Project M literally had:
>>The best game modes of the series
>Improved stamina mode which made blastzones looparound and also could have up to 999 health + fixed/progressive knockback
>All Star Versus which let you set a character for each individual stock
>0-death mode which made 0-death combos/strings be the only way to kill.
>Turbo Mode which turned the game into Mahvel: Smash edition.
>>It had the most stages in the entire series (69), as well as the most competitive stages (10-15)
>>It had the most balanced roster in the entire series where 40 out of 41 playable characters were viable and incredibly fun to play.
>>It had the most advanced tech of the entire series.
>>It had real alt costumes for characters.
>>It had completely customizable music, stages, and costumes.
>>It was perfectly emulated on Dolphin with easy netplay with a great netcode that allowed for fantastic Online play, as well as online-safe HD texture packs
>>It was simply the greatest smash game of all time.
So, with this in mind, why are people against Smash 4 being "Project M"-ified?
>>332546986
i want to fuck those gaping arm canon holes
nah
>>332547104
Why?
>>332546986
Because they are autists who think that Sakurai's "artistic vision" matters.
Because they don't have the brain capacity to keep up with a faster pace than Smash 4 currently has.
Because they are shitters who are satisfied with settling for what they have instead of always aiming higher.
>>332546986
With all that effort, the small community of autists could have made their own game to balance and wank over rather than hack a nintendo game to conform to their own "competitive" standards
>>332546986
The only thing that pisses me off about Project M and melee is the existence of L-canceling as a concept. Wave dashing is slightly autistic but it adds gameplay in a similar way that bunny hopping does. L-canceling is just pure cancer that adds APM for no reason whatsoever.
>>332547681
You have to be creative in order to be popular, only rich people run what's popular and isn't.
Modding a game that's popular and making it incredibly accessible is the way to go, because competitive games need to be popular to be fun.
>>332547719
Project M has an optional setting that enables auto-L canceling.
>>332547681
>Make competitive game that's god-tier.
>It's not popular.
>All effort is lost because despite being one of the best games ever made, nobody plays it.
If it were singleplayer this is fine but we're talking about a low skill ceiling high skill floor multiplayer game.
Why the fuck is anyone actually against a game being modded?
>>332547719
L-cancelling is great for combos though
>>332547993
>one of the best games ever made
lmao
Someone post the ill homer holding a rotting sandwich
>>332548420
I'm not saying any game is the best game ever made, I'm simply saying if someone made one of the best multiplayer games ever made, sold it for free no less, and it was unpopular, all that effort would be lost.
Man every fucking time there's a thread about PM without a shitpost OP it just dives straight into page 10
>>332548361
I hate mandatory actions that aren't choices in games. It's like adding a game mechanic to my body that makes me have to consciously think about making my heart beat.
>>332547880
That's good. should be on by default but at least they acknowledge it's stupid in a small way.
>>332548530
>digital media is perishable.
>>332548631
It's because IT'S NOT FAIRAlso OP is basically completely right
>>332547681
That's fine but then there'd be literally no reason to talk about or even remember Brawl.
Actually, maybe that's a good thing. Makes one wonder
>>332548645
If you don't want to L-cancel it won't make it impossible for you to play.
Also, its the type of stuff that just becomes muscular memory, every time i do a move close to the floor i'll just press R without even noticing
>>332546986
Are they modding smash 4 now? Thats pretty neat.
Honestly the only issue i have with project M is the absurdly cancerous community that surrounds it. I'm talking about bullshit like:
>PROJECT M IS A GAME. WE MADE A GAME BETTER THAN MASHED POTAHU HACKURAI
>TR4SH AND BRAWL ARE SHIT, YOU CAN'T ENJOY THEM BECAUSE I SAY SO
And the whole "superiority complex" some faggots seem to have. Although thats mostly /v/ being autistic as usual.
You are fine though.
>>332547541
Don't forget they spent time getting 'good' at Smash 4 and don't want that investment invalidated by being told they are playing a sub par game.
>>332548792
He is, I loved brawl but now Project M feels like the actual sequel to Melee. I'd fucking cum buckets if something similar came to smash4.
I'ts a shame it won't happen
>>332546986
I just got a nice PC and playing PM in HD has to be one of the most fun game expereinces I've had in a long, long time. Updates may be gone but I can still play it with my friends, and that's the most important part for me.
>>332548964
Again, the whole deal with games being competitive is that they need a community of people to play it, and you have to try and convince others to indulge and git gud at it as opposed to the interchangeable substitutions.
Making PM seem like it's the superior title by acting elitist often makes children feel smaller and therefore succumb to peer pressure
>>332548683
>>332549153
>Smash 4 players and people who like brawl are children.
>Melee players are workers and have passion for the things they love.
Nice.
>>332549153
All you're proving to me is that people who like brawl and smash 4 are children
>>332547681
![pfblG[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZShFWPc.jpg "pfblG[1].jpg")
>Project M does cool things like adding alt costumes like Fusion suit, Mr. L, and others
>They will never add alt costumes outside of palette changes in actual Smash Bros.
>>332549558
A game that isn't good
>>332549695
Not the point.
>>332549695
It's ok
I think the sprites are too small
>>332549771
I thought the point was that if the PM developers made their own smash game, it'd be better for some reason.
This isn't the case, because the devs of Rivals of Aether aren't as talented, creative, or skilled as the PM devs.
>>332549616
Well that's because they had to make the entire game.
>>332550010
Strong Bad's still an ass
>>332550102
Yes, after the PM development ended we all learned that the developers were complete assholes and hated eachother, doesn't change the fact they're geniuses that in spite of their hatred for one another, still made a good game.
>>332549106
>I'ts a shame it won't happen
Don't they already have mods with vertex edits and basic moveset changes for Smash 4? I'd be pretty fucking surprised if we didn't get something like PM.
>>332550161
They didn't make a game. They modified an existing one.
>>332550410
Doesn't change the fact they're geniuses that took a bad game and turned it into gold.
>>332546986
Because if cucks couldn't even finish and balance their first project, why in gods name would I trust cucks to finish and balance a second project?
>>332550530
3.6 is a good final version. Did you seriously want fucking knuckles?
>>332550585
No I wanted a balanced game. Too bad PM couldn't even deliver that.
>>332550683
Perfect balance is impossible, and PM is still the most balanced smash and more balanced than the majority of competitive games.
>>332550585
yes I did
>>332550683
Pm's more balanced than both sm4sh and melee
>>332549138
So the only way to get this game popular is to be complete faggots?
>>332550831
Well considering the only surefire way of a game being popular is
>being rich and buying media articles and lets play and valve featured page and etc and if you don't have money you ain't getting no attention at all
Then yeah that's one of the better ways of getting a game popular.
It definitely worked considering PM was the most popular smash for a while.
II have nothing against project M other then the devs were fucking manipulative controlling egotistical assholes.
>>332551684
that made a great game
>>332546986
I liked PM and I liked it a little more when it started trying to be its own thing with the game modes and other shit. I still play it with my friends, development done or not. I have the "community complete" build, so we have fun with that.
>>332548361
>Why the fuck is anyone actually against a game being modded?
From what I have observed on here, a lot of Nintendo fans on here don't like any Nintendo fan projects or mods (any SNES rom hack, AM2R, PM, etc.), whatever their reasons for it are, so they don't care for them in general. At the same time, PM was/is one of the biggest Smash Bros projects in general and is the one that is going to be noticed the most by people that don't care for mods. On here, people only shitpost about PM because it's the one mod that can potential incite a reaction from people. That may also be the reason why people don't shitpost about the other Brawl mods (Brawl+, Brawl Minus, Balanced Brawl, etc.) either because they don't know about it or that they figure that it won't incite a reaction. Not saying that people can't like it, but a lot of their opinions were mostly based on existing bandwagons against PM or mods in general.
From all of that, people are probably "against" Smash 4 modding because it reminds them of only PM modding and not the other Smash mods or projects.
>>332550213
The fact that PM exists is a godsent. It takes an insane amount of time to edit code and animations of just ONE character (i've done it).
And sm4sh has 58 fucking characters. Stage mods and skin changes are easy, but man we were fucking lucky getting PM.
Also, not sure, but wasn't there some huge shitstorm about third party characters that made the PMDT shut down? If that's actually true then with Sm4sh it would be far worse
>>332546986
I don't care,because I'm busy working on Super Smash Flash 2.
>>332552906
What are you going to do to make Smash Flash 2 superior to PM?
>>332552906
That exists already though.And it's garbage.
>>332546986
People are against modding Smash 4 because honestly, it doesn't warrant a PM esque mod in the same way Brawl did.
Like, okay, you don't like Smash 4, that's fine. Doesn't mean other people don't. The game has had a thriving competitive scene even if it isn't as fast or flashy as Melee and thanks to the balance patches the game has maintained a much better and balanced roster. Characters that were underwhelming initially like Ike, Samus, Mewtwo and Charizard have gotten much needed buffs while characters who were too overwhelming like Diddy, Sheik and ZSS got much needed nerfs. It's not perfect (poor Jigglypuff), but still.
Project M felt more necessary because Brawl was actually competitively broken completely. Literally no combos, hideously unbalanced roster, bugs up the ass, the list goes on. Those issues aren't anywhere near as prevalent in Smash 4's meta.
So like, just accept Smash 4 the way it is and leave the people who like it the way it is alone, and just keep on supporting Melee or Project M. Let these games thrive on their own. All making a PM for Smash 4 is gonna do is tear apart and split that community in half.
>>332553703
But I want a project m ified little mac
>>332552973
Not sure how I can actually answer aside from looking forward to our future characters, stages, and game modes.
>>332553110
True, and sorry that you don't find it good, friend.
>>332553703
The fact that there would be a PM mod in sm4sh doesn't change the fact that sm4sh is a good game. It just adds varietyAlso Bayonetta just made the game unfun to play on tournaments, until the next patch at least
>>332553919
And I'd like for Palutena to have Super Speed and Lightweight in her default set so she wouldn't have to to rely on having customs on in order to not suck shit, but alas, we can't always have what we want.
>>332553994
>I don't know how to articulate what made PM good and how I'll make my game better
>more Characters, stages, and game modes is what made PM good.
lol, why do you think you're credible enough to make a good smash game?
>>332553703
>Having Project Sm4sh means that Normal Sm4sh no longer exists
>>332549153
santa is right tho
I tried googling for one, but I can't find a reliable one.
Is there a new iso compiler for Project M 3.6 that is not the netplay build? I'm trying to make an iso build from 3.6 and 3.61CC, but I don't know of a working one. I need it for local use, not online.
>>332555267
They use virtual SD cards now because it's somehow more efficient.
>>332546986
I'm curious who the one unviable character you are referring to is.
What exactly is wrong with this design philosophy?
>>332555402
I know of that method, but I'm looking to use it on an actual Wii. I remember using a full iso compiler for 3.5, but I don't know if a full one exists for 3.6 or where to find it if it does.
>>332555681
obviouslyCpt.Falcon
>>332546986
Because we already have enough shitheaded autists in the base came, we don't need the tryhard flavor being self righteous dipshits who feel some iota of superiority over a shitty party game they devoted way too much time towards. You have any idea how fucking autistic that would be OP? Do you? I do, and it horrifying.
>>332553703
You act as though giving people another option inherently hurts the core game; when in fact it merely gives people another alternative that they may choose to utilize at their leisure if they desire. A Project M for Sm4sh would be no less necessary than a Project M for Brawl by virtue of its inclusion purely offering more options to the player, which is the inherent intention behind smash's multiple varied settings that already exist as part of the core game.
As such, in the spirit of providing more variety, it is entirely warranted. Whether people choose to play it if/when it comes about or whether they choose to keep playing vanilla Sm4sh is up to them and the idea of it tearing apart the community as a mark against it is somewhat ridiculous since people will always just play what they want to play and that will happen regardless of whether the divide is between Sm4sh and a hypothetical new P:M or Sm4sh and Melee.
>>332556409
I always hated PM. I'm so glad I was the one to kill it.
Why should I waste my time with Project Meme when Melee exists?
>>332546986
Project M literally wasn't:
>real
>good
>>332556223
You're rightBut Falcon is actually one of the top tiers in PM
>>332546986
I'm only against it because /v/ diapers are gonna shitpost all day for/against it and nobody will be able to hold a proper discussion unless it's tucked away in a thread that isn't blatantly a smash/project M thread
Why do people take a game about Nintendo characters beating each other up so seriously?
With the Bidou tech Smash 4 is a better competitive fighter than Brawl was. I don't see the need for a modded game right now.
>>332546986
>that light suit
Holy shit it looks hideous
>>332546986
Because they're trying to making the mechanics like Melee. If they just wanted to add more fun contents like stages, balances the characters, and add alts costume I'd be fine with it, but when it's a sad attempt by Melee fans to want to remake Melee again instead of sticking to their game. No thansk
>>332556563
I want tohugGimR
There's a project M netplay tourney on friday if anyone is interested. All skill levels are welcome.
http://challonge.com/revivalofvpm2
>>332560958
>All skill levels are welcome
Too bad the same can't be said for connection and PC specs
>>332562761Post specs
>>332563139
I literally have a toaster powered by a hamster.
Can't even run Melee that well with the lowest settings, in the lowest possible resolution without this shit freezes.
Also, living on Australia doesn't help the cause too much either.
Hope your tourney succeeds so I can get on future ones when I get back to America.
>>332563676
Thanks, anon.
Although that doesn't always stop people.500ping and 15fps is pure suffering
