbers started tanking so hard they stopped reporting them.
>>334240867
They're almost at 100,000 for a fucking Change.org petition. Government Legislation has passed with less.
>>334240328
Talent trees gone, most abilities gone, all of eastern kingdom/kalimdor changed, dungeons are designed so you can't die and are just there to be 5-10 minute linear corridor zergs, less raids/raid bosses, less dungeons, imbalanced pvp, lack of new pvp maps, class homogenization, dungeon/raid finder automatically matching you with other players from across various realms so there's 0 reason to talk to anyone, world mobs die in 2 seconds so 0 reason to ever group up with strangers, garrisons (facebook minigame) killing off the remaining social aspects of the game + dealing the final blow to professions/auctioneering, raids split into 4 difficulties now which makes it feel grindier, warforged loot increasing rng element, dailies currently very poorly designed, RPM so gameplay is extremely proc based right now resulting in MUCH less control of dps/hps, lots store mounts/pets for money some of which should have been in the base game, blizzard selling level boosts and gold.
I've probably forgotten a few but there. There have been positive changes as well, but overall the changes have been very negative.
>>334241512
You might try typing like an adult if you'd like to convince me you were over 10 in 2004.
And there's no way that OP wasn't being completely disingenuous acting like he's really looking to pay patronage to Blizzard. Look at the name of the thread.
>>334241850
This. I don't get how he didn't get booed.
I mean Jesus even if you don't care about previous expansion based servers you gotta admit he's a dick.
Like I don't give a shit about Jak and Daxter, but if someone went to a Naughty Dog Q and A and asked about a future release or ps4 port or something, and they answered "Fuck you, Jak and daxter is shit, I know you think you like it, but you don't it's terrible, remember this thing you like about it? yeah thats shit, your glad you have uncharted now instead, fuck you"
I'd probably boo the fucker.
>>334241631
I think the most important part of player housing is building a cool home, not having a distinct piece of property on the map, so Runescape's was pretty good. Unfortunately, it was attached to the game known as Runescape. Carving property on the map also wouldn't work well for basically all games. It doesn't scale well.
>>334241793
He's talking about corporations being able to own a part of the sector and build a base with factories and shit on it. I don't think it counts since it doesn't have that personal feeling. You don't own it, the corp does.
>>334233060
The demand is definitely there. That is undeniable, otherwise Blizzard wouldn't have felt threatened by Nostalrius. However, there is still a list of reasons why Blizzard is reluctant to do it.
1. Old WoW was made by an older dev team. Some of these people have since left the company, and aren't very popular with the people who stayed. Releasing a vanilla server would be like admitting that those old disgraced devs were more talented.
2. If the Vanilla server is popular, Blizzard loses their expansion box sales. They make a shit load of money from people initially buying the new expansions. If Vanilla becomes the most popular version of the game, they stand to lose a lot of expansion sales.
3. If people are happier with vanilla, The roles of the devs, and especially the lead designer, become far less prestigious. Right now they can say that they work on the most popular MMO in the world. Why would they want to give their customers the chance to choose between the product they created and the product their predecessors created? They'd risk humiliating themselves.
It's likely that the only way we'll see Legacy servers is if expansion sales and subs drop to critical levels and they give up on releasing new expansions. That would nullify the box sale loss, and the risk to the dev team's pride because most of the dev team would either be reassigned or fired by that point.
>>334242036
>people don't buy products from companies they don't like
>meanwhile EA was rated most hated company in america two years in a row.
So I imagine they are filing bankruptcy?
Also it's an image board. Not a fucking cover letter. Deal with it.
>>334234631
/thread
>you will never experience the magic of discovering World of Warcraft for the first time again
>now it's all piss easy yet absurdly long farming
>feels like most of the comfy atmosphere is gone
>want to sub once more, but know it's a trap
Goddamn I miss exploring Mulgore and the Barrens with my very first character so much. I miss shitting myself over dropping a green item.
Fuck.
>>334242026
Jesus fucking Christ. You serious?
How do talents work without trees? What replaced them? How do you customize your character?
How can you not die in a dungeon? Do you respawn or something?
All of this sounds terrible!
>played on a private server during TBC that was the retail game but less optimized
>Blizzard did nothing about
>private server comes along that actually functions properly and has a huge playerbase
>Blizz shuts it down
Not a coincidence. Retail is going down the toilet now and Nost was a threat.
Blizzard is a company that has no real competition for the past 15 years. They won't make WoW better because they don't need to. Faggots will pay for the game and the expansions regardless of how shit they are.
The ironic thing is that Blizzards first actual competition in years was a 10 year old version of the very same game.
>>334242134
sounds cool desu.
Aren't corps just player groups anyway?
and yeah I agree on runescape, but again it's fucking runescape.
imagine that level of custom home in WoW. ANd then like giant castles for guilds. That actually had functionality.
>>334238270
>blizz cucked themselves out of DotA
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>>334242486
>Not a coincidence.
No fucking shit. Why would they waste their time taking down servers with 200 people?
>>334242625
>Why would they waste their time taking down servers with 200 people?
Well obviously they wouldn't shut down retail...
>>334242417
You get 3 talent choices every 15 levels. This is outdate but I just pulled this from Google.
Trees look like this now. Most early talents are just mobility related and are mainly pvp focused. The early shadow priest talents are boring as sin
>>334242319
They don't, and EA's continued profits don't contradict that.
>>334242353
I remember the first character I made was on a pvp server
exploring the world was all the more exciting
>>334242206
>Old WoW was made by an older dev team
im sure their new team is competent enough to pull it off
a bunch of volunteers made it happen with nost
and they were willing enough to share their work and make the source could available for everyone else
they need a competent designer to not fuck it up though
>If the Vanilla server is popular, Blizzard loses their expansion box sales
debatable
people who play vanilla arent even going to bother with the new expacs anyway
same talk when it comes to piracy
> If people are happier with vanilla, The roles of the devs, and especially the lead designer, become far less prestigious
the moment that blizzard doesnt need any lead designers is the moment they wont need people to work on new expacs,
its going to peak eventually then theyll probably decide that their old content can be worth reselling
>>334242417
At level 15/30/45/60/75/90/100 each class can pick one talent out of 3.
I guess it's not gone completely, but it's a shadow of what it once was. Changed to eliminate "cookie cutter" builds even though right now people still all use a "cookie cutter" build for raiding or pvp...just with less options.
>>334240328
>What happened to in the expansions since that have caused such backlash? Did they implement or remove stuff or did the player base just go to pot?
Did you ever play UO or SWG or any of the "world" games as opposed to "themepark" model of WoW?
Well, the old WoW is a "world" game compared to new WoW, which is basically a solo lobby for minigames where you never have to interact with anyone ever and the entire world is completely empty and you just basically play a facebook/mobile game every day and log out.
>>334234068
Blizzard plz go.
>>334242749
Just saying the truth doesn't contradict your statement doesn't make it so.
People used to hate the fuck out of EA, and still buy their games. Same can be said about Ubisoft really. Im guilty of it as well. I fucking hate uplay, but I mean the Crew is really good...
Some people may hate blizzard, but WoW sure as fuck is a drug.
>>334240328
Story-wise? Blizzard tried to tell their original stories and they're not good. Basically, vanilla and first two expansions have such appeal for people because they're still clearly tied to WC3 so it feel familiar. They also used an old existing character in Cata, but they mishandled Deathwing so badly he might as well have been any other generic evil dragon in the end.
>>334242206
>2. If the Vanilla server is popular, Blizzard loses their expansion box sales.
This. If Blizzard ever releases vanilla servers they will probably require you to buy an expansion to get access
>>334234068
>You'll like it
You think you like it, but you don't
>>334240402
What will you do about the China issue?
>>334242417
You don't die in a dungeon because the game is piss easy. I leveled a character to 70 soloing dungeons, only when the game reached 70 did soloing become not possible.
Talents are no longer trees, but you choose one of 3 abilities every 15 or so levels. Speccing is now selecting a role at lv 15, e.g. holy vs protection vs retribution, instead of shooting for certain abilities, like divine illumination or holy shield. Selecting these roles drastically changes what abilities you have access to. For example, "arcane" mages do not learn frostbolt ever and "frost" mages never ever learn fireball.
Oh yeah in addition to the abilities you have getting neutered that way, Blizzard recently homogenized all the classes, and removed all the "useless" situational abilities. Now every class has one buff and every class has an interrupt and every class has CC. They're going to remove even more abilities in legion.
>>334242353
I miss talking to strangers and grouping up with a rando to level.
I miss being intimidated by Deadwind pass.
I'll never feel the awe of stepping onto the Hellfire Peninsula for the first time again.
>>334242746
>A Murder of Crows
Shit. Take barrage.
>>334242973
that's fine. Require legion to play vanilla, problem solved.
Maybe use current expansion textures. and then frame that as the excuse.
>>334242869
>debatable
>people who play vanilla arent even going to bother with the new expacs anyway
>same talk when it comes to piracy
So why go back to blizzard and pay for a vanilla server when you can go to the next popular private server and pay nothing?
>>334242878
its less or the removal of min-maxing imo
instead of investing certain points on getting +5% X bonus vs something like +3% X bonus and +2% Y bonus
youre basically getting X or Y that you can interchange with dust
and the bonuses are situational in most cases like when you either want more aoe damage or more single target damage
>>334242746
Wow. That looks stupid. As in... it was designed for people who are stupid.
So, it sounds like most of the changes were to a make the game simpler and easier. Is that correct?If so, that explains why their numbers are falling. Where's the challenge?
>>334242887
>still have old guildmates on my battle.net friends list
>all but one of them has quit
>whenever I log in to hearthstone, I see that one WoW player is always in his "garrison"
Oh, so that's what that is.
>>334243017
Oh yeah soloing level 70 dungeons probably would have been possible if I had "heirlooms," items that cost a lot of gold that you can mail to your alts. They are essentially purples with scaling stats up to level 90.
>>334242134
>>I think the most important part of player housing is building a cool home,
Rift did this really well. Too bad they ruined it with "microtransactions" aka gambling rmt jew shit.
>>334242417
>How can you not die in a dungeon? Do you respawn or something?
Leveling dungeons (i.e. every dungeon before max level) have been tuned down. Player stats have been tuned up. And everyone leveling an alt wears heirloom (gear that scales with your level so it's nearly always best in slot until max-level).
>>334243207
>were to a make the game simpler and easier
They were to "streamline" the game and be "more efficient" so in translation yes.
People claim there's more variation in these talents than old Vanilla talents but I've seen more discussion about Vanilla warrior builds than any modern spec
>>334243132
id argue that youre paying for certain services with a sub
you get better (more or less) customer service, your account has access to more safeguarding and rollbacks whenever needed
and youre not at risk of losing your account when the server drama happens
*cough* moltenwow *cough*
Do you think WoW could get more numbers if they dropped the subscription model?
>>334243207
This talent tree style is the same way in Diablo 3 and HoTS, too. It's just what Blizzard thinks appeals to the lowest common denominator, nowadays, since that's what they think of their players.
Just like what they're saying about you think you do, but you don't. Blizzard knows best.
>>334243303
>I've seen more discussion about Vanilla warrior builds than any modern spec
That's because Blizzard has actively made the talents not fucking matter. By design you can pick any fucking talent you want and your effectiveness won't change much. When WoD was being developed, they changed talents saying "this line of talents matters too much." For example, I remember they changed the mage bomb talents because the bombs were too impactful on mage playstyle in Blizzard's opinion.
>>334243453
I think the only people who still want to play WoW are the people still playing WoW
>>334242959
> Blizzard tried to tell their original stories and they're not good.
weirdest part is it's still literally the same team and same lead writer. they just went to shit.
>pay for sub with gold
>doing timewalking dungeons today for weekly quest
>tanking so I can queue faster
>watching healers just stand there while I get pummeled to death
>watching a resto shaman cast chain heal to heal a single target
>people won't CC stuff I mark
>people dying to obvious telegraphed stuff like the worm in Stonecore or the first boss of Grim Batol charging then typing WTF
>dps is so pitiful that bosses take forever
>I just queue as dps so I can nuke bosses and carry people
The Cata heroics were too good for their own good. They actually had mechanics.
They've effectively ruined their game for new players and created a new generation of lazy uneducated shits.
>>334243547
It's always been shit.
>>334243132
There were times when private servers were very close to retail, but people still would rather not. I can't explain it. but it's the same reason people buy single player games instead of pirate I guess. I remember I have a friend obsessed with WOTLK who still plays I think, anyway I asked him to play molten with me and we was just like "yeah but private server."
>>334242353
If you ever resub, try out the undead questline. 1-30 is pretty fun. Closest to comfy atmosphere I've played in WoW for a while.
>>334243510
>every MM hunter took Lone Wolf because they other options were garbage
>Blizzard's take on this was to just make Lone Wolf staple for MM and remove pets from their gameplay completely
>Survival is now melee and essentially just a reference to the melee hunter meme from Vanilla
>only true hunter spec left now is Beast Mastery
>>334242973
im sure thats fine
if they need to reopen servers or go through loops
im expecting them to be a jew about it
and depending on the situation thats probably going to be a bonus to some people if they plan to pair it with legion
you get a new expac and vanilla
but i dont expect them to be that atruistic when the time comes
>>334243207
There is still challenge, but it only exists in the form of Mythic (the highest of the 4 difficulties) raiding.
But that's obviously not enough for most people to justify $15 a month.
>>334243789
>reference to the melee hunter meme from Vanilla
In Blizzard's defense, Rexxar is a hunter and only uses bows in Hearthstone. He uses axes in WC3.
>>334242959
>Basically, vanilla and first two expansions have such appeal for people because they're still clearly tied to WC3 so it feel familiar
Vanilla, TBC and to an extent Wotlk worked because there was almost literally no story.
Vanilla is just a bunch of random quest chains that culminate in raids eventually. And that's honestly a fine way of handling an mmo story.
Doing a WC3 style campaign for an mmo doesn't work because you have thousands of player characters
Imagine how colossally shit raids like BWL or Zulaman would have been if there had been some kind of campaign storyline leading up to them and the raids had cutscenes/scripted events with npcs at the helm?
This shit destroys the flow of the game
>>334238824
The dudes that hosted Nost couldn't make an MMO, private server shit for WoW almost runs itself. All it needs is some minor tweaks here and there, but they do not posses the skills to create their own MMO.
>>334243696
> Decide to try out worgens becauseI'm a furfag
> Level up from 1 to 40 ,feel like discovering a new game because I never made an Alliance character
> Was high on acid the whole time
This, with the very first character I created, were the best experience I had with WoW.
>>334241783
...
>>334243696
>get to Brill
>old comfy brill was torn down and replaced with Gothic cathedrals
I played Horde for 10 years and they ruined them in Cata
>>334243982
>high the whole time
I feel like this is mainly why.
>>334243982
I know the feeling, played a lot of Alliance before. Decided to try out undead, it was comfy. The sad thing is that it will all be the same shit in the endgame, but at least we had levels 1-40. ;_;
itt: we try and list actual good things to come to WoW since Cata.
Worgens, Transmogs.
Im out already.
Anybody?
>>334244015
The storyline if fun though, but I agree that they went too retard with the gothic theme.
My favorite quest is the one where you're the questgiver. Fine change of pace.
>>334243789
i guess people wanted pet/melee like unholy dks but didnt like the dk class overall
>>334243952
>uses bows in Hearthstone
yeah what is up with that shit
you see him in desolace or in blade's edge in wow and hes wearing 2 axes
suddenly bows
was nobody else a better candidate to be the hunter in HS?
>>334243602
The vanilla Eastern and Western Plaguelands stuff was pretty good.
>>334244113
green shortstack porn
>>334244129
fucking vanilla, man
>tiny ass 4:3 resolution
>let's cram more shit around the edges so it seems even smaller
>>334237086
>the opportunity to tell blizzard's entire playerbase and the players of all their other games about a legacy server, as well as former paying customers that they still have the emails of and literally every site that they already advertise on
>comparing this to the playerbase of a private server that, for their own good, could only get its advertising done through word of mouth and private server listings
information flow is important whenever we're talking about this sort of thing and if you don't realize this you're either shitposting or haven't actually thought about it past the minimum amount of effort that a shitposter would give anyway
For nostalgia purposes, here's a thorough review of WoW written in 2005
http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/wow/index.html
>played EQ
>never got to play Classic WoW
>finally got to with Nost
I liked it. Basically EQ but a bit easier. The people who made it clearly wanted to make an rpg first and a balanced game second.
So many decisions were made to accommodate lore/rpg elements rather than just balance or player convenience. Its why Undead are stronger as Shadow spec and why Paladin spells like Exorcism only work on demons or undead.
Playing retail now and the classes all seem dull and sterile. There's not much now that makes them unique from another melee dps aside from the armor and weapons they use.
Their buffs don't really matter because they overlap with other class specs buffs. They don't have DI anymore, paladin tanks aoe abilities don't matter because other tanks can aoe tank just as well and most of the healing spells are restricted to holy. Paladins basically had all their lore and class identity stripped from them.
Doing those paladin class quests on Nost where I had to protect a woman from thieves and revive a fallen comrade to get my resurrection spell made me feel like a paladin
This is technically "balanced' but it makes for a boring dull rpg.
>>334244126
Rexxar is the OG hunter though. His expansion was essentially a WoW prototype. I guess they gave Rexxar bows because hunter = bows in most people's eyes.
>>334244284
This.
I literally never heard of Nost till it was shut down, and I've played private servers in the past. Now how would nonpirate/private server fags know or gain interest in Nost. Hype is everything, why do you think Ubisoft sells so god damn well?
Do RuneScape's old school servers have a population?
If so, why wouldn't it work for WoW?
>>334244126
>was nobody else a better candidate to be the hunter in HS?
Name an important hunter in WoW lore that isn't alleria or Nathanos Blightcaller. There's your answer
Legacy servers WILL happen in the far, far future, after the last xpac for WoW is released, and Blizzard wants to milk the last they can out of WoW. Just brace yourselves for that. Give it 10 years.
>>334244461
Oldschool runescape servers actually have more players than the current game.
>>334244461
RS3 player here, I can reliably say that the Runescape population is pretty equally split between RS3 and OSRS.
>>334244461
Jagex made classic servers because the new Runescape they made was utter garbage and no one liked it.
Not the case with WoW. Despite how shit retail is, its still got mongoloids playing it
>>334244479
Sylvanas? It would make more sense since she uses a bow and such.
>>334239210
that """"joke"""" didn't even make any sense. get better bants.
>>334234068
>You'll like it if you just give it a chance.
About 11 million people thought they'd like it, but it a lot of them don't.
>>334244479
Green Hills of Stranglethorn Dwarf. Fuck. I guess I lose since that isn't his name.
>You think you do, but you don't.
Is this the new Toddposting?
>>334244558
>Jagex made classic servers because the new Runescape they made was utter garbage and no one liked it.
Ah okay. Totally different. The Key word is in "knew."
>>334244531
No. You think they do, but they don't.
>>334244528
10 years?
they can pull off vanilla servers in a week
and im sure the garrison missions v2.0 arent saving them subs
>>334244641
Hemmet Nessingwary
I got you senpai
>>334244606
I found it funny.
Fuck you.
>>334244685
>they can pull off vanilla servers in a week
You know that's not actually going to happen, though. Blizzard will just wait for this legacy server hype to die out and move on. It will happen though.
>>334234068
> paying a monthly fee for the privelige of playing a game that isn't even worthy of being called a turd....
>>334244113
>Transmogs
No. These people can't even dress themselves properly, and now you give them 14 slots to equip their PC with?
90% of them look like ass (or are slutmogs), 5% look mediocre, 3% look decent, and 2% look good.
>>334244674
You think it is, but it's not.
Anybody else really want legacy servers because they missed out on a lot of the content of classic WoW and want a chance to experience it?
>>334244674
See that mountain?
You think you want to climb that mountain, but you don't.
>>334244113
MoP
>>334244461
Yeah, higher than the main game if I remember correctly.
>>334244848
Give me specifics anon.
>>334244713
hemmet is very close to being a hunter
he doesnt tame them like rexxar though
>>334244568
i think shes more of a ranger/dark ranger
RuneScape is shutting down the osrs servers due to lack of interest.
Turns out people don't like playing stagnant MMOs with no future content, who knew?
Daily reminder that there will never be another raid trailer better than Gods of Zul'Aman and that Zul'jin did nothing wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmndxoF74qQ
>>334244806
I want them back because all MMOs now have almost no community, since 90% of them have a dungeon-finder or something similar.
I'd even play up to Mists if they didn't have the fucking dungeon/raid-finders.
>>334244934
You think you don't, but you do.
Also No they aren't you faggot.
World of Warcraft is pure shit, I want the old Warcraft games back, why can't you stupid fucks just let it die?
>>334244897
The isles
PokemonThe new talent system
>>334244743
But that just makes your character look more badass in comparison.
>>334245030
because it makes money even when theyre losing subs
>>334233541
He's right though, WoW players, mmo players, videogames players in general, don't know what they want.
>>334244934
there's actually slightly more people on OSRS than RS3 right now
>>334245162
And neither does Blizzard.
I wonder if Hearthstone is making more money than WoW yet
>>334245304
im sure the income from wow is more reliable
despite the loss of subs
>>334233060
>People are still bitching about this
Just let it go already, Your special snowflake server is not coming back.
Vanilla was garbage compared to the next two expansions anyway.
>>334244113
Reforging, Goblins, Brawler's Guild, Scenarios, Challenge Mode.
That's about it unfortunately.
>>334245446
>Scenarios
nah
334245359
Your baitfu is weak, it is not even worth giving you a (You).
>>334245446
I thought MoP was actually a pretty good xpac.... It's just unfortunate that for all of the great things it did it came right after the (second) worst expansion ever and carried all the bad things from it with it.
Farming was comfy and the asian themed continent was actually an interesting place to explore (I loved all the Mantid themed stuff in particular)
>>334244806
Yes. I was mad at how garbage Naxx 2.0 was so I was unsubbed during Ulduar. I've regretted it ever since.
I want to do Zul'Gurub and Zul'Aman all over again too.
>>334245527
I played wow from 2005 up till shortly before the siege of Orgrimmar patch in MoP and I can honestly say I would not want to go back to vanilla.
Would I go back to Wotlk? Maybe
BC? Hell yes.....but vanilla was a badly balanced shitfest that I can't justify wanting back after how perfect BC was.
Class balance was a fucking joke and 40 man raids (while fun as hell) were a nightmare to organize from an officer perspective (it was usually about 22-25 competent people and a bunch of chimps who didn't know fire burned....which made the 25 man size a godsend).
It was fun, I have fond memories of it, but it was nothing close to a well designed game....BC literally fixed everything I hated about it and then some....and while Wotlk introduced some controversial things (and arguable one of the worst filler raid tiers ever) it improved upon what was good from BC even further. People who want Vanilla back are just being hipsters.
>>334245162
Yeah but in this specific case we do.
Random Complaint about WoW in General.
Why didn't they scale dungeons instead of making them useless?
like grinding the extra 10 levels each expansion was sometimes fun, but not enough to justify making all your gameplay of previous expansions effectively useless. Why didn't they just make dungeons scale after each other instead? e.g. Cataclysm launches, and ICC is still relelvant cause you need tier 10 to do the dungeons, you can't level up instead. Tier 10 HC infact is sometimes better, etc. so a new player would still have to grind out all the old endgame raids.
Or why not just make them still relevant and instead scale them to meet new endgame level and gear?
>>334245954
In this specific case you're so displeased by the current state of the game that you just want to go back to a clean slate. You're willing to ignore the fact that bare bones WoW was fucking terrible compared to the expansion that directly followed it because you're willing to cut off your arm to spite your hand.
>>334245869
>I would not want to go back to vanilla.
You think you don't but you do.
Shutting down now made sense because now they need to play retail which just added 800k players to their user base.
It's called business you fucking dumb fucks. "Let's let people pirate the game, that's brilliant".
Nos should have been sued to set an example for people who treat software as bullshit they can pass around with consequences.
WoW is still there, just because your free game is gone doesn't mean you can't play WoW idiots.
As an Alliance player I would love to cheer for a character that in my faction that isn't a reactive leader.
I want to follow Genn as he leads an expedition to re-conquer Gilneas (or at least Southern Arathi, perhaps renaming Stromgarde as New Gilneas City.)
I want to follow a badass Night Elf as she and the allied Worgen forces push the remnants of Garrosh's forces out of Ashenvale, and see the druids heal it.
I want to quest with the Westfall Brigade as they secure that region once and fall all, and clean up the final traces of the gnolls and Delfias, following the death of Vanessa Vancleef in Cataclysm.
I want to follow a badass Draenei character who won't be killed off or be forgotten on Neo-Draenor.
I want to fight alongside the Deathknight Admiral Taylor in service to the Alliance.
Etc. What the hell is wrong with the writers, why are they making my faction so god damn reactive (for no reason!). Why destroy Theramore to give Jaina character development, only to do jack shit with Jaina, minus a Dalaran storyline that goes nowhere?
>>334246090
>Three tank specs
>Only one of them is allowed to tank
>Three hybrid classes
>They have one healing spec, they're healers
If you badly balanced shit then go play everquest.
>>334246023
Because lol no new raid only old ones scaled is perfect for a lazy expansion and it will happen sooner or later.
We have timewalking instances though.
>>334246079
The guy asking the question literally said "previous expansions"
For all they knew He could of wanted fucking Cataclysm servers.
>>334245869
All shitposts aside this is mostly true, but I think you would get best of both worlds with progression servers.
Also I would love to play a 40 man raid with a better monitor and 60fps.
>>334245446
>reforging removed from game
>blizzard STILL creates crit int mail
COME THE FUCK ON
>>334246118
0/10, not even remotely convincing.
>>334246196
>You're willing to ignore the fact that bare bones WoW was fucking terrible compared to the expansion that directly followed it
subjective
>>334246118
3/10 you tried.
But
>they need to play retail which just added 800k players to their user base.
Gave it away, way too soon.
>>334246258
well, he's kinda right, people were basically pirating the game and playing for free
>>334246118
Not a single person that left Nost went to retail. Over 100 people THAT I'VE SEEN had even refunded legion. You are lacking some serious critical thinking skills there.
>>334246309
It makes perfect sense. If you really piss off a bunch of people they'll start paying you every month to do something they don't want to do.
>>334246172
Blame it all on Furor because of EQ's balancing.
>>334246350
It would be pirating if it was the same game. Garrison simulator isn't the same as the game when it first came out.
>>334239565
>thank you for the great service fatty. But I'm still pirating games
>>334246172
Tbh I would have tried EQ2 when it first came out if the character models weren't so repulsive
Meanwhile at blizzard headquarters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znobaqshbsg
>>334233452
No, you don't.
Vanilla WoW nostalgiafags baffle me. WoW was never a good game at any point in time, the game you worship and hate Blizzards for casualizing was the fucking poster child for shit casualized MMOs back during the so called golden age of vanilla that you all cherish so much. I've never understood the fascination post-2007 /v/ has with this shit game, and why 99% of the complaints you post about modern WoW are about QoL features like flying/fast travel and group finders. Surely there's worse things Blizzard has done to the game that don't involve removing the need to stand outside of a dungeon spamming LFG all day.
>>334246134
The problem is that there is no reason for the Alliance to not completely wipe out the horde. The Nelves should have the control of everything north of Orgrimmar, which should be under constant siege, and the Barrens, because who is going to stop them?
>>334246309
>you tried
No I didn't.
>>334234068
t.metzen
>>334246618
>The problem is that there is no reason for the Alliance to not completely wipe out the horde.
It would be to costy to do something like that and in the end it wouldn't be worth it.
>>334246610
>the game you worship and hate Blizzards for casualizing was the fucking poster child for shit casualized MMOs back during the so called golden age of vanilla that you all cherish so much.
Absolutely correct. And it's still better than any MMO released since. Isn't that a sad state of affairs?
I'd obviously rather play something like SWG with 15k people online but SWGEmu doesn't even have JtL yet and the playerbase is tiny, so this was the next best thing.
>>334246293
I was a shaman for all of vanilla wow. I loved enhancement leveling up and wanted nothing more than to crush stuff with lightning infused hammer and watch windfury crit the shit out of things. I'll never forget when I got that lvl 30 ish axe from RFK and saw my first 4 digit crit...it was amazing.
And then I hit 60 and the crushing reality that I either had to become a dedicated healbot or reroll hit me like a ton of bricks. It was like spending hours baking an amazing cake, sitting down to eat your awesome cake, and then get told you aren't allowed to eat that cake...cake was reserved for the other classes.....you just got to bake it and watch them enjoy it.
Then BC comes along and suddenly every spec is viable. I got to eat my cake....it was delicious. I don't want to go back to watching everyone else enjoy cake while I press healing wave like a moron, fuck that.
On a side note I later made a disc priest and that was actually a fun healer to play.
>>334246172
>Three tank specs
>Only one of them is allowed to tank
>drinking the minmaxer's cock flavored koolaid
Nigga palatanks got by just fine.
>inb4 but raids
Palatanking could happen with raids, most groups just weren't willing. The lack of a taunt wasn't that bad because blessing of protection. Additional paladins in the raid, which you'd want anyway, would allow for more frequent switching.
I never saw too many druid tanks, but I think there were some people that were into it.
>>334246610
>are about QoL features like flying/fast travel and group finders
You probably would understand too if your superhardcore top tier MMOs had a quality overworld and community.
It was actually crazy fun traversing WoW. It may not have been super hardcore but it blended an amazing immersive experience with proper MMO gameplay. something never achieved before.
Morrowind was out and it was super immersive, EQ was out and was uhh an MMO I guess. But WoW did both seemlessly, you could enoy the immersive world and lore with your friends with random people with busy bustling cities, travel to a dungeon and then still play an MMO.
>>334246618
Gotta fresh canister of ultraplague waiting right here for you to try, bitchboy.
>>334242746
Holy fuck even the names of the abilities are completely uninspired. Blizz is officially creatively dead.
Didn't OSRS flop or something? I remember Jagex charged extra to use it because of the server cost.
>>334246714
kek.
>>334246810
Blizzard didn't itemize for that though. You had extremely limited options available to you if you wanted to raid gear a paladin or druid tank, and lets be honest, unless you were in that one progressive guild that let a lucky fucker be a shadow priest you were never not healing as a class that could heal or tanking as anything but a warrior.
It was the fault of bad game design...players just enforced it because the game told them to.
>>334246878
The Forsaken would give 0 shit about the orcs, and could easily accept to not intervene if the Nelves accept to not help the rest of the alliance against the forsaken.
>>334246749
enhance shamans had to either healbot for raids to get the enhancement set from AQ40 + a good 2h, or grind pvp for the R14 set and weapons (along with warsong, arathi, and alterac rep gear to tide your grind to r14 over).
As far as I am aware, 2h shaman during BC was not as viable as dualwielding shamans, which killed it for me because I felt like a rogue with frostshock and no stealth.
>>334246186
>Because lol no new raid only old ones scaled is perfect for a lazy expansion and it will happen sooner or later.
No but this has been the case since BC and they were not creatively bankrupt yet then. I meant like as well as new content. The new content adds on to old endgame rather than replacing it thats all.
>>334242086
>I don't get how he didn't get booed.
if you listen carefully, you can hear some people boo
>>334243461
>Diablo 3
Good thing I never bought that shit. I have a fucking boner for talent trees and I don't even care if it's something like the Crystarium from FFXIII. Blizzard's removal of the talent trees from WoW and Diablo is a disgrace.
>>334246986
>2h shaman during BC was not as viable as dualwielding shamans,
Sadly it wasn't, dualwielding was plain better. Though my only problem with new shamans is that there are not enough totems and there is no choice about them,
>just reported playtbc stream to twitch and server to blizzard
Feels good man. Enjoy broadcasting your private server to the public and getting it shutdown.
>>334245446
>5 good things since Cata
>4 of them are no longer in the game
kek
>>334247093
>blizzard caring about dead servers
>tfw Disc priest for life and people always marvelled at how odd the spec was
>Tfw popping an instant cast crit heal and then empowering the balance druid
>Tfw he becomes addicted to becoming MEGA MOONKIN and he rolls off with the mage for the cooldown
>>334244239
>not going for total immersion with 1024x768 on a shitty crt you used in 2004.
>>334246986
some enh got a worldbreaker because no one else wanted it, when the stars aligned he'd just delete people
>>334241898
Osrs is amazing and has the same number of players of not more.
>>334247037
>The new content adds on to old endgame rather than replacing it thats all.
It's not feasible. because it would be a pain in the ass for them to control and balance every raid. Too much work for little gain.
>>334247139
>firemage yelled at me for giving him Power Infusion because he was scared of threat
Fine, no more for you Losec.
>>334244239
fucking retail man
>huge ass resolution where screen is zoomed out so I can't see shit
>despite having decent fps tanks in some areas
>>334247093
What in the good fuck is that UI, People don't seriously need all that shit on the screen do they?
>>334247187
How is that a lot of work at all? They would just need to fix scaling algorithms to not be completely fucking retarded
>>334246610
>removing things from mmo that makes it mmo in the first place
Only reason wow is still multiplayer is so blizzard can collect their 30$ every month from their drones afking in garrisons
>>334247187
idk, if you didn't add 10 levels, balancing shouldn't be much of an issue. Especially if you just leave talent trees as is save and except for balancing, and such. Then you'd only have to take in new classes, which haven't existed since WOTLK.
>>334247274
>fucking up the threat charts
>>334244239
Wasn't 4:3 still the standard when Vanilla was out? And you could zoom the UI if you wanted.
>>334247274
>Mage has no idea what to do
>panicks and starts arcane blasting right in the middle of the mob pull
>Tank is screaming in chat
>Mage is screaming
>im bubbling and healing as fast as i can
>warlock quietly asks me to just buff him from now on
>>334246986
The set from AQ40 wasn't even balanced properly.... Yes it had DPS stats but it was all over the place between enhancement and elemental. My guild didn't even let shaman's pick those tokens up because it was better served going to one of the other classes that could use them.
The fact that core set gear for hybrid specs didn't exist outside of peacemealing off set items or the AQ gear (which was not that great) goes to show that Blizzard just did not give a fuck till BC rolled around and had hybrid tier sets.
I remember the two times we saw dark edge of insanity drop and I bid on it and just got laughed at......that shit was not taken seriously at all in vanilla.
>>334247087
I didn't care....DW was fun as hell. I loved playing the spec in Wotlk when they introduced the instant lightning bolt mechanic and the offhand fire attack (I forget the name).
>>334247154
I would love to meet this lucky guy. The only enhancement weapon I ever got was the hammer that Skeram dropped and that was just because it was "disenchant fodder" and everyone thought it was a joke item.
>>334247308
You'd be surprised...
>>334247187
just slap timewalking scaling on everything but never as well rewarding as current content, problem solved
Modern RuneScape is like vanilla WoW if not better. Try that out if you want.
>>334246940
Honestly, it wasn't the gear, it was the taunt.
The fucking taunt was too easy, and it became a meme. People didn't know how to threat without the taunt. Any paladin who leveled as prot will tell you that bop is your taunt, just a bit weirder to use. But no, even when leveling, I'd get shit constantly.
>lol paladin tank for scarlet monestary
>haha noob u dunt have taunt
>oshit that was a smooth run wow u are pretty good too bad you dunt play warrior
One word dismissal, a fucking obnoxious meme.
>>334247308
no lol. He's deliberately putting on as many obnoxious features as possible.
>>334247329
>>334247348
>>334247457
Each expansion add or remove spells, you need to keep that in mind when balancing, Timwalking is a single week with only instances, you can ignore things like this, not in raids and not if you make it permanent.
>>334247507
Which is why I think BC is the best wow ever was....it fixed all of that crap and then some.
The first time I ever did Karazhan I had a pally main tank it. It was a sight to behold how effortless that shield throwing attack made it look.
>>334247563
>every expansion adds or removes spells
But no bosses have really changed significantly because of that. The only mechanical change of note was the change to dispells.
No boss in this game needs specific spells to be dealt with
>>334239565
Ironic.
>>334247507
>remember when hunters had a melee spec XD
My favorite epic Vanilla meme.
There were no melee hunters in Vanilla. Period. Survival was an abysmal spec focused around traps. The only good talents in it were the top 2 that increased damage against mob types.
It makes me so fucking mad
>>334247308
>He doesn't have Marcus giving him intel on current state of his gear's durability at all times
How
Pleb
>>334247736
>There were no melee hunters in Vanilla. Period. Survival was an abysmal spec focused around traps. The only good talents in it were the top 2 that increased damage against mob types.
I was a melee hunter in vanilla and bc. The spell that stuck people in place was such a boone that it allowed me to kill rogues and warriors with little fanfare. was geared up like a paladin or a warrior with a solid two hander.
>>334247647
>No boss in this game needs specific spells to be dealt with
Instructor Razuvious
Felmyst
Magmadar
Chromaggus
I might be missing a few
>>334243547
Nah BC and WotLK were shit stories. You couldn't tell if the Vanilla story was shit because it didn't have one. The worldbuilding was good, but they didn't have some over-arching plot connecting everything together. It should have stayed that way.
>progressive
FUCK OFF SJW
>>334247904
There's a reason people didn't invite you to things
>>334247904
Deadlyshot, is that you?
>>334246618
>>334246736
It's annoying that you have all of these races that are relatively grey on the morality scale, and then you have two races that constantly ruin everything(Forsaken and Orcs).
>>334247647
Vanilla talents were almost random, like Holy Paladins having a talent that increased their strength.
>>334247904
>pvp
Survival was changed up in TBC to be more debuff oriented.
That debuff it could put on bosses and group wide agility was dope as fuck
>>334247952
A non-existent story is worst then a shit story.
>>334247982
>paladins
>strength
Most paladin damage came from crit and spell power
>>334247912
High King Maulgar (spellsteal)
Viscidus (frostbolt/frost shock)
All you private server fags better bring along 2-3 shadow priests in your playTBC raids if you wanna get somewhere.
>>334244007
did you help translate fire emblem?
>>334233541
>clip
*sigh* its called a magazine
>>334247981
And the draenei, who are always good always light. The only time I remember them not being perfect is when Velen implied that Elune was a Naaru, but I am probably seeing too much.
>>334247958
I made it well aware what was up when i entered groups.
>>334247959
Nope, Unihorn
>>334247991
Yeah i did notice that, there was a time where it was so balanced that it was a real dream to be a survivalist hunter. I remember a boost to stamina was one of them, then i think disengage was the spell that held them in place, then wyverns sting
>>334248107
There we go, thanks.
I'm trying to find one after BC that had a mechanic that mandated a certain spell but I'm not seeing any....I guess they decided to drop it when the 10 man raid size got introduced.
>wowfags crying because blizzard fucked the game they liked
Fuckers deserve it for supporting the company that killed the entire genre.
>>334247912
>>334248107
These bosses would still be doable, nothing that would impact these encounters was removed
I'm not trying to move goalposts, just pointing out these bosses would still be possible.
>>334248184
>shadow priest
>raid
Watch Mrbtongue mmo video he says smart things about it.
>>334248041
No it isn't, because a shit story cannot be avoided and ruins immersion.
>>334248297
Are you implying that they were doable at the time (no) or that they're killable now with inflated as fuck stats? (obviously)
Not seeing the point of your argument
>>334233814
I never played vanilla and I was having more fun than retail... explain?
>>334248272
Nah, after TBC blizzard was all about "bring the player not the class" since TBC was super heavily optimized in raid setups regarding specs and classes. They also went had to drop hard requirements since they went 10/25 and you couldn't gurantee certain things in a 10man raid.
Then they went and fucked all of that up in Cata 10 man raiding trying to make 10m as competitive by making 10 and 25 having the same mechanics so the first tier was near impossible unless you had something like 5 hit capped interrupters in your 10m raid. Luckily they realized how retarded they were and fixed it a couple months after launch.
When will they add real quests like RuneScape?
Speaking of private servers, what are your favorite private server bugs? I'll list my top 3.
1. Shaman weapon buff stacking - On Feenix there was a time (or this might still work, haven't checked) Where you could buff your weapon with rockbiter (add 1k attack power and threat) then disconnect and reconnect and add windfury to your weapon (rockbiter didn't show up on your weapon, but your attackpower still had the 1k increase). So you essentially had windfury and 1k attack power buff. Shit was cash on my AQ20/ZG geared shaman alt with Nightfall.
2. hunter sunken temple class trinket - That one pet trinket you can get that makes your pet's next attack a guaranteed crit. On Vanilla Gaming and Feenix back in the day this buff would not disappear after your pet crit the enemy. It was amazing watching your pet crit somebody over and over adding lots of damage really fast. Made beastmastery actually somewhat viable short of your pet stealing aggro and dying.
3. Paladin seal of the crusader damage increase - Instead of increasing spellpower for your holy attacks, it would add direct damage to them. This meant that you could add hundreds of damage to consecration PER tick. On top of this usually different ranks of SoC could stack on one enemy so if you had 5 paladins put on 5 different ranks (and talent) of that on a single mob and had all 5 use consecration the mob would literally get hit for 500-1000 damage per second. If I had the internet and computers, I would have tried multiboxing ret/holy paladins.
>Alliance getting bloodlust
>>334237580
Probably kronos
>>334248391
But a nonexistent story creates no immersion and cause a lack of focus.
>>334248418
There is no argument, the original conversation chain is about if timewalking scaling were applied to old content.
>>334248526
Shamans should have got racial spells like the priests
>>334248292
>mfw after 7 years of zero decent MMOs I have to choose between Tree of Savior, Black Desert and Albion Online
>>334248446
there was a while where i thought they were actually diversifying the loot/build viability. Throughout all of TK, SC and hyjal i ran a NELF 2h Slam warrior with medium to great success.
I loved that they were adding haste and static armor reduction on items too, they just seemed to do a 180 for WOTLK.
>Next E3
>Blizzard actually gets a panel this year around since they lost 6 million players and need to get new ones
>All legion features are fully revealed
>Garrisons 2.0
>"Completely optional"
>Mythic Speedrun Mode
>Requires items farmed from Garrison 2.0
>pre-raid BiS gear
>Requires Garrison 2.0 resources
>you can now play Garrisons 2.0 from your iPhone and Android devices!
>For a fee of 2.99 a month
>Comes with free mount reskin
>Next expansion announced
>"We think we know what you want, and we do!" -Watcher
>Next expansion: Rage of Nur'zhul
>Garrisons 3.0
>20 dungeons and raids
>They're actually the same 2 dungeons with different numbers attached
>new class: Knight
>Has tank and DPS specs
>More ability pruning, we understand you want more buttons to push, so we removed everything but your DPS rotation and added 2 more buttons, no more cooldowns to micromanage!
>>334248764
So basicly turn WoW into Guildwars 2?
>>334248764
hey leave watcher out of this, he just's a yes man that spins bullshit
>>334248446
> "bring the player not the class"
I know a lot of people would call this "casualization" but I wasn't necessarily displeased by it. It made it a lot easier to bring people I actually liked raiding with to raids instead of a few dickbags that played a certain class we needed....which was nice.
Plus I rerolled BM hunter right before Ulduar (I had always had a fascination with rare pet skins and spirit beasts pushed it over the edge...I only wish we had bigger stables then). I was the swiss army knife of buffs so we were never hurting for anything specific. I'm with you on cata fucking 10 mans up though. Aside from totfw I don't remember clearing a cata launch raid on 10 man till later.
>>334248632
Sorry then, carry on.
>>334248553
there doesn't need to be focus.
>>334248709
>wotlk
>not being arpen
Anon, I don't even know what to say. You might be experiencing brain issues. WoTLK had so much arpen there were spreadsheets on spreadsheets on applications pertaining to getting the optimal arpen values depending on your race, trinkets, buffs available.
So much so that Wotlk is reason arpen doesn't exist as a stat anymore because Blizzard was tired of dealing with it. There was so much ArPen that wow devs released the official arp scaling formula to help out theorycrafters (the only time this has ever happened in wow).Haste was also a wasted stat on warriors, TBC and WotLK
>>334248331
>TBC Shadow priests
>not guaranteed raid spot
Nice meme
>>334248764
>welcome to the world of warcraft gameplay QA panel
>yes you in the coat
>yes my name is Jafar
>I come from afar
>you shut down nost
>allahu akbar
Some of you guys are alright. Don't go to Blizzcon this year
>>334248975
>>334248446
I agree with the "bring the player" mentality, but the way they handled it was by homogenizing classes instead of making encounter/raids have more depth than just tanking/spanking/healing and allowing classes to bring CC/debuffs and alternative strats for handling bosses. They just went for the most cookie cutter gear grind/spec instead of designing something interesting.
>>334249053
I worded it wrong, i didnt mean those stats dissapeared with WOTLK, but they made it into the cookie cutter builds with straight upgrades, instead of being sidegrades like they were starting to look like in TBC.
Im gonna make a private server called "retail WoW"
So that if blizzard tries to shut me down, it'll fuck them over cause people won't bother subbing thinking retail WoW is getting shutdown
>>334233297
I BOUGHT "vanilla" wow when it came out
I have a physical copy of a game that I can't play anymore. It doesn't even say anywhere in the agreement that I accepted that I'm not allowed to play this version of the game
>>334249451
I stole an Unopened copy from my friends brother does that count?
>>334249282
>>yes my name is Jafar
>>I come from afar
>>you shut down nost
>>allahu akbar
>>334248227
Seriously, where did that storyline go? You'd think a discussion between faction leaders about different gods and the possibility of Elune actually being a Naaru would have gone somewhere.
Why did Maraad have to die the millisecond he wasn't a saint? Why is Y'rel, despite being a mary sue rivaling Rey, not a part of Legion---an entire expansion devoted to fighting the Burning Legion; with Archimonde, and other near-Draenei species in service to the Legion?
>>334239565
gog.com, huh?
>>334248076
Some tankadin builds picked up the divine strength talent because marginal increases in threat and block, but the extra mana from divine intellect was also useful for tankadin. I guess it depended on your gear and how you played as for whether you needed that int or not.
>>334248358
"In this video I explain the shandification of Azeroth"
The guild hall is literally Garrison 2.0
>Just cause everyone hated it doesnt mean someone out there doesn't like it!
blizzard is gonna die in your lifetime
>>334249786
I'm so glad they went and said that Garrisons are making a comeback. It let me know to avoid Legion altogether and there was no hope for redemption.
How is the stupid movie a thing?
Kotick wouldn't invest money into a sinking ship project like that----isn't he still in charge of Blizzard?
>>334249786
>>334249903
wow dudes how are you completely sure you won't like it? it's still in alpha! anything can change! you can't just judge something by past conclusions, don't even try to have an opinion until you clear all of legion's content.
>>334249960
His job isn't about making money.
His job is about making game development unfun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi5OndRKG0A
>>334250041
"anything can change haha xD"
I can bet my entire pair of testicles and 2inch b:-Denis that you'll be out of a job in 5 years as marketing becomes less important
>>334233060
It's probably, almost impossible, logistically, to get something similar going on actual retail servers.
Maybe you want to, but blizzard doesn't because the cost outweighs the gain.
>>334250041
Hi blizzard!
They told me this about every expansion since Cata.
>okay, Cata was bad but mists is better because X
>Okay fair enough mists was only so-so, but trust me this is gonna fix everything
>um well uh they said it's literally the same shit, but it's be better I swear!
>>334250041
You've convinced me, I just signed back up to WoD for a year and I pre-ordered the Legion Deluxe version. Now I just need to go get my Warcraft Movie ticket and bask in the glory of 2016 Activision-Blizzard run by the same people as it was in 1996.
>>334250183
Lol. Blizzard could just cannibalize some of those wasteland realms right now and set up shop. Jagex manages to host many old school realms as well. They have a few Runescape Classic servers as well as those '07scape servers.
>>334240478
Can't fly huh? That sucks.
>>334250443
Flying mounts ruined WoW.
>>334250443
>flying
'no'
>>334250496
So Burning Crusade ruined WoW?
>>334250443
>Flying
Killed wPVP
Alongside the absolute lack of endgame world content.
>>334250575
So this game has been dead to you for 10 years then?
>>334250546
Burning crusade did start a bunch of stupid shit that slowly ruined the game
>copy pasted dungeons aka heroics
>linear dungeon design
>flying mounts killed wPVP
>first instance of welfare gear
>Arena PVP
The raid content was amazing, but its all BC really had going for it.
>>334250610
It killed wPVP.
The game is far from 'dead' but its really on life support.
>>334250546
Flying mounts back then were still a fuckton of gold and had 3 sec casting time to mount 150% speed.
>>334250546
BC was weird about it. Most of the fun wpvp stuff happened out of Outland.
Correct me if I'm wrong about my expansions, I haven't played retail since then. I remember Cataclysm being the expansion that brought flying mounts to the "mainlands", causing the absolute death of wpvp.
>>334250546
At least in BC people were too poor to buy flying mounts.
>>334250662
The raid content? You mean when they cut raids down to 25 players and introduced 10-man raiding? That raid content?
>>334250662
Whats wrong with arena?
more fun than BGs desu.
>>334250725
And you couldn't even fly til 70.
>>334250735
don't be a faggot.
40 man raids made your role insignificant.
FPS was always gonna be fucking garbage.
Literally couldnt see shit on screen.
10 man raids with your friends are really cool.
I can actually get 9 friends and have a chill evening where I was a signifficant piece of the puzzle. Bigger 25 man raids were a happy medium for scale and epicness.
>>334250735
That was dumb, they really should have kept 40 mans for one shot bosses like Gruul and Mag.
More 10 man raids were a good thing, 25 mans were retarded though and absolutely destroyed guilds with drama
>>334250741
They're imba as fuck, will never be balanced without ruining classes.
Which they did.
>>334250741
It's the reason for a lot of skill balancing and changes that many people hated. I personally think they're idiots since I can't think of a single time a pvp change affected pve.
>>334247736
Remember when hunters used mana? I sure do.
>>334250706
Instanced PVP killed wPVP. Warsong Gulch, Alterac Valley, and Arathi Basin to be exact. Also the introduction of dishonorable kills made PVPers very hesitant to engage in town raiding due to the chance to make it nearly impossible for them to rank up in PVP if someone murdered the vendors.
And guess when all this was introduced? Vanilla. Your WPVP was ruined while it was still in the cradle, Anon.
>>334250741
I don't know, I found it way more fun having a full-on 40vs40 battle in AV compared to the cookie cutter healer/dps combos you'd be facing in arena. Certain classes had advantages at certain brackets too.
>>334238270
That morph is gross
>>334250937
>instanced PVP killed wPVP
No, it just turned it into a mini game grind.
You still had to do world content for end game shit, like elemental essenses, herbs and ore, fel cloth, ect, which made those areas prime PVP spots.locations.
And don't forget blackrock mountain on the weekends.
>>334242026
Less balanced pvp after wotlk?
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The font size doesn't even get big enough for this shit. Wotlk pvp was utter fucking trash. Pally sit in invic bubble and one-shot everyone while DKs could go 1v5 like it was nobody's business. The pvp wasn't worth jack shit until Cata.
>source
Consistent top 10s in 2s and 3s on my server from wotlk until mop.
>>334250896
true.
But It could of been fun if they just let it be unbalanced and said too bad to shit combos or classes not cut for it.
MAge/rogueing it was always fun.
>>334250969
half the time they just turned into giant scrums of people blindly attacking. Arena was more skill based. I liked having both.
>>334242417
>how do you customize your character
>>334242887
SWG was not a sandbox mmo like people like to pretend it was. It was a piece of shit grinding/walking simulator where you were forced along a certain path of missions before even being able to fight anything because (oddly enough) despite starting the game with some basic weapons, it wasn't possible to fight anything meaningful until you ran non-combat jobs for cred to buy weapons and armour.
>>334251087
That exact same shit still happens even in WoD. But shit like Tarren Mill vs Southshore definitely went away once there was instanced PVP, especially after the introduction of DHs.
>>334248443
There's no logic in your words. You can't have "more fun" if you claim "I never played vanilla". You can't know because you have never played. Get it ? You can't compare as vanilla is unknown to you.
>>334251412
>That happeins in WOD
I wasn't aware you could be ganked in your mine and herb garden
>>334243453
Greater numbers? Absolutely. More money? Doubtful. Remember money is all that counts and that they can milk the current crop of idiots for monthly subs expansions and an ingame store. That's too good to give up for just an ingame store.
>>334251412
TM vs SS was always retarded
Best PvP was always small fights in out of the way places or fucking with raiding guilds trying to get to their instance
>>334251646
TM vs SS was always as escalation of horde players questing in their low 20s getting BTFO by alliance in their mid 30s.
>>334251646
This.
Fuck Man, say what you want about WOTLK, but ICC was ripe for this.
Also deathknight pulls were fun as fuck for PVP.
>go to orgrimmar
>go on top of hut
>pull people
>beat the fuck out of them
>>334244364
>there was a time when exorcism was only usable on demons or undead
Christ. When you're with something for so long you don't really see the changes.
What fucking happened, man?
>>334251827
>ICC was ripe for this
Are you serious, ICC was shit for this. At most you'd get 1 kill out of someone before they managed to get inside. Nobody could start a fighter over this when the demount zone was in a straight line into the entrance that was a 5 second run away.
I like vanilla but the quality of life and ui aesthetics suck
>>334245359
why do you keep saying this. OK maybe you're right vanilla is shit and we're all special snowflakes. so what? isn't it still shitty from blizz that they not only deny to provide a service that we would pay money for, but then also shut down community projects that aim to provide it because they won't?
>>334251646
The best place was fighting over the Azuregos spawn
>>334252238
>AZUREGOS IS UP
>>334252238
>getting naked 5 guildies and suicide rushing green dragons over and over to grief other raids
Ahhh, drama dragons were so good.
>>334251646
The most fun i ever had pvping was on the sunwell island. The best pvp zones were never deliberately made for pvp
>>334251917
Those spells were OP in the fact they could be used against Forsaken and Death Knights, too.
>>334252545
Only in Vanilla beta for forsaken.
And when DK's used lichborne
>>334250183
from a technical perspective it would be trivial to get old servers running and distributing 1.12.1 clients to users. the really hard part is getting similar support (gms, etc.) running... I assume this is actually why they don't do it.
>>334251558
not the same guy but its clear that it means he didnt played vanilla on release and yet he had more fun playing it now therefore not having the nostalgia of it
kids cant read for shit nowadays
Will Kronos offer me the same experience as Nostalrious did? is everyone playing on Kronos now?
>>334253070
Nah, Kronos is P2W.
RANT TIME
the reason people were 'nice to eachother' back in the day on wow, is because it FORCED you to talk. now people say no one talks to one another, but you know what? a fuck ton of people that talked back in the day when they had to are the ones that aren't talking
a lot of people never actually wanted to talk to you fucking faggots, they just pretended to be nice so they could use you to get things WELCOME TO REAL LIFE
second, 'nostalgea for vanilla' no, you really don't want to do that again, why you ask?
because you are remembering experiencing wow and online bromances for likely the first time, once you play it again, all those amazing nostalgea powered memories will get the life sucked out of them by the cold hard reality of 'now that it's not the first time, this isn't as good as i remembered..'
the truth is, wow could still be good, you just have to actually be nice to people and not expect everyone to be nice to you just because you are you, a lot of people won't give a fuck about you if you don't have something they need, just like almost everyone in this thread isn't nice unless they want something, it's just how shit is, so find some cool dudes to play with, that actually want to talk just to talk, and surprise, you can have fun again, fun doesn't just appear because you want it to
also while pvp is weird as fuck, i use to low level pvp in every expansion and vanilla, you guys who complain about end game pvp now have NO IDEA what real imbalance is like, it was a fucking gongshow in lower brackets in some of the expansions
i've also noticed, most people complain about pvp sucking, are people who play a class that got nerfed or that isn't god tier anymore so they whine and bitch how everything blows, mostly because they don't want to play another class where they'd have to learn to be good again
Like SO MANY PEOPLE are like that, they also bitch about raiding being 'too easy' and they haven't even done heroic or mythic, it's just mindblowing
>>334253102
So no blizzlike non p2w alternatives out there?
>>334253154
Nope, Nost was the first, its why it was the biggest.
The rest are XP boosted, or buyable advantages, which is why modern fucking sucks, if you just have all the best gear in the game for doing literally nothing, everyone quits and you have no one to play with/against.
>>334253070
Closest thing I've found is MagicWoW but it has next to no players which kind of sucks, but besides that it's okay.
>>334253225
Well that sucks... I really want to play vanilla now with all the hype :(
>>334253005
I was thinking about;
If they want to use the actual old version of the game, how will it handle modern account formats?
Can modern accounts just seemlessly play both old and new versions? do you need seperate account/child account? what about subscription? what about client version? I think they need to develop a whole new version of the game in order to make it work on the infrastructure they have built so far.
There's probably one billion other things.
>>334253738
Nah, they would litterally use a different client that connected to a different network, like how EU and US are different networks
>>334251954
but that was the allure. you had a 5 second window to fucking CC or kill the fucker.
>>334250443
Can't play the vanilla world anymore as this has been removed from your retail product, huh ? That sucks.
Have no resistances anymore, huh ? That sucks.
Many professions are meaningless in your game most of the time due to Blizz not really caring and thanks to heirlooms, huh ? That sucks.
The PVP responsible guys for retail don't get anything right, huh ? That sucks.
Despite Blizz retail servers hacking and duping is a thing, along with many other issue, like a lack of quality control, huh ? That sucks.
Your followers do all the adventurer work while you just click buttons and wait, huh ? That sucks.
You only have a toxic community on life support, huh ? That sucks.
Faggot, please.
I won't say retail is shit but I say retail is shit.
>>334253738
that's all literally no problem. the only thing remotely problematic could be how they handle accounts now, because in the absolute worst case they would have to introduce hooks in their servers to recognize the old way 1.12.1 used to log in. but that's a technical problem on the order of "one engineer who knows their server architecture will spend a day or two on it" until its ready (without QA of course).
>>334254392
>cont
I mean just think about it like this, logically: Fans who had to reverse engineer how old wow worked, without even having the original servers available, had no problem getting fully functional vanilla (minus bugs) running. with usually less than a handful of developers, who each are not that good at what they do (just look at any open source server code and you will get brain cancer), who work in their spare time.
blizz has all the money, all the engineers, and more importantly: all the knowledge of how it used to work (they literally have the source code) to get it to run. anything and everything that might potentially be a problem is purely "business" and politics. the technical side is nearly trivial.
>>334254503
Yes but what i'm saying is, the private servers have everything set up to run with old shit.
Blizzard has everything for new shit. you cant run old shit on new shit.
>>334241631
What about Wildstar ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbJrDLUZy8g
>wake up check Blizzard shit forums
>all Blizzardshills getting downvoted into oblivion
>all positive posts are saying how shit nu-WoW is and how vanilla was better
Today is going to be a good day.
>>334254309
This. Anyone who still pays to play WoW in 2016 is a deluded blizzdrone
>>334254712
no, you can set up the old shit separately. and if you really don't want to, you can hook the old shit to the new shit. it's done in software dev literally all the time. if the shitty runescape devs can do a vanilla server thing, blizzard can do it 100x faster and better. they just don't want to.
Was vanilla endgame good though? It was probably the first mmo i got to level cap and enter the endgame barrier and I didn't like what I got at scholo/mc/strat. Those were the three things I dipped my toe in..I only probably saw 1/3 of each of them but I didnt like them as much as hanging around tarrenmill for the back and forth pvp or the stv ganking squads. In fact those pvp tidbits were my fondest memories of wow. I've since only stuck to pve in other mmos though (XI and XIV). Maybe I should consider playing pvp full time on the next mmo I play. XIV is so fucking shit now.
>implying druids, shamans, paladins, warlocks wouldn't be crying out for balancing if official vanilla servers were made
>>334254750
damn that is pretty good.
Is the game shit though?
>>334254956
Depends on your definition of good.
There are tons of things to do, and everything you did made your character in general stronger and better, also you didn't have to worry about your invested time to get reset to 0 on the next patch.
>>334254712
>has everything set up to.
Literally all they need is bandwidth and a box anon.
Server hardware is server hardware, doesn't really matter what version of WoW you are running on it.
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>>334255053
>implying I give a fuck, 2005-2010 protection warrior warrior Master Race
>>334243009
>I like this 10's meme of "Tell people what they actually think because then they can't argue"
it works with wow, it works with social justice, it works with christians! It's beautiful.
>>334255053
>warlocks
>crying ever
lolwut.
I understand Locks are the hardest class in the game to play, but at the same time they are the most powerful class, if faggots just learned how to play correctly.
My main was a Lock.
>the only autist in here that are about this game never even played vanilla wow
>wanting blizzard to bring back suck a broken game for the public to "enjoy"
Vanilla wow is nostalgic but garbage and if anyone actually cared about it they would've played it before it got shit down instead of caring we it got shut down. Deal with it /v/aggets.
>>334243532
What is this, a GM response for ants?
>>334254956
if you didn't like MC you wont like the rest of the endgame. the boss encounters got more varied (mc was basically 99% tank and spank with one gimmick ability that was easy to deal with, like a debuff or whatever) but it stayed essentially the same. that is, if by MC you really mean the raid, it's weird that you say you only saaw half of strat and scholo and then say MC in the same line. you typically don't go raiding until you have a decent amount of level 60 equipment set up.
I would pay a sub to literally just experience 8-hour AV sessions that only existed in vanilla and have never, ever been replicated elsewhere.
It was fucking beautiful. You didn't even care if you lost.
You know, blizzard are still pretty cool guys after all.
They let me refund my preorder of legion without questions or resistance.
All in all its pretty bittersweet that this is going to be the first expansion that im not even going to level in.
>>334255351
>>334255351
>It was fucking beautiful. You didn't even care if you lost.
And then it became irrelevant cross realm 12 minute long snorefests.
Yay.
>>334255227
Out of curiosity, how does a game that was good before, qualify as shit now?
like for instance is deus ex shit now?
Morrowind?
How do you quantify this. Is it just after X years every game is automatically shit?
>>334243532
Blizzard GMs are pretty cool sometimes.
>>334255351
>Taking a grave yard by surprise could literally change the tide of a game, and at the VERY least be a 30-minute setback for the opposing team.
>Holding a bridge for over an hour of continuous fighting to gain maybe 30 yards of ground.
>Your/enemy base being a hellzone of AoE for that final push, absolute chaos everywhere.
>Trenchchat
>Putting that AoE in exactly the right place and getting 20 HKs
I haven't played since early WotLK, but it evaporated as soon as burning crusade happened. It just became a 10 minute cakewalk for whomever got the first graveyard.
>>334238270
Friendly reminder that unlike Valve, Blizzard doesn't take 75% for themselves of the money going to the price-pool.
>>334255225
>SM/Ruin
>Hardest to play
Yea, shadowbolt is tough as fuck. Shut the fuck up and give me a healthstone, 2nd-rate mage.
>>334255332
Well, I was basically pretty new to mmos and never got to endgame up to then. I just followed whatever my friends wanted to do at the time. I'm pretty sure I never finished any of those 3 I mentioned and I dont remember anything about it other than telling myself that I hate what I'm doing in there (I was an undead disc priest I think). Shortly after we moved on from the game.
>>334238824
>Valve makes an MMO
>It's filled to the brim with microtransactions on top of the subscription
>Content takes ages to be released
>>334255579
I don't actually care about either company, but even a cursory second's thought would hopefully make you realise that while they're both bullshit: one is a free service scalping you at the prize pool, one is a paid sub (already scalping you monthly) without embezzling in the prize pool.
So they're both cunts. Big surprise.
"you think you want it, but you don't"
literally taken this minute
>>334255658
>blizzard makes an MMO
>discontinues it to make room for a facebook game
>Takes down fan servers.
>>334255583
I was Demonology, scrub. Every good lock knows SM/Ruin was a meme build.
>>334255658
>Get to patch 2.9.9
>mfw
>>334255658
>Valve hires nost to make an MMO
>Takes 10 years to complete
>content lasts 10 years without any expansions and still remains engaging.
>>334255796
kekked.
>>334255821
What on earth would make you think the Nost team is in any way competent to make a game from scratch
>>334255821
>Valve
>Engaging content
>10 years
Pick two
>>334255557
Yes, that was fucking world war 1: fantasy edition. All that attrition warfare and summoning bosses. All the inside the wire action.
>>334256054
cs 1.6
>>334256080
Dead game.
>>334256054
Valve and Engaging content
>>334255764
>pugging VoA
why would you do that
>>334255821
You mean ten months?
>>334250897
It's been the case multiple times in both directions. It affected racials as well as individual spells and talents.
For MoP I remember Warlocks with their spread all dots to new target spell (forgot name) + glyph and "Kiljaedens Cunning".
That's why a lot of people asked for an individual skill set for PVE and an individual skill set for PVP.
Blizz refused. Basically they could also script their spells to work differently on PVP targets than they do on PVE targets, like CC effects already show. Yet instead of doing so a lot of spells were butchered, left untouched or even buffed.
Blizzards approach of fixing the situation was the homogenization of classes and talent trees which failed and made the game more shallow.
I suppose you didn't read Wow's forums much ? There were always people crying once something was buffed or nerfed.
>>334256185
dunno, we won WG a while back
Vanilla was fun if you had a fun class. I rolled a paladin because I wanted to be a champion of light, I ended up a heal bot trough and trough.
I'm glad BC and WoTLK came around.
>>334256057
>Just saw a paladin vet I served with in Outlands get blasted by six warlock DoTs so fast his face didn't know whether to melt or explode #trenchfoot #nextexpansionlooksfun #whatcouldgowrong
>>334255769
Pretty sure Valve would take down fan servers to because muh microtransactions
>>334256295paladins were only useful as healers in TBC too
>>334256330
>Outlands
>>334242206
Could have summarized this as "hubris and greed". We'd understand.
>>334256347
Hey we could always play chinese wowf2, they never managed to shut that shit down.
>>334256423
Sorry I'm secretly nosyodomu the golden timelord
>>334256387
I was doing fine in PvP
>>334256387
BS. Prot were the best AoE tanks and Retwas only useful with Hyjal gear and later
>>334256534
>Prot were the best AoE tanks
And? For what? Hyjal Trash? Irrelevant 5 mans?
>>334256534
>was only useful with Hyjal gear and later
To the ground, baby.
I wish I didn't have a shitty computer from2001when I played WoW. Maybe then I wouldn't have goofed around the entire expansion.
>>334242821
I remember doing the Wetlands Death Run at level 10 as a dwarf without a single death.
what's wrong with liking the idea of having to farm for resistance gear? i like gimmicks and novelties, even if they aren't always fair or fun
>>334257524
gating
>>334257580
>gating
At least it was immersive unlike ilvl.
>>334257524
Thematically it's cool, practically it's really annoying as all hell. I'm just glad I never needed a full resist set of anything as a priest, just a couple pieces here and there for certain bosses.
>>334257580
But one boss every two weeks is ok>?
>>334252114
maybe if you faggots didn't spam the official forums with threads that they should quit WoW and come to your server, they wouldn't have shut it down.
How retarded Nost. faggots have to be to promote their server on the official forums and telling people to quit WoW and come to them.
>>334257493
for what purpose?
>>334257580
>Gating
Gating is preventing you from ever even -trying- the content
Resist gear was required to kill specific bosses, like a key.
Sure resist gear is meh, but if it was more like early mosnter hunter were you could create optimal gear for certain bosses, it would be better.
>>334233060
So I've never played WOW, but I am an avid Guild Wars guy: Why can't you play the original/previous campaigns? That sounds really fucky to me.
>>334241898
>down to 10k for a while
Amazing recovery really
>>334257835
I wanted a tiger from Durotar.
>>334243593
To be fair one thing needs to be stated: The transition from easy leveling to fail = you die dungeon mechanics was pretty much nonexistant. Questing may have told the players nice stories but it didn't teach them well how to play their class and to understand game mechanics used in dungeons and raids, because it was made less challenging.
Cata was never hard. Maybe the enemy values were high and you needed to learn about instakill mechanics first but it wasn't ever hard to understand. Yet people failed to not stand in bad stuff and to use their class to the full extend. Barely saw mages spellsteal "blazing haste" in the new Zul Aman or any hunter / rogue / druid remove any rage effect, even for the boss in Stonecore.
I liked those Cata dungeons but the BC ones were better because they also included mandatory CC while it was often optional or replaced by tiny groups for aoe spamming in Cata.
>>334257956
they redid the entire original world with the cataclysm expansion in 2012 or whenever it was
>>334243593
I'm surprised people die on auto-pilot heroics.Could be bots
>>334257682
TFW playing warrior in a vanilla naxx guild, tfw main job was dps but had to also tank on some bosses.
TFW farming fire resist gear for MC , nature resist for AQ , frost for Naxx.
JUST
FUCK
MY
SHIT
UP
>>334258251
Late 2010
2012 was MoP
>>334241898
>implying OSRS is "vanilla"
they added grand exchange and other qol updates into it that werent in that version of runescape
fuck off
>>334233060
>it's the butthurt general again
fuck off to /vg/
>tfw never did any content past MC
the "you think you want it, but you don't" guy, who is he?
>>334258310
oh god was TBC really that long ago?
what have i done with my life?
>>334258034
That's pretty cool, Anon.
I did something similar: A death run through Silverpine, Hillsbrad, Athari, Wetlands and Loch Modan to get that good level 12 polar bear in Dun Morogh
>>334258379
J. Allen "take their servers off the rack" Brack
>>334258419
TBC finished late 2008. WoTLK finished late 2010
>>334258419
TB was 2007 to late 2008, nine years from now.
>>334241631
UO, Shadowbane, Darkfall?
>>334241631
SWG did it right.
People who are willing to play something for free =/= people who are willing to pay 15 bucks a month.
At the end of the day, it was just 800,000 thieves.
>>334257390
>2001
>WoW
Fuck off
>mmo-champion has no news post of nostalrius
it really just is an outlet for blizzard to show their future content
>>334258779
holy fuck you're stupid
>>334258458
My name is J Allen, and I'm the smuggest man alive.
When I was at a Q&A, I was asked something impossible.
>>334258779
My computer was from 2001.
I played WoW in 2005-2008.
>Reading comprehension
What part of these servers being illegal doesn't click well with you people?
Stealing is a crime, it doesn't matter why they did it.
>>334237086
They shut Nost down because Nost was taking money under the table and selling client info to 3rd parties.
That's why the French server hosts fucking stopped it. Not because it was a popular server.
Warmane has had 20,000 players since it was about as a WOTLK server and doesn't get touched. Excalibur has 5000 or so.
Nost got shutdown for taking money for shit. It's a well known fact within the private server community because the MOMENT anyone gets over 2000 players at any time, you get a half dozen information brokers wanting their emails and shit and they pay a pretty penny. Nost was supposed to be breaking $15,000 a month in under table transactions according to a friend of a friend who runs a popular private server.
>>334258735
jesus were there that many players? i thought we were talking a few thousand max. that's an insane number, i doubt more than a handful of games currently have more players
>>334258779
hello my dumb friend
>>334258779
delete your post m8
>>334258887
Meant reply to >>334258887
instead of>>334258892
>>334258735
They played something that you can't pay for though.
>>334258892
very reliable source, thanks
>>334258887
crime =/= morally wrong action
>>334258887
>but its the law
>blizzard cucks and shills on their website getting down voted
>/v/'s blizzard cuck boys and shit eaters are trying to defend blizzard to the maximum with out looking like retards, but it isn't working
this is really enjoying to watch.
>>334259098
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20743204221
check out the 2nd post, I had a good laugh.
>>334259187
oh WOW
how can someone be this deluded?
Most private servers are buggy in a lot of ways, because they aren't perfect copies of the live servers back in Classic. Frequently functionality is flawed (broken quest chains – some items, achievements, mounts, etc., not obtainable); they are generally buggy and unreliable. Blizzard would have to fix such code to make it useable – an undertaking which would likely take as long and cost as much as simply rewriting it from scratch… both of which they’ve described as a “logistical nightmare” and have said they’re not going to do.
The people that "want" legacy servers are some of the same people that are doing the ddos. Don't give in to terrorists.
>>334259357
1. Blizzard does have the 'old code' for the game. Any somewhat-reputable software company has a repository that has all their server side code.
2. Nostalrius came to near perfection on their server when it came to bugs. Their servers were also a lot more stable and had way more players than blizzard used to have.
>>334259187
>>334259310
>cantaa
>aka Mr.T don't ever talk to blizzard and her son WoD
What does /v/ think about this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR20QH5UHoM
naxx 40 was cake
id rather go for modern day content that takes me at least 400+ attempts with raid buffs and flasks to kill
https://youtu.be/0ViCzV_7UNs
People played because it was free. That is why free to play games have a huge amount of players. It doesn't cost you to join so why not join?
800k players out of the 5 million we currently have is not even a whole percentage. That kind of minority should not at all be telling Blizzard what to do. That isn't even enough people to warrant a new server.
>>334260597
800k is litterally 16% of 5m
Just finished watching a video about the garrison in Legion. People really pay 15$ a month to play huniecam?
>>334260597
>800k players out of the 5 million we currently have is not even a whole percentage.
ITT: literally retarded blizzdrones defending their shitty game by resorting to calling people playing on private servers theives
>>334260597
>800k players out of the 5 million we currently have is not even a whole percentage
this is the people arguing against vanilla let that sink in.
>>334233814
>You nostalgic riddled brain is deluding you
I never played vanilla but I enjoyed the fuck out of nostalrius, how do you explain that?
>>334260597
>5million we currently have
haha oh silly blizzdrone
don't you realize whats happening this year ?
you have a swath of mmo's coming out that will suck even more subscribers from wow which im sure is below 5 million at this point. you think the mostlikely 3 million Chinese subs are gonna continue holding up the possible 2 million world users after these come out.
>lost ark
>albion
>warhammer
>black dessert
>star citizen
>everquest next
