Name a single good video-game that doesn't involve killing people/monsters/robots/etc.
SimCity 4, Dirt Rally. Is this a troll thread?
>>333369256
you do kill people in sim city though
Nfs underground 2
tetris
what do I win?
>kill
>robots
How does one kill an object?
>>333369330
killing people in simcity isnt an objective its something to avoid
but, SpaceChem
Journey
Flower
>what are puzzle games
>what are rhythm games
ANNO 1404
Football Manager series
Portal
Tony Hawk American Wasteland.
Hell you could say in Hearthstone or Magic you aren't killing anything since its a card game.
>>333369523
>implying you don't killthe rhythm
>>333369381
shredding mad gnar is not a victimless crime.
Panel De Pon
Elite Beat Agents
Was going to say Katamari Damacy, but on second thought it might be one of the most violent games there is.
Tetris
Pokemon
Animal Crossing
>>333369215
Katamari Damacy
Pushmo
BoxBoy
Puzzle Bubble
Tetris
Puyo Puyo
Harvest moon
>>333369578
Maybe if you suck dick at it.
The game punishes you for it too so clearly this is not the goal.
Audiosurf, OSU
>>333369568
You kill robots.
>>333369690
>Popping innocent puyo
>>333369215
Dustforce
>>333369690
>Katamari Damacy
This is a joke right?
You collect humans and animals in the game just so your father can use their cells to blow them up to use as new stars.
>>333369215
garden warfare
>>333369682
cockroaches. snowmen.
>>333369215
LittleBigPlanet
>>333369690
you kill the entire population of the earth at the end of the first game because the king wants to wuww up to make a single staw in za skai
>>333369842
seems like "etc"
>>333369215
Double Dragon
>>333369215
literally undertale
>>333369215
Racing games
>>333369215
pokemon
>>333369215
Batman: Arkham series
>>333369215
Tetris
minesweeper
pinball
baseball
football
Racing games.
Puzzle games.
Rhythm games.
Fighting games.
Sports games.
Is OP drunk or just an incredibly stupid individual that just playing SHOOTAN GAYMS.
Gone home, firewatch, dear esther, everyone's gone to the rapture
>>333369215
Non combat games include puzzle, rhythm, sport, racing, economic, trivia, batsu, social, prediction, and gambling.
There are plenty of examples.
>>333369896
I killed everyone when I played Undertale therefore the game involves killing monsters.
trauma center
>>333369980
but it doesn't have to involve killing monsters, you can play the whole game without doing so
>>333369958
It's obviously a thinly veiled recommendation thread.
>>333370008
It doesn't have to, but it does.
>>333369407
substance dualist, please go!
>>333369595
You kill viruses in one mission in EBA.
>>333369215
>killing robots
>killing
>robots
>killing things that aren't alive
>>333370041
>but it does.
again, it only involves killing if you choose to do so
so by that same argument it doesn't
>>333369215
Smash 4
Cs:s German edition
>>333370056
and the alien leader in the last stage
>>333369967
>Good
>Games
>>333369682
Sharks
>>333370070
>robots
>aren't alive
>>333370085
the pikmins
>>333370056
>Viruses
>Life
Buzz
>>333370147
They fucking aren't no matter how much we program them to bitch about it.
>>333370203
both are physical matter with energy flowing through them
what's the difference, provided robots get advanced enough for AI?
[BREATHING UNDERWATER INTENSIFIES]
>>333370203
>implying humans aren't just meat robots programmed to bitch about dying
Tekken and Fight Night
They only get knocked out.
>>333370158
Those are. Even look like humans.
>>333370149
Shit, you're right
>>333369215
Gone Home
>>333370263
Because it's a fucking machine.
>>333370268
>humans are robots
We are not artificially created mechanisms.
>>333370390
so let me get this straight, if something is intelligently designed and perfect robot waifu, it isn't alive, but if someone was formed from millions of years of dumb trial and error after some freak accident, it's alive, even if they work under much of the same principles?
>>333370267
good taste my nig
>>333369215
Lumines.
Crash Team Racing
>>333369215
Walking simulators are technically games.
>>333370487
Yes and no, they do not work under the same basic principle.
>>333369690
But you kill your chances of ever getting laid by playing those games.
Mario Kart
>>333370550
Do tell me about these completely arbitrary principles.
>>333370501
I just wish I found out about this game sooner, before it apparently got plagued with PS4 and XBone shitters quitting most matches early. Still the most fun I've had with any vidya in a long time.
>>333370551
Nah, girls lobe puyo puyo
>>333370605
>arbitrary principles
Do you have cells and a biology? No?
Then you aren't fucking alive.
Otherwise you could claim viruses are alive.
>>333369215
Street fighter and harvest moon
>>333370741
Girls don't know what puyo puyo is.
Racing games
Fighting games
Life simulation games
Puzzle games
>>333370817
You have to kill your animals to marry best girlin my opinion.
>>333370754
Caring about literal definitions won't convince anyone, senpai.
A lot of people define being human through emotions and actions. If one day a robot displayed fear a whole lot of fucking people will start to believe robots are alive and have a right to life.
>>333370263
Humans are made by flesh, bones and blood. They have emotions and can think for themselves. We're sentient.
Robots are made with metal, electricity/gas and programming. Robots are incapable of having sentient thought, and any "thought" or "emotion" it does have is programmed in.
>>333370203
>>333370390
>>333370550
>>333370754
>you will never fuck Leviathan
Is there even a reason to live?
>>333369215
Robots are things, you can't kill them.
Monsters are Jews, death is an act of mercy.
Jet Set Radio, Animal Crossing,Second Life.
What was the point of this thread? Literally tons of examples posted already.
>>333370916
>A lot of people define being human through the vaguest flowery shit possible
A lot of people are also idiots.
>>333370953
but isn't any "thought" or "emotion" simply programmed in over thousands of years of fight or flight response as random procreational process?
What makes our genetical programming any different from digital programming, because the material used to make it is different?
>>333371040
Yes, anything else is an artificial replica.
Next question.
>>333370993
because she's dead
>>333370916
A robot displaying fear isn't enough to convince someone of it being human. A robot is literally incapable of having emotions on its own. No matter how advanced our technology becomes, robots need to be programmed to do something.It even needs to be programmed to appear like it's doing things of its own will.
Therefore, combined with the fact that it isn't made through natural means but manmade, it's not human.
>>333371090
>artificial replica
>a replica is an exact reproduction
so an artificial mind will have thoughts and emotions then, by that argument.
>>333369215
Any racing or sim game, several platformers, almost all puzzles. There are entire genres that don't involve having a single thing.
>>333371109
You know she can just be repaired right?
In Zero you cut bosses in half and blew them up and still they kept getting fixed.
Ciel was just a cunt that turned her into a henshin wand.
>>333371158
Artificial minds will have artificial approximations to the genuine article but will never be it.
At best they're life-like, which still doesn't make them living things.
>>333371134
but humans are also programmed to do things by hundreds of millions of years of bruteforce trial and error
emotions are literally just chemicals shot out every time we fill up a checklist
what is the difference between that and something that does the same thing with different materials
>>333371040
There's programming, and there's basic human propensities to display emotions and thoughts.
We gained these things through thousands of years of living in a natural manner.
A robot is incapable of this on its own. It has to be programmed to store certain bits of info and show certain emotions.
>>333369215
Soul Calibur 5
Custom Robo
>>333371158
robots by definition will never have minds, they are meant to execute commands. androids, however may approximate a human mind
>>333369215
Portal
Glados doesn't die. The turrents only "deactivate" - if you count that as killing you're being pedantic.
>>333371261
Humans are not programmed. That's the point.
We talk because we want to talk. We walk because we want to walk.
A robot has to be programmed to do that. It has no free will, no sentient thought. Everything is deliberate with robots. Nothing is deliberate with humans (In terms of emotions and the like)
>>333371349
Androids are still robots.
>/v/ discussing philosophy
I wish you fuckers would put this much effort into discussing vidya
>>333371492
Lol I forgot I was on /v/
>>333369215
Forza
>>333371492
I can't until I unfuckup my 3ds.
>>333371261
Yes, certain emotions are shown when we do certain things, but that's chemicals.
A robot does not have these chemicals and can't do anything with them because it does not have a brain.
Yes, you can argue that humans are "programmed" to display emotions when something happens and that programming a robot is the same.
But a human is programmed through experience. Through living. Through sentient thought and choice.
A robot is programmed by man. With no sentient thought nor choice.
>>333371492
Discussing vidya on /v/ is just a shitflinging contest.
Animal Crossing
>>333371252
from what I can gather the definition of life is
>the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death
if something that's digital can fill up all of the checklists we have of life, what makes it not life?
>>333371274
>It has to be programmed to store certain bits of info and show certain emotions.
Just like we are?
>>333371404
>we talk because we want to talk
we talk because we're able to talk after getting our niche as an intelligent social animal
>we walk because we want to walk
we wouldn't be able to walk as naturally in a 3d space as we do without millions of years of unconscious programming to allow us to do so
you get damage to portions of your brain you can lose your subconscious ability to swallow and walk and even talk
>everything is deliberate with robots
you can program it not to be
>it has no free will, no sentient thought
that's the point, you can program both of those, just like we were programmed to
unless you want to ignore the entire field of neuroscience and unconscious cognition
>>333371594
>human is programmed through experience
partially, a lot of our processes like social behavior and even breathing are not learned
which is why a lot of behaviors are universal and autism is a thing
>But a human is programmed through experience. Through living. Through sentient thought and choice.
you can theoretically give an AI those same sentient thoughts and choice, under different circumstances.
>>333370051
>substance duellist
prog as fuck
>>333371791
>if something that's digital can fill up all of the checklists we have of life, what makes it not life?
The fact it cannot do these things.
>>333369215
Papers, please
>>333371876
>capacity for growth
we can program procedural elements that change themselves along the way to optimize their situation
>reproduction
easy, even easier than biological reproduction
>functional activity
wasn't even a question
>continual change preceding death
and this is where the theoretical constantly changing AI would come in
>>333369215
Fire&Ice
Pokemon
>>333371970
>we can program procedural elements that change themselves along the way to optimize their situation
But they cannot physically grow by themselves.
>easy, even easier than biological reproduction
Robots cannot be born, only manufactured.
>wasn't even a question
Like a good lifeless tool.
>and this is where the theoretical constantly changing AI would come in
The change is bound by how it was programmed.
>>333371791
>>333371970
>from what I can gather the definition of life is
>the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death
Did you skip every science lesson in high school or something?
Life consists of
Movement.
Respiration.
Sensitivity.
Growth.
Reproduction.
Excretion.
Nutrition.
If viruses don't get to be technically alive your shitty computer program doesn't either.
>>333369215
Tetris.
>>333369215
Name a good one that does.
>>333371791
>Just like we are
We learn through experience. We have no fucking clue that you're supposed to cry when someone dies when you're 4 years old.
>we talk because we're able to talk after getting our niche as an intelligent social animal
Literally we learned speech through repetition when someone first discovered (Read: Learned. We never knew we could do that untill then. A robot doesn't know that process. A robot has no knowledge of things preexisting. It only knows things that exist now that it uses) he could go "uuuh" and it built upwards from then on. Learning =/= programming.
>we wouldn't be able to walk as naturally in a 3d space as we do without millions of years of unconscious programming to allow us to do so
>We wouldn't be able to walk as naturally in a 3d space as we do without millions of years of learning how to walk.
A robot is programmed to know how to walk in a straight line immediately. A human learns it through stumbling on the ground untill it can stand properly.
>you can program it not to be
Nope. Everything is deliberate. Even something that appears randomized is deliberately programmed in.
>that's the point, you can program both of those, just like we were programmed to
You can make it look like it is, but it'll never be fully sentient/self-aware.
>you can theoretically give an AI those same sentient thoughts and choice, under different circumstances.
>Theoretically
>>333371712
cockcroaches
Are you fuckers serious? Nobody dies or gets killed in Katamari Damacy.
When the Katamari turns into a planet, everything you rolled gets back on its place. Which is why you can replay the stage again so you can make an even bigger planet.
Don't shove your edgy headcanons in Katamari Damacy.
>>333369215
Tetris. Dr Mario. Madden (or whatever current sports game you fancy) Pokemon
Myst
Tetris
(trigger warning) The Witness
Any Lucasarts adventure game
These are my favourites. Suck it.
>>333372268
Hitman 2,3,4
Hitman 1 is very dated, but regarding soundtracks it goes like 2>1>4>3
>>333372101
>cannot physically grow by themselves
we already have 3d printers friendo
>robots cannot be born
>only manufactured
just like we are manufactured out of a zygote
>the change is bound by how it was programmed
just like how our change is bound by how we are programmed
>>333372172
funny how there's literally bacteria that live without respiration
>>333372296
>learned speech through repetition
speech is more than repetition, by that argument plenty of birds can speak
our speech and language as we know it is possible through our evolution, not merely by our natural intelligence
>a human learns it through stumbling on the ground untill it can stand properly
wrong, walking is literally instinctual, babies cannot walk simply because of physical limitations
doctors will hold a baby up to test its walk cycle.
>theoretically
yes, because we haven't bloody done it yet
just like black holes are theoretical
>everything is deliberate
just like the microsoft chat bot was deliberately programmed to copy messages, but the messages themselves were random, so it started shitposting about trump
pure deliberation does not mean lack of intelligence or randomization, you could have a purely conscious being.
>>333369215
Huniepop
>>333372629
>Any Lucasarts adventure game
Pretty sure you kill someone in one of the Monkey Island games.
>>333369215
Racing games, games that allow you to do no kill runs. Those are the two i can think of.
>>333372693
>developing from zygote to baby and then to man is the same as being manufactured
>3d printers are able to properly replicate cell death and growth, let alone actually increasing the size of the bones
>>333369896
>>333370008
>>333370083
Man you're fucking annoying.
You don't see Deus Ex, Dishonored, Thief, and MGS faggots pointing out their game here and screaming about how cool that they can do non-lethal in their games.
>>333372693
>funny how there's literally bacteria that live without respiration
Name fucking one species that doesn't.
protip: You can't.
Go back to fucking school.
For those saying Portal, don't you have to throw Glados' sentient cores into an incinerator?
Super hexagon
Mario kart
The Stanley Parable
Speed runners
I am bread
>>333369980
they all die when you shut it off, into the void it goes
>>333372848
He's right. Everything respires. Not necessarily O2 but they all respire.
>>333369215
Luigi's Mansion
>>333372879
She's alive in Portal 2 tho
the fucking ending to Portal is even called Still Alive
>>333372879
You can also kill the mini turrets by making them shoot at eachother. Or in other ways.
>>333370754
so if we can create custom self-replicating cellular 'robots', they aren't alive?
>>333372924
>The Stanley Parable
Well, you can kill yourself. I don't know if it counts though. Also, you can kill a "baby" with fire.
>>333370070
>semantics
>this late
>>333372818
>are able to properly replicate cell death and growth, let along actually increasing the size of the bones
theoretically, yes
>>333372842
>>333372961
At least according to wikipedia, there are some anaerobic organisms that get energy through fermentation without respiration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_organism
Under named species I couldn't find enough information about their respiration, however.
>>333372693
>our speech and language as we know it is possible through our evolution, not merely by our natural intelligence
Our evolution of speech is because we kept doing it and we became better at it through thousands of years of doing it.
A robot is programmed to say things and it does it immediately.
>funny how there's literally bacteria that live without respiration
Please do tell
>just like we are manufactured out of a zygote
Ah yes, here we have a plank of wood. In 2 years it will grow into a magnificent wooden table.
Sounds fucking retarded, doesn't it?
>wrong, walking is literally instinctual, babies cannot walk simply because of physical limitations
Alright, instinct. We instinctually try to walk, true.
But then why can't we just walk right out of the gate like robots can when programmed?
Why can't a baby walk right away while a robot can? It has legs, it clearly knows how to use them during the bicycle test the docs give them.
Human programming and robotic programming are the same thing, no?
>just like the microsoft chat bot was deliberately programmed to copy messages, but the messages themselves were random, so it started shitposting about trump
Yes, but that randomization was programmed in.
>pure deliberation does not mean lack of intelligence or randomization, you could have a purely conscious being.
A robot can literally not show intelligence of its own will becáuse it has to deliberately be programmed.
Randomization is programmed and seeming intelligence is programmed in.
>>333373058
Yes, they would not be alive.
>>333373141
>theoretically
>>333372842
The thing is most of those games actually require you to kill some people, like Navarre or The Boss
>>333373198
Nah you can run away from Navarre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsh24FmYlNQ
>>333369215
Simpsons Hit and Run
Even in the zombie level they act civily and follow traffic laws
Wipeout HD
Sega Rally
Street Fighter 2/3/4/5
Roller Coaster Tycoon
Backyard Baseball
There are a billion more, it's not hard to name games where you don't kill enemies.
>>333373184
>we became better at it through thousands of years
>does it instantly
Just because our process is less efficient and takes forever rather than moments doesn't make it less valid.
>Please do tell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_organism
>sounds fucking retarded
Ah yes, here we have an acorn. In 20 years it will grow into a magnificent wooden tree.
Sounds fucking retarded, doesn't it?
>but then why can't we walk right out of the gate like robots can when programmed?
robots are created through much more efficient patterns than brute forced natural processes, and wouldn't have to grow to an adult state
>but that randomization was programmed in
>Even something that appears randomized is deliberately programmed in.
so randomization can exist in an AI instead of just appearing to be? nice
>can literally not show intelligence of its own will because it has to be deliberately be programmed.
I guess we can't show intelligence of our own will because it was programmed in, either?
>>333373189
>theoretically
yes, just like evolution and black holes
>>333373290
but the game still considers navarre dead for story purposes, as not killing her is a glitch
>>333373184
Because randomness is the result of only being able to see one possible outcome at a time, the way our reality is 'designed'
Doesn't mean there's no patterns to find in seemingly random events
>>333373504
Evolution and black holes are scientific theories, they are there to explain phenomenon.
What you are claiming to be theories is just your imagination.
>>333373504
but you didn't kill her
All of them. They're not real things.
>>333373504
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_organism
>Literally has a whole section on the different forms of respiration they do.
Go back to fucking school you retard.
>>333373504
To skim the other guys hypothesis, we can't be certain that the neurons in are our brain are 'all there is' and create consciousness. We can draw analogies for days with computers, but that backwardly explains an order that allows 'random' electrons to work their magic
>>333373781
>Some obligate anaerobes use fermentation, while others use anaerobic respiration
Unless fermentation is a form of respiration, it literally states that there are anaerobes that live on fermentation rather than respiration
>>333373783
By that argument, we can't be certain that the neurons in are brain aren't 'all there is' and create consciousness
it's also has the benefit of being the simpler explanation
>>333373586
Depends on your definition of theory
>an idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action.
i'm accounting for a theoretical situation
>>333374289
I said the definition of how those things are theories to distinguish them from you fantasies and what ifs.
>>333373872
Fermentation is a form of respiration and it also mentions anaerobic respiration on the same line.
This is high school level biology.
Huniepop
>>333369215
Pretty sure any game where the character uses their fists just leaves a trail of badly beat up dudes.
No killing.
>>333369215
>that doesn't involve killing people/monsters/robots/etc.
>killing
Batman
>>333369215
undertale
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
Madden 98
Jackie Chan
Chessmaster
>>333369980
not my problem if you are a fucking monster
>>333370953
Same can be said of plants yet they still live.
>>333369440
you have to kill robots and monsters in spacechem
Crash Team Racing
>>333369215
>Name a single good video-game that doesn't involve killing people/monsters/robots/etc.
>etc.
Is your list infinite? You mean everything, ever?
Uplink
>>333369215
Money Puzzle Exchanger, you casual.
>>333378578
TIS-100 then
>>333379171
How kosher of you.
>>333369568
MTG is a card game, but cards represent spells and summons. Not to mention you and your opponent are technically fighting to kill eachother.
>>333379559
You are both immortal planeswalkers and you aren't actually summoning anything that's alive, just your memories of what you've seen in your wanderings.
SimCity.
>>333379683
I was under the impression that you were actually summoning specific entities. Which is why you can summon some random goblin many times, which would be four different goblins, or legendary creatures, of which only exist one (enforced by the obsolete single legendary rule)
>>333369215
Harvest Moon
>>333379934
You are not summoning up the memory of one goblin, you are thinking of one part of a whole.
Mogg fanatic is not an individual goblin but a mogg fanatic.
As for legendary things I don't know how to explain it as more than a gameplay thing.
If these were the actual creatures you were summoning odds are they wouldn't obey you or they'd even attack enemy creatures instead of having to be sent in the general direction of the enemy with a single command.
>>333380127
You kill plants.
>>333369215
Phoenix Wright
Deus Ex.
You can beat the entire game without killing anything or use any items.
>>333380151
>you kill plants
now you're grasping at straws
>>333380232
Guy said etc.
>>333369215
Journey.
>>333380151
Maybe, but in the case you provided, you want to summon a Mogg Fanatic, the spark does it magic and summons one random mogg fanatic.
As for them not obeying you, the summoning could mind control them in a sense, which would explain summoning sickness.
But your memories theory is also supported by gameplay, since card dumping spells are usually flavored into blue by being memory erasing spells.
>>333380183
Nigga, almost all cases are about murder.
>>333380515
But murder per se isn't part of the gameplay. You're playing as Phoenix Wright, the lawyer, not Phoenix Dredd.
monster hunter
>>333372859
You condemn people to the death row. Everyone, because apparently death penalty is the only sentence in AAverse.
Always Sometimes Monsters
Marble Madness
>>333369896
but they aren't even living, not even in universesans seems to be the closest thing to living, but that's only because of his awareness and how he seems to basically be a mistake
>>333370083
the bad ending's the true true ending you know
>>333370390
ever head of the Talos principle?
good game where you don't kill anything
Harvest Moon.
You can go through Splinter Cell Blacklist without killing anything.
Manhunt.
Parappa the Rapper
>>333382131
In pacifist ending, trying to return prompts Flowey to tell you to let the characters live their lives.
Nothing says they're dead or not living.
What about those games were you roll marbles around obstacles
>>333369896You kill Asriels soul and turn him back into Flowey
>>333382326
You kill Elohim.
>>333369936
Batman has defiantly killed people, last time I checked if you get a car door slammed into your neck, you die
Has this thread been taken over by skynet?
>>333369215
Kerbal Space Program
Microsoft Flight Simulator.
>>333389125
>implying you didn't fly the rocket straight into the sun
Antichamber
ikea simulator
>>333388664
You don't have to. Also, he is just a program, you can't 'kill' him.
>>333369215
Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver
Pokemon Black/White/Black2/White2
Pokemon Emerald
done.
>>333389319
>good
>>333369406
You literally de-moleculize Tetronominos.
You sick murderer.
