https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HObVOOG3bFc
Is this harder than EU4?
Tying your shoe laces is harder than EU4 but somehow I doubt HoI4 will manage even that.
Just play HoI2 or 3.
>>332559641
EU4 was my first grand strategy, and the learning curve was high.
>>332560741
EU4 was pretty easy to learn, but was hard it master imo
>>332560741
I'd suggest you move on to HoI 3 or Vicky 2. HoI 4 will almost certainly be shithouse as Jewhan takes streamlining and inclusiveness to a whole new level.
>>332559145
Haven't played it so can't say. It looks pretty casualized but then so was EU4 to an extent so it'll probably be more difficult to grasp since HOI3 is like that.
It looks so bad compared to HoI3. I mean visually only. I have no interest in it beyond that. But holy fuck how can you make so many bad decisions in visual design?
>>332562223
EU was always babby's first grand strategy. Some mechanics like mana may be retarded but on the whole the game is no more or less casual than its predecessor.
It looks like a game for people who have never played hearts of iron before
>>332560741
Hoi3 has awful accessiblity and a literal mountain of micromanaging, if you really care about strategt and tactics you can get past that by spending tons of time learning how everything works and eventually leave large amounts of unimportant tasks to the AI (such as advancing a long infantry front) while commaniding armored forces yourself you'll have tons of fun.
Hoi2 or Darkest Hour are both funner games with more replayability and a modding community which is still very much alive.
I'd recommend Darkest Hour over Hoi3 any day, it's my favourite game of all time, still play it regularly years after release.
It's also relatively speaking much easier to get into than hoi3 and has a much greater scope (ie diplomacy and everything except the actual combat of ww2)
>>332563063
Nah it's a bit more casual than 3 though the expansions have helped in deepening it from where it started and balancing some things.
Anyway my point was the new HoI will probably be casualized to the same extent.
>>332563832
Ok, downloading darkest hour.
has anyone here ever done a mega campaign from CK2 to HoI? it sounds fun
>>332559145
>Paradox games
>hard
>>332566437
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
>>332566826
They're entry-level strategy games. This isn't big news. No more difficult than learning entry-level shooters/RPGs/fighting games/etc.
>Doesn't know what the word 'cede' means
Haha wow
>>332567158
keep on demonstrating what that effect
>>332562979
they want to attract the Civ fanbase
>>332567675
Demonstrating what? You've posted a link. It's hardly convincing. Do you have an argument to make that Paradox games are actually hard? Some sort of presentation of your case? Maybe some salient talking points? No?
>>332563832
Kaiserreich is such a fun mod for DH. So much replayability.
>>332568267
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZujhoHZBsg
Kaiserreich is so fun actually
Did a mongolia game with mechanized Cavalry fucking over all of asia, lots of fun.
Also one as arabia with cavalry in deserts, they are so good in deserts i tell you.
>>332567675
Eh, he's right. In grand strategy / wargaming Paradox games are entry level. Compare HoI3 to ..any wargame covering WW2.
>>332568893
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Campaign_for_North_Africa
Like this?
>>332568893
Doesn't matter if they are entry level. They are hard to get into for newcomers, and people who already have consider them easy. You can't pick up and play a GS game and immediately know what you're doing like you can most other games.
>>332566047
It sounds dumb as fuck because by the time you finish CK2 you'd be so strong that EU4 would be trivial and you wouldn't even have to worry about the infamy limit in Vic2 because you'd already control most of the world.
>>332559145
HoI3 was significantly harder than Eu4 (to be fair, everything is harder than EU4). This is casualized facebook shit for plebs.
>>332569062
lel, yeah to take an extreme example
or war in the east for a pc game with an excruciating amount of detail
>>332569392
anyone with experience with strategy games pretty much can though, you wont be a 10/10 player day 1 but the systems arent that convoluted
>>332569062
Only 390USD on eBay.
>>332569392
I think that's mostly perception. These games are *not* hard to pick up and play. If you take time to let the game teach you, it has contextual menus and explanations of how everything works. You can get a functional knowledge of how to play a Paradox or AGEOD title in about 20 minutes of gameplay. Is there more you could delve into like the granular aspects of land warfare? Absolutely, but it's not necessary.
>>332566047
Literally what >>332569414 said. Only way to do sort of grand campaign would be to start in the 1337 start date for Ck2 and play till the end, import that into EU4, then go through all of EU4 as AI, play Vicky 2 with the goal of balance of power in the world (using console if necessary) and then fight it out in HoI3.
Otherwise it's retarded. You can be moronically strong by the end of Ck2 and it's extremely extremely easy to snowball in Eu4.
>>332569715
Also sounds like such a shit game
>dedicated logistics player necessary
I thought WitE was too much for me desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGyPNpZsOcU
>>332570139
One of the Decisive Campaigns games might be a better option if you want hexshit but don't want to put up with WitE.
>>332570258
I'll give it a shot, have a WW2 general itch that HoI3 couldn't scratch.
>>332570458
>HoI3 couldn't scratch.
HoI2 is better than HoI3 in everything besides warfare. And Darkest Hour mod lets you play WW1 or Cold War and Kaiserreich mod lets you play alt history where Germany won WW1.
>>332566826
literally this thread
>>332559145
>Is this harder than EU4?
What the fuck am I reading
What kind of question is this
>>332569392
>Hard to get into for newcomers
Anon, you can just play the EU3/4 tutorial and you'll learn most of what you need to know to fumble through a starter country
After your first England/Portugual playthrough you'll have learned practically everything these is to the game.
From that point you can pick nearly any country, manage your mana, and make disgusting blobs
>>332566826
>>332567675
This seems to be about overestimating yourself. Saying that the game is easy is the opposite.
Still can't get over how fucking atrocious the map is
Paradox is mad that no one uses the territory mapmode so they force it on us
not to mention that they're basically telling the fans of HOI 2 and 3 to fuck off
>>332571014
Every single Paradox tutorial is fucking useless
>>332559145
I think what annoys me the most about this is that he doesn't have a clue about history, world war 2 or even the fucking English language. He seriously didn't know what fucking "cede" means? Holy shit. Not to mention not having a first clue about "Danzig or War" or what even fucking Rhineland is.
Where's Stellaris you sweden cucks?
>>332571571
May 9th 2016
>>332571319
>Still can't get over how fucking atrocious the map is
I don't think the problem is that the map is ugly per se, it's a pretty map with lots of detail and color and animations and everything. However the reason map fails completely is because it is an absolutely atrocious WORLD WAR TWO map specifically. Map as a map is pretty but as a world war two map it's just... what the fuck.
The map would work 100% perfectly as EU5 map, for example. But it just looks so so so fucking bad as a world war two map that it does harm the experience.
>resources in HoI4 are going to disappear if you don't use them (no more war time stockpile)
>>332571885
I was more thinking about the fact that they merged political and territorial maps into one, which is what looks so awful
They always put a ton of effort into territorial map modes for no fucking reason because no one actually uses it, so now they're forcing it on us
>3D maps
Why is this always the only fucking option in new Paradox games?
>>332572142
WHAT
>>332559145
why do they keep showing shit in europe
hoi3 had some serious fuckups with regards to the asia pacific theater, especially with supply issues
did they even fix/address that
>>332572152
Tbh I honestly don't mind that part since I try to use territorial map mode as often as possible before it starts interfering with gameplay. But the thing is that in every game besides Vicky 2 (and Vicky also has merged territorial/political modes) the political map mode is so fucking ugly that I can't stand looking at it especially if it's zoomed in but you can't really play in territorial map mode. So I think that's a pretty good move on their part.
>>332572507
>hoi3 had some serious fuckups with regards to the asia pacific theater, especially with supply issues
Explain further
This game is going to bomb badly with HoI3 fans.
>>332572507
Paradox doesn't have the slightest idea of how to model Naval anything
It wouldn't surprise me if they had straits from kyushu, ryuuku, guam, wake, and so on
>>332572713
due to garbage infra in east asia sans japan you are ecnouraged to make supply 'corridors' which i guess approximates railroads, like that string of yellow-green infrastructure stretching across red if you look at russia representing the trans-siberian railroad
thing is, the way supply seems to be pushed from zone to zone to your troops is absolute shortest path instead of going through the safest or highest infrastructure areas
so a huge shunt of supply will go through maybe a handful of 6-infra provinces then try to go right through and clog a 3-infra province even though there was a goddamn 6-infrastructure province right next to it
>>332572693
>I try to use territorial map as often as possible before it starts interfering with gameplay
how's johan's cum taste?
there is literally no reason to use it, and victoria II still had the regular political map when you zoom out
>>332572825
It won't matter to Paradox. Paradrones will eat it up and the whole idea is to appeal to more people.
>>332570618
What is a fun country in DH?
I thought about playing the naval game as Canada, but it gets awfully boring after sinking all Nip ships.
>>332573321
Play Germany if you haven't
>>332572713
Not that anon, but Paradox AI is incapable of making proper amphibious invasions or handling navy AI at all
If you play as Japan you're essentially untouchable, as US/British AI are retarded and you can easily wipe out their fleets with forces as fifth of their size
>>332569062
>>332573412
Too many units to keep track of. Is there a theatre of war where I can focus on the land army game without the flood of units? May be 10-15 max units to win the area?
>>332563832
What about Arsenal of Democracy?
I've bought DH over AoD.
Black Ice or no?
>>332569062
>>332569629
>>332569715
>>332570139
>>332573481
CfNA is unfairly maligned I feel; it was a meme in gaming before such things even existed, with gamers in the 80's joking "the playtesters have almost finished!" But it is nowhere near as complex as its reputation suggests, and in fact I'd say there are many other, more modern games that are a lot worse. The biggest problem with CfNA is all that fucking paperwork, that's where the image of hyperdifficulty comes from.
>>332573679
Playing as Austria in Kaiserreich and trying to centralise might offer you something like that, as long as you don't get unlucky and have everyone peacefully agree/Germany intervene.
But managing Germany's units in DH really isn't that bad and you can pretty much focus on one front at a time.
>>332573989
So not as bad as HOI3? Do I have the variety of unit choices to work from for my brigade like HOI3? Or is it all attachments?
How is the East Asian battle in DH?
>>332559145
>paradox garbage
Fucking lol
Which DH mod anon?
If I don't want to play Kaissereich?
>>332572998
I almost laughed vociferously.
Thanks anon.
>>332574560
Fallout
>>332574560
Then play HoI3.
Seriously, all the DH mods are either terrible, or they're conversions of old HoI2:A mods that haven't been updated in a decade.New World Order 2 is the only passable one, but it really only changes the surrender and post-war events
CAN'T WAIT FOR MANA!
USE 50 DIP POINTS TO PURGE YOUR OFFICERS!
>>332574172
Managing DH is a lot less complicated than HoI3. For one, the order of battle is practically nonexistent in comparison.
In DH the lowest unit you have are divisions, which can have brigades attached to them
>>332574879
Thanks anon!
>>332574851
That is too bad. What is a fun nation to play in Kaisserich?
>>332575095Germany
>>332575095
Literally anybody you haven't played before.
>>332575095
Anything in northern China (Qing, Mongolia, the orange religious dudes)
Russia
Austria
Germany
France
Maybe Union of Britain but I've never been able to get into naval gameplay
Those are some of the ones with a lot of fun events and shit in the gameAlso Greece if you play with Pavlos mod
>>332575095
Commune of France.
>>332575214
Why does everyone want to play Germany? Is it not more fun to take a country that never had a hope in WW II and make it a major decider of regional wars?
>>332575384
muh großgermania
>>332575325
>>332575357
Thanks anons!
One thing I love about DH is blueprints. Leaching off blue prints are amazing to progress your research.
>>332575384
In vanilla DH it's a fun country with plenty of things going on to keep the gameplay going. Many other countries tend to hit a wall in terms of in-game events driving things forward and doing things manually is a pain.
Do New World Order 2 have historical events after WW II?
>>332575776
So I should get the Germany event mod to keep it interesting?
>>332575954
You don't need a mod for Germany in DH
>>332575632
I can recommened Canada as a Entente game, its pretty fun doing the naval game with marines as them and you really are the underdog.
>>332576570
Could be fun, but they have no good officers.
>>332576570
>you really are the underdog.not if you conquer and puppet the US
>>332576841
true, but you make up for it when you puppet GB and France and shit all over everyone with your mighty fleet and US industry.
>>332576861
Well yeah, and its actually pretty easy when they are occupied by all their internal stuff.
>>332577061
The naval game - is it still doom stacks wins or Heavy Cruiser and DD wins?
>>332577157
Isnt it in kaiserreich where you just go 50/50 carriers and screens? or am i thinking HoI 3? long time since i played.
still you start with a big navy.
