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Which one?
http://strawpoll.me/7267499
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>>333040717
I don't know. The one that makes me immune of invasion so I can have comfy game alone without nasty invaders.
>>333040818
>implying
>>333040818
This or something for Co-Op.
But Im still not happy about the return of SL based online play. SM tiers were much better, wide and finally not forcing me to stay on extremely low level in order to play with others.
>>333040818
>people that have played the earlier release will be twinking day one of the Western release
>eight covenants
There's always been 9 and I've seen dragon form screens.
>>333040717
watch dogesremember when doge was not a normalfag meme?
>>333040818
>that feel when no ps plus sub so i don't have to worry about it at all and can solo everything like i have always done in souls games
>>333041015
aldritch faithful for them sweet reverse ganks
>>333041015
you personally are the reason DS2 was shit
Aldrich faithful, defending blob waifu.
>>333041015
>SM tiers were much better
/grape/ master race.
>>333041082
dragon isnt tied to a covenant
>>333041072
you cant twink anymore, there's item upgrade levels matchmaking now
>>333041240
Do they apply to co op or just invasions?
>>333041082
Anyone mind posting them? Curious as hell.
Mound makers, they look likeFUN
just tell me the rewards so I know which ones to grind and which to avoid
>>333040818
You don't understand how delicious ganking someone who obviously needed npc or summon help for a boss is. Killing them while they send me hate messages literally gets my dick hard.
Cya in 9 days buddy.
>>333041240
>there's item upgrade levels matchmaking now
Is this true? That's interesting. What about casters, though? Surely you could just find the most powerful spells/miracles/pyromancies and use them, they'll be more effective than the early stuff, surely.
>>333041381
>tfw no xbox live anymore
>no one will ever go to the trouble of adding you in steam to send you hatemail
What is Aldrich faithful and Watchdogs?
So what limitations are there on co-op in the Dark Souls games?
I know you can only co-op with someone within ten soul levels plus or minus 10% of you if you or they haven't beaten the boss in that area, but the subsequent games I haven't yet looked into.
By what I've heard, there's a covenant focused on being the co-op host in DS3. Is that right? If so, is that level/boss limitation still in place?
Picture ofundeadman with unfeasibly large sword is unrelated.
>>333041426
I heard magic is really shit now.
>>333041426
spells are broken for now, as in they do zero damage even with the most optimal gear and stats
>>333041426
You can and pretty much have to upgrade casting weapons if you want them to stay viable.
>>333041015
>extremely low
See, your reasoning is why 2 was so terrible if you didnt limit yourself. past a certain bracket it becomes homogeneous, all builds become the same tanky ass bursty piece of shit.
Tiers make it so you have to count fucking consumables for pvping, it was ridiculous.
If you want to be an overleveled baby, you play with other overleveled babies.
>>333041450
Make sure you have comments enable on your profile and people will sometimes drop a angry comment .
>>333041152
>>333041209
Oh yeah?
In first DaS I was forced to stay on SL 20 or 50 for two summoning locations, as everything else was basically dead, waiting 15-30 minutes for each summon.
In DaS 2 I was getting summoned all the time as I was progressing the game, no matter the SM, at every single boss, while being able to boost stats as I wanted to, finally tasting how it feels like to reach softcap.
In other words, I had fun with DaS2, while in first it was basically "hurr, durr, next stop is SL120 and pure PvP because fuck you". And I HATE PvP.
And thanks to Agape, I could basically ignore problems with bloodstains.
>>333041490
forest covenant ripoffs
Good luck trying to invade me. I'm behind offline mode and will only go online when I'm invading myself.
>>333041605
Both of them?
>>333041521
>>333041535
Good. Spellcasters are no fun. Hopefully hexes are equally terrible. I don't mind miracles and most pyromancies, but if they have quick cast times on top of good effective range, they're dumb.
>>333041536
Alright, it sounds more appealing, and as it should be.
>>333041494
1 had shit coop due to bad netcode, but made it so it matched you with people on the same soul level.
2 was much easier to coop with one specific friend due to the downgrading tiers using soapstone and namering, but soul memory made it so any souls obtained fucked you over if you went past a marker, even if you didn't use them.
>>333041659
yes, different areas but they work the same
>>333040717
Someone please give me a rundown of every covenant. The wiki is written by literal retards and gives no information besides how to join them and that you can invade people.
>>333041715
There are no hexes, just dark versions of the other magic classes like in Dark Souls 1.
>>333041715
miracles are broken too, only pyromancies dont have scaling isues
also only shitters ever complained about magic, they were never good especially for pvp
>>333041597
Using your retarded logic, you lose build path options due to one less ring slot when doing shit, as well as the added hassle of having to mess with it.
120 was never a PVP meta, nor did you ever need to limit yourself for summons. There was always options for summons unless you went way out of the levels bracket, the lack of summons was because 1 had the shittiest network. You just are making yourself sound like a bumbling idiot who was bad at the game.
but >namefag so guess it was pretty obvious.
>>333041767
Thank fuck.
>>333041801
>also only shitters ever complained about magic, they were never good especially for pvp
Bullshit. Dark pyro was pretty damn effective, and early DaS2 sorceries and hexes were great for PvP. They were the E Z Mode class, and I know that from having my own. If you learned to aim it manually, your only threat were those using magic defense, but then you still had a melee weapon, and melee tactics.
I don't know what recent DaS2 magic is like, heard it got nerfed hard though.
>>333041597
That's because DaS1 connected players by pooling clients via IP, and the maximum number of IP's it could connect to simultaneously was 20. Since it would prioritize people based on where you are in-game when it tries to connect, if you leave that zone, suddenly everyone you're connected to is somewhere else, and you have no connections in your current area until the pool starts refreshing. Dark Souls 2 would connect in a more standard manner by making use of the Steam server and picking people based on their physical location, it did not cap you to a maximum of 20 connections at once.
It is not a matter of co-op on DaS2 being better, it's a matter of it actually using a modern, sensible matchmaking system rather than some retarded system straight out of 1996.
>>333041746
Subros - Same old, but you can invade people for sunlight medals too and get a sweet looking red-gold aura
Way of Blue - Same as Dark Souls 2, put on the patch to get help from Blue Sentinels or Blades of the Darkmoon
Blue Sentinels - Same as Dark Souls 2, put on to get summoned to help Way of Blue
Blades of the Darkmoon - Also get summoned to help Way of Blue but with lower priority, basically only get summoned if no Blue Sentinel is available. Also get to invade sinners like in Dark Souls 1.
Rosaria's Fingers - Run of the mill dickwraiths, no real reason to join them since you can invade just as well without being in the covenant. Covenant leader lets you respec
Mound-Makers - Kind of a wildcard covenant. You put down you summon sign, and when you get summoned, you spawn at invasion locations, but both the host and enemies are hostile to you. Objective is to get someone killed, doesn't matter if it's the host, co-op phantom or invader. Using the red eye orb works just like regular invasions.
Watchdogs of Farron and Aldrich Faithful - Like Forest Hunters in Dark Souls 1, for two separate locations.
>>333041801
>>333042041
Also, WotG spam was a serious fucking annoyance in DaS PvP.
>>333041801
Problem in DaS2 was you got the best melee damage with dark infused weapons along with having OP spells that the opponent has to dodge constantly not to die. If it was either or it would be fine.
>>333042101
are permanent red eye and blue eye orbs back?
>>333042117
I think offensive or buff miracles are neat, but healing in PvP was obnoxious, at the very least WOTG was limited to 3, so you could just spam roll 1 guy.
>>333042101
>You put down you summon sign, and when you get summoned
That's not their main thing. And no, Red eye orb invasions with purples isn't exactly like regular invasions. As you said you win by killing anyone.
>>333042101
Damn, that sounds boring as shit.
>>333042202
I'd like to know this too.
>>333042101
>sunbros invade
What?
Doesn't that go completely against the point of the covenant?
Blue Sentinels.
Some of you are all right, don't invade come April 12
>>333042202
It's only red orb this time, but yes.
There are no duplicate multiplayer items, what covenant you're in modifies how the red eye orb and white soapstone works.
>>333042202
No clue on blue since blue is for little babies, but red can be gotten very early in the hub.
WHAT IS THE POINT OF BOTH THE BLUE SENTINELS AND DARKMOONS IN ONE GAME IT'S THE SAME FUCKING COVENANT
>>333042282
That's an elegant solution
>>333042274
The covenant leader is the god of war, so not really. Solaire and his meme friends just made it the hugs and friendship covenant in the past.
>>333042016
Whole internet was screaming "120 PVP META, 20 BURG MAX SL, 50SL FOR ANAL LONDO", reposting "official" SL ranges over and over.
With my first character I went over with that SL and never, EVER got summoned later, at any boss, no matter what SL I had. While I could get summoned at "official" ranges and only at those two locations.
Thats what I experienced during those 150 hours total. Not much compared to some dedicated to the game but enough to form such opinions, based on own experiences.
What now? Are you going to convince me that I didnt experienced what I did? That "but it werks for me"?
>>333042274
You serve the war god m8. Also other invaders get sunlight medals when you kill the host. So it's co-op invasions.
>>333042274
No, the warriors of sunlight in 1 were founded by a God of War who would come to the aid of those who served with his cause.
In 3 you can still be a sunbro, but if you invade as a sunbro a whole bunch, you get a sick golden red aura letting them know how jolly you are going to kill them.
>>333042339
Darkmoons actually get rewards and it's way late game.
>>333042363
Okay. So do you invade as a yellow phantom? And do you only invade sinners?
>>333042412
Jolly co-penetration then.
>>333042339
Darkmoon is more hunting sinners, but CAN be summoned to help if the others aren't available. Also you get them a bit later due to story reasons, so they gave blue early for shitters.
>>333042227
I love miracles, even though I rarely use them. Getting hit by a well timed sunlight spear just impressed me. They don't have the same "sit back and let the spells do the work" approach that sorceries and hexes do.
I'm in the middle with pyromancy, because although some of it is balanced well, there's stuff that just gives the player a crutch to rely on.
Is the Darkmoon Blade enchant back? It was my favorite shit in DaS1.
I want to go bandit daggers with this if I can at all.
>>333040717
>Has four of the best covenants (on a conceptual level) from previous games
Fuck yes, I hope DMB actually works this time. I'm assuming Fingers are Wraiths and Watchdogs are Forest/Bell defenders? What are Mounds and Faithfuls about?
Darkmoon or bust.
>>333042448
You're still a red phantom, but you have a golden shimmer as well. Looks pretty great, don't have a screenshot of it right now though. You invade anyone, not just sinners.
>>333040717
This one.
What do the pussies have to do to get a blue helper? If it's wearing a ring then it won't work again.
>>333042367
The reason you got summoned in 2 so much was because no one fucking knew how horrid soul memory would make things, no one limited themselves yet. The self imposed limitations were suggested later when you could only find full flipping ninja havelmonsters.
You are bitching about impositions that were made by a PVP community even though you don't like PVP. Stop being a stupid shit.
>>333042574
Moundmakers is the duel covenant, Faithfuls are a second Forest covenant for a different area.
>>333041381
Edgy
>starting to feel the hype
>don't want to encourage overpricing and season pass
What do
>>333042560
It's in, and looks fancier than ever.
>>333042615
Nothing, just put the covenant patch on.
You don't "join" covenants anymore. You just collect the covenant items that have a separate slot and put on whichever one you want at any time.
>>333042665
>thinking your 1 vote matters.
>>333042559
I would argue that pyromancy was much more "let the spells do the work" than sorcery, most sorcery were more timing based. Hexes are definitely cheap tier, AOE or cheap burst.
>>333040717
What is the difference between Blades of the Darkmoon and Blue Sentinels?
And do any of the covenants relate to the Witches of Izalith?
>>333042676
>It's in, and looks fancier than ever.
Fuck yeah. Now I just hope those bandit daggers can actually be enchanted.
>>333042615
You don't have to wear the ring to get Blue Sentinel help in 2.
>>333042665
Don't buy the season pass on release, literally no reason to.
Wait for at least the first dlc to come out and see if it's good before you bight.
Season passes are going to be a thing at this point no matter what you do.
>>333042676
That's a little less involved, but it's a lot better from a gameplay perspective. Almost no one wanted to waste a ring slot on that shit in DS2.
Watchdogs, I'll roll a SL25Silver knightbuild to spoil faggots aboutAnor Londo making a come back
>>333042665
Overpricing?, I totally understand the season pass hesitance, but it's actually 8% cheaper if you own previous games. I won't buy a season pass just because I can't stand playing Souls DLC in parts, if flows much better all at once.
>>333040717
who would ever choose Blue Sentinels when they can do the same job as the Darkmoons, but ALSO have the option to invade sinners? Seems pretty pointless
>>333042651
Oh, are Mounds the grapes/purple invaders? It kinda sucks that there's no 9th covenant, even if it were a PvE covenant, but I guess 8 quality, useful, and well designed covies are better than having a 9th less important one.
>>333042762
Blueberries defend invaded people, Darkmoons invade invaders and rarely defend invaded people.
>>333042638
>no one limited themselves yet
I skipped "normal" version, played SotFS instead, so everyone already had documented all SM tiers and ranges.
I might like or dislike something but it wont change the fact that those limits were actually in effect. Ignoring them wouldnt make them magically disappear.
>>333042785
So what was the point of the ring?
>>333040967
wait, guard breaks count as parries now?
>>333042748
Don't you fucking get me started with this shit, anon.
>>333042896
Increases HP slightly.
>>333042896
It gave you a HP bonus.
>>333042892
That's so dumb, they should have just merged the three.
>>333042925
It's a critical hit not a parry.
I thought it was like that in the other dark souls games too
>tfw bought from key site and anxious i might not get the key before release
>>333042965
You're an idiot.
Way of Blue is the antithesis to Blue Sentinels.
People who don't like PvP join Way of Blue so someone else fights invaders for them, while Blue Sentinels join their covenant because they want more PvP.
Merging them makes absolutely no fucking sense.
>>333042964
>>333042958
How come I never once got summoned to help someone?
Rosaria is darkwraith? Gotta keep the wraiths going
So how does mound-makers work?
Does the host have to let you invade them or some shit by summoning you or what?
>>333042486
How early can you become a blue sentinel?
>>333043075
Because no one loves you
>>333043075
People didn't stay in the covenant for long.
It's somewhat remedied in 3 because you can just switch covenants on the fly, so there's nothing stopping you from just slapping Way of Blue on whenever you're not doing other covenant stuff.
>>333043075
Because nobody ever got invaded in DaS2.
Whatever is the new Covenant of Champions.
>>333043135
I could be thinking of the wrong one, but you get it in the same room the ice dancer was for the demo, an old lady gives it to you.
>>333040717
Depends, what are the watchdogs, fingers and faithfuls?
>>333042925
Guard breaks set you up for a riposte, yes
There's a ring that increases stamina damage you eat away when someone blocks you, and another that increases the effect of your kick
>>333040967
What weapon is that? That damage is crazy good
>>333043109
they can invade, and when they invade as purples, the mobs are hostile to them, and they can choose to fight the mobs for you, or fight you, or both.
they can lay down signs, and those signs will be purple, and you then can volunteer for this same experience
>>333042560
it's back.
>>333040717
When I preorder that shit on the PSN store, can I predownload it?
>>333043209
Never saw the point in that thing, the ring was a neat gimmick, but why make a covenent to challenge you when the game should do it without?
>>333043242
oh cool. will this be the long-awaited counter against these invincible estoc turtles that I've been hearing horror stories about?
>>333042282
does that mean you show up as a red phantom when you invade as darkmoon? that kinda sucks
>>333043248
>they can invade, and when they invade as purples, the mobs are hostile to them
Mobs aren't hostile to grape invaders, that's just for summons. Rest is correct though.
>>333043313
because it disables the limited respawns that DaS2 enemies have, so it's a virtual requirement for farming gear
>>333043313
Because there's only so much challenge I can get from playing it naked without a weapon.
>>333040717
What do each covenant do though?
>>333043068
Okay, then they should have merged Blue Sentinels and Blades of Darkmoon, faggot. But either way, you could join the covenant without actively invading.
>Sunbros are now gloriously gaudy even if they invade
Are the other covenants even trying?
>>333043316
Parrying works about the same in PvP as it does in PvE now, its no longer a guessing game
That alone should be the end of turtles
>>333043369
No. Being in the sentinels turns you blue when you use the red eye orb.
>>333043369
No, blue with a red shimmer.
>>333043413
see
>>333042101
>>333040717
I'm not a PvP fanatic, but I enjoy some of it, so Blue Sentinels.
Also, nothing gives me greater pleasure than killing darkwraiths or bloodbitches who invade and expect anyone to do "fair duels" and bow before matches.
>>333042750
I can't think of any pyromancy that is on the same level as homing crystal soulmass, maybe Forbidden Sun. Fire Tempest is real easy to avoid, but there's some bullshit in both pyro and sorc.
>>333043369
You get auras to denote which covenant you are faithful to when invading. It's normal blue when you invade using the darkmoon summons, but red orb makes you red with blue aura.
>>333043413
It's like religion or countries. Thy are all irrelevant but lets you fight over pointless stuff.
So, you pick the coolest looking / sounding.
>>333043419
Why?
Dorkmoons are just emergency backup when no sentinels are available. Their main purpose is still hunting sinners.
>>333040717
I just started playing Dark Souls for the first time. Is it worth playing Scholars of the First Sin after the first one, or should I jump into the third? I know 2 got a lot of flak.
>>333043469
Fire Tempest was handy as a "ha ha you just cornered yourself you idiot, now take 1000 damage" nuke. also handy against iron flesh shitters
>>333042486
Darkmoon don't hunt sinners anymore. They're literally Way of the Blue renamed.
>>333043413
You can be the power rangers now.
>>333043469
I had pleb experiences getting fucked by random chaos firestorms, also EXPLOSIVE FIREMINES.
Guys, is going all luck viable?
>2016
>being a str or dex fag
>>333043595
Wrong
>>333043248
so why would a host summon a moundmaker via a summon sign?
cant help you kill the boss and will probably kill you
>>333043595
No you still hunt sinners, think of them as main job being sinner hunting, but if there aren't enough sentinels, it'll pull a darkmoon.
>>333043528
Because they both literally do the same thing. Why are you even arguing this?
>>333042101
Mound-makers sound like a bunch of nutters
>>333043559
sotfs changes mostly enemy and some item placements
the dlc packaged with it is great and i still think it's a very solid game even despite some of the flaws like world cohesion not being as good and agility but i would skip it right now since theres only 9 days until das 3
>>333043615
Kind of but not really.
It's decent for bleed damage weapons with hollow infusions, but the damage you get from scaling isn't very good, and there's only one weapon that has D luck scaling by default that can't be infused.
>>333041597
>In first DaS I was forced to stay on SL 20 or 50 for two summoning locations, as everything else was basically dead, waiting 15-30 minutes for each summon.
I played DaS months ago with my SL35 dickwraith in Blighttown and got constant invasions in upper Blighttown, in lower Blighttown most of them had a white phantom in their game too.
Just download the PvPWatchdog retard
>>333043638
you really wouldn't. nobody's ever going to do this more than once, unless they're trying to make epic montages and shit.
the only times you're ever going to get summoned as a Grape are to be food for Gank Squads, since they know that you can't run away from them and use the NPCs to your advantage
>>333040717
>Blue Sentinels
>Blades of the Darkmoon
Are these the same covenant?
>>333040717
What is the damn difference between way of Blue, blue sentinel, and darkmoon?
>>333043615
Luck boosts Bleed and Poison scaling, and there is an infusion that makes weapon damage scale with Luck. Someone will find a way.
>>333043559
2 is worse than 1 but still worth a play
the DLC in 2 is pretty good which is included in SotFS
games hella long though
>>333043749
>>333043751
Read the thread, no.
>>333043692
Blue Sentinels don't invade sinners.
>>333041240
>you cant twink anymore, there's item upgrade levels matchmaking now
Wow, and I didn't think they could break matchmaking anymore.
>>333040717
Will there be soul memory in dark souls III?
>>333043559
SOTFS is a good game, but it is a bad souls game. I would suggest playing it, you can buy a cheaper key on some of those sites. it'll last you until 3 comes.
>>333043751
>>333043749
holy hell read the thread stupids
>Way of Blue
summon friendly blues to help scare away the invaders
>Blue Sentinels
are auto-summoned to the aid of Bluebabbies in need
>Darkmoons
invade sinners. can also be summoned to help bluebabbies as an absolute last resort if there are no Blue Sentinels available.
>>333043817
It's not that strict. The only thing it really prevents is people with +10 weapons invading people with unupgraded weapons.
>>333043570
Yeah, it definitely had its uses, but I always considered it balanced because it was easy to dodge if they used it in the wrong situation.
>>333043606
Lingering flame or flame swathe? They both caught a lot of people for me, very mindless. I enjoyed the control elements of them though. Along with mists and the healing pyro, it felt good to control an area and push people to positions I wanted them.
>>333043840
No, same Invasions as Dark Souls 1, except you can only invade people with an equal or better upgraded weapon than you.
>>333042101
So Darkmoon blades are the guys who want to invade the hardcore PvP guys?
>>333043806
They do, just only while they're invading others. But regardless, both are intended to punish invaders, so why are they separate? Why not give Darkmoon the ability to passively or actively invade invaders?
>>333043875
So 2 useless factions? Gg from
Who here is going to have one character that stays low level and low weapon upgrades to shit on beginners?
Don't need damage if you have skill.
>>333043493
When invading with the red orb as a blade, are you still invading sinners?
>>333044005
>the police
>useless
stop right there, criminal scum!
>>333044025
Yes, and you're still a Spirit of Vengeance.
>>333044005
How the fuck is it useless, did you even play 1?
>>333043989
>Why not give Darkmoon the ability to passively or actively invade invaders?
They have that ability.
Blue Sentinels and Dorkmoons being split is more of a progression thing than anything else. Darkmoon Blades are pretty late in the game, while Blue Sentinels are in the first area.
>>333043860
>>333043923
Good shit. Cheers
>>333043921
Well, I guess that's probably for the best. Prevents low level hazing to (some) extent. Although half of DS1's charm was getting invaded by people you could never hope to defeat.
>>333042101
>Mound-Makers
So I'm a white phantom who's actually hostile to everything?
Can't host just hit every phantom he summons to make sure they're not mounds?
>>333044143
no, you're purple
>>333044005
Blue is for people who are garbage at pvp and need help.
Sentinel is for people who want to help the little babies.
Darkmoon kills sinners and occasionally helps babies.
>>333044073
Awesome. It would be a cool touch if the sinner turned red when invaded, too.
>>333044143
>Can't host just hit every phantom he summons to make sure they're not mounds?
He can just lock on to you. You might be purple but there is a ring that lets you become white.
>>333044175
Dank
>>333044143
Not white, purple, but I guess you could wear the white phantom ring.
I think it's intended as something of a last-resort type of thing when you're being invaded and can't find any white signs, or just for fun.
>>333044175
Why would anyone summon purple phantoms instead of white or gold?
>>333044250
to gank them. the victim can't flee and hide behind the enemies to even the odds
>>333044143
You are gRAPE purple my man, you are the wildcard. I am worried people won't summon me since they are cowards
But that weeds out the no fun crowd anyways I suppose. Only real niggas summon purple.
>>333044134
>They have that ability
So why do Blue Sentinels exist? You aren't thinking this through.
>
Blue Sentinels and Dorkmoons being split is more of a progression thing than anything else. Darkmoon Blades are pretty late in the game, while Blue Sentinels are in the first area.
That's kind of arbitrary though, and just makes Dark Moon an upgraded Blue Sentinels.
Why would anyone be anything other than moundmakers?
>>333042871
It that 8% for DS and DS2 each so you can get 16% off or just for owning a specific copy/both
>>333044325
I explained why they exist in the second part you also quoted, not sure what you're having trouble with here.
>That's kind of arbitrary though, and just makes Dark Moon an upgraded Blue Sentinels.
Yes and no. Blue Sentinels get summon priority for invasion help, so if you like that better than invading sinners in their world, you'd stay a Blue Sentinel.
>>333044325
Generally in my own experience the sinners are tougher to kill, usually more experience players, while sentinels had easier jobs, since they had a 2v1.
The whole letting darkmoon occasionally help blue is just to avoid the baby blues having a useless covenant if no one wants to be sentinel.
>>333044325
>Blue Sentinels and Dorkmoons being split is more of a progression thing than anything else.
Well at least someone gets it.
>>333044314
do you still get a reward for helping the host kill a boss, or do you absolutely need to kill another player?
>>333044539
Can't enter fog gates, so no killing bosses for you.
>>333044403
just 8% total, 16% would just be stupid business practice.
I heard that you can now only invade someone who already has a phantom summoned. Is this true? Does it apply to blades as well?
>>333043625
>>333043685
nope. they don't invade sinners anymore,.
Darkmoon
For justice
>>333044589
I heard we can enter fog gates. Thats part of the appeal of the covenant.
>>333044620
Yes they do you stupid fuck, I watched a japanese guy do it.
>>333044464
>Blue Sentinels get summon priority for invasion help
Yes, but WHY? Why make two covenants that do the same thing and just make the one do it more? I think you're having trouble imagining a scenario where it is only one covenant.
>>333044486
>The whole letting darkmoon occasionally help blue is just to avoid the baby blues having a useless covenant if no one wants to be sentinel.
They could avoid that even easier by not having it in the game.
>>333044668
>I heard we can enter fog gates.
You heard wrong. Not sure if the host making it to the boss counts as a success for failure though.
>>333044668
Jesus christ you retard, they don't. People have already confirmed this.
Blades of the Darkmoon invade red phantoms who are pursuing some cuck that's being invaded.
Unless you can find a video of a Blade of the Darkmoon invading a SINNER as a blue phantom, then shut the fuck up.
>>333044636
Darkmoon
For the Trap
>Mound Makers are the only interesting new covenant
>Literally useless because they rely on someone purposefully summoning a player who could kill them at any time instead of a normal white phantom/warrior of sunlight who are incapable of hurting them
Bravo FROM
Sunbros, not for any Sunboy affection, though I do like him, but being a knight of justice is just too alluring to pass up
>>333044778
*for the Corpse
>>333044737
*success or failure
>>333044709
>Yes, but WHY? Why make two covenants that do the same thing and just make the one do it more?
Because one is very early in the game and the other is very late and has other stuff as well.
If Blue Sentinels didn't exist, no one in the early game would ever get help because there aren't any Dorkmoons at a low enough level to be summoned.
>>333044778
>mask isn't in DS3
JUST
>>333044792
You knowInvaders can summon them
>>333044792
It's almost like Way of the Dragon was one of the most popular covenants in the previous two games.
>>333044668
You're really dense, aren't you?
Even the Blades of the Darkmoon covenant item confirms this:
>When a member of the Way of Blue faces a dark spirit, the Blades of the Darkmoon, by an ancient accord, help to root out the invader. Summoning takes place automatically when equipped.
>>333044862
That was a bug, the guy returned to his own world as a red phantom.
>>333040717
So who's going to be the designated DS3 waifu?
>>333044778
Your trap has been eaten by Eldrich, devourer of waifus
>>333044927
>DS3
>waifus
Anon, I...
>>333044927
The Darkmoon covanent master, [spoilers Priscilla[/spoiler]
>>333044927
Anri of Astora.
She's so cute you could marry and kill her
>>333044982
Nice spoilers fag
>>333044778
Trap is kill, Aldrich ate her :^)
>>333044927
the only firekeeper that matters
> no company of champions covenant
> all gimmicky PVP covenants
life is suffering
>>333045006
I don't like what you're implying
>No fixed Gravelords Covenant
>>333040818
Shouldn't you just play offline then you big baby?
>>333045053
>that swirl
OH MY GOD
>>333045092
Pray for DLC.
>>333045092
>only one new covenant
Addendum for you
>>333045053
>he's giving me a toast!
>he seems to be waiting for me to do something!
>oh shit, what do I do??
>uh
>uh
>uh
>oh, I know, do a twirl!
instead of toasting back?
>>333045025
What's this guy's story and why does he get to be such a badass?
Any other gods he ate?
>>333045053
C U T E
W I F E
>>333045092
Why did you want that covenant?, it was just buffed numbers, no new mechanics.
I mean, it wasn't shoved down your throat in 2 or anything, just a neat thing off to the side, but it's effect was literally artificial difficulty.
>>333045212
She's blind
>>333045212
Firekeepers are awkward retards
>>333045212
she's autistic
just like me!
TIER LIST FOR ALL COVENANTS (returning ones are grouped together)
>God Tier
Sunbros
>Top Tier
Dickwraiths/Dickfingers
Forestfags
Watchdogs
>Mid Tier
DMBlades**
Blueberry Sentinels
Bellbros
Dragons
Mounds
>Low Tier
Faithfuls
Champs
Ravelords*
Chaosfags
>Shit Tier
Ratfags*
Titty Guards
Way of White
Pilgrims
Bluebabbys
*Good concept, bad or flawed execution
**Shit in 1, good in 3
>>333045219
Gwyndolin is the only known diety from DaS1 that he ate
Okay, two questions.
Any covenant you can't farm drops on PvE?
What are the rewards for each?
The firekeepers are all shut in neets, all awkward and flustered.
>>333044832
>Because one is very early in the game and the other is very late
WHY?
>If Blue Sentinels didn't exist, no one in the early game would ever get help
Why didn't they just make Dark Moon accessible in the early game?
>>333045219
We only know of Gwyndolin, but he does have illusory versions of Priscilla's and Nito's weapons
>>333045212
She's an awkwardly massive slut like Maiden in Black
>Touch the darkness inside me Ashen One~
If you pick the blue baby covenant unironically, kill yourself.
>>333045164
>like co-op
>don't like invasions
>WHY DON'T YOU JUST PLAY OFFLINE? HURR
>>333045389
Because it's the fucking Blade of the Darkmoon. In other words, story reasons.
>>333045053
OUT OF THE WAY MAIDEN IN BLACK YOU'RE OLD AND BUSTED, THERE'S A NEW HOTNESS IN TOWN
Fucking finally. Felt like a celibate monk in DaS1 and Emerald Herald was a boring whore.
>>333045298
>put pancakes over my eyes
>>333040717
Do you have to be embered to do online shit?
Because I spent most of DS and DS2 hollowed because I never wanted to use a humanity/effigy
>>333045389
Games have always had disconnects between gameplay and story, just how it has to be. Giving every covenant at the start would remove a sense of progression.
>>333045543
Yes.
>>333043018
What site?
>>333045421
IMO that implies that he only ever saw them in visions, instead of actually consuming them. He can recreate all of Gwyndolin's weapons perfectly, his soul makes exact replicas. If he had consumed the other two, presumably he wouldn't make mistakes with their gear
>>333045596
cdkeys.com
>>333045497
Story reasons does not trump gameplay reasons. If you need to have one available early, why not have one, and only one available early regardless of what the fucking name is. You really need to focus here and try to imagine the game being made another way other than how they made it.
>>333045559
>Giving every covenant at the start would remove a sense of progression.
Who said anything about that?
>>333045652
You will get it either a day or two before release or on the day of the release at the latest.
>>333045025
>priscilla killed gwyndolyn
>>333045634
I get the same from it. Also, Lifehunt when used by someone other than Priscilla rebounds on them (hence the Lifehunt Scythe in DaS1 inflicting bleed on the player when they attack with it), so the fact that it doesn't do that implies it's an imitation too.
>>333045736
uaaargh
>>333045769
Where does it say that...
>>333045730
It was more of a parallel to how it is now, if we got them all at once instead of spread through story.
>>333043018
with you bro got mine from Gaming Dragons never used them before & they the cheapest
>>333045736
Who /Herald/ here?
Wait is there no Dragon covenant?
>>333045860
Faith and Sorceries are shit, so unless they get patched between now and release, going Knight > Quality build
>>333042861
But are theNig Nog knightsback?
>>333045860
Deprived or thief.
Deprived seems pretty balanced at level 1
>>333045887
The Duelist covenant is taken over by Grapes, but it's still possible to get the dragon transformation and abilties through other methods.
>>333045827
Anon I think you're confused as to what I'm arguing.
>>333045860
>getting more than 7 luck
enjoy your wasted points, faggot
>>333045938Yes
>>333045964
Thank god
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHF_bIjIPAE
>>333045982
>not going 99 luck for all the fashion souls, then respeccing to a real build.
I don't need damage stats, I'm not a little baby like yourself.
>>333045860
Mercenary bros WW@?
Wanderlust and a life of adventure is for me.
>>333046162
Get back on your camel and keep riding, Ackbar.
>>333046162
Reporting in. That headscarf thing is top tier fashion souls.
>>333045226
just for fun, and the additional challenge. it also changed things so you were essentially operating in NG+ from the start. also incentivized winning against invaders, but the rewards were sort of shit.
if the rewards were better it would be a favorite covenant.
I can see why they didn't add it though -- if it was too good, it would reduce the number of people playing coop. probably a better decision in the long run I guess.
>>333045982
If a mugenmonkey gets made with a "best starting class" option, then I won't care as far as PvP builds go. From what I've heard, knight/deprived seem to be the most well-rounded for most builds.
>>333046162
Don't know if I should go merc or assassin.
>>333045860
Pyromancer, but damn I always hate their ragged fur armour.
Always want to replace it with armour to become some fire knight
>>333041715
Found the scrub who gets constenly raped by casters everywhere he goes
>>333045860
>not rising from the grave completely naked
>>333045661
Except there are zero negative consequences of having both
Any good Berserk references this time around?
>>333046608
There are zero negative consequences for having only one.
Having both is redundant.
>>333045860
le role
>>333045489
>Wants the reward without the risk
This isn't the right series for you
>>333045860
gimme that knight
>>333046126
Why don't you just make a real build so that you can get through the game, then respec to 99 luck when you want to grind for shit.
>>333046821
Fucking with the story is pretty negative
>>333046448
Lorewise I think it makes sense for open fur armor considering metal would cook you alive, but luckily you'll have fireknight with all those ember armor
>>333046982
Are you autistic? The covenant that has that function does not need to have that same slot in the story. How is this so hard for you?
>>333045860
BAKA DESU SENPAI
>>333046969
It was mostly a joke, but I am hoping luck will have something that makes it useful.
does way of blue actually work now?
>>333045860
>there are seriously retards on this board who won't pick deprived
Shaking my head, family, to be honest
>>333046932
No, I want the fun of co-op without tryhard MLG memers like yourself.
Have been living under a rock, did the nips like it? Is it better than 2?
>>333045860
what the hell is the point of the giant stone turtle shells that all of the pilgrims, and the Cleric class, wear?
>>333047053
I'm not the one losing his shit because one covenant happens to be somewhat redundant, autist
>>333047149
Risk vs. Reward is a basic concept that's existed long before "MLG" and memes anon
>>333044778
>Gwynevere isn't around, so no giant, glorious tits to watch while she breaths
>Gwyndolin is technically in the game but has been consumed by some vorefag
>Can't serve as the loyal bitch of god-tier QT3.14 trap boipussy
>Can't suck Gwyndolin's small, feminine penis and keep him company while he sits alone in his corridor, keeping his spirits up while he works to lead his covenant and kill sinners
>Can't be rewarded with a pale trap sucking me off in the moonlight when I kill lots of sinners for him
>Can't be rewarded by fucking his tight boipussy when I reach max covenant level
>Can't be his secret lover and make passionate love to him every night
>Can't marry him and rule over Anor Londo alongside him
Why even live?DaS3 mod tools when? ;_;
>>333047170
So far reviews are saying it's what 2 should've been. It is really good.
>>333047128
I will probably legitimately respec for grinding, especially if the item that lets you respec (I assume it's an item) has a drop chance from some enemies.
>>333047170
So far the general consensus seems to be that it's vastly better than 2 and a solid follow up to 1, but with a bit too much Grim and Grey from an artistic standpoint.
>>333047271
It's not an item. You can respec 5 times per NG level from an NPC.
>>333047252
well, at least it's canon that you don't kill him in DaS1
>>333047271
It's the reward item for successful invasions
>>333046657
what is this gay shit
>>333047181
I'm not "losing my shit", I made one comment suggesting that the covenants be merged and ever since you have been fighting tooth and nail against the idea as if the possibility of changing things from the way they are is deeply upsetting to your worldview.
>blessed weapons are back
Who trying to /regenbuild/ here?
>>333047290
>>333047265
I am going to believe everything you tell me because it's exactly what I want to hear.
>>333045860
>>333045736
im goin pyro but idk what weapons i want
>>333047215
A concept that does not at all apply to this situation.
>>333047391
I guess that's true, same for the Fair Lady. Though I'm assuming Quelaag is confirmed to be long dead.
Storyfags, hit me with the lore of this game so I can get it out of my system and focus on being a dick in invasions.
>>333047487
they died side by side, anon, finally reunited as a loving family
>>333047561
Google it you stupid faggot.
>>333047479
It does, making yourself available for co-op also makes you vulnerable to invasions, this is a very basic and simple risk vs. reward scenario, the player has to choose to either deny the risk (the invasion,) and miss out on co-op, or take the risk, and have co-op available. That's why I said this series isn't right for you, because you're trying to go against one of the most basic ideas behind the series, that the player must take risks in order to get a reward, progressing through the game, whereas you're trying to get the reward without the risk.
>>333047563
Really? Honest and truly really? The Fair Lady got to spend her final moments alongside her loving sister and sleep for one last time together?
>>333047408
So you have to invade to respec, I like
>>333045860
Rolling plz no magic stuff
>>333047745
exactly
So how do Covenants work this time around? You find a covenant patch or something and just equip it to join?
>>333047446
>Shimakaze
>Rei
Such shit taste
>>333047745
No, not really.
Quelana found the fair lady dead because CU killed spidertits, cutting off her supply of humanity, and lost the will to live.
>>333047828
Say that to my purple face motherfucker, not online and see what happens.
>>333047818
Why are you asking if you already know?
>>333047561
It's about htis guy who loves really big dicks so he goes on an epic quest to this far land that like not Lordran or whatever but like that and it has loads of boss monsters with really big dicks. Anyway you travel around dressing up in really faggy outfits and taking these really really big dicks and there's mooks and stuff on the way but you just suck them off a bit and that's about it.
Is there a way to be a fencer withouy being some kind of faggot dex build?
>>333047818
Yes
>>333047909
Because I don't know, but noticed someone pick up the WoS item, but never got to see how they really work.
Are there covenant rewards too?
>>333047945
yes
>>333047734
>this is a very basic and simple risk vs. reward scenario
It isn't. Risk vs reward would be like making yourself more vulnerable to damage while dealing more damage to your opponent. Yes, co-op CAN make things easier, assuming both players survive long enough to make use of it, but access to co-op in itself doesn't inherently do that.
And regardless of how you want to look at it, the risk was never the issue to begin with. I don't want to cut out invasions because I'm scared of dying, I want to cut out invasions because I do not like playing games with the kind of people that invade.
>>333047885
I'd slap your shit waifus on the butt to show you my disdain over your taste
First playthrough I like to immerse myself in PvE, so probably Sunbros for helping out scrubs occasionally or Way of Blue so blueberries have something to do.
I've always rolled STR/FTH, so Sunbros seem like a fitting covenant.
In second playthrough or NG+ probably Mounds or Watchdogs
>>333047848
There's an entire covenant of people feeding the fair lady their "humanities", heh. She's not gonna run out of them anytime soon, if anything spidertits was just protecting her.
I'm going to assume there's no penalty in switching covenants like in DaS2, right?
>>333047793
Beautiful.
>>333047848
I refute your lies until I see the truth for myself.
>>333048001
prove it
>>333047921
>Is there a way to be dexfag without being some kind of dexfag?
It's perfectly ok to have a dex build anon. You shouldn't listen to the memers.
>>333047921
>Is there a way to play a DEX role without DEX?
No
>>333048019
>Co-op can make things easier, but isn't a guarantee
That doesn't mean it's no longer an issue of risk vs. reward, that means the reward is diminished, making the risk more difficult to justify depending on the person, and if you don't like playing with the kind of people who invade, then again, this series isn't for you, with the exception of actual hackers, which is a legitimate complaint, the developers intended for you to be invaded by these people, it's part of the risk associated with being able to co-op.
so i heard ring of the living was in 3, where is it? and no, i'm not talking about the ring of the dead, which only makes you look human while hollow, i mean the ring that makes you look human as a phantom
>>333048084
I always hated that there was no real threat of leaving a covenant.
>DaS1
>Leave covenant
>Pay a few thousand souls to Oswald to make the few covenant leaders that get pissed not pissed
>DaS2
>Leave covenant
>Wow, fucking nothing happens
Like, I get it, penalties would be annoying if you want to have one build fight in multiple ways, but don't even give the illusion that there's a threat when there's not.
Do the Darkmoons actually fucking work this time?
>>333048223
>and if you don't like playing with the kind of people who invade, then again, this series isn't for you
Or maybe, just maybe, the COMMUNITY isn't for me.
You do know it is possible to like a game without liking every single aspect of it, right? Invasion is a stupid mechanic that draws griefers and ebin trolls into the community.
>>333048292
it isn't
>>333046290
there's the calamity ring for additional challenge. its +30% dmg at least if I remember correctly
>>333048308
In DaS1, you usually lost half of the humanity/covenant items you gave the leader but for the most part it was a really small penalty.
>>333040717
Blue Sentinels, protecting the weaklings all day
will I be able to make a guts build?
this is an important question.
>>333048292
>Untrue Dark Ring
>Retain human appearance while hollow or summoned.
>>333048223
If your first playthrough consists of summoning NPC's and other players, you should consider killing yourself. The experience is x100 times better solo and feels way more rewarding.
>>333040717
So what's the breakdown on what covenants do what?
Sunlight Warriors and Darkmoon Blade are Obvious.
>>333048609
Pretty sure the Greatsword from DaS2 is in the game.
>>333048308
Gameplay > Story
Penalties for such things would be an equal amount of retarded as Quiet becoming unavailable for story's sake in MGS V.
>>333047921
You do it in the same way you can do a havel's build with 0 endurance.
>>333048692
You should know what Way of Blue and Blue Sentinels do, since they are from DS2.
>>333048692
http://darksouls3.wikidot.com/covenants
>>333048749
stay mad filthy red
>>333040717
Worst covenants of the series
>3 different darkmoon covenants
Why the fuck?
>>333048714
I'm somewhat mixed on the idea that you could only join one covenant per character.
>>333048609
You can make even better.
>>333045860
I can't decide between Str/Fai and Dex/Int.
Someone help
>>333048492
>The community isn't for me
I can agree wholeheartedly with that, I get annoyed by invaders more than legitimately challenged, but I still go through with it because I invited that into my game by choice. That's why I was saying the series might not be for you, because that's how the developers intended for the game to be played. The only things that truly go against that in invasions are hackers, and the trolls you mentioned, griefers however are supposed to be there, as annoying as they can be.
>>333048685
I never said someone's first playthrough should be full of summoning other players and NPCs, what you're saying legitimately has nothing to do with what I've been saying. Just because the online play is an option doesn't mean you have to use it and I don't on my first run. I don't get where you got the idea that I think everyone should summon all the time on the first playthrough.
>>333040717
Do Blue sentinels get pulled into worlds where the host is invaded?
You'd think this would be a fun covenant but if I remember at it's use for is gank-squading Blue's.
>>333048962
STR/INT
>>333046531
No, I learned how to punish casters long ago. They're all my bitch at this point.
>>333049004
Yes. But if there's a ganksquad there can be multiple blues summoned.
>>333046531
>getting hit by spells
>ever
>>333049006
But why
>>333045860
Armor is pretty useless in this game. I'd rather go naked
>>333047921
Str builds are the true bitch builds. Too shit make multiple hits count, gotta rely on your opponent to make a mistake before you can do anything.
>>333048973
>but I still go through with it because I invited that into my game by choice
I do not invite them into my game by choice. They are literally invading my game.
>That's why I was saying the series might not be for you, because that's how the developers intended for the game to be played
Again, you can like a game without liking every aspect of it. It isn't the game that isn't right for me, it's that specific mechanic and the people that are so enamored with it.
>>333048962
Google gives me nothing. Sauce?
>>333048930
My dick is so fucking hard right now.
Is there an equivalent to Ivory King UGS in the game? Loved that weapon.
>>333048930
welcome back artorias
>>333048962
you know the answer.
Speaking of which, is The Rock in DaS3 ? Or his set and weapons at least?
>>333045860
Warrior
>>333049136
so you can take your xboxhueg weapon and enchant it.
or take your xboxhueg shield, and buff it
>>333048973
I know what you were saying. I'm just stating my point. Never accused you of summoning on the first playthrough. However, if there is a person that summons their first playthrough and they read this post, neck yourself.
>>333048962
Dex/Int and use the Assassin starting class. They even start with the Bestoc
>>333040717
>sunlight
as these memesters
BLUE SENT 4LYFE
I AM THE LAW!
time to punish all these ganking red stone fags
>>333049231
Of course they are, unfortunately.
>>333049220
Use iqdb and you'll probably find it on a booru
>>333048825
>you can level up Covenants by farming enemies offline
Thank fuck that's back.
>>333049231
*muffled Apollo 440 plays in the distance*
>>333049407
Great. Did they give him some fancy new moveset? Not that the original one isn't perfect but some variety would be nice.
FRIENDLY REMINDER IF YOU WANT TO BTFO SPINFAGS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUVCPADTGlk
who is the objective best girl of DaS3?
>>333042861
>>333045938
>>333045997
Thanks for actually hiding the spoilers, senpai
>>333049519
Nope.
>>333041715
>>333049058
>This particular playstyle isn't my cup of tea so I'm glad that others won't be able to enjoy it
>Incessant bragging about how easy killing players of said style is
How does it feel to be a child?
So we're getting a 9th covenant through DLC right? I refuse to believe there are only 8 covenants, how am I supposed to make an alignment grid with that.
>>333049217
>I do not invade them by choice
That's the thing, is that by making yourself available for co-op, you're inviting other players to come and kill you as well. It may not be your direct intention to get invaded, you might not want it, but you have to make a choice as to whether you want to allow that potential to exist, in exchange for getting access to co-op.
Also, I fully understand that you don't have to like every part of a game, but that's why I think, at the very least you shouldn't try to work around the invasion system. Even if you find it annoying, that's kind of intentional by the developers, and by removing it from the game entirely, you're kind of bypassing part of what makes the Souls series so great. There are definitely circumstances where it makes sense to go against what the developers intended, but I don't think this is one of them, even when I've absolutely hated getting invaded to the point of wanting to go offline, I still didn't try to workaround it because it's the trade off for being available for co-op.
>>333049531
were you really butthurt enough to take the time out of your day to make this?
>>333040818
Getting invaded is the most fun part. I welcome you motherfuckers, your on my turf now
but if your that shitty, just get an estoc and r1 spam behind a shield
>>333049634
:^)
Who is best Souls waifu?
>>333049752
Quelana
all others are pretenders
>>333049524
>game's not even out yet and people are already watching videos on how to make most minmaxed builds and tactics possible
>not doing a blind run and enjoying the unexpected
I pity the esports fags who can no longer know such joys.
>>333049752
Witch Beatrice
>>333049807
>blind running a souls game
This guy has no idea how to souls.
>>333049608
Shit, meant to say >I do not invite them*
Similar words, got caught up in Souls
>>333049807
the spinny anime greatsword is going to be an obvious go-to for many shitters. dont even have to play the game to know that.
>>333049837
you don't even talk to her, how can she be best girl?
>>333047418
Not that guy but what the fuck, those 2 covenants have different roles in the game. One is for helping people that got invaded so you fight 1vs2, the other one is for invading sinners and fighting them 1vs1 in their world. How the fuck do you not understand that?
>>333049807
Enjoy getting stuck on a boss once you realize you poorly spent your levels.
>>333045520
>Cheating on BAE
fuck off faggot I bet you didn't even play DeS
>>333049915
She actually helps you fight bosses, twice. Which is more than can be said for most others.
>>333041381
this is what the souls series has become
nothing but memers
>>333049752
the onion knight
>>333049930
you'd have to be retarded to ever do this
Warrios of Sunlight for memeing
>>333050007
*once
if you summon her for the 4kings, she makes the fight harder, not easier
>>333049752
Executioner Miralda
>tfw she will never fuck you with a crystal lizard
>>333049608
>That's the thing, is that by making yourself available for co-op, you're inviting other players to come and kill you as well.
No, stop, focus. I do not want to be invaded, I do not like that mechanic, I do not like people that like that mechanic. I do like Dark Souls. I do like co-op. Get it through your head.
>but that's why I think, at the very least you shouldn't try to work around the invasion system
That's complete nonsense, and you're also arguing this after trying to say someone shouldn't use a covenant that is in the game.
>you're kind of bypassing part of what makes the Souls series so great
Great TO YOU. I find invasions to be the one glaring flaw of the Souls series.
>>333049650
>your
Invader babies confirmed children.
>>333049869
there's no fun in knowing the pitfalls and surprises the game has to fuck you with
it's like going to a gangbang to get fucked and knowing how many dudes are going. I wanna surprise my asshole
>>333050153
>tfw you walk into blighttown
>>333050153
why
>>333049602
>I don't like the way this is balanced because it requires less effort than other playstyles
>"you're just mad that they beat you"
>No, because I beat them
>incessant bragging
Is one short comment incessant? Nope.
I've had spellcasting builds, and it promotes sloppy play because it gives you a massive crutch, and that's something I've learned to punish in PvP.
Fuck, if I'm a child, you need to step your game up, baby boy.
>>333049869
After 3 games I'd say I do.
>>333049930
> getting stuck on a boss
Sounds like something a shitter would say.
The worst that happened to me was reaching Sif at SL 16 after accidentally getting lost and even skipping butterfly in the process. I had only a scimitar and medium roll from shitty armor because I didn't even know about roll speeds back then. After 3 whole hours I managed to beat him and have never once been stuck on a boss ever since.git gud
>>333049930
Enjoy blitzing through a game and then getting to the end and having absoloutely no feeling of accomplishment because all your knowledge was gained from other people, and not based on your own experience.
Who doesnt make more than one character n these games, the first character is always fucked up, the second character is when you focus on something.
The internet has ruined videogames because you know everything before youve even played it now, and then you turn around and say "this game was shit" and have no idea why you think this.
>>333040717
What's the difference between darkmoon and sentinels ?
>>333045736
Hoping to get something more interesting than last time i rolled (all magic, sword-using darkwraith cleric)
>>333049926
Wrong. Both can be summoned automatically by Way of The Blue members that have been invaded. Blades of the Darkmoon can also invade invaders actively. Blades of the Darkmoon is therefore just an upgraded Blue Sentinel covenant.
>>333050327
read
the
thread
>>333045736
Let's see what Kos have set to me.
>>333050108
I fail to see how that's an issue.
If a girl is ready to jump into the abyss with you, you know you've found the one, and should never leave her side.
>mfw DMB
>mfw I shit on all those faggot ass reds
>mfw I am gif related to them
WHO /DARKMOON/ HERE?
>>333050372
she doesn't give you a +5 ascended pyro glove.
Beatrice may jump into the Abyss, but she won't share her very soul with you
>>333050282
Nigga Sif is entry level. If you had told me O&S you'd have more credibility.
>>333050375
Captcha eating my shit
>>333040967
good to see weebsticks still being the top dog
>>333049869
It's the only way. A blind run is a must for your first playthrough.
>>333049930
>some people are actually this stupid
>>333049752
R H E A
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>>333050372
My waifu dresses up for me whoever I want.
Does your waifu do that?
http://darksouls3.wikidot.com/covenants
>Mound-Makers
>Your summon sign will appear purple, and it's colour cannot be changed through the use of items like the Untrue White Ring.
>changed through the use of items like the Untrue White Ring.
wait what
>>333050483
Beatrice will give you her fucking panties afterwards. You're a tough customer.
>>333043247
>What weapon is that? That damage is crazy good
hornet ring
>>333050573
I think a relationship with her would start off a little rocky
>>333050573
I can dress as my waifu.
>>333050613
People have been lying about the sign appearing white if you wear the ring that makes you look like a white phantom a bunch, so pointing out that it doesn't work seems sensible.
>>333050491
this
although the area itself was a feeding ground for souls to compensate and powerlevel yourself/upgrade your gear ft. giantsmith
>>333050627
no she doesn't, she fucking dies way back in the past, and you loot her clothes off of her rotting corpse
>>333040818
>people like this actually exist
dark souls ng+ was the most fun thing ever as a sinner. every 15 minutes you'd get some extra challenge from having to deal with a blue copper. it was like playing GTA except the cops were other players
>>333050348
Darkmoon get summoned with a lower priority, so you only get summoned if there are no blues in the area. Thats a huge difference.
>>333049752
>Souls
Same shit
>>333050491
I was only relating my only "getting stuck" experience. If you also beat Sif on your first playthrough at SL 16 with scimitar and medium roll in less time than me, then I will admit to you being a better player, no shame in that, I've never claimed to be the best.
I beat O&S on my first try though (with Solaire) so I don't get the point of your post.
>>333041240
>you can't twink
ayyyyyy
They just made it more fair but you WILL see twinks.
>>333050742
She only leaves her loot for you to take after you've jumped in the abyss together.
>>333050278
You can punish them easily and it's the other person's loss if they start crutching on spells and become shit as a result. What's there to complain about?
>>333050313
>Been spoiling myself on DaS3 like an anon lusting after trap doujins
>Now I have a better idea of what character I want to start with
>I'll still enjoy the game regardless
Be more optimistic
>>333050846
>you WILL see twinks
You literally wont
>>333050613
Why would any one summon a mound maker unless for a gank?
>>333050138
I'm aware that you don't like invasions anon, but again, it's a vital component of the game that changes how people approach it. I get that you don't like it, and I don't like getting killed by invaders either, but just because I don't like it, I don't try to get around it because it's part of what the series is as a whole. It's similar to the idea of taking the whole automatic vs. manual transmission out of a racing game, while that may refer more to allowing advanced players to do better, it also means the player has to pay more attention and be more careful to win the race, making the game more difficult but allowing for greater results and better victories. Similar to how an invasion can play out, although invasions have the downside of potentially being boring or terrible, but that's just the nature of it.
>After saying someone shouldn't use a covenant that is in the game
What? When did I say this? If there's a covenant that allows you to co-op without invasions then feel free, because that's in the game normally, you're not breaking the experience by using that, but I don't remember that being around in a Souls game, it's possible I just forgot.
>I find invasions to be a glaring flaw
Then why do you think they're a glaring flaw? The hackers can ruin an experience sure, but people who are just invading like normal, they help complete the game even if I personally don't like what's going on. I'm not saying invasions are undoubtedly great, but to just take them out entirely is something that I believe breaks the game.
All that said, look, if you choose to avoid the invasions entirely because you hate it, that's fine, I totally get why someone would do that, and there's a few legitimate reasons for it, but you have to understand that it really is an important part of the Souls series and helps define it's identity, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not important to the experience, or that it isn't ripping out a part of the game.
>>333050920
>What's there to complain about?
The fact I want to playstyle to be better? Wouldn't you want it to be better, too?
>>333050775
meant to say dark souls 2. dark souls 2 pve was shit compared to dark souls, but it had really good pvp and pve integration (at least in ng+)
>>333050832
>with Solaire
neither do I. The entire challenge of O&S is having to wrangle two enemies using pillars and stuff, and keep track of where they are at all time. Using an ally (or even worse, Solaire) which will inevitably distract them off you makes the fight ridiculously easy. Individually O&S are just some tough enemies, it's only because they are together that they count as a boss.
>>333050781
>Darkmoon get summoned with a lower priority
Holy shit read the reply chain, I have already been over this.
You only get summoned with a lower priority because Blue Sentinels exist, I am arguing that the two covenants should instead just be one covenant.
>>333049752
OnlyAfro
>>333051089
>lusting after crazy
no
>>333045736
Well it's more interesting playing as gimped anyway.
>>333051045
That's too bad because I had no idea who O&S even were before starting the fight, or that I was going to fight two people. And I always summoned Solaire in every fight because I figured I'd get something from him if I did. (Not to mention that bosses get a shitton more HP if you have at least 1 summon, making some fights even more difficult than they would be if you were alone, e.g. 4kings)
But who will unironically join the Way of the Blue anyway?
>>333051251
never underestimate how bad the average player is, anon
>>333047252
My penis likes this.
Does Artorias appear in this game? I remember seeing rumors because of there being a replica of his sword at some exposition.
>>333051251
You realize how many fucking shitters play DaS? I would kill people all fucking day in parish with just a +5 weapon
Reminder that Lord Gwyn did LITERALLY nothing wrong
>>333051251
if you're seriously asking this then you'll be in for a shock when you do invasions.
>>333051004
>it's a vital component of the game
In your opinion.
>>333051004
>What? When did I say this?
When you criticized someone for wanting to join The Way of the Blue to avoid Invasions. You know, the thing that started this whole conversation.
>Then why do you think they're a glaring flaw?
Because it invites griefers and trolls into the community and adds nothing.
>but you have to understand that it really is an important part of the Souls series and helps define it's identity
And you have to understand that while it may be important to you, it isn't to everyone, and that while you may welcome being invaded, others are invaded against their will, and they have have no say in the matter unless they want to cut off co-op too. People that like co-op but hate invasions are screwed over to the detriment of the game.
>>333049524
>those glancing blows dealing a fraction of the damage
>those glancing blows not instantly teleporting you to the enemy's weapon
FUCKING A-TEAM
>>333051056
He genuinely looks autistic.
>>333051047
Are you fucking dense? Thats the whole point that you get sumonned less, if you were sumonned at the same rate as blues then it would be the upgraded version of blues but exactly because you get sumonned less it fucking not the same. The focus of Darkmoon is to invade others, focus of blues is to get summoned for help, Darkmoon is for those who DON'T want to be summoned a lot but want to invade a lot.
>>333040717
If I get into pvp whatever helps me have the best experience. I probably wont though and I dont need help for the bosses so none.
>>333051362Mine too, anon. That's why I wrote it.
>>333045860
Gonna have a badass pyromancer dude and a qt herald grill.
>>333051389
that spinny shit is literally his move
we Artorias now
>>333051251
New people and people who want a little help against invaders?
>>333051483
anon, if you wanna cheese the game by summoning people to kill bosses for you, you gotta put up with the big bad, nasty scary invaders. the game isn't just going to sit back and allow you to let others beat it for you for free. if you're too much of a pussy to handle this concept, play offline, or uninstall the game
>>333051519
Haruhi cosplayers are usually like that
>>333051728
what's wrong with Haruhi?
>>333045736
rollerinoo
>>333050372
>If a girl is ready to jump into the abyss with you, you know you've found the one, and should never leave her side.
That sounds so romantic!
>>333051519
I'm not even sure if that was confirmed to be him, but the picture was posted by a fan to his Twitter during the time he was at a convention dressed as Haruhi for "losing a bet", and the skin tones match those of the pictures he teased in a recent video. Plus he's posing with a giantdad. It's probably a 90% chance of being him.
>>333040717
Warriors of sunlight, sunbros sound even better now that they have some pvp tied to them too. Fuck memes we can bro up or bro down its your call faggot.
>>333051658
>>333051089
Waifu faggotry really knows no bounds if even Iosefka is someone's waifu
>>333051808
I mean, it's not like the Abyss is that big of a deal anyway. Kaathe told me that the Abyss is a great time, and is the natural environment for human beings! you and your girl should join us, gwyn's lies serve only to keep you down! it's cozy.
>>333051542
You are retarded and confused. Read the reply chain or kill yourself, whichever comes first.
>>333051823
Why did he alter his voice in his videos all these years anyway? I mean it fit well in the Giant Dad video but it sounds awkward in the Arma 3 videos, was he afraid people would make fun of his child voice?
>>333051705
I sincerely hope you are not the same person I have been arguing with this whole time, because this comment reads like someone who has no idea what has been talked about to this point.
>>333051089
It's alright when they are hot.
>>333051935
Hmm, I wonder who could be behind this post?
>>333041381
good luck, ill just pirate it
>>333051861
are you implying that fake Iosefka is a BAD waifu, anon? you really need more eyes
>>333052019
He wanted to keep his gender a secret, probably, since that was up for debate among the community for a while. Though, now that his voice has been revealed and his Haruhi cosplay has been revealed (to some extent,) I heard he gets a lot of comments in his streams/twitter related to trap bullying and teasing him for being a sissy and shit.
>>333048930
>Atorias Great sword design
>Blender moves
JUST ALL OF MY MUH
>>333052191
She's really shit when you compare her to best girl
>>333045736
aii
>>333051935
Seriously though, how much of what Frampt and Kaathe said was true and how much was lies? Like, in the dark lord ending it's seems to be implied that they were in cahoots the whole time. Also while I can conceive that the furtive pigmy (Manus) created the original humans, I really don't think the Abyss would be the natural environment for humans, as shown in Oolacile. So what gives?
>>333045736
pls no spears
>>333051483
>In your opinion
While it's true I believe it, it's also in the opinion of the people who make the game, as well as the majority of the player base, and considering how much in-game content is dedicated to the PvP, I find it incredibly hard to see how you could say that it's not vital to the game. Do you not like it? Absolutely, and I get why you don't like it, you have legitimate reasons for not wanting to do it, but that doesn't mean it isn't vital just because you don't like it.
>When you criticized someone for wanting to join The Way of the Blue to avoid Invasions. You know, the thing that started this whole conversation.
What? I just double checked both the covenant and the items for it for sanity, and none of those say anything about avoiding invasions. You still get invaded anon, there's no covenant that stops that from happening.
>Because it invites griefers and trolls into the community, and adds nothing.
I disagree, the trolls are annoying, but the griefers, again, are part of the experience that players choose to participate in by risking the chance of co-op. In all honesty, I don't think it invites trolls to such a degree that it ruins PvP. The player base for these games is large, and there are always going to be a large amount of trolls in a community as soon as it becomes known to a decently sized mass of people, and in all honesty, there's not much someone can do to troll that a person who's desperate to win but invading legitimately wouldn't do.
I get that you don't like the invasions, and that they're against your will, but you have to choose to let it happen by engaging in co-op. The reason people have no say in the co-op without invasions is because it's part of the atmosphere, the game, and the world that the developers wanted to build. Rather than avoiding it so much because trolls exist, why not try to work around them in-game? Or simply get into co-op faster so they can help you with invasions rather than cutting them.
>>333052417
>girl
okay
>>333052457
Humanity is a fragment of the Dark Soul. Humans don't come from the Abyss, the Abyss comes from Humans. Manus had so much Humanity, in other words, the Dark Soul, that his presence caused the Abyss to manifest.
>>333052617
Yes, girl
>check system requirements on steam
>970 GTX recommended
>750 minimum
>running on a 760 GTX right now
fug
i really didn't want to upgrade until the new GPUs came out
i wonder if i can do 60 fps somehow
>>333052457
>they're in cahoots
they're like God and the Devil in the story of Job
>how could the Abyss be the Darkness if humans are darkness
humanity and the Dark are self-destructive. Humanity and the Dark represent all of the selfish, self-destructive tendencies in man. Greed (the Darkwraiths), obsessive lust/longing that kills the object of said attraction (manus and the humanity sprites in Oolacile), etc. the Dark Fog hex outright states that Darkness is a terrible poison for humans, which reveals the Dark Souls' true nature.
Humans are born of the Dark, but the Dark is their downfall.
Although, the "natural" state of the Abyss isn't corrosive (this is an artifact of the evil sorceries that were used to revive Manus), it's meant to gently embrace you as it consumes you
>>333052417
a doll isn't a girl, it's a toy
>>333052756
ok then one more question, is the Abyss in New Londo connected to the Abyss in Oolacile? Or are they just two unrelated manifestations of the Abyss phenomenon, brought along by high concentrations of humanity?
>>333052842
She's a waifu
>>333052517
>but you have to choose to let it happen by engaging in co-op
Which is the entire problem, as I have stated numerous times.
>>333052191
Doesn't take much insight to know never to stick your dick in crazy
>>333052994
they are one and the same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGQ86Aet_7M
>>333052994
They cannot be connected because you defeat Manus and stop the Abyss forming in Oolacile hundreds of years before New Londo is even built.
>>333053004
If you feel that it's a problem with the game, then you really should present an argument as to why invasions are a bad thing that shouldn't be included in the game, I get that you don't like it, but there's a fine line between personal preference and legitimate design issues, and I don't think a handful of troll invasions somehow make the entire system worthless and something that should be removed
>>333053137
except that Oolacile and New Londo overlap. You don't stop the Abyss in the past, you prevent it from growing any further. It had already creeped up underneath New Londo by the time you stop it. See the map viewer in >>333053130
Is The Abyss just a darkness that spreads but leaves the structures behind or does it eventually just consume everything into a flat plane void like the one you fight the Four Kings in?
If its the latter, why does Fraampt want to live in a world that is nothing but that? Surely that would get kinda boring after a while.
>>333053169
Do you have brain damage? Being forced against your will to be exposed to griefers just to use the co-op feature is shitty. How many different ways do you need me to say this?
>>333045860
Rollerino
>>333053342
No it's not, you're just a giant faggot.
>>333053323
it consumes everything, leaving nothing but a void, if it's allowed to exist for long enough.
why the sneks want this is anyone's guess, although you're thinking of Kaathe, not Frampt
>>333052714
http://slickdeals.net/f/8631466-evga-gtx-960-sc-4gb-155-no-rebates-w-jet-com-new-customer-coupon?src=catpagev2
Get it while its hot senpai
>>333053342
the game will not hand you ez victories without an associated risk. if you wanna put the game on no-effort mode, the game will find other ways to introduce challenge. the Reds are your punishment for your cowardice
>>333048930
I had no intention of using a shield in DS3 and two-handing everything instead, but this just seals the fucking deal right here.
I get the feeling both of those weapons are fairly late game, though.
>>333044636
Dickwratih
For nutting in justicetards boiholes
>>333053342
And this is why I said the series isn't for you, because the griefers, as much as you hate them, are part of the experience. You're supposed to lose souls, time, and co-op partners to them, that's how the game works, you still haven't presented a good argument as to why this is somehow a bad thing that goes against the game or shouldn't be included.
Losing things to griefers isn't inherently bad, and getting invaded is supposed to be both against your will, this game is about risk vs. reward, about sacrifice, and about loss. The invasion mechanic reflects all of that, has a large amount of content dedicated to it, and is agreed upon by the vast majority of the playerbase to be important and the developers clearly intended this to be the case. Can you provide any arguments that disprove this, beyond you personally disliking the system? Because you not liking it doesn't make it bad.
>>333053469
i don't live in freedomland and fuck importing
i'll just try to reduce the graphics to n64 level to get 60 fps and then buy a real mans gpu if it doesn't work out
>>333053449
Yes it is, you just have brain damage.
>>333053559
Stop responding if you aren't going to read the reply chain.
>>333053650
>And this is why I said the series isn't for you
You are clinically fucking retarded. I cannot help you, I give up.
>>333053641
There is no Darkwraith covenant. Anyone can use the red eye orb.
>>333053776
Rosaria's fingers are red phantoms you douche.
>>333053765
I'm sorry that you can't come up with a reasonable argument to go against what I say, and resort to insults instead. I hope you find the thing you're looking for anon, I don't think you should use it, and I'm not sure it exists, but if you find it then feel free, I hope you enjoy the game that way, and enjoy co-op the way you want to.
>>333053130
>that interconnectivity
>that cohesive world
So there's two different forest covenants now?
Thank fuck I loved bellkeepers and forest fags but rats were a bit shitty. Gonna be so much fun maxing out each one
>>333053881
They also aren't Darkwraiths.
>>333053964
I'm sorry that you can't process the simplest of arguments even when repeated 5+ times in different ways. I have no desire to endlessy reword the same two arguments because you are unable of comprehending them and responding appropriately. I am sorry you have terminal brain cancer and would rather talk than think.
>>333054073
Well my red sword is still gonna use your ass as a sheath.
>>333048930
Hot damn!
>>333048930
Holy fuck I loved the crazzzy moveset from artorias' sword from the first one
>>333051973
You reply chain is you being retarded and not being able to see a clear difference between 2 different covenants.
>>333054169
You have literally provided ZERO argument on your behalf other than "i dun like griefers ; (".
I don't like invasions either but you're just a special kind of faggot who thinks everything needs to bend over to his will. The other guy is right, go play some other game, you are literally too much of a casual manbaby to enjoy this one.
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