>not gook infested
>highest skill cap
>doesn't require autistic game knowledge of 100s of heroes
>easy to follow even if you don't play the game
>most exciting to watch, because it's action packed from the start and every kill is so important
>>332992547
Sure I guess. Comp matchmaking will be fun.
TF2 is the only really good shooter that is still active anymore. Any amount of crying over cosmetics and muh community isn't going to change that.
>>332992547
I ran HL/HL2 mod servers since the original CS betas, but TF2 going F2P finally broke my will. The sheer influx of foreigners and noobs was more than I could deal with...or maybe I just got old.
Then again, that was what 6-7 years ago?
When the fuck would I ever need FOUR spies on a team?
>>332992706
i enjoy the cosmetics
the only people that don't are unfashionable or poor
>>332992930
Don't forget lazy.
>>332992547
nah just ponyfucker infested
Thats enough to make it a shit game.
>>332993350
>being this autistic
baka
>launch tf2
>press play now
>load into an empty server
>close tf2
>>332992547
its 7 years and they still haven't fixed the weapon animations
there's no individual skill in tf2
>>332992547
TF2 is awful. The classes have stagnated and the variety is awful. I'll wait for overwatch, at least there will be some variety to look forward to.
>>332993554
At least tf2 isnt developed by a bunch of feminist cucks
>>332993554
20 tic.
>>332993554
T W E N T Y
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>>332993496
>not opening the classic, standard server browser like everyone else
>not playing on official valve servers, always filled to the brim and with the widest variety of player skills ranging from pubstomping professionals down to the very bottom feeders
>>332993864
What's even more ridicilous is that they ask for a full price. I would MAYBE buy it if it costed 15€
>>332993951
THICK
>>332993554
>I'll wait for overwatch, at least there will be some variety to look forward to.
Overwatch is even less varied if anything, though.
>>332992547
The pacing is terrible for spectators so it will never be popular to watch.
However, it's by far the best FPS we have right now (in terms of relevancy) for raw skill.
>>332992547
>>not gook infested
Instead it's infested with autistics and tradefags if you play anything but hardcore competitive.
Any of you guys tried out matchmaking? I think it's pretty fun but have nobody to lobby up with.
>>332993554
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/708/952/914/activision-blizzard-please-remove-guns-from-your-game-%22overwatch.%22/
>>332993554
Just got done playing for a couple hours.
The problem with variety in Overwatch is that its forced. You have to constantly switch characters to counter other teams throughout the match. It's fucking stupid. Not to mention character stack cheesing.
>valve is going to nerf the fuck out of all the unlocks after MM exits beta
can't wait, the pub shitter tears will be delicious
>>332993496
>>332994514
False, even Valve servers have mid to high skilled players, idlers and traders get ridiculed and kicked, I wouldn't be surprised if you were overwatch shills.
![demo_shades[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/WdC6dbO.png "demo_shades[1].png")
so will comp teams be 5 demos + 1 medic?
or 4 demos +2 medic
>>332994875
>2 demos
>2 soldiers
>1 scout
>1 medic
wow that was hard to figure out
I think the game is great, it's just the community that sucks.
I tried playing not so long ago in that game mode in which two teams have to escort their bomb or whatever it was to the other team's base. I joined a game that's already started and both of the teams ended up roughly at the same level of progress. I rushed and almost got it in and as soon as I did so, I saw somebody say in the chat
>Who the hell is pushing the cart?
>it's Anon
>sb kick Anon
I have no idea what the fuck happened there
>>332994875
4 scouts 2 quickfix medics
>>332992930
I was all for cosmetics up until weapon skins. They look like shit in CS:GO and they look like shit here too
>>332993350
Find a good online game that isn't mlp fucker infested. Remember that fandom started on 4chan. We're the same demographic for video games, basically.
>>332994971
Do not enter in furry servers
>>332992930
have they lifted halloween restrictions yet?
it seems silly when there are so many non-halloween cosmetics that look just as ridiculous
>>332995023
I like the weapon skins, but the wear on them doesn't fit tf2 at all. Also the quality / skin system on tf2 is fucked. They need to consolidate it instead of mashing several systems together
>>332994875
Most likely will still be regular 6s lineup because it's the most fun and flexible setup. Sticky traps all over the place is good on paper but usually the maps are designed so that you really only need 2 demos to lockdown all the entrances and that other spot can usually be filled by the roamer and without scouts and soldiers medics are easily picked off and lit enemies can't be quickly cleaned up.
I used to play this game a lot, but then I got 20 backstabs in a row as spy and it felt like there wasn't anything to play for anymore.
>haven't played TF2 in 2+ years
>give it a try not too long ago
>all my old favorite servers are dead
>shit like killstreak weapons and strange hats exist
>can't trade up for hats like I used to because decent cosmetics cost multiple keys and keys cost like 20 ref now
What the fuck happened
>>332992547
Post more webms.
>>332994875
3 demo 3 medic used to steamroll everything else in beta
that's why comp teams are limited to 1 demo 1 medic
traditional 6v6 comp layout was 2 scout 2 solly 1 demo 1 medic
if you want to play one of the other classes you might as well play highlander
>>332995271
everyone now is so aware of spies that they are just about worthless
How can you define whether the shooter is competetive or not?
>>332994940
>not 1 stock medic + 1 quickfix medic
>>332995541
Is there a competitive scene?
If yes, then it's competitive
If no, then it's not
>>332993554
>press X to do a cool thing
>no further applications for that thing; a rocket jump is in one arc and one height
>meanwhile there's more room for skill in a single mechanic like soldier's rocketjumping then in an entire hero worth of design
no thanks
>>332995271
>You will never be good at Spy
>>332995089
>Find a good online game that isn't mlp fucker infested
Runescape
>>332995452
Demo is a lot weaker now so that's not as much the case. He is hard counter by scout and hard counters engineer. He can put out a lot of damage but can't finish people off and can't defend himself. He fits his niche well.
>>332995646
Basically every shooter can be competetive if it has multiplayer then.
>>332995541
Depends on how angry people get when they lose.
>>332995941
So is cards against humanity competitive? You play that with multiple people. Is 100% competitive? You play that with multiple people. Is Call of Duty competitive? You play that with multiple people.
>>332995941
wow you're a genius m8
>>332995408
A very, very big update.
http://www.teamfortress.com/gunmettle/
![P0AXCxG[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/UZtUgWs.png "P0AXCxG[1].png")
>>332995765
>5 years ago
Man time flies
>>332995941
Can, yes. You actually need a comp scene to be competitive.
>>332996157
I've seen CoH tournaments at conventions before.
>>332993554
is matchmaking open to public yet?
>>332994154
>40$ is full price.
>>332993554
A friend got into Overwatch beta and wasn't interested, so he let me use his account
After a while (level 7) I got the point of it, but was wondering why the fuck I wasn't just playing TF2 instead, which is way more fun
So I reinstalled and started playing TF2 for the first time in 5 years. I love that game.
I'm looking forward to matchmaking coming to fruition. It's been fun to play, hopefully it is the second wind that tf2 needs. Hoping this also revitalizes and grows the comp scene, enough for there to be meaningful lans in NA with meaningful prize pools.I'd like to find/join a team to play competitively with
too bad the tf2 dev team has a literal ponyfucker in it
guy even has a fucking mlp steam pic and all
>>332997262
who cares?
>>332997147
How many hours you got and what 6s classes can you play? Do you have a beta pass? I could use some more people.
>>332997298
I have principles
so I do
I was hoping for a tf2 thread because I think it's basically dead. Like matchmaking won't reinvigorate it, tf2 is too casual. Also the fact that any time I open the game now I have to see a bunch of fucking streamers pisses me off. Im just mad I hate tf2 I dont like competition i like jerking off on hightower.
>>332997380
that's retarded
whofighting amphibians
here
>>332992547
Anyone got that pic where you can tell what game people play from their steam avatar?
>>332997434
is that blood did he just get finished eating out a girl who was on her period
why is this allowed?
>>332997262
but jill's a pretty cool guy, comes into streams and gives beta passes for giveaways
>>332992547
Pretty fun
Just played a few rounds of TF2. Still a whole lot of fun, and I'm excited for competitive play, but the community's spark is gone. Weeabootique is gone, House of /v/irgins too, and quite a few more that I'm missing probably.
Also I defended TF2's cosmetics up until that robo hat update, after that I realized that there's way too many fucking hats. On the plus side there are so many cosmetics, Refined's gotten so low, and craft hats are three refined that you can get shitloads of new hats for super cheap. Whole market for everything besides unusuals just tanked.
>>332997420
>hightower fag
Kill yourself, TF2 is not about TDM and never should be.
>>332997532
>2016
>people still w+m1
why
>>332997374
I have 2600 hours
I play scout but can play roamer/gunboats pocket if needed
I have a beta passI can't play again until at least friday as I am out of town at the moment
before I get too involved, what are your stats?
>>332997532
>still haven't fixed laggy pyro flamethrowers
That shit is just ridiculous up there with melee and hits killing you behind walls.
>>332997713
nah senpai im not saying tdm. I just like fucking around. Idk there's no fun if I wanted to play a competitive game I wouldn't have unistalled CS:GO
>>332997713
>playing tf2 on my old account
>dated around 2007
>hit play now for payload race
>hightower
>get on the cart
>squeaker calls me an F2P retard for trying to play the game instead of team deathmatch
>>332997532
you're visibly teleporting in this webm which means your ping is at least 150
don't play on servers where you get 150 ping or fix your shitty internet/rate settings retard
>>332997713
I enjoy arena.
>>332997759
4700h demo main, new to 6s though.
Got two quake veterans on scout and roamer. Have a few other players but they're not available that often for various reasons. We need more dedicated players with free time. If nothing else if you want to sub in for our games that's cool too. Playing MM.
>>332997532
>Not using shotgun on pyro
>Getting zonned that hard
It's like the dude doesn't know the map or how to play pyro.
Is tf2 dead?
>>332998369
>It's like the dude doesn't know how to play pyro
of course not he's a pyro player lmao
>>332998527
Yes, everyone just stopped playing it today and every single server shut down.
>>332994048
>Join Valve server
>One team is always obliterating the other team
>Always only a small handful of players who are above average
>They are always on the same team
>Every other player is bottom scrub tier
This has been literally every game on a Valve server that I'v played these last few years. Where are these mythical servers people keep talking about?
>>332998312
sure man add me up
http://steamcommunity.com/id/katzy
>>332994795
This sounds to good to be true anon, source?
>>332998759
They don't exist.
The majority of the TF2 fanbase doesn't want to improve and just plays for the fucking cosmetics and silly weapons. Teamwork in pubs died with the F2P update.
>>332999006
>teamwork in pubs died
There was barely any of it ever. I would know, I'm closing in on 3000 hours and have played since 2007.
I don't get all the hate for TF2. It's actually a pretty fun game to just play in short bursts and someone who has only played 10 hours still has a pretty good chance against someone with 1000 hours.
in case anyone wasn't aware, valve is actually putting servers in areas they haven't before (parts of asia and south america) to get the br's and koreans out of NA games
>>332994795
What makes you think that, when stock is already the superior option to most classes?
>>332994971
plr_hightower is used for team deathmatch.
>>332992547
>>doesn't require autistic game knowledge of 100s of heroes
trying to git gud at spy is fucking demoralizing, it's made me insta-uninstall numerous times.
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>>332999262
>when stock is already the superior option to most classes?
lol no
>crit a cola, atomiser, basher
>amby, spicicle, c&d
>degreaser, reserve shooter, powerjack
>tomislav, sandvich, grus
>escape plan, reserve shooter
>ubersaw, crossbow
>widowmaker, wrangler
>jarate, bushwacka
>>332999502
>crit a cola
Stopped reading there
>>332999502
>>crit a cola, atomiser, basher
>using a crutch
stopped reading there
>>332999495
GET FOOD, GET LUNCHBOX!
LUNCHBOX - BEST FREE TF2 SNACKS!
Short Circuit is fairly amusing to use, though I do wish it had its old vaporization sound.
>>332999175
Barely any of it is still much better than none at all. Some attempt was made to work together, even if it was the occasional "medic and heavy are coming for the intel". Being useless or being a "friendly" was considered griefing your own team. The community was always casual but there was an understanding that you were playing a team based video game. It was fucking beautiful.
>>332992547
>esport
>no tournaments
>no prize pool
>no support from any leagues
it's a dead game and overwatch will take its place. sorry!
>>332999798
blizzard please
>>332999632
you are seriously saying that pistol is better than crit a cola?
>>332997434
chustlers a faggot
>>332999798
go away blizzard, this is a comfy tf2 thread.
>>332993554
Overwatch is a watered down TF2 with waifu bullshit tossed in to get weebs, gooks, and prepubescent squeakers into the literal circlejerk party. It's also overpriced as fuck for what it's giving you, it should be $30 max.
>>332999632
Crit a cola is one of the strongest unlocks in the game.
>No damage falloff
>Scout can now stand further away and still do high damage giving him plenty of time to dodge anything you throw at him
>Gets a movespeed boost on top of that
>For 10% more damage which doesn't change the TTK. Even if you landed a perfect max rampup rocket it wouldn't be enough to kill. You still need two.
Crit a cola in the hands of a good scout is fucking devastating.
>>332999798
t. blizzard employee
>>332999481
the trick to being good at spy is to play other classes
seriously, get a good handle on those and a lot of some core spy values come from (like what disguise to use where, how certain enemies will react to and defend against spies)
Personally I learned to play spy using the YER, it's pretty alright for practicing the use of your watches and how to approach enemies
>>332997532
>that autistic as fuck hud that tells you what fucking map you're playing
>>332999632
>>332999658
you should probably stop samefagging there
>>333000089
k
>>332999851
>>332999975
>>333000034
the amount of denial tf2 players are under is sickening. tf2 will only lose players at this point
>>333000070
If you play pyro I'm sure you can find this very useful
>>333000197
blizzard, stop
>>333000197
>tf2 will only lose players at this point
I'm glad that the players leaving are mostly kids, thx blizzard for helping to better the tf2 community
>>333000070
It's a stream spectator hud
>>332999502
>spycicle
>>333000000
>>333000197
Ok, you win, tf2 is dead, i going to hang myself now.you happy now faggot?
>>332997532
>using a flamethrower on pyro
>that asspie as fuck "pr0 g4ym3r tryhard" hud
please tell me this f2p isn't some big name streamer or something.
>>333000000
I can handle criticism, what's the prob
>>333000250
>reeeeeee he must be a blizzard employee
i hate blizzard. world of warcraft killed swg. i will never play any of their garbage ever, including overwatch which as casual as fuck. you're still in denial about the reality of the situation
>>333000363
kids are a vital part of growing a community and having a competitive game whether you like it or not
>>333000423
>lawn machine
>>333000363
for realsies, even though everyone is complaining about the mobile authenticator being needed to get in to matchmaking and stuff, I think it's a godsend because you have to be old enough to own a smart phone in order to play, it's a great child filter on valves behalf.
>>333000363
I grew up with TF2 and dropped this game.
It just isn't fun anymore.
>>333000520
>>that asspie as fuck "pr0 g4ym3r tryhard" hud
see >>333000371
retard
>>333000568
>I-I'm not gonna play it, but it will kill TF2, trust me!
Just stop
>>332998369
>>332998567
>not knowing how to play the easiest fucking class in gaming
>there are people who haven't played as Melee Only Heavy
This loadout would probably work better with the Mustachioed Mann since it's all-class now
>>333000614
>old enough to own a smart phone
>he's never seen a child with a smartphone
lol must be nice not living in ameria
>>333000672
>cleaver
>without the sandman
Do you even want free crits?
>>333000692
i tried, i just wish i could be there when reality finally hits you
>>333000735
>ameria
fucking kill me i meant america
>>333000771
Sorry friend, I'm not a god damn plebian
>>333000714
>orange jew
>>333000793
TF2 isn't going to die, m8
>>333000614
It's the way around today
>>333000049
I've always wanted to play as Spy, but I'm just so shit at this game (even when playing as Heavy) that it's simply impossible.
Also so close to >>333000000
>>333000714
I've been playingK.G.Buckshotheavy
you know, get crits with gloves and kill with shotgun because the buff wears off by the time you spin up the minigun
Only works well on KOTH maps though
>>333000520
>doesn't see extv logo
>thinks that people actually play with that kind of hud
>thinks that you can see enemy health in huds
>doesn't recognize ANY of the names there
I'll spoon feed you. It's a plat highlander game. The highest level of highlander.
but it's >highlander
so
yeah it's already kind of a joke.
>>332998306
>tfw arena is your favourite gamemode
>no one plays it
>>333001039
>Arena is the only game mode that doesn't have official servers
>>333001169
Are you saying that there are official servers that still run Player Destruction?The alien booze mode.
>>333001039
>tfw territorial control is your favorite gamemode
competitive tf2 isnt a thing
its a game thats only good for messing around in
just think about the amount of content thats been produced for the game that has little to no influence on the gameplay itself
namely; cosmetics, reskins, taunts, contracts.
compared to actual new maps, weapons, game modes.
its really more like an interactive social lobby like habbo hotel at this point
still can be fun tho
>>333001039
valve added a new arena map in the invasion update, the first time they've done that in YEARS. Hopefully it's a sign that they'll be adding more.
>>333000876
all I can say is practice practice practice. gain awareness of the game and it's mechanics and you will begin to excel.
>some classes obviously better than others
>horrible gun balance
>laser bullets
>cancer comunity divided into like 3 or 4 competitive scenes
>have to remove entire classes from the game to make it "competitive" when it just becomes a goofier, dumbed down quake for explosive characters and a dumbed down counter strike for bullet characters
>everytime it's balanced people cry for a change, and end up banning everything
nope, but fun for casuals I guess
>>333001364
It's just "how does it feels when girls buy and wear new clothes" simulator
>>333001039
you're in luck cuz everyone plays every game mode like its arena/deathmatch anyways
>>333000859
i'm not saying it's going to die. i'm saying any chance of having a real competitive scene is dead
I kind of feel like playing this again sometimes, but all the cosmetic shit and trashcan performance is a giant turnoff.
>>333001441
>I don't know how competitive tf2 works: the post
>>332995271
>Use to pubstomp as spy during high school
>Use to get such a rush executing a good planned back stab on good players
>Most fun I had playing the game
>Play spy now
>Back stabs are mostly free
>Rush is gone
>Fun is gone
>tfw but it's the same game anon!
>>333001648try to main another class
>>333001648
play some highlander lobbies as spy man, the experience is still there just in another format
>>333001337
I know that fucking feel.
If Hydro didn't have such insane chokepoints in the beginning it wouldn't have been so quickly abandoned.
>>333001561
thats why i stopped playing for a little while
seeing people hop around with their flaming neon purple lightning bolt skin weapons and raincloud plasma ball unsual hats and a pocket medic is just annoying
>>332992547
>highest skill cap
>>333001619
nice rebutal, faggot
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Competitive_item_restrictions
>implying 6v6, 9v9 and 4v4 don't throw shit at each other all the time
>they don't ban classes
>the weapons don't work like fucking laser guns
You know everything I said was true, nigger
>Can run modern games at max quality
>Try to run TF2 at the lowest settings gives intense frame drops all the time ranging from 30 to 150. Never consistent.
>Running the game at max settings does the same thing.
I remember playing this game on my GTX 275 and now I can barely run it on anything. Should've spent more resources porting this to Source 2 instead.
We can agree cp_steel is best map, right?
>>332994971
Retards control the hightower servers
It's fitting BC it's a retard map
>>333001938
>the weapons don't work like fucking laser guns
I'm not him, but what are you trying to imply here? Hitscan has been a thing since the beginning of FPS games. Quake 3 had hitscan, CS has hitscan, CoD has hitscan, RTCW has hitscan, so many FPS games have hitscan.
>>333001825
Yeah, the gameplay base is good but the artstyle being set on fire and thrown out in the name of money sucks.
>>333002002
I remember playing this years ago on a Q6600 and a 9600GT with zero issues, now my 2GB 7870+i7 920 struggles to keep a stable 60fps with an fps config on smaller pub maps, it's depressing.
>>333001825
>come back to tf2 for the first time in 6 months
>manage to get semi-good at scout again
>can reliably kill limescouts with gaudy unusuals over and over
Especially easy since so many scouts nowadays are running sandman&cleaver and panic when they run out of ammo for their scattergun. Get some good meatshots in and finish them off with the pistol as they backpedal.I use the capper for added insult.
>>333001441
>t. 24/7 2fort pubbie
The reason why the other classes aren't in 6s is because they're either very situational (sniper/spy) or they specialize in defense. Contrary to popular belief the reason why, for example, heavy isn't run more often is because he's incredibly good at countering aggressive play and guarding the medic. You can't bomb when a heavy is on the field and you can't cap when a heavy is on the field. His air control and enormous health pool means to defeat him you have to play very passively. This is what makes him a popular choice for last holds being a giant meat wall blocking the point. However unlocks like the eviction notice and the GRU means heavy can potentially be run on every point now that his mobility problem is no longer an issue. Let's say that was allowed, how would that change the game? Well now mid fights would be much more drawn out and a lot spammier because the enemy team can't take risks or play aggressively. It slows the game down to unreasonable levels and makes it less fun for everyone involved. There's a reason HL is so boring, when you have so many defense classes on the field at once its impossible for one player to accomplish anything and every fight is dragged out.
>>333002157
Yes, but those games also had recoil.
>>333002340
>quake has recoil
uwotm8
>>333002336
If you need to ban shit from the vanilla game then it's not good competitive, dipshit. That's what OP asked, that's what I responded.
>HL is boring
>the way the game is supposed to be played is boring
Jesus fucking crist, stop.
>>332992547
>High skill cap
>Entire map is for the most part locked down by two classes
>Ability to move is considered such a large premium that several classes will only see play in Highlander due to them being REQUIRED by the game rules.
>Class balance and weapon balance is skewed heavily and several core aspects that are inherently broken have remained so since launch.
Yep, sure seems like a balanced and exciting E-sport, what flavor is the Kool-Aid this week?
>>333002450
Well, not quake, but that one's good at competitive for diferent reasons.
TF2 was basically the last bastion of hope for people wanting to play a high skillcap quakelike since the extremely low skill floor lead to a shitload of players online at any time to get destroyed.
But F2P made those players so bad the game got boring. I couldn't play leagues without actually scheduling time for matches and I was banned from ringing for teams since I kept putting them in higher brackets than they could deal with when I left.
TF2 was fun as shit but goddamn F2P and the huge influx of burst damage weapons to appease lower skilled players ruined it for me.
My hope now is on the new UT, it's no bullshit at the moment but I'm sure they'll fuck it up somehow.
I love arena shooters especially since there was no like hour commitment to play a game and all raging was about the person you played against being "a fag" simply for beating you.
Now every game you play you have to deal with being matched with other people who could be complete dogshit AND you're stuck with them for an hour rather than being able to leave.
>>>333001938
>some classes obviously better than others
Actually classes have counters, as an example (typically) demomen will shit on engies, scouts will shit on demomen, and engies will shit on scouts.
>horrible gun balance
I don't even understand what you're trying to say here, as most classes do ~100 damage optimally with their primary weapon by either a) hitting directly with a projectile class or b) getting close enough and hitting center mass
>laser bullets
There is literally nothing wrong with hitscan, especially in comp formats where there is no bullet spread. If someone clicks on you, you get hit.
>cancer comunity divided into like 3 or 4 competitive scenes
the main two are 6's and HL, and even then there is a massive amount of crossover between the two. 4v4 is made up almost entirely of players from the other two formats, but isn't recognized by most of the community.
>have to remove entire classes from the game to make it "competitive" when it just becomes a goofier, dumbed down quake for explosive characters and a dumbed down counter strike for bullet characters
Actually the other classes aren't removed from 6's, they are "off classes" because they are situational and used to catch the enemy off guard, or breach a weakness in the enemies playstyle (heavies if the enemy isn't focusing, spy for sniper/med/demo picks etc)
>evrtime it's balanced people cry for change, end up banning everything
The only thing I remotely agree with here, exaggerated.
good?
>>333002503
>>the way the game is supposed to be played is boring
>>332997713
Hightower in my opinion is one of the greatest deathmatch levels ever made, I had so much fun playing low playercount servers just murdering nerds all day.
After like 3k hours I didn't give a shit about objectives, but damn was it fun to see how many kills I could get in a row.
>>333002503
Yeah because valve knows never makes mistakes right?
I'll let you in on a little secret, the real reason why there are so many unbalanced unlocks is because valve makes more money that way. Imagine you're a F2P retard who just started the game, you jump in a server and suddenly an all stock soldier destroys you in your first game. Most people wouldn't want to keep playing after that and if they aren't playing they aren't buying cosmetics. So valve gave these lazy shitters all these crutches to give them an edge over veterans and make it easier to ignore a classes inherent downsides and keep their parents money rolling in. The only reason valve wants to balance the weapons now is because overwatch exists and TF2 is starting to look like pocket change compared to CSGO which IS competitive focused. If you seriously can't play without unlocks you are part of the F2P 300 ping potatoes valve caters too.
>>333000981
>highest level in competitive scene still has tards like that blue pyro in it
Huh. Looks like there's big money waiting for me there
>>333003370
there was literally nothing wrong with the R8 when it got added, it just needed less armor penetration because hollow point rounds are supposed to be worse at penetration for a reason
>>333002928
You and me know that 6v6 is the main competitive format, if the game favors offense then, yes, the offensive classes are better than the defensive ones, therefore the term "off classes", yes I get, every class gets to do something in 6s but that doesn't make every class equal.
And if everything is "not that balanced" then you wouldn't have this shit
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Competitive_item_restrictions
If you have to modify the game to be competitive by banning everything and favor the offensive classes for sake of entretainment then the game is not balanced
If the community considers HL boring then that means the game is not good at competitive because it needs an audience to be competitive.
>>332992824
The F2P invasion has died down long ago, just fyi. There's still the occasional noob here and there though
>>333003542
>nothing wrong with R8
>$850 awp is balanced
Opinion discarded
>>333003370
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Competitive_item_restrictions
Also I have 800 hours fagget
>>332992930
I need to get those wings.
>>333003370
The funniest thing to me is the addition of the direct hit.
Valve marketed that as a skillful weapon which rewards players by giving increased damage for no splash. Sounds skillful on paper but then they increased the projectile speed so much it take's a complete retard to miss a shot and they put it over the 125 dmg threshold so a lucky hit will autokill nearly half the classes in the game.
If the direct hit were ever to actually be a "skilled player's" weapon it would be something like a no splash rocket launcher that splashed on direct hits and instantly added an extra rocket to your clip when you land one. No bonus projectile speed, no bonus damage, no aerial bonus.
>>333003697
t. mad nova shitter
Just stopping by to point out that competitive TF2 is autistic and the community is dying, divided, elitist, and unwilling to accept change.
>>333003719
What exactly are you trying to prove here? >800 hours
>he thinks that's a lot
kek
>>333003756
Soldier is a retard class in general, so who cares?
>>333004000
Just stopping by to say really nice numbers, bro
>>333003135
I used to be like you, but just recently I realized that not having an objective on that map allows shitters to hide in their own spawn doors, potshotting everything and running back to their resupply cabnet the moment anyone looks at them.
>>333004082
>I said that's a lot
Wow nicely done Mr. Faggot.
>it gets good at the 2000 hours
Kill your self.
>>333004132
Thanks friend, trips confirm that my butthurt is valid.
>>333004187
Several thousand is average among competitive players. 800 is fucking nothing.
@333004187
budget (you)
>>333004109
Soldier's fun as hell if you go gunboats and learn to chain rocket jumps.
Once you can do shit like going from badwater's last cap large healthkit to the roof above the second cap in one clip without even thinking the game becomes amazing since you are literally a god and nobody will ever kill you again in a pub unless you specifically fuck up hard.
That kind of thing makes me want to play TF2 again but then I remember it's still a gigantic pile of shit now.
>>333004445
Soldier is totally fun and has a high skill ceiling, but I maintain that a small dog could top score with stock Soldier reliably.
>>333004304
So? I don't need to be good at competitve to realise it's shit. If you honestly think that 800 hours is not enough to criticize a game then you are fucking retarded and that kind of mentallity is why TF2 will never triumph at competitive.
>>333004668
I don't think anyone would argue otherwise
>>333004672
it's 800 hours of bottom tier pubspubs dont matter
>>333003473
>highest level in competitive scene
highest level of Highlander. 6's is the highest level of play. Also hope the prize pools become large enough when 9 people have to be paid out.
>>333003602
it's not just about being offensive, but also being able to push the line of skirmish further at a rapid rate with mobility. Some classes aren't meant to have high mobility when they are already filling specialized roles. The classes are not meant to be "equal" in the sense that "any class can be viable at any time".
I've never fully agreed with item restrictions personally, I'm not really sure who gets to make that call.
classes and weapons are not banned for the sake of entertainment. Classes are restricted in numbers at one time, but if say b4nny really wanted to roll to mid as a heavy or sniper there's nothing stopping him. The second place winners at i55 almost exclusively ran a sniper to mid, and it worked pretty well for them.
Getawhale has repeatedly said that casting HL is terrible because you're trying to keep up with 18 players at once, even with their "cheat sheet" that reads out airshots, low health kills, etc since the game server ran 30 seconds faster than what spectators in server see. In the same breath, highlander really is an organized pub at it's core, just with more communication.
>>333004672
>I don't need to be good at competitve to realise it's shit
>translation: bawww they said I couldn't run pyro to mid fucking tryhards bawww
>>333004836
Oh yeah I forgot they ban everything in competitve because it's an unbalanced game.
>>333004946
>translation: I put thousand of hours in this game so it MUST be good waaa you meanie
>>333004990
no shit because valve are retards
you ban shit to make it more entertaining/interesting
nobody wants to watch a team sit on a point with 3 heavies and 3 medics or some dumb shit that's fucking boring
>>333004990
And restrictions make it balanced again so what's the fucking problem? Unbalanced and casual are not the same thing, TF2 has an incredibly high skill ceiling and it takes thousands of hours to master ONE 6s class.
>>332992547
action packed mashing of m1+m2
>>333003370
>R8
>mistake
t. silver
I keep coming back from time to time
Its still fun
>>333005180
6v6 is not TF2.
TF2 is a boring unbalanced game.
6s might not be a boring unbalanced game.
but 6s is not how TF2 was supposed to be played
>>333005115
No it's good because 5k hours later and I still have a lot to learn. TF2 at its core is an incredibly complex game. The best players in the world have 10k+ hours and even they still make mistakes from time to time.
>>333005527
why's it matter if it's "how it's supposed to be played" or not though
if it's fun to play it's fun to play?
>>332995271
Played the 360 version. When the game came out you could kill so many people just hiding near the enemy spawn. There are people still wondering one thing though...Update when?
>>333005527
Says who?
>>333005641
Fun =/= Competitive
I think you need to reread the question in the OP.
>>333005527
then why is valve doing 6v6 matchmaking?
>>333005764
6v6 with bans is fairly competitive, no?
base tf2 is not and will never be ever because valve are colossal retardsi haven't touched this shit in like 3 years, why am i defending it?
>>333005881
>with bans
what
>>333005813
Because that's what the people want and because Overwatch just came out.
Do you ever wonder why now that TF2 has a competition they decided to finally give the competitve scene the thing they've been crying for over 5 years?
>>333005979
item bans/class restrictions, sorry for any confusion
>>333005993
>valve is only doing 6s because overwatch came out
holy shit this bait sucks
>>333006115
>literally a beta after "4 years in development"
keep desilutional, also you conveniently forgot my other reason, dipshit.
>>333006109
Do you mean a list of items that you can't take into competitive, and caps on the amount of a given class you have on a team?
I thought you meant DotA-style class bans, that would be retarded
>>332995089
This is such a good point. You're making too much sense right now.
>>333006235
>desilutional
>>333006235
Well hopefully it would have been be worth the wait.
>>333006282
>>333006238
yeah, competitive 6v6 is like that but i forget the exact rules because i haven't played in forever
someone posted the list earlier, it's stupidly large because valve can't balance for shit and there's some explanations about classes further up
i think the rules are the same across regions, i can try and answer any questions you have though!
>>332992547
fix pyro heavy engie and spy and the handful of other broken unlocks and the game might actually be fun vanilla
>>333006483
nice mspaint comic, you've shown me!
>>333005993
http://www.teamfortress.tv/8952/?page=1#post-132283
https://www.vg247.com/2014/11/07/overwatch-announced-by-blizzard-at-blizzcon-2014/
comp has been in the works since before overwatch announced friend. I'd say overwatch was an incentive for valve to kick it in to gear, but it was still a thing before it came along.
>>333006235
>desilutional
>>333001337
It hurts that I'll likely never play it agian.
They're actually taking updates and resubmissions from content creators now, I love it so much.
>>333006554
>since before
>meaning years
>and they just released a beta
Yeah, I can tell.
>>333006630
>They didn't give the Gift Bringer to Heavy to begin with even though he's the only fat guy on the team
Also the 2nd All-Father style just looks like the Bull beard that's Halloween only
![[⊂¡] craven moorhead is looking good!.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KOD4w1K.jpg "[⊂¡] craven moorhead is looking good!.jpg")
>>333006630
>the all-father is available to the other manly classes now
>you can finally have a Demo that looks like that one reaction image someone made out of a randomizer screenshot
>>333006656
It was still confirmed to be happening before overwatch was announced, whether you choose to acknowledge that or not
>>333006748
It's similar, but it's not like completely identical or anything.
Either way, the fact that after FOUR YEARS, close to five, they actually updated the fucking thing to not be a broken mess is fine by me. Better late than never.
>>333007058
that doesnt change that anything with facial flexes is inherently broken because Valve refuses to fix their import system
How long until competitive? My Pyro is ready
>>333006959
Yes, but they didn't gave a shit until they saw competition. Out of CS, Dota and TF2, TF2 has always been that unplanned kid nobody gives a shit about.
>>333007253
>Pyro
>competitive
???
>>333007253
>pyro
>>333000000
>>333007241
I'm gonna call it baby steps.
Baby steps with a diaper full of shit.
>>333007338
They really needed it, you get stagnant without any competition and TF2's been the only class-based shooter that anyone's given a shit about in a long time and it's let the dozen people that still work on it get relaxed.
The "looming threat" of Overwatch making them get their fucking heads in the game and actually start releasing meaningful content is always good.
>>332992547
>demoman acts like a retard and plays poorly
>medic does the only thing it can possibly do to try to salvage the situation
not a lot to be impressed about in this webm other than "nice shot"
Old screenshot but my soldier looks the same.
Haven't played the game in nearly a year though, for some reason it just got boring after 2000 hours
>>332992547
What's wrong with "gooks"?
Did an asian male take your white girlfriend?
>>332998861
Aren't you friends with Tagg?
>>333007404
>>333007425
Stay mad
fuck off elliot
>>333007896
>stay mad
???
