Are you ready for Project M 2.0 ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIjikO9tVys&feature=youtu.be&a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPTADxyuxTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvNDYE60wyM
Why do we need to turn ever Smash game into a Melee game? Can't you just get used to the current physics instead changing the entire game?
Also, why they are doing that, and not Smash 4 Balanced?
>>332527819
>Also, why they are doing that, and not Smash 4 Balanced?
That ?
Nobody is currently trying to port melee physics into smash4
>Make another Melee clone
>Meleefags still won't play it just like with Project M
>>332528119
Forgive my retardness. I just saw the videos and none of them were even related to Melee or PM, except kind of the last one. It's OP just being retard again.
>>332528119
>Melee
>balanced
Keep telling yourself that.
>>332528128
>Meleefags hate non-Melee Smash
>But they don't play Melee.
>They just mod the Smash games they hate to vaguely play like Melee.
>Then they still don't play it.
>>332528894
>I can't fucking read
>>332527819
>Why are they trying to turn a bad game into a good game? Can't they just get used to playing a bad game?
>>332530249
Turning it into Melee doesn't make it good or balanced. Ho about they try making ALL of the characters viable instead of going back to the Fox/Falco/Marth/Sheik/Peach domination like it's some kind of sacred code?
>>332530628
They are.
That was also the aim with Project M.
>remove Bayonetta
>game is balanced
easy
>>332527819
>Why do we need to turn ever Smash game into a Melee game
BECAUSE MELEE WAS THE BEST ONE?
Melee is one those games where it's literally not overrated, it's exactly as respected as it should be.
There aren't a lot of games I'd call works of art but Melee specifically is one of them. It looks gorgeous, it plays smooth like butter, the whole game is such a neatly crafted package of FUN. right from the opening intro down to littlest details. He notoriously worked himself to near-death making the game in just over 1 year and every bit of his passion is on display.
or you can just reply with a reaction image and ignore me. whatever. i just like going on and on about good games.
>>332530628
Except the current physics are garbage, that's the point. He was confused on why people wanted to fix that along with character balancing instead of just balancing the characters but leaving the rest of the game terrible. He's an idiot.
>>332528128
i played PM, lots of people played PM, it's awesome.
i didn't care so much about balancing as i did about the alt outfits. those are wonderful. going back to dull, lazy palette swaps in smash4 was heartbreaking
the worst was knowing lucas would never get that masked man alt for real. or an actual Light suit for Samus, like she deserves. at least he gave us palettes though, r-right
>>332527819
Smash 4s top level mechanics are spam your safest aerial and as a poke on shield and for the other play to shield grab d-throw u-air if you make a mistake. Yin and Yang of safe aerial poking and shield grab d-throw u-air.
Only a fucking autist would enjoy that playstyle!
>>332530628
It won't be Melee. Melee is Melee. Smash 4 is shit, so they're just making it a bit better. Why do you care though?
>>332530628
>Turning it into Melee doesn't make it good or balanced.
it actually does though. they even brought back characters from scratch. it took sakurai with a whole studio of programmers six months to make Mewtwo alone. PM brought back Roy and M2 completely from scratch at the same time.
>>332530963
>It looks gorgeous
Stopped reading there. It looked horrible, everything was dark and muddy and some franchises should NOT be done in a realistic manner.
>>332531701
how jaded do you seriously have to be though, to not think Melee looks good? just because we have fancier technology now, older games are invalidated in their capacity for beauty? fuck you.
>>332526613
I fucking hope that a Project M comes out for Smash 4
Turbo mode is what I live for
>>332531683
Mewtwo took 600 hours from a single guy that wasnt part of the PM team
>>332531841
Turbo mode ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAP0cGY6P1A
>>332531701
Melee definitely looks dated in a lot of areas, like stage elements, but when it came out it was pretty fucking rad. It still looks okay at the very least. I wouldn't call it beautiful, but it's not horrible.
>>332531813
>all of that ASSuming
I hated how it looked back in 2001, thank you. All of the Mario characters looked weird as fuck, especially Bowser. The Pokemon were creepy. Marth and Roy looked like animate figurines. The only characters who looked decent were Ganondorf, Captain Falcon, and the StarFox duo.
>>332531595
seriously, i have watched an equal share of melee and smash 4 tourneys and it is extremely clear how different they are.
sakurai has endorsed melee as a game that clearly separates a skill gap between players. the issue was that he didn't intend to create that sort of "git gud or git 3stocked" competitive arena.
that does not cheapen the competitive scene of melee, it just means it was unexpected. sakurai envisioned smash after melee as being more about lighthearted fun. kids playing together as their favorite heroes or new heroes they never knew about.
melee is a good competitive sport, the mistake is the smash scene trying to now apply their stuff to smash4 when it is pretty fucking obvious the game can be broken by competitive-tier play
>>332531813
Not him but It was ugly, had some nice shots here and there but the problem it had the shit proportions and overly tan on most characters. But tbf every smash game has some graphical problem, like brawl's shit lighting.
>>332526613
>Recreating the Melee cover with Sm4sh assets
>>332532202
Overly tan on most characters? I thought it was only Mario and Luigi that looked little tanned. Also, what shit proportions? They're cartoon characters. Honestly, could you elaborate?
>>332526613
>Project M for Smash 4
>All the character mods for the newcomers including the DLC
>Adding a Corneria stage
Words cannot describe how hard this makes me.
>>332532178
Therefore, competitive Smash players shouldn't try to mod the game to be like melee for their own, personal enjoyment. Are you an idiot?
>>332532406
Cartoon characters can be off model. But to answer, the Mario characters, especially Bowser, Marth and Roy, C.Falcon's gross looking skin, Monkey Ness, Donkey Kong's everything to name a few.
I mean, it's not horrid. Again, Smash always had problem's like this. It was made under a year by a studio who weren't the original designers of these characters. But still, it's not that pretty.
>>332532801
I still don't really understand what you mean. What is off model about them?
>>332526613
the second video you posted was a severely triggering experience to me. i'm suing /v/.
Melee:
>top players literally raping people
>death threats to smash 4 players
>can't accept other players entering their tournaments
>secret club
Smash 4
>everyone is friendly, trying to help each other out
>best commentators
>healthy scene and good overall environment
>>332532986
Look at Bowser in Melee. Then look at Bowser from a Mario game from around that time.
That is off-model. And it took Sakurai until Smash 4 to fix it.
>>332533185
>death threats to smash 4 players
>can't accept other players entering their tournaments
>secret club
You're gonna have to provide some examples, senpai.
>best commentators
You're definitely gonna have to elaborate on that one.
>>332532986
Generally, I think they're proportions are too exaggerated. Compare any of them to their original source material at the time. Donkey kong and Bowser are big victims of this.
>>332533185
The only non sperg in Melee is Armada who has a real job as a teacher. HBox is an engineer but daddy issues up the ass. Mango will never do better than retail monkey. I've been to Smash locals and Melee kids have eSports celeb as a career goal, the Smash 4 players have college degrees and play games as a hobby. You see these Melee posts and it's clear this is the case across the country. Smash 4 players can actually take the joke that they are playing party games competitively. Melee fans going full retard at every opportunity only drives the point home.
>>332533348
Esam.
>>332533348
*clears throat*
MELEE SUCKS!
And now we wait.
>>332533527
*raises paw*
*glomps you*
>>332526613
I hope that we do get something like this, and that my main Mii Gunner will finally be seen as something you'd use in actual competitive.
>>332533639
*raises hand while pointing up*
See?
>>332533527
What did you have for breakfast today lads? I had biscuits and gravy with a glass of orange juice
>>332533185
/v/:
>top shitposters literally insulting people
>death threats to SJW
>can't accept other newfags entering their boards
>secret club
>everyone is friendly, trying to help each other out
>best quality
>healthy scene and good overall environment
Yet /v/ is still better. You get what I'm trying to say?
Melee is for patricians only while only pes play Sm4sh
a lot of waveyiffing going on in this thread
>>332533831
4chan has done nothing notable in years. Reddit has and is the central hub for most things.
>>332533831
>everyone is friendly, trying to help each other out
lol, if there is a place with more unfriendly people than /v/ that's Reddit.
>>332526613
This is like watching a couple in their 70s dressed up in current trendy clothes trying to talk "hip" at the mall.
>>332526613
>It's been almost 4 months since PM died
>Lyn will never be finished
Every single day I'm reminded of what could have been. Even the SINe project and Brawl modding as a whole is on it's last legs.
PM dying was the worst gaming event of 2015, easily surpassing MGSV in terms of disappointment.
I don't get why people are getting so triggered over a possibility of PM2.0.
It's not like anyone is forcing you to mod your copy of sm4sh.
>>332530628
but pm was balanced, more so than any other smash game
>>332534437
It's hard enough to talk about Smash Bros on here without Meleefags and PMfags constantly screaming about how they're perfect and everyone else are devils.
https://twitter.com/thatsmash4moddr/status/714279108138635266
>The maximum number of skins one character can have is 263.
MY DICK
>>332534651
>I want to talk about a popular game on /v/ without shitposters and false flaggers
Good fucking luck m8
>>332534651
it's hard enough to talk about melee without sm4sh fanboys constantly screaming about how their game is better and everyone else are devils
>>332526613
>what if marth had no weaknesses.
I hate when being over powered = being balance to some people.
>>332534437
I think it's because Smash 4 players are worried that a PM esque mod would split the community in half. A mod that basically says "yeah, the default game sucks" would probably cause a lot of shit flinging.
>>332533454
I think top players of both games have a comparable life foals. Melee's an older game and it makes sense that it has an older playerbase. Sm4sh figureheads will look the same as Melee in a few years.
Honestly I think everyone who shitposts in these threads has never gone to a local. If you just watch smash streams that's cool and a good way to get interested in the game. But trust me when I say that that teaches you nothing about the game or community. The online community is so misinformed it's crazy. Go to a local. Talk to players on both sides. nine times out of ten people will just invite you to play a game. There's no big split, and most of the fighiting is in good spirit. I know a lot of people make this smash hugbox argument, but I think most of them are people who just watch the top 8 streams of sm4sh and Melee and think they understand the game. As a player who's taken games off MikeHaze, VanZ, Kira, and the Moon, I feel a little bit more qualified to assess the community. How many people in this thread, who are making all these judgements about players on both sides, have even been to a tournament?
>>332534728
Woah shit.
Can each slot have unique voice clips too?
>>332529017
>but they don't play melee
???literallywho???
also >implying melee players made PM
it was the brawlfags who hated brawl
>>332534728
model imports when
>>332535050
Someone did figure out how to give alts their own voice clips, so maybe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8236HmLT73w
>>332534728
>You have to cycle through 263 skins
Hory shietu
>>332535147
Fucking beautiful.
>>332534525
This. I was a bowser main and took him to my local tournaments. Always placed high with him. Mostly because people didn't know how to play against a competent bowser.
>>332535147
>we can finally have fox and falco with brawl voices
thank mr modder
>>332533527
*wavedashes behind you*
>>332526613
About friggity-fucking time.
>>332528894
>Tr4shfags being this insecure
Clockwork
>>332526613
>Project M died because Nintendo and GimR killed it
>somehow Project M 2.0 is going to have life
If Melee is "that great" why can't you Meleefags play Melee instead of modding "trash games" ?
>>332532064
>I hated how it looked in 2001
You weren't born yet
>>332535715
Because eight players with melee physics would be sick as fuck.
Sadly i dont see project m for wii u happening unless IOSU exploit releases
>robin with wave dash and l-cancel
>>332535887
Explain Project M
>>332535715
To make use of the new characters, and new stuff like 8 player new stages better graphics etc
>>332535715
Melee doesn't have 50+ characters and HD graphix
>>332535738
>hurr hurr if you don'tlike something you weren't alive to experience it when it first came out
I was alive to see Mario make his debut on the world, thank you. Melee's art style is still shit.
>>332532801
Marth for example is super short and looks like he's 12.
And DK's waistline is fucking ridiculous.
>>332535715
Melee doesn't have Ryu
>>332533454
AFAIK the top players of smash 4 aren't in that much different situations.
Ally works in a grocery store (Which is why he said 2016 will be his last year so he can get his life on track) and Zero is jobless outside of Smash.
>>332533401
What qualifies as source material here? Bowser and DK's designs have been changed multiple times. I think they look perfectly fine in Melee, even if Bowser doesn't look the way he does in Sunshine.
>>332535147
>we can have a good bowser voice
This is good. This is very good.
>>332528128
Project M type games never take off because people are too lazy or dumb to install it. On my state's Facebook page I see posts all the time of people saying they will pay upwards of $25 for someone to install Melee 20XX on their Wii.
![blacked.15.05.21.valentina.nappi.mp4_snapshot_01.30_[2016.03.14_12.30.13].png](https://i.imgur.com/zaLlEXw.jpg "blacked.15.05.21.valentina.nappi.mp4_snapshot_01.30_[2016.03.14_12.30.13].png")
>wake up
>project m is still dead
feels good
>>332536561
Bowser does not look fine in Melee.
Disregarding whether he's on model or not, he looks greasy and awkward.
see >>332536114
>>332536854
>wake up
>this anon is still a cuck
feels good
>>332536854
Thanks anon, now I have to fap
>>332536854
I love Blacked's production
>>332536854
>wake up
Project M : Reborn is now released for the wii U
Has a modder been able to remove the lame ass ledge trumping?
>>332536114
I like how bowers design gets more shit with every iteration of smash.
I just want a game that me and friends will enjoy the most.
Pm smash 4 would just be really fun to play overall.
Hell just giving me a dash dance that isnt balls hard as pivot dancing and crouching out of a run and i'd be completely happy.also make soccer balls like they were in brawl
>>332531683
>it took sakurai with a whole studio of programmers six months to make Mewtwo alone.
lol
>>332537256
Show us how you want Bowser to look, since you think how he looks in the Mario games is so shitty.
>>332537256
Let me guess, you think he looks scarier in melee.
PM was fun but it always felt like it was being Melee too hard, it had zero identity of its own except for really shitty music remixes
why the fuck would you not take the few things Brawl did better? but nope, gotta have Falco be a clone again because otherwise we will never get Meleefags to play our game
Bidou tech is making waves soon for Smash 4 anyway, plus PM devs being massive cowards makes me way less hyped for this shit than I would've been 5 years ago
>>332536028
it's a good mod that nintendo tried their best to prevent getting exposure
>>332537460
to be fair he does look pretty gross and monstrous in melee
>>332537703
Show us how Nintendo did their best to silence it.
Has anyone seen this? Melee falco in smash wii u
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7S4gzSI98Ts
>>332533527
I got something for you to wait for right here
*unzipsAdventure Mode*
>>332527819
>Why do we need to turn ever Smash game into a Melee game?
Because Melee is good.
>implying pm is good
>implying it was anything like melee
>implying it was anything but a game that gave every character gimmicks and made them all completely different from their old base form, just because it could.
I could never see why anyone would like pm.
>>332526613
I'm excited for the possibilities of modding but highly doubt we'll get a full fledged PM on WiiU for three reasons.
1. The PM team is making some OC donut steel smash clone for PC.
2. No stage builder, meaning accessing the mods will probably be far less convenient.
3. Nintendo may actually shut it down this time cause it could be seen as taking away from DLC sales. No reason to buy Pirate Ship when you can just mod it in.
I'd love to see it though. Hyped for custom costumes and music currently, keeping expectations low.
>>332537460
Well he does look scarier and more menacing in melee.
>>332537840
you can't put a 1:1 copy of melee falco into smash 4. It's too unfair for smash 4 characters
>>332537568
>Bidou tech is making waves soon for Smash 4 anyway
HAHAHAH!! Every single top player that matter have said that bidou is shit. Even your advanced techs are tr4sh.
>>332537568
>bidou tech
The coolest shit but i'd have to break 15 years of muscle memory to learn that.
It would be hard to play the other games after learning it too.
>>332537840
This was exactly how PM started wasn't it?
>>332537703
>>332537830
Not him but there used to be a Project M listing on Twitch and it had to be taken down.
>>332537992
Of course Project M for wii U is never gonna happen, but more stages / more alts / better voices / etc. is maybe gonna happen
>>332538002
>>332537809
Until you actually put him up next to the rest of the characters and he's barely half a foot taller than Peach. And then he slides across the floor in a silly way because they couldn't be bothered to give him a run animation.
In 4 he's huge and his walk animation is actually pretty intimidating. It's like this big mean strut.
Melee Bowser is scarier, I guess. But 4 Bowser is much more intimidating.
>>332538205
Did they say it was because Nintendo told them to?
>>332538180
Yep
>>332538281
sm4sh bowser looks like a goofy cartoon character, not to mention that he is even more awful in sm4sh than in melee for some reason.
>>332537992
I'd be happy with just voice/texture/model mods.
I actually like Smash 4 as it is anyway (I have my gripes, but no game is perfect).
>>332538395
>a cartoon character looks like a cartoon character
No shit, Sherlock, do you want him to look like Legendary Godzilla?
>worse in Smash 4 than in Melee
Now you're shitting out of your mouth.
>>332538395
>implying bowser isn't supposed to look like a goofy cartoon character
Smash head-canon was a mistake
>>332538395
Well I mean, he IS a goofy cartoon character.
>he is even more awful in sm4sh than in melee for some reason.
Bowser's practically unplayable in Melee. If he didn't have a good Up B OOS he'd be completely worthless instead of mostly worthless.
Bowser's a solid mid tier in 4 and is definitely viable at a local and regional level.
>>332538395
Not him but Melee Bowser would look out of place next to Bowser Junior had he kept that style.
>>332538516
>>332538582
sm4sh bowser is just a punching bag that cant land, melee bowser got his godlike upB and his koopa klaw is actually a really good and cool move instead of the awful garbage he got now.
>>332537568
Bidou tech is ancient tech for Smash 4, it's not going to make waves. Pro players already knew about it. It's just going to be talked about for the next month then fade away. Again.
>>332537992
And honestly, you have to consider the fact that most people are actually fine with Smash 4 the way it is.
Project M felt much more necessary because Competitive Brawl was broken from top to bottom. It wasn't just slow or floaty, it was hideously unbalanced and buggy as shit.
Okay yes, Smash 4 isn't as technical or flashy as Melee/PM but it's still a very functional game with much better balancing, especially thanks to the balance patches. Some top/high tiers like Diddy, Luigi, Sheik and MK had their braindead kill confirms taken away while some intially low tiers like Mewtwo, Samus and Charizard got some much needed buffs.
A PM mod for Smash 4 is just gonna cause a lot of shit flinging and divide the community, considering the message it would bring basically being "yeah, the default game sucks".
>>332538857
>sm4sh bowser is just a punching bag that cant land
and Melee Bowser isn't? At least when S4 Bowser finally manages to land, he can punish really, REALLY hard. He gets ridiculous damage off of a grab and has one of the best grab ranges to boot.
>koopa klaw is actually a really good and cool move instead of the awful garbage he got now.
You mean the command grab that kills at 110%?
>>332538582
DJ Nintendo has won locals with his Bowser, although I'm not saying he's good. He's a high tier characteron Yoshi's Island.I think he means he's better as a character, as in he can do more things in Melee than in Brawl. Remember Gimpyfish? Remember flame cancelling? Bowser has a better combo game, better tech, and more options in Melee, despite being a shit character.
>>332538857
it's not a fair comparison. Most melee characters would curbstomp most smash 4 characters, but smash 4 characters are better in comparison to other smash 4 characters than melee characters compared to other melee characters
>>332539137
I meant Smash 4, not Brawl. Freudian slip.
>Sakurai finally makes Bowser look and move like he does in the Mario games
>still has him making generic dinosaur sounds
And yet he still insists that he follows the canon versions as faithfully as possible. I want Bowser to growl "SHOWTIME!!" as one of his taunts and make his roars, laughs, and grunts from the Mario games. Same goes for Donley Kong, hell the vocal remix of the DKC theme has them going "Ho-ho-hoooooo, ah-aah-aah-oooooooh!" in their normal voices while they still growl and screech and bellow like generic monsters.
>>332537568
>Bidoof tech
>relevant
It's going straight into the trash bin just like 90% of all tech discovered in all competitive games by having no enhancement to the meta since the meta is based around doing the simplest possible things to be effective.
>>332539235
>wanting Scooby Kong in Smash
Yeah I'm glad Sakurai isn't that retarded.
>>332539113
I mean the command grab with a shit grabbox who does NOT kill at 110% against people who can actually DI.
Educate yourself.
>>332539137
>Bowser has a better combo game, better tech, and more options in Melee, despite being a shit character.
That's more because all characters have better combos, better tech and more options. That comes more from the game's mechanics themselves.
S4 Bowser does better against S4's cast than Melee Bowser does against Melee's cast.
Pretty much every melee counterpart would beat their S4 counterpart head on, except ~arguably~ Kirby. Because Melee Kirby is irredeemable garbage by any standards and S4 Kirby is pretty good.
This garbage looks so slow and clunky, even with it modded. Smash 4 fans, promptly kill yourselves with a rusty knife.
>>332539235
Honestly, I never liked Modern DK's voice. Just sounds like a retarded Scooby Doo knockoff.
Technically DK and Diddy made realistic monkey/ape noises in the original DKC games so it's not that strange. But to be honest, my favorite portrayal of DK will always be Grant Kirkhope in DK64.
>OKAY
>>332539705
>Technically DK and Diddy made realistic monkey/ape noises in the original DKC games so it's not that strange.
Nah they got dudes to go Hoo and Hah.
>>332539489
Hey, if you're going to use "I FOLLOW CANON TO THE LETTER!" as the reason to not make Ridley playable, then you shouldn't be a hypocrite and do non-canon things with who's already on the roster. And it's funny how you people whine so much about "Scooby Kong" when he was like that since 1993 and you people only get upset when Retro does it.
>>332539820
I wouldn't really compare the choice of sound effects for a character to be nearly as a development problem as much as trying to make a character who's almost always a giant boss shrunken down into a playable character.
>>332538089
[citation needed]
>>332537376
Hey I'm just going by what Nintendo themselves stated.
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Bowser_%28SSB4%29
>Bowser is ranked 30th out of 56 characters on the tier list, placing him in the E tier and thus making him the second lowest ranked mid-tier character but the second highest ranked of the super-heavyweights. This is a considerable improvement from his standing in Brawl, where he was ranked 33rd out of 38, and is also his highest tier placement in the series to date
>As Bowser was seen as a bottom-tier character in Melee and Brawl, he has been considerably buffed in the transition to SSB4. Most of his moveset and animations have been completely revamped for the better; he is much more mobile overall (such as being able to outrun Marth, Toon Link, Donkey Kong, Pit and Mr. Game & Watch, all of whom were faster than him in Brawl), his endurance and recovery have been greatly improved, he possesses even faster and better attacks with farther reach than he did in Brawl while being even more powerful than he was in Melee, and as of version 1.1.3 his throw-based combo game is much better than ever before. All of these improvements now allow him to punish opponents more harshly and more safely than he could in previous games while remedying many of his flaws
Bowser in Smash 4 > Bower in Melee.
>>332538335
You can still stream Project M on Twitch under Brawl but Nintendo doesn't want channels with sub buttons (Making money) off of a mod of their game
It's why tourneylocator and vgbootcamp don't stream it on Twitch anymore and a lot of the project m streams went to hitbox
>>332539820
>he was like that since 1993
Nintendo only hired that shitty voice actor in the Wii era.
>>332539820
anon, sakurai does whatever the hell he wants to then makes up reasons afterwards. Him saying "because I didn't want to" sounds a lot worse than saying he's trying to stick to canon
>>332538089
Zero just uploaded a video today saying it can definitely change the meta game if people will be willing to make the switch, but it's going to be hard for people who have been using a certain set up for a long time to undo over 10 years of muscle memory.
>>332540024
>(Making money) off of a mod of their game
As is their right. They don't care about PM otherwise.
>>332540098
Technically, Takashi Nagasako has been voicing DK since Mario Power Tennis on the Gamecube.
>>332540024
this is partially not because of nintendo
nintendo isn't against mods as such (they allow pretty much all emulation on there anyway), but there's fucking weird copyright laws involving smash
for example, they have the USAGE, but not BROADCASTING rights for Sonic and Mother music and characters, which means they could potentially get sued over people streaming their game (which is why Omegas are banned at bigger tourneys)
people act like nintendo is a big boogeyman here but the way they handled PM is more because of how Smash has been handled weirdly copyrightwise
>>332540098
Nintendo had DK be a man making monkey noises since Donkey Kong Country on the SNES.
Also, Scooby-Doo actually talks. DK has never spoken a single word audibly.
>>332528894
>I don't understand basic English and cannot read
typical sm4sh player.
>>332540142
It can't be that hard. I recently changed my handwriting to make certain characters quicker to write as I used to go over a lot of lines which was sub-optimal. That's over 20 years of muscle memory and it only took me a couple of weeks to make a full transition.
Are people seriously forgetting that PM is superior to melee?
>>332540212
That's still a dumb grey area. It's not like the makers of PM are selling the game, you still need a disc for it.
Streaming a mod for entertainment purposes and getting subscriptions for that is less problematic than someone who streams emulators.
>>332540349
Yeah and while Charles Martinet is a good voice actor Scooby Kong sounds like a retarded hobo they pulled off the street and gave a sandwich to to yell into a microphone for fifteen minutes for them to sample from.
>DK has never spoken a single word audibly.
DK64
>>332540462
He's probably exaggerating massively about how hard it is. He's just too lazy to make the switch over.
>>332540484
you're making money off it if you have a subscribe button, which is where twitch kills it, and why vgbc moved to hitbox with it
casual streamers don't get shut down
>>332531701
Eh, there are certain shitty aspects likebowserandyoshi, but melee's graphics kind of feel "cooler" for lack of a better word. Like, maybe it's just because they have less detail, but fox and falco in melee just look a lot nicer than sm4sh's renditions. Also the art direction in brawl and sm4sh fell pretty flat in most peoples' opinion.
Does this mean we'll get to import HD nude mods into Smash 4? Good golly..
Real talk, Project M is the most balanced smash game with the most fun gameplay. Why people shat on the idea when it first came out is reasonable but why are people shitting on Sm4sh becoming Melee 3.0?
>>332540580
>fox
I don't think anyone denies that Fox has gotten a fucked up design since Melee, but pretty much everyone else looks better
I just want more stages, music, and costumes.
Some voice packs would be neat too. Brawl DK and Bowser sound like shit.
>>332530963
>it plays smooth like butter
Butter is not smooth
>>332540580
Brawl looks ugly as sin (PM as a result does too)
Smash 4 looks great
Visual-wise Sm4sh > Melee > 64 > Brawl
>>332540538
Hey, just like Bowser, does he piss you the fuck off so much you need to rage about it on /v/?
>>332539948
It's easy to make Ridley playable, as many people over the last 15 years have shown, the only reason Sakurai won't is because "If he can't fly forever and be super-powerful then he's no longer Ridley", which is laughable seeing all of the characters who lost character traits when put on the roster, like Ganondorf being invincible to everything but the Silver/Light Arrow and the Master Sword but now a Jigglypuff can whomp his ass.
>>332540656
because the only reason pm even happened was because brawl was a piece of shit, so people get offended by the notion that smash 4 "needs" a pm
>>332540756
I don't give a fuck what smash 4 players think, they like shallow games. PM was a complex game with depth, while Sm4sh is just functional. Who cares what those people think anyway, as soon as they play PM 4 Smash they'll have fun like their shallow minded selves will.
>>332540709
>stages
can they fucking port over Yoshi's Island Brawl, Prism Tower, Tortimer Island, and Arena Ferrox already
>>332533831
>Yet /v/ is still better.
you're like a beaten wife at this point.
>>332531813
Even in Mario 64 Bowser looked better. In Melee he looks like oily peace of shit. Melee in general looks like that, like a bunch of crappy plastic toys. Say what you want about the game, but it looked just awful.
>>332540882
>PMfag unable to like more than a single game
typical
>>332539085
Brawl might have been hideously unbalanced, but buggy? I don't think I agree with that. There were some really interesting ATs in Brawl. Had they just increased the hitstun and nerfed MK I think Brawl would still have been played by many more and there'd be no reason for PM to exist.
Same thing with Smash 4, really. Increase hitstun and balance characters a little. That's all I ask for.
>>332540913
They'll do that with the NX port.
>>332532498
>Implying Capcom and Square Enix won't shut that down the moment the first news about it are out.
>>332540847
That's nothing like Bowser.
staymad
>>332540995
I like melee.
I just don't like games that are shallow, because unlike a child I don't swim in kiddy pools.
>>332540709
I need the fucking corneria stage ported over
I cant get my fix
>>332540986
Was meant for >>332536114 but whatever, still applies.
>>332541048
>I like Melee and Melee 2.0
good shit champ
Sm4shfags, are you sure you don't want Smash 4 to be faster paced and have advanced tech..?
>>332540882
>Who cares what those people think anyway, as soon as they play PM 4 Smash they'll have fun like their shallow minded selves will
*tips fedora*
>>332541029
>no rebuttal, just "hurr u mad"
You're the one throwing a shitfit over DK, don't project your anger onto me because I want DK to follow canon like Sakurai said he always does.
Why is sm4sh final destination so horrible looking?
Also why is the music specific to sm4sh so bad? Like, how did they take such a step down from brawl.
>>332541138
you know what game had a lot of advanced tech? brawl
>>332541115
>I like Melee, and Melee with more Advanced Tech, More Stages, More Music, More Characters, More Balance, More Matchups, More Game Modes, More Fun.
Yeah.
Why is the second Melee a bad thing?
>>332541138
The entire reason anyone plays Sm4sh is because they don't want to learn a fast and technical game.
Even ZeRo said he's not going to bother learning Bidoof tech.
>>332541138
I like the medium pace 4 has.
Some people like fast games like basketball, some people like slow games like golf. Some people like something in the middle like soccer.
Faster isn't inherently better. It's just a preference.
>>332527819
It's my game, I'll play it how I damn well please
>>332541210
Brawl had a pretty god tier soundtrack, pretty much the only thing in which it is superior to all the other games in the franchise
>>332541138
I just want actual momentum and maybe that thing from melee where you have one airdodge that moves you a bit
>>332541216
False equivalence.
>>332541250
>The entire reason anyone plays Sm4sh is because they don't want to learn a fast and technical game.
I thought the entire reason was that it has more characters.
>>332541282
>Medium pace
???????? Are we talking about the same game ????????
>>332541187
I gave you the rebuttal. It is not like Bowser. Then i commented on you being anally rampaged over Bowser's sound effects in Sm4sh, whereas I'm very happy with both Bowser and DK's sound effects in Sm4sh.
So yes, staymad.
>>332541138
If I wanted fast pace and advanced tech then I would play Mavhel
And Mavhel is a game which seems to be a very thin line between bad design or good balance.
>>332541219
It's not, I love PM
I love Smash 4 too, though - the bad thing here is how sad and close-minded you are
It's such a shame that PM is dying. The game is fucking fun as fuck. I still think it's the best for-fun Smash game out there. Hell, Stamina mode in PM is a godsend alone and the auto L-cancel and frame buffers allow pretty much anyone to pull off some really neat combos.
All the characters, costumes and stages are wonderful as well. They really poured a lot of love into making that shit. Fuck you, GimR.
>>332541354
>???????? Are we talking about the same game ????????
Brawl is slow, Melee is fast. 4 is in between.
That's medium.
>>332541282
>I like the medium pace 4 has.
>medium pace 4 has
No, 64 is medium pace. The only game slower than 4 is brawl, but that's obscenely slow.
>>332541364
>Mahvel
>Advanced Tech
>Fast paced.
Smash4fags should never talk about real fighting games.
>>332541383
Yeah, I will close my mind off to simple games, because they're for children.
>>332541354
>False equivalence.
you were the one trying to assert that more advanced techs is inherently better
>>332541358
You like them making generic dinosaur sounds instead of their canon Mario sounds because you can't stop dreaming of Scooby-Doo whenever you hear them. Seems you're the one with the problem.
>>332526613
>second video is just an example of vanilla Smash 4
>>332541443
>64 is medium pace
>>332541282
>I like the medium pace 4 has.
>played with two stocks
>competitive matches still take as long or longer than Melee or 64 competitive matches
That's the slowest pace in the series really. Even Brawl was three stocks.
5mash is going to be one stock, starting off at 60%
>>332541454
>Mavhel
>Not advanced Tech
>Not Fast paced
Is this what Melee fags are like? Having no clue of what they are talking about
>>332541443
Speed doesn't have anything to do with it.
I'd say 64 is about the same speed as Smash 4, if not slower. But, 64 has actual combo game due to the ridiculous hitstun and is fun to play, whereas Smash 4 has one or two go-to combos for every character and is incredible stale to play after some hours. I don't think either of them are very good competitive games though. But, 64 is definitely the better choice, even if it's slower.
>Smash thread
>it turns into another shitty "MY GAME IS BETTER" autistic shitfling
why is this fanbase so fucking garbage?
>>332541529
You're a bit slow aren't you?
Nothing you just said relates in any way to anything we've said so far.
>>332541550
The order of the characters in the select screen is different
new Mario alt
>>332541441
How is 4 in between? I'm serious, I hear people say this stuff all the time, since before release, but it's not even faster than Brawl. Unless Icies or Snake is involved, but you can make the same case for Rosa and Mac or Pac. Is it just placebo?
>>332541620
I think people are confusing speed with APM or something. Just because Melee has StarCraft tier APM doesn't mean every other game is slow. Mahvel is very fast paced and chaotic, but Melee has much higher APM.
>>332541454
>Yeah, I will close my mind off to simple games, because they're for children.
You sound really cool
>get melee running on dolphin
>open it every once in awhile
>movement feels stiff as fuck, think my controller is broken for awhile until I realize it's just the game
>no matter how long I practice it feels like I'm playing with a near broken 10$ third party controller
>talk about it in one of the daily melee threads and people tell me it took them weeks to be able to consistently do basic movement options
this is why people play sm4sh instead of melee desu
>>332541564
The stock count thing is still heavily debated to this day and is hardly a unanimous decision.
Brawl also goes to time way more than S4 does in a 3 stock match.
>>332541657
Welcome to /v/.
>>332541720
Just compare any framedata or movespeed and its faster already, and the game has gotten faster since release
What are you on about?
>>332541692
Isn't this discussion about the sounds those two characters make and how you hate DKs canon sounds because you think he's scooby-Doo? That's exactly what you said upthread. I think you're retarded for it and would prefer their actual voices and not random sounds from 50's monster movies.
>>332541657
>amalgamation of fanbases
>on /v/
You're a dumb ass, Charlie Brown.
>>332541841
Almost nothing on /v/ is as bad as Smash threads, there's always some Melee/Smash4/PM/whatever faggot getting incredibly defensive about their fucking game
>>332541836
>The stock count thing is still heavily debated to this day
There's maybe 1% of tournaments that use three stock. Every major does 2 stock and 90% of locals do as well. It's about as debated as Customs at this point.
>>332541564
That's because characters are more durable.
Doom isn't slow paced just because the cyberdemon has a lot of health.
>>332541816
In order to play Melee at a high level, you need a lot of practice. It's still the best game out of them all, since it's just as good of a party game as the others, it just has that extra layer of depth.
But, you're still a false-flagging faggot, anon.
>>332541985
All of Europe uses 3 stock, and there's multiple states in the US picking it up now
Brawl's 3 stock was the mistake, not Smash 4's
>>332542042
>Meleefag in charge of being able to read
basic movement shouldn't cost weeks to learn
>>332541860
the average frame data is in smash 4 is much worse than it is in brawl. It's a big reason why despite shields being technically the weakest they've ever been you don't see much shield pressure and why most characters only have 1-2 moves that are actually safe on shield
>>332526613
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvNDYE60wyM
i don't get it, what about this is melee like movement?
>>332541878
No, we're talking about how:
1. Bowser's monster noises suit him well and always have.
2. Donkey Kong's ape noises suit him well and always have.
You're just a Ridleyfag whining about how Sakurai didn't put Ridley in because of canon reasons but then didn't use canon voices, which are shit anyway and it's better off that he didn't use them. At this point I'm just going to treat you like all Riddlers and ignore your autism.
>>332541860
Mostly the slow pace of the matches. The optimal play is usually to run up and shield, then roll behind and dtilt/grab, or roll away. Or shieldgrab if they attack your shield, then get your grab combo for like 15% and go back to neutral.
>>332539235
DA-HEE-EE.
>>332542042
>In order to play Melee at a high level, you need a lot of practice
you missed the part where I said "basic movement options". I'm not saying anything about the game at a competitive level, I'm just saying that the entry barrier is ludicrously high.
>>332542135
Basic movement doesn't cost any time. If you're not capable of pulling of BASIC movements in Melee, you are actually a retard. The game has a fucking 3+ rating, anon. Every kid could play this game, yet you can't?
>>332542219
stop playing on for glory or watching games from 2014
>>332541760
I doubt they are
>tfw you will be playing smash bros wii u pm emulated on pc within 1-2 years
>tfw you didn't buy a pii u
>>332541841
>>332541657
>>332541895
It's not just /v/. Smash fanbase in general is garbage. There was even a huge fucking argument of Melee vs Smash 4 on
It got quickly overwritten by MacD's sexual assault though.
>>332542263
the implication is that just pressing right and left and jump isn't the basic movement any more, but i'm sure you got that and just wanted to be pedantic
>>332542398
>It's not just /v/. Smash fanbase in general is garbage.
No shit. You've got like fifty fanbases all together.
Fucking blockhead.
>>332533831
>>top shitposters literally insulting people
kek check this faggot out, he can´t handle the banter
>>death threats to SJW
Its not as SJW don´t make death threats all the time. And so? They are not on /v/.
>>can't accept other newfags entering their boards
Lurk more nigger.
>>secret club
Maybe back in 2007.
>everyone is friendly, trying to help each other out
Pffffft hahahaha.
>best quality
Its literatly half of shit like "check this drawing my sister made pls upboat" and then little actual discusion. /v/ says all the time its not about videogames, yet many other sites are way worse.
>healthy scene and good overall environment
Pffffft hahahaha.
>>332542398
>It got quickly overwritten by MacD's sexual assault though.
Okay, what was this all about? I saw Leffen mentioning something MacD said, but what was it? Give me the gossip.
>>332536114
The model looks much better in game.
>>332542194
It's probably just the moves they're focusing on at the moment, since Project M had to do some assembly hacking to get the physics to be close to Melee.
>>332542314
I watched around 30 seconds of this, and saw run up shield into attack like 10 times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C75YxoHB_Q8
Less rolling than I expected in that time frame, but still. Every match I watch with zero is walling out with fairs, run up shield, and rolling. The best player in this game rolls like 50 times in a 2 stock match.
>>332542027
No it's because racking up damage is slower, and kill options are about as limited as movement options.
>>332542069
>Europe
They're barely even relevant in Melee where they make up a third of the top 6 players. Also European majors like Dreamhack and Beast use two stock anyway. It's a settled matter.
>>332542492
>line by line quoting
>Pffffffft hahahaha.
this isn't gamefaqs any more
>>332526613
A bit off topic but I like how managed to fix the CSS.
What's nice is that it actually follows the organization it used to have before the DLC shit. All the series with multiple characters go in chronological order, as do the single rep series in between the gaps.
Mario extended universe (1981)
The Legend of Zelda (1986)
Metroid (1986)
Kid Icarus (1986)
Mother (1989)
Fire Emblem (1990)
Kirby (1992)
Star Fox (1993)
Pokémon (1996)
Game & Watch (1980)
Punch-Out!! (1984)
Duck Hunt (1984)
R.O.B. (1985)
F-Zero (1990)
Animal Crossing (2001)
Pikmin (2001)
Wii Fit (2007)
Xenoblade Chronicles (2010)
That being said he kinda messed up with the third parties at the end. Bayonetta should be at the very end and Ryu should be before Mega Man, and Cloud should be after him.
Pac-Man (1980)
Ryu (August 1987)
Mega Man (December 17 1987)
Final Fantasy (December 18 1989)
Sonic the Hedgehog (1991)
Bayonetta (2009)
>>332542561
>I watched around 30 seconds of this, and saw run up shield into attack like 10 times.
Something is wrong with your eyes then
>Void and Pink Fresh
>Best player
Soon every game will have a Melee mod! Everyone will be able to play a Smash Melee clone!
And when every game's Melee...none of them will be...
>>332542194
It's not, it's just showing that you can edit character movesets now like changing IASA frames, landing lag, attack angles, knockback etc etc
It's just similar to Melee Marth in the sense that can double fair, his dair isn't complete garbage, his uthrow doesn't send retardedly high, dash attack sends behind him and stuff like that.
>>332542602
This is one of the things that bug me the most about the character select screen. Why the fuck aren't the characters grouped together based on origin?
>>332542602
>Final Fantasy (December 18 1989)
Meant 1987 there oops
>>332542602>No Mii Fighters
why
>>332542712
I'm waiting for the 64 mod desu with full polygon models, hitstun, 64 tech, super fast spikes, proper Yoshi eggs, etc
PM has skins of it but that was just PM with 64 skins.
>>332542561
that's interesting because the first stock is gone within 30 seconds and the match it over in 2 mins 20 seconds, which is faster than a lot of Melee matches (even if you'd extrapolate that to 3 stocks)
>>332542493
Supposedly MacD sexually assaulted someone in the Sky House and Sky knew about it and didn't try to stop it or some shit like that. I only actually skimmed the post before it got taken down so I don't know 100% which MacD did.
