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>Your free LP, sir.
>Courtesy of our balancing team.
>>332557198
Stay bronze /v/
Ken is far from overpowered.
If anything the cast is really well balanced aside from Bison who is awful and maybe Birdie who deals damage but can't fucking get in on anything.
>>332558012
>Bison awful
Badly designed, or awful as a character?
>>332559208
He has no priority on anything, all his moves other than flame and scissor kick take 3 full actual seconds to come out, he's the only fucking charge character in the game, he's basically worthless.
He's about as bad in this as Dee Jay was in SFIV.
>>332558012
Bison far outnumbers every other character in the top 200 ranking positions, and a Bison placed second at Cannes Winter Clash. He's far from awful.
>>332558012
>Ken isn't OP
>Bison is bad
Bison can be good if you play correctly and apply lots of pressure and frame trap stuff. He can get into bad situations if being pressured due to no real reversals. He can be good in the hands of a skilled, aggressive player.
Guys, how do you unlock those yellow titles? Played 300 matches and got into Gold League, but nothing.
>>332559406
His up close normals have insane priority though. I don't think you know what you're talking about desu
The only character that sucks is Cammy abd Zangief
>>332557198
Nothing wrong with Ken, he's good but I feel like Ryu is stronger.
>>332559406
Bison is bad but not for the reasons you listed
>priority
No such thing unless you're talking about when two normals hit each other on the same frame then the higher strength normal wins, otherwise they trade
>charge time
All of his charge moves charge up at 40 frames. Scissors and his fireball come out in 19 frames at their slowest but still well under 3 seconds. His headstomp starts at around 45 frames but still under 3 seconds
>charge character
Fang is also a charge character
Bison is bad because of:
Bad walk speed
No 3 frame normal
No reversal other than CA
All you really have to do against him is block and wait for your turn.
Did they remove Ken's jab into tatsu option select with the last patch? That shit was ridiculous.
>>332561237
Bison's V-Trigger is ridiculous though.
>>332561237
All Bison really has is scissor kicks being safe at certain distances, and tripping people up with frame traps between scissor kicks pressure.
Any good player will easily deal with that, though.
>>332560504
>Cammy
>3 frame jab
>meterless DP
>fast walkspeed
>good neutral buttons
No you're the one that's bad.
>>332561237
Stop saying Bison is bad, he's not.
>>332561530
Cammy has no overhead attack, she's the only character in the whole cast without one.
>>332561705
>who is Bison
Anyone else think Alex is going to struggle against good footsie characters with long range pokes?
I could see Karin, Chun and Vega being a problem for him
>>332561808
Ok, I always thought the Psycho Axe was an overhead.
>>332561705
She doesn't need one
>>332561909
Alex is literally the anti-footsies grappler
The only op characters in this game are Bison and Vega.
Stop saying otherwise please, it's so blatant how these two characters require absolutely no amount of effort to win.
>>332561909
I don't know his stomps are very good, but I'll wait and see what an actual pro can do with him so I can say for sure.
>>332561909
I haven't got my hands on him yet, but it looks like he can whiff punish a whole bunch of shit at long range. He's probably the grappler who struggles least with that.
>someone rage quits
>get no points
I thought they fixed this shit or do they just lose 150 lp like sf4?
>>332562297
>Vega
>OP
wut
The only thing I hate about this game is having no way to get in when the opponent is good.
>inb4 you're a scrub
>bison can only fuck up by throwing out specials, a good player does not
>cammy is just too god damn fast
>ken only needs to hit confirm with his target combos
>karin can only use c.mp > s.mp > other shit to win, the c.mp > s.mp gives you enough time to confirm
>laura can be a bitch if you don't have command throws
Like I said, only having trouble with good players.
>>332561909
He's got great mobility, so playing long range against him will fuck you up.
>>332557198
>>332559714
>He seriously believes Ken is OP
Loving every laugh.
>>332561530
It's not enough. Cammy is free.
>>332562297
That's why Moons won FR right?
Bison right now is a scrub stomper, he might not actually be the worst character in the game but if you know what you're doing, I.e not mashing buttons on his turn then there's nothing he can do.
>>332562297
Are you fucking joking?
Even my friend who is brand new to street fighter and only understands fundamentals fucking bodies Bison in every single match I've watched him play. He's gold rank now and Bison is literally free every fucking time.
He plays Ryu btw. I suppose next you're going to tell me Ryu is OP.
>>332557198
>Your free LP, sir.
>Courtesy of our balancing team.
>queue in ranked at 2100 points
>super bronze alex
>take first game withiut much trouble
>he wants a rematch
>sure
>connection stutters a bit, but nothing bad and doesnt affect the match too much
>he manages to beats me and i lose a bunch of points
>last game is super jumpy and i barely lose
>get demoted
t-thanks
>>332562538
Learn footsies
>>332562884
Your friend is a shitter like you who only play bad players?
What else?
>>332562729
So that's it, everytime we say that a character is unbalanced "look that one champion at this event did just fine so what do you say?"
Fuck off.
Bison is objectively op, every special is safe, longer grab range and faster grab frame, can thick throw from any air attack, SAFE SCISSORS.
are you fucking kidding me asshole?
So now that Bison has been exposed, is there any general agreement on the top 3 or 5 characters right now? I'd probably go with:
Chun
Dhalsim
Nash
Karin?
Ryu/Necalli?
>>332563627
>ryu
wut
>>332558012
What about Vega? His cr.HK can knock everyone down while getting up.
how does one vega?
>>332563605
Scissor unsafe if not spaced properly
Inferno extremely unsafe
No wake up option except to block or CA
No 3 frame jab
Walk speed so slow you cant shimmy
>>332563605
>My friend is gold
>My friend is bad
I don't even know what to say. You are actually retarded, I'm not even joking.
>>332563808
How new are you? Ryu is considered top tier by every pro FGC player in the world.
Tokido has almost won every capcom pro tour event so far with Ryu. Daigo himself endorses Ryu and will be playing him at Evo this year.
But I suppose you stupid bronze shitters know best. Come on, let's hear it. I know you have some retarded argument to give.
I want to get into fighting games.
Should I get a fight stick or is DS4 good enough? Also, d-pad or analogue stick?
>>332563808
Ryu is top tier in this game.
>>332563989
where did I say your friend is bad dumbass?
>>332563980
Really? there are people who are deluded enough to think Bison is not op?
Is this why every single scrub online is picking him and actually even claim that they just "win" with him?
>>332564086
Start with controller. If you feel didnt drop the game in a month, you can then invest in a stick
>>332563808
Who else that not on that list is better than Ryu?
>>332561237
>bison is bad
Problem x won the last 7 tournaments with bison
>>332564086
Play with what you find is the best.
After seeing Luffy winning Evo with a psone pad, i think you can win with everything
>>332564226
>Every single scrub is picking him
You just said it. Scrubs pick him and get easy wins online because it's fucking online. You never see Bison players even make it out of the pools at literally any tournament so far. He just gets fucking bodied. It's disgusting to watch and boring as shit because he gets so predictably blown the fuck out by players with real skill at competing for real money at a live event.
>>332564226
You didnt disprove Bison's factual faults and just call people deluded
>>332563605
What is thick throw?
Anyway, his inferno is unsafe
He needs that long ass grab range because he walks slower than a three legged tortoise
All normal grabs start up in 5 frames and last I checked Bison has no command grab
Really, the only way you should be getting hit by that throw is either you fucked up your spacing or you have old man reactions and can't punish his predictable dash and throw.
just give 3rd strike ibuki already.
>>332564363
>the last 7 tournaments
He won some locals. A high level player in a small scene should be winning his locals. It doesn't mean shit.
The only real competitive presence Bison has had was Phenom placing second at CWC.
>>332564363
>Europe
Just kidding but until they face competition from people outside their area, then I wouldn't jump to conclusions. Laura won the first major there and no one is screaming how op she is.
Also, I don't know why but the name Problem X sounds really stupid to me.
>>332558012
Ken and Ryu have some easy peasy combos that deal out massive damage, I think that's my only annoyance with them.
Remember when fightan anons claimed that they are different from cyber athletes and that their tourneys and cozy get-togethers and friendly banter was far from soulless corporate esports side of things seen in Starcraft and the like?
>>332559714
t. Super Bronze
Fuck survival, not grinding it again just to unlock colors for the new costumes. Tempted to use a trainer. Anyone used it and is still alive?
>>332562692
No one is free in the hands of a good player.
>>332564842
There was a couple of Bisons on Winter Brawl, I think, the one LI Joe won. But Moons switched to Rashido.
>>332565162
Again with the "your opinions dont mean shit because I think you're bronze" retort
>be Ultra Bronze Karin
>Make a lobby
>Silver Ryu and Super Silver Karin instantly join
>fight the Ryu first
>rape him so hard he gets dizzied both rounds without barely getting a hit in
>back at lobby screen
>press ready
>Karin player stalls for a second
>leaves lobby
>mfw
>>332565064
>Hating on Pro talk
Next level faggotry right here
>>332565168
Far as I'm aware no punishments have been dished out. I'd wait a bit longer, with the fm shop ingame now the capcops might come knocking on suspicious survival completions. Highly unlikely that anything will happen though.
>>332565365
>he thinks his opinion is valid if he's bad
>>332565468
Or maybe you were so fucking laggy that he decided not to play a DBZ teleport battle with you.
>>332565365
Well, your opinions are inherently less valuable the less you understand the game. Not saying you can't be right, but you're the only person saying Ken is OP, so either you know something much more experienced players don't, or more likely, your opinion is stupid.
>>332565692
Nice strawman
>mfw constantly getting matched with people with twice my LP
I don't mind playing against much better players but not all the time
Is it because the matchmaking stats are universal across all modes? I mostly win in Casual. If the matchmaking is always trying to keep you at 50%, winning a lot in Casual would get you stronger opponents in Ranked, etc.
>>332565358
It's surprising, because I don't think Bison is as much of a fraud as people say, he's just curiously absent from the American and Japanese scenes.
>>332565507
How ws this week's episode?
Anybody know how to parry with Alex? I've been training with his AI, and I've seen him parry my projectiles and attacks a few times.
>>332565913
Only in V trigger
>>332563216
Never rematch in ranked
Fuck you i earned those points
>/v/ rationale
>ANY CHARACTER THAT BEATS ME IS OP
>ANY MOVE THAT HITS ME NEEDS TO BE NERFED
And then you go on a different thread and start slinging shit about how casual gaming is ruining everything.
>>332565735
I actually come from a first world country, so my connections in this game are always good
cute smelly cammy feets!
>>332565895
You can find out right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUdOstV5jGU
I want to tie alex up and torture his nipples
>>332565507
I think that's LTG code for "should've invited me".
>>332565753
Not that anon but does being bronze magically give Bison 3 frame jab, fast walk speed, overhead axe, and invincible reversals other than CA?
>>332566149
>still no good nude mod showing that delicious belly button/abs
kill me
>>332565981
But how is ti done? Do you hold down the v-trigger button, or is it his v-skill?
>>332566381
?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttH1HXqQNNQ
>like the idea of an offensive ryu
>can't play it without being called a shoryu ken shitter
>>332566784
Where is the delicious belly button/abs?
That mod is just a body swap with Chun nude mod.
I see the scrubs have moved from calling karin OP to calling ken OP
half these fucks probably play Nash too
>>332566784
are you dumb or something senpai
>no good nude mod showing that delicious belly button/abs
> showing that delicious belly button/abs
>posts mod that her belly is basically a flat layer with nothing
>>332566358
Not talking about Bison, talking about Ken not being OP. Pay attention.
>>332566690
HP+HK hold to get his clothesline while in V trigger, it's kind of like a parry and focus attack all in one.
>>332561705
Isn't TK EX Cannon Strike an overhead?
>>332567153
kill yourself.
>>332567194
Nope
Does anyone know what happened to everyone's fourth and fifth colors that can be bought from the store? I know the leak showed colors 11-15 for everyone, but I can only buy 11-13. Are they locked in Survival Mode too?
>>332567407
Locked behind character level apparently.
>>332566297
>CCPT is back
What is it about Ken that attracts all the shitters?I'm a shitter and I play Ken...
>>332567137
Then I ag Ken is not OP, and Bison is missing a lot of tools to stay in the competitive scene too.
>>332567784
Do you know what level characters have to be to unlock them? Can't find anything online.
>>332567803
he's ryu: special snowflake edition
>>332567981
Agreed*
That one Ken player got destroyed by Infiltration or was it Tokido in NCR
>>332567803
"H-he's lower tier than Ryu, so it's okay for me to not do as well, r-right?"
"H-haha, random dp! If I wanted safety I'd play R-ryu"
Legit though it's a shame most Kens are so bad, the character's a good counterpart to Ryu.
>>332561705
Who needs an overhead when you have shit like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HtPyWKwAuI
Heh I wonder what people who cry about balance on SF5 would say if they played Vanilla SF4 and saw their life drain from 100% to 30% in a single combo from Sagat
Bison is extremely honest, you never have to guess against him. Unlike you have to when playing with grapplers. Some Mika setups are literally guessing game.
>>332567786
You should see the one last week with Kbrad. Holy shit I was dying.
>>332565883
Every once in a while I dip down to Silver rank and fight way more bronze levels. Once you gain a few lp and hit super silver its like you fight nothing but ultra silvers and gold, platinum, etc. I think super silver is the threshold.
>>332566297
Oh shit it's back
i looked forward to this almost more then the actual game coming out
>>332568367
Offline, yeah, online laggy Bisons get twice the amount of teleport. That's probably why he's so popular online too.
>>332568353
/v/ is perpetually ignorant of fighters and how they've evolved from game to game.
Even the 09'rs here don't remember the hell that was Vanilla SFIV.
>>332568353
Vanilla sagat meme is over played as fuck
Sagats rarely won tournaments get the fuck out with this bullshit
>>332564472
Just because someone on 4chan called you a faggot doesn't mean he's wrong.
Ad Hominem just means he's a shitty debater.
>>332566954
Whut, now that you mention it, it is Nash players calling Karin OP. What the fuck. Why?
>>332568626
In this case online Dhalsim is even worse. You already get hit by retarded combo before you can react to teleport.
>>332568984
karin forces you to play on fundamentals. Nash players don't like that, they want an easy gimmick character who's top tier. This results in a lot of butthurt. Expect them to throw sonic booms in the neutral then complain about rassen hitting them
>>332561237
Priority is real but not how the uneducated masses throw it around. Priority isn't an actual property of attacks but is the descriptor for the general hit-to-hurtbox ratio on a move. If the hitbox is big and the hurtbox isn't, it has good priority, and vice versa.
Bison's also just not bad.
>>332569197
karin is a shitty retarded character who can stun a silver- player with 1 or 2 variations of a combo.
Has nothing to do with fundamentals,she's just a scrub killer.
>>332569480
yeah she's a scrub killer because she forces you to play on fundamentals
>>332569197
No wonder I heard LTG scream like a bitch "LOOK AT ALL THIS WORK I HAVE TO PUT." When facing Karins.
>>332557198
when I see a ken online I am relieved that i will get free LP because every ken player is a complete scrub that jumps around and wake up DPs
>>332568672
I remember having j.LK as only Sakura crossup normal in Vanilla. j.MK became crossup only in Super
>>332569197
You'd like to pretend Karin relies on fundamentals but almost 95% of Karins I face rely on ressenha gimmicks. All I ever have to do is wobble around 1/2 to 3/4 of the screen away and guaranteed I'll see that bitch windmilling towards me, that or they try to do it in blockstrings which is also fucking stupid. The majority of them don't know how to approach at all. The same can be said of Nash though, they do the same thing except with Moonsaults.
>>332569770
yeah you can't play karin on gimmicks, rassenha is super unsafe
What's the point of Alex' V-Skill if the "hard hit" gets consumed upon block?
>>332569965
it would be stupid if his next connecting attack just always did more damage and hitstun as long as you used his vskill
>>332565168
1mil fm here, it's pretty much essential to use a trainer, I'm set for an entire year with this fm it's fucking great
>>332569965
The threat of it is more important than actually landing it.
But landing it is really good as well.
Extra damage on stun as well.
>>332565168
I used it for the colours of my main and still living.
Tried to make battles a bit longer and use points so it is not very suspicious
>>332566149
Th-They are NOT smelly!
>>332566297
was this before or after marn lost jwongs winstreak and tried to pin it on mike ross?
>>332570680
ok cammy
