Salt and Sanctuary or Hyper Light Drifter? I think both have questionable artstyles but which has the better gameplay?
S&S by far
>>332663972
>make a vidya thread
>instantly forgotten
Fuck you /v/, fuck you
S&S sucks, dog. Just get DS3 if you care about that style of game, or play a better Castlevania game.
>>332663972
see >>332665829
S&S is 9/10, HLD is 6.5/10 imho. Also S&S is cheaper and still offers about 10 times more content plus replayability. Also slightly better art style, better controls, much better rpg elements and the story is also better. You would have to be a total pleb to prefer HLD which is just a cheap transistor rip off. Also just pirate HLD, kek.
>>332665965
Why not all of them? I love souls and castlevania and this game was a fucking gem. Almost dismissed it too because of art style. It's in my goddamn top ten games.
>>332665829
That is one comfy looking room. Have my envy
>>332666452
My house is made of IKEA.
Thank you Sweden.
>>332666960
Swedish design best design
Hopefully the mudslimes won't ruin that
>>332667981
Nah, us Dutchies took over IKEA already.
>>332666058I'm pirating both :^)
>>332668134
Please support the devs if you like em anon
>>332663972
One looks like a shitty stick figure dark souls.
The other is pixel shit, but at least it looks visually appealing.
I'd pick HLD because the other game looks fucking disgusting and that's a big factor for me.
>>332668572
Try it before judging. Actually warmed up to the art. It's comfy and nice.
S&S is ok but most it's appeal/sales came from people who were thirsting for another Souls game and didnt want to wait until DS3.
It feels like a flash game.
>>332663972
S&S has worst hitboxes and level design than dark souls 2
Played both, like S&S more but HLD is still a good game
>>332669645
Really? I actually love the level design with its many secrets and the world is connected everywhere. It's better than some castlevania games and I actually think that Bloodstained should take some pointers from this game.
There's actually people talking about this ugly ass flash game?
I don't believe it even if it has been shilled like crazy here
>>332665829
What projector?
>>332670120
Optoma TH1060P. Had a 141X before but changed it to a 4000 lumen one so I could still see something in full daylight.
>>332669645
I agree with the hitboxes being bad sometimes, but I'm okay with the level design for the most part. It could use a map, though, because some areas are confusing
>>332669975
nah its trash. There's so many areas where you get trapped and are forced to take a ridiculously long detour to get back to your sanctuary. This means it's impossible to farm and eventually you hit a wall because your so far from a blacksmith and your severely underleveled
>>332670049
It's not beautiful or anything but it fits the dirtiness of souls games. And I prefer to pixelart, that's so overdone
>>332670447
That never happened to me, but I kind of planned out when and where I would place certain idols.
>>332670049
its basically rayman legends: dark souls edition
>>332670049
>dont believe it especially because its been shilled like crazy
these devs are desperate for attention and shouldve just made it free if they wanted show off their terrible terrible skills
>>332670594
I got as far as the storm tower or whatever and that level basically was 10 times harder than the previous ones. and the dragon was taking no damage from my ascended weapon and magic
Pic related is the dev of Hyper Light Drifter.
This should help you come to a decision
>>332670885
Got that boss first try, his attacks are very simple to avoid entirely. I think I was lvl 38 when I beat him, probably over leveled. Used a kureimoa +4.
>>332671054
Played it for 3 hours. Haven't seen any feminist agenda being push yet in the game.
>>332671126
Well god for you I guess. I'm never playing that shit again
>>332671054
Oh shid fuggen drobbd :DDDD fug XDD
>>332671431
Level a bit and try again? That place actually made me salty as hell before I reached the boss, and I'm currently salty as fuck over another area. Isn't that part of what these games are about?
S&S is fun imo m9
Get S&S it's been a good time killer while waiting for DS3
>>332671779
Yea but in dark souls its way fucking better. This game was programmed by one person and his gf so you think that's a reliable development process?
>>332671779
I got stuck on the witch of the woods in new game+ for like 4 hours it was ball-busting
>>332672458
Not really no, but I think the game is surprisingly well made for what it seems to be at first glance.
why is there no salt and sanctuary torrent yet?
>>332672830
It's not out on pc yet I believe.
>>332671054
Dropped
>>332672828
This. The art style is amateurish at worst but the game-play is solid and there is simply a ton of content packed into the game.
I actually like the backgrounds and Boss designs of S&S.
However, the player characters/small humanoid enemies look awful. They seriously look like something a 13 year old doodled in their mathbook.
That being said, it's fun enough and its holding me off 'til DaS3 so I'm grateful for it.
>>332671054
That's mostly nonsensical.
Bottom left one seems reasonable though.
>>332672642
those homing magic orbs are fucking brutal, especially because she's usually attacking again by the time they go off
>>332673023
Exactly. Also the style only gets so much shit because it's similar to low tier flash stuff, so it has that connection. Apart from the use of that style in shitty free games it's not that bad. I'm actually making a game myself with a similar style, although it'll be higher fidelity and uses better models for humans. Concept art related, still ugly as hell but remember it's concept.
>>332673358
It's kind of a bad and a good thing that they release it so soon to DS3. Makes for a good waiting game but hard to be its own thing now.
>>332673636
I know it's just a concept but I wouldn't go for the 'currency count on a plank hanging from ropes' in the top right there.
It'd end up being a bit intrusive after a while.
>>332674113
Yeah was just testing some stuff out. That hp meter is also too cliché. Currency will probably just be a counter onscreen and if weapons can't be changed on the fly those boxes will go too.
Out of all the Souls inspired stuff I think I'm looking forward to Eitr most.
Also, that procedurally generated one where you play as the little dudes in the samurai hats.
>>332669645
>Actual interconnected world full of shortcuts
>Possibly one of the more competent metroidvanias in the last years
>worse than DS2
DS2babbies rush to make their game seem better.
>it looks like a flash game xD
but isn't it a similar style of animation to Muramasa and Rayman Legends? I'll take it over pixelshit anyday.
Besides, I like the visual and sound effects for the attacks. Giant weapons feel meaty, spells and miracles look cool. The WoG-esque miracle is probably one of my favorites.
>>332675781
If done well the style is extremely charming. Vanillaware is godlike at it.
I bought s&s because /v/ told me too.
I wont be trusting them again. Its a 5 dollar game at the most and extremely easy.
>>332670447
Sounds like you just fucking suck at the game. Have 80 hours on it with 6 different characters and never had those problems.
>>332676661
>>332670447
>Its too easy
>Its too hard
Well which one is it you faggots?
>>332676996
Neither, it's just like Souls. Hard in the beginning, easy if you level a lot, easy after becoming experienced.
>>332671054
Thanks I just refunded the game.
>>332673554
IF there was a reason for putting out that statement in the first place.
>Salt and Sanctuary
>Starts out as a complete copy of Dark Souls combat
>By the final boss fight, you're dodging bullet-hell projectiles by walljumping and air-dashing like Mega Man X
It's a hell of a ride, and I'm really glad I bought it on impulse.
>>332677091
Its super easy in the beginning....i beat the first boss second try and the 2nd boss first try
>>332677876
I went through the same process.
>looks okay, kind of a ripoff though
>these brands are pretty nice
>Holy fuck this is AAA stuff
>in top ten games now
>>332663972
Spent the past 5 hours playing hyper light drifter, and I gotta say that it's pretty damn fun.
Even though the graphics can make it look unappealing at first glance, it's got really solid gameplay and doesn't have the usual indie sjw quirks.
>>332663972
S&S looks ass but I've put hours into it and I've had fun the entire time.
HLD I haven't played but it looks gorgeous and the only reason people say it doesn't is 'lol indie pixelshit why don;t you dye your hair and fight gamergate while your at it"
>>332675781
>>332676550
A lot of people claim Vanillaware's animation is only tweening (moving individual parts without actually redrawing anything), but there's a good ammount of unique frames. Salt and Sanctuary's animations are pure tweening, though, and that, together with the black outlines everywhere, make it look a lot like a flash game. The backgrounds usually look pretty good, though. A shame that they couldn't use a different art style, the human characters looking so silly clashes a lot with the atmosphere they were going for. All that said, it's still a good metroidvania, even if the art is mostly shit.
HLD's pixel art is mostly average, the bigger things look good and the non-pixel art effects don't clash too badly with the style since they already use very saturated colors in the first place. It looks pretty consistent, and the frame by frame redrawing for animation certainly takes more effort than tweening. No opinion on the game itself since I haven't played the full release.
>>332677980
Yeah that guy hasn't played it. The beginning of salt is easy as FUCK. Doesn't get hard until later.
>>332670049
No people are playing and discussing a game you refuse to because of the 'obvious paid shilling'
The game looks stupid but it's a fun castlevania/souls combo.
>>332678821
Sodden Knight and The Mad Alchemist took me quite a few tries my first time, so there is a bit of an adjustment period. The former is pretty easy once you get his attack pattern down, and the latter is just a DPS race, though.
>>332678920
People who use the word shill dont even deserve to be argued against
>>332671054
>>332671227
>>332671737
>>332672995
>>332673554
thats actually the lead programmer but whatever
>>332677876
So much this. IMO the game is a bit disappointing because the ideas that make the game fun - walljumping, the motherfucking airdash, gravity inversion, the smoke platforms - especially the movement based ones, are woefully underused until the final areas and even then aren't used to their potential. If the game trusted more in its own identity instead of the painted on souls pandering it maintains for so long, It could definitely have been something.
(Also fuck the game for keeping mobility options sectioned off as map-upgrades to collect again in ng+. I don't give a shit how sequence breaking they would be, combat would be funner from the get go with options. Also, the game would be better all around if it went with the DS2 approach of changing up enemy placement for ng+, giving you encounters that incorporated your new movement palette.)
>>332679469
This, you can already sequence break a bit anyway by abusing the short sword hard hit jump which launches you forward.
>>332670885
Huh, that is like a 20ish level area.
When the fuck is S&S coming to PC?
Sure it looks better, but I'm not setting up a PS4 for one fucking game.
>>332679401
Okay?
>>332679692
You can sequence break harder in co op mode with the pause and teleport shenanigans.
>>332679771
Less than 2 months, I think
>Dark Souls 3 is a couple weeks away
>can't wait, so I get meme'd into buying some indie knock off trash
ENOUGH
If they make a sequel I want a complete art style overhaul. The game just looks ugly as shit to me and I finished it multiple times. Still cant get used to it. And second it would be nice if it introduced more unique things to be its own thing. This one took too much from Dark Souls to the point sometimes it feels like a cheap knock off instead of a cool little game that was inspired from it. Even the endings play out the same.
>>332670049
STOP TALK ABOUT VIDEO GAMES TALK ABOUT OVERSHILL AND THEIR SHITTY MARKETING ASS OR THAT NINTENDO WHORE REEEEE
S&S' NG+ is such fucking bullshit.
>annoying mobs that could be usually dispatched in one hit take 3-4
>angsty skeleton
>emberskull
>retchfeeder
![face_1888684c[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mcvlHWT.jpg "face_1888684c[1].jpg")
>Dark Souls will never have a covenant system as good as the one in the budget indie knock-off made by two people
Renewable elemental buff and stamina regen items feel fucking amazing. I kinda wish that there were more occupied sanctuaries and less Crystal Spheres to force you to go Full Jihad more often, though.
IS THERE MULTIPLAYER?
>>332663972
The one with 60 fps wins.
>>332680781
Yes.
>>332680765
I really really like how the covenants worked in this game. I hope From takes notes for the future.
>Join Darkwraiths
>The only way to level up the covenant is by going around the world killing all other covenants and take over their shrines.
It felt good.
>>332671054
DROPPED
wth, not allowed to even hit on women? suck it, fucking beta
>>332680759
>Those slimes in the Watching Woods take like four hits from my fully-upgraded Jaws of Death
>>332680781
Couch co-op is available through an NPC you can activate with a Stone Sellsword item, which is available as a starting gift on character creation. The NPC also sells items that let you PVP with one another. You can't do any of it online.
>>332680759
just use magic m8 ng4 here just spam that fire spell and kill everything
>>332681097
when is s&s coming out for pc? i want tobuy__it.
>>332665829
>Fellow Mountainsmith
*tips fedora*
Iron Ones and House of Splendor are the only worthwhile religions.
>>332681259
"Less than two months" is the only real time frame we have. Bit of a shame if you ask me, since Dark Souls 3 will be out by then, which will probably cause this game to get overlooked until sale season.
>>332681097
>just use magic m8
>implying every build can use magic
>>332681319
>House of Splendor
>he joined the Dicaprio covenant
Anyone found the cat merchant yet?
>>332681475
Stock up on a shitload of elemental buff items. They're cheap as hell by NG+ and you won't have any other use for the gold at that point anyway.
>>332681475
>not playing as Pauper or Chef
cuck
HDL is SJW and has shit controls, S&S isn't on PC. Fuck this gay earth.
Is it better than Dark Souls 2?
>>332681725
>playing a caster because you're not good at the game
Cuck
>>332682180
I did 2h build till ng2 but fuck me I don't fight that fucking lake witch at ng2 with 2h.
>>332682047
Yes.
>>332682180
Mage is fucking terrible for the first third of the game. Unless you twink yourself out by starting as a Knight and getting the Black Widow early on, you've gotta get really good at being gimped until you start getting the Class 3 spells, then you start becoming a destroyer of worlds.
>>332682658
>The Dragon breath spell can 1 shot any boss in 3 seconds top
This is getting nerfed isnt it? This cant be right.
>>332682047
Yes.
>>332671054
>tumblr nose
>pink hair on a MAN
>fat positive tumblrina leigh alexander expy
>hipster had and beard alex prest-
>PRESTON
>>332682047
Yes.
>>332683409
Always the same, the more I hear about people who make media, the more I hate the stuff. Ignorance is bliss.
>>332681745
>has shit controls
Elaborate.
>>332683948
For around 4 months now I've turned a blind eye to most news and only go on /v/ for no more than half an hour a day.
Feels like a huge weight off your shoulders.
