>not gook infested
>highest skill cap
>doesn't require autistic game knowledge of 100s of heroes
>easy to follow even if you don't play the game
>most exciting to watch, because it's action packed from the start and every kill is so important
>>332992547
Sure I guess. Comp matchmaking will be fun.
TF2 is the only really good shooter that is still active anymore. Any amount of crying over cosmetics and muh community isn't going to change that.
>>332992547
I ran HL/HL2 mod servers since the original CS betas, but TF2 going F2P finally broke my will. The sheer influx of foreigners and noobs was more than I could deal with...or maybe I just got old.
Then again, that was what 6-7 years ago?
When the fuck would I ever need FOUR spies on a team?
>>332992706
i enjoy the cosmetics
the only people that don't are unfashionable or poor
>>332992930
Don't forget lazy.
>>332992547
nah just ponyfucker infested
Thats enough to make it a shit game.
>>332993350
>being this autistic
baka
>launch tf2
>press play now
>load into an empty server
>close tf2
>>332992547
its 7 years and they still haven't fixed the weapon animations
there's no individual skill in tf2
>>332992547
TF2 is awful. The classes have stagnated and the variety is awful. I'll wait for overwatch, at least there will be some variety to look forward to.
>>332993554
At least tf2 isnt developed by a bunch of feminist cucks
>>332993554
20 tic.
>>332993554
T W E N T Y
W
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T
Y
>>332993496
>not opening the classic, standard server browser like everyone else
>not playing on official valve servers, always filled to the brim and with the widest variety of player skills ranging from pubstomping professionals down to the very bottom feeders
>>332993864
What's even more ridicilous is that they ask for a full price. I would MAYBE buy it if it costed 15€
>>332993951
THICK
>>332993554
>I'll wait for overwatch, at least there will be some variety to look forward to.
Overwatch is even less varied if anything, though.
>>332992547
The pacing is terrible for spectators so it will never be popular to watch.
However, it's by far the best FPS we have right now (in terms of relevancy) for raw skill.
>>332992547
>>not gook infested
Instead it's infested with autistics and tradefags if you play anything but hardcore competitive.
Any of you guys tried out matchmaking? I think it's pretty fun but have nobody to lobby up with.
>>332993554
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/708/952/914/activision-blizzard-please-remove-guns-from-your-game-%22overwatch.%22/
>>332993554
Just got done playing for a couple hours.
The problem with variety in Overwatch is that its forced. You have to constantly switch characters to counter other teams throughout the match. It's fucking stupid. Not to mention character stack cheesing.
>valve is going to nerf the fuck out of all the unlocks after MM exits beta
can't wait, the pub shitter tears will be delicious
>>332993496
>>332994514
False, even Valve servers have mid to high skilled players, idlers and traders get ridiculed and kicked, I wouldn't be surprised if you were overwatch shills.
so will comp teams be 5 demos + 1 medic?
or 4 demos +2 medic
>>332994875
>2 demos
>2 soldiers
>1 scout
>1 medic
wow that was hard to figure out
I think the game is great, it's just the community that sucks.
I tried playing not so long ago in that game mode in which two teams have to escort their bomb or whatever it was to the other team's base. I joined a game that's already started and both of the teams ended up roughly at the same level of progress. I rushed and almost got it in and as soon as I did so, I saw somebody say in the chat
>Who the hell is pushing the cart?
>it's Anon
>sb kick Anon
I have no idea what the fuck happened there
>>332994875
4 scouts 2 quickfix medics
>>332992930
I was all for cosmetics up until weapon skins. They look like shit in CS:GO and they look like shit here too
>>332993350
Find a good online game that isn't mlp fucker infested. Remember that fandom started on 4chan. We're the same demographic for video games, basically.
>>332994971
Do not enter in furry servers
>>332992930
have they lifted halloween restrictions yet?
it seems silly when there are so many non-halloween cosmetics that look just as ridiculous
>>332995023
I like the weapon skins, but the wear on them doesn't fit tf2 at all. Also the quality / skin system on tf2 is fucked. They need to consolidate it instead of mashing several systems together
>>332994875
Most likely will still be regular 6s lineup because it's the most fun and flexible setup. Sticky traps all over the place is good on paper but usually the maps are designed so that you really only need 2 demos to lockdown all the entrances and that other spot can usually be filled by the roamer and without scouts and soldiers medics are easily picked off and lit enemies can't be quickly cleaned up.
I used to play this game a lot, but then I got 20 backstabs in a row as spy and it felt like there wasn't anything to play for anymore.
>haven't played TF2 in 2+ years
>give it a try not too long ago
>all my old favorite servers are dead
>shit like killstreak weapons and strange hats exist
>can't trade up for hats like I used to because decent cosmetics cost multiple keys and keys cost like 20 ref now
What the fuck happened
>>332992547
Post more webms.
>>332994875
3 demo 3 medic used to steamroll everything else in beta
that's why comp teams are limited to 1 demo 1 medic
traditional 6v6 comp layout was 2 scout 2 solly 1 demo 1 medic
if you want to play one of the other classes you might as well play highlander
>>332995271
everyone now is so aware of spies that they are just about worthless
How can you define whether the shooter is competetive or not?
>>332994940
>not 1 stock medic + 1 quickfix medic
>>332995541
Is there a competitive scene?
If yes, then it's competitive
If no, then it's not
>>332993554
>press X to do a cool thing
>no further applications for that thing; a rocket jump is in one arc and one height
>meanwhile there's more room for skill in a single mechanic like soldier's rocketjumping then in an entire hero worth of design
no thanks
>>332995271
>You will never be good at Spy
>>332995089
>Find a good online game that isn't mlp fucker infested
Runescape
>>332995452
Demo is a lot weaker now so that's not as much the case. He is hard counter by scout and hard counters engineer. He can put out a lot of damage but can't finish people off and can't defend himself. He fits his niche well.
>>332995646
Basically every shooter can be competetive if it has multiplayer then.
>>332995541
Depends on how angry people get when they lose.
>>332995941
So is cards against humanity competitive? You play that with multiple people. Is 100% competitive? You play that with multiple people. Is Call of Duty competitive? You play that with multiple people.
>>332995941
wow you're a genius m8
>>332995408
A very, very big update.
http://www.teamfortress.com/gunmettle/
>>332995765
>5 years ago
Man time flies
>>332995941
Can, yes. You actually need a comp scene to be competitive.
>>332996157
I've seen CoH tournaments at conventions before.
is matchmaking open to public yet?
>>332994154
>40$ is full price.
>>332993554
A friend got into Overwatch beta and wasn't interested, so he let me use his account
After a while (level 7) I got the point of it, but was wondering why the fuck I wasn't just playing TF2 instead, which is way more fun
So I reinstalled and started playing TF2 for the first time in 5 years. I love that game.
I'm looking forward to matchmaking coming to fruition. It's been fun to play, hopefully it is the second wind that tf2 needs. Hoping this also revitalizes and grows the comp scene, enough for there to be meaningful lans in NA with meaningful prize pools.I'd like to find/join a team to play competitively with
too bad the tf2 dev team has a literal ponyfucker in it
guy even has a fucking mlp steam pic and all
>>332997262
who cares?
>>332997147
How many hours you got and what 6s classes can you play? Do you have a beta pass? I could use some more people.
>>332997298
I have principles
so I do
I was hoping for a tf2 thread because I think it's basically dead. Like matchmaking won't reinvigorate it, tf2 is too casual. Also the fact that any time I open the game now I have to see a bunch of fucking streamers pisses me off. Im just mad I hate tf2 I dont like competition i like jerking off on hightower.
>>332997380
that's retarded
whofighting amphibians
here
>>332992547
Anyone got that pic where you can tell what game people play from their steam avatar?
>>332997434
is that blood did he just get finished eating out a girl who was on her period
why is this allowed?
>>332997262
but jill's a pretty cool guy, comes into streams and gives beta passes for giveaways
>>332992547
Pretty fun
Just played a few rounds of TF2. Still a whole lot of fun, and I'm excited for competitive play, but the community's spark is gone. Weeabootique is gone, House of /v/irgins too, and quite a few more that I'm missing probably.
Also I defended TF2's cosmetics up until that robo hat update, after that I realized that there's way too many fucking hats. On the plus side there are so many cosmetics, Refined's gotten so low, and craft hats are three refined that you can get shitloads of new hats for super cheap. Whole market for everything besides unusuals just tanked.
>>332997420
>hightower fag
Kill yourself, TF2 is not about TDM and never should be.
>>332997532
>2016
>people still w+m1
why
>>332997374
I have 2600 hours
I play scout but can play roamer/gunboats pocket if needed
I have a beta passI can't play again until at least friday as I am out of town at the moment
before I get too involved, what are your stats?
>>332997532
>still haven't fixed laggy pyro flamethrowers
That shit is just ridiculous up there with melee and hits killing you behind walls.
>>332997713
nah senpai im not saying tdm. I just like fucking around. Idk there's no fun if I wanted to play a competitive game I wouldn't have unistalled CS:GO
>>332997713
>playing tf2 on my old account
>dated around 2007
>hit play now for payload race
>hightower
>get on the cart
>squeaker calls me an F2P retard for trying to play the game instead of team deathmatch
>>332997532
you're visibly teleporting in this webm which means your ping is at least 150
don't play on servers where you get 150 ping or fix your shitty internet/rate settings retard
>>332997713
I enjoy arena.
>>332997759
4700h demo main, new to 6s though.
Got two quake veterans on scout and roamer. Have a few other players but they're not available that often for various reasons. We need more dedicated players with free time. If nothing else if you want to sub in for our games that's cool too. Playing MM.
>>332997532
>Not using shotgun on pyro
>Getting zonned that hard
It's like the dude doesn't know the map or how to play pyro.
Is tf2 dead?
>>332998369
>It's like the dude doesn't know how to play pyro
of course not he's a pyro player lmao
>>332998527
Yes, everyone just stopped playing it today and every single server shut down.
>>332994048
>Join Valve server
>One team is always obliterating the other team
>Always only a small handful of players who are above average
>They are always on the same team
>Every other player is bottom scrub tier
This has been literally every game on a Valve server that I'v played these last few years. Where are these mythical servers people keep talking about?
>>332998312
sure man add me up
http://steamcommunity.com/id/katzy
>>332994795
This sounds to good to be true anon, source?
>>332998759
They don't exist.
The majority of the TF2 fanbase doesn't want to improve and just plays for the fucking cosmetics and silly weapons. Teamwork in pubs died with the F2P update.
>>332999006
>teamwork in pubs died
There was barely any of it ever. I would know, I'm closing in on 3000 hours and have played since 2007.
I don't get all the hate for TF2. It's actually a pretty fun game to just play in short bursts and someone who has only played 10 hours still has a pretty good chance against someone with 1000 hours.
in case anyone wasn't aware, valve is actually putting servers in areas they haven't before (parts of asia and south america) to get the br's and koreans out of NA games
>>332994795
What makes you think that, when stock is already the superior option to most classes?
>>332994971
plr_hightower is used for team deathmatch.
>>332992547
>>doesn't require autistic game knowledge of 100s of heroes
trying to git gud at spy is fucking demoralizing, it's made me insta-uninstall numerous times.
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>>332999262
>when stock is already the superior option to most classes?
lol no
>crit a cola, atomiser, basher
>amby, spicicle, c&d
>degreaser, reserve shooter, powerjack
>tomislav, sandvich, grus
>escape plan, reserve shooter
>ubersaw, crossbow
>widowmaker, wrangler
>jarate, bushwacka
>>332999502
>crit a cola
Stopped reading there
>>332999502
>>crit a cola, atomiser, basher
>using a crutch
stopped reading there
>>332999495
GET FOOD, GET LUNCHBOX!
LUNCHBOX - BEST FREE TF2 SNACKS!
Short Circuit is fairly amusing to use, though I do wish it had its old vaporization sound.
>>332999175
Barely any of it is still much better than none at all. Some attempt was made to work together, even if it was the occasional "medic and heavy are coming for the intel". Being useless or being a "friendly" was considered griefing your own team. The community was always casual but there was an understanding that you were playing a team based video game. It was fucking beautiful.
>>332992547
>esport
>no tournaments
>no prize pool
>no support from any leagues
it's a dead game and overwatch will take its place. sorry!
>>332999798
blizzard please
>>332999632
you are seriously saying that pistol is better than crit a cola?
>>332997434
chustlers a faggot
>>332999798
go away blizzard, this is a comfy tf2 thread.
>>332993554
Overwatch is a watered down TF2 with waifu bullshit tossed in to get weebs, gooks, and prepubescent squeakers into the literal circlejerk party. It's also overpriced as fuck for what it's giving you, it should be $30 max.
>>332999632
Crit a cola is one of the strongest unlocks in the game.
>No damage falloff
>Scout can now stand further away and still do high damage giving him plenty of time to dodge anything you throw at him
>Gets a movespeed boost on top of that
>For 10% more damage which doesn't change the TTK. Even if you landed a perfect max rampup rocket it wouldn't be enough to kill. You still need two.
Crit a cola in the hands of a good scout is fucking devastating.
>>332999798
t. blizzard employee
>>332999481
the trick to being good at spy is to play other classes
seriously, get a good handle on those and a lot of some core spy values come from (like what disguise to use where, how certain enemies will react to and defend against spies)
Personally I learned to play spy using the YER, it's pretty alright for practicing the use of your watches and how to approach enemies
>>332997532
>that autistic as fuck hud that tells you what fucking map you're playing
>>332999632
>>332999658
you should probably stop samefagging there
>>332999851
>>332999975
>>333000034
the amount of denial tf2 players are under is sickening. tf2 will only lose players at this point
>>333000070
If you play pyro I'm sure you can find this very useful
>>333000197
blizzard, stop
>>333000197
>tf2 will only lose players at this point
I'm glad that the players leaving are mostly kids, thx blizzard for helping to better the tf2 community
>>333000070
It's a stream spectator hud
>>332999502
>spycicle
>>333000000
>>333000197
Ok, you win, tf2 is dead, i going to hang myself now.you happy now faggot?
>>332997532
>using a flamethrower on pyro
>that asspie as fuck "pr0 g4ym3r tryhard" hud
please tell me this f2p isn't some big name streamer or something.
>>333000000
I can handle criticism, what's the prob
>>333000250
>reeeeeee he must be a blizzard employee
i hate blizzard. world of warcraft killed swg. i will never play any of their garbage ever, including overwatch which as casual as fuck. you're still in denial about the reality of the situation
>>333000363
kids are a vital part of growing a community and having a competitive game whether you like it or not
>>333000423
>lawn machine
>>333000363
for realsies, even though everyone is complaining about the mobile authenticator being needed to get in to matchmaking and stuff, I think it's a godsend because you have to be old enough to own a smart phone in order to play, it's a great child filter on valves behalf.
>>333000363
I grew up with TF2 and dropped this game.
It just isn't fun anymore.
>>333000520
>>that asspie as fuck "pr0 g4ym3r tryhard" hud
see >>333000371
retard
>>333000568
>I-I'm not gonna play it, but it will kill TF2, trust me!
Just stop
>>332998369
>>332998567
>not knowing how to play the easiest fucking class in gaming
>there are people who haven't played as Melee Only Heavy
This loadout would probably work better with the Mustachioed Mann since it's all-class now
>>333000614
>old enough to own a smart phone
>he's never seen a child with a smartphone
lol must be nice not living in ameria
>>333000672
>cleaver
>without the sandman
Do you even want free crits?
>>333000692
i tried, i just wish i could be there when reality finally hits you
>>333000735
>ameria
fucking kill me i meant america
>>333000771
Sorry friend, I'm not a god damn plebian
>>333000714
>orange jew
>>333000793
TF2 isn't going to die, m8
>>333000614
It's the way around today
>>333000049
I've always wanted to play as Spy, but I'm just so shit at this game (even when playing as Heavy) that it's simply impossible.
Also so close to >>333000000
>>333000714
I've been playingK.G.Buckshotheavy
you know, get crits with gloves and kill with shotgun because the buff wears off by the time you spin up the minigun
Only works well on KOTH maps though
>>333000520
>doesn't see extv logo
>thinks that people actually play with that kind of hud
>thinks that you can see enemy health in huds
>doesn't recognize ANY of the names there
I'll spoon feed you. It's a plat highlander game. The highest level of highlander.
but it's >highlander
so
yeah it's already kind of a joke.
>>332998306
>tfw arena is your favourite gamemode
>no one plays it
>>333001039
>Arena is the only game mode that doesn't have official servers
>>333001169
Are you saying that there are official servers that still run Player Destruction?The alien booze mode.
>>333001039
>tfw territorial control is your favorite gamemode
competitive tf2 isnt a thing
its a game thats only good for messing around in
just think about the amount of content thats been produced for the game that has little to no influence on the gameplay itself
namely; cosmetics, reskins, taunts, contracts.
compared to actual new maps, weapons, game modes.
its really more like an interactive social lobby like habbo hotel at this point
still can be fun tho
>>333001039
valve added a new arena map in the invasion update, the first time they've done that in YEARS. Hopefully it's a sign that they'll be adding more.
>>333000876
all I can say is practice practice practice. gain awareness of the game and it's mechanics and you will begin to excel.
>some classes obviously better than others
>horrible gun balance
>laser bullets
>cancer comunity divided into like 3 or 4 competitive scenes
>have to remove entire classes from the game to make it "competitive" when it just becomes a goofier, dumbed down quake for explosive characters and a dumbed down counter strike for bullet characters
>everytime it's balanced people cry for a change, and end up banning everything
nope, but fun for casuals I guess
>>333001364
It's just "how does it feels when girls buy and wear new clothes" simulator
>>333001039
you're in luck cuz everyone plays every game mode like its arena/deathmatch anyways
>>333000859
i'm not saying it's going to die. i'm saying any chance of having a real competitive scene is dead
I kind of feel like playing this again sometimes, but all the cosmetic shit and trashcan performance is a giant turnoff.
>>333001441
>I don't know how competitive tf2 works: the post
>>332995271
>Use to pubstomp as spy during high school
>Use to get such a rush executing a good planned back stab on good players
>Most fun I had playing the game
>Play spy now
>Back stabs are mostly free
>Rush is gone
>Fun is gone
>tfw but it's the same game anon!
>>333001648try to main another class
>>333001648
play some highlander lobbies as spy man, the experience is still there just in another format
>>333001337
I know that fucking feel.
If Hydro didn't have such insane chokepoints in the beginning it wouldn't have been so quickly abandoned.
>>333001561
thats why i stopped playing for a little while
seeing people hop around with their flaming neon purple lightning bolt skin weapons and raincloud plasma ball unsual hats and a pocket medic is just annoying
>>332992547
>highest skill cap
>>333001619
nice rebutal, faggot
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Competitive_item_restrictions
>implying 6v6, 9v9 and 4v4 don't throw shit at each other all the time
>they don't ban classes
>the weapons don't work like fucking laser guns
You know everything I said was true, nigger
>Can run modern games at max quality
>Try to run TF2 at the lowest settings gives intense frame drops all the time ranging from 30 to 150. Never consistent.
>Running the game at max settings does the same thing.
I remember playing this game on my GTX 275 and now I can barely run it on anything. Should've spent more resources porting this to Source 2 instead.
We can agree cp_steel is best map, right?
>>332994971
Retards control the hightower servers
It's fitting BC it's a retard map
>>333001938
>the weapons don't work like fucking laser guns
I'm not him, but what are you trying to imply here? Hitscan has been a thing since the beginning of FPS games. Quake 3 had hitscan, CS has hitscan, CoD has hitscan, RTCW has hitscan, so many FPS games have hitscan.
>>333001825
Yeah, the gameplay base is good but the artstyle being set on fire and thrown out in the name of money sucks.
>>333002002
I remember playing this years ago on a Q6600 and a 9600GT with zero issues, now my 2GB 7870+i7 920 struggles to keep a stable 60fps with an fps config on smaller pub maps, it's depressing.
>>333001825
>come back to tf2 for the first time in 6 months
>manage to get semi-good at scout again
>can reliably kill limescouts with gaudy unusuals over and over
Especially easy since so many scouts nowadays are running sandman&cleaver and panic when they run out of ammo for their scattergun. Get some good meatshots in and finish them off with the pistol as they backpedal.I use the capper for added insult.
>>333001441
>t. 24/7 2fort pubbie
The reason why the other classes aren't in 6s is because they're either very situational (sniper/spy) or they specialize in defense. Contrary to popular belief the reason why, for example, heavy isn't run more often is because he's incredibly good at countering aggressive play and guarding the medic. You can't bomb when a heavy is on the field and you can't cap when a heavy is on the field. His air control and enormous health pool means to defeat him you have to play very passively. This is what makes him a popular choice for last holds being a giant meat wall blocking the point. However unlocks like the eviction notice and the GRU means heavy can potentially be run on every point now that his mobility problem is no longer an issue. Let's say that was allowed, how would that change the game? Well now mid fights would be much more drawn out and a lot spammier because the enemy team can't take risks or play aggressively. It slows the game down to unreasonable levels and makes it less fun for everyone involved. There's a reason HL is so boring, when you have so many defense classes on the field at once its impossible for one player to accomplish anything and every fight is dragged out.
>>333002157
Yes, but those games also had recoil.
>>333002340
>quake has recoil
uwotm8
>>333002336
If you need to ban shit from the vanilla game then it's not good competitive, dipshit. That's what OP asked, that's what I responded.
>HL is boring
>the way the game is supposed to be played is boring
Jesus fucking crist, stop.
>>332992547
>High skill cap
>Entire map is for the most part locked down by two classes
>Ability to move is considered such a large premium that several classes will only see play in Highlander due to them being REQUIRED by the game rules.
>Class balance and weapon balance is skewed heavily and several core aspects that are inherently broken have remained so since launch.
Yep, sure seems like a balanced and exciting E-sport, what flavor is the Kool-Aid this week?
>>333002450
Well, not quake, but that one's good at competitive for diferent reasons.
TF2 was basically the last bastion of hope for people wanting to play a high skillcap quakelike since the extremely low skill floor lead to a shitload of players online at any time to get destroyed.
But F2P made those players so bad the game got boring. I couldn't play leagues without actually scheduling time for matches and I was banned from ringing for teams since I kept putting them in higher brackets than they could deal with when I left.
TF2 was fun as shit but goddamn F2P and the huge influx of burst damage weapons to appease lower skilled players ruined it for me.
My hope now is on the new UT, it's no bullshit at the moment but I'm sure they'll fuck it up somehow.
I love arena shooters especially since there was no like hour commitment to play a game and all raging was about the person you played against being "a fag" simply for beating you.
Now every game you play you have to deal with being matched with other people who could be complete dogshit AND you're stuck with them for an hour rather than being able to leave.
>>>333001938
>some classes obviously better than others
Actually classes have counters, as an example (typically) demomen will shit on engies, scouts will shit on demomen, and engies will shit on scouts.
>horrible gun balance
I don't even understand what you're trying to say here, as most classes do ~100 damage optimally with their primary weapon by either a) hitting directly with a projectile class or b) getting close enough and hitting center mass
>laser bullets
There is literally nothing wrong with hitscan, especially in comp formats where there is no bullet spread. If someone clicks on you, you get hit.
>cancer comunity divided into like 3 or 4 competitive scenes
the main two are 6's and HL, and even then there is a massive amount of crossover between the two. 4v4 is made up almost entirely of players from the other two formats, but isn't recognized by most of the community.
>have to remove entire classes from the game to make it "competitive" when it just becomes a goofier, dumbed down quake for explosive characters and a dumbed down counter strike for bullet characters
Actually the other classes aren't removed from 6's, they are "off classes" because they are situational and used to catch the enemy off guard, or breach a weakness in the enemies playstyle (heavies if the enemy isn't focusing, spy for sniper/med/demo picks etc)
>evrtime it's balanced people cry for change, end up banning everything
The only thing I remotely agree with here, exaggerated.
good?
>>333002503
>>the way the game is supposed to be played is boring
>>332997713
Hightower in my opinion is one of the greatest deathmatch levels ever made, I had so much fun playing low playercount servers just murdering nerds all day.
After like 3k hours I didn't give a shit about objectives, but damn was it fun to see how many kills I could get in a row.
>>333002503
Yeah because valve knows never makes mistakes right?
I'll let you in on a little secret, the real reason why there are so many unbalanced unlocks is because valve makes more money that way. Imagine you're a F2P retard who just started the game, you jump in a server and suddenly an all stock soldier destroys you in your first game. Most people wouldn't want to keep playing after that and if they aren't playing they aren't buying cosmetics. So valve gave these lazy shitters all these crutches to give them an edge over veterans and make it easier to ignore a classes inherent downsides and keep their parents money rolling in. The only reason valve wants to balance the weapons now is because overwatch exists and TF2 is starting to look like pocket change compared to CSGO which IS competitive focused. If you seriously can't play without unlocks you are part of the F2P 300 ping potatoes valve caters too.
>>333000981
>highest level in competitive scene still has tards like that blue pyro in it
Huh. Looks like there's big money waiting for me there
>>333003370
there was literally nothing wrong with the R8 when it got added, it just needed less armor penetration because hollow point rounds are supposed to be worse at penetration for a reason
>>333002928
You and me know that 6v6 is the main competitive format, if the game favors offense then, yes, the offensive classes are better than the defensive ones, therefore the term "off classes", yes I get, every class gets to do something in 6s but that doesn't make every class equal.
And if everything is "not that balanced" then you wouldn't have this shit
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Competitive_item_restrictions
If you have to modify the game to be competitive by banning everything and favor the offensive classes for sake of entretainment then the game is not balanced
If the community considers HL boring then that means the game is not good at competitive because it needs an audience to be competitive.
>>332992824
The F2P invasion has died down long ago, just fyi. There's still the occasional noob here and there though
>>333003542
>nothing wrong with R8
>$850 awp is balanced
Opinion discarded
>>333003370
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Competitive_item_restrictions
Also I have 800 hours fagget
>>332992930
I need to get those wings.
>>333003370
The funniest thing to me is the addition of the direct hit.
Valve marketed that as a skillful weapon which rewards players by giving increased damage for no splash. Sounds skillful on paper but then they increased the projectile speed so much it take's a complete retard to miss a shot and they put it over the 125 dmg threshold so a lucky hit will autokill nearly half the classes in the game.
If the direct hit were ever to actually be a "skilled player's" weapon it would be something like a no splash rocket launcher that splashed on direct hits and instantly added an extra rocket to your clip when you land one. No bonus projectile speed, no bonus damage, no aerial bonus.
>>333003697
t. mad nova shitter
Just stopping by to point out that competitive TF2 is autistic and the community is dying, divided, elitist, and unwilling to accept change.
>>333003719
What exactly are you trying to prove here? >800 hours
>he thinks that's a lot
kek
>>333003756
Soldier is a retard class in general, so who cares?
>>333004000
Just stopping by to say really nice numbers, bro
>>333003135
I used to be like you, but just recently I realized that not having an objective on that map allows shitters to hide in their own spawn doors, potshotting everything and running back to their resupply cabnet the moment anyone looks at them.
>>333004082
>I said that's a lot
Wow nicely done Mr. Faggot.
>it gets good at the 2000 hours
Kill your self.
>>333004132
Thanks friend, trips confirm that my butthurt is valid.
>>333004187
Several thousand is average among competitive players. 800 is fucking nothing.
@333004187
budget (you)
>>333004109
Soldier's fun as hell if you go gunboats and learn to chain rocket jumps.
Once you can do shit like going from badwater's last cap large healthkit to the roof above the second cap in one clip without even thinking the game becomes amazing since you are literally a god and nobody will ever kill you again in a pub unless you specifically fuck up hard.
That kind of thing makes me want to play TF2 again but then I remember it's still a gigantic pile of shit now.
>>333004445
Soldier is totally fun and has a high skill ceiling, but I maintain that a small dog could top score with stock Soldier reliably.
>>333004304
So? I don't need to be good at competitve to realise it's shit. If you honestly think that 800 hours is not enough to criticize a game then you are fucking retarded and that kind of mentallity is why TF2 will never triumph at competitive.
>>333004668
I don't think anyone would argue otherwise
>>333004672
it's 800 hours of bottom tier pubspubs dont matter
>>333003473
>highest level in competitive scene
highest level of Highlander. 6's is the highest level of play. Also hope the prize pools become large enough when 9 people have to be paid out.
>>333003602
it's not just about being offensive, but also being able to push the line of skirmish further at a rapid rate with mobility. Some classes aren't meant to have high mobility when they are already filling specialized roles. The classes are not meant to be "equal" in the sense that "any class can be viable at any time".
I've never fully agreed with item restrictions personally, I'm not really sure who gets to make that call.
classes and weapons are not banned for the sake of entertainment. Classes are restricted in numbers at one time, but if say b4nny really wanted to roll to mid as a heavy or sniper there's nothing stopping him. The second place winners at i55 almost exclusively ran a sniper to mid, and it worked pretty well for them.
Getawhale has repeatedly said that casting HL is terrible because you're trying to keep up with 18 players at once, even with their "cheat sheet" that reads out airshots, low health kills, etc since the game server ran 30 seconds faster than what spectators in server see. In the same breath, highlander really is an organized pub at it's core, just with more communication.
>>333004672
>I don't need to be good at competitve to realise it's shit
>translation: bawww they said I couldn't run pyro to mid fucking tryhards bawww
>>333004836
Oh yeah I forgot they ban everything in competitve because it's an unbalanced game.
>>333004946
>translation: I put thousand of hours in this game so it MUST be good waaa you meanie
>>333004990
no shit because valve are retards
you ban shit to make it more entertaining/interesting
nobody wants to watch a team sit on a point with 3 heavies and 3 medics or some dumb shit that's fucking boring
>>333004990
And restrictions make it balanced again so what's the fucking problem? Unbalanced and casual are not the same thing, TF2 has an incredibly high skill ceiling and it takes thousands of hours to master ONE 6s class.
>>332992547
action packed mashing of m1+m2
>>333003370
>R8
>mistake
t. silver
I keep coming back from time to time
Its still fun
>>333005180
6v6 is not TF2.
TF2 is a boring unbalanced game.
6s might not be a boring unbalanced game.
but 6s is not how TF2 was supposed to be played
>>333005115
No it's good because 5k hours later and I still have a lot to learn. TF2 at its core is an incredibly complex game. The best players in the world have 10k+ hours and even they still make mistakes from time to time.
>>333005527
why's it matter if it's "how it's supposed to be played" or not though
if it's fun to play it's fun to play?
>>332995271
Played the 360 version. When the game came out you could kill so many people just hiding near the enemy spawn. There are people still wondering one thing though...Update when?
>>333005527
Says who?
>>333005641
Fun =/= Competitive
I think you need to reread the question in the OP.
>>333005527
then why is valve doing 6v6 matchmaking?
>>333005764
6v6 with bans is fairly competitive, no?
base tf2 is not and will never be ever because valve are colossal retardsi haven't touched this shit in like 3 years, why am i defending it?
>>333005881
>with bans
what
>>333005813
Because that's what the people want and because Overwatch just came out.
Do you ever wonder why now that TF2 has a competition they decided to finally give the competitve scene the thing they've been crying for over 5 years?
>>333005979
item bans/class restrictions, sorry for any confusion
>>333005993
>valve is only doing 6s because overwatch came out
holy shit this bait sucks
>>333006115
>literally a beta after "4 years in development"
keep desilutional, also you conveniently forgot my other reason, dipshit.
>>333006109
Do you mean a list of items that you can't take into competitive, and caps on the amount of a given class you have on a team?
I thought you meant DotA-style class bans, that would be retarded
>>332995089
This is such a good point. You're making too much sense right now.
>>333006235
>desilutional
>>333006235
Well hopefully it would have been be worth the wait.
>>333006238
yeah, competitive 6v6 is like that but i forget the exact rules because i haven't played in forever
someone posted the list earlier, it's stupidly large because valve can't balance for shit and there's some explanations about classes further up
i think the rules are the same across regions, i can try and answer any questions you have though!
>>332992547
fix pyro heavy engie and spy and the handful of other broken unlocks and the game might actually be fun vanilla
>>333006483
nice mspaint comic, you've shown me!
>>333005993
http://www.teamfortress.tv/8952/?page=1#post-132283
https://www.vg247.com/2014/11/07/overwatch-announced-by-blizzard-at-blizzcon-2014/
comp has been in the works since before overwatch announced friend. I'd say overwatch was an incentive for valve to kick it in to gear, but it was still a thing before it came along.
>>333006235
>desilutional
>>333001337
It hurts that I'll likely never play it agian.
They're actually taking updates and resubmissions from content creators now, I love it so much.
>>333006554
>since before
>meaning years
>and they just released a beta
Yeah, I can tell.
>>333006630
>They didn't give the Gift Bringer to Heavy to begin with even though he's the only fat guy on the team
Also the 2nd All-Father style just looks like the Bull beard that's Halloween only
![[⊂¡] craven moorhead is looking good!.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KOD4w1K.jpg "[⊂¡] craven moorhead is looking good!")
>>333006630
>the all-father is available to the other manly classes now
>you can finally have a Demo that looks like that one reaction image someone made out of a randomizer screenshot
>>333006656
It was still confirmed to be happening before overwatch was announced, whether you choose to acknowledge that or not
>>333006748
It's similar, but it's not like completely identical or anything.
Either way, the fact that after FOUR YEARS, close to five, they actually updated the fucking thing to not be a broken mess is fine by me. Better late than never.
>>333007058
that doesnt change that anything with facial flexes is inherently broken because Valve refuses to fix their import system
How long until competitive? My Pyro is ready
>>333006959
Yes, but they didn't gave a shit until they saw competition. Out of CS, Dota and TF2, TF2 has always been that unplanned kid nobody gives a shit about.
>>333007253
>Pyro
>competitive
???
>>333007253
>pyro
>>333000000
>>333007241
I'm gonna call it baby steps.
Baby steps with a diaper full of shit.
>>333007338
They really needed it, you get stagnant without any competition and TF2's been the only class-based shooter that anyone's given a shit about in a long time and it's let the dozen people that still work on it get relaxed.
The "looming threat" of Overwatch making them get their fucking heads in the game and actually start releasing meaningful content is always good.
>>332992547
>demoman acts like a retard and plays poorly
>medic does the only thing it can possibly do to try to salvage the situation
not a lot to be impressed about in this webm other than "nice shot"
Old screenshot but my soldier looks the same.
Haven't played the game in nearly a year though, for some reason it just got boring after 2000 hours
>>332992547
What's wrong with "gooks"?
Did an asian male take your white girlfriend?
>>332998861
Aren't you friends with Tagg?
>>333007404
>>333007425
Stay mad
fuck off elliot
>>333007896
>stay mad
???
>>333007818
ye
lets not make a thing out of it
How many hats does /v/ own?
They keep making hats I own all-class or available to more classes and it's great
Didn't Valve say they were gonna add ranked matchmaking to TF2? What happened to that?
>>333008080
You mean the matchmaking you can play right now?...
I've always wondered how people have 3000+ hours. I played this game in the beta back in 2007 and played it a shitload, but I only have 1712 hours. I even idled at some points.
>>333007619
>shittalking Kaidus
I'm pretty sure he could beat you 10 times out of 10, faggot.
>>333008153
Is it ranked? I haven't played TF2 for over a year or some shit.
>>332994498
>best FPS for raw skill
>not GunZ
It's dead as fuck, but it's easily the FPS with the highest skill ceiling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppSU5xeEMdU
>>333008217
I don't give a shit about ecelebs, in the webm in question he made a rather poor play (evidenced by the fact that HE WOULD HAVE DIED IF NOT FOR THE MIRACLE ASSPULL FROM THE MEDIC).
>>333008265
Do you even K style
>>333008375
There's no other way to play bby
>Balanced
>>333008250
Yes, not accurate yet but it is ranked yes.
>>333008328
Kaidus is known for making some of the most insane demo plays in TF2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7jelqvvzxE
>>333009027
Is b4nny still number 1 demo?
>>333008890
I like how it has a handle on the front that isn't ever used.
Almost every single weapon in TF2 is complete bullshit in its visual design.
>>333008890
Learn2scout
>>333009137
b4nny hasn't played Demo in years, so no.
>>333009137
b4nny hasn't played demo in a long time. He changed to scout for a little while and now he plays pocket soldier. He still plays scout in HL though.
>>333009460
Sure, let me just never play any other class ever again so I can kill one class forever.
>>332993350
>complaining about pony servers that have no effect on you
>>333009595
Soldier vs demo is a fair match up too.
>>333009537
>>333009586
Man I've been out of it for a while huh.
>TFW you find out how to view other peoples scores
>Can finally see how truly bad the F2P snipers on my team are
>>333009312
his worldview model uses both handles with both hands. i'd guess they didn't do that for the viewmodel because it covered up too much of the screen?
I'm going to play Battleborn. Get over it
>>332996450
>Description isn't about vaping.
>>333008265
>fps with highest skill ceiling
>posts game in third person
>>333009595
Scout, soldier, demo, medic and heal someone better
>>333008265
First person
>>333009921
playing with (below command) is fun, works especially well on scout
"cl_first_person_uses_world_viewmodel 1"
>>333009910
how do you do that
>see this thread
>get a huge mighty urge
ok im downloading it right now.
anything i should know,haven't played since the game was still b2p.
>>333010027
>>333010184
holy shit i'm retarded my b
>>332992547
yeah it was good back in 2007
>esport
nah
>>333010524
I don't know if you played when unlocks became a thing, but if you're using unlocks, look at item descriptions
>>333010524
All the good players join the same team because nobody wants to try, so you can either join them and stomp or fight valiantly against them and not have a single competent person on your team to support you.
>>333010757
I disagree with this sentiment
>>332995271
who is the girl on the left???
>>332994971
This. Most people just play the game like it's a fucking TDM.
>>332995089
>good online game
got you there
>>333011827
Looks like Malena Morgan.
>>333010757
Not sure how that's really possible since autobalancing exists.
>>332994971
You were probably playing on a 24/7 map, where the map rotation is the exact same map again and again, so there's basically no sense of accomplishment to be had by actually winning.
>>333010757
IF YOU WERE GOOD YOU'D BEAT THEM ANYWAYS LMAO
>>332995089
>Find a good online game that isn't mlp fucker infested.
UT99
though it's full of hues and cocaine providers now
I miss this
>>332996916
Yeah but you need to find someone who will invite you, it's a get one give away three system
>>333010524
Main a good class. The good classes scouts, soldiers, demomen and medics.
>Christian servers
I don't see these anymore
what happened? I used to go there just to be an asshole until i get kicked
>>333012656
>autobalancing matters
He he
>>332992547
This is pathetically true but the previous incarnations of Fortress games were considerably better. Fortress forever was actually the best version but TF2 killed it. It's sad honestly since it was extremely good.
when are they gonna add more partner taunts?
I like ruining servers by being that one guy who has the newest taunt so everyone just sits in spawn doing the taunt instead of doing anything
>Sell all the unusuals and anything valuable in market
>Buy games
>Still play the game
I don't regret it
>>333012656
>auto/vote-scramble
>a few of the good players end up with the shitters in, let's say, RED
>they go into spectator mode and change to BLU when someone else takes their spot on RED
woah
>>333008265
Gunz isn't really skilled. It's starcraft skill where there's lots of stupid overhead to do shit. I guess that's a skill. I don't find it to be an interesting skill though. Not that the game is bad by any means there's just a stupid skill floor on it.
It's roughly equal with tf2 as far as skill ceiling goes.
fuck off, TF2 isn't even the best competitive FPS and isn't remotely fucking close to having the highest skill cap
>>332994359
How.
>>333014402
What is
>>333014402
you're right that's CSGO
>>333014565
Q3A
>most exciting to watch, because it's action packed from the start and every kill is so important
I love watching competitive TF2 and I know you're just shitposting with copy pasta, but come on now. Last time I checked, there hasn't been a new staple map since Sunshine and that last like two years ago.
>>333008890
this was a valid complaint until they nerfed the shit out of it
Black Mesa is my jam senpai
>>332999481
You want to play spy?
-Find a team mate that's a sustain type class:
Engineer sentry, heavy, soldier / demo locking down a room
-make a mental note where they are
-go invisibile and wait for an enemy (make sure to sit on an ammo kit and uncloak periodically if you think you're safe *this step should only last a few seconds unless there are no enemies*
-when an enemy gets close to your ally run behind them
-look around while you approach them
-when they're distracted uncloak
-DO NOT look at them until you stab, pretend you are looking at the ally, this will buy you precious time
-kill them
TLDR: Know when you're enemy is distracted normally by allies or sentry camps. If they ever have something to focus on you will get a free kill
>>332995647
sadly in tf2 there are only two classes that have a movement mechanic, while the other seven can only walk. go play gotham city impostors if you like different movement mechanic types
>>333014638
>q3
>when cpm and wsw exist
>>333000714
What settings are you playing on?
>Join a Payload server
>Most players are ignoring the objective
>5/10 players are scouts
>3/10 are snipers
>One more player is just AFK
>I ask them to help me push the cart
>Votekick
>I'm kicked from the server
>Close TF2
Fuck this game, m8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TydkMYObGmc
>main medic
>pubs are full of idiots
>not good enough for comp
just fuck my game up
>>333016737
comp tf2 is retarded anyways it's nothing like the real game and is just for shitters who aren't good enough for cpma
>>332995408
>all my old favorite servers are dead
>shit like killstreak weapons and strange hats exist
IKTFB, I used to play it so much because it's one of the few things my toaster can hope to runand I didn't have a consoleand looking at it now it's so confusing.
>>333016902
fuck off, quake is dead, deader than tf2
>>332994742
That was a joke, you autist.
>>333014276
Why in the world would someone sit around in spectator waiting for that on a regular basis? I don't even bother with that when I'm playing with friends, I just stick with wherever I got stuck originally.
>>332996528
CoH? He said Cards against Humanity.
The card game.
Not CoH.
>>333012873
Jesus Christ me too.
I remember all the stupid shenanigans they would always have each weekend, not to mention the custom projectiles and organized micspammers that were commonplace to the servers.
Literally no other experience could replicate the one I had at the Snack Shack, and LazyPurple doesn't live up to a quarter of it at all.
>>332995014
Best set up 2bh
Really the best part about TF2 is that there are no koreans or chinks who play it.
>balanced
Nice joke. Call me when they fix the scout.
I sold all my weapons,Hats, and shit for 500$ 4 years ago, and quit playing because the constant hat and rweapon additions were getting retarded. I could never find another game to fill the hole it left, and with this new competitive mode has sparked my interest again. How shitty is it going to be for me to get all the necessary weapons again?
>>333016737
Have you considered MM?
Also you should watch this video. The biggest difference between comp and pub medics is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83lM5QoSM24
>Who to heal and when
>How an uber should be used
>Having a backup plan if SHTF
Heal order is a little complicated but there are a few guidelines for uber usage
>Even ubers? Only bring in pocket and trade. Worse uber? Retreat. Better uber? Bring your team in.
>Uber advantage? Flash as many players as you need and try to kill the medic
>Uber disadvantage? Sit back and have your roamer/demo try to force their uber early with spam/sticks
Also some things to keep in mind
>Demo uber is good for pushing last, multiple high health enemies, or for forcing players out of position
>Soldier ubers are good for chasing over long distances or against a group at close range
>Scouts are good for cleaning up numerous weak enemies and crossing short distances
Kritz also have some rules
>Soldier if close, demo if far away
>Don't ignore 3 easy picks for the chance of 1 medic/demo
>>333017594
Glad someone else remembers it too.
Practically lived on that server until it died.
>>332997262
You're autistic
>>333012582
Thanks for the try, turns out to have been Misha Cross
>>333000981
>>333000981
i know this is ultra noob of me, i have been playing since release. and i can't find this "pro" league people talk about. the highlander. it makes me feel scrub, b
>>333000423
>one octillion Briggs and Stratton engines
you're asking for trouble, tbqh.
>>333012656
Autobalance only does something if there's a disbalance of two or more players inbetween teams, and it generally just throws whoever's low on the scoreboard into the other team, retard.
>>333016716
Dear God why those retarded animations makes me laugh
The game would be a lot better if melee crits were removed. Basic melee is a last resort. Snipers and medics get too many Get Out of Jail Free cards because of it.
Daily reminder TF2 would improve drastically if Sniper was removed from the game.
>Attracts edgy underage shitheads who think they are above teamwork (obligatory anger and villain's veil)
>Has more broken unlocks than any other class
>Long range class in a game where 99% of fights are within spitting distance
>Doesn't do anything that can't be filled in by another class
>Requires no positioning whatsoever
>The only counter he has is himself
>Very low skill floor with even the most braindead idiots being able to one shot 5/9 classes
>Makes HL insufferable and is the only offclass who can be run fulltime in 6s with no consequences
>>333020414
Nah melee crits do serve a purpose. They make taking the risk of using your melee weapon a reasonable choice.
A better suggestion would be to remove the crit chance rampup with damage so all classes have the same chance of getting one.
>>333020481
>I don't know how to learn where snipers go and be careful around their field of fire
The maps weren't designed by retards you know, you can always get around snipers
>>333020595
>The maps weren't designed by retards you know, you can always get around snipers
Maps where sniper is balanced are shit for everyone else. See dustbowl and goldrush.
Also objectives force you to cross his sightlines one way or another.
He breaks TF2 with his very existence.
>>332993554
>made by blizzard so it's all heavily forced bs with no possibilities outside of the exact thing it's supposed to do because blizzard can't into good game design
>not even released and already cucked
I recently sold my BP. After 3,000 hours it was just time to move on.
Retards, trolls, and hackers just made the game zero fun. Can't ban a hacker since they'll just make a new account, log back in, fire up LMAOBOX, and do it again.
>>333020481
I don't mind fighting snipers, I just don't like having 4 shit ones on my team not doing anything at all times.
>>333020481
"I'm retarded and have no idea what I'm talking about."
Have a (you).
>>333020481
>>Doesn't do anything that can't be filled in by another class
Stopped reading right there.
>>333020803
>selling your bp
l-lewd
>>333020945
Well, I traded it for keys. Sold the keys for $2.85 at the marketplace. Had more than enough to purchase a few games, and a gift for a friend since he bought me Seven Days to Die.
>>333020109
Because they're funny
>>333020883
>"I have never played against a good sniper and think 2fort is the height of sniper skill"
>>333020925
He counters heavies but demo does that just as well. He is good at breaking stalemates but spy and soldier can do that too.
tf2 has been awful ever since drops were a thing. you're a moron if you don't see otherwise
>>332992547
>highest skill cap
>>332999632
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
>S
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>>333021174
I have played against good snipers and frankly they're just difficult to counter unless you can flank, or have another sniper to countersnipe.
You're just an idiot shitposting on /v/.
ha ha i like sandvich meme : D! tf2 is epic win!
Pyro main here
I always though about the Scout and the Soldier as Pyro counters
Have fun trying to fighting a Soldier in a closed space while he can splash you to death, with 3 rockets is enough to kill you, and since the Soldier aint firing his rockets directly at you, it will be hard as fuck to reflect them
Also, in open spaces a Soldier can just rocket jump over a Pyro and bomb them, which is hard to counter, even for me
Scout is also a decent counter, 2 scattergun meatshots can put you down in a matter of 3 seconds, but Scout has the disadvantage that, if he gets pinned down by a Pyro's airblast, his only chances is to land 2-3 meatshots in the air, or double-triple jumping away, which is unprobably since the Pyro will make sure the Scout is totally stunned against the wall.
A scout will shit on a Pyro on open spaces, that's a given, I think the best Scout weapon against a Pyro is the Pistol
So I believe it's like this
>In closed spaces:
Soldier > Pyro
>In open spaces:
Soldier >> Pyro
>In closed spaces:
Pyro >> Scout (Tho if the Scout can win if he gets 2 meatshots mid-air)
>In open spaces:
Scout >>> Pyro
Opinions?
1463 Hours here, I'm still somewhat a shitter, I like MvM a lot.
>>332994875
If you use 5 demos, you can be pretty certain the enemy will use a Vaccinator Medic plus Scouts to counter it
>>332992547
TF2 was done for when they added hats and weird ass shit like Jarate
Going free to play afterwards was like taking a dump on its corpse
>>333021376
imo the height of tf2 was before items dropped at all. launch tf2 was best
>>333021328
>see soldier
>turn around
>walk away, preferably around a corner
>most people are dumb enough to follow
Fixed your issue.
>>333021316
>frankly they're just difficult to counter unless you can flank, or have another sniper to countersnipe.
So you're agreeing with me?
Sniper is the only class who has no counters other than himself. So if you don't have a better sniper you're fucked because nobody else can touch him. Flanking isn't an option either if his team is guarding the flank routes.
Face it he's a fucking retarded class that has no reason to exist.
>>333020481
I have literally never felt under threat from a sniper except on the rare occasion I play as heavy.
>>333021412
TF2 was best between medic update and the shitstorm that was the pyro update.
I never noticed how old TF2 is. I played it in high school, now I finished uni and there are still people who play it
>>333021451
Removing him won't happen. Just suck it up and take your walk back to the front line like a big boy, and try to avoid his sightline. He can't hit what he can't see.
>>332994795
What unlock even needs nerfing? Almost all of them, save a few for heavy, pyro and medic are utter shit.
>>332993350
>2016
>Still complaining about brownies
Are you serious anon?
>>332992547
I like tf2, but
>not gook infested
Yes, but it is Cyka infested, which is just as bad. Also Brazilians.
>highest skill cap
You mean compared to nothing but CSGO? Look at something like Unreal Tournament 2004 and then talk to me about skillcaps.
>>doesn't require autistic game knowledge of 100s of heroes
and neither does UT or a most shooters, really. More importantly, the same applies to Skullgirls but I'm sure you don't like that game.
>easy to follow even if you don't play the game
Again, applies to most shooters. You're trying to compare things to ARTSs, which is not a very fair comparison.
>every kill is so important
Not in the modes where you have a billion chances to push. At least in CSGO, there are limited respawns which creates actual pressure
>>333021469
Then you haven't played long enough.
I have seen games won single handedly by ONE sniper, even to the point he will stand in front of our spawn doors with a med up his ass and not fucking die. You cannot peek good snipers, you WILL die. That's actually a rule in HL even in lower ranks players are taught to assume the sniper will not miss because at higher ranks THEY DON'T.
>>332995825
/rsg/ here
You are so very wrong
>>333015737
Huh? Scout has double jump, triple jump, basher jump, FaN jump (lmao). Soldier has rocket jumping. Demo has sticky jumping, pipe jumping, charge jumping. Pyro has reflect jumping, detonator jumping.
That's 4 out of 9, not including that every class but heavy can surf enemy rockets and nades.
>join a random pub server
>all of my teammates are spies, snipers and scouts
>surprise surprise, we are getting spawn camped
>"hey maybe a few of you should switch to soldier or heavy or demo so we can get some push and gain ground"
>"SHUT UP YOU FUCKING FAGGOT I'M HAVING FUN YOU CAN'T TELL ME HOW TO PLAY!!!"
Not playing TF2 for over a year made me forget how much I hate the community
>>333021525
Nice argument, go learn to play an actual class faggot.
>and try to avoid his sightline. He can't hit what he can't see.
I'm not going to repeat myself >>333020743
>>332992547
It'll never come close to CS:GO, comp TF2 might not even make a dent in Overwatch.
Maybe if this shit got introduced 5 years ago it would stand a chance
>>332992547
division 1 ETF2L/ESEA-IM scout main here (from when leagues had good players and not the current reddit flood
tf2 has especially always been full of complete faggots, old quake pros with an ego, old TF players who complained non stop about how shit tf2 is/was yet still rack up 4k hours+ and pay for ESEA
the skill level in TF2 is an absolute joke right now, i havent played in 3 years but came back to check out the matchmaking and its literally pub level
Post fashionor funny names
>>333021863
Everyone here talks about the shitty community but I recently got into the game after not touching it since The Orange Box and it seems fine. In the ValveSydneyservers it's relatively quiet and civil, with reasonable gameplay going on like how I remembered and all that. The chat is usually just one or two /v/ posters with meme avatars memeing at each other.
>>333021947
Random shit senpai apply thyself
>>333021451
Well, if it makes you feel any better, chances are either sniper himself or his unlocks like the razorback are going to get hit with the nerf bat, what with him being a huge point of contention in the comp scene, both 6s and HL.
>>333021874
I quit recently. Have fun with your game I guess.
>>333022068
>wasting the image limit by posting your loadouts separately
>>333022105
Raffle backpack plz?
>>333022174
see
>>333021025
Go beg elsewhere.
>>333022168
>394 posts
>79 images
>>333021434
>Implying a good Soldier will follow a Pyro around a corner
I forgot to mention I was talking about GOOD players
GOOD players don't do that kind of retarded shit, hence why I get Stomped by them
Anyone can kill a retarded shitter, but when you're facing someone smart enough to not commit the most basic mistakes, you're in trouble.
>>333002663
I dislike UT4 because of the jerky movement and dodge spam. There are also issues with weapon balance
It's annoying when you shoot rockets into doorway to prevent someone from coming in and he just presses dodge/slide and oneshots you with flak.
Overall RL feels weak, you just cant do a followup airshot because of how slow it fires.
>>332992547
It's a game for underage children who can't get their parents to buy games for them to pub in.
>>333022079
Australians are too busy shitposting on 4chan to ruin the straya TF2 servers
>>333022381
Then who are the people I play with?
>>333022361
Which fps would you recommend to somebody with money then?
>>333020481
While Sniper is indeed cancerous, you cannot run one full time in 6's without consequence otherwise that would be the meta.
Sniper also isn't inherently uncounterable. The problem is that Valve gave him the best Secondaries in the game, two which counter his counters. That's why Sniper is currently cancer. If you got rid of all of his secondaries (or at least the DDS, RB, and CC), it wouldn't be as bad.
>>333021897
>i havent played in 3 years but came back to check out the matchmaking and its literally pub level
Thank you, captain obvious.
>>333022526
CS, Insurgency, R6: Siege
>>333017028
so is competitive gaming that's the fucking point retard
>>333020481
>What is the Vaccinator with Bullet resistance/uber
But I sort of agree with you
>>333022650
Problem with sniper is that a decent sniper does a better job at the spy's job then spy himself. There's a reason that sniper is one of the most common off classes while spy is practically never used, there's little reason to run one. I suspect spy is going to get some more major buffs or reworkings before the comp beta is over, since it seems like valve's been doing nothing but buffing him since the last few patches.
>>332999704tfw i think i might have started that meme
>>333021534
Let me go down the list
FaN: Controls movement
Soda popper: Makes it brain dead easy to dodge damage as scout
BFB: Breaks lag comp and hitboxes
Bonk: Lets scout flank or escape for free
CaC: Lets scouts attack from further away and has too many upsides with a negligible downside
Mad milk: Guaranteed win in teamfight
Sandman: Controls player movement, hard counters heavy
Atomizer: Straight upgrade, lets scout easily dodge splash
Direct hit: One shots most classes
Black box: Soldier never has to retreat, removes his inherent reliance on heals
Beggars: Crazy DPS and mobility
Air strike: Crazy DPS
Conch: Removes soldier's reliance on heals, too similar to medic
Backup: Hard counters kritz
EP/whip: Straight upgrade
Pain train: Neglible downside, too similar to scout
Phlog: Easy guaranteed crits
Reserve shooter: Free extra damage
Scorch shot: Easy to spam but hard to avoid cripples heals
Homewrecker: Unreasonably fucks over spies
Powerjack: Straight upgrade
Loch: Gives demo too much range
Loose cannon: Controls movement
Natascha: Controls movement
Sandvich: Straight upgrade negates any damage done to medic
GRU: Removes heavy's inherent mobility downside
FoS: Too much health
Pomson: Messes with uber
FJ: Guaranteed crits punishes player for team's mistakes
Wrangler: Too much health
Short circuit: Shuts down engineer's hard counters
Crossbow: Straight upgrade
Quickfix: Straight upgrade in 6s
Vita: Messes with uber
Ubersaw: Straight upgrade
Huntsman: Giant hitboxes
Machina: Free damage with negligible downside
Jarate: Guaranteed win in teamfights
Razorback/DDS: Removes snipers hard counter neglible downside
Cozy camper: Lets him ignore aimpunch
Bushwhacka: Easy guaranteed crits
Ambassador: Copies sniper too much
Diamondback: Free crits for doing your job punishes you for your teammates mistakes
Big earner: Scout speed
Spycicle: Removes spy's hard counter
Dead ringer: Fire invuln, scout speed, inherently bad design encouraging non stealthy play
RTR: Numerous bugs
>>333022726
Vaccinator means no overheals and your team loses on attrition.
>>333022650
>you cannot run one full time in 6's without consequence otherwise that would be the meta.
Tell that to flippy
>If you got rid of all of his secondaries (or at least the DDS, RB, and CC), it wouldn't be as bad.
I agree but even without them he is still incredibly strong
>>332992547
It's a dead game
>>332992547
No, TF2 is miniscule as an esport.
The best is probably Dota because of its popularity, prize money, player base and evenly matched teams between EU, NA and Asia
>>333024192
The fact that you want ambassador nerfed of all unlocks makes it clear you have shit opinions. The only spy unlocks that really need toning down at this point are the RTR and maybe the diamondback.
>>333023253
Because Spy itself is a weak class. Spy is for surprise, and if you keep running it, they won't be surprised anymore. Spy is a 1-and-done class, however, it is very effective with that. You don't need to be good to go for a Spy play or to play Spy. In 6's, it always catches the other team off-guard because that's the purpose of the class. In HL, due to how much shit is going on, you can easily work with your team to kill anyone and you have an Amby to deal a good amount of damage from anywhere on the map.
Spy CAN'T be buffed because if Spy was buffed to a point where it was good, then people wouldn't be surprised by it, which would make the class bad again. Spy is in a good position right now, believe it or not. In 6's, no one is prepared for it. In HL, you use the chaos of the game as well as an extremely powerful primary to do your job.
>>333024263
I don't really watch EU anymore, so I can't say anything about that, but no one in NA does that. Clockwork explained why Sniper is worse than Scout and Soldier on tf.tv not too long ago (or maybe it was a while ago, can't remember). Sure, you can get a good pick, but then their Soldier jumps you and you die and now it's a 5v5 again. Only map that I can see Sniper working well is Viaduct and only if it's a Soldier that's off classing. Even then, your Sniper needs to hit pretty much every important shot in order to be as useful.
And yea, Sniper in any FPS is strong just because it's the insta-kill class.
>>333025323
Just because spy is shit doesn't justify ridiculous unlocks. The fact that the meta in plat HL is for the spy to spend 80% of his time going for headshots from the edge of the map is proof of this. Copying a strong class to make a weak class better is not good design.
>>333025375
I can pretty much guarantee that spy is going to get buffed in some manner at some point, especially since it's a fairly common consensus in the comp scene that he needs help. I wouldn't be surprised if it makes him more mobile or something like that so that people have a reason to pick him over sniper.
No one ever expects a spy because no one ever runs him. It's pretty much only sniper if someone wants to get a pick on someone, since sniper does his job better.
>>332997965
This exact thing happened to me the other day after installing about a week and a half ago.
>>333025421
And the reason that spies tend to spend all their time doing this is because the class they're supposed to be countering is basically immune to them thanks to their secondaries. A good sniper who is overhealed by a medic and hiding behind a sentry gun is pretty much impossible to kill except with the ambassador or another sniper. If sniper had his secondaries like the razorback nerfed you'd likely see spies stabbing more people since they can kill sniper and then focus on other people, instead of wasting their time trying to be a poor man's counter sniper. Sniper is dominate in the HL meta for a reason.
>>333025375
>Even then, your Sniper needs to hit pretty much every important shot in order to be as useful.
A trade as the worst possibility isn't that big a deal when an invite sniper on a good day can win mid entirely by himself.
My point is that just the fact that sniper can even go toe to toe with the other classes is insane. He is a pick class and yet he can stand up to soldiers and scouts? You would NEVER see an invite team bringing an engie or heavy to mid because he would be instantly focused down but sniper is so incredibly good at getting kills his mobility and and health downside are almost meaningless.
>>333025828
>And the reason that spies tend to spend all their time doing this is because the class they're supposed to be countering is basically immune to them thanks to their secondaries.
Oh come on you know they would abuse amby even if sniper didn't have the razorback. Being able to get kills without putting yourself at risk is huge. Put it this way, if you miss what's the penalty? Nothing, you keep trying till they stop peeking and then cloak and go elsewhere and do it again. If you miss a backstab on the other hand, you WILL die.
>>333025802
>>332997965
I decided to come back to the game last week and give it a shot, experienced this
Madness. They were even trying to get votekicks going against people who were standing near the cart and screaming into the mic about it.
Fortunately, not everyone is like that apparently and one of the most egregious idiots got kicked himself.
>>333025421
Problem is, anything that isn't stock seems to be ridiculous to you. I'm honestly surprised you didn't include the kunai in there, since the kunai lets you be tankier then a soldier, and that would likely be a big no no given the reasons for his other unlocks.
>Getting chased by a Scout
>Ubersaw random Crit
>Getting chased by revolver Spy
>Crossbow random CritOktoberfest!
>>333026032
Problem is, I doubt Valve is ever going to do anything to make spy viable with the playstyle you feel he should be focusing on, so might as well let him be a mini sniper. Most games with stealth classes tend to do that these days, since it works.
>>333003719
>Also I have 800 hours fagget
Nigga I have twice that and I know that still doesn't mean jack
B4nny has 7000 hours just on record (he reset them so it's probably closer to 8000), even youtubers like sketchek who is now fucking dead had at least 6000 hours in the game
>>333024192
all the unlocks suck ass and you're shit at tf2
the only unlocks that are worth using are ones that people never use v. good players anyways like the ubersaw
>>333007338
I'm unreasonably offended by this
TF2 isn't fucking unplanned, it was NINE (9) fucking long years in development, and extremely heavily planned out
Which is why the underlying gameplay and artstyle of the game is such a beautiful thing (after polishing of course)
>>333025519
They might, I'm not denying that, but it won't change his position.
>No one ever expects a spy because no one ever runs him.
That's a good thing, though. If everyone ran him, then everyone would expect it. Spy get's better the less he is ran and vice versa, and current HL meta has proven that he is a good class. His role is specifically espionage and taking out key targets in an instant. He does both of those extremely well.
>>333025841
In that sense, yea, but even then, the only map where that really happens is Viaduct and sometimes Gullywash mid. Viaduct is great for Sniper and since Scouts are really strong on it, it's fine to swap a Solider to Sniper. But that's the only map where that happens and only because of how the map was designed. I've seen it on Gullywash too, but usually it's a "let's catch them by surprise at mid" or a "we are losing and need a momentum change, let's try running a sniper to mid". Otherwise, Sniper is only used on last point pushes/defenses depending on Uber charge, which is the same for Engie/Heavy/Spy/Pyro.
Engie and Pyro don't work because they are defensive classes, Heavy doesn't work because it's too slow. Spy on anything but last is too risky. Sniper is just right.
>>333026121
>anything that isn't stock seems to be ridiculous to you
No valve just sucks at weapon design and has been catering to pubbies for the last few years by either making a class easier than it already was or removing inherent downsides so players wouldn't have to worry about team composition and they can always play their favorite. This completely fucks up balance in competitive play.
>since the kunai lets you be tankier then a soldier
You also die in 1 hit instead of 2 to most types of damage. It's a fair balance of risk vs reward.
A lot of these weapons are skewed in this sense. Here is an example. Let's compare the crit a cola and the candy cane.
Candy cane
-Direct explosives can kill you in one hit
+You get health back if you live
This is balanced
Crit a cola
-10% damage, you still die in two hits
+Speed boost
+No falloff
+35% damage
This is not
>>333008890
It is actually balanced now, though. I would honestly say Demo is one of the best standards for balance in the game (and I used to hate him as much as you do before Love&War came along).
>Counters Engie
>Countered by Scout
>Goes even with most other classes; even shitty classes like Pyro can kill him
>Very strong both on offense and defense, and a mobile character, capable of interesting plays
>Arguably the best stock loadout of any class, nearly none of his weapons are better than stock (except possibly LnL)
>Strong at mid range, acceptable at long range, weak at close range
>kind of fun
Everything generally weaker than Demo needs to be buffed up to his level.
>>333026516
Thing is, if a class is so poorly designed that it's strongest perk is that no one ever runs it, then I'd say something is seriously wrong. I don't think anyone wants spy to be buffed that you can afford to run him 24/7 or even most of the time, but the problem is, is that the only sole dedicated pick class that's ever run is sniper, it'd be nice if spy was redesigned in such a way that running him doesn't make you feel like you're gimping your team and that you'd be better off running Sniper, since Sniper accomplishes the same thing safely, and much faster due to his inherent range.
Also, the problem with HL is that team's are forced to have a spy, and most of the time in the higher ranking leagues, spies are typically ran as mini-snipers with the ambassador to counter snipers. Hell, I'd be all for nerfing the ambassador if it meant spy could actually be better at his role.
>>333026462
>I'm a pubbie who thinks he knows what he's talking about
Let me guess you also think comp players ban them because they don't know how to use them?
I can't wait until MM goes live and then these threads will be filled with people crying about how they got shit on by crit a cola scouts and reserve shooter pyros.
>>333020481
Sniper doesn't need to be removed from the game
But Darwin's Danger Shield, Cozy Camper, Razorback and Jarate DO need to be nerfed
>>333026801
6s are inherently a perversion of tf2
if every class was good in 6s it would only be because the game was a terrible random shitfest
when you make a class like spy it has to be bad against anyone good by design
this is also why pyro can't legitimately compete with the other damage classes and shouldn't ever be able to
>>333026654
Thing is, the Big Earner's (which you listed) downside is pretty significant as well. Having 100 health basically puts you at 1 shot territory against pretty much all the game's combat classes, which happen to be a significant part of the meta in 6s and HL.
Also, I haven't seen anyone complaining about that knife, pub wise or comp wise, which is likely why it's remained unbanned for 2 seasons now. Given how valve is basically catering to the comp scene with these balance changes these days, if the Big Earner was as bad as you say it is it would have gotten smacked with the nerf bat by now.
>>333021745
So you died, respawned, then your whole team comes out from the doors, and he just oneshots your whole team? I mean, he can't miss. Gee, what an OP class these snipers.
>>333025519
Buffing Spy would be great because it would help out Pyro a bit too
Pyro and Spy are the shittiest classes, and Pyro is made even more shit by the fact the class it's meant to counter (Spy, and yes I know everyone can spycheck but Pyro is best at it) is so rarely run. If people had a reason to run Spy more often, enemy teams would have a reason to run a Pyro to counterpick.One idea I had: I think cloak flickering upon a spy being shot with hitscan or bullets should be removed. Only milk, jarate, water, bleed and fire should cause cloak to be foiled. This way every other class would counter Spy a little bit less; a Heavy standing around spraying bullets wouldn't reveal the Spy so easily. Currently, cloak is too easily foiled. Buffing Revolver would make Spy too Sniper-like, buffing an instant kill melee isn't possible, buffing Spy's base stats would look silly but buffing his invisibility to be harder to call out would help him.
>>333026918
Not that anon but I wanted to elaborate on some of your points.
I think something that would go a long way towards making these classes more tolerable would be focusing on balancing them around the counter system >>333024192
Ideally how every class should play is they counter x, they are countered by y, and it's even matchup against the rest. Give each class the tools they need to hold their own against the others.
>>333026918
At the very least, it'd be nice if sniper was run less and spy run a bit more in 6s. Variety is nice...
>>333027253
Honestly, I think just decreasing the amount of time it takes to decloak by a slight amount (currently 2.2 seconds, maybe lowering it to around 1.8 seconds would be a good start), and give the IW and CnD the same mechanics as the DR (but not the same sound), would go a long way. The length of the decloak is dated compared to how faster paced the game is these days, and I always found it odd how the DR's sound falls off much more quickly then the IW or CnD.
>>333027017
>Having 100 health basically puts you at 1 shot territory against pretty much all the game's combat classes, which happen to be a significant part of the meta in 6s and HL.
Not necessarily, don't forget cloak gives spy 120% health. Kunai you would still die but not with the big earner. Stabby talked about it in a recent video and it is definitely one of the strongest ones right now. It wouldn't surprise me if DR+Big earner became the new meta.
>bad as you say it is it would have gotten smacked with the nerf bat by now.
I never specified how OP they are just that they're not balanced. Obviously weapons like the pain train or battalions backup aren't anywhere near as bad as say beggars.
>>333026801
That's just how stealth classes are. There's no way to buff him without making him irrelevant in the process. What's the point of having a stealth class if he isn't used for stealth?
>>333027017
The downside is worth it, though. Most spies run it now because it gives you the chance to get a stab and then live, something Spies always had trouble with (old DR being the exception, but that was a bullshit unlock anyways). The health actually doesn't mean much because without the BE, you will usually die after the stab. BE gives you that ability to live and be un-trackable because you are now running faster, making it harder for the enemy to predict your location. It's a great weapon because it's a great sidegrade. Health is important if you are mainly Ambying, but if you aren't, then the health isn't nearly as important as living to get another stab.
>>333027253
Pyro is only shit at fighting. The Airblast is EXTREMELY underrated by inexperienced players. Pretty much all of the Pyro mains playing that are good agreed that Pyro is more or less the same in both formats and is in a decent/good position. Being able to completely stuff an uber by yourself is something ONLY Pyro can do. Badlands last is a prime example of just how good Pyro can be. Pyro is literally the "Fuck your uber" class, and it's the only class that can do that.
>>332992547
Cheers love, the cavalry is here!
>Soldier is fundamentally broken
>Medic is fundamentally broken
>Pyro and Spy are useless
>Engie, Heavy, and Sniper barely usable
TF2 hasn't been fun since the novelty of its characters wore off. Valve could always nerf rocket damage or gunboats, but the gran-turbo autismos would say stupid shit like "Soldier is useless now", or "pandering to casuals."
>>333016737
I know this feel.
>>333027639
>Sniper barely usable
hahahahah
>>333027639
1/10, I'm replying.
>>333027639
Soldier is balanced when you don't take unlocks into account.
Stock soldier has to trade a quarter of his health for speed, has very long reloads, and has no staying power. It's only now that he has weapons like EP which allows him to move quickly at low health, beggars for infinite clip and fast reloads, and conch/blackbox to reduce his reliance on medics that's he's become so powerful.
>>333027538
Honestly in this case, I don't think it's the Big Earner or Kunai being a problem so much as that the stock knife these days doesn't bring enough to the table. If you want survivability after a stab you have the Kunai (whose downside is basically null if you are good, same as Big Earner) and the Big Earner, if you want to focus on gun spying then the spycicle will serve you well. I'd argue in this case that the stock knife should receive some form of a buff that other knives wouldn't get, but what would be the biggest question. Sort of like how the blutsauger was very frequently used for a long time when it was introduced, but instead of nerfing it, valve buffed the stock medic but withheld it from the blutsauger.
>>333027895
Knife's greatest advantage is that it is the most reliable. If you want to pick one person specifically and don't want to take any unnecessary risks, the stock knife is the best choice.
>>333027895
Actually the Kunai is really bad. The problem with the Kunai is that it doesn't give enough benefit's for getting the stab like the BE does, and unlike the BE, you only have 65 health. 1 random spam rocket/pipe/sticky can kill you. In return, you get what, 185 health on backstab (can't remember)? That really means little because you'll just die to the Pyro anyways because they can easily see where you are. Kunai has never been considered good, or even viable, and really needs a buff. You can ask any good/decent HL Spy about the Kunai and not a single one will say it's viable. Stock Knife is reliable and is for when you want more Gun then Stab due to the extra health.
>>333028210
They buffed it during gunmettle. You now have 70 health and max overheal is 210.
>>333028012
Thing is, being able to survive and make another stab is likely worth losing a little reliability, since even with that reliability of the stock knife you'll likely die after making a stab unless you use the DR. If you're really good at knife spying, both the Kunai and the Big Earner are basically upgrades (hell I mained the kunai before it got buffed in Gun Mettle, now I switch between the BE or the Kunai depending upon what I'm feeling) most of the time, and if making stabs aren't your main concern, then the spycicle is also one as well since it allows you to ignore your counter to a degree. The stock knife basically lets you dabble in both gun and knife spying thanks to its reliability, but why do that when you can instead use one of the above unlocks and excel at whatever playstyle you prefer? I'd argue the stock knife should offer a playstyle that's unique to it, but what is the biggest question.
>>333028297
Not only that, but you will always gain a minimum of 75HP on a backstab regardless of the health of the victim, so backstabbing a weaker target won't screw you over. Combine that with 20% damage reduction and you have a spy that is extremely difficult to kill.
>>333000981
>highlander
>the best comp option
>a joke
yeah, Ill just play 6's and enjoy half a game
>>333028351
>Thing is, being able to survive and make another stab is likely worth losing a little reliability
You are forgetting this is 6v6. Spy picking just the demo or medic is game changing and your chance of surviving after the first pick is slim to none. That's all the spy is expected to do. In this case the knife is the best. HL will obviously be different because the spy is expected to die constantly you can afford to take more risks. Missing your target usually won't cost you the point.
>>333028297
Ah, but still useless. You still die to the spam, and still die after the stab. I forgot to mention this, but the health before stab, when it's that low, is actually very critical. If you get spotted out, since one spam rocket can kill you, you will be killed any time you are spotted. It also makes it super easy to spy check seeing as just one simple shot/projectile kills you.
Let's be real for a moment.
TF2 golden age was release to sniper vs spy update.
Some of my fondest memories of the game are from the post scout update craziness.
>>333028719
Maybe, but it seems like people are talking about competitive here, where a spy will generally die no matter what if they get spy checked, and are facing fewer enemies at a time so will take less fire and spam and are also not likely to be expected (unless its HL). In this case, having a knife that gives you a large amount of health to escape and live another day may be nice. The Big Earner is nice for its speed boost obviously.
Honestly, the only knife I think is shit is the YER, all its good for is pub stomping.
>>333028719
Don't forget spy got other overall buffs too. If you're worried about taking random spam cloak will help immensely now. It's a risk with an equally good reward. 210 health that decays 4x slower than overheal, that's nothing to scoff at.
>>332997532
Pub Pyros are so easy to deal with as Pyro even without shotgun, you just got to make them chase you. Your flames will hit them but theirs will not hit you.
>tf2 will never have 100k+ players again
>let alone 150k+
>tf2 esports will never become popular as well as hats/weapons betting
>tf2 will just remain as the autism brony game slowly bleeding itself to death
I actually love tf2 it makes me sad, but rip csgo/dota2 too strongdon't fall for the bait image
>>333028945
The 20% damage reduction basically means a spy has 250 health when they cloak after making a stab. There were plenty of situations where I stabbed someone and got away with a sliver of health left where I'm certain I would have died with any other knife including the BE. People underestimate the shit out of it and don't seem to realize that it's a quite a bit stronger now due to its individual buffs combined with the spy's overall buffs.
>>333028938
I am talking about competitive. You are partially right about the spy checking thing, however, let me explain.
You get caught out, take damage. With the Kunai, you are dead. With other knives, however, you leave the spam, cloak, and then grab health and continue your mission. Even though you didn't get a stab, the other team is already very cautious that you escaped alive. As for the health before stab, here's another example.
You are about to stab the Medic, but someone calls you out. You take damage. In the Kunai's case, you are dead. In other Knife cases, you may live long enough to the/a stab. That's the biggest reason it's not run, actually. Spies almost always get caught before the stab occurs on the combo (in HL), but the extra health can determine whether or not you can still get the stab.
>>333028945
You'll still be easily caught out by the Pyro. If you are on fire, you are usually going to die no matter what. This also requires you to get the stab before getting killed by someone calling you out.
>>333029249
Also, combining it with the diamondback is just downright nasty.
>>333016737
>soldier dies while overextending
>overheals pls med
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdeM7lrTfWA
>>333003719
3348 hour pubmaster here. Less than 1000 hours is nothing when it comes to TF2 autism.
>>333029163
But snipers hunting other snipers is the best part of the class
>>333029163
>80k players peak for TF2
>CS is 840k
>Dota is 1mil
Wow, I wasn't expecting it to be this dead
>>333029308
>You'll still be easily caught out by the Pyro.
What's the problem? Pyro's your hard counter he's supposed to shit on spies regardless.
>>333029439
there was a point where tf2 had 150,000 ish and csgo had 40k, but yeah rip
>>333027538
>Pretty much all of the Pyro mains playing that are good agreed that Pyro is more or less the same in both formats and is in a decent/good position
This is not true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzOcqk9mTPY
Pyro is plagued by bugs, as well as only turning up for approximately 1% of each 6v6 match (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_oQISzBROk). There is no such thing as a "Pyro main" in 6v6 because you can't even run it on a part-time basis.
> Being able to completely stuff an uber by yourself is something ONLY Pyro can do
It's the ONLY thing which makes Pyro worth picking at all, and it ONLY happens for maybe 30 seconds out of a 1 hour game. Even then Engineer can waste an enemy uber too by building a level 3 and Wrangling it, or Demo can waste an enemy Uber with Loose Cannon, knocking back invulnerable players from a distance.
Plus, Pyro honestly isn't even that good at stuffing Ubers on popular maps like Process last because it's such an open space and a lot less chokey.
Pyro is not a good spot. It's way, way, way, way too situational. And now that class limits aren't implemented in Matchmaking, there's even less reason to run one when you could run a second Demo instead.
>>333029365
>those names
>>333029498
CS:GO back then was fucking trash compared to the game now before Valve removed the fog and all the bugs that the game's original developer didn't fix. Source and 1.6 were also still way more popular too at the time
>>332992547
You literally just described Quake, which is the actual best e-sport
>>333029645
Also I'd like to point out that it's not like the people in the Froyo vs Ascent match hate Pyro and that's why they're not picking it, either. Ma3la fucking loves playing Pyro but he's barely running it at all.
>tfw Natascha hasn't been viable for years
I haven't played since the man vs machine patch, what has been changed ?
also, best map isorange
>>333030048
Natascha is viable in Matchmaking at the moment, actually, anon. Get a beta pass and see for yourself how many little Crit-A-Cola niggers are running around.
>>333030329
http://www.teamfortress.com/gunmettle/
http://www.teamfortress.com/toughbreak/
Points of note:
>Demo is nearly well balanced now
>Pyro is even more shit now
>Heavy's damage needs to ramp up by prefiring now- jumping around corners revved is a lot less effective
>Spy got buffs and is slightly better, all his watches are good now
>>333030048
>summer shades
this shit never fitted anyone
>>333030716
Hatless Scout + Summer Shades is pretty cool.
>>333030716
Looks pretty good with team spirit
>>333029467
I know, my point is the Health you get does nothing. That's what I'm trying to say, you don't live with the kunai, with or without the buff. You simply die slower after stab and die much much faster before stab. BE and Spycicle give you a chance to live, and the stock Knife is the middle ground between BE and Spycicle.
In short, the benefits of the Kunai are nowhere near the downsides of it, and even with it's benefit, it still doesn't change much.
>>333029645
Most of those are bugs with the net code/engine. Only two things on that list are due to nerfs. Their main issue is with how inconsistent Pyro is. Otherwise, Pyro is in a good spot. His weapons are good, he can do his job very well, and can stop ubers. There's nothing more you can do with the class besides fix some bugs and maybe give him little bitty buffs. However, I disagree with them on Flarepunching, that shit was stupid as fuck and took little to no effort to pull off. The only reason I'm not going to go into that is because no one really runs flares anymore. I think FP'ing can probably be buffed, but it should not be as strong as it use to be. Prior to nerf, rarely anyone used the Shotgun. Now everyone uses it. They need to find a balance where both are viable. Otherwise, bugs aside, Pyro is good.
>>333031024
The point of the kunai isn't to survive pyros it's to survive everything else, after the first stab you can go for much riskier picks and use your gun way more often because it's so hard to kill you with 210 hp. Afterburn is the exception announcing to your team who the spy is and rendering your cloak useless but I mean even then if you can aim there's nothing stopping you from just backpedaling and shooting him.
No weapon should remove a class's inherent hard counter. Spycicle is dumb as hell and shouldn't exist.
Pyro is easy, but there are some cool mechanics that people tend to miss. What tends to blow minds is how the flame particles have projectile inheritance. It's not very obvious, but you can start a server and use the tf_debug_flamethrower command to see where the actual particles are going (not what you're seeing when playing the game normally).
For example, if you're strafing left and your enemy is strafing to your right (circling, basically), your flames will inherit your left motion. Thus, you need to aim right quite a bit to compensate. This also means running forward will increase the range of your flamethrower and running back will reduce it. A lot of pub pyros don't realize this and just waggle around. If you understand how to curve your flames properly, your DPS increases by a shit ton.
>>333030595
so contracts are like objectives for loot? that's not very original...
was thinking of bringing back ho/v/ when the matchmaking was coming out, but idk, I dont want a dead server
do you guys even want it again?
>>333031382
But you aren't going to survive anything if you don't get the stab, something you won't do because you'll always die before you get the first stab because of how much health you start off with.
You can feel free to use it, no one uses if, I've explained why. Feel free to try it in Plat yourself, but I don't see you getting real far without it. Hell, make a thread on the UGC forums asking about people's thoughts on the Kunai and they will tell you pretty much what I'm saying.
>>333031598
Not worth it, it'll be dead as fuck. Weeabootique is practically always dead if there isn't an announcement. You can try it if you want, but I feel like it'll die really fast.
>>333029365
>Those names
I know what you did thereAryanne is shit, tho
>>333031532
people dont know about this because theres no reason to learn it, the flamethrower is garbage at being a weapon, everyone just uses it as ignition on demand and a psychic lift cannon
its why people want him to be reworked
>>333024192
so you mean all weapons should be stock?
>>333000197
Just like WoW amirite :^)
>>333031721
>something you won't do because you'll always die before you get the first stab because of how much health you start off with.
70 health is enough to get something done, you're a stealth class you have the tools you need to get behind the enemy without being detected if you know what you're doing. If you're trying to argue spy shouldn't have to take any risks ever you're playing the wrong class.
>Feel free to try it in Plat yourself, but I don't see you getting real far without it
When did we start talking about HL? Chainstabs almost never happen in HL so that's redundant. Pub wise kunai is a decent alternative to stock and before you go
>pubs
This is a class that relies on player stupidity to succeed, you aren't going to be able to make him good in competitive without completely changing his playstyle. His job is to kill snipers and if razorback didn't exist he could do that with any knife so it doesn't matter.
>>333031532
>Turns left
>Flames goes to left
That makes no sense, if I turn left, the flames will bend to the right, effectively roasting the soldier
>Running foward will increase your DPS
What the fuck you're talking about
As far as I know, W+M1'ing will reduce your flamethrower range, whereas S+M1'ing will vastly increase it
I'm missing something or I'm just retarded?
>>332993554
You play each hero the exact same way every single time.
You're forced to use the same 1 weapon you're stuck with the entire time.
Where's this variety you speak of?
>>333032348
>As far as I know, W+M1'ing will reduce your flamethrower range, whereas S+M1'ing will vastly increase it
no its the opposite, but because of how slow the particles are to begin with running backward and leaving a trail of them is far better than trying to use them as an actual projectile
like they will TECHNICALLY go farther if you move forward while firing, but its still a shitty idea because it decreases the relative distance between you and your maximum hit distance since youre moving into them instead of away
>>333031024
>Otherwise, Pyro is in a good spot. he can do his job very well, and can stop ubers
Again, as said, ubers only take up about 8 seconds in every game. Then 6v6 players swap away from Pyro as soon as possible. The class isn't worth running for anything else, it's too situational.
>His weapons are good
His primaries are a fucking mess. Backburner never works against intelligent enemies, thus just gimping your airblast. Phlogistinator is in the trash-can. And even with the nerfs, Degreaser is still a better pick than stock.
Melees are also fucked. You can run Powerjack or sometimes Homewrecker. Everything else is just about worthless. Want to use Axtinguisher? No fucking point, it does nearly 100 less damage per second than just using your Flamethrower now.
>However, I disagree with them on Flarepunching, that shit was stupid as fuck and took little to no effort to pull off.
It required the Pyro to be just about in melee range of the enemy. 125HP classes shouldn't even be that close, if they are they deserve punishment.
>Prior to nerf, rarely anyone used the Shotgun. Now everyone uses it
Highlander Pyros ran Shotgun and Flare Gun equally before the Degreaser nerf, actually. Here's some pre-TB POVs of Shotgun being run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy2iJ9jSTjY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYs8zfvLrmY
Now Shotgun is the dominant pick and Flare Gun is ran a lot less.
Anyway, my point is Pyro is NOT in a good spot. Being run for only a few seconds in competitive games is not "a good spot".
>>333032798
Wait wait wait
You're saying this an actual real thing on TF2?
I have played almost hours 1500 believing W+M1 is worse than S+M1, all those hours had been a lie?
Or It's just an idea for a flamethrower rework?
If sleepy as fuck so I maybe missing something
>>332993773
this
>>332994940
classlimit is 1 on demo
or what the fuck are you guys talking about
>>333033150
There are no class limits in MM
>>333032348
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmrtbUO0deI
This is a bad video, but this is what it looks like. You'll see that the particles don't really match what the flames are doing. If you strafe left, your flames will go left and vice versa.
The particles are based on time. They travel for a certain amount of time and then they die. The particles will inherit your forward motion, making them go faster in the same time period, thus giving them more distance. If you run backwards, the particles slow down and cover less distance in the same time period.
how to fix pyromaniac class
>fix bugs such as degreaser not providing the swap speed if it isn't out for a set time, or not letting pyro airblast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Az-g0YIIpk
>Buffing Spy so that people have a reason to run Pyro as a counterpick
>giving Backburner 50% self-damage reduction, similar to the Gunboats, so that Detonator Jumping is actually viable without eating up all your HP, and Pyro has a more skilful way to play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VJqCax0kfw
>increasing stock afterburn damage from 6/sec to 8/sec (same as bleed). Pyro is meant to be the DoT class, yet afterburn is ridiculously easy to counter. Buffing stock would make people slightly more likely to use it over Degreaser
>nerfing all the better-than-stock weapons on the best classes, for example Atomizer, whip, and CaC, so they become sidegrades to stock
>Phlogistinator gets its heal on taunt back, but no longer provides any protection while taunting
>Axtinguisher rework take 4: 100% critical hits against burning targets from behind, 25% damage penalty, extinguishes burning enemies on hit, no random crits.
>Shitty Volcano Fragment now heals user for 100% of afterburn damage done with it (and can overheal), damage penalty increased to 33%
>>333033051
w+m1 is worse than s+m1, unquestionably
moving forward while firing will make the particles go insignificantly farther from their point of origin than moving backward or standing still will
problem being that the point of origin doesnt matter, the pyros position is what matters, and if you need to constantly moving into your own fire to make them go slightly farther theres no reason to do it
>>333014462
The first person shooting mechanics are garbage and do not require precision aiming, even with their terrible attempt at having headshots. Source engine games will always have much better shooting and skill ceiling.
where were you when ETF2L decided to step away from vanilla
>>333033240
>Walks back
>Fire stream increases
>Fire particules travels shortly
>Walks foward
>Fire stream decreases
>Fire particules travels longer
My entire life as a Pyro has been a lie
What the fuck
>>333033376
I
I didn't know this
I never knew flame particles behaved like this
My entire experiencie as Pyro had been a lie
>>333033216
top kek
gotta love valve
>>333024192
>Impairing target's movement in exchange for damage or other stats is bad
Yeah, ok.
I mean how could I use a weapon for anything else other than damage right? Shit's immoral.
tfw have lmabox still
>>333026654
Isn't the Crit cola's entire schtick that you deal crits, but you get critted in return?
I haven't touched the game in years, maybe it was reworked.
>>332992547
>highest skill cap
>demoman
>scout
>sniper
yeah no
>>333033898
at first, it was "deal minicrits, take minicrits"
but nobody used that in pubs, so they gave it a 25% speed boost and increased the duration
then still nobody used it in pubs, so they buffed it again and turned the minicrits on user into 25% more damage taken
STILL nobody used it in pubs, so they reduced the 25% more damage to 10% more damage
And that's how Cancer-Cola got to the state it's in today. The moral of the story is that balancing solely around weapon equip rates in pubs is a bad idea, and that equip rates should be used in conjunction with testing in a serious setting.
Which is what Valve is apparently going to do with matchmaking.
>>333033586
Dat April fools joke
>>333033898
No they buffed it a while back.
>>333033784
Because limiting movement is like forcing the other player to fight you without his keyboard. It's shitty weapon design and you're a faggot for defending it.
>demoman has pills that are somewhat hard to aim
>99% of demoniggers go for loch n load or just degrade to sticky spamming because it's too hard to aim them
>>333033051
>>333033620
It's not really a lie. When you talk about the pyro's range, you mean how far the flamethrower shoots ahead of him, right? Well, the flamethrower shoots a shorter distance ahead of him while moving forward and a longer distance while moving back. The particles are affected by movement to compensate for the sharp decrease in range when moving foward.
For example, imagine if the flamethrower particles moved at the same speed as the Pyro, and they weren't affected by movement. If the pyro W+M1'd, he would be walking right next to his fire particles as opposed to fire being sprayed ahead of him, giving an effective attack range of zero. In order for their particle system to work, they have to be affected by momvent.
Honestly, I wish they'd scrap the particle concept and give it a fixed range.
>>333034641
Loch is probably the most imbalanced weapon Demo still has, even with all the nerfs and buffs Valve have tried to give it.
I wish they could make it balanced, but not in a messy way. Something that didn't make him so good against Scouts.
>Reduced projectile falloff (flies further, but not faster)
>+50% Increased explosion radius (fucking big booms)
>-50% clip size
>No rollers
when you land a direct hit on someone the explosion will be bigger, but it no longer has the projectile speed boost that makes it cancer against Scouts
>>333034641
It doesn't matter, pubbies will still complain
>Use stickies to get players to strafe into my pills
>Get called a sticky spammer anyway
>Black Box + Concheror
>Heals you about 20 damage per shot
>passively heals you 4 hp/sec if you haven't taken damage in a little while
Is there a worse "xXL0N3W0LFXx" set in the whole game?
>on a pub fucking around with friend
>some brony demoman cuck and his pocket medic join the enemy team
>he just keeps spamming stickybombs with constant crits from his medic
>he dominates everyone because he's playing on easy mode
>simply tell him that he should try using grenade launcher
>triggered.jpg
>he goes on this massive rant on how they spam stickies in competetive, so it actually takes skill
>his medic friend keeps riding his dick the whole way through
>"fine, ill use stickies just to show you how good i am :3"
>im not kidding this nigger actually did a cat face
>go scout only to make his aim seem shittier
>dominate him without even getting hit, and his medic too
>just say "i love videogames"
>they both leave
>mfw demo mains still claim sticky spam takes skill
>>333035017
Demoknights
>Hey demo think you could blow up this sentry?
>MUH HEADS
>>333035017
Don't forget to add Escape Plan to that, aka the Gloves of Running Urgently for the Soldier
>>333035087
>>go scout only to make his aim seem shittier
Scout is Demoman's counter.
>>333035294
how the fuck was I supposed to know that shit, I never play scoutI usually play heavy, soldier, or demo with scottish resistance
>there are people on /v/ RIGHT NOW who still think demo is OP
>>333027253
>Buffing Revolver would make Spy too Sniper-like
It's almost like 99% of spies don't run around with the ambassador!
>>333035375
Fair enough, well I'll clue you in: Scout is the best class for evading Demo's dodgeable projectiles, and he can get right up close in demo's face and shoot him, which is where Demo is at the biggest disadvantage (can't shoot without hitting himself).
It goes like so
Scout>Demo>Engineer>Scout
That said, good job for killing the pocket buttbuddies anyway. I fucking hate those cunts, a pair in every server.
Scottish Resistance is fun, but if you want to get anywhere in competitive matchmaking, you might want to retrain yourself with something with a faster reaction time. Stickytrapping isn't as useful in 5CP because you might spend 10 minutes setting up bombs on a point only to find your team has capped and you have to move on
>>333035552
Well if we increased the strength of Amby any further (even increasing base damage by 10) it would be able to oneshot 125HP classes, which is probably not a good idea.
![demo_shades[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/WdC6dbO.png "demo shades[1]")
![P0AXCxG[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/UZtUgWs.png "P0AXCxG[1]")
