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this shit released today and I didn't find a thread in the catalog
why is it so good brehs
also, how do I unlock the shortcut to the Second floor?
I've met the short elevator guy, talked to him in the Hub and he said to go to the second level's elevator shaft or something, but I can't find him there anywhere
>>333314417
It's a good game. People will call you a shill for wanting to discuss it though.
What does beast mode do?
I have only 7 hours in nuclear throne and never made it to the throne so far because too hard
is this game better?
![p19i1749sn1hs31q991one76nr6h6[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XF9pMm6.jpg "p19i1749sn1hs31q991one76nr6h6[1]")
>>333314417
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYpSoiNdrZw
Pretty fun so far even if I am shit at it. Best part is I didn't even have to pay for it since the devs have been giving away a shit ton of keys.
Favourite starting character? Convict here, revolver is God tier and molotov is pretty decent too
>>333315287
It's harder than NT because of the bullet hell parts
>>333315465
the Marine, his starting weapon is too stronk to choose anyone else over him + don't need to worry about ammo
>>333314719
>shills will call you a shill for wanting to discuss it though
Fixed that for you.
>>333315465
Pilot because greed.
>>333315287
Much easier, health is less common, you can't get 100-0 quickly like you can in Throne, there's constant progression so you can feel like you did something even if you died early, and there's this item that essentially nukes everything on screen.
Also the dodgeroll in this game isn't complete garbage. You have true invincible frames. I found NT too frustrating as well but I'm having a great time with this.
>>333315293
>giving away a shit ton of keys
Shit really? Where at? I dont wanna pirate since my ISP gets butthurt about torrenting but free is better than not free.
looks fun, too expensive for what is probably some incredibly short """"""""""roguelike"""""""""" that keeps shit through deaths and gives you upgrades as you continue to play, AKA the worst way to stretch out a game's length. i might get it when it's $2 in a steam sale later this year. or when it's on PS+.
it desperately needs online co-op. And they need to be more direct on what the fuck the people you free do.
And at some point i was able to steal from the shopkeep, i've never been able to do it again though.
>>333315465
Honestly, I like everyone except the Pilot, because the Pilot's starting gun fucking sucks and makes him not very fun to play until you get a decent weapon, which can take a good while.
>>333317083
that lockpick tho
![doge_loaf_bloke_by_x5ync-d97fwau[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JmSbK6S.jpg "doge loaf bloke by x5ync-d97fwau[1]")
>>333315465
Hunter so far. Doggo means I don't end up completely key starved as often, and the crossbow is quite strong for the first 2 chambers.
>>333316648
Cobaltstreak and Richard Hammer have been mararthoning the game for the last few days and have been giving out keys the entire time.
The devs have also been dumping keys in chat after each successful run.
>>33331528
The most damage you can take at a time is one heart, which means no getting randomly instagibbed by one mistake. However the bosses at their hardest are harder than Throne bosses. You also get Shmup-style bombs every floor, although they only clear bullets rather than deal damage.
>>333316345
I was honestly worried that the dodge roll would ruin the game due to being iframes on demand, but it's surprisingly balanced. The end of it is unsafe and being forced to move in a staight line when tons of bullets are coming at you is very dangerous even if 3/4 of it is iframes.
>>333316989
Dev said they're never ever doing online co-op
>And they need to be more direct on what the fuck the people you free do.
No kidding. I found some blue bullet in a cage, and I still haven't found out what he does.
>>333317083
nut up or shut up kid
>>333316894
It offers more gameplay than your average AAA game for 1/4 of the price. Not sure how you can call that short.
>>333317287
are you fucking kidding me? online co-op would be way more fun that local shit, due to no one having any friends.
And I unlocked some edgy faggot and he didn't say anything and didn't even show up on the breach
>>333317151
The lockpick and lower shop prices are nice, sure, but I just don't feel like playing with him much because he's not very fun until the first weapon pickup (assuming said pickup is even halfway decent), unlike all the other characters who have decent starting weapons.
Hunter's probably my favorite as far as starting weapons go - the Crossbow is a fantastic early game weapon, and the rusty revolver is a decent backup for dealing with small trash like the bats or splitting slimes.
>>333317472
>online co-op would be way more fun that local shit
Devs said that they don't have the resources or expertise to implement online co-op, but one of them did hint at it possibly being added if the game ends up being really successful.
>>333317271
>Cobalt
So I had to watch this absolute retard in order to win a key? I'm glad that I bought it normally then.
>>333317457
does it really though? Is there actually gameplay to it? Is it crafted well and not just procedurally generated everything?
>>333317718
yeah Don't Starve said the same thing.
>>333316989
I don't get this. Isaac and Nuclear Throne don't have online coop and people don't complain. I get the feeling people are only talking about this (and the dev brought it on themselves) by putting the occultist right there in the Breach like it's a major feature.
These days people just don't want to do local coop and putting it in will just make them complain about the lack of online coop.
>>333317769
What does "actual gameplay" even mean?
>>333318112
Is there gameplay beyond picking up new guns and adding them to some ever-expanding pool of shit, is what I mean. When you play the game do you ever get anywhere with it or is it just another dungeon crawler with no real end.
>>333318225
>is there gameplay beyond the gameplay I arbitrarily described to suit my bias
So do you have an actual argument?
I hate these spooky little shits
>>333318225
It has gameplay. It has the mechanics of dodge roll, and plain movement allowing one to both scale difficulty and act dynamically. The dodge roll has i frames which allows for risk (hit after i frames) and reward (avoid damage). It has resource management (limited ammo and health. It has scalable difficulty (blanks, roll, and perfecting bosses to get extra hp, altars). It has a variety of enemies with different patterns and effects to give it variety. What do you mean, "Gameplay"? This game has it. Nearly any game has it.
it's been pretty good so far, been on it nonstop since it came out.
still not able to beat level 3 though
>tfw you find a secret passage behind the fireplace
>>333317859
...And they did?
>>333314417
bad:
- simplistic bullet hell
- every enemy has the same mechanic apart from those that charge you so there's whopping two gameplay mechanics total
- overpowered dodge
- minuscule damage you do makes fights drag on forever
- constant reload breaks the pacing further
- western pixelshit art design (goes without saying)
- le quip, le quirk, le reference, le get it?
good:
it shows that binding of isaac needs a patch where you can warp to rooms you already cleared.
>>333318784
perfecting bosses gives you more shit at the end??
sheeeit
How do I git gud at fighting gattling gull? It feels like it's waaaaay too accurate and aggressive with the chasing attack, I can never dodge it well enough to also shoot
>>333314417
>local co-op only
into the trash it goes then
Really fun so far, is anyone else getting a bug where the player character is completely blacked out?
>>333319118
Pick a class other than the Marine.
>>333318910
>zero druids
2/10 see me after the thread
>>333318962
Fight him at long range - this will allow you to weave between most of his bullets without dodging, so you can keep the dodge ready for the moments when regular weaving isn't possible.
This strategy is applicable for all the level 1 bosses.
I really like the pause screen. It's animated too.
Post guns
>>333314669
Drop down the hole after you take the elevator down.
>>333314417
I'm enjoying it
Its a shame I'm so bad at it though, i;ve only made it to level 2 4 times in 3 hours
Favorite character?
>>333319437
the fish in a barrel gun I love how the fish stay on the ground and flop around
>>333317754
I seriously fucking hate Cobalt. He's unfunny. He's dumb. Andhe ruins the NLSS.
>>333319328
It reminds me a lot of another one of DD's games, Downwell.
>>333315287
Best NT player here.
I've cleared my first pl of gungeon and I can safely say that it is easier by far if you compare end game content.
That does not mean that EtG is an easy game. But it will require a lot of practice until you nail down all the patterns.
What I like the most about this game is that there are no items or weapons that can carry the whole run to the point of trivializing it.
Torrented it and having fun so far. I like having a dodge roll and there's a ton of environment interaction which is pretty cool.
>>333319183
I have and everything is still blacked out.
>>333315465
Hunter
Crossbow and the Revolver are a really nice combo from the start
Dog is only helpful when I dont need it though
>>333319785it was a black joke because the marine has dark skin
>>333319667
Nick does too.
Just needs josh and malf.
>>333319667
Cobalt is on NLSS now? Damn
>>333318898
Yes. That's what Don't starve TOGETHER is. Also they are being published by devolver, can't they hook them up with some devs with online expertise?
Abuse your publisher for a bit, I'm sure they'd be thrilled to help them add a new feature to the game that would increase the number of people willing to buy it.
>>333319437
mix this with the scattershot item and scare the shit out of everybody
What's the deal with the mirror room?
>>333314417
>enemies are all bullet sponges
i want to like it but this is just so annoying
>Really enjoying the game so far
>Goofy faces on the characters bothers me to no end
I am constantly motivated to not get hit as The Marine so I don't have to see that silly
._.
face.
>>333319437
The bullets ricochet, and you spin the gun to reload it.
>>333322013
>Goofy faces on the characters bothers me to no end
say that to my ._. faggot not online and see what happens
>>333319437
B U L L E T
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>>333322480
I absolutely don't mind it on the enemies, just bothers me on the playable dudes.
Similar thing bothered me with Risk of Rain, with all the pretty neato looking enemies but the tiny, weenie character sprites.
The character animations could've been done better
>Character just sits completely still, gun in one hand shooting with an hollow look in his face.
>All that moves is his hand.
>>333319687
Haven't played NT in a long time, what weapons totally broke the game in NT?
I love the idea of this game, it was one of the few during e3 that actually looked good.
game is fun but the music sucks dick
It's so fucking good but really hard
Still haven't made it passed the second boss
>>333320062
I really, really like this gun
>>333315465
Hunter. Crossbow is 2gud.
Anyone else find this too hard or do I just need togit gud?
It's too slow for my liking.
>>333319667
reminder that cobalt turned 30 this year
what a fucking loser
>>333318910
there are guns you never have to reload. got an mg with 1250 rounds no reloading
I've played it for a few hours and my main problem with it so far is that the boss difficulty isn't consistent at all. Everything else is pretty nice.
>GatlingGull
>+1 max hp
>BulletKing
>Quick restart
Anyone else find the disparity in difficulty of bosses utter bullshit?
>>333323147
git gud. you'll get better and sometimes it only has to do with the luck of the chests.
anyone having crashing issues after you die?
>>333318910
>trying this hard to find something to dislike in a game
l o l
o
l
>>333318784
sounds good then.
>>333318482
no, is there anything to separate from the gorillion other dungeon crawler """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""roguelikes"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" out on the market, apparently there is.
Small question, but are all the items one-time-uses, or are they rechargable like in Binding of Isaac?
>>333323391
>BulletKing hard
Wew.
But I do agree that Gull is way too easy.
>>333323474
Yes there is.
so nuclear throne is now obsolete?
Good thing I didn't fall for that meme and waited for this to come out
>>333323694
Nuclear Throne is still better
This game is amazing. I just got it. The animation quality is top tier.
PSA: GMG has a 20% off coupon which brings the price down by 3 bucks.
>>333315465
Only one I don't use is the Hunter. I tried her twice, that shitty gun and slow as fuck crossbow and worthless dog are no good. Pilot's starting weapon is pretty shitty, but I've been getting pretty lucky with the lockpick getting me into chests for a new weapon early on.
>can't play with the cultist on singleplayer
why?
>>333318910
I don't really agree with most of your points, but I've been thinking of this too.
>- minuscule damage you do makes fights drag on forever
Most of the bosses have shitloads of HP, which becomes even worse if you don't happen to find a gun in the first floor.
It kind of feels like I'm constantly playing Isaac on hard-mode, with tanky enemies and game giving very few drops.
>>333323391
Bullet King is pretty much the most predictable of the first level bosses once you learn his patterns. Trigger Twins is probably the most annoying. Trying to stay as far away as possible while still dealing damage works for all the first level bosses though.
>>333323491
It's very hard compared to the twins and Gatlinggull. If you don't get a decent weapon he can shrek your shit
>>333318910
>I hate fun, the post
Is grinding for shortcuts worth it, I mean, do they give you anything aside from starting on a different floor? Seems quite silly if they don't give you anything else, you are better off being on the second floor after the first floor (because you can pick up guns, health, consumables) rather than starting on it.
>>333319118
PC MASTER RACE
>>333318910
>every enemy has the same mechanic apart from those that charge you so there's whopping two gameplay mechanics total
not sure I know what you mean by mechanic because Lead Maiden, Bullet Shark, and Mimic alone seem to already directly contradict your statement... did you make it past the first floor?
>>333323753
>30fps throne
>better
If I enjoyed Binding of Isaac, will I enjoy this
>>333323991
i fougth the trigger twins earlier and one of them just froze. He didn't shoot or anything
>>333324206
likely
>>333324037Unlocking second level shortcut doesn't give you anything special, but you get free weapons from level 3 shortcut onwards (eg. if you jump to level 3, you get one free weapon, 2 by jumping to level 4, 3 by jumping to level 5)
>>333324206
Quite possibly. The main difference is that this game shoves a lot more bullets onscreen than isaac does much more quickly, but you get dodge roll with iframes and screen clears to compensate.
>>333324262
>>333324376
Alright, thanks for the info
>>333324206
probably depending on how you feel about the light bullet hell Gungeon has
Does armor allow you to perfect a boss even if you get hit? Like in Isaac with spirit hearts?
oh, I saw this game back when I played a shitload of NTand only beat it once, thanks for telling me this is out, /v/.
The art style is pretty ugly though.
>>333324520
Nope, you're just not allowed to take any hits at all
>>333323491
Gull kills me every time. I'm terrible.
Are there plans for the game to be on more platforms? I like how indie shit on PSN gives you crossbuy for PS4 and vita. I like playing indie shit on my vita so I'm hoping a vita version happens.
>>333324370
Thanks, worth getting it then I guess.
>>333324520
you will fail the bonus if you take any damage including armor
>>333324734
Keep distance so he's easier to dodge.
i made a shitposting image for you guys
>>333324009
He is harder than the other two but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Variable difficulty level is one of the cornerstones of procedural content.
>>333320353
I wonder if you can cross the streams with this in coop
>>333324930
Nice reddit filename you fucking redditor
>>333324734
Stay up close and weave between the bullets.
>>333324009
I disagree. Bullet King's pattern's are way easier to dodge, and he's very large target, so shooting from distance isn't problem either.
>>333324016
Is
>fun
not a meme anymore? You reminded me of how seldom I see it nowadays
So are there any unlockable characters, or are the devs planning on adding them in the future?
Also, favourite character /v/? Marine reporting in.
>>333324985
Yeah, bosses vary in difficulty greatly. I'd rather fight two Beholsters at once than one snek on the second floor.
>>333324206
I love BoI but I find this game very frustrating. The difficulty is so inconsistent. At least with Isaac you could make most runs work. On this if you get a shit draw you're fucked
Controller or Kb+m?
>>333325680
sent ;)
Do the color of chests mean anything? I'm assuming the wooden ones are the most common items and it goes up from there?
>>333325489
>Snake
>Hard
>Beholster
>EASY
What the fuck, am I in opposite land.
How do you find the Beholster easy, teach me your secrets
>>333314417
>Binding of Isaac clone with extra pixelshit and racial quotas
Can't there be an actual new game?
>>333325041
>reddit filename
what the fuck?
Anon thats the first image in good size that pops up if search "played expected got" on google.
how the fuck do you even know what is a reddit filename?
I stopped playing because everything takes too long to die and the gameplay is dodgeroll into reload. Before I played this I thought Binding of Isaac had pacing problems.
>>333325041
doesn't that just help the shitposting cause
>>333325987
>Bulletking with Pilot and default weapon
>>333325820
Wood, blue, green, red, skull
http://gameranx.com/features/id/47348/article/enter-the-gungeon-side-quests-and-challenges-guide/
>>333325656
this is the opposite of how I feel about both games
I felt much more beholden to RNG in BoI
this game, two thirds of the time I make it through a boss I'm just plugging away with my infinite pistol
>>333325656
You gotta be jokin
How long has it been since you played Isaac?
Without some good damage ups good luck getting out of small rooms, or getting past some enemies like the Masks without being beaten the fuck up
Just so you guys know you can use tunnelbear set it to Brazil and then get this off of nuuvem for 6 dollars in less than 5 minutes.
And I am really loving this just spend 3 hours in a row glued to it.
Are there unlockable characters and if so how do you unlock them? Is the occultist or whatever playable?
>>333325871
I don't know, rockets are easy to shoot down, laser attack is super predictable, the spread on his other shots is non-chaotic. Perhaps he is easier for me because his spread is in a circular pattern, the snek just shoots everywhere.
>>333325345
Apparently there are, but the people who had the full game for the longest don't seem to have them yet.
Marine seems like the best character, honestly, better accuracy, quicker reloading, and an ammo refill.
However, I found that The Convict's Budget Revolver shoots faster if you click for each individual shot instead of just holding the mouse button down. That small clip size is still horrible, though.
does anyone know what those altars at the end of the coffin rooms do? I can't figure it out
also holy shit, how do you beat that damn black skull boss, I've probably made it to him 5 times and died every time, crazy bullet patterns
>>333325268
>>333325871
>posting worst girl
>>333326373
What happens for me is the little fucks he spawns make his shit near impossible to dodge. Or they just spawn where I cant see and potshot me. OR they hide behind him.
He also seems to send out the missiles whenever I'm reloading, and sends the out often enough to where I cant clear his minions
For Snek I just dodge through everything she does, it makes her a joke.
The only thing that's ever hit me were some waves of her scream attack, it's also the only one you dont dodge through. Those little stray bullets in the gaps are what hits me, but you can just blank during that, and it cancels the whole move
>>333326275
That's balls. People have streaks of over 100 in hard mode on BoI. You get devil deal precedent and more often than not you can sail through runs
You get a load of shit weapons and no decent passives on this and you're stuffed as you're sure as fuck not going to get any hp upgrades with your default weapons
>>333325987
>tfw getting refund
>>333326970
acquire proficiency
>>333314417
Instincts tell me its a nuclear throne clone
>>333323391
I find Bulletking to be super easy.
The big red eye guy with all the guns is a lot harder and then there's the Tank that rekt me twice, haven't been able to beat it yet.
>>333318910
I haven't even played the game but god damn would you like to cherry pick harder faggot.
I really hate these tanky as fuck bosses.
>>333318910
pretty much the reasons why i'm refunding
maybe when it's 99 cents on steam i'll give it another chance
So is it better than Nuclear Throne? Does it have more content?
>>333315287
Played NT for around 150hrs, average 2500 kills with CoB & Y.V. Played Gungeon for 7 hours straight and beat gungeon 4's boss, but the forge raped my ass... wasn't prepared for such horrors.
What can I say about this game that it indeed is very similiar to throne but much harder to get used to bullet hell parts v. overwhelming enemies. But enough grinding and you'll get good, and most importantly you'll get good and have fun at the same time.
>that level 3 boss difficulty spike
holy shit that god damn cannonball
>>333327371
It's not better per say but it's different enough to warrant a purchase. I have several hundred hours in NT and I can see myself putting a decent chunk of that into this game as well
>>333327371
More guns than Nuclear Throne.
Nuclear Throne has around 110 guns, Enter the Gungeon has around 190.
>>333318910
truth
How do you tell where a secret area is? I can never tell a cracked wall apart from a regular one, too much shit on the screen
the sniper rifle is kind of tits
just beat bullet king for the first time with it
>>333314417
Please tell me this is a psplus game?
>>333327571
Holy shit thats hilarious
Not only does this game have way better gun variety but it has more guns
>>333326073
Every boss is like that for me. Granted, I didnt' get pass level 2 but it's fucking tedious as hell to play it. Enemies on level 1 are braindead easy and they all eat bullets, even the fucking bombs that roll towards you take more than 1 hit to die. And you reload after like 4 shots.
The pacing looks incredibly slow
Was boring to watch tbqh
>>333327779
After you play for an hour you realize there's lots of guns but lots of them are exactly the same just with a different skin
>Nuclear throne 2: more guns than the game released years ago so its better!
Saw a friend playing and i dont think it deserves s purchase for something you can get in a game i already own
>>333327571
I don't like Nuclear Throne in terms of design, but it's fun and everything dies in reasonable time. Plus the simple screen shake effect makes for better gunplay. This game feels extremely slow paced in comparison even with Isaac.
And from what I've seen, Nuclear Throne's weapons are far more varied: just the shotgun has several completely different iterations. Better pixelshit too.
>>333327870
>watching people play videogames instead of playing them yourself
>>333319687
>Horheristo
>Trusting name fags ever.
>>333327779
Shill harder
>>333327779
The guns mostly feel weak as shit on this game. At least NT weapons feel like they had some punch.
The animations and attention to detail in Gungeon is fantastic though
I have no idea what just happened.
I opened a glitchy looking chest and skipped to level two. Immediately entered the boss room to a glichy looking Gunholder. The intro had scrambled text and the gunholder split into two.
I died. I was the pilot with his starting pistol.
>>333327992
I honestly don't know how anyone could say this is slower than Isaac. That was literally one of the most boring games I've ever played.
>>333327103
your instinct is worth about as much as the Absolution mechanic of the same name
>>333327874
I've played for 4
Haven't seen any yet. Care to give an example?
I can point out at least 20 in nuclear throne. To start, every ultra weapon, and every golden weapon.
>>333327812
>easiest enemy in the game
>You have to offload an entire clip to kill
No wonder this game feels tedious as shit
>>333327992
>Plus the simple screen shake effect makes for better gunplay
you're welcome.
>>333328007
>not researching a game you're about to invest money and/or time into
You are literally and figuratively retarded.
>>333328008
>Replying to namefags ever
Starting the game right now, what are some tips or stuff to keep in mind while playing?
>>333328206
But that's wrong
Marine can kill 3 basic enemies with his starting pistol.
Hunter one/two shots most early floor enemies with her crossbow
Haven't tested the rest
>>333328206
are you people using the default infinite weapon like it's what you're actually supposed to be progressing with or something?
>>333328048
I meant Beholster.
Gunholder is a better name though in my opinion
>>333328303
>what is torrenting
>indieshit pixel flavor of the week
>official thread on /v/
>no download
SHAKING MY HEAD TO BE HONEST FAMILIA
>>333327992
>Nuclear thrones weapons are more varied
Oh man, a shotgun that shoots more bullets. And this one shoots FIRE shotgun bullets.
What variety
>>333328475
but devs gotta make money somehow you know desu senpai nig
>>333328475
Check the Roguelite general on /vg/
>>333328475
>posts Tumblrtale
>complains about fotw indie shit
o i am laffin
off yourself faggot
>>333328475
Its devil daggers all over again just hide thread and move on
>>333328490
gungeon's weapons are "this one reuses this level art asset, this other one reuses another art asset"
fuck off
>>333328490
don't shitpost. there's different spray, effects, range, power...
>>333328093
it is slower unless you don't get any damage in isaac. that's isaac's main problem, having shit damage makes it tedious because enemies are for the most part simplistic. this game despite being touted as bullet hell, has plenty of cover and a dodgeroll that makes most enemies a walk in the park - that is unless the damage wasn't so shit and coupled with a fucking several second reload time it made me die out of boredom.
>>333328659
Sound like you haven't even played the game senpai
>>333328638
>undertale had free downloads on /v/ constantly during the week it was praised then it became openly reviled
>exactly like this new game
exactly why i posted it, fuckface
>>333328475
Why not just use cs.rin.ru?
>>333328794
sounds like you can't take criticism
>>333328365
with her crossbow that fires one bolt per five seconds. one bottom tier enemy per 5 secs, now that is tedious.
>>333328337
to remember that steam refunds is a thing before you hit the 2 hours mark
>>333328475
there's downloads fuckin everywhere wut u talkin about m8
This game is absolutely perfect and I am super pumped to be playing it all fucking night with mygirlfriendgirlfriend
>>333328659
Show me these re-used assets
Hell, just tell me the guns names if you're lazy
>>333328659
I'm not shitposting. The different spray and shit just make it a straight up better or worse version of the normal shotgun.
The variety is slight stat changes on most of nuclear thrones weapons variants.
I appreciate the effort that was put into this game, but vast majority of favourable reviews just showcases how vidya bloggers have no idea how important is the pacing for the game quality. There's no way that a game with pacing this abysmal, that on top of that relies on replayability deserves a high score. It's the most important fucking element in both roguelike and shooter genre.
>>333328475
You can literally Google it 5 seconds or buy it for 6 fucking dollars. There's no way you're that poor.
https://twitter.com/DodgeRollGames/status/717463929589514241
/v/ BTFO
>>333328858
>one bolt per 5 seconds
you fucking what
play the damn game
>>333328457
I emphasize money and/OR time. But this is /v/, so I suppose your NEET spare time is next to worthless.
>>333323978
Is that a bad thing? Hard Mode made Rebirth good.
>>333329042
It's faster than binding of Isaac.
This is definitely more fun than Isaac. Not as much as nuclear throne but only time will tell if it gets to be
>>333329093
I played the fucking game, don't take everything literal, the crossbow takes ages to fire and only takes the lowest of the low with first hit.
Compare it to the Nuclear Throne crossbow to see how it's done.
>>333329218
Not really, but it does have that nice warp that should be patched into BoI
>>333329071
>/v/ BTFO
how? are you just spouting words you dont understand?
>>333328048
Seriously, has anyone seen this?
>>333329037
>the kiln
>this gun grabs the pots sprite we have and throws it LOL
>the book shooter gun thing
>LOL IT SHOOTS THE BOOKS THAT ARE ON THE FLOOR
>the gun gun
>HAHA MEMES
fuck off
>>333329337
NT crossbow could also carry you though the game
for a starting weapon, gungeon's crossbow is alright
>>333329071
/v/ likes this game, you doof
>>333329603
i don't
>>333329636
/v/ confirmed not liking the game
>>333329636
You aren't /v/
>>>/out/
How do I unlock the shortcut to lower floors?
Do I just have to keep rescuing people? I got the girl and big thing, vampire looking girl and a blue bullet
>>333325871
with a shotgun beholster is easy
>>333329337
I've played Nuclear Throne, and the only difference is it doesnt pierce on kill.
>>333329438
>Not really
Do you start every run with 2 damage ups?
The red flies take 2 hits, while the equivalent in this game takes 1.
Every spider enemy takes ages, the Gapers have 10 health. Then they only get tankier.
>>333329690
that's why /v/ is BTFO, another successful indie game despite /v/ hating it
>>333329592
>starting weapon
There's another aspect of bad design in Gungeon. Most weapons are +1 and nothing more. Crossbow carries you through NT because you learn to use it to your advantage. You can't do shit with Gungeon weapons because they don't have any damage output. You can finish Nuclear Throne with a lead pipe.
>Fighting bullet king for first time
>Shoot and kill him just as he uses that Molotov attack
>am stuck in fire and die while cut scene plays showing all the loot i could of had if not been stuck in fire
>>333329438
But then the rooms that are nothing but spikes and spike blocks wouldn't serve their steak-eating purpose.
>>333329764
I like it how you forget that Isaac has zero reload time.
>>333329841
>lead pipe
That isn't a weapon the player can use.
>>333329580
I thought you meant the guns themselves not the fuckin bullets.
Nuclear Throne is 10 times worse in the re-using ammo sprites department.
Plus this was about gun variety, not about the like 5 weapons that use in other assets as ammo
>>333329847
I had that in mind but I think the game could manage without those awesome gameplay elements. There's hardly anything more challenging than waiting for the stone head to spit out a blood tear.
>>333329991
A melee weapon, whatever, I don't even like NT, it's just that Gungeon people could learn from it.
>>333329946
yeah he just shoots a fuckload slower
"beefy" mid-range enemy in this game?
3 shots. You crank them out nearly as fast as you can click. Revolver has 6.
>>333329841
ill give you that weapon progression isnt a thing, but holy hell can weapons synergise with passive items
lighting shotgun bullets are fucking great
>>333329705
It's shit.
>>333330021
hah! the joke is on you! You thought my goalposts were here? I have actually moved them all the way over THERE! You did not score at all, in fact you missed completely!
>>333329603
I think it sucks
Ive only played for 62 minutes though, can i get a refund?
>>333329946
I actually didnt consider that. but the reload times are usually only 1-2 seconds, and most of the guns I've seen can clear most of the rooms/a whole wave before needing to reload.
It still feels like enemies stall me less in this game.
The only thing that really makes rooms take longer is the new waves of enemies. Are you sure that's not the real problem you have with it?
>>333330192
I've been bamboozled for the last time
>>333330364
I think two hours is the cut off point
>>333330181
Cheeky son of a bitch
so, it's a roguelike, right? once you die, you start from 0?
>>333330380
I think the main problem you should have with Gungeon is that it can be argued that fucking Binding of Isaac, the game I hate on multiple levels can have better pacing.
I don't mind waves of enemies, I do mind that I don't feel like playing any of the level 1 bosses ever again because it takes ages to kill them. Isaac has that skinner box draw, gambling element where you wonder what's in the yellow room this time. Cheap tactic but it works.
>>333330843
Yeah
>>333330848
Nigga I can argue anything, that doesnt make what I'm arguing any less bullshit
>>333330843
Yeah, unlock system is like Isaac though, items and guns get unlocked through many runs
>>333331009
I am not a nigger and I'm stating the mechanics inherent to games I'm comparing and that I have experienced.
>find mahoguny
>its a gun that shoots two leaves and a pinecone
>leaves act as bullets and pinecone is a grenade
>literally facerolling everything with it and it comes with an absurd amount of ammo (like 370 shots)
>get to third boss
>game crashes
well alright then....
also enemy variety is pretty weak so far and the bosses are more annoying than anything after the 4th,5th,6th playthrough but it could get better at later floors with more stuff unlocked
>>333330848
How can people be this bad I don't even get it. It's like you've never played a game where enemies have had a decent chunk of health. I got to the 4th floor my first run on this. I've also killed the floor 1 and floor 2 bosses with just the starting pistols without any issue. Some weapons are stronger than others and that's just the way these games work.
I still don't know how it takes you so long to kill the bosses if it doesn't even take long with the shitty starting pistols.
>>333330848
>Isaac has that skinner box draw, gambling element where you wonder what's in the yellow room this time.
You don't even get that on Gungeon because you're always running on 0 keys and all the guns are shit
>>333331127
*leafs
jesus fuck im retarded
>>333331208
My complaint has nothing to do with difficulty, you dolt, I was talking strictly about pacing.
So what the fuck do you do at an alter?
How do you drop guns and items if you're playing a keyboard?
Why are the keybindings all for like an xbox gamepad but if I don't have one I can't rebind them to different keys on my fucking keyboard?
How do you free the npcs out of the jail cells if the keys don't work?
>>333331525
>So what the fuck do you do at an alter?You can bring an item from the secret floor 1.5 to it
>How do you drop guns and items if you're playing a keyboard?
F by default IIRC, changeable in key bindings
>I can't rebind them to different keys on my fucking keyboard?
Use your eyes in the options menu, you dolt, you can rebind all the keyboard controls
>How do you free the npcs out of the jail cells if the keys don't work?
You need cell keys, which you can find somewhere on the same level, worst case you need to beat the boss to get it
>>333331802
how the hell do you get to thesecret floor?
>>333331384
I still fail to see how it's an issue.
Its the price that's paid for random generation.
Getting to higher levels doesn't always mean you're always going to get 100% better stuff than what you already have and there's nothing wrong with that.
There are games without any random generation that have worse pacing, lots of them do honestly.
>>333323391
>Bullet King is a free win for me every time
>Vulcan Raven always kills me
>>333332056You know that fireplace with the big portrait above it? You have to extinguish the fire somehow, usually with a water barrel.Good luck finding keys.
>>333332056Somewhere in level 1 there's a fireplace. Somewhere else there's a water barrel (or two). You need to roll a water barrel into the fireplace (you can also do this with a water projectile gun if you happen to pick one up), which allows you to walk into it and toggle a secret switch. This opens a secret room with a double-locked grate in it. Opening this grate allows you to access the first secret floor.In the secret floor, you will come across an unique armor pickup called "Old Armor". This is the item you can bring to the altar on level 2, which apparently gives you access to the second secret level. However, something to keep in mind is that the old armor, after picked up, acts like any other armor, so if you get hit, you lose it. As such, ideally you'll pick it up after you're done with the secret floor and ready to move on to level 2 proper, after which you'll need to find the altar without getting hit once.
>>333332096
I was arguing that the issue is that you spend first 10 minutes doing chore-like gameplay that pays off in minuscule power creep. It's the worst sort of design you can have in a shooter, much more a bullet hell one.
>>333332458
jesus, so what happens ifyou manage to carry all the secret shit from altar to altar to the end of the game?
>>333332723I have no idea. I've only beaten the first secret level once so far and I failed at bringing the Old Armor to the altar on level 2 because I picked it up so early into the secret level.
>>333332694
Just the way the cookie crumbles. You have good runs and bad runs. Its that way in any game with any kind of random loot generation. Shit happens in MMOs and dungeon crawlers and shit as well and those take even longer.
This is literally how a boss is designed in this game. Zero fucking effort. In fact this 30 second drawing I made in mspaint looks better than the original.
>>333332918
There is no possibility of a 'good run' in Gungeon when talking about the first floor. The game is designed around power creep; it creeps. Isaac is designed around gambling so you can get overpowered near instantly. Nuclear Throne is designed around every weapon being viable.
>>333333010
But you can beat every boss without getting touched and it's encouraged. Stop being bad and learn how to play and adapt to shooting balls.
>>333333180
not
talking
about
difficulty
you
mongrel
Gamepad or M+KB?
>>333333246
Considering what you wrote that's the only thing of worth that could be extracted from it. The bosses have patterns and they're quite telegraphed as well. So I don't know exactly what you're complaining about if it's not difficulty.
>>333332209
how do you bullet king? He kicks my shit in every damn time.
>>333333325
I prefer KB+M, I can aim way more precisely that way.
>>333333010
the snake?
the snakegirl?
the tank but not a snake?
the bird?
How do you steal from the merchants? I've been able to do it once, but never a second time.
>>333333612
>the bird
>even rips off vulcan raven death animation
le quirk
>>333333831
speaking of that, is there any way to kill that rat fucker that steals stuff?
>>333333951
but a bird isn't a circle
>>333318569
>Bullet-kin
/k/AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
>>333330525
>>333330364
yes.
2 hours isn't even a hard cutoff
they can be forgiving if you go a little over
>>333333539
He shoots a lot of bullets, but his patterns are probably the most consistent out of all the first level bosses. Stay clam and keep your distance (this is really the key part) and it'll be pretty easy to dodge all of them even without the dodge roll. The attack to most watch out for is the big bullet that splits into several smaller bullets.
this is the Brawl of Rogue-Likes
>>333331115
>>333330843
also once you jump through some hoops you get a spelunky-like level skip system .
>>333335282
Wait.... you can skip in Spelunky?
Literally how? I made it to the ice place like once
>>333329186
I'm bad at games.
>>333332209
Bullet King was the hardest for me, raven was the easiest.
Lay down hard damage while he's doing anything but his shooting attack
Once the minigun's revved up and spraying just stay midrange and circle-strafe him while firing, rolling when necessary.
Game feels slow. Kinda boring.
>>333335438
Not the original Game Maker version, the HD version.
>>333335664I have the HD version. What do you need to do?
>>333335664
Level skipping was in the original GM version already
>>333329173
>My time is so unimaginably valuable I cannot afford even a single hour to see if I enjoy a game, so an hour watching someone else play it will suffice.
Sure thing bud
>>333335438
>>333335719
it's a bit of a bitch but simple enough: when you're on the scorescreen walking along the little thing from one world to the next there'll be a guy in the path who you can give shit to (bombs, ropes, whatever)
you do this a bunch of times and eventually he builds a shortcut from the main selection screen
>>333329173
>watching someone play something in real time is faster than actually playing something myself to see if I like it
L... LOL??
>>333335784
Huh... I seem to vaguely remember something like this. I should give Spelunky another go. Thanks anon
>>333332723You're in the Gungeon for a reason: to kill your past. You'd need a mighty special bullet to do that, though.
>>333335909
Just remember,The major secret level and the secret final world can't be gotten unless you start from the beginning.
>>333320847
>nick
>bad
someone got shit on in duck game
>>333335492
Adding to this, I feel like an asshole going PEW PEW PEW to kill even weaker enemies. Hunter is good because she starts with a weapon that lets you one-shot most of the weaker enemies on the first floor, and some even on the second one.
Even if strong weapon has big reload time, and even if rapid-fire weapon would kill enemy faster, I still prefer using one that deals lots of damage at once.
It kinda feels like there's not enough ways to influence what you get?
>>333318910
i think you've lost your spark, its time to take a gaming break
>>333336401
THANK YOU PEQUOD
>>333336401
Thanks pequod
>>333333333
>>333336401
Morpho was a better pilot than you'll ever be, go fuck yourself, Pequod.
Is there anything special about the oubliettes?
>>333337041
>Morpho was a better pilot
Morpho couldn't even out maneuver a rocket his bad piloting put the boss in a coma for 9 years Morpho is shit
Is this anything like Binding of Isaac crossed with Nuclear Throne?
Any fast gameplay? All the shit I've seen looked slower than Isaac. This being at least as fast as NT would sell me on it, but otherwise I'm not really interested.
>>333337610
throw in a dash of spelunky
>>333337908
Pass on it then. It's balanced around having enemies that are fewer in number but tougher individually. Gunfights are more strictly about maneuvering the arena while timing your reloads, cover, weapon swaps and item usage.
It stays far away from NT's frenetic pace. A closer comparison would be a shmup version of Rogue Legacy
>Can win in Isaac 95% of the time without trying
>Can't get past the 3rd floor in this game
fug
>>333314417
any mods yet to make the space marine white?
>>333339481
does it trigger you that much?
>>333339481
no but there's a mod to make the pilot black if you want to RP Denzel Washington from flight
>>333339578
Yes, why else would I ask for it? Anymore stupid questions from the peanut gallery?
>>333339578
no I'm just trying to trigger you
>>333339481
Do you want to make Hunter white too?
>tfw love Nuclear Throne
>tfw no one's going to give a shit about it anymore now that this game is out
>>333339701
no way. I have a fetish for black chicks. I just hate playing as a black guy.
>>333339697
>just pretending to be retarded
>>333339752
actually this game is a lot slower than I thought it would be, so Im going to try NT next
>>333339752
not really
this game is alright but I don't see it being bigger than NT
Why is everyone complaining about it not being fast enough? I actually enjoy it this way. Feels more methodical, more like a gun fight. Its fun.
I also love fast paced shit, but when I want that I can play NT, or just go play Tohou. There's room for variation.
>>333340525
mostly fine with how slow everything is, but reloading is a huge drag
Loving the game so far, it's just a shame how 'meh' the soundtrack seems. I haven't really caught any part of a track that made me go "Oh shit that's good"
Heck, even constantly having to hear DUN NA NA NA NA NAAAAAAAAAA every time I restarted a run in Nuclear Throne, it grew on me, and there were themes like YV's crib and the turtles level in the sewers, those were rad. So far, I haven't even noticed Gungeon's music at all.
>>333340754
>Reloading is a huge drag
Marine with Cog of War is some shit.
>>333339752
>Giving a shit about NT after vlambam fucked everything
Does this have some sort of DRM?
I beat the first level boss several times and nothing happens, no reward or such
>>333340876
cog of war is nice, but Ive only found it once. unlike BoI, you don't get your first item right next to you when starting the game. you have to hunt around for it. most of them so far hardly seem like anything you can make a build around anyways, other than just hoping for an automatic weapon
>>333340525
>>333340525
I think this just happens when people have been enjoying something for a while but are getting tired of it, so they look to something else to be an iteration on that thing they love.
That's what happened with me back when I was playing the fuck out ofMW2. After I got sick of it, I just kept trying to find something that felt just like it but was different enough to feel fresh. Bought BF3 and, although it was a fine game but all the little things that made it NOT MW2 fucking made me hate it. Lower weapon damage, longer movement animations (vaulting over objects etc). Couldn't fucking stand to play it.
Just a side effect of coming in to something with the wrong mindset.
>>333341262
No, that's the side effect of being a fucking babby who plays COD
>>333341485
nah you're just failing to see the actual discussion being made because you're too wrapped up trying to spout /v/ memes, but don't let it get you down: that's how the board operates.
So in this game, when you die do you retain anything? or do you start from scratch, like an arcade game?
>>333340208
Naw, this game has much more polish than NT. I can see it being bigger especially for the Isaac crowd. Plus Ive never been shreked by randomly generated maps in this game. Ive been but in bad situations but that's more of a tough luck git gud situation. NT loved to put me in the middle of a robot filled tundra for spawn four snipers behind the Big Dog. Plus the luck in the game got annoying at times. Passing up guns just to get two melee's and a shit gun isn't fun. Getting multiple bad mutations in a row sucks ass. So far in gungeon I haven't found a gun that didn't benefit me at least a little.
>>333314719
Maybe because there's been several dozen threads this past week?
>>333342225
>>333340208
was NT even that big?
I mean it did alright for an indie there's no doubt but the community seems pretty niche compared to say a spelunky or a boi
>>333339752
>mfw trying to get NT into a window size that works
>mfw you can click outside the window and fuck everything up
is this fucking 2005 or some shit? how is this excusable?
>>333342197
You can get characters to hub, unlock new items and get shortcuts. Stuff like that, not actual boosts to characters that I'd know of.
>>333330843
Permadeath doesn't make a game a roguelike.
>Game goes from 60 fps to slideshow for no reason
Why the fuck does this keep happening?
Even after reverifying the files and redownloading, it's still happens.
Fuck, I need a betterlaptop
Game's great though.
>Get to merchant
>decide to shoot 3 times to see what happens
>kills me and then the game crashes
What is the "Magical Item" from chamber 1 you're supposed to give to the guy to open the shortcut up?
Download where
>>333343853
The one you get for clearing the boss without taking damage.
>>333344035
oh is that it? shit thanks man.
>>333314417
>no online co-op
fucking dropped
What exactly are the credits used for after you beat the bosses, and how the hell do you find secrets?
>>333340940
Dev was probably smart and threw their own broken copy onto the internet first to fuck with pirates
Your game being broken is not DRM
>>333344225
Hegemony credits are used to unlock new items from the shop to the left of the gungeon entrance.
You need to find and free the shopkeeper first.
>>333343737
It happens to me on my toaster after an hour or so. Game seems to have issues.
Is there any hope for a endless mode at some point, or is there already one?
>>333343737
If performance constantly decreases despite no additional requirements, there's probably a memory leak. Nothing to do but wait for a fix.
>game has DRM-free GOG version
>first uploads are cracked steam versions
lolwut
where can i find a starting weapon that doesnt suck. seriously this game would be great if i could start out with a gun that wasnt complete trash
>>333345776
Play Hunter and use Crossbow.
>>333345776
all the weapons suck get used to it
>>333336401
THANK YOU PEQUOD
>>333346473
i still literally would have to shoot the bosses over 100 times to kill them. thats outrageous.
>>333315465
The marine or pilot. The rest just aren't good.
>>333346824
Well yeah. Can't help with bosses.
hunter porn when
FIGHT SABRE IS O-FUCKING-PEE
Jesus... that gun is the carry ALL. Reload to deflect bullets!? EASILY ONE OF THE BEST GUNS IN THE FUCKING GAME!
Do I need to give that fucker 120 bullets and 2 keys for the elevator in one single run or can it be over multiple?
>>333315465
Pilot by far
lockpicks for brown and green chests too good
>>333319437
Saws can ricochet all over the place and you're immune to them.
>>333348765
the damage was surprisinglyshitfor a big red
I pirated and couldn't get into it. I used to be really into binding of isaac but for some reason roguelikes these days just bore me to no end. You clear a room and then walk around about 30% of the time towards the next/backtrack ecause it'S a dead end. Ziguratt was another great little game that I very quickly got bored of.
>You are now ready to Enter... The Gungeon.
Seriously?
it's bad because it's retro graphics.. yada yada yada Isaac was better yada yada I liked it before it was coo- Zzz.
gaem is hard
>>333348256
Someone please answer this it is pertinent as hell
>>333324930
basically this
It feels too much like BoI so far and I hate pretty much everything about BoI
I love this game, but fuck me sideways if the difficultly is baby-tier and then all of the sudden god tier at chamber 4Also does anyone know what to do at the alter room in chamber 1? I know about the fireplace shit but no idea about the alter
Man, this game is pretty tedious. 25 minutes just to get to the third floor, and then I die so I have to restart.
I wish the floors were shorter and the bosses had less HP, starting with a non-shit weapon would help too.
>the clock that shoots you every time you die matches up with your computer's clock
>>333351183
>>333351183
Holy fucking shit you are right
>>333345776
>>333346824
Ever played any type of bullet hell games? The bosses always have bullet sponge HP. The difficulty is dodging the shit they throw at you while also shooting them back.
Tired of hearing the same complaint about enemies having too much HP over and over again. This isn't Nuclear Throne
>>333350897
>OH LOOK AT ME LOOK AT HOW GOOD I AM ITS BABY TIER
>>333351486
Have you ever played a bullet hell? Because these bosses don't warrant that amount of HP, they just repeat the same 2 shitty patterns over and over again, I wouldn't complain about long boss fights if they did something interesting, but they don't.
>>333351864
Bullet hells are even worse
Can anyone buy me this game on steam for a 20 buck psn code?
>>333351864
you talk big like can dodge those bullet non-stop, show me the video where you do that n00b
>>333351519
It is baby tier up until chamber 4, then you just get rekt.Haven't beaten the game yet, not trying to brag
>>333351864
Yeah, I played EoSD and Imperishable Night. Not only is the bullet hell worse, the main bosses take longer to down than anything I've seen in Gungeon so far.
You're acting like each boss in Gungeon is as bad as Hush from TBoI.
>>333351183
>kill your past
DEEPEST LORE
>>333352267
Most disagree
Many cannot get past floor 3
>>333352687
I got to floor 4 my first play and died and now I can barely make it back there again. Fuck
>>333352687
This.
I'd say that the 3rd stage boss is when the gloves come off.
>>333352817
Nah just the tank
Floating skull is way easier
>>333352325
>Not only is the bullet hell worse
Nice opinion.
> the main bosses take longer to down than anything I've seen in Gungeon so far.
In the time you beat this game once you could finish any touhou game, maybe even twice.
Touhou isn't about killing the bosses, it's about dodging the patterns.
This game is in this weird middle where the shooting isn't that satisfying and the patterns aren't that complex.
>>333352979
Maybe I'd get to stage 4 if the skull would ever show up. Treadnaught all day erry day.
>>333352986
But have you even beaten it yet?
>>333335664
You can absolutely do it in the original version.
>>333352979
>>333353201
>Every floor besides the third has 3 bosses
WHY
That just increases the chance of Treadnaut from 33% to 50%
Am I doing something wrong with pilot or do I just have unbelievably bad luck? I've never been able to use his active to open a chest ever. No browns or greens or blues or anything it just gets a red x and then I can't even use a regular key
>>333353280
I got to the 4th chamber but I honestly don't want to continue, this game just makes want to play NT again.
>>333353496
Bad luck. I don't know the percentage, but it's just sheer bad luck.
>>333352136
Just pirate it man. No one wants your shitty psn card that was already used.
>>333353387
That's not actually true.There's a secret Mimic boss which can appear in floors 3 and 4.
>>333353767
Is it different than the normal one? Because I just found one on the first floor
>>333320062
I mixed this with bouncing bullets earlier on stream. each time it bounces it throws out more bananas. it's disgustingly sick
>>333353767
What about thesecret floorsOnly saw the big slime so far
>>333353657
I never used my psn cards, and btw I don't like tricking people honestly before I make any kind of exchange I'll take a picture of it with time, and date to make sure it's real, and I won't even have a sony ps3,4 on to even use the card for it.
I honestly don't need them so I'll actually exchange 1 for this game, because rougelites I like.
So I played it and it feels like a slower and less fun version of Nuclear Throne where all the enemies are bullet sponges and none of the guns feel satisfying to use.
Nuclear Throne is made by people who don't even know how to make videogames, how can you fuck up this hard?
>>333353921No, the mimic boss ONLY appears in those floors, and nowhere else.
>>333353921I'll give you a hint: the boss doesn't look like a chest.
>>333322830
>>333340792
Really? For me catching tunes uts what it brings me to these kind of games.
Oh well NeuroVoider sounds promising tho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRyGrvW-y4A
>>333354005
The thronedogs and elites are bullet sponges. The only bullet sponges in this are the bosses honestly.
And this game isn't nuclear throne so I don't see why everyone feels the need that it should play exactly the same.
I just picked it up on my ps4, trying to build my library up.
How is the framerate on the ps4 if anyone else is playing on it?
>>333354180
It literally takes like four-five shots to kill a single enemy in this game lol.
Also
>And this game isn't a fun game so I don't see why everyone feels the need that it should play the same as a fun game
No shit sherlock????? That's like making good games 101
>>333354180
>And this game isn't nuclear throne so I don't see why everyone feels the need that it should play exactly the same
The combat in the game is INCREDIBLY similar to NT, right down to the red/white projectiles. Comparisons between the two games will be inevitable, but I'd argue the rest of the game stands out from both it and Isaac.
>>333354491
It's honestly like comparing gears of war and uncharted at this point.
They both are similar but they're not trying to be the same game.
>>333354481
They're obviously balanced different. Nuclear throne you're dead in a few hits and so are enemies and you have scarce ammo that reflects that. This is the opposite. It's not that the game is bad its just that you're an idiot and apparently are bad at it.
>>333354481
>It literally takes like four-five shots to kill a single enemy in this game lol.
why haven't you gotten any other gun besides the default pistol yet? the hunter's crossbow oneshots the small guys and two-shots a bunch of other slightly bigger guys in chambers 1-2
>>333354005
my feelings exactly. how the fuck can they mess up the guns in a game with that name
>>333354721
Yeah. This IS the opposite, which is whythis game isn't fucking fun.
Also
>It's just that you're an idiot and apparently bad at it.
Nigga you preceded this by basically saying that this game is EASIER
Are you for fucking REAL???
>>333354781
Here's the problem, the default pistol killed enemies in NT in two shots, the problem is that in NT there were a lot of enemies and you died quickly. This game's main problem is that there are barely any enemies, they're not threats, and they're bullet sponegs.
It's
BORING
Also, here's one thing Nuke Throne did right:
THEY MADE THE GAME FUN FROM THE GET-GO
THIS GAMES FIRST COUPLE CHAMBERS JUST DRAG ON
>Game is called Enter the Gungeon.
>Nothing in the game is accurate to guns.
This game literally alienates the average /k/ user, what the fuck?
Gunplay isn't satisfying, the game's flow and drops feel exactly like BoI which I'm already sick of, reloads are annoying, enemies are bullet sponges.
Does it get better?
I knew I should have just gotten NeuroVoider
>>333354920
>chambers
holy shit i just got that pun
>>333354920
You haven't found a small room with 3 dark knights and no cover.
>>333355094
>You haven't found this small isolated experience.
YOU DON'T MAKE A GAME WHERE YOU ONLY HAVE FUN /SOME/ OF THE TIME
UNLESS OF COURSE THAT'S THE POINT
IN WHICH IN THIS CASE, IT CLEARLY ISN'T
HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHY ARE PEOPLE TOLERATING SUCH LAZY, BORING CASHGRABS?
GOD DAMNIT I'M SICK OF THIS SHIT THIS IS WHY VIDEOGAMES SUCK NOW
>>333354920
> the default pistol killed enemies in NT in two shots
But it doesn't. It doesn't even kill scorpions in the desert in two shots, it kills them at 5.
why is your bias showing so hard
>>333355220
I'm having a lot of fun with Gungeon.
Checkmate.
>all this Nuclear Throne shitposting
>>333355220
why are you so mad though? I play Nuclear Throne, I enjoy it, I also started playing Gungeon, and guess what? I enjoy it too
and you know what?other people enjoy both games too
>>333355316
And I have a lot of fun listening to pop music.
Because pop music is designed explicitly to take the same popular chord progressions
Use them over and over
and people like them because again, scientifically, those chord progressions are catchy and appealing.
It works becauseyou're underage and haven't heard it a billion times.
>>333355354
I think that they're starting to panic and think that Gungeon's community is going to steal people from theirs
Considering the average age of the NT community on Steam and Reddit, this is completely plausible
>>333355401
>you're underage
That's the best thing you got? I'm 28, you stupid fuck.
>>333355362
You're right, and it's for this reason that things like this are popular and a thing.
>>333331246
You were right the first time.
>>333355473
Forgot to post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lmvX00TLY
>>333353538
How hard would it be to make a mod or a cheat engine hack that would double all damage dealt? That + a 1.5x or 2x speedhack and the game's pace would be fantastic.
>>333355556
You know what? Fuck it. Every single time someone posts "M-muh opinion" and "I'm having fun so it's fun" I'm just going to post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lmvX00TLY
There is literally no retort other than to say that they support modern art, which makes them look wrong to everyone else.
It's that simple.
>>333355567
because then, if you're killing things fast, you'd never need to use cover or dodge roll. it's a different game than nuclear throne. can you get over that?
>>333340910
How did that happen?
it's fun, and helping me pass the time till dark souls 3.
win/win
I found binding of Isaac boring
Would I like this?
>>333355665
It's been a while since I've seen someone buttblasted over some gamemaker indie game that's been shadowed by some unity indie game
but really, why are you so mad though? people are having fun, isaac streamers are having fun, there's no harm done
>>333355891
100x less fun and interesting than isaac, so probably no
>>333339752
>They still haven't released a patch for the ps4 or vita
I lost faith in them honestly they fucked up the launch on PC and consoles unbelievably bad. I even bought the game multiple times and I wish I hadn't at this point even though I love it.
>>333355891
Unlikely
Despite what that NT shill is rambling about this game is way more like Isaac than NT
It's actually slower
>>333355982
But Isaac is one of the least fun games ever
It literally boils down to
>get op immediately
Or
>quit and retry
Shits not fun and is a literal rng simulator with slow every thing
>>333355891
Probably not, but maybe
>>333356059
Basically this game's problem, too.
You need to get a good gun 1st floor or you're going to have a bad time.
>>333356219
That's why I go Hunter
Crossbow usually does me good for the first two chambers before I really need a good gun to not get fucked over by Chamber 3
>>333318910
>trying THIS fucking hard to find something negative to say
You're a living, breathing cancer and should end your misery at once.
wait wait wait, the dude with the dog is a girl? What the fuck?
>>333355936
The harm that's done is that it incentivizes talented game creators to create shallow garbage instead of taking risks because it doesn't guarantee success.
It affects the people making games and people who like complex games with depth.
Too videogamey, needs a decent story
Western garbage is not plus too
Games like these are cool for kids but for adults a good story is also needed.
>>333356219
I also feel that Isaac is way more lenient. Even if you get hit few times, you're likely to have enough health at the end of the floor to lose it on purpose.
On Gungeon it's common not to get any health drops before beating the boss of the floor. It's also likely that you won't get extra keys or anything. While that can happen in Isaac too, it's more common to get something than to not.
>>333356479
>Too videogamey, needs a decent story
t. A retard attempting to parody people who want good videogames, but is too pretentious and retarded to even understand the arguments about what makes a game good.
What's the best starting class?
Controller or kb+m?
>>333356679
Hunter.
Either, controller support's solid.
>>333328475
>post undershit, the literal definition of indieshit, tumblr meme garbage FOTW
>ask to be spoonfed
Kill yourself.
>>333356642
I just want a good story, if you like shit like mario that's cool, go enjoy your gameplays.
>>333356523
I never played Isaac, but it does suck to not play perfectly and be down to 1 or 2 hits to death by the second floor boss.
I accept that I'm a shitter, but this game doesn't hold your hand at all.
>>333356761
Don't feed the trolls
>>333356679
For controller, depends on what you feel better with. I like having a crosshair personally, so I use keyboard and mouse.
I think Marine is the best character overall, better accuracy, reloading, and rechargeable max-ammo. Though, everyone will find something in some character.
>>333356679
Depends.
Do you feel lucky? Go with Pilot.
Want better stats for longer run? Marine.
Need more drops, and bit stronger weapon? Hunter.
Just want damage? Convict.
Personally I like going with Hunter. I'm not getting far enough yet to make use of Marine's better accuracy/reloading, whenever I use Pilot's item to try unlocking something and it jams I just feel like a sucker, and Convict's "get hit for extra damage" seems counter-productive when you want to avoid damage in bosses.
>>333356905
But the ammo drop is a one-time use, unless there's something I'm missing.
>>333356820
My general tips, don't conserve your Blanks. More often than not you just forget about them and never use any.
how can they fuck up the guns this bad
>>333356679
marine because the default pistol feels like ass
Isaac's default tears feel more powerful than this garbage
Salt and Sanctuary or Enter the Gungeon ??
>>333320062
>High in potassium
Dropped
>>333355567
>>333355761
I think hacking damage up would be overkill. I'm playing at 1.5 speed and it feels fantastic. Running is fast, dodging is fast, bullets are fast, fire rate is fast, and consequently enemies die fast. The game is also significantly harder too.
If the game feels too slow then I really recommend just slapping cheat engine onto it and modifying the game speed.
>>333314417
>tfw refunded
it's not too late
>>333357620
>not trying before buying
>>333357557
At which level are you ?
>>333357620
>played for 5 hours before realizing what a mistake i made
you did the right thing
>>333357620
I need to stop using GMG
>>333357620
>Played for two hours
>"Maybe I should refund this, I'm not enjoying this as much as I hoped..."
>"No wait, I had a fun run with good gun, maybe that wasn't a fluke."
>Four hours later
>"Fuck."
I don't feel too bad tnough.
The tank is disproportionately difficult for where it is. Seems nesr impossible without full health or multiple blanks
>>333357912
It could be worse, it could be a $60 game. EtG is $13, it's basically the same as getting food at a mediocre restaurant.
I suck so much dick at this, holy fuck. No amount of NT could prepare me. I can't even finish floor 2.
>>333357912
>wasn't really interested because I thought it was going to be boring very fast
>got it for 6 dollars
>8 hours later and loving it
Well worth it for me
>>333357739
I just started. Just played around with the setting a little at the beginning before settling on a speed that felt good for clearing the game.
>>333352267
I get rekt at floor 2/3 because I'm a shitter
>>333358134
Was it at that nuuvem website?
>pick up the banana for the first time
>expect a meme gun
>W E W
I don't know what I was supposed to expect, but banana is fucking dank
>>333358283
I seriously doubt 1.5 is feasible in the later stages considering how unforgiving the health system is compared to BoI and NT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1xCuKmrrA8
There take a look at the last part and increase speed
>>333358571
Yup. Takes like 5 minutes to order from it and worth it.
>mfw reached medusa for the first time
Fuck, how can I be so bad at this game.
>>333357557
I'd be happy just to get better drop rates.
>>333318910
>>333318910
I have to agree. Especially with weapon part and shooting mechanics. There is literally no such feel of satisfaction as with Nuclear Throne when you get REALLY cool weapon.
The only reason NT loses is because le 30fps bullshit due to inexperienced dev.
>>333358984
NT also loses due to bugs, crashes, and devs not giving a shit despite that the game has been released for four months. Their console versions are even more fucked up than the PC version
>>333358870
They do paypal?
>>333359230
They do. Just use tunnelbear for the proxy and set it to Brazil and you can check out using PayPal and there's even a coupon code you can use I think APR20
>>333359149
>NT also loses due to bugs, crashes
Never had single one. In fact, never had any issues with any GameMaker game with crashes or bugs.
>>333359149
>despite that the game has been released for four months
did you mean:
>despite being in development for 2.5 years
>>333329843
dis raw
>>333359642
Just because you don't doesn't mean other people don't. Nuclear Throne is notorious for crashing all the time for absolutely no reason. It doesn't happen to me often but it still does and it's pretty much unnaceptable.
>>333355009
theres an m16 and a single action army thats what ive seen so far
>>333359642
If you main as Rogue, it'd be a different story. Rogue's portal strike canisters spawn probably 60% of the time; the other 40%, you're out of luck.
And you actually never had any crash? I call either bs or you've only been playing for less than 10 hours.
>>333336401
THANK YOU PEQUOD
>>333314417
I already have Nuclear Throne, what does this game offer that NT doesn't?
>>333355009
that's the joke
>>333360024
pls go
I have NT too. They're not mutually exclusive games where you can only have one at a time. If you're looking to replace NT with something, I'd suggest waiting for something else. EtG is more like Isaac
>>333359905
Yep, not a single one. It is weird, i don't have single issue with Gm games... except shitty 30fps and often non-returnable controls.
>>333359850
yeah I was just saying I neevr had any, it because GM stabiltiy REALLY depends on the system
>>333358713
You're probably right. The first floor is a cakewalk compared to the rest and I bump it up enough for first floor to be relatively challenging. (Granted I'm also playing the Pilot who has the worst starting gun in the entire game.)
The game certainly does get really hard by the end and I'm basically just hoping that the ramped up difficulty curve will prepare me to play the endgame at that speed.
And really, for me difficulty really isn't the main point. I just like the way the speed feels in terms of timings and overall pace.
>>333360172
This desu
I love nuclear throne and have 200 hours across my vita and pc but this game just isn't like it honestly. It's more akin to binding of Isaac but I enjoy it much more than that. I can see myself getting a lot of hours out of this game though.
>>333325026
You would have to find two of them, and I'm fairly certain the same gun doesn't drop more than once in 'co-op, nor do continuous laser weapons bounce.
So, I found an yellow alien looking dude and opened his cell. He just spoke some alient shit in an unintelligible language and didn't return to the breach afterwards.
What should I have done?
Unbiased nigger here.
Things I like about EtG over NT:
-Feels much smoother.
-Much nicer aesthetic.
-Combat feels better (probably because of #1)
-Getting hit feels punishing without feeling unfair like NT is at times.
-Can access secret levels without having to rely on RNG
-More uniqueness between runs. A lot of NT runs feel samey because you take mostly the same mutations when they show up and then rely on the same weapon archetypes.
Things I like about NT over EtG:
-Feels far less dependent on RNG.
-EtG has too many useless or just "eh" weapons compared to NT. NT's gun modifiers make the weapon archetypes feel better, as well.
-Unlike NT, where you can get through a majority of the game with a wrench, it doesn't feel like the base weapon is possible.
-MUCH faster gameplay. You can loops several times in NT in the amount of time it takes to complete a single EtG run.
-A lot more synergies between Mutations<->Weapons than EtG has for Passives<->Weapons.
-Different characters feel far more unique because of the actives.
In short, which is better?Both are great man. Stop crying about which cake tastes better and start feeling good about how we got 2 different types of cakes to enjoy.
>>333357557
How would I go about doing this?
>>333323391
Bullet king is easy mode but fuck gatling gull
>>333361591
>-Feels much smoother.
>-Combat feels better (probably because of #1)
yes
>Much nicer aesthetic.
Disagree. Simplicity of NT level design did not overload you with irrelevanti nformation and made screen reading easier.
>-Getting hit feels punishing without feeling unfair like NT is at times.
>-Can access secret levels without having to rely on RNG
agreed
>>333361591
>In short, which is better?
NT with 60fps update
>>333362010
>Disagree. Simplicity of NT level design did not overload you with irrelevanti nformation and made screen reading easier.
I gotta agree with this, actually. Even worse is when they have things that look like decorations actually effect your movement/bullets. Can't count the amount of times I've fired a gun and it got blocked by a piece of cheese on the table.
>NT with 60fps update
I dunno. I just feel like "why argue about which is better when both are great in their own right?" I'd rather focus on how awesome it is that we have 2 great and affordable games with good replayability to choose from instead. Both games could have easily been worth the price at $25.
>finally got to the Forge
>mfw Dragun
I didn't even manage to take him down to half health, jesus christ
>>333356454
Well aint that a shame
Cause even if you somehow conviced every fuckin person here that Gungeon is bad. It. Wouldnt. Matter.
People here are at best 5% of the total sales
Also the real punchline is that the girl in the Interior Semiotics vid you're toting around was doing exactly what you seem to want devs to do. Taking a risk, a big fat one.
>play marine
>still using sidearm in chamber 4 because every weapon i've found is shittier than the marine sidearm
>>333363152
This is my biggest complaint. The weapons are rarely good. There's at least ways you can (fairly reliably) get yourself a good damage in Isaac through devil deals. I'm not seeing anything like that in EtG. Especially when the game is fucking stingy as goddamn hell with keys.
>>333361634
Google Cheat Engine. It has a very easy to use speedhack right in the client.
>>333363305
the items seem to be either really great or totally worthless. the cartographer's ring even has a pretty good chance to do literally nothing at all for your entire run, since all it does is give you a chance to discover the map when you enter the next floor
i end up recycling all my items, getting more garbage, and recycling that in the hopes of eventually getting something worth keeping
>>333363305
There are some risk-reward mechanics in the game, the issue is actually getting them. Spice and Cigarettes for example are awesome.
>>333363305
Every weapon with explosions is godlike, especially on bosses.
It's basically this games version of the energy sword. Taking the bullet outta bullet hell
>>333314417
Only gripe I have with it is it's fucking SLOW as shit. Even with the ability to teleport. Takes long to clear a big room and THEN when you kill the enemies 50% of the time more enemies will respawn in.
I liked the pacing of Nuclear Throne a lot better. Clearing a whole level in a minute or less as opposed to 10 minutes on Enter the Gungeon.
>>333363305
>>333363152
>The weapons are rarely good
That's really odd. I've found myself using quite a lot of weapons.
You guys just firing the weapon for 2 seconds and then discarding it, or just getting really shitty luck?
>>333364130
Shitty luck, I guess. I've found a few useful weapons, but most of them have been "I guess I'll use this instead of wasting ammo on the good weapon" trash.
