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HOLY DEMONS
>ultimate champion of the Light and the one to lead us against the esoteric, formless creators of the Old Ones themselves turns out to be Illidan
I guess he beat Arthas in the end :^)
That is some absolute shit writing.
>>333826972
Wait
So Illidan is a Paladin Demon Hunter now?
This is some fucking Medan level bullshit
>>333827590
Isn't it supposed to be little Wrynn
>>333827792
buttboy prince had his chance ruined by illidan's redemption story
>>333827890
So they're killing his Daddy for no reason? Who the fuck is writing this horseshit
Can we just forget WoW ever existed and move on to WCIV already?
FUCK ILLIDAN
>>333828034
Blizzard need to pull the fucking trigger, end WoW, WC4, then WoW2.
The game has too much historical baggage and terrible bullshit writing. They need to pull some time magic/titan reorigination/some other bullshit out of there ass to retcon ALL of WoWs story and start from scratch.
>>333826972
>>333827003
This seems
Familiar
I TOLD YOU A GOOD REDEMPTION STORY WAS COMING FOR ILLIDILLIDINGDONG. AND I LOVE MYSELF A GOOD REDEMPTION STORY
*snorts a line of warcraft brand coccaine*
LOK'TAR OGAR!
>>333828691
SHIT I FORGOT MY OWN PICTURE IN MY COKE ENDUED SELF HYPE!
>>333826972
>THE UNIVERSE HAS ANOINTED ME TO KILL KIL'JAEDEN
jesus christ
fucking
jesus fuck who wrote this trash? was this knack?
>>333826972
>"I like to think I am somewhat more sentient than my warglaives."
>"That is what makes you so dangerous."
>"So the universe has anointed me to slay Kil'jaeden." His tone was sardonic, but hope flickered inside Illidan.
A children's book has better writing than this. A professional fucking author wrote this tripe.
People actually LIKE this writing.
>>333830206
No one 'likes' this writing. They just like warcraft so they buy the books. Blizzard just farms out there shit to the lowest bidder, most of whom are worse than 14 year old fanfiction authors.
>Illidan is defined as an anti-hero who's willing to do anything (including using demonic power) to get what he wants
>LET'S MAKE HIM THE CHOSEN ONE OF THE LIGHT
Fucking really Blizzard? Did this author even play Warcraft 3? For fuck's sake.
>>333830339
I fucking believe you.
I should hire myself to them for cheap. Maybe then when I go fucking wild I would make the story way less faggoty and a bit more presentable.
If someone like this author can make a fucking book and be acclaimed, then my confidence just shot up considerably considering this garbage makes me feel like I'm the William Faulkner to their "kid in middle school writes fanfiction about his favorite badass character".
Why the hell do they need to 'redeem' him with holy power in the first place?
He has literally NEVER been shown to be evil because of his Fel magic
Why couldn't they just have him come back and fight the Legion and Void in a way that's not retarded?
>>333830694
Yeah but this is commercial fiction. If you're writing literary fiction it can be harder to find a market. There's always a wide audience for stock fantasy especially with the existing market, but whatever better book you're working on needs to have somewhere to sell itself.
>>333826972
>>333827003DARKNESS CALLEDBUT I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH THE LIGHT
>>333830206
This doesn't seem too bad to me. Like, it's not good, but it's not terrible. I mean, it's commercial fantasy. It's a product.
The only way this makes any sense is if they're confirming that Elune is either a Naaru or directly related to the Naaru/the Light/Holy energy and Illidan being anointed as some Demon Hunter Priest thing is due to Tyrande doing something.
Even then it's a massive fucking stretch. Why would the Light pick Illidan as it's fucking champion when it could have intervened and saved Tirion or used Anduin or some shit.
>>333831113
Elune is what the nightelves interpreted the sleeping Titan that is the heart of azeroth to be.
>>333831241
That's confirmed or a guess based on one of the pillars of creation being named after Elune?
>>333830905
I never said I was going to write Warcraft lore into something compelling; that shit isn't really possible by default. But I sure as fuck could write better dialogue and descriptions that wasn't written so a fucking 8 year old could read it without issue. Or misuse words, like Knaak is famous for.
>>333831000
Compare it to the worst pages in Harry Potter, which became nonsense just to fuck with Stephen Fry. It manages to be even worse. At least in the game that dialogue is done with an air of intended ridicule. This book is taking this 100% seriously, completely straight.
>>333831113
Because the Naaru just said fuck it that nigga's gonna be our champion.
>>333831513
Such a poor choice. He's been someone's champion a bunch of times and literally never fucking succeeded.
>>333831396
So what are you writing?
Have we ever got an explanation on what the fuck the well of eternity was?
>>333831743
Babby titan blood or some shit.
>>333831396
I didn't read HP. The last fantasy book I read (well, reading) was Moorcock's Elric stuff. I like a lot of the ideas, but the writing in it doesn't seem all that great to me.
>>333831743
See
>>333831241
Naaru is some sort of sleeping Titan/is the Heart of Azeroth. The Well of Eternity was powered by her.
>>333831697Subtle satire masked as childish enthusiasm
No, but seriously, satirical pretension bullshit aside, just write what they tell me to while making sure it doesn't sound like a fucking teenager was playing with his warcraft toys in the bathtub with the way dialogue is said and characters interact.
"That is what makes you so dangerous" right after the most wooden and shoddy response that could have been better worded as "I'm sure I'm more intelligent than my weapons" is something anyone who's written more than a My Immortal-esque fanfic knows you don't fucking do.
>>333831360
>"Mesmerized by their discovery, the dark trolls settled along the Well of Eternity's shores. Over generations, the energies radiating from the lake suffused the trolls' flesh and bones, elevating their forms to match their graveful spirits. [...] The tribe's mystics began worshipping the moon goddes, Elune, who they believed was bound to the well of Eternity itself[...]"
That's from the Warcraft chronicles book. One has to consider that the Well of Eternity is a literal wound in the flesh of Azeroth leaking out his/her magical power out into the world.
>>333831938
Yeah but what was it
It comes as odd to me how it was the absolute central nexus of the entire conflict around the planet, and even after the rewrite instead of getting an explanation, we just avoided it.
Considering how it should've been pretty damn important, and how it got blown the fuck out, I'd assume whatever titan can still be born from this shithole would be a deformed shitnugget at best.
Man I hate this all, it really hurts seeing literally everythin I know go to shit, even the ones I've already given up on years ago.
How can shit go to shit, this is not okay
>>333831947
You don't strike me as a particularly talented writer, or even an intelligent person.
Neither does this author, to be fair, but what else can be expected of Warcraftfags?
>>333831947
Sadly, I think the lack of quality control is indicative of how discerning the readership is. I am certain, without even reading anything authored by you, that you can write better than that. But children and autists won't like it and they won't want more of it. They want nasty bad guys that say mean and petty things and they want sardonic, unwilling heroes.
>>333832423
Grow up.
>>333832331
What do you mean 'what was it?'
As in before they decided it was baby Titan juice? Probably nothing. Azeroth just had a Well shaped power source. Some nexus of energy or other fantasy bullshit.
>>333832615
Which is odd because the void doesn't strike me as a typical evil one-liner zinging bad guy
It sounds to me like a black hole where holy speeches go to die.
>>333832331
Titans tried to kill off Y'shaarj, which was way ingrained into the planet with its tentacles and shit, by literally pulling it out. They succeeded and left a literal wound in the planet leaking the planet's essence, the titan spirit. This came to be the Well of Eternity.
sauce: chronicles
>>333832423
I never said I was talented or a good writer, nor did I say I was a Warcraftfag.
But sure, toss insults because you disagree with me. That's an intelligent and mature thing.
>>333832615
Don't assume I'm better than that author so quickly. For all I know, the author was forced to write specific segments like that to Metzen's preferences. If I did the job and had to do that, someone else on the internet would be reacting exactly like I do now. The author could be perfectly great for all I know. I just don't like how they wrote those pages.
I have a long way to go before I have the balls to walk up to someone and say "Hey pay me to write your shitty video game novel!"
>>333832331
>I'd assume whatever titan can still be born from this shithole would be a deformed shitnugget at best.
Why? because papa Aman'thul was a bit rough while squeezing out a pimple from baby Azeroths behind?
The well is not something the tians uterus or something, Azeroth in its entirety is the titan.
>>333832767
>>333832821
Because the well blew the fuck up and rearranged azeroth itself?
>>333832767
Does it mention how Azeroth got 5 (6?) Old Gods stuck on it in the first place? I assume Azeroth is a particularly special Titan baby-thing given that it's so attractive to Old Gods and the Legion.
>>333827665
No, this is shit writing,
http://www.heirtothestars.net/A%20Song%20to%20Sympathize%20with%20the%20Devil.pdf
>>333832892
Yeah the sundering happened a fucking long time afterwards. That 'sealed the wound' so to speak, and left the maelstrom behind as a scar.
>>333832892
that's a later part of the story
>>333832905
somethingsomething Void lords found out Azeroth contained a titan baby stronger than the rest of them, so they rocketed old god puppets through time and space to azeroth to corrupt the spirit at an early stage to do the bidding for them
>>333832984
didn't even seal the wound though, since apparently saving a few vials of the poop was enoguh to remake the whole thing
shit dont make any sense whatsoever
why cant I just have game and lore about some races and racewar
>>333833098
The Well at Hyjal isn't anywhere near as powerful as the original Well of Eternity. It's just infused with some of the essence.
>>333833064
So are the Void Lords just bigger Old Gods or something else.
>read the two pictures
Jesus tap dancing Christ. Was this written by the self jerking elitist RP'ers WoW has? God damn that is bad.
>>333833457
And to add, (yes I am samefagging this one since I forgot to add this), the only thing that drivel was missing was a "Nothing personal kid" during his vision of his redemption
>>333833224
Yes, also Sargeras is apparently not evil just Prince Arthas 2.0
>>333832789
I can imagine writers who pick up contracts like this write for a certain kind of audience and are perhaps even mandated to do so. Honestly though, I don't recommend writing as a career. It's overcrowded, underappreciated and underpaid. With the amount of aspiring authors, it's difficult to persuade anyone to pay to market your work and with the cuts that e-retailers take, it's nigh impossible to make it off of your own back. And whether you're a novelist, a screenwriter or work for videogames you're going to be writing for an audience and employers who won't take the time to recognise your talent (if you have it) and who never asked for consumate execution in their entertainment anyway.
>>333832746
The void will be an affectless, incorporal, "You cannot possibly hope to win" entity. Calling it now.
>>333833795
We've known for a while that Sargy is a tragic, fallen, corrupted Titan (like every fucking warcraft villain). Is it going to be revealed that the Void Gods corrupted him instead of it being the Nathrezim/driven mad by thousands of years of Demon killing?
You should read a classic instead, OP.
>>333834119
>reading video game books
lol
>>333834037
No, Sargeras is kind of a twisted anti hero now.
>>333834483
How so? Is pillaging worlds a good thing now?
>>333826972
>>333827003
What is it that I'm looking at here, exactly? Why is his tablet built like that? Is it like those laptops that can bend in on themselves?
>>333834730
He aint pillaging worlds. He is saving the universe from being corrupted by the Void Lords.By pillaging worlds and eradicating all live he can find.
>>333834119
>reading a novel based off of a videogame based off of a translated book of a book of poems
>THE ZERG WERE THE GOOD GUYS ALL ALONG
>THE DEMONS WERE THE GOOD GUYS ALL ALONG
>ANGEL ZERGS
>HOLY DEMONS
>AGAINST ULTIMATE SHADOWY ENEMY
I miss when Warcraft was just a Fantasy Battles knock off with some weird OC lore here and there.
>>333834886
arthas 2.0 ?
>>333835068
Arthas got truly corrupted along the way. Sargeras just chose a path that the rest of the Pantheon and the universe heavily disagreed with, mostly because it involved murdering the shit out of everything, but all he did was from his own choices, without someone whispering to him to corrupt his thoughts.
>>333834370
>>333835003
I don't know what you guys are talking about. That's the literary classic, not a spin-off novel.
>>333835050
That's because you can't just be prejudiced these days, Anon. Can't just outright hate orks, elves, dwarves, what have you. No, no, we need some kind of ambiguous being, something nobody really identifies with. Something nobody would be offended that everyone hates.
>>333835003
>translated by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
Unless they actually wrote the novelization in Italian and then resurrected Longfellow to translate it, the book is the original Dante's Inferno.
>>333834886
So the void lords are literally the anti-spiral and sarg is lord genome?
I'm out
>>333835346
more like Sargeras is the anti-spiral and the void lords are the concept of spiral power going out of control but with a conscious and actively malevolent mind. The void lords are pretty much the even bigger bad guy that would come after the anti-spiral.
>>333826972
Why is illidan alive
>>333835563
Because he is a massively popular character both in the fanbase and at blizzard themselves that people at blizzard wanted to bring back for years.
>>333835563
We didn't kill him in the BT. Then maiev captured him again.
>>333835563
he never died, Black Temple was merely a setback
>>333835563
>void lords
because that liam guy needs work
>>333827003
Jesus Christ this writing is bad
>>333826972
>HOLY DEMONS
and illidan literally becomes jesus
>told he has to make a sacrifice
>dies
>will be resurrected
>returns with angel wings and a halo as a champion of the light
>>333835563
Started as Orcs vs Humans
Ended as Blizz vs lore
no game deserves such fate
>>333834886
Why is Void Lord corruption bad? I mean sure, the Titans like order, but a bunch of races on Azeroth are corrupted by the curse of flesh and they aren't inherently evil or anything as a result.
>>333834119
>tfw there's never any love for purgatory and paradiso.
Even dante has his early work fairly outweighing the later
>>333836490
who understands their shitty lore anymore anyway
no logic in that shit
>>333836490
And Yogg'saron and C'thun are really swell fellows right?
The curse of the flesh wasn't really void corruption. It was more like a literal curse, a virus in the Titanic constructs programming the Old gods managed to sneak in to weaken them.
>>333837360
Because light punishments and discussions about philosophy and the nature of man are boring compared to having sinners submerged into boiling liquid so demons don't tear off their bodies.
The guy really hated the popes.
>>333837506
Yeah sure the Old Gods are jerks, but C'thun lost to fucking Trolls. I don't see what the big deal is.
>We heard that ruining Kerrigan was not really appreciated by our fans so we decided to ruin Illidan as well!
![thumbnail_2_3c315c34_v2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/brmm578.jpg "thumbnail_2_3c315c34_v2[1].jpg")
>>333827981
Someone with a literal mountain of cocaine.
>>333837646
>C'thun lost to fucking Trolls
no he didn't he lost to the combined might of all Azeroths heroes
>>333835243
Can't remember, why was Virgilio Maro stuck in Purgatory again?
>>333838057
His initial expansion attempt using the Aqir was stopped by Trolls.
![Loramus_new[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sw7gbSM.jpg "Loramus_new[1].jpg")
>>333835563
Because even though we saw him die and looted his dead corpse, lol he never died, and was captured instead. Seems the only way to know for sure someone died is to see them get decapitated and split into a million pieces.
>remember this guy literally got killed, had his body parts scattered across the winds, and still got brought back
Oh yeah, Fuck Blizzard.
At least they didn't make Sylvannas into Kerrigan 2.
Can you imagine the Lich Queen as the hero of the light?I sure can, and I expect something like it to happen.
>>333835050
The zerg weren't good guys all along, they just weren't mind controlled
>>333838615
They seem to be pussying out and backing off on the crazy bitch lich queen angle in Legion given that Sylvy is working with Varian in the trailer.
Then again she apparently assumes control of the Horde when Vol'jin goes on vacation to Zandalarr so perhaps we'll need to kill her when he gets back. Siege of Orgrimmar 2.0.
>>333838426
That wasn't him, that was a c'thraxxi general that the trolls had awoken despite being told not to by the wild gods.
Basically new lore is that trolls fucked up pandoras box style by waking him up with blood sacrifices.
>>333838615
>Shitvannas
Fuck her, bolvar is the true lich king.
>>333838863
So the trolls didn't break the Aqir empire scattering them to the south and north effectively creating the Nerubians and C'thuns Aqir, the remnants of that Empire? Why retcon the one cool thing they've ever done
>>333839008
They did but that was before C'thun was awoken.
>>333838928
He's working with the Ebon Blade and recreating the Fourt Horsemen; with Tirion none the less. Bolvar is the best fucking Lich King.
>>333839129
I wonder if he's going to get re-corrupted ashbringer when the expac ends so that he can have it as loot in the inevitable naxx 3.0
It could be worse. I read/own a light novel side story for Devil May Cry 2. It's as bad as it sounds.
The only good vidya LNs i've read are the Dead Space ones.
>>333839129
>with Tirion
Who fucking cares
They have Whitemane
The slut goddess from Scarlet Monastery is back and there will be more porn of her
>>333839370
It's just funny to me.
"Put the helm on me, Tirion. I'll be the jailor of the damned, it's not your curse to bear. Oh, and I will ressurect you as undead someday, don't worry about it."
>>333827358
/lit/ here, keep your terrible fantasy shit off our board.
>>333839129
>Okay Ner'zhul and arthas, what is the lich king supposed to do
>Kill the fucking burning legion you twat. That's the whole point, they're the jailers of the jailer of the damned.
>Say no mo, I have the man for the job. It's also gonna be so ironic.
>>333839261
>Implying legion isn't the last xpac
>>333839515
>Not enjoying some good trash fantasy every now and then
>>333839652
>Blizzard
>Killing their fattest cash cow
sure they've lost lots of subs but millions is still a lot of income
>>333835563
We have not killed an end raid boss literally ever.
>My boy KT with his Phylactery
>Illidan LOL ETERNAL DEMON SOUL
>Tyrion got Credit for Arthas, little bitch
>Thrall stole the worldfirst Deathwing kill
>GARROSH'S FATE WAS NOT FOR US TO DECIDE
>Archimonde can't die because lore
We have never had power.
>>333839868
they wouldn't kill it, they would just not produce any more expansions, which means less costs for them and they get to milk all the fanboys that will stay subbed anyway
>>333839968
>>Archimonde can't die because lore
Alternate timeline Archimonde can
>>333839968
>yfw legion is the last xpac becausePCs finally get full of everyone's bullshit and just murder everything permanently once and for all
More proof that fanfictions are better than commercial writing.
>>333839968
fuck me, you're right
>>333838319
Despite all his qualities and his art he wasn't a Christian
>>333830206
Seriously. I remember eating this shit up when I was younger. I guess the only good that potentially came from it was it eventually leading me to better fantasy, like Jack Vance.
>>333840080
But it's not alt-chimonde, it's our Archie. Don't you read blue posts? There's only one burning legion, who gives a fuck about time bullshit.
Besides, WoD never happened, a new Guldan just appeared out of nowhere according to Blizz
>>333840080
There is no alternate Archimonde. There's only one Legion across all time lines
>>333840305
>>333840331
links to sauce
>>333840080
>He never killed him either, he just took a nap
>AND WE THOUGHT HE WAS DEAD
>>333839968
Lady Vashj.
>>333839806
Yeah, and you can discuss it here or on /tg/. /lit/ is Literature, not books.
>>333838572
>Because even though we saw him die and looted his dead corpse, lol he never died, and was captured instead. Seems the only way to know for sure someone died is to see them get decapitated and split into a million pieces.
No, he's dead. Maiev put his body and soul into a huge ass gem so that he would suffer for eternity in the Vault of the Wardens, but then Gul'dan stole it and put it in Black Rook Hold, which is causing Kur'talos and all of his men to come back as ghosts and think it's still the War of the Ancients and everyone else are demons.
>>333839514
From what I hear, Bolvar got everyone's permission to rez them
>>333839806
Why the fuck would I want to read that garbage when there are perfectly good books that haven't been read by me ?
>>333840331
>>333840305
I don't really think they put any logistical thinking into this. You've gotta think how many times has Kil'jaeden/Archimonde corrupted the orcs and had a serious face about it? I think perhaps between the spoilers that HUEs are posting and the old tweets we've lost what is actually said in the Illidan novel, because I'm told that's where this is confirmed.
>>333835050
>that day when we are fighting nothing but angelic demons made of void
>patch 2.2 hits
>people need catch up on gear and need a loot pinata
>DA MOSS FLAYA NEVA GONNA FOGET
> DA MOSS FLAYA TRIBE COMING BACK FOR YA
>drop everything in the fight for the world and kill trolls for phat lewtz
>>333841216
>patch X.2, correctiopn
>>333830206
>>333830339
>>333831000
>>333840241
This quip
>"I like to think I am somewhat more sentient than my warglaives."
>"That is what makes you so dangerous."
ain't too bad, but the rest is irredeemable.
>>333830634
Get with the times, de-corruption is now the thing.
>>333841216
>mossflayers
>not severed Zul'Jins hand that gained a mind of it's own and is aching for vengeance now
NEVA GIVE UP
NEVA FOGET
NEVA DIE
>>333840735
Nah, he resses them first and then asks if they are okay with joining him.
>>333841659
>hey man i can combat ress, you ok with that?
>okay so there's these orcs
>turns out the orcs were being manipulated by an ancient evil
>the ancient evil is actually trying to destroy an even MORE ancient evil
jesus fuck is this the DBZ of MMOs? Since when did the power levels get so ridiculous? Why can't Warcraft be about, you know, war? Why does it need to ruin everything with all this metaphysical horseshit?
>>333826972
Warcraft and demons aside, this is some fanfic-tier writing.
>>333826972
t. xxxILLIDANXARTHASXXX fanfiction.net
>>333840547
Dumbest post of all time
it's /lit/
>>333842967
Metzen's daughter account?
>>333827409
They fucking turned Illidan into Pallidan.
What on earth, Blizz. What's wrong with you.
>>333843213
probably Metzen himself
his daughter just makes sure he doesn't write anything sexist
Jesus fucking christ
>>333827409
IS THIS REALLY ILLIDAN?
HOLY FUCK BLIZZ THAT'S STUPID
>>333826972
IT'S JUST A VISION, LADS
THE TRUE CHAMPION OF LIGHT IS OF COURSETHRALL FUSED WITH MALFURION
PREORDER LEGION FOR AN EXCLUSIVE SHORT STORY
t. Metzen
>>333843327
>>333843523
that's a holy dreadlord not illidan himself
holy demons are the new cool
>>333835290
This is a surprisingly deep post that highlights the major problem with popular culture these days. The big evil now in Warcraft is "nothing", a formless void. This highlights the modern idea that there's no such thing as evil - everyone is inherently good, and people only do bad things because of upbringing, or twisted versions of an original pure and good culture, or "corruption" by said nothingness. It's quite alarming, really.
>>333843582
>It's Jaina babysits the future champion of the Light-episode.
>>333843523
Noh those are redempted dreadlords
>Illidan gets a redemption story that makes his a fucking pala-Demon hunter
>Arthas' soul is killed once more by Xxlegulisxx in order to reforge Frostmourne
Butt blasted is too weak a word to describe how I feel right now.
>>333840547
>Literature, not books.
>>333843861
>mfw Arthasfags lost
enjoy your corpse of a hero, senpai
>>333841595
>>333841216
>Shit gets rough>Bolvar revives the amani empire
NEVVA DIE!
>>333841216
Hakkar is still alive. Might as well pull out all the stops and reveal Hakkar's new blood empire with insane vampiric troll warriors using weapons that are made of blood.
>>333844302
WE GONNA BURRY DA LEGION HERE!
In all honesty I don't think I'd be too mad about more Trolls. It's gotten formulaic as fuck, but damnit I just loved Zul'jin.
>>333840849
> there are perfectly good books that haven't been read by me
>is on /v/ reading shitposting instead
Gee, I wonder how good those books are.
> Zandalar is fucking sinking because LOL CATACLYSM
> We will never go there and fight King Rastakhan
> We will never go to Undermine and do underhanded shit for the Trade Princes
Why even bother anymore?
>>333846972
Undermine should have been a thing in Vanilla so that way it would have been done good.
>>333846972
K-Kul'Tiras?
>>333834119
He's a Long Fellow
>>333847357
It almost was. Would've been nice as some kinda Shattrath but instead of Aldor/Scryers you've got different cartels instead.
>>333847567
Super doubtful.
