>Want to get into the Souls games
>Don't want to use a walkthrough
>Pissed off that the game expects me to just know X Y and Z and punishes me for it
what is XYZ and what dont you understand
stop being a baby and play the game
>>333689875
>Pissed off that the game expects me to just know X Y and Z and punishes me for it
Never had that issue with Dark Souls 1.
Can't say the same for the others as I haven't played them yet
I played through DS1 having close to no knowledge about the series and had a great time. Stop being a little bitch.
Your first time In a souls game should be clearing every room as careful as possible. Maybe cheese with bows and arrows, aggroing one enemy at a time so you don't get overrun, who gives a shit.
If you try and go all in like streamers (who actually play souls games 20 hours everyday) you're gonna get your ass handed to ya.
>>333689875
I just followed a mage walkthrough. Game difficulty is massively over-hyped.
>>333691759
>how do you upgrade weapons and armor?
>what upgrade paths do what? Like I don't know what effects lighting has or who's weak to it
>I get lost half the time and can't figure out where to go ot advance (I've always had this problem with backtracking in games)
>do I horde humanity or just use it whenever?
>will I get fucked over if I spend these boss souls?
>how would I have ever known you needed to hold unto boss souls' to make unique weapons and that you basically require these unique weapons to be viable character build later on
>what are raw weapons?
I love discovery in games. But it needs to make sense and not be arbitrary nonsense
>>333692490
>followed a walkthrough like a little bitch
>"guise difficulty was overhyped!"
>>333689875
Don't be afraid to look up the game's mechanics; there's a lot the game should have explained better, like how to kindle a bonfire and what that does.
Don't use a walkthough for the game's progression, though. I did for a couple parts and always regretted it.
>not playing Demon's Souls first
>>333692590
You'd learn by experimenting. Or you'd pick a path and stick with it like I did. I started my first playthrough with a sword and shield like every other souls new fag and I turned it into a strength and faith build and threw lightning at people. Never knew it did bonuses or anything, but I was able to make it through eventually.
If you don't like that kind of game, don't play it.
>>333692889
>experimenting
>potentially fucking up 20+ hours and having to restart and doing all the same shit over again
Fuck that
>>333692590
just saying but if a game has an item called
Generic thing
and then there's an item called
Thing of the Great Demon God
Maybe dont use/throw away the great demon god thing, just a bit video game logic
>>333693019
You're retarded
>>333693019
>being such a wuss you can't handle making mistakes
>>333692680
Yes, thanks for repeating what I just said. Just in case someone may have missed it before.
>>333692680
>taking obvious bait
stop
>doesn't want to use a guide
>still wants to minmax
Get a load of this faggot. You don't NEED boss souls and most builds are "viable". You can beat the game SL1 naked in theory, so don't complain about some builds not being viable.
>learning the game is now 'being punished for it'
Fucking casual.
just started dork souls 2, and i had to look up how to use torches. cool mechanicby the way dork souls 2 is awesome. what is wrong with people
>>333693742
It's different from DS1 in all the wrong areas.
I got DS2:SOTFS and I absolutely hate it even with 800+ hours in DS1. Every room is just a clusterfuck of enemies that you have to deal with.
>>333693742
wait until you're 50 hours in and see if you have the same opinion
>>333689875
WHY CAN'T METROID CROUCH???????
>>333692590
>and that you basically require these unique weapons to be viable character build later on
lol?
>>333694153
>I got DS2:SOTFS
>Every room is just a clusterfuck
Because you got SOTFS. Everyone kept meme'ing about the amount of random shit put in just to make it harder. But some people ignored it i guess? Sofs is worse than vanilla
upgrade system is fucking retarded
>>333693019
You can either:
>A)
Figure this shit out in your first playthrough like most people who played these games did, despite what you've heard this shit isn't esoteric, it is fucking straight forward.
>B)
Use a wiki or something. You probably shouldn't for your first playthrough but whatever man.
You can easily beat Dark Souls with a sub-optimal build using Normal upgrade weapons and whatever you think is the best choice at the time.
You are currently experiencing something called analysis paralysis. If you simply take a course of action instead of agonizing over things you do not understand you will have a better experience than if you just sit there not knowing what to do.
>>333692590
>how would I have ever known you needed to hold unto boss souls' to make unique weapons and that you basically require these unique weapons to be viable character build later on
What the fuck are you talking about? I used the same mundane Longsword all the way up to NG+6.
>>333694781
STEP #1) GET MATERIAL
STEP #2) GET CURRENCY
STEP #3) CHOOSE WEAPON
STEP #4) GIVE TO BLACKSMITH
STEP #5) UPGRADE WEAPON
YOU WILL EVENTUALLY UNLOCK NEW ITEMS THAT UNLOCK NEW UPGRADES.
THIS IS NOT DIFFICULT.
IN FACT IT IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS EVERY GAME EVER, JUST WITH SLIGHTLY MORE VARIATION THAN USUAL.
THE ONLY RETARDED PART OF THE UPGRADE SYSTEM IS VAMOS AND THE GIANT BLACKSMITH BEING IN AN ANNOYING PLACE.
>>333693019
You literally can't fuck things up permanently unless you have a mental disability.
And definitely not any worse than I did, and I got lost and found myself in New Londo at SL14 and later on fought Sif at SL16 with starting gear.
>>333692590
>>how would I have ever known you needed to hold unto boss souls' to make unique weapons and that you basically require these unique weapons to be viable character build later on
By not being a fucking idiot and reading the soul's description?
>Soul of Sif the Great Grey Wolf, who guards the grave of Artorias the Abysswalker.
>Special beings have special souls.
>Use the soul of Sif, who inherited the divine knightsword, to acquire a huge amount of souls, or create a unique weapon.
WOOOOW WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THIS?
>>333695191
>played through the game with a broken RB first time
>set controller down by brolaire to grab drink
>kitten jumps on chair and messes with it
>hits RB, my char hits solaire
>forced to run back and fight him off, kill him because I'm not sure how to spare him and ask forgiveness (before I knew what repentance was)
>friends give me shit about it even though I never wanted him to die
;_;
>>333692590
God you are such a faggot. The game doesn't "require" you to worry about fucking anything like that shit.
>how do you upgrade weapons and armor?
Jesus I don't fucking know, how about the fucking requirements that the blacksmith tells you? Or are you honestly so clueless you can't figure out a blacksmith upgrades your gear? Stop being lazy as shit and find out everything for yourself for your first playthrough before whining the game doesn't hold your hand enough. You even worry about a "viable character build" like jesus christ are you doing some serious business PVP? Just play the game at your own goddamn pace and do what you feel is fun.
>>333689875
Just look things up as you have questions.
Part of the fun of From Software games is having to do your homework. It's like back in the day when you could buy those strategy guide things.
>>333689875
Gwyn is an old man, and a decrepit old boss that's piss easy to beat because of how long he's been feeding the flame with his own soul
Vendrick's wife was the bad guy all along
Fuck you, there's your guide.
I hope From makes Kings Field V and its labirinthine that you have to make pen-and-paper maps. Thank you miyazaki for literally saving video games
>>333695628
>vendricks wife
That DaS2 you mong
>>333695594
>Just look things up as you have questions.
Literally worst advice you could give to anyone.
First playthrough should always be blind. Once you're done with it, you can look up minmaxed OP shit or info you didn't know for the second play.
>>333695710
>spoiling both
reading comprehension
>>333691759
There was one bullshit area in Dark Souls im 100% sure that the absolute majority of playes wouldnt have found it if the game was released pre Internet time:
Ash Lake
>>333695778
Some people just don't like replay games even if it was fun and has good replayability
>>333694869mundane is in ds2
>>333695974
games like souls should have secrets like that. that area doesn't even have anything good in it. It looks cool as fuck though
>this is what the post-gamefaqs generation is like
>>333695974
And it's also 100% optional and only there for plot/story reasons. (Seeing the end of the onion questline)
Literally nothing wrong with having secrets, you're not always supposed to see 100% everything of the game on your first play.
I can't make fun of OP. I had the same problem
>light the kiln of first flame
oh wow. i can't wait to see what else there is in this game! through here i'll probably get to the painted world, and then ... the dlc? not sure but we'll see! ah take this gwyn , great lord of cinder. what's this a bonfire. oh. oh. oh congraturation u beat gem. undead asylum now you start agen from beginning
I was so fucking mad. I never got to see Painted world and i really wanted to . the dlc too
>>333689875
The game expects you know nothing. Have you ever experienced playing something for the first time? Have you ever had a gaming experience that wasn't about patting you on the head for being told to press A, then you pressing A? I'm so sick of you post-wii/mobile gamers that demand everything be a dumbed down casino game clone because you're too frightened of failure and somehow that incompetence makes you feel entitled. Games easy as fuck, stop demanding the world be as shitty as you are.
/thread
>>333697914
Wow you're so hardcore
>>333695696
Too many points in glare
>>333695974
I played dark souls completely blind and, honest to goodness, stumbled upon ash lake on accident. Also had a helluva time making it out once I was down there. It was as awesome as it was frustrating.
>>333695974
I mean i found it thanks to the ingame messaging system, but that does use the internet so yeah probably.
I think the Souls games are intentionally vague as to highlight their unique online system
It's one of the most unique aspects of the series, so it'd make sense to build parts of the game around it
>>333698134
No, I'm sick of people who grew up playing poorly obfuscated casino games pretending they have a leg to stand on complaining about a game being 'lel so absurdly punishing artificial difficult'. This generation of cuckgamers watch people be good at games, then whine when they aren't. They play games that tell you what button to press at all times, haplessly simple games (literally) designed to be played by 10 year olds and use that as their basis for how 'hard' a game should be. If that mindset is allowed to persist, it's down the drain for games with good pacing and gameplay. The death of challenge.
>>333689875
exploration is about you finding shit out
not all games have to spell shit out for you to do
>>333698134
What year were you born, faggot?
>>333698759
>>333697914
I've experienced games games that didn't bludgen you with excessive tutorial. But I've also played games that were obtuse and needlessly vague. Having unintuitive mechanics that don't ere well toward being understood through experimentation. Or stats that aren't described well and can't be respected easily or at all.
>>333699096
*respecced
>>333698759
OP was not complaining about the difficulty but about how things (areas, upgrade trees) tend to be hidden in the souls series
>>333689875
I would get into Dork Souls if it had a fucking map. It can be drawn as you explore, I just wanna be able to know what I already explored. And put markers down.
I can't help but wonder if Dark souls 3 will be more like DS2 SOTFS with rooms that have lots of enemies.
>>333699096
There's a button (select?) labeled 'describe stats' that describes every single stat you hover over. You are just dumb. You can generally figure them out, and you don't need a perfect build so even if you don't like how you specced something you'll be fine. Autistic about stats? Start a new game and do it right. My first character was an hour of me learning what I was doing because I never played before. My second character was level 20 in 3ish hours but I didn't like playing a magic user. 3rd character is a knight, just hit level 30 in 3ish hours - gonna out halberd those damn belfry gargoyles in a minute.
>>333696878
........so replay it?????
>>333699274
Areas being hidden isn't an argument in a game that blatantly uses exploration and backtracking. Also, your character has no idea what's going on or anything about the world they just entered - if your helpful handy tour guide handed you a lore book and told you that it was rock,paper,scissors where blah beats blah this would be an entirely different and wildly less fun and less enjoyable game.
>>333699831
ain't nobody got time for that
>>333699332
Or you could just excerise a very small portion of your brain know for its ability to remember things. Hell, you can even just stare at the environments since there's no loading screens everything's connected and you can see where areas connect from other areas.
There's always something that feels a bit stiff and clunky about From games. I just accepted it in armored core because it sorta made sense but by Souls it stuck out like a sore thumb. Maybe the animation I guess.
