Alright /v/, you've got less than 6 months, how would you fix FFXV's combat?
>>333094068
Make it turn based
>>333094068
First off
Fix the framerate
>>333094331
You want to change the entire game from real time to turn based in under 6 months?
>>333094395
this
and zoom the camera back an inch and just make it like kh combat instead of this weird hybrid
>>333094483
What is he looking at?
>>333094483
You asked how to fix. Is the game you want to play here "someone suggests something to fix it and I say theres no time for that"?
>>333094395
1.This
2.Make it so that when you're locked on to an enemy the spell will always hit the enemy directly, it's stupid that the spell has a fixed distance even when you're locked on
3.Give Noctis a ledge climb animation, bunny hopping up platform looks and feels bad
>>333094602
Best girl, who has a superior chest to Cidney.
>>333094068
I'd make it more CUHRAYZEEE
>>333094068
No hold the button shit. Make it play like a regular action game. Fix the terrible input delay, I don't care if the animations have to play out second long transitions, cut that shit out entirely. The defense button now dodges or does Bat Within-style last-moment parry. MP is used to cancel out of animations in normal attack strings so dodging out of attacks doesn't feel clunky but isn't free. Change the warp to a different input, add a heavy attack button. Change magic entirely, no grenades, make it as simple as possible: it should be as seamless as Ninja Gaiden. And for fuck's sake, add some hitstop or something. Teleporting around at 15 fps leaving fairy sparkles everywhere doesn't convey any kind of impact.
You can't please everyone, therefore, make an expansive options menu with different gameplay aspects interchangeable, such as automatic context moves vs manual input moves, auto weapon switching vs manual switching, also, make magic use mp instead items, maybe make it aoe around a certain target enemy, not one you move, make it harder to parry enemies not one button
>>333095018
Go back to DMC
>>333095018
Morem like MEYMEEEY xD
DmC 3 combat was such shit.
>>333095051
>make magic use mp instead items
This please, I hated magic being consumables in FF8 and I don't like it here either.
The story, artstyle and characters are so unappealing that even if the combat was good I still wouldn't play it.
>>333095419
Or if they can't manage to balance the MP usage
Just make a third bar that has multiple uses like the MP bar in KH1 that refills one pip every few 20 or 30 seconds
>>333094829
>>333094395
Also these
Would pretty much fix everything
>>333094331
>turn based combat
>2016
>>333095689
forgot image
>>333094068
>less than 6 months
Well that's not enough time to fundamentally change the combat, so they should just focus on optimization so it at least feels more responsive and make a few minor tweaks like >>333094829 for example.
>>333094068
Remove Tabata, bring back Nomura.
Saw some frog webms in another thread. Is the frog spell back?
>>333097564
I think in one of the ATRs they said Noctis can get turned into a frog.
>>333094331
THREAD!!!!!!!!!
>>333094483
yes
>>333094068
Nothing, the combat is great, add more weapons.
>>333095890
What no more turn based combat in 2016, well fuck gaming then.
>>333094068
i'd get rid of the 4 fuccbois
>>333097790
Was that the snake thing from the anime in the background?
>>333098490
Go play Bravely Default
FF hasn't been turn based since FF3
>>333098490
someone post those sicks DMC combat on the FFXV demo
>>333094068
Needs to be less Kingdom Hearts and more Final Fantasy 7 Crisis Core.
Then again, the remake is coming so I gues it's why I'm not too bothered.
Improve the dodge cancelling a bit, add a double jump, and let us grab onto ledges.
Put a move list in the menu, too.
>>333095419
I think Noct will get MP-consuming spells eventually.
>>333099059
The best menus of all time.
>tfw P5 will come out in Japan first and everyone will be spoiled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV-ANQvMkXg
looks alright
>>333099241
just don't read the spoilers man
>>333094068
>Fire Tabata
>Rehire Nomura
>Keep most of Noctis' stuff the same, but require button presses
>Add back in Prompto's TPS elements
That's it. My problem isn't with the combat changes because it looks about what I'd hoped it would be, if a bit slow. My problem is the hack job done on the story. Tabata took what was looking to be something solidly Western-focused and re-Japanified it. Ridley-with-a-sword became Tabata's Yamato Nadeshiko Waifu, Highwind's been cut out of the story, Regis went from a caring father with a "business"/country to run to a homeless guy who's betting it on a son that looks like a Naruto character.
Also what the fuck happened to Noctis Orgy? Did he get replaced by Cor or what?
>>333099498
It's not that easy. I'll have to completely avoid the internet and probably some of my friends.
>>333099496
Yeah it looks alright in a YT video where you can't see the framerate drops that bad
And yes, the combat looks good, but plays mediocre
>>333094395
>>333094829
>>333095689
All these things would fix A LOT of the problems
Air Combat at its best, DMC wishes it was this game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdOANsxjZ78
>>333095030
>Change magic entirely, no grenades, make it as simple as possible
This, it's fucking magic. You look a the guy and you focus and he combusts, that's how it's supposed to work. I thought it was going to be real-time FFT as they showed it in the 2013 gameplay trailer, where your level and the level of the spell determined how long you had to wait before the spell actually worked. Grenades is the worst possible thing.
>>333099606
I managed fine with every spoilers until now just by hiding threads as soon as I saw them, even for that shitty star wars movie I held out for a month until I actually went to see it.
Tell your friends to shut up
>>333099830
>DMC wishes it was this game.
While I don't think people give this combat system enough credit let's not go crazy here man.
>>333099830
Tabata himself said the combat is easy to learn but hard to Master, guess every one who tried the demo and called the combat shit the first time around was doing it all wrong.
>>333099830
Fuck off with the air combat already
It will have it's uses in the game against flying enemies and enmies with multiple targets, but the shield and normal combos will also have their uses
Everyon acts like air combos and air dashs that waste MP are the only way it's meant to be played
>>333098889
Woah, nice catch.
>All these bitching about the combat system didn't play Duscae
Funny
You can't get away with pressing one button on that
>>333099946
>You look a the guy and you focus and he combusts
Funny thing is he kinda does that here, why can't we just do that manually?
>>333099532
Oh, wait, one more thing: enough of this Monster Hunter nonsense, if you hit an enemy, I want to see it react. Most of the time, at least. This isn't an MMO, there's no latency issues that precludes there being a hit animation.
>>333100249
Is that just a straight up QTE?
>>333099830
>runs out of MP because of the air dodges every few seconds
>video skips everytime he runs out of MP
Yeah, now try that shit in the Duscae Area against 10 enemies without a warp point in sight
>>333100421
Pretty much.
>>333099830
easy floaty air combat is the antithesis of DMC
>>333100476
>pre-emptively dropped
Looks boring. Flashy, but boring.
>>333100421
Yeah and the prompt lasts for like 3 seconds, it's almost impossible to miss it
>>333094068
>Alright /v/, you've got less than 6 months, how would you fix FFXV's combat?
You can't.
You just brace for the financial hit. Sell high and start liquidating assets Square-Enix. FFXV may be the last huge Final Fantasy you make.
>>333100421
Yes
you have to quickly press certain buttons during any events such as anytime and whenever
>>333100169
pressing more than 1 button doesn't make it any better
this game vs a good game is like the difference between god of war and devil may cry
>>333094068
>/v/
>fixing anything
Jej
>>333100567
>>333100684
Gross.
>>333100421
There's also QTEs for attacks, but I'm not really sure what they do. Not sure what triggers them and nothing special seemed to happen when I got them.
>>333100856
At the very least you can just avoid the attack and fight him normally without any QTEs, but the fact it's in there means there'll probably be many more in the full game.
>>333100984
when you tap circle with the broadsword that sometimes happens, you can then hold the circle button when it appears for a strong charge attack
>>333100984
>There's also QTEs for attacks
Do you mean when the attack prompt shows up sometimes? That's because you can do different attacks if you pause after an attack and then attack again.
>>333100051
I like the combat, but it is not hard to master.
>>333094331
This or implement the KH system.
>fix framerate downgrade the graphics if necesary
>fix the camera
You have an alright game.
>>333101561
I'm sure it is to Tabata and his old hands.
>>333094483
why does he look so asian? square doesn't put gooks in their games
>>333099830
Fuck you.
>>333094331
>before demo
>whines about no turnbased, too much like an aRPG
>after demo
>whines about turnbased/autobattle elements
you fucks don't know what you want, THIS is why we get more Lightning waifu
>>333101561
There are more weapons to come, we only really got to mess around with 2. It already feels good and had more to come.
>>333094713
I'm sure he asked how to fix it in 6 months, and a complete engine rewrite isnt gonna happen
>>333101743
Guess they wanted to try something new.
>>333101828
wew
>>333101837
Lightning shit is better than FFVX.
>>333101859
>2
4
>>333099830
>he is holding triangle and circle the whole video
>>333101859
I agree anon, it will be fun, but it's never going to have a high skill ceiling.
>>333102284
Honestly though, I've never looked to FF games to provide a high skill ceiling so that's fine by me.
>>333094395
>>333094829
>>333095689
These
And bring the floar after the combo finsiher back it helps reorientatin with having to wasteMP by doing dodges
Have the attack button attack whatever is in the direction you are facing. Not zoom over to the closest enemy. Holding down the button doesn't do anything except maybe a charge attack. Evasion distance based on whether you tap or hold down evade button. No hold down dodge button for god mode. Make a skill for that or something. Tapping the attack button when you have a spell equipped makes it either hit the nearest enemy or whatever you are locked on to and not automatically go into aiming mode unless you hold down the button. Get rid of warp points and make it so you can aim your warps like a hookshot when you aren't locked on. That's about all I got.
>>333102095
Nope Triangle, Circle, D pad for weapon switching, R1 to target and untarget, and using the Left stick to change the directions I aim my warp. Try again tho tard.
>>333102841
ANd yet it's useless against the enemy from the demo since you run out of MP after 5 seconds
>>333102841
the whole running out of mp from attacks is just so stupid.
How is it fun to hide behind a rock or on ledge for 15 seconds then go back in to the fight
Same thing for the duscae demo with the second behemot fight, I just hid behind that rock and went in again
>>333103104
I mean most of the enemies in DMC are static punching bags with no retaliation as well other than bosses, and all the combo vids I see are similar to what you saw in my video so I mean...
>>333098889
>>333100054
Little late but the monster in the webm is a naga, it was in earlier trailers, the snake thing in the anime looks like Marilith, from the first final fantasy.
>>333103104
>>333103421
Armor and Accessories are confirmed in, they will probably remedy the MP problem with regen and MP vamp on attack.
>>333103451
I know and all the webms are pretty useless tooI made most of thembut after that too many people just started acting like it's the only way it's meant to be played for some reason, some guy just asked to show him some stuff and i did it
Everyone just ignores the shiled for example which i think is the greatest addition to the in a long time
The aircombos will work great against flying enemies though
>>333099830
>five seconds of air combat drains the MP bar
>video either cuts to different segment or guy hangs from a light pole for ten seconds
Whoa, man. This air combat is really action packed.
I would add meters.
Dodge meter, mana meter, hair meter, friendly meter, altitude meter, combo meter, time of day meter.
>>333098927
FFX would like to have a word with you
>>333099830
I know this is showing air combat but the warping to replenish mp is a bad look of the combat as a whole.
Players need to learn to incorporate the broadsword into their gameplay and make use of it's a ability to replenish 40 mp a hit.
I've seen people stagger the IG and continue to spam air doge and shuriken when that's the opportune time to use the broadsword.
>>333095051
>make magic use mp instead items
Y'know when you put it like that, it becomes kind of baffling how they decided to implement a MP gauge, put magic in the combat, but then tie the magic to its own separate resource. It's so counter-intuitive, literally "WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?" tier.
>>333104223
Like I said before
Armor and Accessories are confirmed in, they will probably remedy the MP problem with regen and MP vamp on attack.
They probably impose the MP problem early on in the game so we aren't gods from the get go wait till the end game. This is long RPG after all..
>>333104223
That's the problem, they try to make it as flashy as possible, without thinking about the usefulness
In the actuall game you will most likely barely use air combos excpept for huge enemies or airborne enemies
It just wouldn't work in the Duscae demo for example against 10 fast enemies and no warp points in sight
People totally forget about the shield or normal combos or special attacks
>>333104481
they probably tried but it would drain the mp too quickly
I don't know what they thought tying normal attacks to MP and staggering your character when they hit 0.
Call it stamina or something but not MP
>>333104512
>That's the problem, they try to make it as flashy as possible, without thinking about the usefulness
This is the main problem I've been having with people defending this shitty demo.
>why change weapons frantically and spam everything all at once for no reason?
>WHO CARES ITS FUN YOU FAGGOT
I mean, I guess if you're braindead and like to just look at flashy hold down button to win bullshit then I guess it's fine, but I actually would like some depth to the game. I want to play a video game not watch an anime.
>>333105359
It would be nice to have a little more depth and the actual game will probably offer more depth
But people should stop acting like the game has more depth than it actually does and whenever someone points out legit flaws the just throw out insults or
>haven't found the shuriken and shield
>>333094068
Take KH2's combat.
Add teleporting.
Done. That's all you had to do SE.
>>333105596
The thing is that the 2013 trailer was mostly KH2 is slow and with teleports
But Tabata can't into good combat systems
1. Fix the framerate
2. Make it turn-based
3. Combat should have its own dedicated screen instead of that garbage, MMO-tier "you can see the enemies and fight them in a big, empty world where you are in REAL TIME!" shit.
>>333094068
Make it faster and flow better.
>>333100856
Yeah it's kinda shitty but it only shows up for that one attack so you can just avoid it normally.
>>333098490Dragon Quest 11
Combat is fine, just like Type 0's
Pretty much all they have to do is fix the framerate to a steady 30.
>>333105808
Just play any of the other FF games
FFXV and FF7R would look stupid with photorealistic graphics, but the models still just jump forawrd, attack and jump back
>>333105948
type 0 was bad though
>>333106046
No ur bad
Just speed it up.
Especially dodges. Dodging is useless if it takes five minutes.
What are the controls for this games? is it the same layout as Kingdom Hearts?
>>333106226
Triangle to warp
O to attack
X to jump
Square to Dodge/Roll
R1 to Target
D pad to switch weapons
So far its like Japanese KH layout.
>>333106226
FF Type-0
>>333105596
>>333105723
I like the weapon switching and directional inputs though.
>>333106226
Circle attack
Square dodge
X jump
Triangle warp
dpad switch weapons
When you're watching it, it looks close to KH, but it plays differently and not that great
Which it doesn't really have to since it's just a FF game
It's just weird that the same team made KH2 years ago
I don't want them to copy KH2, but i don't get how it takes the same team multiple years and multiple fan feedbacks to reach this state
>>333105989
I know ffx get a ton of love but it looked really silly. X-2 did it well though
>>333106551
I know, but i still wouldn't want to exchange the combat system
X-2s combat system is really underrated though way better than X and XIII maybe one of the best ATB systems out there
>>333106551
but it's a video game, who cares if it looks real
there's a reason fps games don't instakill you when you take damage - because it's not fun
and then, ff12 also solved the problem of making a turn-based game appear real-time
>>333105948
unless you like fog, thats not gonna happen
>>333094068
Platinum demo was rushed tech demo made in 2 months by a small team and it is not even part of the actual game
>Developed in two months by a small team, Platinum
http://www.ffdream.com/news-15871.html
>>333106937
Just beg enough for the next few years and FF16 will be ATB again
I like it how it is. So would not change anything.
I like it the way it is
>>333107020
Then why release it, if it makes your game potentially lood bad?
>>333101981
They're both shit
>>333107145
get a last wave of feedback
>>333094895
>she will be censored
So any word on changing costumes? That all black boyband look ain't doing much for me.
>>333107824
Yes, bad feedback obviously
>>333107145
Majority of people liked it though.
>>333108113
nothing, I wouldn't get my hopes up
>>333108262
Not nothing, it's confirmed. There's even an alternate costume as a pre-order bonus.
>>333108328
really? what does it look like?
>>333101981
no, and fuck you anon, die in a fire. ff lives or dies with this.
>>333108410
Black tux
>>333108410
a black tuxedo :^)
but gives the hopes there will be different costumes.
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>>333108410
Can't really make it out.
>>333108638
Classic Trash bag incoming hype.
>>333108410
>>333094068
>get rid of the hold the button thing
>fix the input lag
>make the animations more distinct instead of just blending together
>make spells have cooldowns or another MP gauge instead of being consumables
>make magic automatically lock onto enemies or objects
>make spells trigger immediately if you're locked onto something
>increase the dodge roll and aerial warping distance
>make the Armiger not look like a total clusterfuck that doesn't feel like you're actually doing anything aside from mashing/holding O
>make the effects of normal attacks more visible and add hitstop
>make the Airstep Sword's aerial warp part of normal warping instead of a specific ability of certain weapons
>get rid of the WARP STRIKE text
>make the block stance not slow Noctis down
>
>>333108617
>>333108638
>>333108773
>>333108853
good, let's hope there's some that is not DLC
>>333095030
ok, the grenade thing does make sense. i also feel that holding buttons is no way to make a game feel like an action based combat. if they are gonna make this like kh, then copy some of the inuts as well
>>333094068
I don't know about "fixing" it. I'd just make it more stable for starters, and then maybe to add an extra level of complexity add a timing-based strike mechanic kind of like the first Witcher game had - like maybe you'd do a slightly lower base damage amount for just holding the attack button for auto-attack, but if you tap the button to time your strikes perfectly you get a slight (noticeable, but not OP) buff to damage for being good.
>>333108002
I doubt it.
>>333108773
>deluxe edition
>includes the game
Why does every special version do this? Isn't it kinda given?
>>333108901
>let's hope square doesn't decide to nickel and dime the customer with petty DLC
>>333109019
yeah, I know
>>333109012
Some actually don't
The Hitman Limited Edition literally didn't include the gme
>>333109019
this whole game is already worth more than a 65$ price tag
>>333107020
link saved for future use
You people shit on this game and yet you're all going to buy it in the end. That's the funny part.
>>333109249
Don't worry anon. I'm sure Square feels the same, and will find some excuse to hike the price up.
>>333109098
And if the game does horribly, they'll likely give away the DLC for free in the hope that someone buys the game, ala Mass Effect 3.
>>333109249
lol
>>333109294
"You people?!"
>>333109294
I also hate women yet I want to fuck them, what's your point?
>>333109012
I don't think Halo 5's did.
>>333109294
It's constructive criticism, people whouldn't be posting how to 'fix' it if they didn't care for the game in the first place.
Souls combat with Bam Ham cinematic counters and cuhrayzee cutscenes.
There; you got an insta-GOTY 2016 and /v/'s favorite videogame ever.
>>333109792
Implying anyone cares what neo /v/ thinks.
neo /v/ knows as much about video games as /g/ knows about technology.
>>333110783
this, neo /v/ doesn't even speak Japanese, what could they know about videogames
>>333106046
>>333106143
damn shots fired
My only major gripe is that it's probably balanced around holding down circle as opposed to doing the inputs manually.
>>333108187
All feedback is good feedback
>>333108113
Yes you can get Regis's suit for Noctis
