What do you think of this?
He's a stupid frogposter but I don't entirely disagree
>>333019661
It's kinda true, trying to get back into deus ex is arduous.
I first played Deus Ex two years ago, and over that time it has become my favorite game ever. So the game has a lot more going than simple nostalgia.
This is now a 10/10 thread
Opinions.
You can't have a true 10/10. Perfection isn't possible. So in that sense sure it's true.
>>333019661
Two different opinions of two different people, not representative of anything whatsoever.
>>333020050
This. DX has top-tier level design, atmosphere, and reactivity. People hugely undersell reactivity's importance in satisfying game design, esp. in RPGs and similar genres where choice (mechanical or narrative) plays a role.
>there is no perfect 10/10
WRONG
RIP AND MOTHERFUCKING TEAR
>>333021478
10/10 doesn't mean a game is "perfect." Or it shouldn't, rather. It's not a math test.
>"This game is old? Well, if you like it, that's just nostalgia."
Csgo is the closest thing to a perfectly balanced multiplayer game in popular "esports"
Near perfect design warrants 10/10?
>>333021697
>backtracking and mazes
>b-but it's complex!!!!!!!!!!!
FFX is a 10/10 and it isn't that old
>>333019903
I'm pretty young, but I picked up Deus Ex original after playing HR because I loved it so much and many people suggested the original Deus Ex
I can really tell that there is a great game hidden underneath the clunky controls, but I just can't do it. There are many ways to proceed through each area, collectables that matter, good story... I had fun, but at times the controls were so infuriating for me that I couldn't continue.
It's a shame, but it just doesn't hold up to today's standards.
>>333022175
fuck off kiddo. csgo is a shit game that's only popular because of skins and gambling
>>333021478
Does that mean any rubric should have its highest category be unattainable?
>>333022295
>muh mazes
>>333022623
>kiddo
(You)
>>333023431
kiddo
>>333023431
He's right though. Who the fuck puts RNG in bullet spread?
>>333022879
Walking through the same area twice or more makes me want to stop a game.
I rather have a carefuly crafted one time experience than a consoluted mess of "choices".
>>333021556
Couldn't agree more, it blew my mind the amount of options you had to finish objectives or defeat a boss. Not to mention the detail put into the backstories of NPCs is phenomenal, I was skeptical of its GOAT status, but after a few playthroughs I couldn't agree more.
>>333024606
The RNG in that game increases the skill ceiling though
Otherwise spraying would be op
>>333022565
Are you me?
Seriously though, it's downright depressing to me that I want a remake of DX1 only for the controls. I even find the Lego graphics charming. The controls, the movement... they're just so fucking shit, is there no way around it? I really don't want to resort to watching the game in its entirety on YouTube.
>>333024674
Nigga it takes like five seconds if you do an SR50
>>333019661
What I love about Deus Ex is that you can tell it was designed by programmers. You think "I'd love to have a log about the convos I've had with characters", and you have that. You think about inventory management, you got it. It's such a well crafted game.
>>333019661
I really think every 'favourit game/genre/rank thread needs to provide context on whether it's nostalgia or whether the game in question is still good by modern standards
Goldeneye is in my top 10 nostalgia wise, but there are better shooters to play today that have more satisfying controls.
>>333026580
The problem with that is people are stupid and take offence to calling their favourite media nostalgic, even though nostalgia isn't a derogatory term.
I think it's great that every time a thread with a Frogpost is made on /v/, it's deleted pretty quickly. Those threads tend to be low quality.
He is a dumb frogposter, this is still my 10/10 favorite video game and I played it again quite recently
/v/ promotes good games in my opinion. Only game I played that /v/ led me to only to be disappointed was persona 3 but I don't play weeb games or a fan of typical RPGs.
>>333019661
It's a lie. I didn't know Deus Ex existed until last year and I loved it.
Nah, favourite games are allowed to be shit.
To call it 10/10 it has to be good regardless of age because 10/10 implies a game so good you almost can't fault it, so it shouldn't really age other than maybe graphically.
Favourite games can be due to nostalgia because you're just saying you like it
My favourite game is fucking shit
>>333027105
>even though nostalgia isn't a derogatory term
It sort of is.
Nostalgia implies that your love has less to do with objective evaluation than it does with a sentimental longing for the experiences of the relevant time period.
People tend to be nostalgic for their childhood, a period of no responsibilities, fun, immaturity, etc., not their mid 30s.
Dark Souls is a clear example proving this wrong.
Also frog posters are ledditor fucks who should be banned
>>333020910
eh, I'd say 9.5
>>333019661
Played it for the first time last year. Beaten it four times since.
>I speel my drink!
>>333027649
This
>inb4 hur hur implying dark souls is good
>>333025352
RNG lowers the skill ceiling because it means that every person out there can miss or hit due to unrelated factors. It means that no matter how good you are, you will get fucked over by bad RNG at some point.
>>333019661
Well one of them is a retarded frog poster who uses ebic greenarrows to drive his """""""""""""""""""""""point""""""""""""""""""""""""""" and one of them posted their personal 10/10 game.
>>333027757
>you were actually serious
>people complainging about controls
Maybe right
hang on here
what if
ok
you know you can
literally
change them
There's no denying the default bindings are retarded
>; for reload
>] for zoom in
>r and f for looking up and down
>torch bound to F12
>>333021478
FUCK
OFF
WITH
THIS
SHIT
MEME
>>333027950
What the fuck is even the point of the look up/down/right/left controls? I just unbound them entirely.
>>333024606
>>333027757
>RNG in bullet spread
>when every single weapon in the game has a specific bullet spray pattern.
>>333028047
After x amount of bullets you get a random one outside of the pattern since a patch not too long ago.
Deus Ex has been a 10/10 here since the board became a thing.
>>333028029
I think every action is bound to a keyboard key by default, isn't Shoot ctrl or something? That might be Doom
Deus Ex keyboard only playthrough incoming
>>333028107
Why the fuck would they do that
>>333028263
People became too good at the game, after all these years they know the pattern by heart and basically headshot people from anywhere mid-burst.
Don't you dare get too good anon. Isn't Valve notorious for balancing things for average players?
frogposters should kill themselves
inb4 le reee
>>333028440
Well I guess it's back to Melee then
>>333028029
DID YOU KNOW mouselook in FPS games didn't used to be standard? It wasn't until the "mlook" bind for Quake became popular as fuck, that it started becoming widely used, although some other games played with it somewhat.
Even then, for a decent while, FPS controls were still configured with the idea that a player might not be using the mouse to free look. Hence, keys to look up and down, side to side, and center the view.
>>333028107
What the fuck, really? I thought this csgo hate was just /v/ being /v/. Ofc you learn the bullet spray path, thats literally how u git gud.
>>333028107
>>333028263
>>333028440
is this the next level samefag bait
>>333028793
What?
>>333028793
>Replying to another anon's post which replied to you is samefagging
Oki dokey.
>>333019661
>play dude sex
>having fun
>suddenly there's water
>my computer fucking screeches to a halt
I can play most games fine, fuck this game.
>>333028853
>>333028859
None of these statements are true, and the other guy believed him without demanding an adequate proof.
>>333028948
Surely that has never happened on /v/ before.
>>333022565
I played Deus Ex well after HR and I got through it just fine. I thought it actually had charm for being so old. I used graphics mods and stuff.
>>333027649
Dark Souls is not a good game. It is liked solely by faggy hipsters who thought Skyrim was too mainstream.
>>333021826
Fucking this.
Older games are a lot fucking better (most of the time). Not because of nostalgia, but because they werent made for the big public and the games industry wasnt held hostage by sjws. A lot of games are dumbed down, because "everyone should be able to play them". If you look at rpg's, for example. Planescape: Torment sometimes has 15 different dialogue options. Baldurs Gate: if your companion dies, he is fucking dead and the game gets a shitton harder without them. In action games: Duke Nukem was a fucking man. Misogenistic as fuck, none of that sjw shit you see in games today. There is no need for a transgendered foxkin or whatever the fucking bullshit these idiots come up with.
/blog
>>333029218
I wanted to add, the only people who say shit like *you like these older games only because nostalgia* are either 15 year olds, *trolls* or they havent played any of these games.
I 'finished' PS:T last year and Baldurs gate a month ago. Fucking awesome.
>>333021697
Step aside. The King has come for his throne.
>>333029218
>Duke Nukem was a fucking man. Misogenistic as fuck, none of that sjw shit you see in games today.
Douk was a parody of shitty action heroes you fucking retard.
>>333029591
Still try to create a character who can do the shit he does in western games today. Guaranteed shitstorm.
>>333029218
>Duke Nukem was a fucking man. Misogenistic as fuck,
Duke is a chauvinist, you fucking moron. He just loves booty, explosions and himself.
>>333019661
All I see is bait anymore.
>play morrowind
>go for a walk
>encounter some shitter enemy
>miss nearly every swing
i wanted to like morrowind but that got old real quick
>inb4 no stamina/shit character
>>333021478
>10/10 means perfect
Every fucking time
>>333029591
>>333029782
Do you idiots even get the fucking point. I dont care how the fuck you call what he is. Just fucking >>333029714
Stupid dumb frogposter
>>333029981
Even your retort is false when it comes to Duke. He DID receive an insane amount of backlash but it did not come from the gaming sphere which was very much still isolated from the mainstream audience.
The SJWs of today are nothing more than the natural evolution of "concerned mothers" that thought that Duke Nukem and Doom would turn us all into the next Columbine shooters.
The difference nowadays is that since gaming went mainstream, those some fringe elements of yesteryear have integrated into this as well. Still on the fringe, still having the same retarded arguments. The difference is that because gaming is such a new industry compared to theater or film with a self esteem issue, it allows these fringe elements to take centre stage in hopes of being considered more "mature" and self respecting without realizing that nobody fucking cares about their didactic bullshit.
DNF was a good example of this crap. Whatever you thought about the end result of that game, it was abundantly clear that SJWs in high positions in editorial and on the review staff had a clear bias for the title. Look at Jim Sterling's or Ben Kuchera's review for the game. It makes you seethe with rage at the bullshit SJW complaints they create. And don't forget that at the year 2011, we didn't even call them SJW .
>>333030692
Reply
>>333030692
>The difference nowadays is that since gaming went mainstream, those some fringe elements of yesteryear have integrated into this as well.
Thats the fucking problem but
>Still on the fringe, still having the same retarded arguments.
Is just not true. They were concerned with us turning into columbine shooters. These SJWs are not at all concerned with that shit. They are just worried that in character creation you can only pick male/female or that a female cant be as strong as a man.
>The difference is that because gaming is such a new industry compared to theater or film with a self esteem issue, it allows these fringe elements to take centre stage in hopes of being considered more "mature" and self respecting without realizing that nobody fucking cares about their didactic bullshit.
>nobody fucking cares about their didactic bullshit.
This is just not true. Gamers dont care. Companies are fucking scared of being called discriminating against all sexes. Only Japanese devolpers can save us now. They dont give a fuck about this sjw shit.
>>333020050
Seconding this. I played it for the first time last year and it completely blew me away.
>>333020910
A little rough, don't you think?
>>333029551
>likes D3D
>probably shits on borderlands
Duke was meme as fuck and far worse about abusing it.
>>333034072
stolen movie lines aside it was a legit great game
>>333019661
what mods do i need to make Deus Ex bearable for a video game player that hasn't played it yet
>>333019661
I think he's an underage shitposter.
I first played Deus Ex only a few years back and thought it was great. Yeah it's a bit hard to get into first, but once you get used to it, it's fucking amazing. Definitely deserves it's spot as a classic.
>>333034562
New Vision and Shifter. These two will pretty much keep the original game in tact, but with few little extras.
New Vision upgrades the graphics. Doesn't make it absolutely amazing, but much less shitty
Shifter is kind of like a DLC which I recommend, it doesn't take anything away, but instead adds in few bonus content that is consistent with the story, and some bug fixes. Some useless weapons are revised to be worth looking into.
I don't recommend playing Revision before the original, because it is more like a remake. Map are completely redesigned, enemy AI works differently, etc.
Same with morrowind tbqh family
Getting past the janky controls I've never player a game with a more inspired and still coherent world. Except torment but it's unfair to the others to include that
>>333022565
what's wrong with controls? they're literally standard FPS controls. or are you too stupid to configure your own keybinds?
>>333022565
>>333025690
DX1's controls are super simple, and you can bind and rebind pretty much every function
If you enjoyed HR, I cannot fathom how DX1's controls are clunkier or more difficult
I played DX a bit before HR came out and I still enjoyed it more than HR.
All the different ways you can do shit is awesome.
>mfw I dragged a poison barrel in front of a room full of guards and used it to everyone with poison
>>333028948
Do you really think someone would do that, just go on the internet and tell lies?
>>333035753
My nigger. My favorite trick when it's viable, is just tapping gas drums instead of smashing them.
Then they still leak poison, but you can use them as barracades and trap people in the gas while they're doing it.
>>333021075
Literal ps2 game that was hastily changed to 360 at the end of its life. It was pretty bad back when it released, but playing it now is a fucking joke, it has aged like horse feces
>>333019661
sometimes it's nostalgia, like with FF7.
other times it's because the game is good, like with Super Mario 64.
>>333020050
Second hand nostalgia
You're told something is good so you think it's good, kind of like the placebo effect
Social pressure can make anything good or bad, that's why culture exists
>>333040276
>PS2
>360
Are you for real? The game is a PC game and it looks and plays fantastically even to this day.
It's probably the height of FPS AI (yeah I know a lot of it's due to good level design too, but hay, it fucking works.
The console versions are shit ports. I tried the PS3 version once and hated it. If you aren't playing FEAR on PC you shouldn't play it at all. FEAR on PC is literally a 10/10 goat masterpiece though and one of the last truly good FPS's ever released.
>>333040276
>ps2
>360
jesus fucking christ kill yourself
>>333040276
>playing on console
you deserve everything you get.
>>333029218
Muh SJW bogeyman
>>333040442
kek
>>333040276
>consoles
There is your problem. FEAR, like Max Payne, is one of those games you just can't play on a console.
I played FEAR on console first and hated it. Game was fucking trash, then I see people online talking about how good it was and just didn't understand. Then people told me to try it on PC, so I eventually did and holy fuck it's an entirely new experience. The PC version just plays so much fucking better than the console version.
I had the same thing with Max Payne, played them on Xbox and they were fucking shit, but on PC they were amazing.
FEAR is literally a 10/10 game on PC. But a 5/10 average shitfest on console.
>>333022295
Nigga it's a simple building not a maze. You also move so fast that back-tracking means dick
>>333040772
Of all the replies, yours is the only one that wasnt a fagfest. Ill try the pc version hopefully it wont have all the shitty disjointed animation and pathetic AI that the console has
>>333028047
I still cant play it because the game fucking hates me. I shoot someone with an AWP in the chest and/or head and they not only dont die but they don't take damage. It even leaves a blood splatter and bullet hole on the wall right behind them. This happens almost 50% of the time
>>333022359
2001 was 15 years ago
>>333041149
This sounds extremely over exaggerated.
>>333029591
Who exactly was he parodying? And no, parroting someone's lines is not a parody.
>tfw I want to enjoy deus ex but can't because of how poorly it aged
>>333035424
Fuck yeah nwah.
Also OpenMW will soon provide a way to modernize Morrowind without removing most of its mechanics.
>>333019661
Most of the time, yeah.
There are games that still hold up very well today though.
Doom, Prince of Persia Sands of Time, UT, God of War 1&2, early Splinter Cell games and Jedi Knight 2&3 are a few.
>>333041149
welcome to hit detection in source games
>shoot guy
>client detects a hit, draws blood effects and tells the server, and it does so in that order because fuck you
>in the time it takes this information to reach the server the guy has moved enough from its perspective that he isn't where you were aiming anymore
>server responds 'lol you missed'
tf2 does the same shit
I recently played Deus Ex, Fallout 2, Blood and I thought they were amazing and have a lot more going than nostalgia. You have to have a lot of patience with older games like Deus Ex and many people on /v/ don't have that.
>>333040998
>fagfest
you are a fucking "fagfest" kill yourself.
>>333042610
>being this butthurt in the year of our lord 2016AD
Go back to masturbating over cartpon ponies you PC faggot
>>333035539
We live in an age where people don't bother rebinding keys and if a game's default keybinds aren't from Call of Duty, they're considered outlandish, outdated and wierd.
>>333021556
>atmosphere
Holy fucking kek
>>333040442
This shit is as bad as the "internalised misogyny" meme.
>>333040840
This.
How anyone could complain about backtracking in Doom when you move at the speed of fucking sound in this game is beyond me.
>>333042673
Your unparalleled level of obscene faggotry compelled me to insult you. But I bet you get that everywhere you go.
>>333019661
>muh nostalgia
History isn't a linear progression from worse to better, new games aren't good by default and don't become worse just because time passes.
>>333022565
>there are people in the year 2016 who can't rebind fucking keys
/v/ doesn't even like games because of nostalgia. They like obscure games simply because they don't want to be considered mainstream or labeled with bad taste. I had never heard of games like Deus Ex, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Planetscape Torment, etc. before coming here, despite playing games my whole life. I've tried all of those games on /v/'s recommendation and they're hot garbage.
/v/ wasn't even old enough to be around for those games. They're just "muh secret club" status trash that any serious gamer wouldn't touch.
>>333043908
>this bait
Here's the (you) that you wanted
>>333043687
>gets called a faggot
>"n-non you!"
Ebin
>Deus Ex is too clunky waaah
Jesus fucking Christ, just play with GMDX.
>>333042603
>Blood
I really want to get into that game, but the fucking mousefix doesn't really work for me at all. Seriously what the fuck were they thinking when they designed the build engine.
Blood redux when?
>>333022565
>Rebinding keys is too much work
Fucking retard. You don't even need to rebind that many keys to make it akin to modern fpses.
>>333043978
>getting so verbally slammed on an indonesian macrame forum you insult your own posts
poor form
>>333045365
>being this much of a cuck
Wew lad
>>333040442
stop talking
>>333019661
Old games were genuinely better for the kind of people who were around to play them. It's not so much nostalgia, but more that the nature of the average game has changed to appeal to a different audience, and so the modern game does not appeal like the old one does. It's a double-effect so you see it so much more often.
