If Fez was released in 2005, people would laugh
If it was released in 1998, Fish would be considered worse than John Daikatana
Why 2016 he is considered a good game designer?
Because he's part of the indie circlejerk.
>>333819040
Idk, since I looked at the process of making a game I have a lot of respect for people who have that kind of patience and skill.
I hope you made a game as good as Fez.
Have you actually played it?
It was a pretty solid game, and unlock daikatana you could actually.. You know.. Play it. It was functional.
Daikatana was literally unplayable due to pathing issues, AI being absolutely retarded and the entire experience was generally buggy to the point where it wasn't worth the time to play. At least Fez is a little fun.
>>333819406
>Have you actually played it?
>It was a pretty solid game
Every thread there is a hipster
Undertale
>Have you played it? It's rock solid RPG
Goat Simulator
>Bad?! LMAO IT WAS FUN AS HELL!
I'm sicked of this fake "good solid game" meme.
>>333819406
>At least Fez is a little fun.
>>333819406
>It was a pretty solid game
Hipster low standard.
Go play some AAA from 2005-2006,2007 if you are really desperate for games. stop playing indie garbage.
>>333819564
What criticisms do you have of Fez's gameplay? I understand the dislike for Fish, but I'm genuinely curious what mechanics you didn't care for.
I thought the puzzles were interesting (with the exception of the ciphers which were just a pain in the ass) and the level rotation mechanics were enjoyable and rather unique.
>>333818763
>Phish
>considered a good game designer
Last I heard was he got laughed out of the industry for his own childishness, where the fuck are you getting this information, OP?
>>333819663
>What criticisms do you have of Fez's gameplay?
What gameplay?
Trying to solve cheap puzzles is not good gameplay in the first place.
>>333819564
>>333819564
anon, he was saying that op's claim that fez was just as bad if not worse than Daikatana is untrue, calling into question if op has even so much as played the game, due to the severity of op's misinformation.
cumon man, your yer brain.
and dont samefag so obviously, it makes you look dumber than you are.
>>333819564
Not him
Undertale is a solid game, just not the third coming of jesus like some people claim it to be, its a 7/10 with some great points but that's its
Goat simulator is memeshit, flavor of the month game, only good for making shitty lets play for retards
I haven't played FEZ yet, but I'm guessing its just a 5-6/10 game that indie-circlejerks overrate and blow out of proportion
Having your own opinions of things instead of just parroting whatever people say doesn't make you a hipster
11 posts
7 posters
1 of them is myself
OP is samefagging the fuck out of this sad thread
>>333819804
The thing was billed as perspective-manipulation puzzles from the get-go, with a focus on platforming and exploration.
It was explicit about what the gameplay was, so if you went into it expecting some mind-straining puzzles I don't know what to say. Puzzles and exploration isn't considered good gameplay?
OP made the comparison between Fez and Daikatana, and Daikatana had OBJECTIVELY worse gameplay. At no point does Fez actively prohibit you from continuing because there is AI that is utterly broken. It doesn't happen. There are no puzzles in Fez that keep you from advancing. Ergo, the gameplay is better than Daikatana, which involved waiting for idiot NPCs to wander around the map.
>>333818763
>every game is an AAA bullshit movie
fuck off
>>333820010
this, fez isnt amazing by any standard, but there are several fine lines between it and Daikatana
>>333819974
>5-6/10
That's actually lowballing it a little, I'd say. I considered it a pretty fun game in its own right, especially if you can nab it while it's on sale, or pirate it.
It's got a pretty good art direction in terms of level design, and the variety of areas is surprisingly interesting. The rotation puzzles are simple, but satisfying, and it's pretty short. I finished the main game and some of the bonus puzzles and levels in around 10 hours, so it's got enough content to justify a $5 price tag.
>>333820010
>with a focus on platforming and exploration.
WOW
THERE IS A LOT OF EXPLORATION ON FEZ
>being this brainwashed
Daikatana after PC patches > Fez
>make a controversial statement
>get replies
this OP doesn't even deserve a (You)
>>333820208
>WOW
>THERE IS A LOT OF EXPLORATION ON FEZ
There actually is. If you're just going to make incorrect claims, there's no way to have an actual conversation here.
"Fez is a solid game" reminds me of the lie that Wii U is a powerhouse
www.gamespot.com/articles/donkey-kong-metroid-prime-dev-calls-wii-u-a-powerhouse-confirms-new-game/1100-6418032/
>>333819564
You didn't answer the question
>>333818763
That's not true anon. Your statement doesn't make any sense if you've played more than 5 minutes of the game.
Have you tried playing the game?
>>333820305
Going from one shit side to another in a blurry and ugly 8-bit game is not exploration my friend.
>>333820324
Judging by his inability to actually mention a single gameplay element from Fez and
>>333820208
I'm pretty sure the answer is 'no'
>>333819804
>Trying to solve cheap puzzles is not good gameplay in the first place.
Fuck off back to your call of duty kid.
>>333820367
>It doesn't count as exploring unless the graphical fidelity is high enough
>>333820379
>a single gameplay element from Fez and
>implying Fez have good gameplay
>Implying there is more than puzzle retard solving in Fez
I'm enjoying this living hipster.
>>333820010
>goes onto detail, being objective in his judgement, and giving a useful statement about the game.
>>333820208
>uses random caps, attacks an anonymous posters integrity, and elaborates on absolutely nothing
shitposters gonna shitpost i guess, only question is if its actually op
>OP samefagging this hard
>never gives any statements why the game is shit, only "muh grafix"
That's it, /v/ needs ID's, shitposting would be reduced a lot
>>333820508
>hipsters liking shit games
>OH WOW GUYS THERE'S CONTENT LIKE TURNING FUCKING BLOCKS
>buying the latest shit some loser shits out on kikestarter
>wanting to have a 'convesation' about pieces of shit like fez
Come back when you get some taste.
>>333820502
>>333820686
fez, while being nothing special, is not nearly as bad as you vaguely claim it to be.
and nobody here is particularly praising it either.
so the conclusion is: this thread is b8, op is being an autist, nothing new move along.
>>333820686
Ok, OP, so what do you define as "taste"?
What games are that good? I want to know, tell us
>>333820508
>attacks an anonymous posters integrity
>Le indie gamer merchant
I personally don't like Call of Duty but I'd rather play CoD or Battlefield than Fez.
>>333820674
>That's it, /v/ needs ID's, shitposting would be reduced a lot
>Everyone who disagrees with me is Hitler and deserves to be banned.
>>333820807
That guy is not OP, I am
That post you quoted is bait, you know that.
Don't be that hipster. At least not that much.
>>333820807
Oh-ho-ho! Finally, someone expresses the desire to acquire taste, and better themselves as a human being, unlike the uncultured swine that believe Fez is anything close to being a real game.
Try something with some real gameplay mechanics, like Devil Daggers, or Darkest Dungeon, or Dark Souls.
In fact, just pick whatever has the edgiest name, it probably has more hardcore mechanics than something named fucking Fez. That's a stupid hat anyways, and you should be ashamed for considering it worthy of approaching the grand majesty of a REAL GAME like The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim or Metal Gear Solid V: THE PHANTOM PAIN.
Now excuse me while I go masturbate to something equally grimdark and suitably angsty.
so, anybody wanna actually talk about games like fez? eventually shitpost kun will either leave or do something to get himself banned, so we might as well make the most of this thread.
>>333821007
>In fact, just pick whatever has the edgiest name, it probably has more hardcore mechanics than something named fucking Fez. That's a stupid hat anyways, and you should be ashamed for considering it worthy of approaching the grand majesty of a REAL GAME like The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim or Metal Gear Solid V: THE PHANTOM PAIN.
Bait again
These lying hipsters never learn.
>>333819804
Gud b8
How to identify hipsters:
"I'm going to buy Fez and prove that indie gamers are here to stay. even if the game is bad I'll say that is better than AAA games because I must praise hipsters developers"
Fez was a cool game, but not really for me. It was so slow and the map was so shit that exploring felt like a chore which is a nightmare in a game that's mostly about you running around exploring and solving puzzles.
>>333821296
>It was so slow and the map was so shit that exploring felt like a chore which is a nightmare in a game that's mostly about you running around exploring and solving puzzles.
Expect hipsters saying that you are a CoD player in 3...2...1
>>333821227
wait who is even saying that? god man youre b8 needs work, hell i can do better than that
also,
>>>333820929
if yer gonna namefag, at least be consistentunless he was genuine, in which case good work, you are improving
FEZ AND UNDERTALE BETTER THAN CALL OF DUTY
>Hysterical hipster
>>333821072
I thought Fez was ok, but as far as indie puzzle platformers go The Swapper had a lot more going for it. The claymation, the atmosphere, the existential horror implied by the mechanics, the story, all put it leagues above Fez.
>>333821072
>Games like Fez worth playing
Hyperlight Drifter just came out, it's pretty fun, although some of the challenges are a little bullshit. The combat can be a little wonky, but I enjoyed exploring some of the areas, and it's a bit more grim than I was expecting.
It's not really very similar, but they're both good 2d sidescrolling games with platforming elements: They Bleed Pixels is a pretty fun beat 'em up action-platformer that you can grab on sale for like $3 if you enjoy combo-based games.
Guacamelee is pretty gud. Ittle Dew is a shitty Zelda-like game about pushing blocks around, it's like 2 hours long and is mildly amusing, plus it's getting a sequel. La Mulana is a bullshit puzzle game with some fun exploration, but it's frustrating.
If you dig puzzle games, do check out the Witness if you haven't already. Pretty fucking good puzzle game. Also really enjoyed Hexcells - it's like Minesweeper puzzles, but better.
>>333821493
COD PLAYER!
GO PLAY COD!!
WAIT , WHY ARE YOU NOT PLAYING CALL OF DUTY!?
fuckit, think we can get barnyfag in here? he never sleeps soo. . .
>>333821493
>>333821524
coo
>>333821546level with me nigger, you genuinely believe this? or are you just practicing? cause you are being haphazard as shit
>>333821227
>>333821380
>>333821459
>>333821546
Just game media circle jerking. Gaming is the only form of media were the journalist still has any impact. Think about it, books, movies, music? No one lets reviews effect if they consume them.
I think it because gaming as a media is young. Give it another 20 years and people will laugh at game journalists. I mean everyone know the movie Boyhood is a joke but the smell sucking movie reviewers who give it good reviews to feel smug
>Fez is a good game
>Undertale is a good game
>RoR is a good game
/v/ sure got amazing standards.
No wonder why indies are not even trying.
>>333818763
fez is great but phil is a faggot
The only reason it was considered popular was do to a convoluted ARG involved with the game. Other than that there is not much to it.
>>333819679
Game design has no/little correlation with Fish being a petty, whiny faggot.
>>333821980
and?
>>333818763
>Why 2016 he is considered a good game designer?
He isn't. You've been reading too many blogs run by douchebags out of the West Coast incestuous circlejerk (and their hanger-ons) they call gaming journalism.
fez was great
fun, cute, great music, world was beautiful, plenty of neat touches. I'd buy it again.
>>333821980
I don't like Undertale mane but saying it's not a good game its being retarded, for what it doesn't has in gameplay and graphics makes up in writing and development values, as Indie games should be
I rather have 10 Undertale clones than 1 more game that plays like Firewatch
>>333822596
>Firewatch
It was pretty okay, but fucking HELL that ending.
Looked beautiful, everything else was meh, and that last bit was just terrible.
>>333822160
Also the parallels it drew from Cave Story and the the revolving the camera mechanic got people interested.Fez also arguably looks cleaner than Symphony of the Night, and probably wouldn't catch a lot of hate if it was released during this time. Hell Cave Story doesn't look good and it was crazy popular here in the late 2000s
>>333821980
Risk of Rain is fun though, and /v/ did a total 180 when Undertale released.
but honestly, learn to think for yourself and don't listen to the /v/ hivemind.
>>333822596
>>333822758
>Firewatch, Undertale
Both are pretty terrible as far as the "game" aspect is concerned. If anything, I'd give them that they are a "good read", if you can get past the teen level and cringe jokes of Undertale, but that's pretty much it.
Makes me wonder if all those indies shouldn't just stop making games and make movies or VN instead.
>>333821072
I have put more time into the soundtrack than the game. I honestly can't stand how slow the movement speed is.
>>333822596
>your opinion is wrong
you underfaggots are fucking insufferable.
>/v/ likes Fez now
What the hell happened
>>333818763
Daikatana was just another FPS and its gimmick, the AI partners, was bugged as fuck. Fez is a serviceable game was some great design ideas. But you are judging by screenshots alone so it's obvious you have played neither so how would you know
>>333823181
Opinions, as it turns out, can be and often are wrong. Not knowing this means you're just a casual at debating.
>>333823485
/v/ actually liked Fez from the beginning. It's Phil they don't like, so it can make things confusing.
>>333823848
>Everyone
/v/ is never everyone. You just remember one side while other people remember another
>>333818763
>Why 2016 he is considered a good game designer?
Fez is considered an alright game
Phil Fish is not considered a good game designer by anyone except maybe retards
So while we're at it does /v/ like the Binding of Isaac too or am I the only one who did not understand the hype and didn't like the game?
>>333824052
/v/ is quite a hivemind. I have some strong evidence for that.
>>333819804
This honestly, a child could solve all the puzzles easily and the game itself is a fucking bore.
>all these Reddit kiddies who are trying defend this piece of shit
>>333822596
>it doesn't has in gameplay and graphics makes up in writing
I like Undertale but the writing is trash.
>>333818763
>2016
>People still don't know about the hieroglyph puzzles
People are talking about Fez in 2016?
I mean, it was hot for a minute when it first came out, but then it was called overrated even by people deep in the indie scene.
I know /v/ likes to hate everything, but let's not make up that people like things just to complain about them. This isn't a case like Undertale.
The thing is that the game led you either really easy puzzles and, well, the language ones that you have to decrypt. There's no sense of progression in difficulty, thus it's a tad boring.
>>333823485
GG literally invited Reddit in. I've always assumed that entire thing was just a huge ploy by indie SJW circlejerkers to cripple their #1 dissenters.
It's like the Turkish coming into Albania and saying "hey guys we should let those Czech in here so we can fight the Turkish" and then it ends in genocide.
>>333824536
Club Penguin
>hurr durr I don't understand why a budget title is put under less scrutiny than a full priced release
Fez is a fine game that gets shit on mostly by people who have an ax to grind with Phil Fish or indie games.
>>333821493
The Swapper was great. Puzzles were a bit simplistic but the atmosphere was spot on.
>>333818763
corporate marketing has become the apex point of video games
seriously, why spend any effort on making a good game..when you can cynically half-ass it. but market it with all these cool buzzwords that trick you
now instead of critiquing games (which is just too hard because it actually requires you to formulate your own opinion based on experience) now you can just relax, play whatever shit game you got tricked into thinking was hot shit- and let all the astro turfers supply you with memes and buzzwords to defend your most recent purchasing regret from legitimate critique coming from people who've been playing videogames since they were fucking children
>>333824412
>but then it was called overrated even by people deep in the indie scene
Only in your wildest dreams.
>>333818763
It's a fun game but /v/ tend to give attention to game devs and not the game itself.
>>333819663
For me personally, it was the fact that it was effectively a walking simulator with no obstacles and puzzles required meta-game knowledge just to solve.
It's like, having to use a QR scanner or morse code doesn't make the puzzle hard, it just makes it tedious and breaks the verisimilitude of the game's universe when the only way to progress is through shit that only the player could know.
>>333822304
It does when he's praising a meh walk-a-thon as if it were the second coming of christ himself and modern gaming journos are more than happy to vilify his position.
Do you think someone like Miyamoto or Kojima could've gotten away with even a quarter of the bullshit that Fish has done over his "career?"
No, because when you hype something up that fucking much, you inevitably write a check that the game itself could never clear, even if it was worth the high praise in the first place.
