>VR hasnt changed in over 25 years
>Apparently this time itll be different
https://youtu.be/rVn3H93Ysag
Honestly, I'm just amazed at how professional the news was back then. If you turn on the news today, it's usually just a giant paid-for fuck show.
My response to you though, is that this technology was expensive as fuck back then. Not only that, but screens/IR cameras/computer technology is a lot better today, and a lot cheaper to produce. It will be different this time because of how easy and inexpensive it is to make high-quality VR headsets, compared to the low-resolution 1990's computer bullshit that you just showed me
>>333726243
To add to this, how many households even had a home computer in 1991? I'm sure there were millions of people with computers, but I'm also sure that only makes up less 1% of the consumer population
>>333726410
Oh, and to add to this OP is a faggot, you're welcome for the 3 bumps you prick. I bet this thread will die anyway
>>333725832
>That VR headset
Not a filthy prottie, but that's just spooky
>>333725832
1991
VR IS THE FUTURE
IT COSTS 1000s OF DOLLARS
2016
VR IS THE FUTURE
IT COSTS 1000s OF DOLLARS
One day vr will be nothing but a meme
>>333726410
Probably not many, i dont think i got a computer until about 95.96?
And i was one of the first at my school
>>333726735
VR already is a meme at this point.
>>333725832
>Pick up object in 3d space
>Place down object in 3d space
This is literally every game in vr on steam at the moment
>>333726868
I can see 20 year old hipsters in the 2020s buying old dk2s and pushing the backs out to be ironic
>>333726735
>IT COSTS 1000s OF DOLLARS
It's only 900 for the Vive and 700 for the Oculus. That's hardly 1000s of dollars.
>>333725832
>VR hasnt changed in over 25 years
Except for pretty much every piece of technology involved in creating it.
Idiot.
Im watching hackers and in that the baddy has a literal vive with the headset and hand thingies made me laugh
>>333725832
So why do you all care so much about something you will never buy?
This is like complaining the Tesla is a stupid car.
yeah why would technology change as time passes lmao
Why is everyone attacking OP? I See no difference between this and the games giant bomb was playing
>>333728979
Shills
>>333727085
>900 dollars is hardly 1000 dollars
why are you so fucking stupid
>>333725832
>technology has done nothing in over 25 years
You're literally retarded.
>>333729672
One thousand dollars is different from thousands of dollars, since thousands of dollars implies multiple thousands.
>>333729367
>STOP DISAGREEING WITH MEEEE!
>>333726735
>What is inflation?
>>333730327
Inflation works well the other way around imbecile
>>333726243
>My response to you though, is that this technology was expensive as fuck back then.
to be fair, its still pretty fucking expensive
>>333727085
>needs a minimum 800 dollar pc to even run
>>333728979
>he watches giantbomb
Maybe just put that as a disclaimer before you give your opinion
>>333729672
>1000 dollars is the same as 1000s of dollars
You truly are retarded
>>333730901
Er, what? The value of $1000 is lower today than in 1991.
>n00bs who fell for the VR meme and have a hole in their wallet doing mental gymnastics to prove VR isn't a joke aka meme
>>333728530
>Current car system
Driving car
Car running low on juice
Go to station get some more
Immediatly ready to go again
>Teslas future car
Driving car
Car running low on juice
Have to drive home or find a designated charging area
Have to wait several hours to get full charge before you can continue your journey
>>333729945
>>333731303
>hardly means same
Why are you BOTH fucking retarded?
>>333729843
Whats the difference between the picking up and dropping in that video
And every game for the vive?
>>333731242
I thought their VR show was fine, they were all realistic about the underwhelming games currently on display and not jerking off to "such immersion" and "so real" VR bullshit.
>>333731561
>several hours
>>333731303
in 25 years you only have to pay a thousand for a headset and a thousand for a computer instead of paying a few thousands for a headset and a thousand for a computer
oh gee
that 25 years of value
>>333731647
>>333731773
Electrical cars take fucking ages to charge
Theyre just a chasis full of phone batteries haha
>>333731901
>fucking ages
>haha
>>333731879
Nigga, at least follow the instructions of your post
>>333732002
I googled
>How long does it take to charge an electric car
And the first result was
"It takes 20 hours to fully charge a nissan leaf"
Sounds efficient
Instead of burning petrol as and when you need it
You burn through 20 hours of electricity
>>333732309
>OP said Tesla
>Find result for Nissan Leaf
>>333732309
>burning fossil fuel is bad for the environment
>use electric car instead
>charge it from electric grid
>grid is powered from plant
>plant burns fossil fuels to generate power
???
>>333732540
Power stations have better control of their emissions than cars.
>>333732540
>All power comes from fossil fuels
>>333732804
20 hours seems worse then the 1 hour it would take to get to town tho :/
>Price of VR in 1991
>$50,000 1991 (which is about half a million due to inflation)
>horrible prerendered graphics
>shit FOV, 240p resolution
>didn't work as advertised, horrible latency
>flops
>Price of VR in 2016
>$600
>realistic graphics
>decent FOV, 1080p resolution
>works as advertized, no latency
>price of VR in 2018/2020
>~$200
>lifelike graphics
>lifelike FOV, 11k resolution
>works flawlessly, has AR capabilities, is mass adopted
Gee, that sure is hard to comprehend. If anything, I'm amazed at how ahead of their time they were in 1991. To say that VR will flop now, because it flopped when it was less than good in the 90s, is like saying EVs will flop today because they flopped in the 90s. VR finally works like people imagined it would work back in 1991.
>>333732854
>Thinks the sniff of power generated by wind matters
>>333732953
>What is hydro, solar and nuclear
>>333732903
>VR in 2016
>virtual waifus become a hit
>2017
>feminists begin to fear for their role in society
>protests against men using virtual waifus
>VR developer studios burned to the ground
>2018
>VR is banned by federal law
>Waifus are outlawed
>Only outlaws will have waifus
This is how it will actually happen.
>>333732868
Tesla cars carge in 30 mins - 1hr at the Supercharger for free. Battery swap takes 1 minute, but costs 60$. Superchargers are solar powered. Power stations produce less emissions than petrol cars due to being more efficient, and the electricty of the grid doesn't come from fossil fuels alone, and is in fact moving to rebewable energy. Finally, you could power all the EVs with petrol burned at power stations, and you'd still have half the emissions produced by gas cars.
Check mate /o/
>>333733094
>Nuclear
>Clean
Chernobyl and Fukushima would like to have words with you, and the other two barely contribute anything.
>>333732953
France gets 80% of its energy from Nuclear. Nuclear is clean and safe, despite paranoia. If it weren't due to retards and lobbys, we could go full nuclear, full EVs in 10 years, and wipe emissions off the planet for good. The tech is all there.
>>333733464
>despite paranoia.
>Fukushima incident was in living memory
>Even the kids on /v/ saw it happen
>Half the Pacific remains irradiated
>paranoia
>>333733328
Nuclear power is sure as fuck a lot cleaner than fossil fuels. It's just that nobody bats an eyelid when people pump literally billions of tons of CO2 per year into the atmosphere, but everyone freaks out when a couple of japanese people get irradiated.
>>333733624
How much does it matter anyway?
We could run the country 100% clean and China would still pollute the world beyond repair.
>>333733624
yet people will queue up to get sick tans
>>333733328
>Chernobyl and Fukushima would like to have words with you
Compared to pretty much anything else, in terms of the amount of pollution, deaths and other factors, it's pretty much the best we have.
>and the other two barely contribute anything.
Depends on where you live.
>>333733328
Nuclear is clean as in they produce no emissions.
Chebrobyl was a disaster waiting to happen, since it was a first generation plant, with poor maintenance and regulations.
Fukushima happened due to one of the worst natural disasters of the last 100 years, and the situation was completely contained. It was cleaned up, 0 casualties, and today you can walk and have a tour of the plant, abd be totally safe. No only that, but the situation helped us learn of better ways to improve nuclear plants.
Modern plants are completely failsafe, and have a .00000000001% chance a meltdown, under which, the situation is totally controlled to prevent radiation leakage.
Finally, you get less radiation produced inside of a nuclear power plant, that you do when you fly in a plane (aside from the core).
Go watch Thunderf00t's video about nuclear power plants, he works at one, and records a reaction from the inside with his ipod.
Don't believe the propaganda, nuclear energy is perfectly safe. Look at France.
>>333733557
>half the Pacific is irradiated
Hello you uninformed imbecile. It's not. Go read up on it. You bought into propaganda lies. If the pacific was irradiated, the people of Japan, California, Hawaii, and all marine life would be dead by now.
Could there be a "good" VR dancing game?
>>333734046
I wish we could use nuclear power to make better spaceships so that we can blast our nuclear waste out into deep space and never have to see it again.
It's a self-solving problem in my mind.
Shame no one seems to give a fuck about space since the 60s.
>>333732953
southern Florida here. most if not all power comes from Turkey Point, one of the most vulnerable nuclear power stations in the U.S.
>>333726410
Computers back then weren't that expensive
the atari st and amiga 500 were dirt cheap
>>333734392
That's a very very bad idea. Modern rockets still have quite high failure launch rates. If one blows up in the sky, you then have tons of nuclear waste across a large part of the sky.
Containing nuclear waste on earth isn't a problem. One rod is about 3m long, and lasts for around 7 years of energy, the waste from that can then be put into a Thorium plant for 7 MORE years of energy. After that, the rod can be contained within lead containers to sheild from radiation at a waste facility. It doesn't take a large area to store nuclear waste, and if people are THAT paranoid, we can build the facilities 1km underground, since yeah, the waste takes 1000s of years to lose their radioactive properties, and the material CAN be used to make bombs.
However, Nuclear Fission would still be just a temporary solution till Fusion is fully figured out.
Tbh, that's much better than choking on CO2 and changing our planet's climate. Unless you want the whole world to look like Beijing, Nuclear is a great option.
>>333732903
Honestly I think all the people who says VR isn't going to go anywhere are just children. Born at least after 2000. Remember when people said the same things about CELL PHONES?
>>333731561
This is exactly what is wrong with VR.
People who don't know shit think up how bad it would be and complain about it.
>>333733225
>2019
>Hololens and Magic Leap are released
>the outlaws rise up and world war waifu begins
>>333734389
Which includes a vest with haptic feedback to simulate your waifu resting her head on your chest, I'd never wake up from that dream
>>333735106
Can't wait for fusion power plants. How many of those would we need to meet the world's energy needs?
>>333735113
Honestly, nobody gives a fuck about your opinion until you elaborate it. It's an anonymous board, for fuck's sake.
And I too, think we are not ready for VR. But I don't shitpost this hard.
>>333735113
Not about cell phones, but I do remember scoffing at having a touchscreen on a phone. How would you even text without having your thumb on a pad of physical buttons?
Also, tablets aka overgrown phones that you can't even call someone with.
>>333735106
If thats true, then WV, the U.S. biggest producer of coal, would be a waste land.
but unlike China, they go by strict regulations
>>333735143
>world war waifu begins
please continue
>>333735106
To follow up on this
>nuclear plants and EVs are a bad idea
No, fossil fuels are a bad idea.
Gas cars are a bad idea.
It is literally unsafe to walk around Beijing, Shanghai, and many other Chinese cities without a mask since the dense pollution WILL kill you. On most days, they don't even see the sun. They have to fire blasts of Iodine at the sky to force the rain and clear up a bit of the sky for a couple days. Is that how you want the whole world to be? Because it can be in just a few decades if we don't turn shit around. With skies like those, Solar and Wind are no longer viable energies. Switching the transportation sector onto the grid, and making it full nuclear while we continue to develop wind, solar, and fusion and make that transition is THE ONLY solution we have atm.
Businesses don't think long term, they think in immediate profit, and if big oil can continue to maintain its current status quo, and establish its empire in Arabia, it will. They give zero fucks because they're the super rich. They will gladly put out all sorts of propaganda and misinformation to continue to stay on top.
Nuclear fission is a good option. Learn about it. Read about it. Read about how it works, and inform other people... Unless you wanna end up like Beijing, not able to see the sun, and choking on CO2 everytime you leave your home.
Thank fucking God Tesla pushed the EV, and that Chevy, Volvo, and Mercedes finally followed suit. Even if it's slightly less convenient than a petrol car due to having half the range, it's much better than the alternative path. We'd be fucked otherwise.
>>333728530
it draws developer attention away from making fun games instead of gimmicky shit.
>>333735418
ITER goes online in 2020, but its experimental. If all goes well, we can see mass produced fusion by 2050.
Fusion has 5x the output of Fission.
Fission has 100x the output of Chemical reactions (coal).
To give you a number, 80% of France's energy comes from Fission, and they have around 90 plants I think. The US has just as many, but Fission only covers aroubd 20% of their energy. Now compare both populations. That should give you an idea of how many Fusion plants you need to power the global grid.
>>333735597
US ain't much better family, pic related is LA.
Also, China's population is more concentrated, and much much bigger than America's (I can't remember tge exact numbers). It's less about regulations, and more about needs. And yeah, the US's energy sources are much varied (around 20% is powered by nuclear), wheras China relies almost entirely on coal. Still, both countries have the biggest carbon footprints on the planet. If anything, I'd say the fact that the US isn't like China is testament to the benefits of nuclear energy.
>>333737068
How's the saying go
"Fusion is 35 years away, and it always will be"
>>333737068
>If all goes well, we can see mass produced fusion by 2050.
Haven't people been saying that kind of thing since the sixties?
I mean, is there even a proposed mechanism of how to actually get the energy out of the plasma? And also to stop the stuff from turning the walls of the tunnel radioactive.
>I can't remember tge exact numbers
1.3 billion to 300 million, I think.
>that video
Woah... so this... is the power... of PSVR...
>>333736309
Why doesn't someone just invent a smog powered power plant?
>>333725832
reminds me of the reports from robocop
>>333731491
>n00bs
kek lmao, my mum didnt give me money for it either xD
>>333737754
Second law of thermodynamics: you can't unfuck something without fucking something else even more.
>>333725832
VR is a meme until somebody creates a fully vr mmo
>>333725832
>>VR hasnt changed in over 25 years
>>333737267
That's literally a meme. We've made plenty of progress in Fusion, and about a decade ago, we figured out how to have contained Fusion, with the use of powerful magnets.
We've been able to create uncontained Fusion reactions since the H-Bomb.
It was the discovery of the new containment techniques that allowed international funding for ITER to go through, since now that we've figured out how to contain it, we're gonna try and turn that energy into usable energy, which shouldn't be very hard as it'll probably use turbines lile everything else. So this time around, Fusion is 4 years away, and 34 years away from mass production due to massive costs. The problem we gotta solve now is getting the reaction to produce viable amounts of energy as the electromagnets require insane amounts of electricity. Fusion has to turn a net positive higher than Fission to be worthwhile, and the key lies in converting nuclear energy into electric energy in the most efficient was possible, so little is lost in the conversion progress. Turbines, which is what we use for everything (Coal, Fission, etc...), have a 20% efficiency. But we don't know of any other methods for convering energy.
>>333738003
Nobody can create a fully VR MMO right now. The player base doesn't exist.
>>333738086
At the very least they could make a mmo that allows for a first person perspective.
>>333730901
Yeah meaning your $1k today would only be worth $567 then and that isn't even correcting for standards of living, income, etc.
>>333738062
>We just learned to contain plasma with magnetic fields
Uh, no, plasma physics under containment is something we've known about for more than fifty years. Stellartors were popular designs in the 50s mate. We've got better modeling due to supercomputers, but there's been no breakthrough like you are talking about "about a decade ago".
>>333737448
People have been saying that since the 69s because that's when fusion was discovered, see >>333738062
Only thing is, people forget that fission was discovered in the 1910s with Einstein, and wasn't turned into a weapon until 1935, and an energy source until the 50s.
It just so happens that Fusion is a fuck of a lot harder to contain, and maintain than Fission. The Electromagnetic forces keeping the atoms apart are a lot stronger than the ones that keep dense atoms together.
I'm gonna get a headset when they get cheaper and more games are hacked or just natively supported. The waggle sticks can fuck off.
>>333731561
Not many people need to drive over 200-300 miles on a daily basis
>>333731402
he said THOUSANDS
>>333738427
Isn't fusion just smashing smaller atoms into larger ones?
>>333738383
I dunno the specifics man, I'm no physicist, I just read a lot, so I ofteb forget finer details. I just know that Fusion is for real this time since the torus tube structure was successful. I don't know the exact dates for all this though.
Iirc, we switched from linear plasma containment, to torus fairly recently. Correct me if I'm wrong through.
>>333738558
Hydrogen atoms with Heliem-3 iirc. Yeah. But you gotta contain a miniature sun in the form of plasma, that shit ain't easy. It's a lot harder than spliting a uranium atom, and letting that material decay to produce long-burning energy.
>>333738558
Yes - the sun fuses hydrogen into helium providing all the energy for our planet (besides energy from fission)
>>333738610
Mate I don't know much more than you, but if you mean Tokamak designs that was like late 70s when that became dominant.
>>333737967
What if we put the smog into an underground containment facility?
>>333725832
>Those polygons
>That low frame rate
>All that clipping
>People back then thought this shit was revolutionary
Man we really are jaded.
VR didn't take off in the 90s because 3D rendering technology was so primitive that it had unappealing graphics and low framerates that led to motion sickness
Now that technology has improved and multi-billion dollar companies are staking their claims, VR can take off to be used in homes, tech shows, arcades and more
>>333731654
Aside from the concepts of VR and motion input, literally everything.
>>333738995
Yeah, I was referring to the Tokomak designs, I thought that was more recently than late 70s...
If that's the case, why the 40 year hold up? Funding?
Why did it take them till 2007 to finally decide to build ITER?
>>333725832
>VR hasnt changed in over 25 years
But that is objectively wrong you fucking retard
>>333725832
>$50,000
ITT mad as fuck shills.
Don't you have job simulator to play?
>>333738995
not the guy you were talking to, but I think he's talking about the new German reactor. It's not based on the Tokamak design.
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NN-German-fusion-reactor-achieves-first-plasma-1612154.html
>>333739369
because its really fucking expensive
plus its not like iter is the only test reactor
didn't they achieve break even at some point in the nineties
>>333738086
>The player base doesn't exist
It's called Second Life
>>333739180
It still causes motion sickness. And it didn't take off because it was too expensive, closes people off and does't add anything substantial. The same problems still exist. Normal people don't play games to "immerse" themselves.
>>333738086
>The player base doesn't exist
Man wish there was some chinese cartoon to advertise it as the best thing in the world.
>>333739578
>>333739737
Player base as in people who actually own VR headsets.
>>333739369
Tokomak was designed in the late 70s, and between 1982 and 1997 they built the TFTR where they did hundreds of tests and experiments for Torus nuclear fusion containment. It wasn't until after 10 years after TFTR shut down that the G-12 collaborated to fund the construction of ITER, as a test reactor. That's why.
TFTR was the base for ITER, abd they needed 15 years of experiments to see if it was doable. When they could prove that it is, then they had to go through 10 years of politics to get proper funding for the experimental reactor.
If ITER is a success, and can produce energy, then we can truly see the mass production of ITER clones a few years after.
>>333725832
>>VR hasnt changed in over 25 years
>Better tracking
>Better resolution
>Better visuals
>Better controls
>Better construction
Just because a horse carriage and a car both have wheels, doesn't mean transportation hasn't changed.
>>333739780
Right. That's why dvd never kicked off. Because not every person on the planet had a player for them on Day 1.
>>333739959
Why would you build an ITER clone? ITER will never be able to produce electric power. It's n experimental reactor, not a power plant.
>>333732953
Solar power has already become cheaper than fossil fuel, get with the times gramps.
>>333725832
Millennials will eat up anything that's thrown at them.
>>333739515
Stelerator is really old, one of the oldest designs, I mentioned it in one of the earlier posts. Think that started moving along because of better computer modeling of plasma flow, as well as better high temperature superconducting materials.
But then again I'm just half remembering a nature article on it when it started up.
>>333725832
>comparing shitty 1991 technology that costs multiple thousands of dollars to 2016 tech that costs 700
Why are VR naysayers so fucking stupid?
>>333726243
I agree but vr is expensive as shit today too. Most of my friends who are really excited about vr can't afford it.
But yeah, in the 90s a vr headset would be 1000s of dollars.
>>333740075
Fuck this, what happens when we run out of sun because of all these solar panels?
>>333740075
Go buy some solar panels you obnoxious homo.
>>333740061
Not him, but aren't they building DEMO and many other experimental plants after ITER? All scheduled for around 2050?
>1991
>games looking like pic related
>gee I wonder why nobody wanted to spend thousands to immerse themselves in this
>>333731879
>At least 10 words
>Post was only 9 words
Congratulations on following your own instructions retard.
>>333741003
>1991
>Duke Nukem 3D
faggot
>>333741329
The fact that it came out 5 years later doesn't exactly hurt my point
