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No dark elves, no buy
nobody cares about your irrelevant edgelord factions
Next game. Which is probably going to be 2017 because all the framework is done, and elves won't be that hard to add. Skaven are going to be the fucking best in this shit though.
>>333152609
>dark elves
Go jerk off you horny retard
>>333152609
Dwarves must be the most boring race in any setting. Actually they're exactly the same in every game.
Fuck CA and fuck Warscape
I'll buy their games again when they learn how to release them in a playable state and stop bloating them with shitty DLC
>Shitmar
Pass. Enjoy your dumbed-down, casualized trash and shit lore.
I really hope they add the Tomb Kings. That'd be sweet. Even better if they just copy paste the New World expansion from Medieval 2 and have everyone fucking around in Lustria. Also allows for a playable skaven clan, Clan Pestilins
>>333152791
It's not Age of Shitstains. It's going to be well before the End Times.
As long as there is chaos or highelves im down.
>>333152908
>chaos
sure if you preorder
>high elves
lol nope
>>333152609
Have I got a deal for you...with just one additional payment $4.99 you can unlock the Total: Warhammer Dark Elves Faction DLC.
>>333152908
That's an additional $12.99 goy
>>333152752
>implying TW:W isnt perfect for DLC
>>333152964
>blood textures DLC pack $3.00
>>333152609
where da amazoness at?
>>333152609
>Giant Spiders
No buy
>>333152908
Chaos is preorder only. CA strikes again. [Spoiler]and like the good goy I am I preordered [/spoiler]
Daily reminder there is absolutely nothing wrong with CAs DLC policy
Day 1 DLC and generally poor DLC excluded
>>333153040
Don't you like spiders? Don't worry, they like you
>>333153038
Probably the second expansion, in2020
>>333152739
>play bloodbowl
>literally football with murder and mutations
>dwarves still manage to suck all the fun out of it
>>333152793
>another undead faction
>when we don't even have lizardmen, skaven or elves
>>333152752
>fuck Warscape
With the improvements made in Attila the latest version of warscape is superior to the older engines in every way.
>>333153448
To be honest its likely they will do TK just because they already have skeletons done which makes sense.
>>333152908
Chaos is pre-order
High Elves are likely in another game, this is a planned trilogy.
>>333153490
Of course it's comparatively superior, the other engine is like ten years old. It's still a piece of shit engine that should have been abandoned years ago but never will be because CA are lazy and incompetent fucks.
>>333153386
>not playing can opener chaos
>not murdering every dwarf team you come across
>>333153386
How?
>>333152739
LotR dorfs are neat
>>333153597
>It's still a piece of shit engine
On what basis? They release a new iteration of it with every game and it's improved dramatically.
>>333153625
When they get the ball, they just turtle up and inch their way across the field. Dwarves have good defense values and skills but are among the lowest mobility teams.
It's a legit tactic but holy fuck is it boring to play against them.
>>333153045
At least preordering isn't as completely an exploitative racket now that Steam refunds exist.
Of course just because the first hill on Mr. Bones' Wild Ride isn't as scary anymore doesn't mean you're getting off anytime soon.
>>333152739
Their Grudge system seems pretty cool desu.
So what are Dwarves like in the tabletop game? Same as in bloodbowl or is their lack of mobility a giant hindrance?
I wanted to like it, but
>four factions
>CHAOS is a preorder bonus
>DLC is going to be out the ass
>>333154082
If you have a problem with the number of playerable faction you have no idea how much depth there is to them.
>>333154134
You could not sound like more of a shill. Do you currently have a playable copy of the game or are you just parroting marketing?
>>333154192
>I dont like the fact you are using logic! Im going to call you a shill!
There is more diversity in those five factions than most other TW games combined. You're ignorance isnt other peoples problem.
>>333154284
>There is more diversity in those five factions than most other TW games combined
Nice, where did you get your preview copy? Because you seem to know an awful lot about a game that isn't out yet
>>333154070
Sturdy as fuck and wont run with some of the best ranged/artillery in the game.
So, basically brick up in front of their artillery and pepper the enemy as they approach until they hit a solid wall of beards.
>>333154192
>In the case of Warhammer, we want it all. All the races. All the units . All the magic. As authentically as we can possibly make it. With the best possible TW gameplay in there too.
>When we were first planning the project, it was immediately obvious that this was a bit of a problem. All that lot was going to cost four times as much to build as the contents of the treasury. We were going to need more resources. Lots more resources.
>To get that investment from SEGA (who are always supportive in backing us), we demonstrate that we can release a great game that results in a lot of happy players. But in order to do that with Warhammer content, it has to be split up into reasonable pieces in order to do all of it at a reasonable resource cost.
>The only way we can have all the races, all the units, all the magic, all authentic and super high quality is by building it up in multiple products; and for each of them we have to give a plausible prediction of how many people will be happy to buy it, so we can justify the cost of making it.
https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/164869/total-war-warhammer-dev-blog-chaos-warriors-pre-orders-and-dlc
This whole post is actually pretty interesting.
>>333154284
I'm not the one making a claim while shirking the burden of proof.
Have you yourself played the game and able to attest to this depth each faction has or are you instead basing this opinion off of videos released by CA's marketing team and their approved youtubers?
>>333154354
I have eyes anon, and an active internet connection that allows me to view youtube
Do you just browse /v/ all the time and are too stupid to browse other websites or something? We know literally everything about the game and there is literally no doubt that there is more depth in TWW than other TW games.
>>333154383
>approved youtubers?
They've given it out to a massive number of absolute nobodies, dont try to spin that bullshit.
>>333153736
But caging is a must if you don't play elves and rely on their bullshit dodge chances.
>>333154452
Out of curiosity anon, have you preordered the game?
>>333154452
>I have eyes anon, and an active internet connection that allows me to view youtube
Ah, so you can view Sega-approved gameplay videos?
>>333154472
>But caging is a must if you don't play elves
I never had to rely solely on caging when I played both necromantic and skaven.
>>333154357
Any word on ideas for following expansion?
>Triple Elf Expansion
>Rats & Reptiles
>Kings & Counts
>>333154357
I'm down for that if it means quality.
>>333154357
I don't mind them steadily forming a larger map with more factions over several games, Dawn of War style. I'm just curious as to what order it's all going to come in. I can more or less guess which factions will get paired up.
>Bretonnia mini pack
>Wood elf & Beastmen
>Skaven & Lizardmen
>High elves & Dark elves
Tomb kings get cucked and never become a playable faction.
>>333152609
>giving CA money
they are by far the laziest developer out there. all their games are stripped of features, and they call it streamlining.
at least when you pirate their games you will not feel guilty about it.
>>333154574
Well skaven can run like hell, also they are weak so caging is pretty useless. I mainly play orcs so caging is my life
>>333154553
Pre ordering is for suckers
That being said I probably will, just so I can refund it if its shit, but if its not get the Chaos stuff.
>>333154571
>Ah, so you can view Sega-approved gameplay videos?
You want a tinfoil hat with that bullshit? There are a shitton of videos from absolute nobodies playing different versions of the game and they all look good.
And not that you would know but CA isnt doing what they did last time with Rome 2 where they lock down all their information, people have been allowed to run the game and show anything they want
Shit if you have at twitch with a few thousand viewers you could go get a copy of it right now
>>333154575
I think the last expansion was kind of confirmed to be a Chaos Expansion. I think I remember hearing that Chaos Warriors were going to be in that expansion but they "didn't want to make people wait so long for them" and supposedly hired a small team to work on the day1 dlc faction in tandem with the development of the base game.
I think it was somewhere in >>333154357 that guy's forum blog.
>>333154617
I might be wrong but from my understanding they are splitting it up into three fully priced games.
>>333154695
>from absolute nobodies
I wonder why they were given a preview copy, it sure can't be because they are on sega's payroll
>>333154692
>Well skaven can run like hell
No kidding.
It's almost like there are multiple teams other than elves that don't rely on caging tactics.
And when I played Chaos I also rarely bothered with caging - I actually focused on getting KO's and injuries to achieve board dominance. I had a friend who played Dark Elves who did the same thing.
>>333154575
>>333154617
The main factions will be in two more standalone expansions, like DoW.
The other factions will be DLC like we get for Shogun 2/Rome 2/Attila.
Although no word on which factions go where, when or what level of content they get.
Gonna be one hell of an expensive game.
>>333154818
>I wonder why they were given a preview copy, it sure can't be because they are on sega's payroll
I really hope you are just joking and dont actually believe that.
>>333154818
Mute the commentary if you think their conspiratorial lies will poison your enlightened reasoning, and just watch the gameplay footage.
>>333152609
this looks like the gayest tryhard shit ever
>>333153695
Not that guy, but how about the fact that it somehow manages to make the games look like ass if you arent playing on ultra? and if you play on ultra you are going to get like >30fps on any decently sized battle.
Can someone that plays the tabletop or knows about the lore tell me how faithful the units look? Because when High Elves come out I want to use some of these motherfuckers.
>>333154832
Kinda sucks to be outbashed by elves. Also you play the ball with chaos?
>>333154357
>Also to say, Chaos Warriors aren’t the same as Chaos Daemons; we are treating them as separate, just like the tabletop army books. Later on in the trilogy, you will be exposed to the full horrors of the Realm of Chaos.
They really are going for all the factions huh
>>333154846
What qualifies as main vs. other? Potential for cool differentiated gimmicks?
>>333153736
I see, thanks anon.
>>333152793
Who are Tomb Kings? Are they a unit in the Vampire counts army? Like a family of skeleton vampires? They sound boring they should remove them from the table top
>>333152739
it's DWARFS nigga
literally Dwarfs with incredible technology so I can set up my defensive line of guns and artillery and conduct their fire as hordes of greenskins fall upon me
>>333155039
>Also you play the ball with chaos?
Did you mean to quote someone else?
>>333155019
They're all on par with the minatures so yeah they're pretty faithful
>>333155039
Nah. Skaven have access to claw+piling on and blodgers all over the fucking place. They can bash like motherfuckers. It's the taking bashes where they kind of struggle.
>>333155149
>Who are Tomb Kings?
These guys pretty much.
>>333152739
I like their artillery
i just want a new DoW 3 with base building
>>333155149
Assuming you're not just feigning ignorance, they're basically an egyptian mummy/skeltal army.
>>333155161
I like their iron beards.
>still no game with the campaign map of a paradox game and the battles from the total war series
>>333155082
Who knows, they will likely have two teams, one working on the standalone expansions and one working on smaller DLC
We already know that Bretonnia is likely the first smaller DLC coming out, we've seen some of their units already.
They have to do; High Elves, Wood Elves, Lizardmen, Skavern, Goblins, Dark Elves, Deamons of Chaos, Beastment. Which also happens to be a perfect 4 and 4 split for future standalone expansions.
>>333155280
There are already enough wh40k games coming out.
>>333155280
Get Battlefleet Gothic, anon.
It's fucking golden.
>>333155386
>>333155082
Oh and Tomb Kings and (maybe) Ogre Kingdoms.
Chaos Warriors trailer if you haven't see it already: http://store.steampowered.com/app/404010/
>>333154605
Well each faction in this has more unique work done to them than anything they have previously been able to accomplish, and it shows. The amount of skeleton models is very different since everything isn't just humans.
No lizardmen, no buy
>>333155330
I merely jest. R.I.P in Peace Tomb Kings you were fun to play against
>>333155243
Other way round familia. Matt ward got his grubby paws on Necrons and made them awful.
>>333155465
>that shield clipping through some head
>all that hair
>>333155508
Did Sigmar give them the axe or something?
Actually, I haven't been on /tg/ since around when AoS first released. What's the attitude toward it now that the dust etc.?
>>333154575
>>333154617
It was said two major expansions are on the way, so more like:
>Bretonnia dlc
>Old World expansion - Beastmen, Wood Elves, Skaven, Tomb Kings
>New World expansion - High Elves, Dark Elves, Lizardmen, Daemons
>Ogres dlc
>[spoler]Chaos dorfs dlc[/spoiler]
>>333155620
>blunder of the century
>>333155620
If object clipping is a major issue for you, then Total War is not the franchise you're looking for.
>>333155625
It's a flop
>>333155625
Sigmar dropped most of the armies
>>333155672
Friendly reminder that CA will never make a chaos dwarfs dlc
>>333155726
Couldn't they just take a different screenshot without some clipping issues?
>333152752
>333152752
>333153597
Why would TCA give a shit about nerds who don't buy the games and just cry with every iteration? Nobody cares, fuck off.
I am still amazed by the number of retards who will buy this, and even more by those who defend it like rabid fanboys.
>>333155894
I am still amazing shitposters like post in these threads like anyone cares what you think
>>333155805
>chaos dwarves
my fucking sides, manlets are desperate
>>333155894
sorry that people want to play X game
>>333155949
Nothing to be sorry about, can't help fanboys being fanboys and eating shit up as long as it has their brand on it.
>>333155894
have you seen what gw allows to be released?
ga, dow and spaec marin being the exeption
i say the tw will be just ok
>>333155620
It really doesn't matter. All these promo shots and shit don't portray how you actually play the game aka zoomed out as much as you can so you can survey your surroundings. That's why shit like unit lip-sync and cinematic camera are such pointless addition. Shit, 3D portraits are pointless and just a requirements drain.
>>333155805
chaos dwarves are already in the game
They handle the cannons of the chaos factions.
>>333152739
fag
>>333155620
reply now
>>333155894
I'm amazed by the number of retards who care how much I enjoy myself for an extended period of time, and even more by how much they think I care about their shitty opinions.
>>333156014
What are your misgivings about this title, ardent defender of anti-hype?
>>333155852
>I want my in game screenshots to be bullshots that does not represent the game
>>333152739
Eat shit, faggit
>>333155805
I honestly think a lot of people are deceiving themselves into thinking ALL factions will make it into the game.
>>333156082
Is that a fucking joke.
Who comes up with this stupid bullshit?
>>333156151
Dwarfs. He probably thinks the Hobbit was a good movie because of this scene.
>>333156082
The fuck am I even looking at here?
>>333156065
it's not even clipping that annoys so much as their shitty animation team. and then they actually SHOW OFF said animations. I mean, it's obviously all work in progress, but goddamn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdjqQ7TIIJI
>>333155161
Dwarves refers to the fictional race. Dwarfs means more than one dwarfs (like an actual animal or person.)
>>333156082
Is that extended cut or something? I don't remember that.
>>333156082
What the hell
>>333156082
Why the fuck wouldn't the elves keep firing arrows?
>>333156126
>>333156065
The issue is that someone thought it was a good idea to release this pic instead of one in which the clipping wasn't so apparent.
>>333156082
I didn't like the whole hobbit trilogy but thats pretty dope, if somewhat ridiculous.
>>333155625
Oh boy it's a wild ride
Release Sigmar with Sigmarines > Push that it is different and cheap free rules etc > Release some 'ok' lore books > Scrap Square bases > rename every army pretty much > Axe Tomb Kings and add some units into Vampire Counts > Remove Slanesshi replace with horned rat > Units cost no points > Rules and really random and weird > Bretonnia is soon to be axed and mixed with Empire/Sigmarines
Basically it's fucked and to top it off they sell off Warhammer Fantasy license to CA not realising the interest in the table top will pick up just like Dawn of War did.
>>333156243
Looks pretty cool to me desu
>>333156338
>Basically it's fucked and to top it off they sell off Warhammer Fantasy license to CA not realising the interest in the table top will pick up just like Dawn of War did.
As GWS has said many times, there is no correlation between vidya and miniature sales
A release in one has no impact on the other
>>333156338
>Units cost no points
>>333156338
Speaking of which will Bretonnia be first DLC?
>you will never be awarded a fatted pig and two copper crowns, more wealth than a peasant could have hoped to see in a lifetime, for inventing a trebuchet
>>333156428
Which is true because minis are expensive as fuck and people who are already invested in the hobby are buying new shit. Getting someone into the hobby in this day and age is basically impossible.
>>333156265
no, Dwarfs is the name of the Warhammer Dwarves, and it's also the spelling that Tolkien later said he would have been correct in using anyway
>>333156428
GWS also said losing millions means sales are good and changing plastics then putting the price up is a sound strategy.....
>>333156441
No you are not dreaming check the website they rely on "Good sportsmanship"
>>333156616
70% of GWS consumers dont even play the tabletop, which explains so fucking much about why GWS dont give a fuck and do such mad and random changes all the time.
They dont even consider themselves a game company.
>We have a simple strategy at Games Workshop. We make the best fantasy miniatures in the world and sell them globally at a profit and we intend to do this forever.
>Simple, but every part of this statement is important.
>We make things. We are a manufacturer.
>>333156712
There is a difference between being stupid and following facts, the fact is that no vidya 40k or warhammer has ever increased miniature sales. And why would they, its two entirely different hobbies that appeal to entirely different types of people.
>>333156616
It's not impossible, it's just impossible to do with video games. It might pique people's interest, but it's not going to get people to invest in an expensive, only tangentially related hobby if they don't know anyone who is already into it.
>>333156243
I don't see problems with this.
>>333156616
>dat feel when still no Fantasy or 40k RPG
Why? Both lines have roleplaying games. In fact, each received multiple editions. In almost humorous turn of events WFRP 3E is also overpriced and will cost you $100.
>>333156783
As much as people get angry at them, they're right.
I mean fuck, I have heard people legit say "I'm just playing KoW with my GW minis now"
Like seriously, do you think GW care what rules you use?
Wait, so this game has no elves? GOTY
man, reading the GWS finacial reports is interesting as fuck
http://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/2015-16-Press-Statement.pdf
>In the period, royalties receivable from licensing increased from £0.7million to £1.5million.
Looks like all this 40k/warhammer vidya spam is paying off slowly
>>333157010
It's also dogshit,
>>333157095
What? You mean you don't like proprietary dice, cards and interpreting results? Yeah, me neither.
>>333156540
They are in the game, but as an AI faction. I don't think they are super fleshed out either as a result
>>333157010
Fantasy Flight make some nice looking board games and tabletop sets, I'll give them that much.
>>333152609
it will likely be pretty mediocre, especially on release, so waiting until the edge elves are will not mean that you miss out on much. I have a strong suspicion that I'll just end up playing a campaign or two in this and going back to attila, especially if any of the big mods drop
>>333157261
I'm just gonna wait till they've released most of the DLC and patched the game
Should have done the same for Attila
>>333157010
Dark Heresy is much better in my opinion.
>>333157157
>You mean you don't like proprietary dice
Nothing wrong with game specific dice, mate.
>>333157363
I'm just pissed off about the fact they don't seem to be making GOTY versions anymore. I'm STILL waiting for complete Rome 2 and Emperor Edition ain't it.
>>333157385
Only War is their absolute best line.
Rogue Trader and Heretic level Black Crusade are next down the list.
>>333157439
There sure is. It's making me buy new shit I won't really be using for anything else. Although, I guess that explains why it costs 100 bucks.
>>333157458
Rome 2 is still shit anyway and there's little reason to play it instead of Attila
>>333156783
Hey I ain't looking to get into a shit flinging contest over GW. I don't hate them the miniatures are fantastic and I enjoy painting them I just don't think the way they go about things is a sound strategy but eh I don't run a multimillion company.
>>333157439
There is fucking everything wrong with game specific dice
>>333156145
Chaos Dwarfs do have official models though, so out of all the minor factions, they have a chance.
Kislev is fucked however.
>>333157512
>It's making me buy new shit I won't really be using for anything else
I suppose.
I play FFG's X-wing game and that uses their own dice. I still have a shit load of fun.
>>333152609
Fuck your dark elves. I got Dwarfs and Greenskins and that's all I need.
>>333155787
They have dropped 2 completely (Tomb Kings and Bretonnia).
The others had most of their older models cut, but they still remain, having just been reorganised into new factions. Some are stupid, some are neat and sort of make sense.
>>333152739
Dwarves suck, short Scotsman who wield axes or hammers
Unoriginal as fuck, wish they'd just stay the fuck out of muh fantasy games
>>333157745
Sounds amazing to me
>>333157552
Just use normal dice then.
Lot of pointy-eared faggots ITT.
>>333157745
You forgot about TECHNOLOGY
>>333157705
Is bretonnia officially squatted?
I'm sad, though not surprised.
>>333157502
>Only War is their absolute best line.
>>333157745
I usually think the same, but Warhammer dwarfs are pretty cool and got some nice artillery.
In every other setting they can get fucked though. Always the same.
Its usually very clear to me what faction i want to play in fantasy games, but in TW:W i'm completely lost. All the factions appeals to me. Help!
>>333157894
Yes. Last week a lot of the fantasy catalogue went onto the last chance to buy section of the website. Most of it was metal and old plastic models, however the entire Bretonnia range was put up, and has now sold out.
Tomb Kings were put up a few months ago, and now all that is left to see what will be cut are the Forces of Destruction (Ogres and Orcs), which should be in the next few weeks according to the rumours. Since Orcs already have a new box set, we can safely say the models in that box set arent being cut, but what Ogres will survive is anyones guess.
>>333158045
t. CA
>>333156687
well tolkien can suck a couple of dicks.
>>333158045
Well, what did you prefer to play in Attilla?
If you liked the Huns, play the Orcs.
If you liked the Eastern Roman Empire, play the Empire.
If you liked the Western Roman Empire, play Vampires.
If you liked the Germanic Tribes, play the Dwarfs.
If you liked the on-disk DLC, play Chaos.
>>333158045Im the sameI kinda want to do Chaos the most, because those fucking chariots look glorious and the new charge animations are fantastic
>>333158325
>If you liked the Eastern Roman Empire, play the Empire.
>If you liked the Western Roman Empire, play Vampires.
What's the logic in this?
>>333158383
The Empire is a bastion of civilization beset by threats from all directions.
The Vampires are a decayed kingdom that is a twisted shadow of itself, sitting on the edge of the darkness.
The vampire one was a bit of a stretch, I'll admit.
Just fuckin play warhammer online again. The private server for it is mostly functional and has dark elves.
It's also still the best MMO and was a decade ahead of WoW as far as a ton of features go.
>>333158780
>It's also still the best MMO and was a decade ahead of WoW as far as a ton of features go.
I love how far nostalgia fags will fall
>>333158780
>the private server is mostly functional
Wow! Where can I sign up?
>orkz marching in formation
how is this not rustling everybody?
>>333158839
Loads of shit from WAR was implemented into WoW expansions after WAR was released.
If they ever add bodyblocking and defensive targetting WoW will just be a WAR clone without good PvP.
>>333152691
Dis nigga gets it. Skaven are truly the best Warhammer race.
>>333158956
WAR was an unplayable, unbalanced mess at release and it is an unplayable unbalanced mess today. It died for a reason, it was utter shit.
>>333158941
ageofreckoning
>>333158950
Cause dey ain't orkz, stoopid, dey's orcs!
Does it at least have Lizardmen?
Did they fix the Cav charges and momentum and shit?
>>333159106
Lizardmen have into space
>>333159107
Hell yes they did, you can even charge cav through units and strike units behind them now
>>333159106
no only generic races
>>333152609
>>333152941
Dark Elves and High Elves are not even in the same fucking continent where the game is taking place you faggot.
You guys might get Wood Elves though. They are in the area where the Bretonnians and Empire are located.
>>333159106
Lizards are on a different continent m8 gotta wait for standalone expansions
>>333157745
In regards to dwarves and orcs, GW did a pretty good job at least trying to be original. Big green mushroom men, that wear garbage and get bigger the more they fight instead of the LOTR or D&D kind. Dwarves are a bunch of angry, hyper serious, impotent midgets with advanced technology and a huge fucking book filled with every time anyone ever called a dwarf anywhere a fag instead of regular jolly drunken warrior Scotsmen.
>>333153625
They rely mostly on block, a skill that negates the effect of a both-down block die, with high armor value and low mobility. This makes them tanky bastards who can hold a line/cage well but who get bogged down easy. They also have a lot of Tackle, which makes dodging through their tackle zones a lot harder.
>>333159370
They are going to increase the map size twat
>>333159418
I don't even think we're going to get Lizardmen even in the other expansions because they literally have no purpose of being in the regions of where most of the expansions are going to take place. They aren't expansionist, they are isolationist fags who are simply waiting for a prophecy to happen and when the end times come. They also occupy the region of south america of the Warhammer world which is WAAAY too far away from the rest of civilization.
The only time you'll ever see them is when another retarded faction decides to step into their territories.
>>333159556
The map size twat was perfectly fine as it was. What are they thinking?
>>333159616
Money says they'll find a way to make it happen, even if it means stomping on lore to get there.
>giving a shit about Warhammer after Age of Shitmar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-MzNpMD1K8
>>333158950
Grimgore Ironhide actually taught his army how to fight in formation. Part of his lore is that he is weirdly disciplined for an Orc.
He still flies off on a rampage the first chance he gets, and does silly stuff like single handedly invading the Skavens home city, only leaving because he got bored, but his troops don't squabble amongst themselves.
>>333159628
>>333159616
If you actually paid attention to the thread
>The only way we can have all the races, all the units, all the magic, all authentic and super high quality is by building it up in multiple products; and for each of them we have to give a plausible prediction of how many people will be happy to buy it, so we can justify the cost of making it.
CA is going for all the factions, and they have already stated elsewhere that expanding the map would obviously occur for that.
Out of ALL the things to do expanding the map is the easiest.
>>333159768
It's pre end times, anon.
>>333152609
>no fucking elf at all
that game is very promising
>>333154617
>>Bretonnia mini pack
bretonnia is really different from the empire they cant just reskin empire units
can they ??
>>333157439
Game specific dice are acceptable so long as they are both cheap and mechanic that they are meant to resolve is sound. FFG WHFRP3E and Star Wars dice are overpriced (at least in my country) and their mechanical resolution system is fucking SHIT. It is shit, broken, and doesn't fucking work. I have played 3 sessions of WHFRP3E and 5 of Edge of the Empire, shit don't work, we only tried to interpret roll results in the first sessions of each game, after that it may as well have not existed.
Many of the possible roll results (10/18 for EOE) require a severe amount of mental gymnastics to describe/imagine. The Alexandrian did a really good in depth overview of the FFG Super Fun Dice Pool System and why it doesn't work at all, but I'm going to summarize with one word: Spastic.
It is possible roll to sneak into a building (success), do so quickly and without leaving a trace of your presence (advantage), while at the same time you have knocked over a row of bookcases and smashed several vases (despair).
Instead of roleplaying heroes in gritty early modern fantasy and cool science fantasy settings you roleplay members of the Police Squad! dressed like an Imperial Inquisitor and Luke Skywalker. Which is a great concept for a beer and pretzels game if the rulebook wasn't so thick, abhorrently expensive, requires extra sets of dice, and progression is somewhat reliant on card booster packs.
>>333160130
Bretonnia has less units than other factions anyway, it wont be finished by release but it will be done afterwards it looks like
>>333159828
If you were paying attention to the thread, you'd know that they're spacing this out across three feature releases, so even if they end up featuring all the factions eventually (and I suspect they will, except for the cuckos dwarfs and other errata), it's not guaranteed, and I would argue downright unlikely, that there will ever be a worldwide campaign map. I really doubt we're getting any elves but wood in this release and there's no way in hell we're getting Lizardmen.
>>333160265
>If you were paying attention to the thread, you'd know that they're spacing this out across three feature releases, so even if they end up featuring all the factions eventually (and I suspect they will, except for the cuckos dwarfs and other errata), it's not guaranteed
>They are doing X
>but X wont happen
Just stop.
>>333160320
I didn't contradict myself. You're not even paying attention.
>>333156082
>peter jackson will get away with it
>>333160405
Yeah you did, you just dont want to admit it.
CA is going to release all the factions, Lizardmen are one of the factions, Lizardmen will get released.
Get over it.
>>333160478
I never argued Lizardmen aren't getting released. I said they're not getting released in this game, which isn't a contradictory statement, because this game is the first in a trilogy.
You know, you would think GW will be more centered on promoting Age of Shitmar... but all they are doing is throwing out Old World and End Times content from Mordheim, Vermintide and Total War Warhammer.
They knew they made a big ass fucking mistake and are now trying to fool newbie faggots into buying Age of Sigmar crap. Cause you can no longer get Old World units in their shop.
>>333159768
>Ground Marines
Make this canon, please.
>>333160591
>I never argued Lizardmen aren't getting released. I said they're not getting released in this game, which isn't a contradictory statement, because this game is the first in a trilogy.
>trying to move the goalposts THIS HARD to save face
Holy shit my fucking sides
Just end yourself idiot
>>333152609
gas the elves racewar now
>>333160602
Pretty much all of the new fantasy games were licensed and revealed before AoS come out, and GWs internal communication is infamously terrible.
It is funny though, that a bunch of models I ordered come with a leaflet advertising the Total War game.
>>333160591
Are you really so retarded you assumed everyone was just talking about the the first release? And not all the future plans? Holy shit anon get some reading comprehension.
>>333159768
You know how this is not AoS?
The old world still exists and is not like the W40K bullshit that fantasy turned into where you have pocketed realities instead of a global map (planets), Chaos are still Chaos and are not a shitty faction filled with cultists, and Sigmar Marines.
>>333160884
No u. I can't even keep up with you two and your fucking idiocy.
>>333161293
Probably because you're the idiot here trying to save face after making idiotic baseless claims.
Go away, shoo.
>>333160854
Yeah.. because they didn't plan Age of Sigmar before the production of these games.
Because they proposed to drop a huge business decision to destroy the world and lore of their game in the span of only one or two years instead of planning this shit out years before.
Come on anon..
>>333161352
What claims would those be? Please tell me the claim and link to the post where I claimed them.
>>333161409
>wants to be spoonfeed his owns posts
So you're so stupid you cant even remember what you wrote? Outstanding. At this point im sure you are just replying out of shame so no more replies for you.
You were wrong, get over it.
>>333161409
How about you read your own posts and come to your own conclusion on how idiotic you are. Then fuck off. Or fuck off and dont come to that conclusion, no one actually cares about your stupid ass.
>>333161491
You don't even know who you're arguing with, do you? Who's trying to save face here?
Too late. No more posts for you either.
>Bretonnian
>Oppresses peasants
>Worships an elf
>Goes questing because an elf told them to
>Gets tricked into drinking elf piss because the holy grail doesn't exist
>Send their daughter away to become a servant of Morgana Le Fay because an Elf told them to
>Sends their magic-touched sons away to have who knows what happens to them because an Elf told them to
>Acts as a buffer state for the wood elves
>Only have peasants use ranged weapons because they have a skewed, elf crafted, honour system
Just like France, Bretonnia truly is the worst nation in its region.
>>333161368
As I said, GWs internal communication is basically non-existent. It wouldn't be a surprise if the people in charge of licensing legitimately didn't know they was scrapping Warhammer fantasy.
It is one of the 3 problems the creator of Warhammer fantasy had in an interview a few months ago. There was no internal communication, the creative team stopped being put in charge of new content, and was forced to do what the sales team wanted, and GW outright refuses to do any market research what-so-ever.
>>333161646
exept france used crossbow while bows were england speciality
>>333161646
>Sends their magic-touched sons away to have who knows what happens to them because an Elf told them to
Did we ever find out what happened to them with the end times/age of shitmar stuff? I know it was finally confirmed who the lady was, so I was hoping this was revealed as well?
>>333161760
France was renown for its knights like Bretonnia
>>333161646
Its pretty hard to stack up to the Empire.
>>333161646
>Gets tricked into drinking elf piss because the holy grail doesn't exist
The grail does actually exist, and in the lore, the Questing knights that actually got to drink from it were basically superhuman. The lady wasn't just an Elf, she was an Elf GOD. She could still do shit.
They were still played like fools though.
>>333161841
bretonnia is a mix of france and england kingdoms
athur's legacy and shit you know what i mean rite ??
>>333161760
Except Bretonnians had crossbow men as their main archery units anon instead of Archers and Bowmen.
Bretonnia is France through and through even in incompetence.
>>333162054
>2.50 for 5
Nowdays it would be $15 for 2
>>333161794
No, unfortunately. I mean, there's an army of Bretonnian magic men somewhere, unless she just killed them all.
>>333161997
>Gilles le Breton
Anon, pls, they are literally France, and the Empire is basically England.
>>333162054
>that lack of respect for honnor
are you a teethless brit ?
>>333162054
>2.50 euros for 5 units of crossbow
The days when GW weren't greedy ass fucking kikes.
>>333162273
The Empire is the HRE/Germany. England is Albion, the shit hole island off the coast of Norscar that no-one cares about.
>>333162273
>Empire is basically England
it's obviously HRE look at their cities name
>>333160265
Doesn't need to be worldwide though
Lizardmen are in Africa and are at constant war with Tomb Kings that are trying to retake old territory that the jungle expanded over, pirate Vampires who raid the coast, and uppity High Elves that claimed parts of the jungle as their territory
Lustria doesnt need to be fully in (parts will be in north america with the dark elves) because the Southlands will.
>>333162378
>look at their cities name
A lot of them seem more Germanic.
>>333162350
>>333162378
Ah your right, more like Germany.
>>333162457
yes thats what i meant
>>333162381
>lizardmen being attacked by dickheads trying to take their land
>they still bother to save the fucking planet and everyone on it from chaos moon meteors
Are Lizardmen the heroes we deserve?
>>333162645
No, nobody deserves the glorious Lizard Saviours, but they do it regardless.
>>333162381
>Land of Chill
>Nippon
>>333162381
>demons are in the south pole as well as the north
Why don't invasions ever come from there, then?
>>333162829
Lack of Land Bridge, Chaos corrupted humans, and the fact that no armies in south america or africa can be chaos corrupted . So there are invasions they just don't make it past the jungles thanks to the factions in the area being one giant middle finger to chaos
>>333162381
I still suspect that the way they intend to do this is to have different campaign theaters for each game. They could just 'zoom out' each release, but I don't see how they can retain cohesiveness while laterally expanding the scope. If they do, my mind would be blown, but it raises the question of why they decided to start out so downscaled. I'm a sucker for realistic goals, but I guess I can't completely project that onto the dev team.
>>333162645
>>333162716
what is their alignement btw ? do they eat man flesh ?
>>333162273
Gilles le Breton is Arthur though. Just that after death istead of going to Avalon he became The Green Knight and inend timeshe returned in his country's great need.
>>333162645
They're basically an entire race of autists, so yes.
>>333162825
In the end times I think orks or skaven ruined all of Nippon. Was funny. Skaven got a mad kill count in End Times. Shame this game won't be set during them since they started making it well before End Time was even thought up. They'll probably use old lore. So no return of Nagash or Skaven blowing up the moon.
>>333163170
Their moral/ethical system is completely alien, but from a human's perspective, they're probably chaotic-neutral leaning true-neutral.
>>333152609
They could have done so much more with Chaos man.....
Like start off as a tribe of Norscans and decide to eventually lead your people into the path of Chaos by turning submitting your Warchief into a Chaos champion of the ruinous powers, trekking into the trials of Chaos by doing shit in the overworld map, and eventually deciding whether to follow a particular Chaos god or become undivided. Or you can choose the other route where you can just remain a Norse tribe still under the religion of Chaos and become raiders.
Just straight out Chaos is so fucking boring.
>>333163170
They come under Forces of Order, but don't really have allies as such. They were made to fight against Chaos and to help build stuff for the Old ones.
Generally they would leave you alone if you weren't Chaos and weren't doing anything to upset them.
>>333163446
They are going for named faction leaders, so starting as some nobody doesn't fit.
>>333156082
What the fuck was hackson thinking?
>>333163565
interesting
>>333162457
>it's based on the HRE
>no, I'd say they're more Germanic
>>333163637
>I'll try spinning, thats a good trick
>>333163642
I'm just going to pretend it's a really meta joke.
>>333163642
>nippon pepe
nice
>>333163207
They're French with Arthurian mythology.
The reason is a nod to the fact that the Arhurian mythology was basically written by a frenchie.
>expansions could be age of shitmar based
>>333156218
Dwarves use sonic powered artillery to blast Arrows from the sky and scatter them so the infantry doesn't get hit with it.
Pretty fucking rad and kinda shows how crafty and how high up in the technology food chain they are up in.
>>333163871
I'd be down for an AoS expansion desu
I'm going to do what I always do when a new game comes out that I want to play.
I'm gonna wait a few months to a year, reading reviews, watching gameplay, waiting for bugs to be fixed and all the DLC to be announced.
Then I get it for 75% on Steam during a sale.
>>333163871
They really couldn't, since it uses a completely different world system. It isn't all one world anymore, now it is a bunch of different universes.
>>333163872
It isn't sonic powered, that's just spinning wire. They are basically giant version of those arrows used to kill turkeys. With the right engineering, those bolts are actually possible.
>>333156082
Fuck man, LoTR dwarves were so fucking bad ass in the books and movies.
No wonder why every... single... fucking... fantasy... game or novella decided to just copy that shit to kingdom come.
>>333162998
The lizardmen are in NotSouthAmerica, but what's in NotAfrica that keeps chaos out?
>>333163642
You don't know the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation?
>>333164481
Lizardmen live in not africa as well
>>333163872
Like a lot of things, third age dwarves are only the shadows of their former selves.
First age and second age dwarves could create wonders. The dwarf forged Dragon Helm, for example, had an enchantment that made his wearer immune to wounds and struck fears into his enemies.
First and Second Age middle earth is high fantasy as fuck.
>>333164625
They might not need to include NotSA in the expansions, then. I'm wondering what the different justifications for each faction to conquer everything else is going to be.
Don't know anything about warhammer medieval.
What's the basic story and premise?
Who's who?
>>333164481
The Tomb Kings of Khemri brook no trespass.
>>333162381
I still can't get over Nippon. I know that all those cultures are based on real life cultures, but that's just too lazy.
>>333165118
Literally fucking nothing
You would think Lizardmen would be interested in taking down the rising tide of Chaos in the wastelands due to the Lizardmen being literally just a cult of Old Wise Frogmen who are old as shit since the beginning of time and tasked to keep the balance in the world, but even then they just want to live in their peaceful isolationism and don't do shit except only in the End Times when shit gets out of hand.
I don't even know why there are people in this who are sooo fucking interested in them. Furfags need to go.
>>333165369
>pizzaro
>cortes
yes they are that lazy
>>333164364
Dwarves are fine in my opinion, it's just that everyone copied Tolkien about everything, not just the races
>>333165576
Warhammer Dwarfs have some interesting fluff around them in addition to the Tolkien-clone shit. The history of how their empire crumbled, fucking SLAYERS and their engineering sets them apart from the dwarves in LOTR.
>>333165369
There is next to no fluff about Nippon and zero units in the tabletop game from there.
But don't worry they nixed the whole world so who cares!
>>333165090
Middle Earth really was a dreary fucking setting for what ended up being the most seminal set of works for all modern fantasy. Everything from Moria to Gondor to the Elves was so suggestive of a world in the autumn of its life.
I guess it's not that surprising for an Englishman living through the first half of the 20th century though.
>>333165263
There is just too much lore man...
There is no fucking story because each faction has their own beginning and lore to them, even in different continents. There is Sigmar who liberated the people of Reikland and drove off the Orcs and Chaos, there is the story of Cathay and the Ogre problems which started the great maw, then there is the beginning of Skaven and the legend of the Horned rat...
Fuck dude... just read up on the fucking thing if you want to know about it like everyone else.
>3 games planned
>60 eurobuck for first, next will probably be the same
>180€ without DLC
I'm a good boy who don't pirate shit but still, I'm happy that steam sales do well with CA games.
>>333165687
It's impossible to deny the massive influence Tolkien had on the Warhammer universe, but it's still miles better than how hard D&D copped him.
>new total war game
Ah sweet take my mo-
>it's some shitty war hammer theme and not medieval 3
Whelp I'll just wait for the next one then
>>333165920
>Started the Great Maw
The Great Maw is literally a sentient meteor that slammed into the world and decided to claim the Ogres after the fact.
It ate straight through the world to the other side and that wasn't enough so it decided to have an entire race of 10 foot barbarians eat for it.
>>333166075
They already told everyone that they are in the works of Medieval 3 and Empire 2.
So wait your turn.
>>333164607
Are you having trouble with the English?
>>333166132
Yeah, which was called upon them from the emperor of Cathay because the Ogres were eating the people of the landscape.
The emperor called upon the meteor which devastated Ogre landscape and rift their region to separate Cathay and the Ogres.
>>333166075
Warhammer is such a shitty, uninspired setting. All they did was take the world and fuck it up a bit. It might as well be Medieval 3 desu. You have Germany, Skeleton Germany, Scandinavia, Russia and France if they have Kislev/Bretonnia DLC and Scottish Mountain Dorfs.
>>333153045
What harm is there in preordering the game?
>>333165263
The human factions are:
The Empire - Basically Medieval Germany. The Empire is split into 12 states, and ruled by an Emperor. Their "god" is the founder of the Empire himself, Sigmar, who was a bad ass Barbarian Chieftain who united all the tribes, become Bros with the Dwarfs and basically beat the shit out of Chaos and the Orcs alike, before one day disappearing.
Brettonnia - A mix of England and France. They have a lot of knights, who serve their goddess, the Lady of the Lake. Being a peasant has duties which include: Being forced to work your lords farm, being forced into your lords army, getting killed or kidnapped by Elves.
The Elves are:
High Elves - Your atypical fantasy Elves. They live on an island and think they are better than everyone else, with the exception of a few which are kinda bros. Their most notable unit are the White Lions, which are elves who carry Great Axes, wear White Lion fur and generally don't fuck about. Their entire political system is a lie and they don't even know it.
The Dark Elves - Used to be High Elves until the son of their first King decided he wanted to be King afterall when his father died, jumped into the magical fire which would prove if the person is worthy, and he got horrifically burned and now lives in constant agony. He got butthurt and started a civil war, which ended up with all the people following him fucking off to some frozen ass continent where they brood, engage in piracy and generally be edgy.
Wood Elves - Some Elves that lived in colonies on the main continent where most things happen didn't want anything to do with the civil war, as they didn't consider themselves part of the Kingdom anymore. They accidentally got involved in a war between the High Elves and the Dwarfs (which the Dark Elfs managed to secretly start), so they all run into the nearby magic forest where weird shit happens. The forest accepted them. They are murder hobos and they live with tree people.
>>333166146
If that's true then just point me to the m3 and e2 thread please
>>333165263
This guy did a lore primer on just about every faction that may have been in the game before the roster was confirmed. They're great as a crash course, especially because you can just watch the videos for factions you interested in learning about and skip what you don't. Assuming you can handle a Swede affecting a monotone British drone for close to an hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_GifGJtKhk
New engine when?
>>333153695
Completely clueless, you dont realize the potential for total war engines
>>333166062
D&D had (it should have stayed that way imho) strong Sword and Sorcery influences. They don't mix so well with Tolkien.
That's half the problem with any D&D setting, and it only got worse, as D&D went more and more creatively bankrupt and decided to inject more and more Tolkien into their works.
Protip: every time you fight against a corrupted, postulating creature in a trap infested dungeon built by a wizard, you're in Sword and Sorcery. When you play a high elf that try to keep the remnant of wonders into the world against the inexorable marches of time, you're playing Tolkien.
I like Tolkien. I like Sword and Sorcery. But don't play both at the same time please.
>>333165798
The dude was way ahead of his time.
There are people still creaming over this shit and copying his world to a T.
>>333165920
Right oh. I'll probably read more into it if this game piques my interest further.
>>333166383
>>333166434
Cheers.
>>333165263
>>333166383
The Undead factions are:
Vampire Counts - Basically Vampires who rule over some lands in the area where the humans live. They raise undead minions, bicker like a bunch of teenagers and do vampire shit. I admit I don't know much about Vampire Counts, but their lore is kinda interesting when you read more into it.
Tomb Kings - Egyptian Skeletons. Like the Wood Elves they have severe "Stay off my lawn" syndrome. Their leader is Nagash, who is the first necromancer, lord of the underworld, and ruler of all death. That actually includes the Vampire Counts to, since he created the first Vampires. Later on he merges it all into one Legion of Death, but that isn't relevant for Total War.Unless the last game in the trilogy covers the end times.
Then there races that just have the one faction:
Dwarfs - Short Scottsmen with spell like Vikings. They like Heavy armour, axes, hammer and holding grudges. They are also the most technologically advanced faction, having the best cannons, muskets and even steam punk helicopters. They live in mountains and like all reasonable men, hate elves.
Orcs and Goblins - If you are familiar with 40k Orks, you pretty much got this. Except they are less "crazy inventors" and more "huns but green".
Skaven - Basically 40k Orks, except giant backstabbing rats.
Ogres - Nomadic Ogres that hire themselves out as mercenaries for gold and food. Actually pretty reliable and trustworthy when they are hired. They also do their own thing as their own faction to, and their king is literally a hedonistic fat bastard.
Lizardmen - Giant Aztec reptile people who ride dinosaurs. They were made by the Old ones to act as servants to help build their machines and fight Chaos. They have funky Aztec style buldings and machines which are actually super complex space age weaponry mounted onto the back of dinosaurs.
Chaos: Basically Vikings that worship Chaos. Likes plate armour.
>>333166789
Name me another fantasy world or story with as much lore and detail, that even has its own detailed phonetic languages with its own philology, like LoTR?
I'm waiting.
>>333167375
Gor. More realistic women too.
>>333167271
>>333166383
>>333165263
Beastmen - Chaos infused animals which become a furrys worth nightmare.
I don't think I missed any of the main factions out, but I can't really write more than I have since there is so much to cover. The game was over 30 years old when it come crashing down, and it is a shame so many more people know about 40k, but passed over on Fantasy, because both the games rules and background lore was much better thought out than 40k through until the end. I die a little inside every time I see people say they that it is a fantasy version of 40k when it actually come first.
>>333167271
Neat, appreciate the summary.
>>333167712
But it's shit.
>>333167271
Settra is the leader of the Tomb Kings, not Nagash. Nagash was originally Nehekaran and is the one responsible for their state of undeath, but they really hate him for it and waged at least one war against him.
>Warhammer Fantasy is dead
>We get Age of Shitmar instead
Why Games Workshop, why?
>>333167965
Because Spess Mahreens sell
>>333167801
Settra was A leader. I really, really had to condense it all down to what ultimately is.
Settra is to good to be associated with those Tomb Fucks, he was a true champion.
>>333167801
Settra is fucking based.
>>333167965
Cause W40K is trending now goyim and spess mahreens! We all love W40K now we made Fantasy into W40K!
Now we are all a loving moneymak... togetherness community.
>>333168219
They weren't kidding when they wanted to turn Warhammer Fantasy into Warhammer 40K.
Shit they even forced the players to convert their armies into round bases and are only selling units with rounds bases because they want to turn fantasy into a skirmish game like Warmahordes and Warhammer 40K, instead of what it used to be where you had line regiments and ranking units.
They weren't hiding their WE WANT WARHAMMER 40K.
>TW:WH is released
>normies flock to it
>a few days later, mass refunds and endless negative reviews on steam
>"wher r the spess muhrines lel fuck this"
And that's how the best Warhammer Fantasy game died before it ever truly lived.
>>333152793
>tombcucks
>>333168045
>a leader
Nigga what. At the time of his death, Settra commanded the allegiance of every damn king in Khemri, and he immediately got them back the instant he got out of his sarcophagus. The only times wasn't the unquestioned master of the desert were the years he was -actually- dead or after Nagash blew everything up during End Times.
>>333159548
In Total War: Warhammer CA also seems to have given them Yorkshire accents. Which is pretty fitting for a bunch of angry miners suffering from horrendous decline and are still salty about stuff that happened decades ago.
A Warhammer game by CA combines two of the most cucked fanbases in videogames. It's gonna be a broken mess at launch.
So dumb. Fuck this warhammer loser shit. Give me medieval 3 please
>>333168664
The round bases look better when stuff isn't ranked up, but you can use whatever bases you want. You don't have to measure from the base anymore, so the base shape doesn't matter.
Also, you can still rank and file your dudes if you want. It you are using a weapon type that has more than 1 inch range, it can actually be beneficial to you, since all your models will be in attack range agaisnt them, but they will struggle to get all of their models in attack range against you.
>cant take over the entire map
J U S T
>>333155019
Unit models are probably the best part of the game. Everything else looks like your standard lazy CA shit.
>>333159172
Pass the sauce?
>>333166383
>Basically Medieval Germany.
Renaissance Germany. Their military is pike & shot for days, and the Steam Tank was invented by a guy called Leonardo of Miragliano.
>>333169147
Have they explained what happens if you capture a non-suitable settlement? Like a vampire count capturing an ork stronghold? We've seen in gameplay that they can siege them.
>>333169097
I have this feeling medieval 3 would probably be set in Africa.
>>333168973
You already know it.
DLCs up the fucking ass for all time favorite factions from Dark Elves, High Elves, Tomb Kings and Lizardmen, I mean after all, they promised to give us all the factions in the Warhammer world.... how kind of them; lore breaking shit because who gives a fuck about Old World bullshit; and CA's incompetence and lackluster attempt to make a game (they're only in it because of the brand name and they know for a fact this shit will sell despite how shit the game might be).
In fact, I know 100% that people will keep their game instead of returning it to make a point for the sole purpose that its a Warhammer game and in hopes that a patch will arrive to improve the mistakes or intentional game breaking shit.
>>333169283
I wonder how the Steam Tank will be handled in the game actually. Will there be a limit on how many you can build?
If there isn't, late game you could probably win everything with just Steamtanks + Cavalry
>>333152609
>Chaos sold separately as DLC
>All cities have the same layout
>Can't conquer enemy territories
>Battle AI is still dogshit
>There will be much more DLC.
>>333167375
Other than languages, Malazan world, Wheel of Time world, are strong contenders.
Though obviously neither has a "Silmarillion" type book to push it over the edge.
>>333169471
>Dark Elves
>Tomb Kings
>Lizardmen
>All time favorite factions
AHA HA HA HA HA
>>333169471
Or you can not be a retard and wait for the gold/emperor/WAAAGHH edition that's discounted -50%. Pre-ordering or getting games on launch is just asking for trouble.
>>333169513
As far as I'm aware pretty much every recent Total War game has put limits on how many top-tier units you can recruit to prevent players from rolling over everything with stacks of Old Guard and shit.
>/v/ prefers knifeears and edgelords over dwarf master-race
>>333152609
It will be hilarious when blood and gore is sold as DLC in a fucking Warhammer game.
>>333169437
most likely you can only raze or sack
>>333169097
empire 2 would be better, tired of sword and spear desu
Every fucking time people fall for the CA lies.
"Guys hehe, this is our most optimized game yet! You can run it fine on low end laptops or future-proofing gaming pcs!"
"We fixed the Ai" etc
>>333169437
I don't know what they've said, but I saw a recent gameplay demo where the Vampire Counts sieged a Karrak occupied by Orcs.
>>333169682
>Dark Elves
>Not an all time favorite faction.
AHA HA HA HA HA
>Literally one of the main reasons why people played Dark Elves in Warhammer Online.
>>333169975
>We fixed the Ai
well the AI is somewhat better in later titles, most notably attila, still bad compared to a real player of course
>>333169283
Ain't got shit on Leonard of Quirm.
>>333170058
Oh god, fucking Witch Elves.
My dick.
>>333170067
It can be incredibly nasty with spells though. In the Vampire Counts vs. Orcs & Goblins quest battle they showed one player lost an entire unit of flanking cavalry to a well-placed Curse of Da Bad Moon.
>>333170203
I don't think I've seen any hotglue on warhammer
>>333168219
>first they came for warhammer fantasy fans and i did not speak up because i was not a warhammer fantasy fan
>then they came for 40k fans
>>333155280
What
>>333155453
says, Battlefleet Gothic looks really promising and the Beta is fun
>>333154192
What depth? You mean the inability to conquer the enemies base?
>>333168170
>all these fucking heroes and villains that defied fate and inevitability to scream in the face of Chaos one last time
>all dead and gone>mfw grimgor, rip you glorious bastard
>>333152609
They're dividing the game into three stand-alone pieces that combine into one mega game with all the races when you own all three. Look it up.
Of course it means you'll likely have to wait several years for the complete edition containing all three games and all the DLC that will inevitably be added.
>>333170067
Yeah, but every time a new title comes out, they pretend that their AI is going to pose an actual challenge to humans without considerable stat buffs and every time, that claim has ranged from 'grossly exaggerated' to 'Rome II.'
And then a modder named after a Star Wars character does what they promised. It's kind of embarrassing, really.
>>333169863
>lost to a bunch of goblins
>still can't get their caves back
Warhammer dwarfs a shit.
>>333169863
Dwarves are boring as fuck.
The only reason you like them is because they're fat, cave/basement-dwelling autists just like you.
>>333155805
This is hilarious
>>333159370
Yess! Yessssss, wood elves
>>333169863
Dwarves are faggots in Fantasy
They are isolationist impotent bittermen who were stupid enough to get robbed blind by an Ogre.
I wouldn't be surprised if the technology they got was stumbled upon diving deep into the ground.
>>333170821
Even if Age of Sigmar is shit, at least the End Times were the end the Warhammer Fantasy world deserved.
>>333171661
Was it? I heard a lot of players were pretty unhappy with it.
>>333170058
Pls stop this my daughter..
>>333152609
>no edgy faggots
SOLD!
>>333171765
The idea of it, not the shitty shoehorning GW did to make sure the world actually ended. If I recall correctly if they followed the rules the world should still be going.
>>333171242
Or rather, kind of a idealized form. They CAN be fat, but tend towards "big boned", etc. It's like that Fat Ninja Cartman insisted on being in that one episode of South Park. Dwarves are "Big Boned". So yeah. Kind of. But not really. They are stodgy, but in a more muscular, manly sort of way. I personally like Orcs and Goblins because they are like demented muppets (funny hurr!) and also act as an outlet or expression of the "losing your shit" aspect of my autism/personality in general. I can't DO that. You get in trouble for that. But Muh Orcs? They can be violent idiots and it's fine.
>>333171539
Well, some of them were dumb enough. Actually I can't legitimately say they are or were ever legitimately particularly intelligent.
But that still doesn't mean they don't have a certain raw boned appeal to them.
>>333152609
someone explain the trilogy concept to me
are those two other games addons basically that make the map bigger and add more races?
>>333172140
Sigvald is there.
>>333169452
>no castles
>no steel
>no artillerie
>no cavalry
stoneage total war !
>>333172395
Chief Bobongo! You have a great decision to make... should you arm your mighty warriors with sticks, long sticks, or rocks? Think hard upon this O Mighty Chief!
>>333155805
Am I the only one who likes the Forge World's design for Chaos Dwarves instead of the silly old design of Dwarves with overgrown Fez hats?
I mean they are so bad ass that they've tamed fucking Ogres and made them into slaves.
>>333172395
but think of the [unit] diversity!
>>333152609
>he wants edgefags
At least you've come out.
>>333172504
>mud cookies baker: 5000 monkey teeth
SHIIIIIIIIIIIET
>>333157019
What they're actually saying is 'don't get mad at us that that big-ass dude you just bought got phased out/was made obsolete. We're a miniatures company, so we don't really care if you get value for money toward using it in our game, since maintaining the game is only a secondary function of our company and business model.'
Which is bullshit if you ask me, but really only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to GW's strange practices.
>>333172660
At least they had shields, that makes them more advanced than Japs
>>333172534
>am I the only one who prefers [forge world design] over [GW design]?
Gee anon, I dunno.
>>333172395
>blacks only
>final destination
I wonder if they'll have black orcs in the game.
>>333168719
All of my this
Settra is the first and last king of Khemri as he united all the city states of Not!Egypt under his iron fist and made a pact with the God's of Khemri that blessed the Sub-Continent and let all the kings live for hundreds of years in return for worship.
>>333165263
Covering tomb kings cuz the other guy screwed it up
Nehekhara was the first kingdom of man that formed back when the empire was a bunch of savages adjacent to dwarves. Settra ruled their greatest city and turned them from random city states to an expansionist empire. Nagash was the guy that invented Necromancy by making up for the weak magic in Nehekhara with human sacrifice (it's all divine magic there). This lead to a rebellion led by Nagash and escape to the Badlands. While Nagash was away his second command Arkhan was stolen away by the rulers of Lahmia who wanted the secrets of Nagash's elixir of immortality which after a lot of experimentation and an assassination attempt led to the first vampires. After the vamps were driven out Nagash engaged on his great plan which involved cursing the Nile at its source and killing everyone and the land itself then raising everything including all the old kings and the armies they were buried with as a massive necromantic army. That worked but Nagash was destroyed by a magic sword before he could bind them to his will and so every king for about 5000 years was now proclaiming themselves the rightful rulers of their cities and for most cities this meant constant war until Settras tomb was unsealed and he proceeded to conquer all of Nehekhara all over again.
2 people are notable for not bein reconquered
Arkhan is one of the top 3 dark wizards (not including Nagash) on the planet and has a cold war with Settra
Khalida who reconquered Lybaras and is the apostle of the God of vengeance after she was killed by her cousin the first vampire and fought off the transformation of turning her blood into venom and commiting suicide.
>>333173037
LANDMASSAH!
>>333173212
They're in the game as a unit and a general bodyguard I believe.
Does Slaneesh allow their subjects to have sex for reproduction and have beautiful little demonlings or is it to much of a cunt?
>>333173617
Only if it involves rape.
>>333173852
Doesn't really seem practical.
>>333173617
The babies will be tentacle monsters with a giant phallus at birth who will then rape the mother in front of you.
>>333174061
Slaanesh isn't the chaos god of reason and pragmatism.
>>333173212
Grimgor's in there, so it's bound to happen.
>>333172534
I really love the FW Chaos Dwarf stuff.
The K'daai are the dorfiest daemons ever.
>>333174167
>>333174291
What's the point of mega-harems if you can't even have hundreds of bastards in a semi-nuclear family? Slaneesh a shit. Give me a better chaos god lads.
>>333175141
Tzeentch is way better.
>>333171765
It started well. Nagash reviving and going on this crusade to reunite all Undead once again as one and under his rule to be the hero we needed, gain enough power to challenge the Chaos Gods and save the world (even if only to make it into a realm of the Undead and perfect order to oppose chaos) was one of the most badass things Fantasy has done. The second book with the Glotkin brothers was pretty cool. Then around book 3 things started to fall apart. At least, fans are divided. What they did to the Elves is kind of something a lot of people hate. Then Skaven is also a love/hate kind of thing. Them blowing up the moon is either hilariously over the top or stupid and ridiculous.
>>333157010
Download the old RPG of WHF. I never gonna forget my bad of a medic, a slayer, a squire and the goddamn ratcacher
>no skaven
>no lizardmen
>mfwstill gonna buy it though probably
>>333176185
This is just the Old World, expansions will be New World.
>>333175479
>What they did to the Elves is kind of something a lot of people hate.
Everybody that cared about Elves hate what they did to the Elves. A lot of people didn't care, so a lot of people are meh, but what they did to the Elves is a treason for people who care.Malekith, the all time edgy RAPE-DESTROY leader of the dark elves was right all along. He is the rightful leader of all the elves, divinely appointed and all. He then proceeds to unit the dark (rape, maim, enslave, burn) elves and the high elves, even thought the dark and high elves are in a war that spanned thousand of years and most high elves would commit suicide better than to be taken by a dark elf. Nobody bats an eyelash.
>>333176535
Wasn't reality itself ending?
Seems like the kind of thing that makes you set aside your grudges, even for a day.
>>333172534
that giant looks like it has RUNIC MECHANICAL BALLS
>>333176784
Setting aside grudges? Yes, no problem. Why not. Even though there is a lot of people that would argue that a grudge that define the entire history of a race for so long would not be discarded like that. It's like Nazis and Jews suddenly deciding to ally. Possible in the face of annihilation? Yes. Likely? Mayyybe. Or not.
But Malekithtaking over the high elf kingdom, disbanding the high elves armies, disbanding the very elite bodyguard of the phoenix king that are basically sworn to kill him at sight?It's like the Jews suddenly deciding Hitler is a prophet of their religion and they should follow his words to the death.
>>333176535
>GW decided that for Age of Shitmar all the elves should come together and combine into one faction.
>No more Dark Elves, no more High Elves, no more Wood Elves
>Some decided this was a good idea at the conference table.
>>333177437
But like you said, Malekith was right all along.
If Yahweh said Hitler was the chosen one then the Jews better get in line.
>>333177639
If a big pointy hands made of pure light was suddenly seen from everywhere around the world and words heard by everyone saying that Hitler is the prophet of Yahweh, how many Jews would believe it? How many Jews would prefer to believe it is the devil that is speaking?
>>333154357
Imagine if your campaign map is making all of the races clash with 20 unit armies in the middle.
That would be so much fun.
>>333155726
>If object clipping is a major issue for you, then any game is not what you're looking for.
let's be honest here
>>333177890
>how many Jews would believe it?
I don't know man you tell me - did Asuryan not make it clear?
>>333156082
What I loved about the hobbit was when the Dwarves decided to form a shield wall phalanx to hold their ground against the orcs
Then the elves jumped over it and the dwarves broke formation, truly tactical geniuses
Or when the dwarves were falling back to the mountain to bottle neck the orcs in the entrance, then they all formed a shield wall again! Then thorin and company joined in and they all spread out and ran into the horde of orcs
>>333180208
I don't know if I'm remembering it properly, but didn't the Dwarves' shields actually interlock into one solid wall? What's the point of doing that in a melee engagement?
>>333152609
We're never getting Tomb Kings, are we?
FUCKGWFUCKGWFUCKGW
>>333163170
They're good, they despise chaos and actually were totally cool with the elves until the dark elves started being dicks, as long as you aint chaos and you don't come marching into their lands or taking their shit, they'll leave you be
>>333180532
>hurr why is faction not in the Old World not in a game set in the Old World???
Tombcucks I swear.
>>333180839
They used to keep human slaves, but that was in third edition or something. I guess that got retconned.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Bride_of_Slaanesh
>part 4 never ever.
>>333166383
I always thought the dark elves where far too edgy, it's just silly. also kek'd at murder hobos
>>333156082
THAT WAS NOT IN THE MOVIE I SAW!
I always buy new TW games, if only to see how horrific they are on launch day.
They usually become pretty playable after a while, but there is no greater fun than watching them burn that first day.
>>333183558
le KEK'd*
>>333184805
That's pretty cash.
Are people mad about End Times happening alltogether or about how they happened?
>start off with 4 races
Fair enough.
>heroes and spells and shit for all factions
Awesome.
>humans, dwarves, orcs and elves
For fuck sake why pick such fucking boring-ass races?
This game would have been 100 times better at launch had they started us of with Skaven, Lizardmen, Dark Elves and Chaos.
Why go with the 4 most generic fantasy races ever when the lore has so many more exotic creatures to offer up?
>>333186886
but there are no elves, its vampires, humans, dwarves orcs
>>333187174
I meant "humans, dwarves, orcs and undead".
Fuck, kinda' took the sting out of my own argument with that one.
But you get my point. This could have been an infinitely more interesting combination of races.
>>333187379
I think they wanted to play it safe with the first title
>>333187569Let's face it, I'm gonna' be buying the DLC anyway...LIZARDS WHEN?!
>>333186462
It's about what came after the end.
>>333187801
Probably in the last game along with the high and dark elves. Have to save the best for last to keep people invested throughout the downtime between releases and ain't nobody sticking around for ogres and egyptian skellies.
>>333186886
>This game would have been 100 times better at launch had they started us of with Skaven, Lizardmen, Dark Elves and Chaos.
I love it when people who have absolutely no idea how important geography is to Total War games say shit like this. A game with only that combination would be a total clusterfuck and misses out on about 80% of what makes Warhammer Warhammer.
>>333189947
Elaborate. I'm a retard.
>>333190410
Those four factions you mentioned have their homeland on four different continents.
>>333188604
I don't think Lizards are a very hyped up race though, are they? The elffags I can totally get, but the Lizard Master Race is a niche thing I'd imagine.
>>333190620
Oh, fuck, really? I am a mongoloid beyond words then. Thanks for filling me in!
>>333190620
I thought Skaven lived underground though.
>>333190739
Meanwhile the six confirmed factions in the first game all live in the same place, the 'heart' of the Warhammer world.
>>333186462
Mad because Light Drizzle of chaos happened and chaos got bodied in the lore tournaments. Then they took out lore tournaments and went chaoswinslol here have space marines.
>>333190739
The factions we are getting are close to each other.
>>333190620
Does the Warhammer universe seriously have a place called "Nippon"?
Do the samurai-japs live there?
>>333190861
Which still doesn't solve the problem of being on a different continent to the Dark Elves and Lizardmen.
>>333190994
>Do the samurai-japs live there?
The rat-ninjas come from there.
>>333191013
I'm saying that, geographically, Skaven would not be out of place in the Old World.
>>333190994
>Does the Warhammer universe seriously have a place called "Nippon"?
You ain't seen nothing yet, newfriend.
>>333190645
You're right, but geographically, they are the most likely candidate to fit in a game with the elves.
>>333191013
The Skaven have tunnels leading everywhere. They are a giant faction.
>>333191167
>The Hung
>>333191043
Well, the rat-ninjas go to Nippon to get trained in the art of being ninjas by the locals. Just like this ogre did!
>>333191208
I am 95% certain that they do not have tunnels stretching below thousands of miles of ocean. They do have ships you know.
>>333191013
To be fair, clan pestilens were setting up in Lustria for the End Times, so there's no problem with them being there. And they can be anywhere in the world. Clan Eshin are supposedly based near Cathay/Nippon that we never hear anything about. Their under empire expands beyond their capital, including to other continents.
>>333191354
>They do have ships you know.
Submarines.
>>333191291
lmao
>>333191208
>literally vermin
wew
>>333152739
This. Dwarves are the shittiest fantasy race by far.
>>333191524
The kraken submarine belonged to the chaos dwarf, though.
The skaven are in the giant fish thing on the bottom right.
>>333191524
That 'ship' can't submerge without horribly flooding itself though. The top is wide open with no apparent way to seal it.
Also given how wildly varied Skaven clans are, the seagoing ones probably operate every class of ship under the sun along with some that aren't. I'm sure some of Clan Skyre's engineers would be willing to build a formidable battleship made of brass and steel, armed with the best warpstone weaponry and with only a slight chance of exploding if someone forks out enough warptokens.
>>333172534
I always wanted to build a Chaos Dwarf army before GW decided to cuck everything up with AoS.
>>333192128
>>333191803
Thanquol used a Skaven submarine to stalk Gotrek and Felix across the sea.
>>333190873
Have GW ever properly honoured the results of these tournaments? All I ever hear about them is how the game results don't turn out grimdark enough so they get retconned.
>>333192362
>thanquol
I don't know who that is.
But the Skabrus is not a submarine and cannot submerge. That's the Black Kraken's job.
>>333192362
And to use that as the basis of your apparent argument that Skaven don't use surface ships at all is laughable.
>>333192650
My argument is they also have access to submarines.
>>333190945
I honestly doubt Skaven will be in the first game. Map doesnt have the undercities or a proper tunnel system.
>>333192618
>talking about Skaven
>doesn't know who Thanquol is
Literally how? He's only the best Skaven character in the entire of Warhammer.
>>333192903
An interview with PCgamer heavily implied that they'll be a core race of the sequel, along with somebody saying that it was a shame they couldn't be included in the first game due to workload or something like that.
>>333193312
>talking about Skaven
>thinks the skabrus is a submarine
>>333152609
>tfw Dark Elves are the best hope for the Emperor
Different era but Dark Elves are just great.
>>333156082
Out Skilled!
>>333155243
>mfw I get call tomb kings in space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJiUfnIzbVM
>>333193452
Neither I nor the guy I was replying to said anything about the Skabrus being a submarine. We both said it wasn't.
>>333193452
We are at least three anons.
>>333152752
>fuck Warscape
Are you faggots ever going to learn that warscape isn't the game engine? Warscape is a seperate module purely relegated for graphics, the game engine is TW3.
>>333153045
>Chaos is preorder only
Warriors of Chaos* are free for preorder, but will cost extra after. Daemons of Chaos* will not be in this game, and will come in one of the other two releases.
This shit gets posted every thread yet you thick fucks still regurgitate the same old bullshit.
>>333194815
Shhh, don't expose M2fags to reason! They think that matched combat animations affect game balance!Which is part of the reason why Warhammer won't feature them, thanks a bunch you gibbering nostalgiafag retards.
>>333154963
I'm only playing on the high preset and it doesn't look like ass. In fact it's nearly indistinguishable from ultra.
>you are going to get like >30fps
Greater than 30fps? That doesn't sound so bad for a massive scale tactics game. Or do you mean meme arrow 30fps?
>>333154742
Yes but their plan is to let you combine all three maps into one single grand campaign.
>>333152957
that edit would be perfect if she held a bunch of money in her hand
>>333155082
Main factions are ones that have an army book, there are 12 (skaven don't have an 8e book so don't get your hopes up cucks), so 4 factions per game.
>>333197649
>Main factions are ones that have an army book
Right
>there are 12
15 actually, but CA said there would be 16.
>skaven don't have an 8e book
Neither does Bretonnia, yet they somehow made it into the game.
>>333198097
I only see 12 on both Wiki and Lexicanum, what are the other three?
>Neither does Bretonnia, yet they somehow made it into the game.
It isn't even confirmed if they're a playable faction yet, regardless though I was referring to anon's "main" factions.
>>333197649
>>333198097
They already said it'll be all the armies playable in 8th edition so everyone that got squatted before 8th they have no obligation to make playable
aka Araby, Kislev, anything involving halflings, the eastern style goblins that kind of stuff.
>>333198672
Skaven, Brets and Beastmen. I don't know where you got the idea that only factions with 8e army books are the main ones, but it's wrong.
>It isn't even confirmed if they're a playable faction yet
Yeah I'm sure they put all the effort into making the faction, only to never capitalize on it and flesh them out in dlc.
>every unit gets free ladders in sieges
Every single game they have to fuck something major up.
>>333198893
>anything involving halflings
I had no idea that this setting had halflings.
>>333198893
fug
Kislev is the best faction ;_;
>>333198893
No, since the day they announced the game, they said they planned for all 15 factions.
>>333198990
>fucked something up
They unfucked sieges. The AI couldn't deal with having to use proper siege weapons. And S2 sieges were fun as fuck even with magic wall climbing abilities - this is exactly the same.
>>333199114
Warhammer has everything imaginable and some stuff extra.
>>333199114
Honestly they are better off forgotten, there's a town of them in the empire
>>333199195
That's exactly what I said, all factions playable in 8th aka 15 main factions guaranteed in the game. Araby and Kislev aren't any of those 15
>>333197310
How will that work? I'm a Warhammer Fantasy fan but never really got into the total war games so I have no idea what they are about really, but do they plan on implementing naval units and combat? Because that would be cool. Or will you just teleport over continents on the world map?
>>333199364
My bad. I misread.
>>333198990
The pocket ladders are a necessity now that defensive towers have unlimited range and the attackers have to be more aggressive. It's not like there isn't a major debuff for using the ladders on top of your units being totally vulnerable while marching to the wall, unlike those protected inside a tower.
>>333199472
Naval units are already in, but they are glorified transports as naval battles are auto-resolve only. They haven't revealed any plans to add naval combat, likely due to how extremely unpopular a feature they are, but if they were to add them, my bet is that it would be in the Ulthuan/New World expansion.
>>333199472
>How will that work?
Map gets bigger as you buy/combine more expansions. There won't be naval combat, throughout TW history it is always the least played feature.
>>333199329
Unlike feudal Japan Warhammer Fatnasy actually has massive badass sieges and real walls.
Maybe CA should learn how to properly program rather than cutting features and making the game a streamlined mess so that their shithouse ai can handle it.
It's the armies walking on water because they can't into naval ai all over again.
>>333199637
This is bullshit. More than half of the time when defending in sieges the attacker has a sizeable advantage in the number of units. Now with free ladders walls may as well not exist as every single unit can climb over them and then flank the defenders while the debuffs are completely meaningless as they won't be attacking anything at the top, just climbing over.
On a side note units carrying ladders were always vulnerable and did poorly in combat because only a handful were on the wall at a time fighting an entire unit of defenders.
>>333200096
>Maybe CA should learn how to properly program
That's never going to happen.
>>333190645
Lizards were quite popular, who doesn't love aztec reptiles riding dinosaurs with laser gunsand fat pepes
>>333200096
First off the point where we get a dynamic siege on par with that image is still a good decade or more away
Second every man getting a ladder is kind of super important as high level sieges are gonna have cannons and magic raining fire on oncoming siege engines so a dwarf or empire army can likely kill 2 of the 3 siege towers before they reach the wall just with concentrated fire.
>>333200417
RIP in pieces
>>333198918
>Skaven, Brets and Beastmen.
None of those have 8e books, they all use 7/6e.
>>333200593
Yeah, no shit. Maybe you should read the following sentence.
>>333200491
You can still buy all of them.
They were not squatted unlike 3/4 of WHFB armies.
>>333200663
Jesus dude all this sperging over my obvious jab at Skaven players.
>>333195246
>defending day 0 DLC
0.02$ have been deposited in your account
>>333201029
It wasn't bait you autist, it was a joke, there's a difference.
>>333201173
Then I'm still waiting for the punchline.
>>333201335
Well then I guess you'll be waiting here for a while.
will i be able to buy chaos warriors later on?
>>333180208
stocky spears everywhere withing to stab anything seen over the shield walls
>>333200096
>This is bullshit. More than half of the time when defending in sieges the attacker has a sizeable advantage in the number of units. Now with free ladders walls may as well not exist as every single unit can climb over them and then flank the defenders while the debuffs are completely meaningless as they won't be attacking anything at the top, just climbing over.
They've also made the auto-generated garrisons much larger and given them better units. A fully upgraded settlement is going to have basically a full army stack spawn in it when it gets attacked, and all settlements only have one or two walls now. By all accounts taking settlements in Warhammer is going to be a nasty business now.
>>333201763
yes, on release day
>>333153695
I can answer this question with a page full of complaints but I'll exemplify it with 3 words: pulling through units.
>>333204078
okay then i will wait until i get my excess financial aid next semester to buy it
>>333204485
If it follows the CA trend the game won't be worth playing until six to twelve months after release anyway
>>333199329
>unfuck sieges by given units to bypass defenses without siege weapons and turning siege fights into regular battles inside a city
Whenever I think CA players can't possibly lower their standards anymore to be satisfied with CA's filth, I get proven wrong.
>>333204623
>if it follows the CA trend
>a trend that spans 1 game
>>333204809
CA is like Bethesda. Every game they release is a buggy unoptimised mess.
>>333204809
Shogun 2 wasn't working for months. Empire still isn't working. Fuck off apologist.
>>333204876
>every game
Sure if you just ignore Rome 1, Napoopan, Shogun 2, and Attila, your model fits perfectly.
>>333204660
It's like you've never played a Total War game before. The walls have never been worth defending. They are trying to change it so that walls are actually worth defending.
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