Are souls games JRPGs?
>>333031905
no. they're JWRPGs.
>>333031905
They are genrefluid RPGs
They're ARPGs
>>333032075
this
>>333031905
Yes.
More specifically, they are Japanese Action RPGs.
Yes
The only reason why people are afraid to call them jrpgs is because they're afraid to admit they like jrpgs
>>333032143
jarpiggies
All I'll say is that I'll never grasp what idiotic logic people use to think that the J or W in JRPG or WRPG refers to where the game was geographically made rather than its genre. We don't have JFPSs or WTPSs or JRTSs or WRacing Games. And that's because we don't classify games on where they are geographically made.
JRPG is a genre, it is named as such because the GENRE originated in Japan. But it is a genre and it describes a type of game. It doesn't matter if it was made in the USA, Iran or Russia, if it is designed like a JRPG then its a JRPG.
Genres describe game design. Not where games are made. It's that fucking simple. JRPG and WRPG are no exception to this.
I've never heard metroidvania games referred to as JRPGs, and that's probably the closest comparison to souls games: action oriented combat, rpg mechanics, lots of bosses and focus on exploration.
Yet I see this is somehow a point of contention with the souls series, people not wanting them classified as jrpgs vs people who are dead set on calling them jrpgs.
Personally I go with the metroidvania thought on this series, I think they are japanese action games with RPG elements
>>333031905
WRPG
>>333032373
Because Dork Souls is a Japanese Role Playing Game.
>>333032668
Really they just don't want to admit it's a Japanese game because of weeaboo accusations.
>>333031905
Are you asking if a series of role playing games created by Japanese developers are Japanese role playing games?
>>333033942
Why are people shamed for liking japanese games when japan makes the best video games
>>333031905
no "jrpg" just refers to cliches rather than where it was actually made
dark souls etc are action rpg's / dungeon crawlers albeit pretty light on the dungeon crawling
jrpgs have always been simplified style over substance versions of old crpgs like wizardry which is of course where the turnbased menu combat came from originally
>>333031905
They're action-RPGs
They don't have typical J- or WRPG features, so both would be a wrong answer
>>333034232
>They don't have typical J- or WRPG features
The only typical JRPG feature is being an RPG made in Japan.
>>333032373
The idiotic logic is in using the word "japanese" to name a genre which is not defined by its geographical origin, you fucking idiot.
>>333034368
Calling something Japanese can only describe its nation of origin.
>>333031905
The W or J is based on region adding Action or not is the gameplay factor. If you enjoy souls you enjoy a Japanese Action RPG or fucking JARPG
>>333031905
You have to understand that people call it a JRPG to anger the dudebros who only play western RPGs and talk shit about japanese games.
>>333031905
jRPG isn't a different genre from wRPG, they just refer to where it was made.
It doesn't mean "Final Fantasy"
>>333031905
If it's made in Japan you technically can't be wrong when you say it is a Japanese RPG
>>333031905
They are not even RPG games
They're japanese action adventure games with character customisation.
>>333031905
Not really no. they look too western to be considered jrpgs. thats just me though.
They're boring
>>333034752
>thats just me though
It isn't just you, there are lots of wrong people.
They don't cater to my otaku weebism quite like other japanese games do, so no.
>>333034658
This
Dork Souls is basically DMC, calling it an RPG is fucking retarded
>>333034805
are you agreeing with me?
>>333034920
No, I'm disagreeing that it's just you because there are plenty of wrong people. Someone who is right would have understood that, but you aren't.
>>333034905
I always thought it resembled Castlevania more.
They're video games
>>333032373
>>333033756
>>333034224
What all the people don't get is that there is no actual definition of what a jrpg and a wrpg is. The whole terms were just made when a bioware developer refered how their games are superior than those "jrpgs" such as final fantasy.
The other thing that people don't even know that the western action-rpg games are massively originated from japan, while turn based japanese games are massively originated from the west.
castlevania, monster hunter or nier is also a wrpg for you? if not then souls is only a wrpg because it has a more realistic artstyle? then the shittons of japanese classics with realistic artstyles are also "western" games for you? etc.
>>333034985
>>333034985
I'm not sure how I'm not right? literally everytime someone has a wrpg vs jrpg discussion the art style seems to come into play. the aesthetics in the souls games dont have a thing in common with jrpgs.
>>333035286
>literally everytime someone has a wrpg vs jrpg discussion the art style seems to come into play
Because those people are wrong. Being vocal does not make them right. If someone references the nation of origin, they are only referring to the nation of origin.
>>333035286
>Filesize
Kill yourself.
>>333031975
>jewrpgs
That sums up FROM policies nicely.
>>333035262
wrpg / jrpg doesn't really mean anything just another way to differentiate games into subgenres or whatever like this guy points out with his shitty tumblr image >>333035286
but dark souls etc certainly does qualify as an rpg in the classical sense
>>333035286
>realistic artstyle is invented by the west
>when 90% of the classics are japanese, and like half of those had realistic arstyle
>>333035559
I will agree that it does qualify in the classical sense.
They're dungeon crawlers.
DaS1 lies somewhere outside of the WRPG-JRPG spectrem if you ask me.
Who the fuck cares, honestly?
>>333031905
Their gameplay focus is fairly different from the games we usually refer to as JRPGs, though they fit the technical definition.
I think Action-RPG is a better descriptor.
>dark souls
>any form of rpg games
no they're hack and slash games
>>333035559
but that's the point, that even their names are dumb in the first place
calling dark souls a Western rpg is fucking dumb when action rpgs are originated from japan, and japan used realistic artstyle much sooner before the west started making wortwhile games with realistic artstyles
there is absoultely no point in refering to dark souls as a "western" game unless you purely refering how it has a medieval european fantasy setting.
>>333035802
>action rpgs are originated from japan, and japan used realistic artstyle much sooner before the west started making wortwhile games with realistic artstyles
Didn't the Japanese copy western games like Wizardry?
>>333035262
>he whole terms were just made when a bioware developer refered how their games are superior than those "jrpgs" such as final fantasy.
how underage are you?
>>333035918
>Didn't the Japanese copy western games like Wizardry?
that's my point, those games become what you call as a JRPG
what people call "japanese rpgs" are originated from the west
and what people call "western rpgs" are originated from japan
>>333035996
>he doesn't know how those terms become a thing while calling others underages
A JRPG is basically a tabletop game, all that cringy from /tg/ on a video game, thats basicaly it.
WRPG is basically unnessacry shit on a action game, imagine if DS had no level ups, no stats and none of the boring shit, it would be great.
>>333035918
yes.
>>333035802
even if japan use what you consider to be "realistic" art it was still highly stylized to cater to japanese audiences so im not sure what point your trying to make. souls are quite obviously trying to cater to a western market.
>>333036112
Those terms were used long before Bioware acted like hot shit over them. They weren't even doing that until they had turned to shit themselves.
>>333035262
>The whole terms were just made when a bioware developer refered how their games are superior than those "jrpgs" such as final fantasy.
U fucking wot?
JRPG is an acronym for Japanese Role Playing Game and was used long before Bioware existed.
Pls go back to redit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpuRcmPnSTM&feature=player_embedded
>>333034368
>The idiotic logic is in using the word "japanese" to name a genre which is not defined by its geographical origin
Like French food made in the UK? Or Iranian architecture in Europe? Or Italian western movies made in the United States?
Fuck off retard
>>333036205
they were just as stylized as souls games are, and souls is pretty big in japan, mostly influenced by the berserk manga and that wasn't made to appeal to western audiences either
>>333036289
I'm guessing he's referring to this?
http://kotaku.com/5538236/bioware-on-final-fantasy-xiii-not-an-rpg
So I guess nobody was calling them JRPGs before 2010. Truly sasuga desu anon-chansenpai.
>>333036551
>nobody was calling them JRPGs before 2010
But that is wrong.
>>333036289
>>333035996
>>333036284
jrpgs as shortenings of japanese role playing games existed before of course
people only started to refer to them as "turn based games with anime artstyle" after bioware called them as ones
don't be this fucking dense to not understand this
>>333036601
I was being sarcastic, friend.
>>333036702
I'm not your friend, buddy.
>>333036638
That is not even close to what you said, but you're still wrong anyway.
>>333036759
Yes you are motherfucker.
You have to be fucking autistic to argue this much about semantics. At the end of the day "JRPG" isn't a term with an easily defined, solid meaning. Who cares if the game fits everyones conception of a JRPG? What matters is that these games are consistently good.
I'm starting to get a little burnt out though, and I'd like to see what other devs can do to make similar games that differentiate similar games from the souls series.
>>333036638
Nigger I remember talking about how much I loved JRPGs back when the Final Fantasy 9 was new.
>>333035286
I'd really like you to inform me what the art style shared by SMT, Dragon Quest and Super Mario RPG is.
>>333037103
and? it was a japanese role playing game, people could shorten that as jrpg
what I'm trying to say that people didn't tryied to definiate jrpgs as "turn based games with animeish artstyle", but simply japanese rpgs.
if that was still the case people wouldn't question if ds is a japanese rpg or not
>>333032373
so they're WRPGs?
>>333031905
Yes. Japanese RPG include T-RPG, A-RPG and Classic RPG. Souls games are JRPG and ARPG.
ITT: Autism.
>>333031905
combo imho, combines the best of both and lets you choose how to play.
and, going in jrpg kill everything speedy action anime style doesn't exactly work out great unless you have godlike reactions.
been playing demons souls this week, loving how regardless of how you play the non boss battles feel like you're in a medieval war.
DeS yes
DaS barely
DaS2 nope
Bb nope
souls games are no more JRPGs than zelda games are
B-BEARER OF THE CURSE...ahn~
>>333039114
why is everyone so gay on this board
>>333031905
JRPG is a genre, just because an RPG game is made in japan doesn't automatically qualify it as a JRPG
>>333031905
These aren't RPGs, they're hack'n'slashes.
H&S is an old term for action games usually focused around close combat with swords and other melee weapons. These games lack RPG elements, like complex dialogues, moral choices and character building, but take some inspiration from numerical systems for increasing the player's strength with levels - a feature that's now prevalent among many, many games.
It's a roleplaying game from Japan.
But it's not a themepark story-driven RPG with tactical combat, which is what people normally associate the term "JRPG".
"WRPGs" are more open-ended and choice-driven with action based combat by comparison.
Souls games are dungeon crawler RPGs by genre though, just FYI.
Not filled with faggotry and diversity, so no.
I think we have gotten to a point where Dark Souls and souls like games should have their own board
>>333035286
this is the most retarded comparison i have ever seen.
>>333031905
Made in Japan. It's a JRPG.
It shouldn't be a hard concept but it is for some reason.
>>333041095
Except that's not how the term is used. Westerners can make JRPGs and vice-versa. It's a genre.
I don't get the argument
How in any way is Dark Souls a WRPG? It's made in Japan so that gives it at least one point towards being a JRPG but a WRPG? There's no reason to think that
>>333035559
>certainly does qualify as an rpg in the classical sense
Where's the fuckin' THAC0?
>>333032373
That's like saying Avatar: The Last Airbender and Legend of Korra are anime because they copy the style, even though they weren't made in japan.
>All I'll say is that I'll never grasp what idiotic logic people use to think that the J or W in JRPG or WRPG refers to where the game was geographically made rather than its genre
Maybe some people thing that words have fucking meaning, you infantile goober.
Yeah. I GET IT. jrpg and wRPG are genres.
Genres define by geographic origin of the games used to define them.
>>333042013
normies actually think this
Dark souls is a TPS (Third Person Slasher)
Dark Souls is a souls-like
>>333036408
>Italian western movies made in the U.S.
There are none of those.
>>333041379
That's how it has always been. Jesus Christ.
>>333031905
>rpgs
>Japanese
Yes
>>333041379
>It's a genre.
It is not a genre.
>>333031905
They're japanese action RPGS. JARPGs.
>>333044014
Of course it is.
JRPGs are not simply "RPGS from Japan". They are "Japanese-styled RPGs".
>>333044950
>JRPGs are not simply "RPGS from Japan". They are "Japanese-styled RPGs".
Source: your ass
JRPGs are simply RPGs made in Japan since forever.
>>333044335
You play them on a computer (PC or console) so they're technically CJARPGs.
>>333044950
>"Japanese-styled RPGs"
There's approximately one of those in the world. Nice genre.
