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>Solaire isn't Gwyn's firstborn but was just a meming
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>Solaire isn't Gwyn's firstborn but was just a meming fuck
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"Solaire is Gwyn's firstborn" was a meme in the first place
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>>332918486
A literal nothing personnel boss. Also short as fuck neck.
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Is that Solaire?
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Is that confirmed to be Gwyn's firstborn?
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Why is his head so small?
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>>332918486
So Solaire was just this guys stalker?
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>>332918486
>Giving a shit about lore
Dark souls players are nothing short of the most autistic of any community.
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Why is he Gwyn's firstborn? Where's the proof?

He looks like Gwyn himself to me
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Good god, that armor is so ugly
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>>332918570
no
>>332918610
yes
>>332918613
he's wearing a scarf because it's cold up there in the clouds
>>332918646
he just wanted a sun
>>332918705
it's implicit and is also explicitly stated within the game
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If Gwyn became a lord of cinder, and you play as a lord of cinder, does that mean the chosen undead becomes a lord of cinder?
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>/dsg/ was calling this the best and hardest boss in the souls series
smdh
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>>332918802
>it's implicit and is also explicitly stated within the game

Stop spreading lies.
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>>332918486

But that was confirmed since the first game, his armor and equipment was literally made by an autistic retard.

> Decorated with a holy symbol, but Solaire illustrated it himself, and it has no divine powers of its own.

Lorefags are absolute retards.
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>>332918940
Yes

>>332918996
He is though, his AI still has the retarded "will always do this at 50% HP or lower" shit that bosses tend to have.
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>>332918940
Anyone who linked the fire in the past is a Lord of Cinder
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>>332918486
>a series where every single character is a lying fuck has a character who is a lying fuck
OH MY STARS AND STRIPES
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does this take place after DS2?
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>>332918486
Solaire was anidiot who went crazy and put a slug on his head

He only got taken seriously because of the retarded praise the sun memes

Dont forget the buy his shirt and dlc!
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>>332919286
Solaire never ever claimed to be Gwyn's firstborn.
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>>332919235
>parried
Like father like son. Also that armour looks really fucking bad.
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>>332919235

That doesn't look as epic as in the trailer... Where's the rain?

Fucking disappointing.
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>>332919360
Solaire was a helpful man who happened to be a bit touched in the head. Better than most of the NPCs in that game anyway.
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>>332919471
Is that really a parry? It looks more like a damage threshold thing to me
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>>332919493
Its there just not visible in such a compressed webm.

>>332919471
>>332919562
Its not a parry, he has an invisible stun meter like SF2.
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>>332919394

He is the firstborn. Look at the statue and listen to vaati.
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>>332919562
Oh yeah, my bad.
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>>332919629
>listen to vaati
fuck off
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>>332918486
>but was just a meming fuck
Just like all Dark Souls lorefags
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>>332919629
>Vaati
This is bait
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>STILL hyping memelaire
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>>332919629

>listen to vaati.

Kill yourself, retard.
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Do people have sex in dark souls?
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>>332919629
>vaati
You know that guy is a shill and fucking autist, right?
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if he is gwyns son who is gwyns wife
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>>332919867
ur mum
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>>332918486
>Ornstein left Anor Londo to find the Firstborn
>the one you fight in DaS1 is an illusion
>the one in DaS2 was real
NO

WHY

MIYAZAKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
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>>332920130

i-is this a joke?
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>>332918486
Fuck you, you piece of shit.
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>>332920130
I always liked to believe that this wallpaper with almost no real basis on anything was canon and that he was still out there somewhere.
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>>332920219
Maybe, when you kill the illusion of the titty lady, 2 knights replace the Giants in the room outside. They fight the same way, one being fast and the other being heavy
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>>332919235
Damn the boss seems really easy there, is this the pre patch version?
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>>332920435
This is neat, but where is this from?
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>>332919629
>Vaati

Fuck off, but you have a point about the Statue. The statue had a spear, not a sword.
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>>332920536
/wg/
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Solaire's just a cool dude who wants to be happy and help others
He never claimed to be anything else
He's also stronk as fuck, by Patches' own words

He doesn't deserve the hate
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>>332918940
Chosen undead was from DS1 so it is not possible for the current Lord of Cinder to be the chosen undead.
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>>332920219
DaS1 Ornstein being an illusion and leaving ghe city is given in the description of the DaS3 Ornstein helm. Which leaves the DaS2 one as the real deal
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>>332920493
> is this the pre patch version?
The game isnt out yet so what do you think?
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>>332920598
Lorefags are angry with him because they wasted years coming up with absurd theories to link him with the rest of the "lore" and now their whole castle of cards has come crashing down
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>>332920693
heh
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>>332920658
But it is. It's already 1.02 for consoles
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>>332920598
This
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>>332920727
Did they fix magic?
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>>332920598
praise tEH sun!!!

jolly cooperation my sunbro :)
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>>332918547
Dark Souls "lore" was a meme in the first place
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>>332920831
They didn't fix magic in 4 games
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>>332920831
They didn't do any balance patches yet, only bugfixes.
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>>332918486
YOU FUCKING NIGGER
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>>332920886
Didn't it start here as pretty much a joke?
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>>332918486
>thinking that Solaire was Gwyns firstborn
>ever
How to tell that someone is parroting memes
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>>332920886
A joke taken too far. There is no actual connection between item descriptions, yet people will jump on the bandwagon and say it is. Dark Souls is mostly loosely connected, random shit put in. It's a game about killing bosses, there's no real lore.

Some quality bants with newfags falling for the joke though.
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This the same guy who rides a dragon?
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>>332920657

Couldn't both DS 1 and DS 2 ornsteins be illusions?
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>>332920657

fucking Myazaki. fucking hack.

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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>>332921531
No
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>>332921429
yea dud its so epic
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Anyone know if GMG will release another coupon for DS3? The spring one doesn't work.
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>>332921815
badical preordering 200 copies
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Is there an explanation of this in DS3?
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>>332919009
Nigga his ring says he is the firstborn of gwyn you stupid nigger.
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>>332922096
No, virtually all of DaS2s vanilla lore is ignored completely. All that is included is references to geography, like acknowledgement of Mirrah, etc, as well as basic confirmation that Drangleic and Vendrick existed.
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>>332921137

Reading the fan theories about bullshit has almost been the best part of DS1/BB

Jesus my English Teacher would have been moist at the "connections" people were making.
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>>332922165
>item descriptions dumping lore
hold up
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>>332921137
This Soul lore is basically like a MOBA's or Fighter's lore, it's there but only a few autists really care about it.
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>mfw all the 'Solaire = Firstborn' fags are finally kill
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It makes sense i guess, ornstein was gwynevere's guard, where she went so did he.Still kinda shitty, maybe the ds1 ornstein was just another dragon-slayer pretending to be ornstein to intimidate enemies because of the name.Ornstein was apparently famous.
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>>332919253
Nope you were just played like a damn fiddle
Super Lothric Bros. are straight up stated to not have linked the fire, it is implied Aldricht didn't either
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>>332918486
Can someone post his ruin statue in DS1?
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>>332922257
BASED MIYAZAKI
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>>332922378
Didn't Miyazaki say that he wasn't a long time ago anyway?
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I dont get it, how are the lords of cinder around? if they linked the fire then surely they would just be gone. like completely fucking burnt as kindling. How are they walking around, did they only half burn themselves wat.
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>>332920130

Yeah I guess all the fucking damage they were dealing physically were just illusory damage

All the times I died were just illusory deaths

This is an asspull
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>>332922453
Weren't they "fated" to link the fire or some shit? Meaning someone that did not like them just spread a rumor to get someone to murder them and burn their corpses in hopes of saving the world.
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>>332922656
Every undead is "fated" to link the fire.
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>>332922546
>>332922453

Some of them decided to fuck off before they have been burnt to ashes.

Aldritch burnt for a while before getting a vision of an Age of Deep Sea and got hungry for gods.

Super Lothric Bros were supposed to link the fire but didn't.

Farron's Legion got consumed by the Abyss before they finished burning and Yhorn was so fucking powerful he squashed the Old Chaos by himself.

>>332922647
All the Silver Knights were illusions since they go poof when you pinprick Princess of Boobs. Ornstein probably left his Gywn-given soul to search for a traitor god so that Gywndolin can create a clone with his abilities.
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>>332922752
Nah nigga, "a" undead. Big difference. One meaning all undead, and the other meaning one unspecified undead. Could be anyone.
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>>332922453
Aldrich did indeed link the fire, he only started consuming gods after he became a Lord of Cinder. He got the strength to be a lord from the consumption of his fellow man, and moved on to bigger, grander prey afterwards
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>>332920657
In other words the Ornstein that was so fucking strong that he gained the title of Dragon slayer is weaker than his goddamn illusion?
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Why was Ornstein in Heide and why was he full abyss'd?
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>ornstein set back in DaS3
>still no fucking plume or chainmail skirt

I hate FROM so fucking much, thank God I stopped with the souls series at DaS.
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>>332922463
Here you go

>>332922871
Did you even play Dark Souls 1? Every undead that makes it out of the asylum is "the chosen undead".
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>>332922835
So we round the half burnt lords up to make them finish the job? christ gwyn was a stupid nigga he should if linked the fire to a concept like lust or companionship rather than humans.
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>>332922961
"ey gwyn, how about we spread some lies to manipulate people into doing grunt work for us, even after we are dead and shit"

There is your logical and rational answer.
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>>332923001
lust
>At the end of the age of fire, the fire is restored by a mass orgy.
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>>332922835
The Silver Knights wee NOT illusions, the Giant Sentinels were.
>>332922647
Gwyndolins illusions are plenty physical, anon. Recall the illusory wall that he throws up between Gwyns Tomb and the bonfire. Despite being a creation of Gwyndolin, it is still perfectly solid. Hell, the illusion of Gwynevere is solid as well, she physically hands you the lordvessel
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>>332923040
>"ey gwyn, how about we spread some lies to manipulate people into doing grunt work for us, even after we are dead and shit"
That's exactly the point, no undead was ever meant to link the fire, that's why I put fated in quotes.
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>>332922889
You fight the real ornstein in DaS2 after he has been weakened by age and corruption.

Or, the DaS2 version is also a lie, and we'll meet the real deal in DaS3
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>>332922925
no reason, just B team fanservice with no thought put into it
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>>332922961
No, they only become the 'Chosen Undead' if they managed to ring the 2 bells, beat Sen's Fortress, Anor Londo and retrieve the Lord Vessel

>>332923001
It's a ruse with a fake Firelink, you take their Souls to warp into whatever time/dimension the first flame is but as unkindled you just smolder abit instead of burning.

Plus 'Humanity' is an actual living parasite-thing as pieces of the Dark Soul.
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>>332923228
Here is the best explanation for Ornstein's story in DS1 and DS3.

Before DS1, Ornstein relinquished his Gwyn-granted soul to find Nameless King. Gywndolin used his soul to create Illusion Ornstein. CU defeated Smough first so Illusion Ornstein absorb his powers to become Super Ornstein but left Smough alive, hence you not getting Smough's Soul. Smough then gets promoted to be the last knight in Anor Londo
Ornstein found the Archdragon Peak and then astrally project himself like you did to find Nameless King. His physical body was used to make Dragonslayer Armor and the Astral one took off his armor and became a Dragon Monk or maybe even the Stormdrake.

DS2 is so out of place and ambiguous that it can easily be an imposter, a 2nd Dragonslayer not named Ornstein or a clone spat out by the Abyss
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>b-b-b-but DaS lore is as vast as a real mythology!
>muh Vaati muh ebicnamebro
>this isn't fair....!
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>>332923230
>Thou who art Undead, art chosen... In thine exodus from the Undead Asylum, maketh pilgrimage to the land of Ancient Lords... When thou ringeth the Bell of Awakening, the fate of the Undead thou shalt know...
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>>332923230
No, every single Undead is chosen and given a quest to retrieve the Lordvessel.
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No torrent yet?
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>>332923350
dragonslayer is a constant of the flame, whereever it is, you'll have an ornstein
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Does Furgitive Pygmy finally make an appearance in DS3?
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>>332924318
no, manus is dead
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>>332923921
april 4th
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>people thought that you could save the Fair Lady with donated humanity
>"she's getting better, she tells you so in her tier 3 dialogue"
>"look at her more energetic movements!"
ha

Haha

HAHAHA

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>332924318
Furtive
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>>332923921
Give me 2 hours
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>>332924318
He already did in DaS1
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Reminder that if you had just let the Flame die out like Kaathe wanted you to, this would never have happened
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>>332924664
>trusting snakes
Hohohohoho
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>>332924664
I knew Kaathe was right from the start, and idiots are still arguing he wasn't today.
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>>332924318
you killed him in Oolacile
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>>332924664
The point of Dark Souls 2 is to show that your choice in Dark Souls 1 didn't matter. If you refused to link yourself to the flames, another chosen undead would have come alone.

Does Dark Soul 3 explain the origins of the undead curse?
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>>332924752
>Arco de llama
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>>332924879
>Does Dark Soul 3 explain the origins of the undead curse?
Scholar of the First Sin already did.
The "First Sin" refers to Gwyn linking the fire to humanity, causing the curse and basically forcing the enemy of the fire to keep it burning.
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>>332924664
>everything under the Flame is fucked
>everything not under the flame is fucked
This just in; everything is fucked and it doesnt matter which side you pick
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>>332925014
I thought that Aldia?
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>>332924879
You mean DS 2 and 3 are both what-if sequels of those choices?
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>>332925179
Aldia is the "Scholar of" part.
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>>332924879
It didn't need to, we already knew what it was from DaS1 and DaS2.

The Curse an Augur of Darkness, a herald of the coming Abyss. When the Flame begins fading, so too does any disparity associated with it. Time becomes convoluted, as the distinction between past, present, and future blurs. Worlds start to overlap, as the boundaries between this universe and that universe start blurring. Life and Death is also and disparate pair of cocepts, and these also are set to fade. Beginning with the creatures most commonly affiliated with the Dark, being Humanity, and then rats, etc., the distinction between life anndnd death begins disappearing. And thus do Undead show their face. It's nothing more than the degeneration of life back to the pre-fire state that we saw in the intro to DaS1, beginning with Humanity as living carriers of darkness.
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>>332925205
No, what the fuck gave you that idea?
If no one ever linked the fire after Gwyn, there wouldn't have been enough powerful souls in the game's history to attempt what you do in Dark Souls 3.
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>>332925205
No.

DS1 = The first cycle
DS2 = Showing you there is a cycle
DS3 = Showing you what happens when someone tries to break the cycle like you did in the DLC when you gained the power of the 4 kings.
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>>332925283
Except that's wrong, the curse is a result of Gwyn fucking with the balance, not just the world going back to pre-dark/light disparity.
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So are any Dark Souls 3 bosses confirmed to be harder than Fume Knight yet?
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>>332925512
Pic in the OP may be, depending on your playstyle. The real difficult ones will probably be in the DLC again, as usual.
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>>332925014
Aida does NOT say that, I am so fucking sick and tired of people misinterpreting this.

Aldias entire speech is about the "illusion" of life, and how this illusion is shattered by the incoming darkness. And when the illusion breaks, men take their TRUE shape. What is this illusion?

Warmth, resplendence, peace. The good things in life. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE LIES. When Gwyn trembled at the dark, and banished all that stemmed from Humanity, these were the things that he introduced into the world. Man's "fleeting form" is as a normal-ass, civilized being.

They take their TRUE shape when Darkness overcomes them, and they become Undead and hollow. You want to see man's final form? Go and try and talk to hollow Vendrick in the Undead Crypt.

The curse is nothing but an Augur of Darkness, as the games intro states, it is the catalyst that peels back the illusion life, as Aldia acknowledged.

Gwyn didn't cause the Curse, his Ages of Fire hold it temporarily at bay.
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>>332925471
Fuck off. Read >>332925819 and stop being illiterate
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>>332925819
Isn't the age of darkness, supposed to be the age of humanity as well? Hard to imagine the age of humanity where everyone is undead and hollow.
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>>332925917
>read stupid shit I just made up.
How about I don't?
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>>332925819
This

I really dont get why people struggle with Souls story so much, it really isnt that complicated.

Between the trailers and NPC dialogue it tells you everything you need to know. People spend so much time making shit up and listening to youtube hacks they come up with all these baseless bullshit theories for Souls and make it far more complicated than it really is.
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>>332925819
>>332925917
>Once, the Lord of Light banished Dark, and all that stemmed from humanity.
And men assumed a fleeting form."
Men assumed a fleeting form AFTER Gwyn linked the fire. Pay attention.
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>>332924664
>>332924743

>kaatheposting

Fuck off, dirty snake. Keep your apples.
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>>332923357
Epic Name Bro always said despite the implications that he thought Solaire wasn't Gwyns firstborn. He said Solaire was an example of "From's sense of humor coming through" and that based on the old concept art and the interviews he thought Andre was originally meant to be him until they changed their minds and made him just a blacksmith. ENB is based, fuck off.
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>>332925512
Aldrich. Most streamers got rekt by his homing soul mass and his moonlight shots. He's the new Anor Londo team rocket. He fight in the same place as O&S.
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>>332925939
That's exactly what it is. Enjoy being a king who rules over nothing but shuffling hollows
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>>332926031
You are all retarded. The fire is a metaphor for civilisation. It allowed man to tame the beasts of the wild and build great things. All that "Darkness will come and Age of Dark will be the Age of Man" is just brainwashing to make you give it up and stop yelling at black people on the internet.
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>>332926289
see
>>332926082
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>>332925512
orphan of kos is already harder than fume knight
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>>332926031
People don't realize the story is really simple, with some background info thrown in. The problem comes from the fact that the games are normally unfinished, or have cut content, which just causes speculation, and in most people think it's intentional. People forget that From was a middle market dev at best, and now are a middle market dev with a AAA budget. That's not an insult, but people forget these guys also made some pretty mediocre tenchu, armored core, and even kings field games. They were never ultra talented devs, they were small devs who had a ton of passion for making unique games they wanted to make. I love the souls series.
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>>332926090
No one gives a flying shit what baseless bullshit you believe in. End yourself.
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>>332926343
Some say orphan of kosm is harder
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Solaire being Gwyn's firsborn was a community lore anyone. Gwyn's firstborn was supposed to be Andre, but they scrapped this storyline (the guy in the pic actually looks like Andre.

I have no idea why, but the community was like, "oh if they scrapped this storyline we can just point out this guy as Gwyn's firstborn since he wants to be a sun and sun = son and is like fire durr"


So, do we know why Gwyn's firstborn was banished in the first place?
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>>332926343
But they are both easy desu senpai
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>>332926424
The story was always fucking simple. It is the details that people like to speculate on.
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>>332926518
Not him but its obviously not simple enough because there are still idiots who misinterpret everything
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>>332926424
>People don't realize the story is really simple, with some background info thrown in. The problem comes from the fact that the games are normally unfinished, or have cut content, which just causes speculation
Wrong. Miyazaki has said time and time again that he constructs the backstory of the games in an ambiguous way on purpose.
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>>332926462
Because he allied himself with the Dragons. It's in his item descriptions.
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>>332926082
No, because Gwyn had a roaring age of flame long before the fire needed linking. The pygmy and the dark soul were feeble and forgotten for an age, and men assumed the fleeting form of proud, civilized beings in New Londo, Oolacile, and in Gwyns armies
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>>332926426
Calm down, faggot
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>>332926562
Well that doesn't mean it isn't simple.
There's plenty of idiots that fail reading comprehension in school but still manage to pass anyway.
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>>332920493
its 1.01 so its Japanese release version

its the normal version yes
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>>332926576
The backstories are ambiguous. The story of dark souls is really really fucking simple.

>Hurrr durrr dragons
>Hurrr durrr flames
>Hurrrr durrr flames > dragons
>Hurr durrr flames fading
>Hurrr durrr oh i fucked up making flames
>Hurrr durrr let me sacrifice myself to make flames on on longer

Thats it.
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>>332926339
>implying that humans were undead and hollow at the beginning of Gwyns reign
Gwyn banished the Dark and Humanity as soon as the dragons were dead, and man's fleeting form was all that was known until the flame began fading, and hollows appeared for the first time
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>>332918486
Solaire was never the Firstborn. Miyazaki confirmed that but memetards like Vaati came up with the most retarded bullshit to force their retarded opinions.
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>>332926727
>webm
man, some of the bossfights I've seen are plain disappointing

especially ancient wyvern and the one I was most hyped for Wolnir
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>>332926608
See >>332926426
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>>332926736
Anybody could streamline anything into the most simplest shit possible. Not only you hold this power.
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>>332924752
the fuck is that
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>>332926840
Calm down before mommy has to put you in a timeout
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>Gwyn hates dragons with a passion
>his firstborn sides with the dragons
>his daughter fucks a dragon and then moves to another land to marry some dragon-obsessed fuck who later transforms into a dragon
>his other son doesn't even have sun powers and ends up being eaten by a blob

what did gwyn do to deserve this?
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>>332920693
I would be mad too

>put in a vague lore that you don't fucking explain to your fan base
>people think they've figured it out and are happy
>make it even more vague in the next game, literally leaving out important shit until dlc and a patch
>finally make it understandable in the third game, which contradicts everything from the first

B team quality right here
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>>332926931
>s-stop pointing out how stupid I am watching baseless videos!
I know you'll reply again to save face. Go on, reply again with another epic "no u".
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>>332926905
did you not play DkS1?
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>>332926727
>not remembering Dark Souls 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TpgZbL3tIo
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>>332926905
Spoilers for the DLC true ending.
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>>332927017
so..they aren't really serpents?
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>>332926990
>waah why didn't they cater to me and the other Vaati fans! Fucking B team I will boycott your shitty game until you confirm all my retarded fan theories about a lore that was never there!
So salty
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>>332927010
Go to your room anon, you're officially in time out
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>>332927080
Thanks for proving my point flawlessly, grow up kid.
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>>332926579

>Dragon allies with humans
>Gets huge ass library
>Gets part of the lord soul
>Gets to go all Joseph Mengele and use human beings as test subjects
>Gets to fuck the goddamn king's daughter who has a huge chest.

>Human allies with dragons
>Gets banished and removed from hisotry
>Goes hollow
>Has to live in some freezing cloud

And you guys are still listening to pimeordeal serpents?
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>>332927058
They are. What gives you that impression?

The statue seems to be some sort of human in-transformation. If you add to that the other statues around Lothric of people self-decapitating, and Knights with wings whose weapons mention the "Angels", it's safe to assume that there's some sort of fuckery/cult going around in Lothric.
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>>332926031

It's already explained perfectly as a concept by the monumental in Demon's Souls, even though i sincerely do not believe the stories are in anyway connected, i think the general concepts are. Give a listen.

https://youtu.be/G6J7gSSmGWM?t=74
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>>332926815
>some
more like 90% of them
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>>332924664
>Oolacile was just a prank, bro!
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>>332927145
Calm down, anon, you're already in time out, you don't want a spanking do you? Don't make mommy spank you.
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>>332926990
>>people think they've figured it out
Its not Froms fault you are retarded

If something is open to interpretation you cant 'figure it out' you can only hold a belief in what you think it might mean. That doesn't make you right you arrogant fuck.
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>>332927145
Okay, that's enough. Bedtime it is.
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>>332927162
What do the primordial serpents have to do with that?
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>>332926976
He deserves all that for being an utterly disappointing final boss of ds1. The last four bosses before him were harder to beat than him.
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>>332927304
parry baby detected
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>>332927074
>>332926990
Holy shit you're retarded.
The lore being ambiguous is intentional, Miyazaki expects people to draw their own conclusions. There's only a "lore community" for these games because if it. No one is upset about a few answers to things we only had speculation on previously being in 3.
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>>332920959
Pretty much.

The joke line was "The passage of time is convoluted" or something like that. Any time lore didn't quite fit, just say that and knock someone in the ribs with your elbow.
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>>332927269

They're dragon descendants, aren't they?
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>>332927162
Seath allied with the lords, not humanity.
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>>332927215
I really dont get why they renamed everything. DeS and DaS are almost 1:1 story.
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>>332927058
Woops, dropped this
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/caduceus-round-shield
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>>332927035
>RAAAUUUR-
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>>332927398
primordial = existed since the start of time

They simply existed, independent of everything
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>>332927398
>The serpent is an imperfect dragon and symbol of the Undead. Its habit of devouring prey even larger than itself has led to an association with gluttony.

Not exactly their description but since Primodial seems to indicate that they are pre-Age of Fire.

Their descendants are drakes, Gaping dragon and Everlasting Dragon anyway.
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people honestly thought that Solaire was Gwyn's son? It was pretty clear he wasn't from his equipment descriptions. I just thought he was a strange man who wanted to be a bro.
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>>332927074
>vaati

I'm sorry, I do not watch washed up youtubers who make their money from a failing website by proposing retarded ideas about video games. Also, stop defending this series shitty story, if you can even call it story as there clearly is none.

>>332927254
>you arrogant fuck
>point out I would be mad too if I was one of the niggers that thought he had shit figured out

Fromdrones can't read, nor can they figure out a games story I see.
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>>332927675
>Fromdrones can't read
>implying you are not mad as fuck
Next you'll pretend it wasnt you who posted that

Stay salty faggot, your shitty fan theory was false.
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>>332927675
>YouTube
>failing website
Anon...
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>>332927162
>Gets to fuck the goddamn king's daughter who has a huge chest.
You fucking vaati sucking "lore" faggots are cancer
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>all these vaati fanboys backtracking

loving every laugh
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>>332920831
Yes magic is shit like it's supposed to be
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>>332927046
Nice to see my country mythology being used for once
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>>332927894
Vaati doesn't come up with the theories or the lore. He got big just by making videos about what other anons had already discovered and uncovered. Liking the lore doesn't mean you follow Vaati. He didn't actually come up with the theories on his own.
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>>332926746
Humans were originally undead and hollow. The pygmy giving them the dark soul was what made humans the humans they were under Gywn
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>>332928028
loving
every
laugh
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>>332927358
Not him, but I don't like Gwyns fight without parrying. I find his DUDE INFINITE STAMINA LMAO gimmick obnoxious. It's about as annoying as trying to fight Pthumerian Descendent without viscerals
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>>332922096
of what, wayer?
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But the big question is:
Gwyneveere was huge or not?
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>>332928097
Everything was a hollow before the Flame, just look at the intro cinematic to DaS1. Under the Flame they are allowed to become something more, but when it goes out they return to this state
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>>332926462
In DaS1 item descriptions say that he was banished for fucking misplacing some history books iirc
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>>332928281
At least at tall as Gywndo
Her statue in the painting hall showed her twice as tall as the Silver Knights, but who knows if that was scaled down
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>>332926815
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>>332928380
shoo skeleton shoo
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>>332927675

You're very new to shitposting, aren't you? It pays to at least read the posts you're fucking quoting.
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>>332928341
No, they say that he was banished for foolish actions that CAUSED the loss of the history books. We now know what those were
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>>332918647
>is bothered by what other people like

Yeah sounds real autistic
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What if the firstborn and Solaire are the same person?


I mean DS2 and 3 make it pretty clear that everyone gets reincarnated
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>>332928341
translation error
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>>332928457
Enough with that
Solaire was just a cool dude and nothing more
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>>332928457
Stop being so desperate, you're reaching
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How did artorias form the Abysswatchers if he was dead?
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>>332927481

Old One is responsible for everything. Atleast that's what my silly headcanon thinks. The intro in Demon's Souls tells that mankind was born with a "poison" since day one, so i just kind of roll with the idea that all further Souls games kind of combat with the same conundrum, that is i like to think that they're all kind of happening in the same world, but in a different time, space and reality.

Atleast it sounds more plausible then trying to make all sorts of silly lore by cross-referencing characters, places and names, like a certain youtuber
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>>332926343
>orphan of kos
>harder than fume knight

no fucking way. Orphan is far too lenient with both its damage and attack range. He's not a hard boss at all.

With Fume Knight, there's no option to cheese him, you have to fight him fair, and his ai+moveset, and damage absorption really makes him a challenge.

IMO, the only boss harder than fume knight would be a no parry gwyn.
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>>332922503
Yeah, I remember we already knew years ago it was supposed to be Andre.
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>>332928028
>discovered and uncovered
*made up
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>>332928587
They're Farron's abysswatchers, not Artorias' abysswatchers.
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>>332918486
Holy shit. I just realised that it's his head behind the scarf.
For some reason every time I looked at the picture I thought it's some pyramide like helmet.
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>>332928457
>I mean DS2 and 3 make it pretty clear that everyone gets reincarnated
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>>332928680

Better question

How did they know who Artorias was?

Anor Londo is pretty much forgotten by this point
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>>332928028
This shit always raises the question about how many people would know the fucking lore without his and other youtubers' videos. I'd rather watch or read about it, than going through a thousand item descriptions and piecing it together that's for sure. Who the fuck has time for that?
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>>332928380
shoo skeleton shoo
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>>332928698
Makes you wonder where his fucking neck is. I hate these Dragonball Z-tier designs.
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>>332928735
This
I know people shit on DaS2 a lot, but even they made it clear that the 4 lord bosses weren't reincarnations;
they were simply beings empowered by the remains of the 4 great lords from the first cycle

They were so strong that their influence lingered cycle after cycle
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>>332927046

i want to fuck that
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I never got into autistic lore videos. What did they see that made them think Solair was special?

It seemed obvious that he was just a regular autistic guy that was obsessed with the sun.
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>>332928802
>Anor Londo is pretty much forgotten by this point

DS2 is retconned. Gwyn, anor londo, and other characters/places from 1 are not lost from memory like 2 would have you believe
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Have you heard how curiously the Sea churns?

Like a storm, but like the rain, only gentle... like dripping water....

It bellows, from deeeeeeeep inside of me. Here it comes, up through my insides! But gentle, like little droplets...
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>>332928934
That's a boss now. It's probably going to fuck you instead.
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>>332928953
He likes the sun a lot, and so does Gwyn
Pro-tip: A lot of people like the fucking sun when it's literally the lifeblood of that universe
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>>332922345
god i wish. way too many people seem to care these days. its very clearly just some flavor on top of the "go kill the bosses to fight the big boss" formula.
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>>332928985
>DS2 is retconned

I love this meme
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>>332919867
Thats actually gwyns wifes son
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>>332928985

>Retconned

>Weapons, armor, spells, and a fire keeper from that game are in it with descriptions about those places and what happened there
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>>332928985
>DS2 is retconned.
Absolutely not, they just made it more obvious that it took place in a different location.
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>>332929010
>Pro-tip: A lot of people like the fucking sun when it's literally the lifeblood of that universe

But the sun will eventually destroy us all
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>>332928380
shoo skeleton shoo
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>>332927818
It's okay, anon, he didn't want to offend your waifu.
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>>332925939
Its called "age of darkness" because its given by the old gods. They view humanity ruling as a bad thing, so they call it the Age of Dark. Its just a red herring to make think about it more or something
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>>332928985
Famalam, they literally say the Land of Giants is across the sea
As in, not where DaS2 takes place
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>>332929156
>>332929219
>>332929030

Dark Souls 2:
>The origin of the name Havel is not clear. Some say it was the warrior who wore the armor, but others say it was the name of a great kingdom ruined in a barbaric war.

Dark Souls 3:
>This ring was named after Havel the Rock, the battlefield compatriot of Gwyn, the First Lord.

Sounds like a retcon to me. And that's just 1 example of many. B Team blown the FUCK out. DS2drones blown the F U C K out.

Get over it.
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>>332929156
Yhorm is not a DS2 giant then?
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>>332929389
Yhorm has an actual face, so no.
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>>332929280
That's great because she isn't my waifu
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>>332929382
DaS2 item descriptions were from the perspective of someone not in Lordran
DaS1 and 3 are because that's where the games take place

Has this clicked with you yet?
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>>332929438

How do we know the giants in 2 didn't have faces ?

Did you stuck you face into the giant's hole?
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