How do people exactly discover secrets in Dark Souls?
I'm not talking about discovering which chest is a mimic or illusory walls, mind you.
How did they, for example, discover that in order to join the Warriors of Sunlight covenant you had to have a certain amount of faith? Or even better, that the requirement for the amount of faith points decreased with every boss you helped someone defeat?
>>333602305
By being gud
also doesn't most shit come from datamining anyway
>>333602305
The official game guide.
Strategy guides and data mining.
pc bros also people who have good brains
>>333602382
>>333602387
>strategy guides
Oh wow, I completely forgot that kind of thing existed. I feel like an idiot for making this thread now.
Wasn't the Dragon covenant accidentally discovered
Playing it when it came out and discussing it with people that were discovering shit for the first time as well.
>>333602305
probably the strategy guide
>>333602382
The guide doesn't say how to find the proud knight palfi sword, though, the community didn't find that until 2012.
>>333602451
This is one of the things I love most about souls. The rumors and shit too about the pendant, you hardly ever see that kind of stuff these days.
Word of mouth
>tfw thanks to datamining and the internet, there are no secrets that wouldn't get discovered and become widespread almost instantly
>some anon discovered the DLC on day 1
>>333602387
And fucking around.
The trifecta of secret hunting.
>>333602564
>the proud knight palfi sword
what?
>>333602935
I'm certain he's bullshitting.
>>333602602I bought in to the fucking pendant
>>333602983
He is
>>333603096
I did too
>there are still people who haven't found the coconut
It's a shame, it's a really useful item.
What is Lautrec's sitting pose called? I think it's pretty cool.
No one has explained the fucking pendant yet
>>333604453
What about it?
>>333604453
You trade it to snuggly who gives you an old witch ring. Equip the ring and talk to Quelaags sister to understand what she is saying.
>>333604453
itis a placebo for undeads to retain their sanity
>>333604221
How he sits like that in a suit of fucking armour is beyond me.
>>333604523
No I mean that thing about which the director said "oh lol we just put that in there but we're not gonna explain why"
>>333604571
all armor in dark souls is made of a synthetic metal organic that fully conforms and stretches with the user's movements.
Source: The innermost confines of gwyndolin's anus
>>333604702
It's 90% useless. You can trade it with the crow for some shitty item and that's it.
>>333604702
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-11-05-dark-souls-director-hidetaka-miyazaki-reveals-the-pendants-true-purpose
>>333603096
>roll thief
>choose pendant or old witch's ring as starting gift
The only way I play these days.
>>333602382
>>333602387
I honestly hate that shit. It was much more fun when you'd just play the game and find out that people managed to get different shit than you and trying to figure out why it is that way.
>>333604968
casuls will always buy the strategy guide, even if they're too retarded to get past the first boss then drop the game forever.
>>333604796
I wonder what the innermost confines of Gwyndolins anus are like.
>>333605026
AskAldrich
>>333605020
I doubt casuals are ones to invest in a strategy guide, despite your sentiment
>>333602382
>>333602350
I fucking miss the days where datamining wasn't an attentionwhoring contest, but rather many kept it hidden or secretive
>>333602305
Trial and error dumbass
>mfw people read the wiki on their first playthrough
>>333605286
>mfw I avoided almost all information about DS3
>>333602305
From are hacks, through and through. Every single souls game from Demons to Dark Souls 3 is obtuse as fuck not because the developers want you to learn, but because they are utter hacks. A huge amount of shit is never explained to you simply because of this.
The answer to how you get around this is guides and wikis. If you go in blind you are certainly going to miss out on a massive amount of content.
>>333604453
Official explanation is that Miyazaki wanted an item to troll people with. They did the exact same thing in one of the King's Fields games.
Lore explanation would be >>333604558 as you won't go hollow if you have something keeping you going.
>>333605436
>not telling you where every item, every secret, every piece of story is is being a hack
So every game ever made is garbage
>>333605417
You return to anor londo and fight Aldrich, who are gwyndolin
The last boss is a collection of everyone who ever linked the flame
Patches kills onion knight, who is yhorms friend and kills him with the storm ruler in the fight
Gwyns first born is a secret fight where you medidate next to a dragon
>>333602305
Nintendo Power.
>>333605436
I bet you're the same type of person that complains games hold your hands too often these days.
The only real thing they should explain better is how humanity gives you more defence, everything else is mostly fair
>>333605594
didn't read lol
>>333605573
>>not telling you where every item, every secret, every piece of story is is being a hack
Who are you quoting? Certainly not me.
>>333605632
There is a difference between holding your hand and being completely unjustified in the content you hide.
>>333605725
>A huge amount of shit is never explained to you
>If you go in blind you are certainly going to miss out on a massive amount of content.
You can beat the entire game normally just by wandering around the world exploring everything. I had no idea you had to go to the giant trees in ds2 but I went back to FoTFG because I remembered there was a king's door. I saw the glowing tree and activated it wondering what the fuck it did.
>>333605725
How exactly is it unjustified? Their intent was to fill the game with secrets they never expected anyone to find out on their own during their first or even second playthrough. They wanted the game to feel fresh each time you played it. Maybe you're just too casual to appreciate it.
>>333605895
>You can beat the entire game normally just by wandering around the world exploring everything.
Again, how is this relevant to what I was talking about? Thats rhetorically by the way I really dont give a shit. Stay on topic or dont post.
>>333605930
>Their intent was to fill the game with secrets they never expected anyone to find out on their own during their first or even second playthrough
Having hard to find secrets is one thing, but there are a huge number of features and content that is literally impossible to find unless you stumble upon it by pure chance. No thought, no skill, no hints or even slight suggestions of their existence. Not to mention entire gameplay features are poorly explained or not explained at all.
I love the entire series, but you are an absolute moron if you think it isnt obtuse as fuck for any reason other than From incompetence and expectancy that people will read guides to solve their undecipherable bullshit.
>>333602305
Devs talk about it online after the game is released because they can't help themselves.
Or more likely, with millions of people analyzing one thing all at once it becomes incredibly difficult to keep every aspect of that thing hidden. One person looking for one other person in a forest is an almost impossible task. But multiply the seeker by a hundred and then a hundred again.
>>333606216
>Not to mention entire gameplay features are poorly explained or not explained at all.
Everything is explained in the starting areas or via a early NPC.
>DeS, messages literally covering an entire section in the nexus, NPCs in nexus explain the basics
>DaS, Messages on the ground on your way out, NPCs that explain the basics in first area
>DS2, same as ds1 but placed in areas specifically to test them out, NPCs that explain everything in first area
DS3 will probably do the exact same thing. Stop being fucking oblivious to everything and running like a headless chicken through the game.
>>333606216
>impossible to find unless you stumble upon it by pure chance. No thought, no skill, no hints or even slight suggestions of their existence.
Again, that was the intent. Whether or not you thought it was acceptable is irrelevant. It's entirely optional stuff that has no impact on the core gameplay anyway. I do agree with you about the lack of information regarding core mechanics being a problem. That alone forces people to look stuff up, which is a slippery slope that usually results in people reading about secrets they were meant to discover on their own, likely by chance.
>>333606216
>huge number of features and content that is literally impossible to find unless you stumble upon it by pure chance
Examples except Ash Lake?
>>333606216
>Stay on topic or dont post.
Who the heck do you think you are in telling people what to do, faggot?
>>333602715
Shit sucks, man. Ill miss the THAT kid stories
>>333605286
>playing Bloodborne
>every boss I kill is a dead end
>go elsewhere, oh boy, another boss
>dead end
>keep doing this til I'm at nothing but dead ends
>have to ask in a Bloodborne thread for direction but nothing else
I just got sick of running into nothing but dead ends.
Eventually I ran into more dead ends.
I'm caught up now, but I haven't used a wiki yet.
>>333607771
Priscilla feets?
>>333607824
>>333607771
How to fug Priscilla?
>Guy notices something related to his skill points and covenant
>Guy hypothesis something based on observation and methodically tests it
>You fucking ask "How did they know this?"
How did they find out about calculus? or the existence of the ratio known as pi?
>>333607951
Thanks, senpai. I hope Miyazaki inserted his foot fetish into DS 3 as well. I dont think there were any qt feets in Bloodborne now that I think
>>333607452
>every boss i kill is a dead end
fuck your stupid
finding the forest is the only somewhat difficult task, and that only happens if you don't explore
Not gonna lie, I would have had NO fucking clue how to start the Oolacile DLC without looking online.
Like how the fuck are you supposed to know to get that item, and walk to that cave (a cave you probably searched previously, like me and knew it to be empty)
Thanks bamco for giving DaS Celebs 3 weeks of secret mining
Maybe I'll just continue staying away from the community after multiple playthroughs.
Is the character limit still 10?
>>333608171
Dusk of Oolacile
>>333608085
>Cleric Beast
Dead End.
>Blood Hungry Beast
Dead End.
>Those Witches in some woods
Dead End.
>Emily or what's her name
Dead End. (I do admit I didn't know I got a password from it for a while)
I had to keep running around to see what I missed, and kept ending up in the same places.
>>333608223
But she only appears if you quit/reload. Most people search the cave after beating the hydra and it's empty.
>>333608062
>>333608262
>Cleric Beast
Only one I'll give you.
>Blood-Starved Beast
Unlocks chalices which are a big part of the game if you want to get the best gems/all the trophies, etc.
>Witch of Hemwick
Unlocks Runes.
>Amelia
Literally have to fight her to continue with the main story.
Have you ever tried justnot going to places you've already been to?
Kinda helps when exploring.
>painted world
>I must need a crest or key to activate this
>LOL NOPE
>need a doll
>a fucking doll
>>333608661
I eventually finally found my way into the forest, and fought the Shadows of Yharnim.
There's a couple other paths I might have missed, but I finally have direction at this point.
There's not a single 'artificially secret' secret in DaS
>>333609000
>'artificially secret' secret
What the fuck does that even mean?
>>333608440
Whats up with the burning effect on the cape?
>>333609000
>The silver serpent ring
>The second hidden wall to the great hollow
>Knowing the parameters for the onionbro quest izalith
>>333608775
>The doll for whatever reason is in your cell from the beginning
>Have to jump off an elevator and do some performing to get to the birds nest
>Have to curl up like a fucking ball and wait a few minutes for the giant as bird to take you back to the asylum
>>333609167
Pretty sure that's the effect to show you're in 'human' form.
>>333609000
Joining the serpent covenant completely disappears if you talk to Frampt before beating the Four Kings. That's just completely unfair bullshit because obviously you're going to investigate a huge ayy lmao who suddenly pops his head out.
>>333609260
Looks fucking retarded and i love capes, hopefully theres some way or mod to turn it off
>>333609183
>The silver serpent ring
Okay that one is too hidden
>The second hidden wall to the great hollow
It's an optional location, there's nothing wrong with illusionary walls.
>Knowing the parameters for the onionbro quest izalith
There's nothing hard there, just don't kill the enemies before he fights them and fight with him, you'll be okay. His story won't continue if you'll do everything on your own or you'll just watch him fighting the monsters.
Slowpoke anon here, is the game confirmed 60 fps on mustardrace ?
>>333609260
Yeah, it's "kindled" form
>>333609470
Shut your whore mouth, it looks awesome
>>333609538
Yes, But apparantly has drops in some areas
>>333609574
I mean, the on fire effect looks and is a great idea, but the execution is poor as fuck
>>333607416
"That kid" is still around. Hell i had one all the way up to graduating high school
>>333609538
yeah you'll likely see 60 fps, don't worry about the "frame drop" it's a little over exaggerated
>>333609414
A secret doesn't have to have hints to it in order to be a good secret. Hell, too much hinting would even make it a bad secret.
>>333609604
Thanks
>>333605594
>caring about lore
da fuk lol
>>333609650
Why do you think so?
>>333609470
>hopefully theres some way or mod to turn it off
Not sure, but I think there is.
>>333609516
>first attempt
>talk to onionbro
>he charges in like a madcunt before I even get a chance to prepare
>dies
>second attempt
>arrow all the monsters so he can't die
>considers himself useless and fucks off to go hollow
>third attempt
>look online for a guide
>he has to kill a certain amount himself and take a certain amount of damage
That's a lot of shit for the player to be expected to know.
>>333609574
I think it looked cool at first, but I feel like it's going to annoy me after a while, especially since i'm a huge fashion fag.
>>333604221
I believe it's called the Dude
>>333604532
pendant gets you a souvenir of reprisal.
trading sunlight maggot gets you that ring
>>333609604
How does it run on the PS4?
I hear it's about the same as all the other Souls games on consoles, which is fine by me since that's where I play 'em.
>>333609690
>>333609604
>>333609538
My gf bought me the PS4 CE, but my pc can run it at 60 fps. I can either open the CE and play ps4 or spend the shekels on the steam master version, what do?!!
>>333602715
It could stay a secret if every gaming website didn't do an article on every secret like they do with GTA V fucking mods.
>Wow look at this new mod for GTA V!
>>333609516
>watch him kill the monsters
>speak to him afterwards
>he ends up dead
Why would me speaking to him AFTER letting him 'save' me fail his quest?
>>333609803
I can't be the only one who attacked him outside Sen's Fortress and got my shit pushed in by him.
>>333609909
Not that well, struggles to hit 30 mostly, dips very hard on the same areas the PC struggles to maintain 60.
Loading times are a ton better than Bloodborne's
The Cainhurst Castle unlocking was really cryptic for me. Had to google it, and am sure I wasn't the only one.
>>333610070
>Attacking an knight in full armor minding his own business
You depraved mf
>>333609414
You can still talk to him, just respond 'no' when he asks you the question.
>>333610154
How would you say it compares to DaS1 and 2 on the PS3?
I'd love to play it at 60 fps but at the same time i've been wanting to play Bloodborne for ages.
>>333610192
Easily one of my favorite areas in BB, chunks all day from those gargoyles
>>333610046
PC if you want the better frames, community and shit. PS4 maybe because a vidya game gift from GF is sentimental
I've recently got DaS1 on PC and am doing a depraved run, and it is more difficult than I remember.
I'm n Blighttown and it's sort of wearing on me. I'm only doing 21-30 damage a hit to Quelaag, and exploring Blighttown is a giant pain in the ass.
>>333610517
>PC
>better community
0/10 bait
>>333610192
As long as you managed to find the back entrance to Iosefka's Clinic (which should be simple enough since one of the most important parts of playing these games is exploring every little nook and cranny), finding Cainhurst should be easy. You literally just go through the area and pick up an item, and the item description tells you where to go.
>>333610517
>Better community on PC
We all no this isn't true. All those honor fags and all those trainer users say otherwise.
>>333609516
>Silver Serpent Ring
>Too hidden
You literally watch some giant rolling balls fall in a hole and stack up, and then they break a wall.
This is the exact problem that certain people have with half the people that play these games. They don't take time to explore or investigate their surroundings. It's like the comic with the observational player versus the artificial difficulty player.
For me, I found the ring because I followed the rolling ball down, saw the hole had a ladder, climbed down it and saw the balls were stacking and wondered what happened when they reached the top.
If you had trouble figuring that out, Souls isn't for you.
>>333608440
>fluffy tail
Is that Priscilla's daughter?
>>333610992
You're thinking of the gold serpent ring.
>>333607951
>absolutely nothing in the game has detail on feet
>except for dragonfu
they very well knew what they were doing, the fuckers
>>333610517
Not to be that guy, but playing a souls games with sub-30 fps (which I hear the ps4 is running) is damn near unacceptable when I know that I can be playing a superior version. Fuck, I guess I'll have to just use my paypal or amazon credit and go for it. Anyone know any legit gray market sites to buy cheaper? I might as well just keep the CE ps4 version unopened and get the steam version.
>>333611204
G2A, kinguin or greenmangaming
>>333611071
Hm. Remind me of the Silver one then? It's been a while since I had to track it down since it's second nature by now.
>>333610992
>observational player versus the artificial difficulty player
post it
>>333610992
The silver serpent ring was in the tomb. You had to fall of a ledge near the 2nd bonfire in the area and fight some skelly towers. I found it by running through once and having something (probably those fucking alligator skeletons) bite me and I fell onto said ledge. So not that crazy to think people would find it and that share the knowledge. To your point about the golden ring tho, I agree wholeheartedly
>>333611381
Not him, but the Silver Serpent Ring is in the Tomb of Giants.
>>333611370
GMG isn't a grey market though. All of their keys are store-owned and legitimate.
>>333605286
I'm gonna make it a point to not use any outside help my first playthrough
>>333610970
>>333610991
you've never played PC if you actually think hackers is a problem.
Source: 1500 hours on DS2 saw 2 hackers
dark souls wallpapers please
>>333611381
You have to drop of a ledge in the Tomb of Gints, next to a corpse. The ground that you land on can't be seen from above because it's too dark.
>>333611448
Oh right, the ledge drop. I remember seeing the item on top of a ledge I couldn't get to and followed the cliff back to the spot where the archer was.
Once again, an observational thing. This one was a little more tricky, but definitely doable.
I would argue that finding Vamos or obtaining Grant properly (ie: having to summon Paladin Leeroy for Pinwheel, otherwise he doesn't drop his equipment when you kill him as an invader) would be more obtuse, but even then, it's not bad if you keep your eyes open and focus on exploration.
>>333611627
This. They aren't all that common, easily avoided if you do find one, and the watchdog addon filters them out for you if you're playing DaS
Most of the cheaters are shitters anyway. I once got invaded by some colorful named guy in the Ivory king dlc cathedral with a lightning spear chucking sword and crazy ass long jump attacks with tracking, and ended up beating his shit just because other than the cheated stuff and abilities, he had no clue how to play the fucking game
>>333611071
Silver One is even easier, you can see it from the main path.
>>333611627
Honestly all the hackers I saw were from being a dirty ganker
>>333605594
>mfw my favourite god was slowly eaten alive
Seriously how the fuck did he not just kill that nigga
>>333611742
>>333612048
>he ate Papa Nito
he deserved better ;_;
>>333612085
do you or anyone happen to have one with all 4 knights, or a good O&S one
>>333612401
Didn't you kill Papa Nito
>>333611742
>>333611756
>can't be seen from above because it's too dark.
I love that everyone used prism stones for memevideo purposes while was dropping them off cliffs to see what underneath
>>333612085
>chicken legs
ffs From
>>333613368
I wish this was nonpleb wallpaper size
>>333609193
Literally the most overrated secret in the series, I found it no problem. Just from looking around I saw that there was a spiral staircase in the tower, but I was unable to find a way to it. So when I got to the elevator, it was obvious for me to jump off at the landing there, if not for the staircase than for some item hidden away. From there it was just a matter of noticing the obvious buttress that connected to the staircase.
Also, the stray demon was a fun boss fight
Literally with a guide or spend a shit ton of hours inspectioning every inch of the game.
For example in order to reach The great hollow and Ash lake you must hit an illusionary wall behind another illusionary wall inside a tree in the middle of lower Blighttown.
Shit was fucking stupid.
>>333613965
>Killing the first of the dead
>tfw cabra demon fucks me up every time
>>333608661
Have you other thought that just aimlessly wandering around isn't fun? Exploration of new areas is but not scouring the same fucking area to look for some minor detail you missed.
>>333614192
There are just too many places where one could potentially drop a prism stone that I didn't bother with them until crystal cave.
>>333611742
Lvl 104 having trouble with Artosias... can I summon a nigga? PC
>>333616975
>lvl 104
lol git gud
By complete accident. There's no information given in game to explain any part of the lore besides the opening cutscene.
