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>weapon looks cool
>its shit
>Ornstein's spear
>Shit
Kek
Gayhander giantbabby detected
>>333385129
When does it get better than Demons spear?
>>333385204
When you learn to use your weapon rather than just relying on it's reach and damage.
>>333385129
You can get way better gear for less point/ressource investment.
It's shit when you look at what you can wield instead.
astora's straight sword
It looks so amazing with that handguard and matches Elite Knight Set or regular Knight set and either Crest Shield's perfectly. But the fucking faith magic damage scaling is just not worth it.
>>333385310
>using a weapon is somehow independent of all of its traits
Right.
>>333385336
>its bad because it takes more time to get than other weapons in a game where time means nothing
great logic
>>333385019
Warrior class in Dragon's Dogma
>try every weapon in game
>never find anything better than buffed rapier
>>333385310
>Learn to use your weapon
This is fucking stupid, senpai. Better stats gives the player more room for error and ability to reach their best performance faster.
You could kill a lion with a sharp stick, but a gun is a better tool.
>>333385310
I don't get it. Spears are designed for damage and reach.
>>333385414
It's a shit weapon, deal with it.
Greatsword of artorias is way better.
>>333385414
especially when you get a free of charge lightning spear in sen fun house.
That weapon was INCREDIBLEin DaS2
I've found that the plain looking weapons are the best
>Halberd
>Lucerne
>Claymore
>Ricards rapier
>>333385580
>Comparing a greatsword and a spear
This one.
>>333385019
>Dragonslayer Spear
>looks cool
>shit
how do you fuck up this bad
>>333385414
Except its objectively worse
It has divided damage, poor base damage and poor scaling. Other spears totally outmatch it regardless of skill.
>your spearfu will never be good again
>>333385709
>ricards
>not estoc
Ha.
>Ultima Keyblade
>>333385019
Why couldnt it have some sort of gliding charge for its 2 hand strong attack? The slow stab thing is dumb.
>>333385851
>He never tried buffed ricard's
>>333385019
But that weapon looks like shit faggot
>armor looks cool
>it's shit and/or you are guaranteed to fat roll
glad they more or less fixed this in DaS3
>>333385709
chaos longsword is surprisingly fun and good
>>333385851
I wouldn't know, I never used the estoc. I always prefer polearms in souls games.
>>333385925
There are far better weapons to cheese with
>>333385019
>huge oversized video game weapons
>Looking cool
>>333385936
armor can't be upgraded at all now, so it's either fashion or stats now.
>>333385969
Not if you want to instantly kill everything that's not resistant to magic
>>333385367
>implying one weapon is bad because another has bigger numbers
Have you ever played videogames Anon?
>>333385997
I know how it works, dingus, and it's better now.
>like great weapons
>always get shit on cause "balance"
>>333385357
That shit is like the drakesword to clerics if you get it with the master key really strong early on.
>>333386040
Literally any great weapon that can be buffed is better due to how the shitty armor system works
>>333386072
except everything has the same fucking stats like bloodborne, yet they decided to still have a weight system
>>333385310
>except for its reach and damage
That IS you using your weapon you fucking moron.
This weapon looked badass and powerful but sucked balls even when i upgraded it
>>333385751
It's really not that bad for an INT build, but there's no reason to not go for the MLGS instead.
>>333386192
Do you even know how the buffs stack with the R2?
Also, buffing slow weapons is worse because buff damage doesn't depend on weapon damage.
>>333385019
Literally the Moonlight Greatsword in Dark Souls 3
>>333386278
Its range is so fucking short holy shit.
>>333386304
>Moonlight Greatsword in Dark Souls 3
tell me it aint so
>>333386278
>it bends
I don't know why but I always found that so funny. Like it's made out of rubber.
>>333386304
it's always a meme weapon now, never a solid choice and perfectly usable
Washing Pole of DaS 1.
>>333386438
I'm sorry anon
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Moonlight+Greatsword
>>333386438
Genos is Moonman. I knew it all along.
>>333386438
it starts outdamaging a +10 broadsword at 70~ INT
>>333386278
>its not a super whip axe weird ass weapon
>just a pretty shitty axe
I was pretty disappointed
>>333385129
I want to use it, but Demons, Silver knight and even +15 winged is better.
>>333386438
Are you really suprised about this? That shit was in DeS, DaS, Das2 and Bloodborne.
>>333386572
>split damage
JUST
So how is luck and Dark Souls 3 anyone know if there's a Blueblood Sword equivalent?
>>333386662
It was good in ds2
>>333386595
jesus fuck
>>333386595
>>333386572
it's because int/faith scaling is broken, and reversed. It'll be patched eventually
>>333385936
>>333385997
>>333386202
>Souls game
>Using armour
>>333386606
It would be better if it had a modified moveset and not just the one bendy animation. Personally I find axes in Dark Souls to be woefully underwhelming.
>playing DaS1 again
>after playing with a new character decide hop on an old character, sl 314, to try some fun op shit in pvp
>go to the forest
>only managed to invade one guy as a forest hunter and he ran away to Sif instead of trying to fight once the Zweihander started swinging since he was already at the bridge
>seen signs, bloodstains, ghosts etc since but got zero invasions with the kitty ring
the fuck is up? it was supposed to ignore soul levels
Gargoyle's halberd is the best weapon in the game.
>>333386572
>Split damage
>That scaling
>>333386784
There's a luck scaling sword that you can get fromAnri of Astora
>>333385709
Isn't the polehammer pretty shit, especially compared to its iteration in DeS? I recked some serious pussy with that thing on a faith build
>>333386662
He's surprised by the fact that it's bad.
Every cool looking weapon in Dragon's Dogma
The endgame stuff looks like ass
>>333386845
Everyone s playing das3
>>333386845
>invade people lower than you
>"wow coward running away"
>>333386880
That's not the Dragon Greatsword.
>tfw Zweihander Moveset
>BUT IT ALSO SHOOTS A MASSIVE SHOCKWAVE
I thoroughly enjoyed my playthrough using that. Although it really did trivialize the majority of the game. I 2 shot Gwyn.
I use the same rule for weapons as I do Pokemon
Just use what you like most
>>333386880
Not to be confused with the shitty gargoyle tail axe.
>>333385743
Doesn't matter, the spear is still bad and uninteresting, since you can get lightning spears in much easier ways.
>>333386808
Reverse? Please explain
>>333386971
not people on PC
>>333386845
wew finally another connection
and disconnected right away, after all that wait time
>>333387039
magic stuff scales more with faith, faith stuff scales more with int
>>333385709
I'm struggling using a halberd in DS3 right now. Which kind of annoys me as I was stabbing and gutting everything in the other DS with it.
it just feels too open to retaliation compared to its previous iterations. Long swords are probably the safest weapons in DS3 right now.
>>333387160
Wow From, wow.
WOOOOOOOOW.
>>333386295
Mate go look at the armor system and educate yourself
How's the dragonslayer spear on DkS3, still shit?
>>333387160
Wow that's a fuck up
>>333386880
that's what I currently carry as a backup to zweihander
nice reach and faster
>>333387013
This. Currently rolling a ptromancy character through DaS2. Using the Heide Knight lance. I like it's moveset along with the spear (which was my previous weapon).
>>333385204
when you're doing an ornstein cosplay
>>333385310
>rather than just relying on it's reach
That's the only reason to ever be using spears in DaS1
>>333387186
>it just feels too open to retaliation compared to its previous iterations
It's literally the same animation but without the stumble on miss.
>>333386286
>MLGS
Nah. Too slow and not enogh reach after a whole playthrough using spears. In the end, faggot butterfly horn was my weapon of choice, much to my desmay.
>Weapon has good damage and stats
>It looks like utter shit, a turd on a stick
FUGS I'm looking at you, the worst kind of vidya torture.
>Dark Souls 3 is coming out in 6 days.
>don't even give a shit
Is Dark Souls 3 going to be the same as Dark Souls 1 2 and 3 where you can't even reasonably use a sword and board because the damage output greatly favors great weapons?
It's fun to use a Zweihander or whatever, but I really like to use sword+shield. After 3 games though and multiple playthroughs it just seems fucking worthless to even try since 2handers always deal so much more damage.
>>333387291
Well then how come it feels so much more open and unsafe?
>>333387246
I dont know, but theres the Dragonslayer Sword Spear now, and that just sounds and looks cooler IMO
>It's still not the 12th
what weapon should I get for my pyromancer?
I am doing my first run of Dark Soul 1.
I just beat iron golem. I have been using claymore since I got it, despite getting tons of other weapons. Is the claymore good? I got lightning spear in Sen Fortress. Is that good?
>>333387468
Dual wield a catalyst and a chime
>>333387468
Get any weapon and infuse it with chaos.
>>333387129
nice got another connect and it was a guy with op high level shit just like me
almost got me but I squashed him in the end
>>333387417
I hope you like shortswords, ice daggers and dual katanas. They're raping all the greatswords within seconds
>>333387495
Claymore is top-tier.
Lightning Spear is good enough to finish the game with. A lot of faggy casuals go Drakesword > Lightning Spear than just vit/end gouge like losers in their first playthrough. Lightning Spear can take you to the end of the game but it's boring.
>>333387495
I'd say on single player anything Is viable, so just go with whatever you enjoy using
>>333386572
> it looks like shit
> it scales like shit
> split damage
Guess DeS and Bloodborne will continue to have the best moonlight sword post kings field.
About to do my second run through of DaS to get into the groove before DaS3 comes out. How do I go about making a dual wield greatsword character work?
>>333387614
>implying
Fugs and and UGS in general all great because of insane hyperamor.
>>333387417
fugs is op against nearly everything but you can just equip the havel shield and poke them to death with the estoc
>>333387660
You don't.
>>333387646
>Guess DeS and Bloodborne will continue to have the best moonlight sword post kings field.
Demon's Souls MLGS was actually fucking awesome.
>Faith scaling
>Goes through shields making it a really unique weapon for PvP and even a really small bit of PvE
>Actually good instead of garbage
I don't know what they were thinking with DS1/2 by making it an Int Scaling weapon.
>>333387439
Great, just want it for /fa/ purposes and couple it with a plume helmet if there's any, and a shield. Fuck that'd look so good.
>>333385019
>use zwei
>it's sexy as fuck
>really damn good too
>>333387639
Drakesword? Was that a weapon I missed? I am trying to play the game completely blind. I am getting fucked at a lot of parts and I feel I am missing out on a lot of secrets but playing with a guide feels wrong.
>>333387640
The claymore feels so satisfying especially the 2nd handed move set. Good to know I don't have to swap it.
>>333387695
fugs?
Ultra Great Sword? whats teh F for,.
>>333387826
fume
>>333386845
It doesn't ignore soul level, it lets you invade upwards infinitely just like the red eye orb. The only way to invade much much lower than your level in das1 is with Darkmoon Orb. Wikidot has the correct values.
>>333387692
It's really easy to dodge. The hyperarmor only activates after using the weapon arts shit, which is insanely obvious. I haven't died to any greatswords user in the past few days of invading. Parrying them when they do a basic swing is even easier. The only thing that I can say is close to remotely good is the roll attack. But most of the time it misses, which could be due to Japanese lag. Dual katanas are fucking bullshit though.
>>333385019
>ornstein weapon is shit
let me guess
the black knight halberd is also shit?
>>333387660
Dual wielding in DaS1 does not really work except for maybe some very specific combinations, and even then it's usually easier to juste switch to another weapon. I doubt there's any point to a dual greatsword build.
DaS2 has power stancing, but you'd need a shitload of strength / dex to dual wield greatswords, on top of the END to avoid fat rolling like a retard because your weapons are so fucking heavy
>>333387820
you get the drakesword from chopping off the red dragon's tail (or snipe it off with a bow)
>>333387820
No, the Drakesword was a newb trap. It has like 200 AR but no scaling, you get it from cutting the tail off the Hellkite Drake just after Taurus Demon.
Basically videos came out pre-launch with guides for the early game on how to get through the game (ie: a crutch for useless people) and every single one of them included how to get the Drakesword.
Basically it was the mark of the Casual, and the shitter. Elite Knight + Drakesword in Sens or later was the true mark of a shitter.
>>333387897
well shit, I guess I just whacked a higher level guy than my sl314 character
>>333386929
Mirdan Hammer in DeS is crazy good, especially if you're running a faith build and have it Blessed.
>>333387765
Oh theres plenty of /fa/ this time around.
Plenty of cool new stuff and plenty of fan favorites from old games.
I'll be using this armor
Also I'm excited they actually have good cool looking Hammers this time around.
>>333387761
They realized they fucked up by giving it to Seath and then they weren't able to fix it so they ran with it.
>>333387660
If you're just doing it for fun, then go for it. Don't bother trying to fight players with that sort of build though, only DeS and DaS2 have viable options for offhand characters in both PvE and PvP. Offhand weapons use more stamina as well.
>>333388046
Mirdan hammer is only good for breaking through shields. The other ones have a superior damage type for PvE.
How is the Mace in Dark Souls 3?
That thing carried me through 2 and was my favorite PvP weapon in 1.
>>333387947
2kats are back in DaS3 ? Is there power stancing or is it the same old DeS bullshit builds ?
>>333387947
>The hyperarmor only activates after using the weapon arts shit, which is insanely obvious
Not really. All it's attacks have hyperarmor.
Also all UGS excepth FUGS and the Greatsword are unparryable when 2handed.
>>333385019
Axes in general in Dark Souls games. I don't see any significant advantages to using these over UGS or other SS other than aesthetics or switching to the DGA for maximum riposte damage. I suppose BKGA was decent because it was fairly quick for how much damage it dealt.
>>333385709
I really like the fact that a lot of the realistic weapons in Dark Souls tend to be the best. Claymore used to be my favorite now I just use the longsword for everything.
>>333386304
It has it perks.
>>333388087
cutting off a bosses tail to get a weapon is the stupidest idea they ever came up with
>>333385367
>>333385530
>>333385573
>>333387271
>>333386213
People who use weapons for stats alone. kek
>>333387952
duel wielding great clubs in 2 was so great
>>333388167
Thank god they put that mana system back, wasting durability on special movesets was retarded.
>>333388121
Well I was talking in a PvP sense. It ravages shields, stunlocks like mad, has good reach and attacks super fast.
Every time I replay the game I HAVE to choose temple knight for that beautiful Halberd from the get-go.
>>333388017
EK is the sign of leddit. Especially when used with the knight shield which is shitty compared to choices like the hollow and heater shields(or grass crest). And of course fat rolling.
>>333386067
That's exactly the case. Multiple other weapons are better, even in its own class. It's at the bottom, it's bad by comparison - and comparison is usually how we determine the quality of something like this.
>>333388141
A combination. Some weapons come in pairs and you take out the second weapon instead of twohanding.
Normal weapons in the left hand retain all their R1s but block/parry instead of R2.
>>333385019
>DS has shit tons of cool armor
>can't wear any of them without fat rolling and being slow as shit
First playthrough here. Do I need just need to stat dump in endurance to overcome this or is this just something I need to deal with? I've been using the hobo Nazgul armor since I killed spidertits and it's getting old. I wanna be a knight god dammit.
>>333388017
Huh? I am using a mixture of Elite knight + Crimson set because I haven't found anything better yet. Been using Claymore. Didn't know you could snipe the tail off the Hellkite drake.
>>333388236
Nah, the Dragonslayer spear is just not good. The R2 lightning bolt is weak, and the rest of the moveset is exactly the same as other spears except the Dragnslayer spear has really long reach.
It's outclassed by pretty much any other spear on any other upgrade path.
>weapon looks great
>upgrade it
>looks like shit
>>333388295
The R2 attack uses durability tho.
>>333388295
MLGS moonbeams still use durability.
>>333388363
ring of favor and protection
>keep coming up with builds I think will be fun and abandoning them after 10 hours of play time
>still haven't actually used any for pvp
It's been three years damn it
I wish grinding for items and souls wasn't such a grind
>>333388204
It was kind of cool stumbling onto the MLGS in Demons Souls being worshiped by slugs.
Kind of funny that the best version of the sword after Demons Souls is a game where you turn into a slug and acquire it from beating a man that turned into a horse with a giant slug sticking out of it.
>weapon looks shit
>it's cool
>>333388310
It all got nerfed.
The hollow shield is pretty good, but it's actually really heavy, heater shield is better as a lightweight 100% phys for sure though.
Sucks because I actually liked the Elite Knight set a lot, but if I play I usually use E.Knight leggings, arms, and helmet, and then use the regular Knight body. Provided I'm not doing Ninja flip shananigans.
>>333385019
Fuck Artorias and his bullshit quality build, i want to wield your fucking sword you armless retard
>>333388403
Fucking hell, i was hoping the MLGS looked as cool as the Bloodborne one.
>>333388363
There's a golden ring you get from killing a gold dude and a fatty ring you get from killing an enemy in the undead burg/ the forest, those both help with equip weight
However much Endurance you need, but no more than 40, after that the returns diminish
>>333388403
How's pyromancy in DS3?
>>333388392
It has 2nd longest reach in the game, good moveset, good damage and looks awesome. What do you not like?
>>333388141
2kats won't be truly back unless they bring back how offhand katanas worked in DeS and the push for pushlock.
>>333388381
>Didn't know you could snipe the tail off the Hellkite drake.
Most players don't. If someone's doing their first playthrough and they have the Drake Sword, then either they're using a guide or some asshole spoiled it for them (probably someone else on their first playthrough who looked up guides and thought they were the shit for having an "overpowered" weapon)
>>333388363
fap and/or havel
but in pvp you need about 51+ poise IIRC to not suck
>>333388142
They only have hyperarmor after its animation has gone through a certain point. I used to play with fugs, as for parrying, most of the time you either get a faggot onehanding with it and a shield or a naked guy 2 handing it. The naked guy is easily brought down with the dark shortswords since he'll rely on the roll attack or the sweep which both are easily dodged. The person that's one handing it proves to be be bigger challenge since he'll turtle up and fuck you up if you fail the kick.
>>333388121
No powerstance, it's a dual weapon, sow if you'd press triangle or y, it would equip the 2 weapons. The jump critical art is goat though
>>333388582
Bloodborne wrapping glowing cosmos around a dull great sword was a fairly unique look.
I wish they had taken that glow and applied it to the Demons Souls looking version and brought that into Dark Souls instead of keeping the shitty DaS1 version. Thank god they didn't go with the DaS2 version.
At least they kept the cool particle effects from the Bloodborne attacks?
>>333385019
>weapon looks cool
>its actually a halberd that has A-scaling for Int and you can cast spells with it.
>>333388582
It's got the same particle effects as BB with an updated DaS1 design with the runes on the blade. What more do you want nigger?
>>333388236
>it's not bad, it's just that other things are better
Is that really the logic you're going to use here? If it's not as good as everything else you can use, it's bad.
You liking it doesn't change that. You could like playing tennis by replacing your racket with a child's shoe, but that doesn't make the shoe a good racket.
Also, the thread is about things looking good but having more stats, which you tried to argue wasn't true. It is, and now you're saying this shit.
Get more sleep, drink more water. Anything to help your brain function better.
>>333385709
Claymore is shit compared to the zwie
>>333388343
Is powerstancing separate weapons still around, or is dual wielding replaced by this system?
>>333388403
goddamn, why From
>>333388741
A design that met the Demons Souls and Bloodborne design in the middle would have been far superior.
>>333385580
>that fucking stat spread
there are NO viable builds with GSA
prove me wrong
>>333385709
Lucerne was THE PvE weapon in DeS.
>>333388121
And a lot of enemies in DeS had shields. Your point? Good thing you can carry TWO weapons.
>>333387948
Fuck no, BKH is stupid fucking good.
It's so good there's an entire class of speedruns for BKH characters.
>>333388236
The most popular weapons for particular stat builds generally have good stats AND good movesets.
>>333388728
that's fast as fuck for that range
but it uses mana which is gay
>>333388792
Powerstancing is not back.
>>333388724
>Bloodborne wrapping glowing cosmos around a dull great sword was a fairly unique look.
That's exactly what i was hoping for, Along with the idle particle effects and lighting. Is it so much to ask for a magical looking magic sword?
>>333386067
>Have you ever played videogames Anon?
Worst baiting ever.
>>333385357
>know the weapon is ASS
>love how it looks anyway
>still use it to the endgame because i love it
Do you like this weapon ?
>>333388915
>the one fucking thing DaS2 did right has been removed
>>333388892
I don't agree personally but at least the sword is good for the final souls game.
>>333387240
Not him, but why would a buffed estoc be more effective than the rapid attacks of a buffed Ricard's? They're both thrusting attacks, but surely the DPS on Ricard's is higher, right?
>>333389012
yes but we'll NEVER see it again
>>333389015
Most of the powerstances were shit dude. They only made a handful of unique ones and the rest were garbage.
>>333389012
no it's dumb and gay
>>333389012
>Use the special jumping R2
>Get parried
>>333388910
Wouldn't a mage character have some way to regen mana though ? Is there something like the royal ring / enchanted weapons from DeS ?
Any Greataxe.
Because for some reason they need to suck epic dick and weight around 3 Zweihanders each
>>333385709
Lucerne is my weaponfu. Used it in my first run, while everybody else was claiming the Zwei and Clay. Made me feel like a special snowflake.
>weapon is a fake version of a legendary sword
>still like it more than the real thing
I must have brain damage
>>333388610
Same as the previous DS, Fireballs and buffs.
>>333388910
It's a spell, of course it uses mana
>>333389190
The real MLGS had an absolutely shit moveset in DS2. The fake one was actually tolerable in this regard.
I did an ornstein PVP forest build and I was pooping on kids
Its a good weapon because its so god damn fast, faggots just literally think anything but the best is "shit"
Is there any point of dual wielding in DS3 if you're not using a paired weapon?
>>333389137
he'd have to sip the blue estus
and that means less yellow estus
>>333389104
>Most of the weapons were shit dude. They only made a handful of unique ones and the rest were garbage.
>Most of the NPCS
>Most of the bosses
>Most of the weapons
That phrase applies to just about fucking everything in the Souls series.
But no, you're right, fuck powerstancing, let's throw the baby out with the bathwater, you god damned retard.
>>333389190
That's because it looks more like the actual moonlight sword than the real version, which go the toothpick treatment in das2.
>>333389210
But is it Dark Souls 1 tier where it was a way to give melee focused character access to some utility with spells and buffs?
Or is it Dark Souls 2 tier where they completely disregarded that and just made it Magic type C (with hexes being type D)
Fucking frostbite bullshit is op. It takes so much time before it fades, you could literally go double dagger and go nuts on people that are either turtling or go with 1 hit every 20 seconds and still fuck people up.
>>333389137
Blessed/Crescent are back as Blessed/Simple.
>>333389210
Is that the new flame weapon? Looks cool.
>>333388765
>Thread is about cool looking weapons but considered "shit"
>I argue the weapon isn't shit based on stats alone
>you claim the thread has been about stats the whole time, despite a clear lack of evidence.
wew lad. the thread was never exclusive to stats
>>333387442
>Tfw already know DS3 will be better than 2 but Bloodborne will still be the best
>>333389210
Glad they improved the look of the metal. Some of the areas I've seen look hideous because of the lighting and/or the filter, though.
>>333389245
>just swinging the thing with your arms is a spell
>>333389260
No to mention the Bluemoon was wielded by a cool guy.
The weapon I finished the game with originally, and it became my personal favorite. I don't give a shit if it was good or not, I just really liked it.
>>333388392
you've clearly never used this weapon with the flip ring
>>333389104
It doesn't have to be competitive to have a place in the game. I don't much miss it, but having the option there would have been nice. Dark Souls's one of the strongest sides has been the customization.
>>333389357
It scales with INT and FAI. So DS2 tier
I'm excited for Dark Souls 3, but I have no idea what copy to get. I have a computer that meets the minimum requirements with a little leeway, and a PS4. The problem is that with the other Dark Souls, they would run okay even on an iMac from 2008, but they had trouble getting multiplayer connections. My internet here is pretty bad, but it worked okay when I was playing Bloodborne. Co-op was pretty great, and invasions lagged only slightly.
Which should I get? I'm especially concerned since I heard Dark Souls 3 has framerate issues.
>>333389363
Frostbite is shit m8. As is poison. Literally only bleed is good.
>>333389451
the R2s are slow dog shit
>>333389381
No it's a halberd/catalyst. It's always on fire.
>>333389513
The PS4 version runs exactly like the other console Souls games; 30 fps with occasional drops, so if you're used to it then it shouldn't be a bother.
Guys try the cestus. Lightning cestus is godlike in ds3
>>333389210
what armor is that
>>333389598
So is the great club's, still one of the best STR weapons
>>333389446
You cast a magical sword at the end of your staff. How is that not a spell?
>>333389654
Never played Dark Souls on PS4. I never had any drops in Dark Souls 1 or 2 on my shitty old PC, even in Blighttown.
>>333388893
I'm playing a Str/dex/faith and I'm pretty fucking strong. If I had allocated the stats I put in vit to int I think it would be even more retarded.
>>333389661
Are you fucking with us anon ? Because I tried a deprived no magic fists only build in DaS after one of those roll your build threads and it fucking sucked balls
>>333389661
Caestus is the boxing gloves right?
I'm tempted to go Roman on some undead ass
>>333389451
The GS was cool because you got to feel like you had the actual weapon the black knights were using, in that you could homerun anything that wasn't fuckhuge.
I still love the burger king great axe the most though, due to how amazingly well it handled.
>>333389686
but the rolling R1 is fun
if anyone uses the BKGS they might as well be using a zweihander instead
>>333389513
It has problems with single core performance so unless your CPU is something like Core 2 Duo it probably won't limit you too much.
Dark Souls 1 just had problems forming connections period, but they use matchmaking servers again ever since Dark Souls 2, also with Bloodborne, making network game in both very easy. The case will be the same for DaS3.
I'd just get the PC version. You could cap it at 30FPS and have it be exactly like the console version if you can't get a steady 60
>>333389728
>never had any drops in Dark Souls 1 or 2 on my shitty old PC, even in Blighttown.
Then your CPU won't be a bottleneck for sure.
Why the fuck are the enemy knights so big in Dark Souls
Are we just a supreme manlet?
>>333389769
>DaS
That's the problem. Fist weapons were at their lowest point in DaS
>>333389357
Bro don't be fooled by DaS2 telling you that Pyro receives a buff from both Faith and Int. True, it's there, but it's fucking tiny. Like 20 extra damage. Pyro still worked perfectly for melee classes, you just grabbed a few attunement slots in 2 and slapped in some Great Fireball or GC.
>>333389668
Fire Witch set.
who winged knight fatbro set here? besides me of course
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Armor
>>333389918
It's so clear they're using the Bloodborne engine.
Everything looks like Bloodborne.
That's not a terrible thing, but it feels so fucking lazy.
>>333389969
>fextralife
It's shit, fuck off
>>333389769
>easy to parry with
>String fast combos together that barely use any stamina and easy to cancel
>Can have max poise for a moment
It's too good
>>333389382
What are we all talking about if not the stats of good looking weapons being poor?
The movesets? It still isn't better than what we could consider weapons it is competing with.
So if the alternatives are better, what is it if not shit?
Maybe if you didn't rely on shitposting your views and taking half a fucking second to articulate yourself properly instead of "lol no kek wew lad", you could have had a discussion and not just people calling you an idiot.
>>333388910
That's because it's casting a spell.
>>333389882
I can't even get 30 fucking frames in dark souls 1 on my AMD rig, it's capped at 15.
>really want to use all these cool weapons i collected
>just resort to the black knight sword
its moveset is really nice to me compared to all the other weapons
>>333389918
Dude how does the quantity of estus flasks work? I've seen you can set how many estus and ash flasks you can have but to get more of them, do you have to kindle bonfires or do you have to find estus shards like in II?
>having issues against Seath as an unarmed dragonbro
>since I have to be practically on top of him to deal damage I can rarely see what attack he's gonna do next
>on like 8th attempt have the bright idea to turn off lock on so I can look up at his head while I'm attacking
>win immediately
man it sucks being retarded
>>333390019
Yeah. Every new game needs to be on the same engine.
>>333387246
All the spears are pretty good
DS isn't the absolute best but still pretty high tier
>>333390036
yes, and? show me another ds3 wiki with more content currently, you sperging dickhole
>>333390019
>That's not a terrible thing, but it feels so fucking lazy.
You think that's lazy? They use an entire area from a previous game. It's not weird for sequels to re-use things from earlier games, but Dark Souls 3 feels very much like it's just something they've put together with things from other games, while they do more important things elsewhere. But I'm under the impression that's what people want from these games.
>>333390051
you're getting severly upset right now, friend. and yes I am talking about moveset+range. have you ever flipped and poked a guy to death with this thing?
>>333390019
It's their DX11 engine. What, you wanted more DX9 stuff?
>>333390019
If it makes you feel better they probably made some improvements to the engine in some capacity. Making a brand new engine for each game is not a reasonable thing to do.
>>333390170
Shards
>>333389489
I have plenty of experience with PvP across all of the SOuls games but I was speaking purely about the fun of powerstances. Most of them sucked, halberd, scythes, most straight swords, most greatswords, and especially twinblades. They use3d mosre stamina and did less damage despite attacking with both swords. You were better off just not powerstancing and using the full moveset in each hand, which WAS fun. Aside from a few of the unique ones like the Arty GS and the warped sword powerstances, they sucked.
>>333389328
Hyperbole. Calm down.
>>333390217
Oh I know, I've seen the screenshots of the derelict Anor Londo.
Not surprising. I think the whole "cycles" aspect of Dark Souls is fucking stupid. It basically completely trivializes your achievements in DS1/2.
>>333390143
Try using DSfix's frame limiter and make sure you're not on Win8.
>>333390183
I stopped locking on bosses after ornstein and smough. It was a breeze after that.
>>333390217
>They use an entire area from a previous game
Don't tell me you're talking about Anal Rodeo. It's very different from the DS1 version.
WHO /STR/FAI/ HERE
>>333390284
How many do you start with?
>>333388728
6 more days lads, this last week is killing me
>>333390284
God dammit.
>>333389969
Pope samurai all the way
>>333390389
I literally haven't given a shit.
The small things i've seen or watched, like the big tree boss or going back to Anor Londo are literally killing any hype I had.
>>333390249
Yeah, I use it a bunch, because I like the way it looks. It's not better than other spears, though. Which is why people think it's shit.
>>333390212
>more content
That's hardly worth bragging about when there's so many pages that lead to nothing and hearsay.
>>333390019
Yeah, compared to DaS1 using the DeS engine. With reskinned enemies. They should just make a brand new engines, like with DaS2.
Whoops...
>>333390284
Fucking dammit, whats the maximum?
>>333385019
>there are people who think orns spear is bad
>there are people who don't like it's 2HR2's
wew lad
>>333390502
>Unique faith scaling lightning damage
>Unique moveset including ranged attack and upward thrust
>Long range
Seriously this weapon can't even be called gimmicky, let alone shit
>>333390331
I don't mind it, personally. The idea of your actions being part of a hopeless cycle seemed apparent from the start.
>>333390352
I am. I don't think it's identical, and I don't even mind them doing it, the same way I don't mind the old equipment. But if using the same engine as BB is lazy, Anor Londo 2.0 is lazy as fuck.
>>333390356
>He isn't Dex/Int
>>333390334
I'm on windows 10
and I've already tried turning off the unlock in dsfix.
>>333387639
>Claymore is best weapon
Wow Anon, you'reabsolutely correct
>>333385790
There is the silver black spear in ds2. I loved it, same move set as ds2 party, but high dark damage. Just rare as hell.
Are status effect builds viable? Ie bleed toxic or poison.
In any of the games?
>>333390525
keep sperging please but I've known it's shit for a long time but since you can't provide me a site with more info on armor than it currently provides, princess, I suggest you dial it down a bit
I just wanted to talk about armors, so excuuuuuse me
>>333390793
>filthy mage
no wait it's also great :^)
>>333390812
>win10
I found your problem.
Did they finally figure out how hitstop works for this game? Please tell me they did.
>>333390865
>He's not a mage
>>333390812
Turning it off generally increases lag, as it makes the game skip whole frames.
Dunno if desktop composition affects win 10 but that's what caused the lag in Win8. Ironically, slapping sweetFX on the game removed that and reduced the lag as a result.
>>333389969
something edgy and dark for me.,.,.,.,.,. like my soul.,.,,,.,.,.,.,
>>333389918
I know what set im going for. In DS1, no matter what build I made I always ended up wearing the Gold-Hemmed Black Set, I love how it looks
>>333389969
ORENSTIN
ORENSTIN
ORENSTIN
>self revive miracle
>hp regen gear
I know what I'm going for.
>>333389040
Estoc has better range and a more versatile R2. Isn't it also easy as fuck to poise through the Ricard R2?
>>333389969
I'm going to use the winged knight armor if it means being able to do aFat Officialbuild.
>>333390979
>hitstop
...What? I hope you're not talking about that shit like in Smash or Dogma where the game slows down when you land an attack and the enemy wiggles around. Because this isn't an arcadey enough game for that nonsense.
>>333390753
Unique =/= better. Demon's Spear has more reach, which it also does less damage than.
It's not better than the rest, and that's fine. It's not a good weapon, and that's fine. It looks great, and I find it fun to use, but it's outclassed.
>>333391128
>they're bringing back Second Chance
I hope to fuck you can only use it once per life, or else PvP is going to drag on forever.
>>333389731
>Str/dex/faith
Claymore is great overall. Really glad they've brought the DS1 version back in 3 instead of the shitty one that was in 2.
Going to use it until I find vid related.
dat weapon art.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYH7CG-fSYA&feature=youtu.be&t=89
>>333389969
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Sunless+Set
>feminine silhouette
seems gay enough for me especially with the trap ring
>>333391131
Not so much the poise as you can just sidestep the attack since it has no tracking and the user is locked in place. That shit happens even in PvE using Ricards R2s.
>>333391209
>this isn't an arcadey enough game
>flips through the air
>floating katana jump swings
>fucking cartwheels
>not arcadey
nigga u wot
>>333387495
Zwei is better in every regard bar PvP.
>>333391131
Can't say for sure, but I think the other guy was talking about its damage output, and that R2 can put out huge damage. I also don't really think poise is an issue in PvE.
>>333390753
Demon's Spear does more lightning damage even at 40 fth and it's the longest ranged spear.
>>333391293
i miss this one. the butcher knife was boring as fuck
>>333391293
Really? I had that in my inventory since forever and I didnt even bother checking its stats. Fuck me
>>333390913
Huh what sword is that?
>>333391338
Game is online bruh, how the fuck are you gonna implement the screen freeze without ruining it for other players?
Imagine getting invaded and having the dickwraith spamming R2 attacks from miles away, stopping your game every 2 seconds.
>>333391253
there's no spell uses anymore and everyone chugs flasks anyway, have fun anon
>>333391546
silver knight nofagsallowed sword
>>333391235
>outclassed
Does demon's spear have anywhere near as good a moveset? no? darn I guess it's not outclassed then
>>333391312
>Moon faggots
Does ds3 have a way to go back into character creation?
In a post-Dragons Dogma world every rpg should have it
>sexiest and coolest weapon animation in the game
>it's complete junk tier
IT'S
NOT
FAIR
>>333391551
That's not how hitstop works. I mean, shit, hitstop is a staple mechanic of 2D fighters, and the gross majority of those feature online play. Are you really this ignorant?
>>333391543
Scales like a motherfucker too, something like S STR, S DEX, A FAI
Shit was fucking ridiculous, and the rolling attack was some complete AoE bullshit
I'll be honest I loved it
>>333385019
is it still shit indark soul 3?
Who are the waifus of DS3?
>>333391636
Thanks. After 300 hours igt i have never used that.
>>333391672
with full arcane gems the thing could melt away full health, just now he ryuko is just better in every way.
>>333391584
That's what i'm saying. If you can renew the your revival endlessly by chugging estus and popping the spell again then PvP is going to drag on for fucking centuries just like it did with Second Chance users in DeS. I want them to restrict it to one revival per life and have it fail on successive attempts.
>>333391758
prepare for quality
>>333391584
Fuck yes.
>>333387267
Heide weapons/armor are the best. I love the spear and swords.
>>333391827
It only gives you 1 hp, man. It's not that good.
>>333391872
>they didn't bring them back in das3
why even live?
>>333391551
>screen freeze
Hitstop is not screen freeze. What you know as "screen freeze" is your Dark Souls dropping frames because From couldn't program a game engine to save their lives.
>>333391748
Firekeeper and Anri
You literally marry the latter
>>333388397
you want to tell me, that this one is the bad design?
upgrading it even further looks like an abominationexcept thats what you meant, then im the stupid one
>>333391730
The weapon art does retarded damage. But swordspear is better.
>>333391951
In DaS3? Good. I think in DeS it restored like half your HP.
Have been playing DS1 and just got past Anor Londo. I've yet to be invaded. Is this normal? Also pc.
>>333391394
>>333391235
Go Dex/Faith build, find out this spear is stronger in terms of damage than demon's spear, then come back here
>>333392041
It did. Was dumb as hell.
>>333391878
She looks so cute in regular pics but really shit in the actual javs. Japs can't into proper lighting I swear.
>>333391696
>2D fighters,
Which are 1 vs 1 games dedicated purely to a player fighting another player in a small enclosed room. There's no PvE, there's no huge area with a player possibly minding his own business and fighting other shit. Are you really fucking comparing hack and slash RPGs with 2D fighters?
>>333391338
It's not. It's still methodical in terms of gameplay and having your attacks pause everytime you hit something would make the game even slower.
>>333392058
Are you in human form?
>>333392035
well, i liked the design of the weapon, but it was not really as good as the demon spear for example
and i really want to run around as ornstein and do decent damage to most enemies
>>333391696
This isn't a 2d fighter and the game isn't designed with "hitstop" in mind.
>>333391637
Go quality build and find out the Demon's Spear does the same amount of damage as Ornsteins, with less stat investment, more range, and taking less than half the weight.
>>333392307
Actually, a few select enemies in Dark Souls 1 do have hitstop implemented, such as the various iterations of the Asylum Demon, and the Silver Knights.
God only knows why From forgot to implement it for all the other mobs.
>Play Dark Souls 1
>I can use literally any weapon to clear the game and do pvp so long as I upgrade it. Nothing is nonviable.
>Play DS2
>There are some weapons you simply cant use
>Bloodborne
>There are like 7 weapons all together
>DS3
>....?
>>333391672
>BoM
>bad
what? carried me through defiled chalice, no problem
>>333392154
Dragon's Dogma, Kingdoms of Amalur, Torchlight, Grim Dawn, and many other aRPGs feature hitstop, and benefit from the kinaesthetics it offers. Why not Souls?
>hurr durr Souls is slower and more methodical
Player walk/run speed in Souls is slower, true, but attacks, magics, and special attacks are still way faster than, say, Dragon's Dogma. Which, I remind you, uses copious amounts of hitstop in a true Capcom fashion.
>>333392484
>Gimping yourself out of miracles
please try again buddy
>>333392484
Fuck, I meant to reply to >>333392090
>>333389794
I liked that you got the actual weapon they were using as opposed to a re-scaled version. I also liked that you didn't always get them, so in the first few months a lot of people just weren't aware of them existing.
>>333391637
Yes, it's outclassed. It is not as good as other spears in damage output, range, or moveset variety in either PvE or PvP.
>>333392090
Alright, I've done that before. 40 Faith saw the Demon's dealing more lightning damage, and more overall damage. At lower Faith, and higher Dex, a Lightning Spear deals more damage.
If your argument is going to turn in to "WELL LEVEL UP MORE UNTIL I'M RIGHT", that's no defense for the quality of the weapon. The difference would be tiny for wasted levels at that point.
>Sky high damage
>Pellet spread is so wide that it might as well just deal negative damage altogether
Despair
Speaking of Souls weapons, I haven't really been following DaS3 and was wondering about how weapon upgrading works. Tell me they aren't reintroducing the retarded non-scaling upgrade paths of DeS and DaS1. Also is the game using upgrade paths or DaS2's infusion system?
>>333390356
HERE HERE
>>333392778
Alright, sure, go faith for the miracles. Now Ornstein's spear does 30 more physical damage, in exchange for a lower reach and occupying 15 poise worth of weight more than the Demon's Spear. Not to mention you have the more flexibility to choose between an intelligence or a faith build with it.
>>333392953
are you actually trying to tell me that DEX/Faith builds get more damage from another spear?
>>333390990
>He's not a Qualityfag
>>333393029
It's similar to DaS from what I understand.
>>333391962
Goddamn. Wish they brought back more stuff. One of the few things I liked better in ds1 over 2 was the weapons all having unique power attacks based on the enemy you got them from. Wonder what the heide's stuff would have been.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPqj6WaTFOE
best weapon design
but
1. you cant use it if you go full strength or full magic build
2. even then its not that good except to use it against skeletons, with other greatswords being more useful than that
>>333386572
ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS PORT ACROSS THE HOLY MOONLIGHT SWORD
AS SIMPLE AS THAT
FUCK
It's for INT builds anyway, so I doubt I'll be shooting for it with my first characters.
I dislike playing non-faith casters for some reason.
>>333388403
How come the mana bar isn't draining this time?
>>333385357
See
>>333386131
I always get master key and rush astoras if I do a cleric build. Shit is OP as fuck pretty much until Anor Londo.
>>333386572
What's wrong with split damage?
>>333390356
DEUS VULT
>>333393675
I thought that skill used durability. Or was that something else.
>>333393329
intredasting
what to choose... what to choose, probably going refined at first since quality build will be likely to test out what I like and what actually works for me in pvp and pve
>>333387774
I feel like such the dipshit running around wielding two zweis wearing nothing but a helmet and leather pants and boots. It's a good pain.
>>333393350
who knows.. more old stuff might come back in the DLCs
>>333393329
Fuck I can't wait to get my hands on this. It sucks becauseI need a PC, but Ive never touched BB because no Ps4.
I would rather just get it on PC, but god damnt... I can't just skip BB, ive played all the others.
Wish I wasnt such a poorfag. Maybe Ill sell one of my guns.
>>333393151
30/30 build
Demon's deals more damage in general.
40/40
Dragon's deals more physical damage, but less lightning. Physical defense here is possibly what cut its damage down when I tested it, but considering the points put to strength to get the full use of the weapon, it's not particularly worth it. I can buff almost any other spear and deal almost the same damage. Again, for pure versitality, it's being outclassed. Moveset, outclassed. Range, outclassed.
So sure, Anon, you finally managed to get me to jump through enough hoops to be able to say "haha it does more damage right here!", but the fact it takes that to make it work? Seems a bit like a shit weapon to me. At this point I could just equip a Lucerne and deal almost 100 more damage, too.
>>333390356
Only do faith for the buffs and bolts, I like the offensive miracles
Clerics a shit
>>333393808
everything
>oh so your physical dmg resistance lowers my already split&nerfed physical damage
>aaand your elemental dmg resistance lowers my added elemental dmg as well
>oh noes it's not even scaling with my stats anymore
>totaling less than with just one damage type that overpowers the one type of resistance
>>333392981
>Fires as fast as you can pull the trigger
>Consumes 3 ammo per shot
>Only holds 3 ammo
Borderlands RNG was retarded.
>>333393808
It calculates with both defenses which usually means lower damage.
>>333394425
2 and TPS have some of the least satisfying guns ever generated.
Even a basic, found-in-a-bin Tediore shotgun in 1 was better than all the shotguns in the later games.
>>333394424
This is 100% true, but you cant buff both weapons. On DaS 2 I will infuse 1 for the left hand, then put a maxed out uninfused in the right.
I just switch to my catalyst, buff, switch back, and power stance
>>333392028
As much as I thoroughly enjoyed that Zelda had upgrades for your 'gear', especially the sword, I have to agree; Both of the upgrades makes the Kokiri-sword look-alike seem like a boss weapon, with the rest of them gradually getting uglier.
>>333394247
I think you're missing the point. go 40 dex 40 faith or even 30 dex 30 faith. For this particular stat investment, Dragonslayer is better than Demon's. on top of this investment you get miracles to go with it. But sure, restrain yourself to just the spear. Even then you can't call the moveset better.
>>333394735
Or wait, reverse that. I use resin on the 1 I dont buff... I forget. One of the 2 is better when buffes with resin vs coating spells because it just adds to the damage.
>>333393329
Fucking hell. Let's hope From learned their lesson from previous games and at least balanced them so that you can't break the game again simply by leveling the bare minimum offensive skills required by the weapon and then dumping rest of your points into health and stamina.
Adding back some of DeS' upgrades is fantastic though.
>>333392981
Nigga that was Gaiges best gun. Sure you had to have it to their heads, but the damage it could do was obscene. Got me through the peak no problems backed up by a seeker, and is a crazy easy farm.
>>333394425
A jacobs grip + equip could get it up to 3 shots on Gaige. That one has a shitty torgue grip.
>>333393329
Are infused weapons, like say fire infusion, always on fire? The blade I mean
>>333394903
From is extremely slow at learning.
>>333394903
>From learned their lesson
>From
>learned their lesson
/v/ will sooner learn not to buy shitty rehashed game from an incompetent studio.
I remember my first playthrough with a zweihander like a scrub, then I thought claymore was the best, then I finally settled for the longsword.
To me they're like the sister sluts from Kanojo x Kanojo x Kanojo.
I like big tits sometimes but shes boring. Then there's the mc's first love with sizable breasts whos fun to fool around with, but then you realize shes not all that flawless. But then I discovered the truth in the modest loli sister and immediately knew in my heart that the longsword is life.
>>333393329
I saw one of the bigger paladin type enemies hitting the ground with their mace with some attacks and it left a small glowing thing on the ground that exploded after a few seconds. I'm assuming it does damage to the player.
Can I do that with arts or the same weapon or what?
>>333394836
If you wanted to run a faith build, Dragonslayer's has 30 more physical damage than Demon's. In exchange, you lose range, 15 poise worth of equip load, and it requires more stat investment than a quality Demon's build that does the same amount of damage. Their movesets are on about the same level (not amazing).
So, if you want an intelligence, quality, or vitality/endurance gouge build, Demon's Spear is strictly better than Dragonslayer's, and if you want a faith build, Dragonslayer's spear does 30 more physical damage in exchange for some non negligible tradeoffs. It really isn't that great.
>>333395369
Longsword confirmed child molester weapon
>>333394836
No, 30/30 has Demon's dealing more damage. At 40/40, the damage output, with split resistances, has it dealing far less damage than it's worth. Three other spears, with more varied movesets but less reach, deal roughly the same damage when buffed. The miracles gained from going to 40 aren't really a benefit at all. The scaling from 30-40 you could probably argue is worth it, but I'm not gonna entertain that one.
That's ignoring the weight and stat investment you aren't benefiting from in any way other than being able to hold the thing.
It really isn't a good weapon, I don't see why you're trying so hard to prove otherwise.
>>333395586
>Small damage, Poise, equip load, more stat investment, bad moveset, faith isn't worth it
>Now if you invest MY WAY you get EXTRA damage, more VERSATILITY, take it goy!
I love that you consider the small things negligible when it's convenient for your argument, but then you exaggerate them when it's against mine.
>>333392581
>Dark Souls 1
>Nothing is unviable in PvP
ha
>>333394709
Borderlands 1's system was Litterally perfect. The amount of dumbing-down that happened to the loot generation system between 1&2 is insane.
All they needed to do was show reload time on the Guncard and explain how elemental Procs worked (in-game description is vauge, and VERY misleading, community had to figure it out by themselves and found out there was hidden stats). Instead they simpler everything so they wouldn't need to explain it, and in the process made DOTs 100% useless and completly removed the bonus damage explosions.
Not to mention making weapon generation super basic, Bl1 had checks and requirements that further altered a gun depending on stats, and titles/prefixes affected stats meaning there was weird min-maxing to get the "best" gun by having sub-par parts so you'd get a certain Prefix that gave an awesome stat boost. Bl2 had less part slots and no checks or titles/prefixes doing anything.
Bl1 was great but had issues, Bl2 fixed a few things but for every step forward it rolled off 3 cliffs backwards. I'm still mad, and the fact that Bl2 is considered the best by people who don't know better just makes it worse because we're never going back to (or especially expanding upon) the Bl1 system. Fuck Gearbox, you blew it.
Anyway, gun porn time.
i got up to orstein/smough and i'm still using the fucking scimitar
where can I find some good curved sword ? i'm liking that moveset
>>333385019
Are Spears good in Dark Souls 3?
>>333389451
That one was better.
>>333395663
You're ignoring the superior moveset of the Dragonslayer's spear as well
>>333396007
But investing his way requires less levels, and when you're going higher for something as small as 30 damage, it's just a silly way to make it seem like the weapon is actually good. If you can't understand why he's saying that, I don't think you're in a good position to continue this.
>>333396367
I'm sure you're shitposting at this point.
>>333396264
>that borderlands 2 shotgun that spoke whenever you got a headshot, destroyed a barrel or reloaded
the game had some cool concepts with the guns
>>333396370
I'm not going for 30 damage, I'm going for the ability to use miracles as well as a better moveset, you can't argue those
>>333396007
>>Now if you invest MY WAY you get EXTRA damage
Who are you quoting?
>I love that you consider the small things negligible when it's convenient for your argument, but then you exaggerate them when it's against mine.
No, those small things are not negligible in either case, and in both cases they count against the Dragonslayer's spear. As I said, at best you get 30 points more of physical damage, but those downsides will still be present.
>>333396459
I'm shitposting because you're ignoring the moveset?
>weapon looks cool
>its shit but has some neat gimmicks
>use it anyway
>learn its strengths
>master its shittness
>pwn kids with it so hard they start screaming OP!!!!1!
>>333396603
Pro's of Dragonslayer's spear with proper stat investment:
>Miracles
>Better Moveset
Pro's of Demon's Spear with proper investment:
>Damage
>range
>>333396289
Gravelord sword if you don't mind it being slow, or the quelaags furysword if you still have her soul.
Gravelord is available as soon as you get to firelink, if you don't mind a suicide run into the catacombs.
>>333396865
>you need a +10 curved sword for kellogg's furysword
fuck me, why did i make my scimitar raw
>>333396518
Alright, think about it this way. We're going to run a faith build no matter what. We'll have 24 points in strength, 40 in dexterity, and 40 in faith. We have miracles no matter what. However, we have two different weapons with different traits. With weapon A, we get 30 points more damage. With weapon B, we get 6 equip load to work with, which can let us use more tools, or give us around 15 poise, and we have more range. In this case, weapon A is a tradeoff at best compared to weapon B. Now think of every other case, where weapon B is strictly better.
>>333385851
>not balder side sword
>>333397076
>raw
For what reason?
>>333397076
>raw
>ever
>>333397167
i... don't really know
i'm playing the game half way blind and more damage seemed neat
>>333396289
Falchion is good, and the painting guardians drop a pretty good weapon with decent damage and bleed if you're okay with a shorter range.
>>333397076
Raw is shit, it isn't even a complete upgrade path. Go get a falchion or a painting guardian sword and upgrade them to +15 regular instead.
>>333397167
he can get a chievo for a +5 raw weapon
literally the only reason to make one
>>333385751
I wish it was a little better, but it worked fine for my Rei Ayanami build.
>>333397259
Just start a new game and get gravelorded up, chief. You'll be back in anor londo in a few hours.
>>333396518
What, Bountiful Sunlight? What other miracles do you get between 30-40? And the moveset isn't better. Did you pay no attention to the earlier image listing the movesets? A varied moveset is a good moveset, they have the same variation.
The weapon is, at best, dealing slightly more damage. That's the only real benefit, and considering what you lose for that tiny damage increase, it's not worth the investment. Keep digging your heels in and refusing to accept that, but it doesn't make the weapon any better.
>>333386286
Stat investment. Also seriously that spear is fucking awesome for poking people, pure int damage is great. Even if the damage isn't as good as MLGS its still awesome.
>>333388961
>being this much of a masochist
UPGRADE YOUR WEAPON
>>333385019
Guys, I'm doing my first playthrough and going for a quality build, either 27 str / 40 dex or 40/40
What weapons besides claymore and halberd are worth upgrading? Any fast weapon that'd work with this build? I'm in Anor Londo at the moment, if this matters. Haven't killed the boss in area yet, but I completed Painted World
Primary weapon:
- Claymore +15 (PvE/PvP)
Secondary weapons:
- Greatsword of Artorias +5 (PvE)
- Abyss Greatsword +5 (PvE)
- Ricard's Rapier +15 (PvP)
- Lifehunt Scythe +5 (PvE/PvP)
- Chaos Shotel +5 (PvP)
- Grass Crest Shield +15
- Greatshield of Artorias +5
- Gough's Greatbow +5
- Composite Bow +15
Primary Armor:
- Dingy Set +10
Tertiary weapons:
Gold Tracer +5, Dark Silver Tracer +5, BSS +14, Fire BSS +9, Demon Great Machete +14, Divine Iaito +9, Fire Flamberge +9, Lightning Uchigatana +4, Washing Pole +14, Zaphander +4, Quelaag's Furysword +5, Gravelord Sword +5, BKS +5, BKGS +5, BKGA +5, BKH +5, Crystal Ring Shield +5
Secondary Armors:
Elite Knight Set +10, Paladin Set +5, Shadow Set +6
Giant Set +5
Claymore is the greatest weapon in the game with the absolute best moveset.
>>333396780
Pretty much my story with the Dragonslayer Spear
>that one guy that tries to estus only to eat a lightning spear and die
The greatests feeling.
ninja gaiden black anyone? I remember this looked like shit when I upgraded it, or my taste got better.
>>333397795
>wasting this much time grinding upgrade stones
>>333397224
>>333397167
I had a really low level Crestfallen build to invade the Parish with, and my longsword at that point did more damage raw than any other way.
That's about the only time I think it could be worth it, even then it's shit in like 20 more minutes of playtime.
>>333397795
I cant use the claymore, it looks so ugly in the back
also, dont actually tell me you've upgraded all that shit
>>333397913
>what is CE
>>333397693
>Any fast weapon that'd work with this build?
Balder sword
>>333397795
The claymore doesn't even pancake enemies though.
So is dark souls 3 shit or not?
I got the collectors edition on pre order for PS4 and I am gonna buy standard on PC. Why can't they have a US PC collectors edition.
>>333397693
Baseline Longsword, Balder Side Sword, Silver Knight Straight Sword, or Estoc will work.
>>333385019
>weapon looks cool
pic not related
>>333393808
Say the enemy negates 20 physical damage and 20 magic damage
> Sword does 100 physical damage
Enemy absorbs 20 damage, meaning the sword does 80 damage total
> Sword does 50 phys damage, 50 magic damage
Enemy absorbs 20 phys damage and 20 magic damage, meaning a total damage of 60.
>>333398462
>>333398270
thanks friends
>>333398462
BSS is balla for PvE but it's pretty damn shit for PvP. It's not the fastest and it can't effectively stunlock 90% of the players you encounter.
>>333397901
This was a godly weapon though, just needed to commit to upgrading it.
NG also had the opposite, a shitty looking weapon that was broken. I think it was an oar or a paddle of something
>>333398641
BSS is god tier for PvP. It has great reach and it benefits from Leo Ring on its R2's.
>>333385204
at high faith
it also shoots lightning bolts
>>333398641
I agree
It ditch fuckload of damage with lil stamina but is pretty weak in terms of stunlock
>>333398641
>>333398837
>Needing stunlock to PVP efficienly
ABSOLUTE PLEBEIANS
>>333398641
>stunlock
Stunlocks don't kill people and are irrelevant against togglers anyways.
Landing damage kills players. The only real downside for that weapon in PvP is the low critical damage, as backstabs are so relevant.
>>333398940
if you can't stumble them easily you will have to roll around 5+ minutes or they will get that backstab in that they are fishing for since you can't really punish them hard, just poke mostly
anyone have that guide on how to make a thick ass on dark souls 1?
>>333398940
Depends what kind of fag you are fighting, stunlocking ninjarollers is good but anyone with alot of poise is better to ditch loads of damage quick.
Still hornet ring and the balder toothpick is great
>>333388163
axes have higher poise damage than swords and better counter damage than clubs/mace.
>>333398641
>probably the absolute best weapon for PvP in the whole game objectively speaking
>better act contrarian
>>333399236
>axes
>counter damage
Not a thing.
>>333385310
When you learn to use both of them, the one with more damage and more range is better.
>>333398647
It becomes the best weapon
After you upgrade it like 10 fucking times
>>333385019
>weapon looks like garbage
>better than people give it credit for
>>333385886
>the majority of keyblades
>>333387774
Its very empowering to slam that badboy down on top of enemies knowing them prone. Totally the best 2-hander in DaS.
>>333389190
I had a lot of fun cruising around with the fake sword, it had a good moveset and surprisingly good damage. Not too bad on the eyes, either.
>>333385019
Its really good in pvp, good reach + high poise damage when two handed. Spam r1 when they are far away from you, and when they get close to parry you, you get a free backstab. But then again all spears are kinda good in pvp.
>>333396515
Yeah it had great ideas, especially for unique guns, but the loot system got fucked on a fundemental level.
That talking gun?
> It always has the same body, Hyperion Blue-rarity body.
> It always has the same barrel, unique talking shotgun barrel
> Grip, stock, sight, Accesory and element can change between Hyperion, Jakobs, Tediore, Bandit, Torgue. Sight can be "none". Accesory can be a choice of 5 different ones. Element can be Normal, Fire, Shock, Acid, Slag.
That's 5*5*5*5*6=3750 different combinations possible.
If that same shotgun had been in Bl1
> Choice of 5 Bodies
> Locked barrel giving unique affect
> 5 Sights + "none"
> 5 Magazines
> 5 Assesories, +3 elements
> 5 Stocks
> Material locked because it's a unique.
5*5*5*8*5 = 5000
It's more, significantly so. AND the actual variation is much higher because in BL1 parts affect stats by huge amounts (different between body 1 and body 5 is 60% damage) whereas Bl2 the only swappable parts change stats very minorly so as long as you got the element (and Accesory if you really care) you wanted it makes no difference. In Bl1 a magazine could make or break a gun, in Bl2 it's not even a swappable part and Grips only offer minuscule affects.
It gets even worse when you look at non unique guns, SMGs for example. Bl2 has.
> 5 brands
> 4 rarities
> 5 Barrels
> 5 Sights
> 5 Accesories
> 5 grips
> 5 stocks
> 4 elements
Bl1 has
> 5 brands
> 3 skins for each brand
> 5 bodies
> 5 Barrels
> 5 sights
> 5 Magazines
> 5 stocks
> 8 Accesories, including 3 elements
> A bunch of titles/prefixes, which are determined by stats and a priority ranking system. Affects stats.
>>333399607
knocking* them prone
>was getting DaS3 for ps4 because of amazon's discount
>GMG has it for $50 now on pc
Only 4bux more for better framerate and easier recording, should I swap? Deluxe edition is also on discount there
>>333399481
I know that feel
>>333385357
Is it any good in DS3?
>>333397913
>being so casual not to invest time into finding, upgrading, and testing all weapons to find the best weapon in the game
Wikibaby eh? :3
>Weapon looks like shit
>It's fucking amazing
>Giantdads and Zweifags try to stunlock
>I don't even dodge and just spam R1 until they die because they can't parry
Seriously it is so easy to wreck the shit out of zweifags with this. You'll hit them 3 times and make them Bleed once before their first swing lands, they'll hit you twice before you can roll out, then you hit them two more times, they Bleed again and die.
>>333389451
Fuck DaS2 for what it did to the BKGA and BKGS. The Halberd got out alright but I'm still mad.I miss those animations
>>333385357
Its an absolutely amazing weapon as a Cleric with Masterkey all the way until after Anor Londo.
Its extremely solid and I think it serves its purpose very well. Ive done about 3 runs using it at the very start, its such a good fucking all around weapon.
Also makes catacombs incredibly easy early on.
>>333393329
>hollow scaling
BBS BOYS
>>333386929
Polehammer works with the Crit rings when you do a stab with it+hit at right time.
Its actually pretty incredible.
Its very versatile in SP, MP its not that great unless you are a pro.
>>333399884
I love using weapons like this because it's considered "dishonorable" among the "you must use the claymore or the zweihander" "community".
>>333399728
I would. Even if you don't care about the online play frame rate is always nice, but PC version is probably the version with most longevity with its online action. Partly because on PS4 you have to pay for it.
>>333398837
>>333399158
>ditch
It's dish, anon. Dish.
I always liked the look of the butcher's knife and the fact that it's an axe
just felt weak overall, and the R2 is funny but pretty useless
>>333399686
>no x4 SMGs
Literally shit.
I can't understand why they don't make Borderlands mod-friendly, it would be radical as fuck.
Then again it's Gearbox.
>>333388070
The Cathedral Knight set is nice, but the chest makes your character look fat as fuck from any angle other than the front.
>>333399728
I really wish prime discounted steam keys. I should probably cancel this shitty service before they autocharge my account again.
>>333400120
PSN+ cost isn't really a worry. I still get lots of action in bloodborne on ps4 or sotfs on pc, or even demons on ps3. I know the communities aren't going to die anytime soon at least
>>333396359
I'm almost done on my first playthrough and after a quick fling with the Halberd I've been using Black Knight Sword since ever.
But then again, I have no idea what I'm doing.
>>333387495
Keep upgrading that claymore, the Claymore is a 9/10 weapon, usable and good the entire game.
Only the Zweihander is as a comparable sword. better PvE but its slower/heavier
>>333392581
>DS1
>All weapons viable
What is fists/cestus?
>>333388167
its literally the same one in bloodborne
lame
Are there good barbarian sets in DaS3? I want to wear pelts and parade around shirtless with a huge axe
>>333400440
I know for a fact that theirs a build that turns one of the special fists into something viable. I think it requires dragon cov.
>>333392581
>Demon's souls
>weapon stat scaling is actually worth a damn
>>333400168
The butchers knife is one of the stronger and best scaling 1 handed strength weapons though.
>>333392581
>Dark Souls 1
>Any weapon is viable
Bullshit. Whips were awful and so was every fist weapon.
>>333400816
I dont wanna even hear it, I've seen people beat over 3/4 of the game by rolling into bosses with kirks armor.
>>333401025
I want proof of this, I've got time to kill today and I need a good laugh.
>>333388403
>it uses durability
>when there's finally a magic bar in the game
a team fucking up even harder than b team
What's gonna be your DaS3 weaponfu?
>>333400440
They are viable, whips on the other hand sadly are pretty shitty
>>333401025
>>333401086
There was one guy who beat the game with a jury rigged Rock Band drum set instead of a controller.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02my_zhX4Bs
>>333385336
>>333385129
Dragonslayer spear has the highest poise break out of all spears in Ds1 you uncultured swine
>>333401139
Sunlight Straight Sword, baby. Not as good as the Broadsword meme weapon but it's still gonna carry me to NG+7.After I finally get done with my SL1 run
So I have the zweihander... It is so slow. What do you guys think about it?
I am in the assasins city now, should I use it or stay with the drake sword? The zweihander is so slow...
>>333401139
That's some berserker shit right here
>>333399686
BL2 loot is better than 1. Its not even a contest. 1 is all just numbers, 2 gives brands identities worth a shit and introduces gyros. BL1 fans are cancer.
So I have upgraded strength a lot and now I am thuinking of upgrading stamina a lot. What do you guys think. I am talking about Dark souls... Stamina seems like it´s the most important actually.
who puts a goddamn space after a may may arrow? a fucking redditor that's who
>>333402167
Points into endurance isn't a waste.
>>333401139
You just posted it
how early on can you get it?
>>333402323
It's a boss weapon but I don't know when you can get it.
>>333402323Abysswatchers are the first Lords of Cinder you fight, sovery early
>>333400816
>every fist weapon.
>what are claws
I've ran the numbers on Dark Souls weapons. With equal stats and upgrades they really are balanced. Even "bad" weapons will only take 4-5 more hits to kill a boss on NG+. Some of them make up for it with a quicker moveset or larger hitbox.
>>333387761
not to mention that DeS MLGS served a purpose design wise. worked wonders against Garl, rewarding you for exploring.
>>333402504
Can't really compare 4-5 dagger hits with 4-5 ultra greatsword hits though
>>333402059
>Torgue guns
>Stuck with slow as shit bullets
>Tediore guns
>stuck with shit damage
>Dahl guns
>stuck with a shit rate of fire unless
>Hyperion guns
>have to empty a magazine in one go to actually deal damage worth a shit
>Bandit guns
>stuck with shit precision
>Maliwan guns
>stuck with shit pistols
>Jakobs
>stuck with shit magazine size shotguns
>Vladof
>the only decent one
>has no shotguns
And most of all
>Guns manifacturers don't make ALL the gun types
BL2 fags are cancer.
>>333391356
True
>>333402743
>unless*
meant unless you use 5 bullets per shot guns or uniques/legendary etc. but that applies to almost any gun.
>Wanted lightning Battle Axe like a Viking god
>Moveset is fucking garbage
>>333401139
Longsword like always
I hope they fix the ultra heavy weapons in DaS3. I really don't want the only viable options to be FUGS or its counter. Both are pretty faggy.
>>333401139
I think they finally unfucked the stat requirements of Artorias' Greatsword in DaS3, so I'm probably going to end up using that
>>333390356
>>333390793
>not doing both
>>333402942
Have you tried the Dragonslayer's Crescent Axe in DSII?
It even looks a bit like a Dane bearded axe
Retard question; what's the max Soul Level in these games?
>>333403664
Whatever SL it takes for you to get 99 in every stat
>>333403664
Whatever 99 in every stat ends up being
>>333403438
Is that axe actually good? It looked cool, but I always ignored it because of the split damage, plus the scaling never seemed to be that good.
Are there any good spears in DS3?
>>333403729
>>333403753
Okay; another stupid question: around what Soul Level is ordinary for taking on the 3 douchebags in the prison on DS2? Got the game from a friend for free, trying to beat it in time for DS3 release. Started with a hatchet and bow.
>>333403664
It's around 719 from what I remember.
>>333403982
30-ish. The Ruin Sentinels are extremely weak to Strike damage, the Blacksmiths Hammer you can find right near where they are shreks them.
>>333403982
50 I guess if you do everything before them and maybe some co-op
>>333403982
The Ruin Sentinels?
I think I was around 40 most of the times I fought them, maybe a bit higher. Just get a blunt weapon, like a mace or the blacksmith's hammer and they go down pretty quick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXaoRshgBhs
>like some of these movesets
>their stats/scaling probably suck
>>333404159
boss weapons are 90% trash since you cant infuse them and they all have horrible scaling
>>333404298
>can't infuse
as in making them into a lightning weapon, or buffing them with a spell? for WHAT purpose
>>333404298
goddamnit, From, the boss weapons were supposed to good this time around... YOU CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS! REBALANCE THEM, REBALANCE THEM NOW!
>>333399686
>>333396264
I'm saving this because you said it better than i can.
People who like BL2 don't really like borderlands they just like shooters is what it comes down to.
>>333404108
>>333404135
>Blackssmith Hammer
My strength is only 11,and I still haven't found that. Guess I need to continue exploring the area further, before tackling those fucks. My Hatchet wasn't enough, even upgraded.
>>333404495
they have unique attacks
why use other weapons if boss weapons are the best at everything? there has to be some flaws.
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