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>I can hear the musicJP OST > USA OST
>>333527840
USA is completely underrated.
Sonic CD was too good for this world.
>>333527939
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxhyuLpNm6I
>>333527939
This is true for all zones aside from Tidal Tempest.
>try to give Sonic CD another shot
>almost being able to cope with that jump sfx
>time travel mechanic kicks in
>takes like 30 seconds to change the stage
Nope.
>>333529390
Which version are you playing? I have the Sonic Gems Collection version, and the load times are quick.
>>333529390
What part of "CD" do you not understand?
But in all honesty, the time it takes depends on version. Gems Collection has the fastest transition, but only because it is technically inaccurate to the original (special stages move at double speed, and the water in Tidal Tempest is near-invisible in Gems Collection, among other things).
>>333529698
ok, maybe not 30 seconds, but this shit is unnacceptable, I tried it out on my Gamecube with a friend's disc of a collection of Sonic games
I need someone to mod the PC version to not have those long-ass animations, fuck. With today's hardware we should be able to run all 3? 4? versions of the stage at the same time, easily
>>333529914
>Gems Collection has the fastest transition
oh jesus christ, I can only imagine how long it'd take on a Genesis
What an absolutely glorious game. Sega should just give up making shit games and go back to doing original sonics. They don't even need to improve the graphics, they just have to make more ffs.
>>333529914
I didn't even notice the speed difference when I got Gems Collection. I should pop it back in and see.
>>333529997
On an actual Sega CD, it takes a few seconds from the white fade to get to the animation part, and a few more seconds after that's played to hear the music.
The HD port is the best version anyway, so no matter what just play that one.
>>333530295
I'll only play it when I find a way to replace that horrid jump sfx, thank you very much
>>333528442
Honestly whenever I play Sonic CD I always feel like it could have been a lot,lot better
They finally perfected the formula with Sonic 3 & Knuckles the following year
CD has so many great ideas that could have been executed better
>Great art style
But horrible art/graphic direction...everything looks so flat compared to Sonic 3 and a lot of times some stuff feels unfinished
>Interesting level design that's different from the main trilogy but fun none-the-less
But with the glaring fault of the levels being way too short and once you get done time traveling/fixing the future running through the level really feels underwhelming and not really fun(and if you play the game without trying to break the generators/explore it feels even more underwhelming)
>Wacky Workbench
What were they fucking thinking?
>Metallic Madness act 2
Confusing as shit level...really annoying
>Bosses only take 3 hits
Fucking heresy Sonic Team...FUCKING HERESY I SAY
>>333530413
I'm certain there is a way to do that in the Steam version. Someone replaced Sonic entirely with Metal as a mod, so replacing sounds shouldn't be out of the question if it bothers you that much.
>>333529281
better version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z0qUTFVrhQ
>>333527939
fact
>>333528442
Personally I think the level design is a mess. I get that's about exploration and using the time warps, but when you find a stretch that almost gets you there only to be stopped by a yellow spring in the floor that's when I start getting angry.
>>333530761
>if it bothers you that much.
do people have no standards? I couldn't stomach Sonic Adventure's 1970s Hanna Barbera tier sound effectsand animation, even 12 years ago (though maybe now I can enjoy them ironically at this point
The levels are complete clusterfucks, no recognizable parts whatsoever.
>>333529914
>special stages move at double speed
>>333530723
>Fucking heresy Sonic Team...FUCKING HERESY I SAY
why
>>333529914
It's not inaccurate
It's a port of the 1996 PC Version which has the Special Stage running at 60fps
>>333529997
In the '96 PC Port you have the option of disabling those animations entirely
The 2011 remaster is the best version overall although...
>Music is compressed because they decided to use the 510 Beta Versions which have loops
>"You can do Anything" and "Cosmic Eternity" are not in it because of Lyrics Rights(they got them sorted later...but Sega doesn't give a shit so they will probably never patch them in)
>Cropped 16:9 cutscenes
The good side of this is that you can probably mod the uncompressed Sega CD Music in
Has some good new shit like
>Playable Tails
>Sonic 2 Spindash
>>333531846
>music is now compressed
how is that a plus? and you can't disable the animations like in the 96 port? how come in 96 the PC got a port of Sonic CD, let alone have it be able to disable those animations while the Genesis couldn't do it?
>>333530057
>Sega should just give up making shit games and go back to doing original sonics.
They tried 6 years ago and the result was that turd called "Sonic 4" that I'd rather forget it ever existed
All the old talented members of the old Sonic Team are long gone
Gone is the creative Naoto Oshima
Gone is the programming genius Yuji Naka
Gone is motherfucking godtier level designer Hirokazu Yasuhara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2OWC5Hosv8&nohtml5=False
>>333530949
>lower bitrate compressed shit
>better version
No
>>333531846
>It's a port of the 1996 PC Version which has the Special Stage running at 60fps
For a frame-dependent game, this means the special stages ARE moving at double speed than what they should be, maybe even faster. It's inaccurate to the Sega CD original, because the Gems Collection version is a port of an already inaccurate PC version. The HD version fixes all of these issues.
>>333531334
Metal Sonic took exactly 0 hits my friend
He was the only good boss in this game
But seriously...3 fucking hits? Come on...it should be 8 fucking hits
>>333527939
WORK
>>333532016
>how is that a plus?
It's not...that's why I said "although"
>How come the PC could in 1996 while the Sega CD couldn't
PC's are more powerful duh
And why do you think the PC Version had updated cutscenes?(while the 1993 original Sega CD Version had those sort of MSPaint-like simulations instead)
>>333527939
I prefer most of the JP soundtrack but Tidal Tempest Present andStardust Speedway Bad Futurehave better US tracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYTedTVAdeY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0WAn8qEkOU
>>333532470
>For a frame-dependent game, this means the special stages ARE moving at double speed
They're not
Pretty sure they reprogrammed the special stages for the '96 PC Version...I think it's the same as the 2011 version to my knowledge..could be wrong
best track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDOyVG4qCqA
>>333533109
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c9lP4w7zrI
>>333532962
Skip to 4:26. Gems version is much faster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwKs6b8BIvI
>>333533613
Huh...seems you're right
Anyhow...the special stages feel much harder at 60fps regardless of the version...wish the Remaster had an option to lock the special stages at 30fps since it makes them so much easier
>>333533359
Have a Collision Chaostanza, Georgethat was really bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3JNneWFgyc
why was sonic such a good role model for kids?
>>333534521
what did sonic MEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAN by this
>>333534678
He meant "stop being a jackass you cunt"
>>333534521
This clusterfuck aesthetic makes me hard
>>333533359
best track in the game tbqh familam
>>333534901
I wouldn't call it a clusterfuck...it's pretty symmetrical and meticulously crafted artwork(same goes for the rest of the early jap sonic boxarts)...it's colorful as shit but it's not clunky looking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydZHhEPcDIo
>>333533359
Comfy as heck desu
>>333527939
>tfwI'm one of the only people who generally prefers the US soundtrack because I think it fits the levels more but still acknowledge that the JP soundtrack is overall better composed
>>333535652
The US soundtrack sounds like it's fitting to the stages
The JP soundtrack sounds like it's fitting to Sonic
The JP one is just straight up techno/house music that feels like you could have come across in the late 80s...in fact music in most sonic games feels like "real music" but it sort of almost always fits sonic for some reason...but it's definitely the most noticeable in the Jap OST of Sonic CD
>>333534901
I wish more covers had this early 90's japanese aesthetic.
>>333536373
>in fact music in most sonic games feels like "real music"
that's because a real band (Dreams Come True I think is their name?) worked on the first two games and Michael Jackson worked on the third.
>>333536901
>DON'T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
Every time.
>>333536991
I know that
Technically it was only Masato Nakamura for Sonic 1/2 and MJ was part of 13 composers for 3&K(6 members on MJ's team,7 on Sega's in-house team)
But I'm referring to Sonic games in general
Games like Sonic 3D Blast Saturn Version,Sonic R.Adventure 1 and 2,Unleashed etc. all feel like real music rather than
Like listen to some of this shit and tell me this couldn't have gotten away with being sold as your typical 90s electronic music record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ5dXMLhQPc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXdrIhYVkuk
>>333536901
>90's japanese aesthetic.
>japanese
It's not an inherently japanese thing(despite the covers being for the japanese release of the games)
>>333537223
Somebody must have been on drugs when they thought of that
>>333527990
I like the scatting in US Tidal Tempest a lot. I don't know why. Is it even scatting?
I love how you can see volcanos in the start of Act 1.
So...why did they decide to make the Boss and Game Over music in the US version sound so fucking evil?
>>333538404
I'm sure it all sounds really cool if you don't actually understand English
So.....how about that Desert Dazzle?
>>333538789
Because you're going to die/are fucking dead
>>333539252
WHAT YOU SAY?
DIGGLE DAGGLE?
>>333527840
JP version is probably one of my favorite sonic songs
I could vibe to that track all day
>>333539252
>>333539752
Thank you o' based SEGA for not allowing this 'thou fanfiction to take place~
>>333539252
NEVER
EVER
>>333532104
The physics are definitely way off but I thought Generations's classic level design was good.
I tried playing sonic CD recently because I really love the music but I just found it to be really meh.
I've never found 2D sonic to be very compelling despite my love for platformers. Sonic is always moving too fast or too slow and the levels always seem to be designed to annoy the player with backwards springs everywhere. The time travel mechanic sounded cool but really it didn't really add anything to the game for me. Like, as far as I could tell there isn't any point in travelling through time.
I still believe that the old sonic games have GOAT music but sonic is honestly my least favourite 2D platforner and I honestly enjoy adventure style and boost to win style more than 2D sonic.
>>333540107
>I thought Generations's classic level design was good.
It wasn't 2bh
It was pretty barebones
In the first level right on the go you have scripted sequence when you run on that wood bridge or whatever it is
Sure it was slightly better than Sonic 4's Dimps bullshit-tier level design but that's not saying much
The level design felt pretty similar to 2D Unleashed and not so much the classic games...especially on fucking Classic Planet Wisp which was Colors-tier bullshit don't even get me started on that one
>>333540725
git gud
>>333540785
That's just the first level though. Have you played Sky Sanctuary Classic? Lots of alternate routes to take.
>>333540869
I was kinda hoping for more of a discussion. The games certainly aren't hard - just not that fun to play for me.
For reference I've played Sonic 1, CD, Advance, Advance 2 and Rush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSKgprdDRTY&nohtml5=False
ptsd
>>333538091
>Saturn rusty ruin zone
I didn't like the Saturn OST but rusty ruin is goat especially act 2.
>>333541180
>>333541148
>Sky Sanctuary Classic
One of the worst levels imo
Really blocky terrain...barely any slopes
>>333541162
Git gud
Master the physics and how they work with the terrain/slopes etc. only then will you notice the genius that are these games(also Advance 1 and 2 aren't really classics tho Advance 1 is the closest to the classic games)
>hasn't played Sonic 3 & Knuckles(or the superior Sonic 3 Complete Hack)
son...gtfo off my face
>>333541180
>he still sucks at Labyrinth Zone
overcome your fears, anon
>>333541304
>not letting tails carry you to the easy way
>>333541210
>I didn't like the Saturn OST
shit taste
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ5SCQ9qB1A&nohtml5=False
>>333541865
>Git gud
>Master the physics and how they work with the terrain/slopes etc. only then will you notice the genius that are these games
This. You have to learn how Sonic moves, you have to learn how levels are laid out. Doing so allows you to go fast, do tricks, and overall speedrun the game better.
That's what the games are about.
>>333541210
I don't see it. They Saturn versions are nicely atmospheric but the Genesis Rusty Ruin Zone tracks are excellent. Just really catchy with a lot going on.
>>333542128
This is just another proof that the 80s was the best decade of all time
>>333542294
Even if you don't speedrun the game just knowing how to use the physics feels so satisfying...it's so mathematically precise and consistent...it feels like you can do anything
this video is a good demonstration of what I'm talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZV5UNS2y60
also not physics related but the levels are filled with secrets and they're very fun to explore...especially the levels in 3&K like Marble Garden Zone which is a huge ass level and I often find new things I didn't know before in that zone
>>333542386
The decade's complete lack of Sonic the Hedgehog?
>>333542317
both are good 2bh...even though I'm not a huge fan of the Genesis soundtrack the Rusty Ruin tracks in it are pretty good
still would rather the Saturn ones tho
>>333543056
I was referring to "Hard Times" by The Jetzons which is an 80s song by an 80s band which Ice Cap was based off
Get with the program
>>333543546
I don't even know who the JETZONS ARE, MY NIGGA.
If it were the Jetsons, the cartoon. Yeah but that song is a LITERALLY WHO.
I miss the art deco revival aesthetic of the first few Sonic games.
By S&K, really only the title cards and fonts kept the look.
>>333542864
To bad you can't do these things anymore now you would just do a homing attack be forced to uncurl then perform another HA
Beep Boop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mqmN6mw4R8&nohtml5=False
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo_4R17gYSY&nohtml5=False
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNXBpzDp1K8&nohtml5=False
>>333544681
Did Classic Generations Sonic have anything close to Genesis physics?
>>333543743
The Jetzons was an early 80s New Wave band
Brad Buxer was a keyboardist for them(and eventually for Michael Jackson in the 90s)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jetzons
He basically took one of the songs from his old band and turned it into what you know as Ice Cap Zone
The opposite also happened when this(composed by Brad Buxer for Sonic 3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55rtX4wCJPM
eventually turned into this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q--bYf6QkBE
>>333545162
not really. but they weren't Lost World bad
>>333545162
I'd call it a happy medium. Actually the only really disappointing thing about Classic in Generations was that the jump felt very short, like maybe a full foot shorter than the Genesis era.
>>333543804
You know...Sonic 1 did this shit much better than Sonic CD
Sonic CD looked so damn flat it's sad
Sonic 1/CD art style with Sonic 3 art direction(the more "deep" look)=Instant fucking win
Too bad it will never happen
If michael jackson wasn't happy with the audio quality of the mega drive, why didn't they do a sonic cd 2?
>>333548315
Funny, my favorite Sonic 3 zones were in 2P. Chrome Gadget and Azure cave would have been beautiful stages
>>333548053
this is so damn wrong it's not even funny
>scripted ramps
>broken rolling attack
>overpowered spindash which might as well be the fucking boost
>prone to stopping on a dime
>clunky as fuck in general
this is far from what i'd call a "happy medium"
from what i heard the 3ds version had better physics
>>333548467
Azure was basically Marble Garden come on(which btw Marble Garden looks pretty damn Art Deco to me...I dunno)
When I said art direction I meant the graphics
Sonic 3 had this sort of "pseudo 3D" look to it...not really 2D but it had this depth to it's look which made it more pleasing to look at imo then the previous game in the series
As for my favorite Sonic 3 Zone aesthetically(also out of all the 3&K zones)
Has to go to Hydrocity Zone...though gameplay wise I'd give it to Marble Garden
>>333548847
*not really 3D
>>333531000
>Personally I think the level design is a mess. I get that's about exploration and using the time warps, but when you find a stretch that almost gets you there only to be stopped by a yellow spring in the floor that's when I start getting angry.
Learn the level-design and then improve your skills to go fast.Nice trips.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fh5zu5x4yQ
The old sonic games really suck 2bh.
>>333548315
CD definitely looks flatter, but at least it kept the geometric abstraction from the first game, and maybe even took it too far. But I guess that's what they were going for considering it takes place on another planet.
S3&K had beautiful backgrounds, but they were a little too detailed and naturalistic at times. Hidden Palace is the only one I can think of that wouldn\t feel too out of place in Sonic 1/CD.
>>333550350
Yea Muh-rio is much better!! xD
>>333528442
It wasn't even a good sonic game
Did anyone say FLAT?
>>333548514
Alright fair enough, not a "happy" medium.
>scripted ramps
Yeah but that's the nature of modern Sonic games, everything feels at least partially scripted.
>broken rolling attack
>overpowered spindash which might as well be the fucking boost
It was stupidly strong, I didn't really use it though.
>prone to stopping on a dime
>clunky as fuck in general
I mean it was not the Genesis physics we were teased, but it was also a far cry from the absolute clusterfuck of Sonic 4.
Anyway the fucking short jump, man. That's something I feel affects the overall physics even more than the problems you listed.
>>333550996
what the fuck are you even comparing
>>333550853
Old mario is way better yes. 3D Sonic > 3D mario though
>>333551176
If you need to ask then you're just wasting my time.
>>333550996
i can cherry pick too
>>333549692
>that fucking Sonic '06 image
top fucking kek makes me laugh every time
You can complete Knuckles Route in Sonic 3 Complete within 1 and a half hours. Any longer and you don't deserve to be a Knuckles fan.
Are you guys ready for the 25th Anniversary?
>>333551674
No heavily 3D with boost no buy
>>333551674
>>333551674
Its going to suck. Its going to be hyped so much that the entire Sonic fan-base is just going to shit on it.
Also pro-tip
Biolizard and Chaos is going to fuse and not only Sonic, Shadow, Silver have to turn super the Super Emeralds are back and this time. Hyper is brought to 3D/2D once again.
Life and Learn / Open your Heart Crush 40 2016 mix will be playing depending on which character you chose.
Solaris is not there fortionately.
>>333534521
isn't that something jesus said? is sonic jesus?
My only problem with the US track is the fact that it's incomplete cuz there are no past tracks
It's still good, but since a good chunk of it is the JP track I can't call it the better one
>>333551927
>Crush 40 2016 mix
OPEN YOUR HEART, IT'S GONNA BE ALRI-RI-RI-RI-RIRIRIRIRIRIRIRRIRIRIRIRIRIRIRI
*airhorn*
[deep house beat intensifies]
>>333552782
>>333549692
God damn, seeing those first few burgers made me want a double meat bacon and egg garlic burger (with cheese). I'm hungry as fuck already. Fuck.
>>333550590
>but they were a little too detailed and naturalistic at times.
That's what they were going for...so in that sense they suceeded
>Hidden Palace is the only one I can think of that wouldn\t feel too out of place in Sonic 1/CD.
Carnival Night too and to some extent Hydrocity and Marble Garden
Death Egg and Flying Battery feel kinda like Death Egg(Sonic 2) and Wing Fortress too
My point is that it's a shame we never got to see CD/1 art style with that Pseudo 3D kinda look 3 had
>>333534521
isn't that a roosevelt quote?
>>333551239
Umm you got that wrong buck-o
2D Sonic> 2D Mario
3D Mario> 3D Sonic
>>333551072
How is rolling being completely gimped not a huge problem?
If you tried to roll down a hill Sonic would literally slow down...that's downright heresy
>>333551927
>Solaris is not there fortionately.
top kek
Hey /v/.
>>333554734
fuck off to deviantart futfag
>>333536373
>mfw new Sonic games just play generic rock music
I miss the days when Sonic games used to be good.
>>333554901
word. rock just doesn't mesh with its feel.
sonic sounds much better with electronic music, like the synth pop of the genesis games or the house/techno of cd.
>>333554901
Me to, 2008-2011 was great. To bad about all those other years
>>333554901
A lot of the newer 3D games favor other instruments and genres more now as opposed to just rock like the earlier 3D Sonic games. And Sonic Colors and Generations are solid games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eODArFqHbf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEzvc4OTkIo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVHWmbbC7q4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEGro4NpgCg
>>333551372
>>333554901
series went to shit after 2 for me.
>>333555550
are you counting CD or not
>>333555607
For you
>>333555555
>>333555916
why can't this post be real
>>333556252
>you will never play a slow sonic game with a handcrafted vaporwave soundtrack
why live
>>333556502
A Sonic CD sequel would work very well with a tasteful use of vaporwave aesthetic.
>>333555435
With Lost World I think they were going too far in whatever direction they were headed, but that might be because they were trying to ape Mario Galaxy so hard. There were a lot of exceptions but I felt a trend. Sonic Runners was last thing that produced original music and it feels more "sonicy" than Lost World. I can't really put words to it though.
>>333557534
That level was crap.
>>333554803
It's a solid Sonic game, better than 4.
>>333556783
for sure
tasteful is the key word though
>>333557648
>better than 4.
That's supposed to be a compliment?
>>333557702
>>333555435
I can not listen to planet wisp without noticing what I assume is an error, near 4:55
https://youtu.be/eODArFqHbf0?t=4m55s
it sounds like someone fell over the piano
>>333551674
Classic Amy is so cute!
>>333557648
It really doesn't play out like a Sonic game at all though. At most it took Sonic's general movement mechanics and a few gimmicks like springs. It is more akin to Sonic Rush than classic Sonic where the focus in on character abilities and not as much the terrain. Honestly that's for the better since it carves out its own high speed combat platformer genre.
>>333557764
Dank.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcoASjlFysk
Is it just me or did these fangames feel a little bit more still to move in the air than the the original genesis ones
>>333558280
>The bottom left
your opinion on wood zone
>>333558987
coulda been cool but it's a mess
>>333558280
Classic Amy is way better in terms of looks. I don't know if classic Amy is given much character in the comics, so I'm unaware of what her character and personality is like if she actually has one, but modern Amy is insufferable, and Boom Amy is a more enjoyable character and has some good moments.
>>333557887
I always notice that too.
Wacky Workbench is the best level with the best music (Past specifically) in the game, fight me.
>>333554057
JFK you uncultured swine
>>333562825
That one is great and all but I would argue Stardust Speedway (Past) is the best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHLaaOSaOY8
why does this track give me feels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SKcTZNeRnQ&nohtml5=False
>>333564252
mah nig
Sonic 3 Complete > Sonic CD > Sonic 2 > Sonic 3/Sonic and Knuckles > Sonic 1 = Game Gear games > Spinball > 3D Blast
Where my GameGear bros at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dot0iGpUL5I
Also what the fuck a calzone is not a pie, captcha
>>333564650
I had completely forgot this.I remember burning this song onto a disk for some reason
remind me. Is tails adventures a good game?
I remember playing it in sonic gems collection, but I probably savescummed and I think I started using cheatcodes about 70% in.
