Can we all agree Resident Evil 4 is not only the best game in the series but also the best moment a game series got reinvented?
>>332939636
>Resident Evil 4 is the best game in the series
yeh
>but also the best moment a game series got reinvented
I'd go with MGS1, but it's up there.
Castlevania Symphony of the Night
>this game set us up for RE 5 and RE 6
>we will never get another RE1 or RE2 style game again because of it
Yeah fuck you dude.
>>332939823
>mgs1
>not mgs3
>>332940406
Cool meme.
It's a good game, it's just not a good Resident Evil game.
It was a good reinvention as an isolated case but not as an influence on the direction of the series. Everything after it was pretty shit.
>>332939636
Yes.
>>332939823
Also accurate.
Kid Icarus too. Nice when something like that actually works out.
>>332940513
I'd fuck that frog
>>332940513
this is correct
>>332940513
/bread
>>332940056
Why are you blaming RE4 instead of RE5?
RE5 followed RE4 by being over-the-shoulder action, but everything else followed RE5 by being trash.
>>332940406
>liking mgs3 over mgs gameplay wise
It was literally a first person aiming on the headshot simulator and a crawling simulator
>>332940513
Jesus christ is chromatic aberration becoming popular or is the image some sort of reference
>>332940406
>mgs3
>not mgsv
>>332940513
Dumb frogposter.
>>332940746
p. sure it's an edit of an anime girl done from photo reference
If it's the artist I'm thinking of he puts that shit on everything.
>>332940406
I like mgs3 more myself, but it was a prequel, not really a reinvention.
I can't wait for that RE4 HD mod to be finished.
>>332939636
RE4 is probably the best example of a great game having a terrible legacy.
RE4 did everything right, but every game that drew inspiration from it turns out shit. It's almost like everyone learned the wrong lessons from it.
>>332940056
RE 1, 2, 3, CV, Zero, Remake, Outbreak, Outbreak 2. The original formula was getting stale, man. RE 4 was what the series needed to survive, and it was a damn good game. It's unfair to blame it just because capcom fucked up the sequels with co-op that nobody asked for and niggers.
>>332941234
Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.
>Dead Space 1/2
>The Last of Us
These games learned all the right things and each is basically an upgraded or "nextgen" approach to the game.
>>332941234
Bad content creators imitate good content and so don't learn anything. These people literally don't understand why RE4 was good, so everything they do just vaguely resembles it in the most shallow way possible.
>>332941706
I think he meant within the series.
But yeah, you have a point there.
>>332940513
Why do I keep thinking this about all they new games?
>skyrim is a good game, but not a good tes game
>fallout 4 is a good game, but not a good fo game
>RE 6 is a good game, but not a good RE game
I'm tired of this trend, at least we're getting RE2 remake soon.
>>332939636
RE 6 is the best game of the series and perfects the gameplay from 4.
>>332941234
Well that's what made RE4, RE4. I remember reading it in nintendo power [when it was still a thing] and being all "Wow, whoa!" "You can block doorways and move furniture!" "This doesn't have camera angles like the other games do!"
And it was new. It was innovative. All at the time, of course. And that's what made it a milestone. But as with every game, there's only so much you can do before you've run the entire gauntlet. And RE4 was the entire gauntlet [save for co-op].
That's why I like RE5 STRICTLY for co-op play. But it doesn't do dark and dreary like #4 did. And even 5 didn't have too many redeeming qualities but playing with a bro is always way better.
>>332941540
Capcom screwed the pooch with RE5
So much cut content and forced in co-op
I just beat Leon's campaign in re6.
Should I just turn it off and pretend the rest of the game doesn't exist?
>>332942113LOL
>>332942113
April fools was yesterday
>>332940056
Isn't capcom remaking the RE2 game like REmake?
>>332940056
>We will never get another shitty tank control corridor simulator style Resident Evil again
>Acting like that's a bad thing
>>332942663
I don't want crystals in my stomach
>>332942445
Na if you enjoyed that campaign just play the rest of it. The Chris campaign is more of a shooter focus for the first chapter, the Sherry campaign is super comfy throughout.
Don't let /v/'s hatred for everything consume your own opinions on games.
>>332943346
Does it matter what order? I really want to play Ada.
Is sherry the secret one?
>>332943895
Its Leon/Chris/Sherry
Extra is Ada
>>332939636
re4 is so good it was the first re to introduce us to qtes
The only thing that stops me from replaying it on regular basis is horrible QTEs i can't fucking disable.
>>332939636
No.
>People unironically like tank controls
I love resident evil 2 but fuck tank controls
Resident evil 4 fans make me sick
Resident evil 5 was just like 4 + co-op
RE 4 was a pure action game, there was no horror on it, nothing was scary nothing made any fucking sense around the middle either
RE 5 is that game only with co-op
If you say to a normal person that they get to play their favorite game but with a friend, that would sound great wouldn't it?
But not to blind and ignorant RE 4 fanboys, RE 5 sucks because it added co-op! That ruined the horror!
The horror which RE 4 had none of
And what else?
It was an action game?
Just like RE 4
I don't understand how RE 4 fans can be so fucking delusional about their turd
>>332944368
I have Leon Chris Jake and ada.
I guess they just added her to the Re release
>>332945780
>there was no horror on it, nothing was scary
>>332946085
Looks retarded
RE 5 is just as "scary" as RE 4
>>332939636
No re4 fans are as bad as prime fags. Re2 is better
>>332946085
> thinking re4 is scary after playing silent hill
>>332945780
There was tons of tension if not outright horror in the first playthrough of RE4, the very first section was scary as fuck.
As for 5, nobody liked the co op because you had Sheva obstructing your path, eating all the medkits and ammo, and using items at inappropriate times, and she never went away. Stop inventing complaints.
>>332939636
REmake is the best game in the series. 4 was one of the best "next gen" step ups in the industry though alongside SM64
>>332946347
>the very first section was scary as fuck.
You mean the first minute when you enter the first house?
Yea man, that's around 1 minute of the whole game
It's an action game not a horror game
Stop denying what's as clear as day
>>332946440
>not code veronica
>>332945780
I can smell the fedora out of that post, it's weird
>>332946676
>Code Veronica
>Good
>>332946676
You're right. Not Code Veronica
>>332939636
Shame about the pants on head retarded villain.
>>332946676
Get the fuck out of here Claire
Yes. And then it went straight down a cliff immediately after.
>>332946574
The entire village is the first section. And if you don't know what's ahead of you, every new section is as foreboding and intimidating as any level from previous RE games even if you're mildly more empowered when it comes to shot placement.
If your argument hinges on the idea that RE4 and its clones are less scary by virtue of the fact that they control way less shittier and inspire less panic when shit gets real because you're not struggling against the camera/controls to actually land a single shot, then it only serves to demonstrate that you prefer games with crippled gameplay.
Or suffer from acute nostalgia that blinds you to how much of a chore the oldschool RE games are to play by modern standards. Either or.
>>332947306
As opposed to Albert 'Lemme just get myself impaled as part of my MASTER PLAN' Wesker, William 'Incest Monsters are a GREAT IDEA' Birkin, and Alfred Ashford?
>>332939636
>the best game in the series
that's RE2
>>332947851
>every new section is as foreboding and intimidating as any level from previous RE games
As I said here>>332945780
RE 4 fans are so fucking delusional it's beyond saving
To say any parts of RE 4 are as scary as the ones in RE 1 etc is retarded
RE 4 is an ACTION GAME
RE 1 is a slow paced tension building horror game
RE 2 actually began the series venture into a more action oriented manner
Oh, about that village part?
You totally don't get a shotgun and genocide all of them with it
Idiot
>>332945837
Yeah you can play hers from the start in the newer versions. But definitely save it for last. You won't understand any of it otherwise.
>>332940709
I happen to like RE6. It's like the only RE game that I can actually stand to play. God the fucking controls in RE4 are such garbage.
>>332945780
>Resident evil 5 was just like 4 + co-op
5 had worse atmosphere, iffy ai partner, boring bosses and either worse enemy encounters or flat out copied from 4. story was stupid, but tried to be serious, its last 1/4 completely shits the bed with full on cover shooting against enemies with machine guns. 4 aso had a much better sense of place and level progression where each chapter flowed into each other, 5 tends to jump around too much to convey any sense of atmosphere.
5 improved on 4 mechanically and it does have its own unique twists for its coop, but there is a clear cut reason why its looked down on more.
>>332945780
You are totally wrong. I loved RE5, but it ACTUALLY had no horror. RE4 was completely in the spirit of its predecessors and filled with horror themes.
>>332942519
RE4 gameplay was trash. The only thing good about it was the bosses and the story.
But in general... those fucking 90's controls. It's about time they fixed that shit. The only problem is it too them too long to realize people want fluid controls and real game mechanics, and not difficulty through shitty clunky controls.
>>332948423
>if your argument hinges on 4 not being scary because it doesnt control like shit
>AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT DOES
Insulting you would be redundant, have a nice day anon.
>>332948423
I know your nostalgia goggles are thick but if you're over the age of twelve, early Resident Evil games aren't scary.
It's horror themed but not a horror game.
>>332940513
Was that done by this artist?
>>332948757
So that's where that's from.
>>332939636
Probably.
>>332948598
It wasn't a scary game you retard
You carry FUCKING ROCKET LAUNCHERS in that game
You carry an armies arsenal by the end
It's not scary because you're not some weak guy with no ammo in RE 4, you're a one man army
That doesn't make for a horror game
>>332948520
RE 4 has awful bosses
It has awful QTE shit that the industry followed
It had the same cover system that RE 5 did, not that you would admit that
>>332949061
by that account neither does any of the other RE's considering almost all of them gave you enough firepower to kill everything in the games twice over. the only real difference is that you had to manage which implements of destruction you could carry.
>>332949061
>It had the same cover system that RE 5 did, not that you would admit that
are you that retarded?
>>332949061
>It wasn't a scary game you retard
>You carry FUCKING ROCKET LAUNCHERS in that game
>You carry an armies arsenal by the end
>It's not scary because you're not some weak guy with no ammo in RE 4, you're a one man army
>That doesn't make for a horror game
Aside from RE1 and REmake you have more than enough guns and ammo to kill literally every single enemy in every game and still be drowning in spare bullets/grenades/flamethrower fuel.
So stop using that dumbass reason to shit on RE4 and beyond.
>>332949061
You get a rocket launcher in almost every Resident Evil game.
None of the games are horror games. Amnesia, Outlast, PT, those are horror games. Resident Evil has always been survival horror aka horror themed.
RE4 has just as much horror I'm it as any Resident Evil.
Honestly I like REmake and even REvelaitons more than RE4. As for reinventions, I gotta say I like Kid Icarus Uprising or Ys: The Oath in Felghana more.
>>332949692
>>332949675
So now you fags turn this around and say that none of the RE games are horror
Nice, real nice
Does that mean you agree that RE 5 and so on aren't shit since they're basically that?
Action games where you genocide shit?
But of course not, I bet my ass someone is gonna make some bullshit as to why RE 5 insults their existence and fanboyism
>>332949061
>a game isn't scary unless it forces weakness on you by severely limiting the control you have over your character
Shit taste aside, I find it fascinating that you accuse RE4 fans of nostalgiafagging while excusing objectively bad qualities in the games before it as "what actually made them better".
I played the REmake and it wasn't scary at all. In fact, it was pretty infuriating how it expected me to mistake "only lets you give vague directions to the player character" for "wow youre panicking and cant defend yourself ffffuuuu fffffuuuu so scary its like ur rly there".
The levels weren't scary. The monsters weren't scary. My pulse only ever went up as the result of a handful of jump scares. It was enjoyable overall but it has none of the things over 4 that you are claiming it does.
If you say it's because I played the remake, you're either implying that it needs graphics as shitty as its controls to be scary, or I just didn't play it "back in the day"; both of these are retarded arguments to make but I don't think you're above them, so here, you're excused from typing them up.
Is there any action horror game like RE4 but with exceptional gunplay?
>>332950005
No one worth arguing with shits on RE5 because 'it's not horror anymore' or 'atmosphere' or whaever..
People shit on RE5 compared to RE4 because it's not as well designed as RE4.
>>332950280
We both know people say shit like
>It just wasn't as scary because it had co-op
When shitting on RE 5
And RE 5 is just as well "designed" as RE 4
And what do you mean by that?
What was so well designed about RE 4 that RE 5 missed?
>>332950132
Not him but
>a game isn't scary unless it forces weakness on you by severely limiting the control you have over your character
There's a little truth to this. Give the player too much agency and there's little reason to be scared of anything. Even the scariest creature designs mean nothing when you simply see another target. Horror games do much better when enemies are seen more as obstacles to overcome rather than something to mow down, and you kind of have to limit what the player is capable of a little to attain that, or at least incorporate some kind of stressful mechanics to make the player think through their actions a little.
>>332950467
>What was so well designed about RE 4 that RE 5 missed?
Well, let's compare AI partners.
In RE4, Ashley is pretty much the closest a game has ever gotten to a good escort character. You have simple commands to give her, she'll hide behind you normally to prevent, she'll crouch and cover herself if she's standing still and you aim in her general direction, and if you ever shoot or lose her it's your own fault.
In RE5, Sheva is a complete dumbass and just makes the game harder for you. Which is a problem because she's there to do the opposite.
>>332950784
Aren't there ways to lull powerful player characters into a false sense of security?
>>332951708
The most immediate way I can think of is to simply present them with a threat so great that their once reliable tactics are now useless. The next best thing I can think of is go full Metroid and just strip them of their nice things, and some horror games do this. Even Resident Evil Revelations went that route for a section. There are probably other ways but I'd say it's less arbitrary to just balance the player's potential around the game design. It'd probably lead to a more consistent game as well.
>>332951559
>one example
Slow down dude, don't overwhelm me here
That it?
I am actually playing through it now for the first time and i am enjoying it for the most part. I find the respawning enemies at certain levels really annoying though and i can't understand why the put fights like pic related in the game. If they want to go the action route then they should really have made the controls less clunky. Contextual melee attacks are also pretty annoying.
What version of RE4 is that?
Looks too good to be GCN at high-res, but doesn't have the ugliness of the HD version. And there's no way that's the PC/PS2/cellphone version which are all pixelated like a toddler's 9-grid puzzle.
How much extra content does the xbox 360 HD version have over the original gamecube version?
Is it basically just separate ways and some costumes?
>>332952195
El Gigante: You fight this three times during the game. The first time, you fight it in a wide open space with plenty of room to move around. The second time, you fight it in a cramped area, but if you're good, you can actually escape without ever having to fight it. Third time, you fight two at once and the environment is now more helpful to you. (The same actually applies to the Garradors) The game therefore makes a gradual progression of skill and difficulty against enemies you become familiar with.
In RE5 you fight a Ndesu once in a turret gunner action setpiece. Once done, the game dusts its hands off and never deals with it again.
>>332952625
get good nerd
>>332953032
So what?
There's more to RE 5 than that one section you fag
Way to be autistic
>>332939636
RE4 was the most effay game in the series
>>332950784
I agree. Luckily, we have things like:
>aim/fire weapon
>frozen in place while your enemies bear down on you
>pick both, no matter what, for the entire game
People say "action game" like it had rocket jumping and a weapon selection wheel.
It was still a pretty clumsy game to play. The aiming laser was hard to see, and hearing a chainsaw puckered my fucking butthole every single time because it was a OHK enemy that you can only damage when not moving.
And even then, the aiming and movement were plenty clunky. Running in one of eight directions, at a mild just-shit-my-pants jog, while attack dogs with parasitic lampreys nimbly bound towards you and scythe at the air behind your ankles, only to have to glue my feet to the ground to start opening fire, was an incredibly effective way to
RE4 managed to be very stressful to play, without making you incompetent or incapable. You're in control enough to feel responsible for your successes and failures, but you're not so empowered that threats lose their value.
>>332939636
It's okay as an action game but it's not a good RE. There's not enough puzzles, it's too linear, and the enemies come in pre-determined swarms so you just have to clear one room after another to proceed. There's no way to even avoid them since they have to almost always be exterminated to proceed.
>>332948479
>I happen to like RE6
>the fucking controls in RE4 are such garbage.
You best be baiting.
>>332954038
RIP Jacket, we hardly knew ye
>>332952649
It's called Dolphin
>>332939823
>MGS1
>best moment a game series got reinvented
Jump from 2D to 3D isn't exactly a deliberate reinvention.
>>332947558
>Claire
>implying it wasn't Steve who made that post
>>332945780
>Implying that being outnumbered by a mob of pitchfork wielding psychopaths isnt scary in its own right
>>332954748
RE6 is going on 3 and a half years old now. There's been time for people like that to come about. Personally, when I tried out RE6 I hated the controls. I didn't feel like I was playing an RE game at all.
>>332955904
I went back to it with a fresh mind and it actually is pretty fucking good.
If you expect an action game, then you are not nearly as disappointed.
>>332956195
Yeah, I sometimes see RE6 on sale for dirt cheap and wonder if I should give it another chance to take it for what it is.
>>332940773
Shit quality bait
>>332956695
It's a pretty great game
It's the only game in the last few years that I actually FINISHED
That's crazy for me, I usually drop games
It's pretty fun and has an awesome story with some cheesy shit in it
Pretty awesome, play with a friend if you can will make it that much more fun
>>332955613
Considering that your objective is to kill them and not to run away powerless, no
I'd say it's not scary in it's own right, nigga
>>332956695
It is definitely worth it. I just got the Re release on ps4 for $20 and I don't regret a thing.
I was so mad when it first came out because it is not a good resident evil game, but it is a fucking killer action game
>>332957462
>play with a friend
That's a massive turnoff for me. I don't care for games that need co-op to be good. I haven't played RE5 yet either but it's on my PS3. I don't have a good feeling about it based on what I've heard.
>>332957642
What's a massive turn off for you?
I said it's more fun with a friend, doesn't mean it's not fun without one
Grand theft auto 3?
From a crappy top down to the fucking daddy of urban open world games?
>>332954674
>since they have to almost always be exterminated to proceed.
theres very few sequences in the game where you HAVE to kill them to move on. a majority of the fights are technically optional if you wanted to play it that way.
>>332958895
My memory on RE4 is pretty spotty but I recall most of the game essentially moving from action setpiece to action setpiece, many of which are clearing entire rooms of enemies out. And besides, RE4 plays a different game from most classic RE games - whereas the older games limited resources and focused on threat assessment, RE4 throws you into the lion's den and generally expects you to fight your way out. It's a different approach but the situation is about equally dire either way.
Does anyone have that image people post here that describes the best way to play silent hill on emulator?
>>332939636
On one hand, it's better because it doesn't have the irritating tank controls.
On the other hand it's not like RE2 or 3 levels of awesome.
And from the newest Residents, games like the Revelations series and similar to it actually still show that the franchise is a survival horror game.
RE4 wasn't this scary (except for those Regenerators), and 5 and 6 were too actionized to be scary.
>>332954038
>its the REfags actively pretend first 3 games were playable, scary, or interesting thread
kek
RE4 literally saved this franchise from well-deserved rot, first three games were so fucking shitty
>>332950467
>And RE 5 is just as well "designed" as RE 4
It was half the length, half the areas, half the fun extra shit and not a single boss worth mentioning.
Mikami had very little to do with the game, and it shows.
I loved RE4, RE0, and the Outbreak games. Was not into RE5 at all, the total lack of even an attempt at horror was really offputting. What was so bad about 6? I want to get into some RE games again but if it's just going to be 5 again I'm not interested.
>>332946085let's all go out for some frosty chocolate milkshakes
>>332962662
The second half of RE 4 is shit anyways
Games can outstay their welcome you know
>>332962316
They were interesting, though. The first game in particular implemented a good balance between resources and enemies to overcome. The other classic REs are looser in this regard but wasting a bullet straight-up feels bad in 1. There's also their use of camera angles and claustrophobic hallways to create a sense of apprehension; you don't really know what's waiting around the corner but you can hear that something's there. And I don't know if you've played a DMC game but try running off into a new camera angle and then changing direction afterwards. Let's just say there's a reason the tank controls worked with classic RE's camera angles.
>>332953487
What's up anon? Why are you getting upset
Its cool if you like RE5. Nobody is trying to invalidate your opinion.
Why not talk about the thing in RE5 that you enjoyed? Keep things positive.
>>332962826
I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy it.
>>332962316
It ain't popular to say but it's true
the first three games were novelties at best
>>332962662
>Mikami
RE5 aside, people should stop praising one man for the success of RE4, because game development is a collaborative effort. The game is only as good as the entire team, not just director
Just look at the piece of shit that is Evil Within, it shows that one man can't do shit if everyone else is incompetent.
>>332962863
>There's also their use of camera angles and claustrophobic hallways to create a sense of apprehension
Been watching Superbunnymeme or something? Fixed camera is shit, retarded, and I'm glad its dead
>>332962826
The second half introduces the most memorable enemy in the fucking franchise, what are you on about?
>>332962316
>first three games were so fucking shitty
This website is 18+.
>>332940056
mah negro
>>332963058
The early RE games are basically action adventure games with an extra emphasis on the "adventure" part of the equation. Nothing really unusual or "novelty" there.
>>332963097
The Evil Within's pretty good, though. Understandably divisive for its non-gameplay elements but I think it nailed gameplay flow rather well. Good sense of difficulty all around and lots of variety from chapter to chapter.
>>332962826
Shit is a strong word to describe 'still better than 99% of action games'. Admittedly, the quality dips once you get out of mansion, but its still amazing, the game drops any lingering pretense of being horror and just throws you into warzone
>>332963216
>PSbabbies think they get to call anyone underage
Sorry, junior.
>>332963138
>Superbunnymeme
Never heard of it. That's a conclusion I came to on my own. It's an early example of games going "cinematic" before that was deemed cancerous.
>>332963404
>The Evil Within's pretty good
The game is fucking awful
It tries so hard to be EVERYTHING at once
It wants to be an action game, an RE clone, a horror game, a lovecraftian game a fucking game with a level up system etc
It's pretty awful when it's all put together, and the schizophrenic story didn't help it much
I wish that game had any fucking focus, and wasn't just random shit all the time
Controls were awful too
>>332940709
5 is literally 4 in daylight, no dumbass muh merchant, and inventory that is shit and also doesnt pause when opened, along with the forced partnuh
5 is actually pretty decent, and im fine with saying that i thought it was fun.
6 is irredeemable garbage.
literally no excuse for having a fucking QTE to open doors, and other simple shit.
>>332945612
I literally cannot play REmake using the modern controls. It just does not feel natural at all. Tanks all the way.
>>332963631
To each their own, I guess. I played through it twice and while I do agree it falls apart a bit when it opts to go full Rambo, that's maybe 15% of the game and the rest of it is much slower and methodical. The story's not that bad, it's just told in a needlessly obtuse way and, if the Kidman DLCs are any indication, from the wrong perspective. Sebastian did not need to be the main character. The gameplay is pretty well reflected by the story concept, throwing the player in different scenarios with reckless abandon, but it takes advantage of that by the game rarely feeling like you're doing the same thing over and over. It's rooted in the game's stealth/combat fundamentals of course but I get the sense that the devs had fun making the game. And lastly, I still think its mechanical balance was fantastic for a horror game. Scenarios felt hard if not impossible at times but they never were. Clever use of the ammo and parts you did have would get you out of any situation you needed to get out of, it just required good execution. I dunno, I had a blast with the game.
>>332963631
nah, it was pretty good.
>>332939823
No, that was Thief, albeit a different series
>>332962231
HAHAHAHA this is funny
>>332946085
>a chemo patient with asthma is scary
sure thing junior
>>332941234
It's like skyrim of 2005
>>332939636
Yes, we can
Also, i wonder if RE2 rmk will use same camera as in RE4
>>332939636
>Resident Evil 4 is not only the best game in the series
First game was the best.
>>332939823
It was basically an exact copy of mg2 except in 3d.
>>332963905
>literally no excuse for having a fucking QTE to open doors
>I only played the prologue
>>332962826
Kinda this. The island was kinda cool but by the time you start it you're just ready to be done you know what I mean. And that's where they throw in the biggest mobs of enemies so you have to go balls to the wall. If they had let you just rescue Ashley at the end of the castle and kill Saddler there it would've wrapped up just fine.
>>332965329
MGS1 reused a lot of themes from MG2, but it was it's own thing after all was said and done
>>332963631
I thought it was ok, not that scary though. The only really scary part to me was when those infant things were introduced.
>never liked survival horror
>tfw RE's transition to action horror was the best thing to happen to the series in my eyes
>>332965774
Congratulations, I guess. I prefer survival to action but action's not bad I suppose. I'd much rather take a game like The Evil Within or Resident Evil Revelations, which attempt to meet the two entities halfway, over RE4 though.
>>332945612
Tank controls were okay, only shat themselves in few specific situations, what made the games horrible to control though, was how they handled aiming, from the shoddy auto aim that worked for slow zombies but not for dogs, the need to use terrain if you wanted to get headshit intentionally etc.etc.
The movement itself is very good given that we're talking about games with static camera angles.
The only problem with tank controls is it took an eternity to rotate 180 degrees and escape, but RE3 fixed it with the quick turn so all's good.
But RE4 has tank controls too?
RE4 is pretty shit
>Bad controls (all versions)
>B tier movie plot
>Can't move and shoot at the same time
>Enemies drop bullets
>Pointless upgrade system
>Bland music
>>332968012
nice b8, expect 2-3 (You)s
Uh... sir?
>>332957462
>point
>your head
>generalizing to boot
RE4 is legitimately one of my all-time favorite games, but it does get kind of off-the-rails when Leon goes to the island, i.e. it became wildly action-oriented.
Also, I wish more had taken place in the village or villages.
Do transitions from 2D to 3D done right count as a reinvention? If so, I'd choose Ocarina of Time or Metroid Prime as the best reinventions, despite not necessarily being the best in their series.
>>332968145
Not even a bait, just an observation. People hold RE4 like some shinning beacon of light and hope for gaming, but it was a shit game for the series and a shit game in general that did nothing new; and old sub-par.
>>332968696
I love Prime but people will fight you on that one as it is considerably more linear than the games before it. OoT also gets a little flack for essentially being a simpler ALttP BUT IN 3D, but not nearly as much as Prime gets.
>>332968012
>Can't move and shoot at the same time
Play Revelations. You can move and shoot but it doesn't solve the problem at all when you're getting swarmed with enemies faster than you. It wouldn't have helped RE4 at all.
>>332939636
No. Go kill yourself, shiteater.
Bloodborne for the Souls series. I haven't felt this much wonder at a game as it unveils itself since Resi 4, actually.
>>332969260
Bloodborne didn't reinvent shit.
>>332969393
Neither did RE4.
>>332969474
This is only semi-true because RE3 was already basically RE4 but with tank controls and an extra helping of STAAAAAAARS. RE4 basically changed the camera angle and revamped resource allocation and inventory management. Changes, but not really much of a reinvention.
>>332969393
Took the formula of the Souls games to the next level in my opinion. You're free to disagree, though.
>>332969474
it invented plagas
>>332969826
Which were shit.
>>332969474
You dum, senpai?
The whole genre was changed from survival horror to explosive twitchy shooter with circular combat system. The plot went from 2spooky4conspiracies to a fun adventure to save some underage jailbait
>>332971184
>underage jailbait
You can't have overage jailbait
>>332965774
I liked survival horror, but RE1 and REmake are the only entries in the series that made any real effort at being survival horror games. The rest were shitty action-horror games up until RE4, which is a great action-horror game. It was a good change for the series.
>>332940406
I like mgs3 more but it wasn't a reinvention
>>332971520
Keeping Regenerators confined to 4 is a waste. They should put them in more games.
>>332971297
With modern rape sensibilities, now you can!
>>332946085
>>332971520
Funny, the first time I played RE4 it didn't dawn on me to use the scope. I just kept spamming shotgun shots and eventually it covered all the vitals
>>332971520
I feel the same way, except exactly the opposite.
>>332971872
Eh, I give some credit to the other games. RE2 still had decent balance between resources and enemies and multiple campaigns to think about. It's definitely more of an action game but it's not so far gone as to be full-on action. CV's kind of a lesser RE2 but it was still alright. RE3 is a straight-up action game but points for introducing mechanics like the quick turn and dodging, plus bullet crafting was kinda cool and Nemesis is a persistent motherfucker. RE0's focus is actually in the right place but an uninspired story and setting, not to mention enough resources for 2 characters kinda dragged it down.
RE4 tied with REmake for best RE and straight up one of the best games ever made.
RE4 = Remake > 2 > CV > 3 = 1 > 5 (2 player co-op) > 0 = Revelations > 5 (single player)
Never played 6 because fuck you.
>>332972801
>RE4 tied with REmake for best RE and straight up one of the best games ever made.
I have a few vomit reaction images but none of them sufficiently express how I feel right now.
>>332939636
THATS NOT OUTBREAK YOU FAGGOT!
>>332940513
not this meme again resident evil was never a survival horror franchise and I don't where this meme came from
>>332973467
Capcom said it was.
>>332973561
you can call a cat a dog but that won't make it a dog
>>332973467
it literally started the term survival horror
>>332973843
yes but at its core it wasn't a survival horror game because it gives you more than enough supplies to deal with most enemies and it isnt scary since its meant to be a parody of old horror films
>>332939636
No and no.
Like, super no. As no as no can be.
>>332968905
>OoT
>simpler ALttP
People actually think this?
ALttP was way more simple than OoT, especially in dungeon design.
>>332940406
There are some huge differences between 1 and 3, but 3 didn't reinvent Metal Gear or even Metal Gear Solid.
>>332972801
What about the dead aim, gaiden or outbreak series?
I've never seen a game get so much praise for the things it did wrong.
>>332939636
>but also the best moment a game series got reinvented?
You could not possibly be more wrong if you tried.
>>332974948
That's in part because "wrong" is relative. From the context of classic survival horror it fucked almost everything up but modern action horror fans have A LOT of reasons to hold RE4 in high regard.
>>332939636
Best reinvention was Demon's Souls from KF. Probably not too many people here playing KF when it was current, but it wasn't very good.
>>332974948
Go ahead and list 47 things it did wrong.
I dare you.
>>332975184
I've picked up on King's Field II by American numbering. I see why they'd be considered bad but I actually like it. I'm kinda stuck on it though, haven't played it in a while. But no, I didn't play these games when they were new.
>>332975182
right because the old games had scarce supplies and scary atmosphere
>>332974075
It is scary if you don't know what's coming and get ambushed by hunters/lickers.
I was low on a lot of ammo in RE3 for like the first half the game because I was killing too much.
>>332975382
The first one did at the very least. The other games weren't as tightly designed but most of them still hold up as survival horror experiences. I'd really say only RE3's the honest odd one out as far as the classic games go.
>>332975721
the first game was a parody its literally impossible for it to be scary the problem is that the sequels took themselves seriously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl0w6Du6i-I
Still the most fun opening set piece in vidya history
>>332976084
It was treated seriously in Japan. Just the goofy translation and bad voice acting made it look like a parody.
>>332976189
go eat a jill sandwich with every other member of stars
>>332976139
>shoots woman in the back three times
>she continues raking the hay and doesn't care
wow
>>332976084
On what basis? The first game utilized cinematic camera angles to hide enemies to assumedly fearful effect. It's a bit perturbing to hear a zombie moaning about in a cramped hallway but you can't pinpoint its location. Parody or not, I'm pretty sure that's what the game was going for.
>>332972140
The most efficient way to kill them anyway is with a couple shotgun blasts to down them and knifing them in the butt.
How can it be a parody when RE INVENTED the trope of zombies being created by viruses?
>>332976530
>shooting regenerators down
Why
>>332977016
Because they're helpless if you can run up and knife them before they slither around and bite you. They get completely stunlocked by the knife and it only takes two or three shotgun shells to set up.
Though I forgot Iron Maidens. Can't use the same cheese strats on them.
>>332972801
>RE4 as good as REmake
>1 below CV and tied with 3
>0 below 5 on any mode
>>332977303
Yeah you can, you just have to wait for them to use their spikes first
>>332977934
Well shit. I was under the assumption that they constantly exploded spikes as long as you were next to them.
>>332976882
Nigga, are you high?
>>332962826
The second half was fun and awesome, I play through re4 in like less then 12 hrs taking a few days it's pretty good length in my opinion.
>>332950467
Level design in 4 was better.
Atmosphere was better.
Weapons were better.
Merchant was better.
Cutscenes were better.
Types of things the game had you do was better like running from the giant drill.
Even the "puzzles" were better.
Re4 does so much better than 5 it's not even funny.
REmake is better.
>>332940056
Thanks indeed, 6 is the pinnacle of the series. I bought the remaster and am having fun with it a second time now.
>>332940513
smart frogposter
>>332980736
>pinnacle
I wouldn't go that far, but it is way better then it gets credit for
Revelations 2 > RE4-6
>>332981336
sucks that's it episodic tho
>>332939636
>not REmake
full casual
>>332948423
>mfw I stayed back and murdered them with the pistol
>didnt even know I was supposed to run
I don't know about you guys but if I wanted to play a TPS I damn sure wouldn't be playing RE4 as my first pick.
how do I git gud at the REmake
>>332983570
Try to remember that you're not playing RE4 and actually have to put effort into not dying.
>>332972801
4 is not survival horror you meme fuck.
>>332952625
If you cant beat this guy with just the knife and flash grenades you are terrible
>>332965054
>It's like skyrim of 2005
>tfw we're almost at the point where Skyrim is as old as RE4 was when Skyrim came out
>>332965054
What game is based on skyrim? Skyrim is based on call of duty. It even has a call of duty opening
>>332939636
RE4 was one outstanding spin off but ultimately its success has damaged the series as every new game is trash.
REbirth is the best in the series
>>332952625
>If they want to go the action route then they should really have made the controls less clunky
I've thought the same thing for a while now, but I guess they didn't want to alienate the fans of the previous games as much as they already were at that point.
>>332941706
I haven't played DS2 but 1 was boring shit and so was TLoU. I'm not exactly a fan of RE4 (and quite frankly the person you responded to who thinks it did "everything right" could not be more wrong) but those games are nowhere near as good and didn't do shit right except for try to copy something popular. They didn't even copy the things RE4 actually did right.
A reminder
>>332985275
Skyrim is based on Oblivion.
>>332983570
I just played it, what part you need help at? Just gotta prioritize which hallways you'll be going down the most often and burn the bodies there and plan routes to avoid halls with lots of guys in it.
>>332939636
>Resident Evil 4 is not only the best game in the series
No, RE2 is
>best moment a game series got reinvented
No, Ocarina is
Guess we can't agree after all
I mean hell, I want to stab >>332939890 for implying SOTN is better than the original CV games. There's only one type of person with that opinion:a cunt
>>332985791
>Amnesia
>not Penumbra
wew lad
>>332983356
It's not comparable to most FPS though so it's not like you will have to choose between Max Payne and it. The flow of combat is closer to God Hand than most other FPS with all the crowd control and melee.
>>332985791
I haven't played Condemned entirely but I did mess with it at length at a friend's house and I'm not sure I would use "empowerment" and "over-armed" to describe it.
>>332986450
>It's not comparable to most FPS though
Yeah, I would say so.
>>332986624
Simply eric
>>332985740
i like to consider DS2 to be the RE4 of last gen. it shares a lot of the diverse encounter designs and pacing. its a fucking badass sequel that improves on the first in most ways.
>>332986776
I've actually heard this and have been meaning to play it.
>>332986739
My name is not Eric.
>>332985968
i'm just getting started, I guess i just need to figure when to kill things or run. and when to use ink ribbons
>best moment in the series
yes
>best moment a game series got reinvented
ehhhh i disagree. re4 is fantastic but it set a bad trend in the series, and everything went downhill from there.
>>332986776
Sadly it lacked that feeling of isolation that the first had. Also Issac suddenly being able to talk was stupid.
>>332939823
mgs1 was just mg2 with 3D graphics though. like down to a copy+paste level almost.
I'm surprised only one person has mentioned Ninja Gaiden.
>>332987297
>new characters
>new tools
>some boss fights were recycled (like the elevators and fistfight) but there were still new ones
>story was different and had improved writing
>those damn annoying pit traps were limited to one room
Plus I'd say that with the exception of a few confusing bits like the hang-gliding event, MG2 was much easier.
