What are somethings Warlords of Draenor did right? Did it improve the game at all?
model update for swf porn
that's literally it
>>332911006
Raids were ok i suppose
>>332911006
The questing experience is the best it's ever been.
only good thing were the model updates
and they're still not that great
questing was also a little bit better
>>332911425
I disagree. Ever since they added quest chain achievements. They made questing more of a chore to complete than a means for progression. Making you want to stay and finish the chain even thou you want to move on to the next zone after you've reached a certain level. I'm sorry, but my OCD will not allow me to leave until I finish that chain. In this case fuck them for making every questing experience the fucking same. It was fine the first time, but when you're leveling 9 other characters. It becomes so fucking dull, and repetitious. Just tell me to kill some boars, or retrieve the battle plans. I'll get it done. Just don't drag me into some stupid story quest chain every fucking time.
Fuck Blizzard for that.
>>332912791
>I've got OCD
>it's these game devs fault
>>332911006
Raiding team is still doing their best.
And people that stuck around with WoD made millions of gold :^)
>>332912885
>>I've got OCD
>>it's these game devs fault
Yes, they are ableists you stupid shitlord. Prove me wrong, you literally can't.
>>332911006
The music was pretty great on some tracks, such as the crowning jewel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0xu9lIwwLA
However, literally everything else was made worse or ruined entirely. Yes, even the "updated" models, half of them look worse than the classic variants.
Gladiator stance.
And they're removing it in Legion.
Fuck blizzard.
Models, chain quests,I like the garrison
>>332911006
The questing was pretty good. It's still a bit easy for my liking but I don't think we'll ever go back to the slow crawl of vanilla or bc. In terms of content and design it was actually fun for a change.
>Characters (Unfortunately the wasted so many good ones too)
>Soundtrack
>Raiding
It did plenty right, what it didn't do was provide enough of it
>>332913335
The only thing I liked about my garrison is it made me lazier from going out to gather resources, and allows me to make heaps of gold to buy game time tokens so I could play for free. So yeah, that is probably the best thing they did. I didn't buy the expansion till they implemented this change. So I paid only 30 USD for this expansion in total.
Khadgar
>>332913756
Wrong.
Gul'dan.
Khadgar is a fucking faggot.
Model updates was okay.Subpar for slutmogging due to stretching the decade old gear used for it
Raid encounters was good.
Raid visuals, not so much.
Questing was fine, the first time.
Liked the treasure hunting puzzles.
Some of the music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0IcI0OeW0U
Exploration(unless you're a cunt who used addon to cheat yourself out of fun), fly mounts available only after you proved your worth to use them but for your whole acc excluding tedious process for your twinks, raid boss mechanics.
I thought questing was pretty boring. The treasures and shit were nice but the actual zones and quests were underwhelming except for spires of arak.
the new female Night Elf, Blood Elf, Human, Gnome, and Draenei models
Here's a harder question: what did Cataclysm do right?
>>332914421
Everything except everything after 4.1.
IF YOU THINK THE BEST EXPANSION WAS ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE BURNING CRUSADE, YOUR OPINION IS WRONG
>>332914421
It did pvp much, much better than WoD. And arms warriors weren't absolute shit to play.
>>332914421
>it got rid of the shitty old world quests
>Blackwing Descent and Bastion of Twilight were great (to this day the only thing I'm still proud of achieving is Dragonslayer before Firelands came out)
>Flying in EK and Kalimdor
>>332914456
>Everything
Thousand needles is enough of a wrong to condemn the entire addon.
>>332914516
I don't get why people liked Thousand Needles. One of the worst zones in the game, before and after Cataclysm.
>>332914502
>shitty old world quests
I never thought a person can be this wrong.
>>332914585
look in the mirror
>>332914570
It had great atmosphere and sense of scale.
>>332914585
I'm genuinely curious why a person would defend the old quests. Did you only level a single character or something?
>>332914629
Yeah, it looked kinda cool but everything else was kinda crap about it.
>>332914629
it only had a sense of scale because you couldn't leave the ground
The Sexodar and Silvermoon still have a sense of scale
>>332914570
fuck you mate the vanilla salt flats were a godsend when leveling up
>>332914813
TN would have it too if all the scale wasn't under the fucking water now.
>>332914642
Old quests weren't all located in quest hubs, you had to search for interesting ones turning it into adventure, while quest hubs just gave you boring ones that you did for XP, and even they still required you to read and sometimes search for them, because it didn't give you a big arrow, blue zone on the map and highlighted names.
Also just because it wasn't as special on subsequent characters does not subtract from the first experience, you leveling dozen alts is your own problem, any game becomes boring when you play through it so many times in succession.
LFR and LFG are good things. Prove me wrong
PRO TIP: YOU CANT
the females
>>332915881
>you will never be a hung female Draenei who's spent her entire time since crashing on Azeroth spilling her seed deep inside of Elf wombs
why live
It good rid of a lot of casuals.
World looks great.
Leveling is great.
Raids are great. Not top tier like Karazhan and Ulduar but still one of the best in the game.
Challengemodes are fun but this is something that came from MoP.
Mythic difficulty for dungeons is also quite fun.
Ashran was very unbalanced in the past but it got a lot better and is actual fun now.
It's basically f2p now for very little effort.
I quested through southern barrens a few days ago and it's just sad. I wish Cataclysm never happend.
>>332916183
cataclysm ruined it all
Garrison and the mission table was a great idea for a personal hub and something to do outside of raid times. The problem was the game having virtually nothing outside of the garrison so retards somehow concluded that the one thing providing reward was to blame and not the world outside of that with absolutely nothing to do.
No flying was also a great idea but again the community managed to turn it into a negative for the same reason.
Mists of Pandaria was a great expansion until it became about Orcs, you're a faggot if you think otherwise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9VVCdDq03w
>>332916758
Yeah, it was surprisingly good. I don't know if it was the Chinese money or genuine passion but it was such a well crafted expansion.
>MoP, the expansion everyone thought would be shit was actually amazing
>WoD, the expansion everyone thought would be amazing was actually shit
Funny how it goes sometimes.
>>332916758
no its shit cuckboy back to feggit
>>332916758
>you'll never wander around the Jade Forest again
>you'll never enter the Valley of the Four Winds for the first time again
>you'll never enter the Vale of Eternal Blossoms for the first time again
>you'll never take a Zen Pilgrimage to the Peak of Serenity for the first time again
>>332916887
>the first time I traveled to the Peak of Serenity the day MoP launched this motherfucker yelled and cackled maniacally
>the World Bosses in WoD weren't even voiced, they were completely silent, and out of the way of questing so even if one was up, you could level and walk right past them without knowing it
Why is BC typically considered the best expansion when it brought about the objectively worst thing to ever be added into the game?
>>332916183
>World looks great.
Eh, debatable, but I do like most regions. Tanaan is shit for the most part, though.
>Leveling is great.
Sort of, but it sure beats Wotlk at least. I liked MoP more though.
>Raids are great. Not top tier like Karazhan and Ulduar but still one of the best in the game.
Agreed.
>Challengemodes are fun but this is something that came from MoP.
That's just filler content, but at least it's something I guess
>Mythic difficulty for dungeons is also quite fun.
Again, more filler. Mythic difficulty is what Heroic should have been to begin with. Adding yet another difficulty on top of Heroic is just silly at this point, same thing with raids.
>Ashran was very unbalanced in the past but it got a lot better and is actual fun now.
Agreed, Ashran was/is wasted potential. Could've been better from the get go, and could be much better now, but it's at least playable now.
>It's basically f2p now for very little effort.
Can confirm.
>>332917191
Nostalgia. Really, whenever someone says the game used to be better (WoD excluded) it's all nostalgia.
>>332917191
lfg was put in during wotlk you fag
>>332917305
can you provide any facts to back this up?
>>332917191
Why is it sitting atop a massive hyper penis
>>332917365
No, not really.
Can you back the claim that TBC was better up?
>>332917424
It didnt have lfg
>$50
>>332917473
>LFG was bad
I love this meme.
>Alliance got Shadowmoon Valley
>Alliance got the superior Garrison
>Alliance has Dwarves
Why the fuck would anyone ever play Horde?
>>332917498
It's convenient, but it destroyed whatever community was left
>>332917498
Man you can't actually believe it's good right?
>>332917602
>not joining your servers global chat channel
>playing on a dead realm
>>332917602
But there's plenty of community left. Join a guild, have fun, shitpost in /2, do raids and PvP with friends. Shit's great. You can't just say that there's no community when the entire game is based around it.
>>332917676
>Play on MG Alliance and WrA Horde
>That feel when there's a Tauren DK on WrA Horde in their LFG channel who always yells in caps and hates Elves
I've managed to get into random battlegrounds with him as my Alliance characters and told him who I was on WrA, shit was great
>>332917305
>great tier
TBC, Wrath
>good tier
Vanilla, MoP
>shit tier
Cata, WoD
I've been playing since March 05. I've seen communities come and go, and the high points for this game were during TBC and Wrath. And as much as I love Wrath, I'm willing to admit it was the start of a lot of bad habits that now plague this game(no, not LFD but it was the foundation for LFR, which crippled a lot of guilds)
>>332917934
>not referred to as God Emperor
fake and gay
>>332912791
Actually I found out about the "Elixir of the Rapid Mind" today.
I spent all day leveling my warrior from 91 to 100, I've never had more fun just leveling a guy up.
>>332917934
LFD is fucking horrible you tard. But I agree with rest
>>332917558
>shadowmoon
ruined by the adventures of yrel.
>garrison
+1
>dwarves
grats on having one good race. horde have orcs, undead, trolls and tauren.
Yeah LFD is horrible you tards it was better the way it was
>LF Tank Shadow Labs
>LF Tank Shadow Labs
>LF Tank Shadow Labs
>3 hours later
>LF Tank Shadow Labs
>>332918031
>forgetting the bombjews
>>332918031
Every race on the Alliance except Worgen are good
You literally have undead humans and elves that used to be on the Alliance. You are the Alliance's scraps and a bunch of faggots with back problems.
>>332918056
I still have to wait thousand years to get into a dungeon, nothing changed you faggot
>>332918056
>not /who warrior and whispering, looking for a tank
>not asking in your guild
You have only yourself to blame for playing MMO as a single-player game.
>>332918175
>implying you can't do that now
You have only yourself to blame for being a contrarian faggot who thinks LFD is inferior to shitty summoning stones
>>332918239
back to ledit you faggot
>>332918125
>Gnomes
>Draenei
>Good
>>332918125
>humans
The choice of the most boring person in the entire universe
>Night elves
The choice of a horny teenager
>Gnomes
The choice of a lolsorandumbxd redditor
>Draenei
The choice of a pervert fapping to horse futa
>>332918317
>Gnomes
>Bad
Go back to plebbit, Goblinfucker
Go back to goblin, Plebbitfucker
>>332918239
The problem is that nowadays the game is filled to the brim with faggots like you who in proposal of doing anything in the old social way will tell you to just use LFG system and won't engage in any socialization.
>>332918364
>any horde race except tauren
the choice of an edglord contrarian
>tauren
the choice of a total bro
>>332918364
All of those people would rather play blood elves except maybe the horse futas.
>>332918364
>Orcs
The choice of an edgy faggot with a bunch of death metal posters on his walls, probably wears black makeup
>Undead
Same thing as Orcs
>Tauren
Furries
>Trolls
dudeweedlmao
>Blood Elves
>
>Goblins
THEY'RE JEWS AND BLOW UP ISN'T THAT FUNNY
>>332912791
I agree and disagree. The questing wasn't bad but the writing was. I just didn't care at all for what was going on. Nothing felt too important to me either because you just wreck this supposedly foreign power at the beginning and are cleaning up or well, just didn't give a fuck.
>>332911374
This was the only thing I enjoyed. New models worked nice for muh pretty armor transmog obsession, regardless of how shit the art has become as of late. It's something I like doing in any RPG / MMO.
>>332918437
this tbqf
>>332918468
>Tauren
>Furries
Pick one.
>>332918437
It doesn't have faggots like you still playing it so it's clearly better off
![Blood-Elf_histogram1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PNT0P8w.jpg "Blood-Elf_histogram1[1].jpg")
>he plays blood elf
>>332918523
cuck
>>332918003
LFD was needed regardless of how strongly people may cry about it.
This game has evolved past 5mans as end game content. People now see them as a stepping stone to raiding and PvP. Once players have cleared through them, outfitted their characters in heroic gear and grabbed any achievements/items they were going for, they stop doing them. This in turn shrinks the pool of players that are willing to run them, causing the time spent looking for group to increase.
LFD was just a quick fix to the problem. I'm sure if Blizzard could go back in time, they would've instead designed a LFG system that's similar to the one that was added in Warlords(OQ comes to mind)
>>332918653
cuckboy
>>332918582
>tfw have a Blood elf paladin named SephÃroth
>>332918653
>>332918437
>>332918003
>>332918003
the biggest problem with lfd is that it teleports you to the dungeon from the start
any new player from 2011 onwards probably has no idea where any of these dungeons are located, it makes the entire world shrink
>>332918582
>no Katniss
I'm callin' bullshit
>>332917273
>Again, more filler. Mythic difficulty is what Heroic should have been to begin with. Adding yet another difficulty on top of Heroic is just silly at this point, same thing with raids.
I really dislike the idea of "challenging" dungeons because the tried with Cataclysm and it was just awful and felt like a chore.
Mainly because they weren't really hard but tedious.
I prefer easy dungeons for the starting ilvl grind and optional challengemodes much more. Challengemodes are really well tuned, way better than any other "hard" dungeon ever was.
I really did like the TBC dungeons though and I think mythic dungeons nowadays with the gear they are designed for give you a very similar feeling to the old tbc dungeons.
Only downside with mythic dungeons is that they are essentially just a compensation for new dungeons instead. I mean 8 dungeons are really not that much and getting mythic instead of more dungeons was a let down. But mythic dungeons per se are pretty good.
Also I think that we didn't get new dungeons because of challengemodes.
It would have been hard do get the rewards and achievements right so just a mythic mode was way easier to implement.
But with the new challengemode changes in Legion this shouldn't be problem anymore.
>>332918872
You still have to go to the entrances for CMs and Mythics
It's alright though, I'm sure you haven't done dungeons on the hardest difficulty anyway
>>332919079
>I'm sure you haven't done dungeons on the hardest difficulty anyway
Can you provide any facts to back this up?
>>332918872
people will argue convenience. if you remove the teleport, you now have people complaining that they're forced to sit close to the dungeon entrances.
I would love for a new system that encourages players to socialize and meet up in the world, but the community is full of tards that will ruin it.
>>332918003
>LFD is fucking horrible you tard. But I agree with rest
Confirmed shitter who never played wow without LFD
Try playing on a medium population server in TBC spending hours to find a tank for a heroic
LFD was absolutely needed
>>332919201
>new system that encourages players to socialize and meet up in the world
they already had this during vanilla and tbc but this apparently doesnt work so well
>>332917558
>Shadowmoon valley
Frostfire ridge is probably the comfiest zone in the entire game, SMV is nice though.
>Garrison
Comfy snowy garrison>fairy ass nelf forest.
>Dwarves
Literally the only cool alliance race.
Ill stick to the master races.
Orc, Troll, Tauren.
>>332919079
>You still have to go to the entrances for CMs and Mythics
because a lvl 18 first timer will go straight for mythic right?
>>332919319
>that shitty font
>playing on a PvP realm
>>332919319
castle>mudhut
>>332919372
I play on ED.
AKA the only server that still has proper world pvp.
I'm actually a pve main though.
>>332919426
you're still the kind of faggot that would put an Orc in a monocle, that's bad enough
>>332919420
>Stuff clearly made of Wood, Metal and rocks.
>mudhut
Go back to your fairytale shit, cocklover.
https://youtu.be/cW_Lv0r-l4c?t=63
>>332916758
In retrospect MoP was a good expac but I think it came at a time where a lot of people who enjoyed Vanilla, BC and WOTLK had just had enough.
Also not a fan of a lot of class design decisions they made for DPS classes like less focus on rotations and more RNG bollocks but it's better than the shitshow of WoD.
Story was shit.
>>332919470
You sound like the kind of faggot that slutmogs every single character he plays.
>complaining about a monocle on an old orc.
Nigga you don't know shit...
here, my affliction offspec with the edgy ass megaman helmet.
>>332919319
>All those orcs + Tauren with good transmog
>Blood elf with glowing blue and gold shit on
God damn, I'm embarrassed that I used to play a fem blood elfPlate on any female race is shit
>>332919621
>thinking he gets to have an opinion when he's the kind of person to go DUDE REFINED ORC LMAO
>>332919734
that durotaz guy doing it right
>savage expansion
>transmog to match
>>332919734
>Plate on any female race is shit
Shit taste.
>>332919774
Damn, we got a butt-blasted alliance babby over here...
Since you seem to love orcs so much, here have my warrior.
>>332920068
Damn, we got a butt-blasted Orc obsessed with pictures of himself over here.
>>332920068
>this game will never be good again
whi lyve?
>>332920119
Whats the problem anon-kun.
Jealous of the superior races of the horde?
I would say no flying but they had to go and pussy out on that
I liked that there was actually somewhat dangerous elite mobs in the world again instead of just inside dungeons.
>>332920236
Nigga, /vg/ is filled with the worst kind of faggots, i ain't going there...Seriously, /wowg/ is the worst circle jerk of the bunch
>>332920409
/vg/ ruins another thread
Can't you people just talk about the game for once.I played around 10 hours of wod before giving up entirely, I'm just here for nostalgia and hoping people post stories about shit from the game
>>332920483
Then stop fucking replying to one you autist.
>want to play WoD cause muh updated models
>don't want to play a monthly fee to have fun
thanks blizzard
>>332920602
Grind like an autistic faggot and pay for your sub with gold.
I only need 28 chaos tome and then I'll get my legendary ring.
I swear to god they better not do that kind of quest that takes 3 months of grind
Is it worth getting into WoW now? Had some experience with WotLK private servers a few years ago, but that's about it.
>>332920068
I remember taking a lot of pictures of my wow characters when I was 14.
>>332920695
You have to grind up each artifact weapon for each spec individually. So they are, except you have to do it 3 times.
>>332920716
Do you have friends that play?
>>332911006
yes
>>332920704
>only for 84k gold!
I'll sure enjoy grinding all those characters to level 100, and then grind for all those new characters for setting up a garrison
>>332911006
the only thing i like was that you actually got something for exploring, then again you could just use an addon for this.
>>332920716
i would wait till legion release
>that feel when you got the only rare drop mount you ever wanted
I don't play anymore but at least I can say I'm satisfied
>>332914421
shitload of content if you like questing
i leveled two characters without any exp boost to get to see the zones again experience the new quests and dungeons.
if i ever start wow again im definitely going to do the same.
>>332921147
same. all I wanted was invincible and it took me only 5 weeks of farming with 8 characters to get it.
>>332917305
as someone who's literally playing both vanilla and wod at the same time, vanilla's core game design and progression is vastly superior to the current state of the game.
that being said the later versions of the game included some pretty good mechanics (new professions, glyphs and stuff like that) and quality of life improvements that are sorely lacking in earlier versions of the game. that does not include dungeon and raid finder or stuff like that, though. that stuff is convenient, but it fucks with the mmo aspect of the game in a major way somehow. it's hard to describe.
also the later installments aren't nearly as grindy, which is a very good thing
>>332920869
Nope, but WoW seems quite comfy.
By the way, can you still find people to do old dungeons and what not for achievements? I'm not a big fan of PvP and what not.
>>332915181
> Old quests weren't all located in quest hubs, you had to search for interesting ones turning it into adventure
Except the adventure was extremely illogically constructed and had no clear reasons to exist. Talk all you will about "the adventure", but when some quests you got by dying and corpse running across another ghost, having to spend 10-15 minutes trying to find a quest giver even with help of Thottbot/Wowhead, having a quest start at level 32 and end in a level 39 elite boss after about two quests in between. In vanilla wow, an alliance character the level 40 could not level to 45 by dying every single quest there is available.
> You had to read quest text
No you did not. Wash away your nostalgia. Go to nostalrius. 95% of quests are kill/loot/collect quests and in the rest, the quest text is vague as fuck. Kill enough centars to summon a big centaur? The quest text only alludes to that.
Now, don't get me wrong, I am not the biggest fan of WoTLK and after quests with endless super long chains making you to 100% zones and never miss a single quests. But Vanilla, with about three quests per settlement and most zones having less than 30 quests?
>>332921312
You can, but it's pretty boring without someone to talk to while you do it, that's all I did before I quit playing
>>332921147
>3 tries
god damn you are lucky
>>332921356
Can't you make friends while playing, though?
>>332921147
>the only one I got was the one I didn't care for
>>332921338
You are literally what's wrong with WoW, you have no appreciation for exploration, all you want is numbers that are bigger than previous numbers.
Post your oldest screenshot.
>nelf hunter
They did a stat squish, but it did jack shit really since health is already almost at a million. So really they fucked everything up with Warlords.
>>332912908
>all of the people who skipped out on WoD coming back to the garrison-gold inflated economy
That never ever crossed my mind until now.
>>332917191
World was small enough that despite this you'd still encounter a lot of people when you were out farming/doing dailies/putzing around in Vanilla until the raid starts.
Even my dead ass server at the time (Auchindoun) managed to feel "alive" because of this.
And the social aspect WAS the best part of this game. Getting to know (and getting to HATE) randoms was an experience that is now impossible to have organically.
>>332911006
WoD made graphical improvements
Had extremely challenging raid bosses (MoP had a few hard fights, but they varied massively in difficulty)
And gave us the reagent bank
All I can think of.
>>332921563
>>332921659
I swear to god they had two different teams doing the stat squish and Warlords itemization
>stats stay on a pretty even growth until 90
>the starting items you get during the Draenor intro quests more than double your stats
what the FUCK
>>332921659
>tfw you were hopeful they going to avoid pic related but they just ended up pushing it back one expansion
>>332911006
Only the new models, but it's still ugly when they are paired with animations and spell effects that would look ugly on a nintendo 64. The new models only make sense in legion where we actually have neat animations and effects.
>>332921779
It's even worse in Legion. You start getting ilvl 780 gear at 101.
>>332917558
Alliance have go into a tiny hole and to turn two corners to get to their table while Horde get to zoom right in like a drunk retard and slap that shit, then shamble on out and go about their business.
Like yeah you have us trumped in beauty, but the Horde unquestionably has the utility advantage (our prof. huts also are clustered near the town hall).
>>332917835
>WRA Horde
lol
>>332921754
mok morokk? is that the same guy who used to run a shitty little camp in dustwallow marsh? whats going on?
>>332911425
>go quest
>kill everything in a few hits
>characters yell about how powerful this guy is and how they're overwelmed
>continue to 1 shot everyone that comes past
Honestly feel like i'm being patronized through the questing experience. I can understand how saitama feels
>>332921502
I have appreciation for exploration. Yet, the exploration in WoW one has to do for leveling is not well designed or smart.
>>332921810
its like fucking DBZ power levels, once they get to a certain level it just got out of hand
>>332921779
The scaling jumps even before WoD items, just compare each expansion's highest DPS 2h weapons for example and it's quite even until Wrath and then explodes from Cata through WoD
SEE YOUR WORLD THROUGH MY EYES
>>332921916
>Playing on MG Horde or WrA Alliance
>>332922040
It's because Cata is where they really ramped up the number of difficulties, and that got worse in MoP.
>Vanilla and BC: 1 difficulty
>Wrath: 2 difficulties
>Cata: 3 difficulties
>MoP: 4 difficulties
>WoD: 4 difficulties and 5mans having the potential to drop ilvl 730 gear
>>332917934
Move BC to good tier and this list is objectively right.
>>332921712
Imagine going back in time to Vanilla and tell people people are now selling rare mounts for 700k gold
>>332922181
>Vanilla and BC
One difficulty that mattered
>Wrath
One difficulty that mattered
>Cata
One difficulty that mattered
>WoD
One difficulty that mattered and 5mans dropping really shitty gear with low stats for its ilevel
What's the problem?
>>332922306
Stat power creep, that's what
>>332922306
Are you retarded? We're discussing item level inflation. 4 difficulties dropping progressively better loot means item levels need to increase four times as much for any given tier.
Reading Comprehension.
People still play WoW? That game hasn't been good since they started catering to normalfags with those celebrity TV ads and making everything accessible.
>>332922089
Alliance on MG/WrA is pretty even, but WrA Horde is fucking cancer. I'm sorry what little good you found there was enough to induce Stockhom Syndrome.
>>332921659
>dev team will never stick to their guns about a stat squish
All I really want is to once again be able to outplay some level capped retard who likes to bully lowbies. Two of my favorite WoW memories are ganging up in Desolace to murder a level 60 and kiting a S2 warrior across Nagrand as a 68 huntard.
>>332922004
Making gear stats improve exponentially instead of more flatly is dumb.
I think it would also help a lot if they just made the max level 5 man gear for a new expansion equal in strength to the last raid of the previous expansion instead of massively more powerful. Seriously no one that raids gives a fuck about gear progression while leveling and the casuals would still feel like theyre getting more powerful.
I guess I'm one of the few autistic people that liked the old world. Think it was mostly because Kosak hadn't touch it with zany 9gag humour.
>>332911006
WoD made people realize how bad of a skinner box WoW actually is which is a good thing.
>>332911006
No matter what they did right, it doesn't help with the fact that they run the gameplay to the ground. Combat is shit, talents are shit, exploration is shit, professions are shit, auction house is shit, everything is automated crap. For example they can give you the best raids ever, but that won't change the fact that the combat will be boring and you're gonna be teaming up with a bunch of strangers that won't even talk during it and leave as soon as it's over. That's why i have no hope for Legion no matter how many cool shit that winks at the main playerbase they put. The game is beyond saving, the only way would be to backpedal on most of the things they introduced since Wotlk.
>>332911006
Second best set of raids after MoP, Mythic Raiding is the best its ever been, first time leveling experience was good. Funniest (and thus best) cinematic in Warcraft history, right up there with DURR SUMTIMEZ DA HAND OF FATE MUST BE FORCED.
>>332922476
>Alliance on WrA is good
Is WoW even still alive in North America? Last I checked the gold token prices tanked hard there and there are more EU/Chink players than NA now.
>get into WoD after stopping for more than a year
>have to grind up that legendary ring
>have to grind up that garrison
>people want 710ilevel geared people to run dungeons that drop 685 items
>after some time finally get into a normal raid
>get a new weapon and a trinket, DPS nearly doubles
>>332918003
>>332918056
LFD would have been great if your friends and ignore lists where cross-server. I had some great times forming with people I had never met and ended up never seeing again. One person transferred servers to join us on Illidan, though.
>>332922780
Friend list is cross server. Hell it's even cross game.
>>332918582
Back in the day, all of the night elves seemed to be some variation of Drizzt.
>>332922702
On some NA realms it's actually cheaper to buy gold from gold spammers and then using that gold to buy gametime than just paying Blizzard $15
>>332922780
>right click on someone while you're still in a group with them
>Add them to Battle.net
wow
>>332920929
Making gold has never been easier now. You can make at least 100k a month with just one character.
>tfw legion wont save wow
Fuck man i just want one more good xpac, just one more
Please blizzard
>>332919152
The fact that he's implying that going to the dungeon is never a necessity.
>>332922838
>>332922932
Everyone left the game long before that functionality came about.
And now there are no talent points, so there's no reason to go back and check it out.
>>332923102
>Now there's no talent points
Oh wow I just got a talent point to put into a talent that gives me 1% more Expertise!
>>332923016
Seek help for your addiction
>>332923186
Bro i havent played wow since the first patch of mop
>>332922907
>some NA realms
It's the same region wide, IIRC.
>tfw you were selling 40k for $15 to guildies because it used to be "pay for a month and have ~5-10k left over" and now the token is hovering above 40k
IDK who is to blame for this bump, but it's pissing me off. WoW paypal funny munny is how I buy stupid shit without feeling like I should be using it for important stuff.
>>332915881
source pls. google pulled up nothing.
All my WoW friends abandoned the game and moved onto FFXIV or Dota/LoL. WoW just isn't good anymore, it's way past its prime. Private servers don't capture the same magic either.
>>332923302
>google pulled up nothing
because it's cropped
>>332923165
Gad damn they gutted a good thing for "balance".
Fuck balance, flavour of the month and number crunching is what this shit is supposed to be all about.
>>332923298
>and now the token is hovering above 40k
It's not even that bad, 86k in europe at the moment
>>332923305
MOBAs are pretty much what killed my raid and I still the entire genre for it. They're all the faggots I used to play a whole ton of games with want to play.
Just adding my 2 cents
>Great Tier
TBC
>Good Tier
Cata pre-nerf, WOTLK, MOP, Vanilla
>Bad Tier
Cata post-nerf
>Just Fuck My Shit Up Tier
Draenor
>>332923369
>>332923380
>Number crunching is what this shit is supposed to be about
>A game is supposed to be about doing math
>>332923305
>FFXIV
It was only 'okay' before the expansion
Now it's pure shit and even worse than WoD
>>332923425
>still the
still hate the
>>332923380
I miss gimmick specs (restokin, blackout disc, etc). They weren't viable in any serious content, but they were too much fun to BG with.
>>332923298
Gold prices from RMT fluctuates server to server. On some servers gold is extremely cheap and you're better off buying that and using it to buy gametime and have some gold leftover to spend it on whatever you want.
>>332923380
>Fuck balance, flavour of the month and number crunching is what this shit is supposed to be all about.
There's more of that now with the current talent system while allowing you some flexibility you stupid shitter why the fuck do you feel the need to post when you don't even play the goddamn game you're the reason /v/ is complete shit these days
>>332923468
I predict legion will be in bad tier at best and brendan fraiser tier at worst
>>332923508
I played HW and WoD and you're wrong.
Game is still shit but not WoD tier yet where you get one major patch every 12 months and your subs dropped over 50% within a year.>>332923514
>>332914570
>I don't get why people liked Thousand Needles. One of the worst zones in the game, before and after Cataclysm.
Well it was unique in its setup. So some people will always love it.
>>332923514
I remember my fucked up druid spec, stuns and hots mixed with liberal post humping.
>>332923506
Scrub.
>>332923531
If they've restored the trees to something that allows variety I am going to check it out again.
Also, /v has been complete shit since forever. Discussing the past of a game is better than goobergate, now isn't it?
>>332923657
FFXIV is still garbage for relying on a subscription model
Even TES:O is smart enough to realize you should only have to pay for the game once upfront and for whatever add-ons come out
>>332916887
I missed the Valley of Blossoms and only got word that MoP was actually good after Garrosh turned it into Metzen land. I was so excited to see that zone too.
>>332923660
The centaurs and Highperch wyverns were good for leveling, especially if you had skinning for the wyverns. I liked all the more desolate zones anyway, their atmosphere was cool.
>>332911006
Questing is better. Raids are actually quite interesting. Monnoroth fight is fucking amazing. The voice acting work is spectacular on him. First time I seen and hear Ragnaros in vanilla I was like woa that's cool. But that doesn't have shit on Monny. They completely changed the way we play healers.
>>332923657
yeah, instead you get one patch with 20 minutes of content every four months
and one massively overtuned raid with a whopping four bosses every eight.
with actually fun and well-tuned bosses like Fiend EX coming out maybe one every two patches.
the only thing HW has going for it is that it's still putting out content at all, while WoW is just sitting between expansions, with WoD being 'done' and Legion still brewing.
>>332923531
>while allowing you some flexibility
How does it allow any flexibility? It's exactly the same system before but with no illusion of choice.
No matter what, there's still going to be one talent that's better than the rest.
>>332923847
I really hate the linear shit they do for questing nowadays, but I guess I'm not in their modern target audience anyway
>>332923743
TES:O model is the exact reason why the game has no content right now.
>>332923870
Now you're just over-exaggerating.
>>332923102
The talent trees were worthless before. Everyone just used the same FOTM builds. You had all these talents in different trees where 90% of them were unused because they weren't even viable if you wanted to be competitive in PvP or if you were a part of progression raiding there were certain talents you HAD to take.
>>332923847
>Questing is better.
Haha no it isn't, it's now an on-rails interactive cinematic.
>>332922306
Two things are the problem. In Vanilla and TBC it was never just go to new raid get items that outmode your old ones all the time.
There were sidegrades everywhere that were useful for certain situations.
Now there is one item that you want out of one raid that you have a possible 2-3 times per week to get.
So in addition to having less content to do, because you can only do the one raid that matters, you have to do it more than once which makes it stale faster.
Trinkets are also far far too game changing and good ones are far too limiting.
Orc clan RP is/was really tending during WOD. So that was nice. It will be back to being the Faux Horde was Legion launches
>>332924035
>Everyone just used the same FOTM builds.
And they still do.
You've been fooled by Blizzard once again.
>>332923923
Well questing in Legion is everything but linear. So the linearity is going away. The zones in Legion scale with your level so you just go quest where ever the fuck you feel like playing at. I expect to see a revamp of the world again and I expect to see this new system adapted in the vanilla world too.
>>332923531
I just checked it out, no variety of any significance. I didn't think so, Blizz doesn't have to go ape shit with their nerfs and buffs if the players aren't allowed to make choices.
>>332923876
You like the taste of shit, but not rich, earthy shit with nuts and stuff. You like the taste of four year old, dessicated shit that's mostly dog hair from sitting in the park so long.
>>332924008
>theorizes that a subscription model leaves players satisfied knowing there'll be a steady stream of content
>>332924069
Go back and quest in the vanilla zones and then tell me it's worse. At least the cutscenes kind of keep you interested and there's actually a story arc.
Can't say the same about the vanilla world. Fuck was the questing HORRIBLE before. It's so horrible that even after the Cata redesign that people still don't even bother with questing in the world. Just dungeon finder your way until you hit WoD zones.
>>332913117
Stay mad aspie
>>332918446
This nigga gets it
>>332924171
>The zones in Legion scale with your level so you just go quest where ever the fuck you feel like playing at.
That doesn't mean it won't be linear, zone quests can still be in one long chain just like now
>>332924246
>You like the taste of shit, but not rich, earthy shit with nuts and stuff. You like the taste of four year old, dessicated shit that's mostly dog hair from sitting in the park so long.
Yeah, but you're a Blizzard fan.
>>332923876
>>332924246
>Before
40 points for required throughput talents
Can choose 5% more auto attack crit chance as a caster or 5% more chance to block an attack but you cant block as a caster
>Now
Can choose to move my totems to a location greatly increasing their flexibility
refreshing cooldown on totems to use them more often
May also choose to drop two totems of the same elements which allows for many possible benefits
But the old system was totally better Im sure you casual shitters totally know what youre talking about
>>332924163
Actually if you go look at builds at ivy veins you'll see in most classes there are typically at least 2 viable choices in each tier.
I don't think you actually play the game.
>>332914421
5 man heroics were tuned perfectly at the start of the expansion.
>>332924354
>icy veins
And if you actually play the game you would find that all 3 talents are viable in different cases.
>>332924247
Oh yeah, as people paying for WoW wait a year+ for content.
>>332924334
Flip those two quotes, I fucked up.
>>332924312
You... don't understand how it works.
>>332924281
>Go back and quest in the vanilla zones and then tell me it's worse.
It's worse.
> At least the cutscenes kind of keep you interested and there's actually a story arc.
They're not interesting at all, they're written for the kind of children who couldn't finish a Dr. Seuss book. It completely ruins the immersion.
>>332924428
If you are >>332924163 you just contradicted yourself.
Raids were good
Questing was good The Bonus Objectives as a good idea
The Way you have to get Flying was really good idea and the fact you only get flying at the end of Expansion
Model Updates
Mythic Dungeons for Players who are too Beta and Autist to raid but still want high ilvl gear
That's it. Timewalking would be more fun if they tune up the mobs HP a bit more
>>332924428
>And if you actually play the game you would find that all 3 talents are viable in different cases.
hehehehe
hoohoohoo
hahahahaha
>>332923543
I have high expectations but not going to get hyped about it. WoD was a great example of how Blizz can cuck their players. But at least, I like most of the things they're implementing.
>>332914421
>Old world redesign
>Firelands
>Hard heroics
>Goblins (should have been neutral though)
>>332924501
kek... GTFO with that shit dude. +(You) haven't actually played the game recently. You just made that very clear.
Go back to your hentai porn and pleasing your senpai.
>>332923165
The 1% improvement on a level did matter when leveling was actually hard, i'm playing nostalrius nowadays and even grey items from vendors and the meager boost from leveling and talents matters if you don't want to pick one mob at the time and run everytime you pull more than one mob. Now leveling is shit and talents are useless so might as well unlock them all when you reach the cap. It wasn't about choice because both systems only give you the illusion of choice(with the exceptions of niche builds to use in specific situations on the old talent tree) but more about working for something and actually benefitting from it. The feeling of progression is totally lost on wow and for me it's the main reason why everyone is abandoning the ship.
>>332911006
Killed this shitty game
>>332924519
I'm not.
Though bad players will just copy a build from icyveins without thinking about what the talents do.
>>332924439
Then explain. If I can go to a zone and pick up a bunch of quests from different hubss without first having to progress through a shitty chain then it's all right.
Continued support for Bralwer's Guild
>>332918364
What if I was a horny teenager that went for Gnomes?
>>332916758
That is the ironic part. When it stopped being about Pandaria and started beoming WoD pre-patches, it went to shit.
5.3 was awful
5.4 was ok at best, timeless isle was the best part and they shelved the best parts of it in WoD
>>332924553
Which one of these are bad?
>>332924609
Bad players will always be bad. But there's nothing wrong with going and looking at guides to see better explanations on what the talents do.
I actually switch my spec out every few levels in raids and dungeons because one talent may be better for this fight, while another may be better for the next boss.
Something you didn't do with the old system. There was one FOTM and you stuck with it and you never changed it unless you wanted to be removed from the core raiding group.
>>332924348
Not the guy you are replying to but yes. Whenever totems were their own unique mechanic instead of just another cool down- they were better. I'm not sure why you are supporting class homogenization. Don't know if you're playing devils advocate, being edgy or are just plain uneducated. But stop
>>332918125
>Humans
Boring
>Gnomes
memes
>Draenei
Even blizz admits they dont fit the setting
>Worgen
awesome
>Dwarves
awesome
>Night Elves
One of the worst player bases ever
