People don't really care about how good or deep a game is if the trim is all there.

See: Bioshock Infinite

>>332500298
What are the blue and red circles suppose to mean?

Sakurai always intended this series to be a party game (and I'm for competitive play and even Sakurai should be for that more in the future) and Smash 4 did a better job of that compared to Brawl with actual balance patches and stuff like random tripping being gone.

The majority of people don't give a shit because it is a party brawler. Only autistic faggots exploit a party game to try and make it "competitive".

>>332500298
this >>332500460

Sakurai is a talented game designer but he makes some dumb decisions, like specifically aiming at casuals even though the first two games had broad appeal, just because that's his original vision.

>>332500527
Street Fighter wasn't originally meant to be a tournament game either, but people liked that II accidentally introduced combos and Capcom embraced that utility of the game series.

>>332500527
>>332500595
Also Chess is another competitive game that wasn't originally made for tournament play. Hell even soccer was originally just kicking around a ball to a goal.

>>332500460
Blue means pre-SSB4, red means SSB4.
There's a common theme between all of them, though.

>>332500298
Melee was never intended to be competitive.

>>332500527
>exploit a game
Except Sakurai intentionally put in mechanics like L-canceling.

A game with depth can be fun at multiple levels. You know, like Melee?

>>332500678
Is it that they all have a counter?

Also Lucina being red is questionable since her moveset is an actual factual clone of a pre-SSB4 character.

>>332500738
>Except Sakurai intentionally put in mechanics like L-canceling.


Yet he was so disgusted with what you fags did to his game he purposely cucks you until the day he retires.

>>332500734
It wasn't meant to be competitive, but unlike Brawl it wasn't intentionally watered down for casuals either.

>>332500796
Yeah, it's all counters.
And it doesn't matter whether she's a clone. She still took up development time and is yet another character with a counter.

>>332500734
But it ended up being accessible to both normal players and competitive players.

>>332501050
Not him but while I understand the concern, and all generally acknowledge that Brawl was more "casual," compared to Melee, Smash 4 at the very least showed he does want to improve at catering towards the competitive side more in comparison to that game. It's not perfect, but it's a clear improvement over the previous installment, and something they can keep working on for future installments.

>>332501182
Yeah. but I don't know what they were thinking with that not-good ground movement. My only guess is it has to do with allowing the turning attack thing, but there has to be a more elegant way to do that.

>>332500372
Well that's the problem with Smash 4 innit

The trim isn't all there

Smash Tour sucks farts
Classic mode is gutted
Target Test is gutted
Events suck

I could probably excuse the main mode lacking if the singleplayer content made up for it. But it don't.

>>332500298
The fact of the matter is that without air dodging, Melee wouldn't be as praised as it is today about how competitive and high skill ceiling it is.