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ITT: villains who got away with it
>>333368692
>Vivec
>got away
He's being spit roasted by Azura's spear in her plane of Oblivion as we speak.
>Vivec
>Villain
You s'wits be sucking up to Azura
>>333368692
>Vivec deals with duality an stuff
>first 2 comments are opposing opinions
POTTERY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF_VnWEJNjE
Third good thing to come out of the trilogy.
>>333368692
Roy Earle.
>>333368692
Oh, you suddenly decided Batman is an okay dude? Okay, let's forget about the people who were still in Gotham, who were exposed to the fear gas, who had been murdered by you. Sure thing.
>>333372657
Oh, and inb4 "they were criminals"
Murder is still murder.
>>333368692
If Vivec attained CHIM, why is he killable in game? Can't he just remove you from existence?
>>333372886
Chim nullifies chim bra
>>333372886
Chim doesn't make you all powerful, that was just kirkbride being a fag. It just means you retain eternal existence in some form,like enlightenment basically.
He can't remove the dreamer from the dream
>>333368692
![zack_primary[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IguThQW.jpg "zack_primary[1].jpg")
>>333372657
>batman murders people
And?
>>333372886
>>333373109
Chim basically means you become aware you're a video game character, and can access cheats and mods etc.
>>333372886
CHIM doesn't mean you can do anything. You need to walk a fine line between not depowering yourself and not accidentally waking the universe up and vanishing in the process.
>>333373109
>>333373041
what even is CHIM?
in simplest terms possible please
>>333368692
He didnt get away from my enchanted spear up his assHe probably enjoyed it though
>>333373218
Thats not batman
>>333373349
the universe is a dream
fully realizing that fact usually wakes it up and you vanish
chim is lucid dreaming
>>333372886
>If Vivec attained CHIM
Can we stop this meme
>>333373349
Like what Neo does in matrix when he knows he's in the matrix.
>>333373418
>you vanish
w-where to?
>>333368692
I wouldn't call being trapped in my azuras star "gettin away"
>>333373349
Realizing that you are in a dream and retaining your existence, thus allowing you to manipulate the dream
If you CHIM hard enough you can even pop out of the dream and become a dreamer yourself.
So did the Tribunal kill Nerevar or not
>>333373483
Vanish as in stop existing
>>333373218
Where do I say Batman murders people? That's Arkham Knight.
>>333373563
No :^)
CHIM thread?
So we can all agree the Dwemer accidentally CHIM'd themselves out of reality, right?
>>333373483
Have you ever had a dream where you interacted with another person?
Where does that person go when you wake up?
>>333373601
didnt they become numidiums skin or some shit
>>333373483
>w-where to?
Nowhere, you just cease to exist.
ITT retards who have no idea what they're talking about try and explain TES lore
kek
>everythings a dream
>you cease to cease existing.
>tips non existing fedora
>>333373185
Got away with it ? XD dude I banged her 2 times :D
>>333373563
Yes
>>333373668
No, they either turned to ash or transported themselves somewhere. Or both
>>333374297
No, >>333373668 is right. The Anumidium is made from Dwemer souls.
>>333373531
>I now have a fear that something in my dreams will take over my body essentially killing me through my consciousness
welp i better go by some ice/cocaine now now
Why did all Dwemer turn to ash, and not just Kagrenac?
>>333368692
ok, so we know that Vivec survived because >muh chim, but is the fate of best girl stated anywhere? and what about the 3rd guy from the tribunal, the one obsessed with science, whose name I cant remember for some reason?
>>333375017
She ded, because you killed her.
He also ded, because she killed him.
>>333369463
He may not have been a straight up villain, but it's pretty clear he's not a good guy.
>>333375017
Alma and Sotha Sil died mortals
>>333375080
but I also killed Vivec, yet he apparently survived
>>333375123
Doesn't he give that "thread of prophecy has been severed" popup?
>>333375123
And I died fighting Foryn Gilnith in a shack in Seyda Neen
>>333373563
Well according to the concept art they did
>>333375353
Man what the fuck this is hardcore ! Did they just cut off his feet and took his face ?
>>333375435
They also chopped up his genitals, don't forget that
>>333373531
So it's lucid dreaming?
>>333375481
Can't see that on the picture, man I really need to do a proper run in Morrowind, what would you say is the best for a first real run ?
>>333375537
more like lucid dreaming so hard you develop a second personality or something
>>333375353
why did they kill him in such a brutal manner, I thought they were "friends", didnt SOtha Sil regret the whole thing?
>>333375663
Well, finding everything in one playthrough would take like a year, so I suggest rolling with the main questline first, maybe do some guild quests and shit
Once you got that down, get exploring.
>>333375537
No, the great one that is dreaming the dream is lucid dreaming
You are an imaginary person in the dream and realizing that (and not disappearing) gives you CHIM.
You essentially become partially real.
>>333375830
It's more ritualistic then brutal. They cut off his face, legs and genitals so he could be reborn as a person of any race, class and gender. Why did they want him to return after what they did to him, I still don't get.
>>333375830
Somebody theorized that it is a ritual setting up the return of Nerevar as the Nerevarine.
Cutting off the face so N can be anyone
Cutting off the feet so N can walk any way they choose
TES lore is pretty neat
>>333376121
>>333376165
cool, its been too long since I played morrowind, or hell even skyrim, I'll have to play through it again if OpenMW ever gets finished
>>333375851
Is a class maybe easier or not ? Like when I first play an RPG most of the time I do a good old warrior because I think it's easier to get into the game (since the mechanics are easy) Is it also true with Morrowind or not ?
>>333372886
"It's nice never being dead, too. When I die in the world of time, then I'm completely asleep. I'm very much aware that all I have to do is choose to wake. And I'm alive again. Many times I have very deliberately tried to wait patiently, a very long, long time before choosing to wake up. And no matter how long it feels like I wait, it always appears, when I wake up, that no time has passed at all. That is the god place. The place out of time, where everything is always happening, all at once."
>>333373263
lmao, not this shit again
>>333376329
Good old warrior will work fine, but make sure you include mysticism and alteration as at least minor skills. Those sweet levitation and ALMSIVI/divine intervention spells are a must for me, and can be reliably casted from 35-40 skillpoints.
>>333376497
Yeah, I like these lore solutions in TES, like the dragonbreak that made all Daggerfall endings canon.
>>333373563
Yes and no. The tribunal (then first council) murdered Never and possibly Voryn Dagoth. Vivec achieved CHIM at some point then "went back"* and made it so that they didn't and Nerevar instead succumbed to wounds inflicted on him by Dagoth. Basically a dragonbreak.
*you don't really achieve CHIM and then have it from that point forward. Because of how you can influence past events, you pretty much "always" had it.
>>333376610
Nerevar*
fucking phone m8 I swer
>>333376573
Thank's I'll try that !
>>333376329
The default classes have multiple armor and weapons for skills, which is wasted skills because you want to focus on one each.
You can't go wrong with your major skills as Armorer, Long Blade, Block, Heavy Armor, Athletics, primary attributes Strength and Endurance, minor skills Security, Mercantile, Speechcraft, Alteration, Mysticism. Minor skills are all there for convenience, majors are the ones you want to focus on, some min maxing people will tell you to keep athletics out of major but you don't need so many skills to play a basic warrior and movement speed is always nice.
Race, pick Redguard, Orc, Nord for the easiest time.
Birthsign The Lady.
>>333373349
Read this
>>333374352
>>333375080
>>333375098
Sotha Sil got away by uploading himself a long time ago. This is referenced in game.
Stay mad Almalexiafags
>>333375353
Alma confirmed for foot fetishist.
>>333376121
>Why did they want him to return after what they did to him, I still don't get
Probably because based Dagoth Ur would wreck them otherwise. People forget that Dagoth found his own way, but Vivec got mad because "not muh CHIM".
Don't know why people listen to Vivec.
>>333376762
I actually own this
does it really explain CHIM?
>>333376610
For the record, a lot of that shit about dagoth ur dreaming and dreamers stuff was discredited when we learned about the soul cairn
>>333370821
>Universally hated and will go down in history, at best, as a president who did nothing but tank the economy and strip civil liberties.
>Is succeeded by a man who does the exact same shit but is loved.
Yep. Bush got away with it all right.
>>333374994
Their brain internet that linked them all together fucked every Dwemer connected. That's why Yagrum didn't disappear, because he wasn't in Mundus and therefore not connected.
>>333377561
Pretty sure the Soul Cairn exists to host the souls captured by soul gems - something something ideal masters. It might change a bit of the poster's explaination of how and where souls can exist, but it hardly affects Dagoth Ur's situation.
>>333368848
are we talking about an actual spear or a penis?
>>333373563
From a thread a few days ago
>First of all Vehk wants to get punished for what he did to Nerevar, and he absolutely did kill him together with rest of Almsivi because If the appropriate word from each book is taken (i.e.: the first word from book 1, the sixty-eighth from book 2, the three hundred and sixty-fourth from book 36, etc.) and assemble them according to Sermon 36, a secret message is revealed
>He was not born a god. His destiny did not lead him to this crime. He chose this path of his own free will. He stole the godhood and murdered the Hortator. Vivec wrote this.
>But again through the narrative of sermons long before he even kills him you can understand that he knows that he will have to kill him an he is teaching him/will teach him secrets of Aurbis.
Nerevarine "killing" Vivec is an important mythopoetic and Enantiomorphic event that in many ways is good and right for Vivec.
>>333377764
What
It perfectly makes ur's existence not as impossible as they made it seem
Most everyone else will never encounter such a being in that soul state, but hardly impossible
And it just straight up allows the sleepers
>>333377795
No, it's not, not nearly
>>333377561
How does it contradict it? I'm not familiar with the new stuffI'll just consider the most interesting answer canon anyways
>>333377525
As long as you know how to properly misinterpret it does a fine job. Don't listen to /v/ when it comes to these things, Lorkhan's plans are much more than that and Kagrenac wasn't petty enough to use Numidium out of spite.
>>333377561
How? The Soul Cairn only deals with Soul Gems and the Ideal Masters. They don't interact naturally with the world.
>>333377407
>Don't know why people listen to Vivec.
I mean, he is literally a god, not to mention the only thing stopping the Blight from spreading further and nightmarish no-faces from enslaving everyone on the island.
>>333377941
>I'm not familiar with the new stuff
Soul Cairn was around since Battlespire. It is not something new and doesn't discredit it at all.
>>333378070
Oh, I just remembered it as that void place in Skyrim. Don't really know this at all.
>>333377941
It doesn't contradict it really, it's more of explaining the unknown
Dagoth ur is weird because he should exist, that's not how the souls work, etc
Then soul cairn showed up and made sleepers possible, and made ur able to be not impossible
>>333378010
I'm not talking about this with you while you think the soul cairn has literally anything to do with the ideal masters.
Those guys are literally just there to explain lack soul gems, have zero parts to play with white souls and their gems.
Please for the love of god do NOT let your next post try to say that the ideal masters are where trapped soul gems go.
>>333378161
>lack soul gems
black soul gems
>>333378161
>have zero parts to play with white souls and their gems
Pretty sure you have horses there
Posting an obvious one,
>>333378161
you're being unnecessarily hostile for a lorethread senpai. just explain your theory about how dagoth ur and the sleepers interact with the soul cairn.
>>333374994
>>333378384
The point in the image is the contradiction of how ur's soul works, the how dreaming/awake/mundus/dreamsleeve etc point
But as we learn with the soul cairn, that;s not how the soul works.
Just because the soul is not on nirn doesnt make it sleeping, a point where was in battlespire but most ignored because >battlespire >canon
So sleepers aren't an issue, they're just beyond the power of necromancy and soultrapping for creation
Ur is still super weird in his existence, but dreaming from the sleeve is now more a matter of his connection to the heart, not because of his sleeping or waking state.
>>333378830
Fucking dwemer, man. Always gotta push it.
>rape,pillage and murder everyone who doesn't submit to you
>people see you as a hero that saved humanity even though that wasn't your intention at all
>>333379192
I apologize if I misunderstood something here but it's kind of hard to parse what you say.
So if I have it right:
You think that the existence of the Soul Cairn disproves that souls not existing in Mundus are sleeping.
And that this makes Sleepers (you're referring to those people who sleepwalk in Morrowind and talk to you about Dagoth Ur) unable to be to risen from the dead (they're alive?) and unable to be soultrapped.
What I still don't understand is how this relates to the Soul Cairn. We already know when regular people die, their souls end up recycled in the dreamsleeve or if they had particular beliefs or affinities, end up in their respective Aedric or Daedric realms.
As I understand, the only souls that end up in the Soul Cairn are the ones distinctly offered or traded to the Ideal Masters for power in Black Soul Gems.
So what I'm trying to figure out is, how exactly does the Soul Cairn prove that Dagoth Ur isn't reverse dreaming from the Dreamsleeve?
>>333380215
That isn't a villain.
>>333375481
>>333375435
>>333374994
You small fries are a thousand years too early for the title of "Got Away With It"
>>333380560
It was the beginning of the end
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Sorry about the whole Burmecian and Cleyran genocide and everyone else in between.
We cool now?
>>333380342
gtfo NOD scum
>>333380219
No, the idea that sleeping means your soul goes to the sleeve is inherently bullshit
Which we learn from soul cairn not being constantly filled but used for nonused souls
>unable to be to risen from the dead (they're alive?) and unable to be soultrapped.
It means they aren't using a soul, so technically yeah no soultrapping
>What I still don't understand is how this relates to the Soul Cairn
It means dagoth ur isn't using any souls to make his sleepers, its' just reverse necromancy
So they aren't even sleepers anymore
>how exactly does the Soul Cairn prove that Dagoth Ur isn't reverse dreaming from the Dreamsleeve?
Because it means his soul is somewhere, whether it be sleeve or mundus I don't really care
Learning about quantum physics and grokking wave-particle duality is the irl version of CHIM.
>>333380771
What the fuck man ? I'm not the guy you're talking to but you really don't make sense at all, like you are talking about two completely different things and connect them somehow
>>333377596
Heck, most people I know blame Dubya for all the things Obama did.
Handed Iraq over to ISIS? Bush did that.
Deposed President Mubarak of Egypt and put the Muslim Brotherhood in charge? Happened during Bush's term.
Obamacare? A lie, Bush was actually still president when that happened, and somehow tricked everyone into thinking Obama did that.
Obama is only president for the *good* things. Bush is still president for everything else, and always will be.
>>333380771
>reverse necromancy
>>333380939
They're not completely different, stop thinking the soul cairn is just for soul trapped souls
The cairn is where they go to be cleaned
The sleeve is where they go to be taken and sent out
>>333375435
cut off feet and face means once he's reborn he can have a different face and walk a different path
basically the excuse as to why the legendary dunmer warrior can be a fucking cat wizard or a stealth archer lizard
>>333381143
Okay now I understand, so where has the cairn been stated to do that ? It's not in Skyrim anyway so it must be somewhere else
>>333377596
>>333381004
most people were too focused on WE PRESIDENT NOW to realize that Obama wasn't much more liberal than clinton. Not to mention, he quickly realized that trying to appoint a fresh cabinet was a waste of time and political capital and ended up retaining all of the bush people who managed to stay out of scandals and appointed popular, obvious neoliberal choices (clinton, kerry, gates). Inevitably, their advice shones through in his doctrine.
>>333380771
Ok I finally understand you. Thank you for clarifying. I always thought it was odd that people thought that souls actually go to the dreamsleeve while people are dreaming, but it isn't so more apt to say that they're connected to it when they're asleep?
>It means dagoth ur isn't using any souls to make his sleepers, its' just reverse necromancy
I'm not sure I understood this point. As I understand, Dagoth Ur's power over their dreams (much like Vaermina's nightmares) allows him to control them while they're asleep. What do you mean by reverse necromancy?
>>333381143
I've never heard that about the Soul Cairn. Could you point me to your source?
>vivec
>villain
>>333380259
THESE FUCKING SERPENTS I SWEAR
>>333381223
Nothing is ever stated in skyrim it's inferred from books and past game events.
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/soul-cairn-stained-glass-window-note
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/lord-fa-nuit-hen-and-tutor-riparius-answer-your-questions
>trafficking in souls, great, small, and fragmentary
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ideal_Masters
>Black souls (i.e. those belonging to the sentient mortal races) are the most common type to be captured, although white souls and dragon souls are also known to reside in the Soul Cairn
Not all trapped souls are kept, which contradicts the idea of "all trapped souls" going to the cairn, as if there is somewhere else a trapped soul can go
>>333381796
Reverse necromancy is using a body without a soul, as opposed to necromancy which is using a soul on the body
Not exactly reverse, but close enough since tes necromancy is using the soul
>>333373593
VIVEC WROTE THIS
hey nigs, other than replaying the games again, is there any other way for me to refresh my lore knowledge? especially on things like battlespyre and redguard, which are the two titles I never played and likely never will
>>333383001
UESP nigga. Don't bother with TES wiki it blows dicks compared to UESP
>>333368692
The lesson of TES is that traitorous assholes like Talos, Vivec and potentially the Thalmor become gods.
>>333383001
http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1112211-how-to-become-a-lore-buff/
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AtsWXZKVqB4Q825_SwINY6z4_9NaGknXgeOknOCDuCU/edit
>>333382202
Awesome, thank you for being patient with me.
So I just read what you linked, however, I think I still disagree with what you think the Soul Cairn is for. So let me put my theory out there and let me know what you think:
As far as I can tell, (supported by what you linked) the Ideal Masters are Merethic mages who ascended into a spiritual form and then crafted their own realm in Oblivion. I think we both agree on this, right?
I don't think however, that that is where souls go to be cleansed, I think they think what they're providing is a shelter from the constant cycle of reincarnation the average mortal goes through by letting them exist as pure souls in the Soul Cairn. I think that's why they call themselves Ideal Masters. In the real world, the Gods and the rules of Mundus are your masters, and other than conferring your soul to Daedric Princes or even achieving Amaranth (nearly impossible), you cannot free yourself from the wheel. So they offer a sort of haven
>>333383241
>how-to-become-a-lore-buff/
>>333373041
Engine limitations
>>333381754
What's funny is that you think the cure for failing liberal policy is to be even more liberal. Because trying the same thing and expecting a different result every time is the definition of sanity, amirite?
Like the socialists that insist that socialism only failed because it wasn't forcibly imposed worldwide, so there were still places people could go to escape from it.
>>333370821
>Cancelled flights to Europe to avoid a speculation of indiction for War Crimes against Humanity.
>>333383315
>So they offer a sort of haven
False haven, yes
The cairn existed before the masters, given that it is not their realm, trapped souls end up there, and the masters didn't always exist
It's just a place trapped souls end up
So the masters can either keep the soul "free", or let it go
We can assume the trapped souls didn't create a backup in the flow of souls, like little nicky but in reverse, because that would have caused a whole lot of other issues.
So why would it be JUST trapped souls, and what happened to those souls before the masters
So we assume it's just part of the soul path, and assume all souls go on it because how does the soul leave the cairn, it just follows the path the others took.
But the cairn needed to have some kind of use before the masters came to it
So we assume it was used to clean
>>333384264
Being innocent of witchcraft is no guarantee that you will not be burned at the stake.
>>333384540
>The cairn existed before the masters
This is where you and i disagree
"They entered Oblivion as immortals, selected an area of chaotic creatia, and crafted it into a pocket realm ideal for their purposes as soul merchants. They dubbed this pocket the Soul Cairn and, pleased with themselves, adopted the name Ideal Masters as a title."
As far as what I think the soul path is, I don't think anyone fully understands it, but my theory is that the soul is made of two parts: identity (memory) and animus (the magick spark). I think animus portion is drawn by the aedra and daedra, and the animus portion itself is what is recycled.
Vivec knew he fucked up, that's why he helped the Nerevarine defeat Dagoth Ur despite knowing that it would also bring and end to his divinity (as derived from the heart of Lorkhan).
Another fun fact about Vivec is this:
He fashioned his actual spear Muatra out of a chunk of Molag Bal's penis which he had bitten off during a literal dick measuring contest between the two.
>>333372886
It's arguable whether he's actually obtained CHIM, some think he's just juiced up on Lorkhan's heart.
>>333377785
Both
>>333385654
They're "merchants", they did not create the place where the souls go to, they just built around it
Like How you don't build a damn by creating an area of water then the damn, you find the water then create the damn
They found a place where souls go, they didn't dictate that souls go there to begin with.
They couldn't pick any part of oblivion, but it had to be a part where it was ideal for their purposes
>>333381170
That's actually a pretty neat observation, anon.
>tfw Almalexia mantled Boethiah, thus explaining the weird shift to female in characterization
Who's the biggest slut
Barenziah or Alma?
90% of lorefags get this wrong!
>>333388865
the "real" barenziah is nothing but slander!
>>333388865
Barenziah had sex with a khajiit
Alma remained true to Nerevar forever
Barenziah is the biggest whore
>>333389142
>Alma remained true to Nerevar forever
and then she murdered him
and then she attempted to murder him again
This nigga right here. Kishimoto is a retard
>>333389250
we are talking about sexual promiscuity, not moral promiscuity here
anyway, the Tribunal did (not) kill Nerevar
>>333380259
>there wasn't a primordial serpent hydra as a secret final boss in DaS
>>333381936
Lewot mate?
I hack their faces apart everytime I play the game.
Unless you're one of those fags who think death is not punishment.
>>333381936
It wasn't just them though. Not even in 1, that'd be dumb.
All these niggers spreading false TES lore.
Chim is what the stars are made of, pure (euphoric) mana leaking from the aedric realm (Aedras are le epic supergods).
Attaining enough Chimeroni gives you godlike powahs.
The dude talking about lucid dreaming is on crack.
>>333390015
Unless they retconned it, no.
And even then, no.
>>333388865
>"What is wrong with me?" Barenziah lamented. "Look, not one of my skirts fit? What's become of my waist? Am I getting fat?" Barenziah regarded her thin arms and legs and her undeniably thickened waist in the mirror with displeasure.
>Drelliane shrugged. "You appear to be with child, young as you are. Constant pairing with a human has brought you early to fertility. I see no choice but for you to speak with him about it. You are in his power. It would be best, I think, for you to go directly to Mournhold if he will agree, and bear the child there."
>>333390104
>"What sort of test?"
>"Ah," Therris said. "Payment first, sweet thing." He put an arm around her, leaned over and kissed her, thrusting his tongue deep into her mouth and his free hand into her shirt.
>"Nice," he said presently, withdrawing his tongue, but not his hand. His other hand slid down inside her waistband and fondled her buttocks.
>"Let's go upstairs. We can use my room," Barenziah felt both embarassed and excited by his boldness.
>Therris grinned insolently. "Why bother? You want me, don't you? I'll bet you'd pay me, wouldn't you?"
>"No," Barenziah said. She did want him, but not that badly.
>"No? Well, a bargain's a bargain and Therris keeps his word. But here. Now." He hiked her skirt up and pulled her onto his lap so she sat astride, facing him. He opened her shirt and pulled it down on her shoulders so that her breasts were exposed.
>"Nice pair, kid." She was facing the wall but she could feel the stares of the other patrons. A hush had fallen over the place. Even the bard had stilled. She felt both nausea and a hot burning desire. Her hands released his turgid penis and then it was inside her and she was screaming in both pain and ecstasy. Then everything went black.
>>333390374
>"No," Barenziah said thoughtfully. Actually the idea was not entirely unappealing. She was sure that she could earn a modest living by sleeping with the soldiers for money. She'd had a few adventures of that sort as they crossed Skyrim, when she'd dressed as a woman and slipped away from Straw. She'd only been looking for a bit of variety. Straw was sweet but dull. She'd been startled, but pleased when the men she picked up offered her money afterwards.
>>333390676
>>333390374
>>333390104
nothing but slander
>>333383361
who
>>333386920
Are you literally autistic?
>>333392962
The tests said no.
