>RPG
>who can grind the most for the most broken items
>fighting games
>who can abuse the highest tier character
>hearthstone (and other shit like it)
>who can spend the most money
>RTS
>who can abuse the most broken units
What games rely purely on your skill to win? Not hours grinding or specific pieces of equipment to win, just games that need you to practice in order to get better at.
Chess and Checkers.
If you're going to bitch about games solely because of balancing issues anything else will be shot down.
Now fuck off.
>>333122679
Divekick mirror match.
>>333122679
Fighting games
Character decision is as much a choice as any other.
>>333123024
>sagat vs zangief
>sagat can only lose if hes retarded
>>333122849
Chess is a solved game
>>333122679
that guy has a mad camel toe
>>333123693
>Picking Zangief
>Wonder why you lost
You could've chosen any character and you picked a shit one. That's on you. May as well get mad you lost for chosing to shoryuken over and over or just spamming lp.
>>333124097
That's the point. Fighting games are all about tiers, not skill. You could be a far better player and still get destroyed by someone else who is using an objectively better character.
>>333122679
probablygit gud
seriously though you sound like a whiny bitch. Video games are fucking easy to be decent at, and RTS/FPS/Fighting games take tons of fucking practice to be good at. You just dont know it because youre ignorant.
>>333124307
No one held a gun to your head and forced you to play a shit character. It was your skill based decision to move the cursor there on the character select screen. And you got fukken rekt for it.
>>333124663
>choosing the overpowered characters is a skill
>>333124051
Chess is game theory. There are only a limited amount of moves available in any given situation. Therefore, it is relatively trivial (using computers) to compute every possible move and the result of such a move. In fact, this has been a part of chess for probably the past 6 decades or so.
>>333122679
play better balanced games, no game is really perfect
>>333124841
What if you chose Sagat and your opponent chose Sagat? Or you both chose Zangief?
Now it's about skill. Shut the fuck up.
>>333124841
Now you're getting it
If you don't use the best options available to you, then how can you call yourself skillful?
>>333122679
Rocket league. Prove me wrong
>>333122849
chess isnt balanced.
>>333122679
>Warframe is all of it mashed together.
Jesus.
>>333125053
You're really not getting it. I've seen people miss the point before but you're on a whole new level of clueless.
>>333122679
>>fighting games
>>who can abuse the highest tier character
i know this is bait but come the fuck on, every character is available to use for every player, no one's at an advantage for choosing the "best" character because you can do the same
>>333122679
Mario Party 1,2 and 3.
>>333122679
whats an old school shooter
whats a souls game
whats homm
But generally, very few to none games rely PURELY on skill if you play to beat them and see ending credits or whatever. Just change your mindset - play to challenge your casul self.
>beat bloodborne being lvl <30
>beat doom 1-2 with only shotgun and fists on nightmare
>>333125062
facepalming has kind of gone by the wayside these days but your post deserves it.
>>333125109
This desu senpai
>>333125547
>Doesn't have an actual argument
>I'll just make a snide comment
>>333122679
rock paper scissors. you must know the mind of your opponent in and out, then choose rock.
>>333124307
that's not what tiers mean, if anything they're pretty irrelevant for low-level play and if you wanted to try chart out a low-level play tier list it'd look a lot different for most games. tiers just means that if two players of maximum and equal skill level played each other, the characters' tiers would show who'd win.
if you played hockey you'd wanna have the best skates you can get, because if the opposing team is equally skilled but has better equipment you'd probably lose. by using highest tier characters or the best equipment in a sport you can eliminate that factor and then it's about skill again
>>333124858
Still requires some skill if you're not playing with a computer aid.
>>333125759
>claims that choosing the most broken character is a skill
>accuses others of having no argument
God almighty, you're serious, aren't you?
There is absolutely nothing that prevented you from picking a good character to be on equal footing. See>>333125449
You're just a shitter looking for excuses when he makes a bad decision and gets fucked in the ass for it.
>>333125449
So why have more than one character if ultimately one is going to be the most viable?
>>333126493
lots of reasons. tournament participators (people to whom tiers are relevant) are a small fraction of the playerbase. if you're playing for fun, it doesn't matter. actually if you're playing for fun, it's more fun to have a variety of characters/playstyles to mess around with.
but honestly it's just that balancing is truly impossible with larger casts. this is especially true since the top level players aren't the ones designing the game. you never know what people are going to do with it, with melee being a pretty well-known example
>>333126493
Because there is meant to be more than one viable and devs need to aim to make them all viable even if they fail. That and variety.
>>333126694
>but honestly it's just that balancing is truly impossible with larger casts
>Because there is meant to be more than one viable and devs need to aim to make them all viable even if they fail
Which is why it all ultimately boils down to tier whoring. Thanks for clearing that up, gents.
