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What were they thinking?
Fucking triggered
What were they thinking?
>>332462013
Corrupted dolls
>>332462252
Cute
>>332462013
Use shield or the 100 drinks for it you find laying around
>>332462196
And messengers. Because the nightmare is Micolash' dream, and it seems like every dream needs a doll.
>>332463034
And instead of offering to make you stronger with blood, they try to kill you by giving insight
>>332463531
I don't think they're actually trying to kill you, I think it's an accidental side effect. I forget where exactly, but I distinctly remember a description mentioning that "Old Ones are sympathetic by nature" and just want to help, but our fleshy mortal bodies can't really handle their help.
>>332463859
Then perhaps they offer you insight, inadvertantly killing you. Either way it's a cool contrast
>>332463012
>Use shield or the 100 drinks for it you find laying around
What sub-human post is this?
>>332462013
why are they called winter lanterns?
>>332464106
Wait, does the shield stop the winter lanterns? If so then fuuuuuuuuu
>>332463012
The drink sucks because you have to stand fucking still to use it and by the time you do they have either grabbed you or already gotten you back up with frenzy.
There are 12 Souls threads on /v/ right now. This is getting Pokemon levels of retarded.
Stop carying so much insight, dicklips
>>332464582
Popular games always turn out like this during release time, it'll die down.
>>332462013
" haha, fuck 'em"
Pro-Tip: Kill them with poison knives.
It takes a while but its faster than getting killed.
>>332462013
There's something even worse in DaS3
>>332462013
I want to fuck it, the singing actually gets me hard as fuck.
It's a great concept and I love their unsettling singing. The only problem is how long the frenzy bar continues filling up after you've already killed them.
Even with the highest frenzy resist gear in the game and no insight, you'll still either have to chug a sedative or just take the frenzy damage. I farmed those fuckers a whole lot and it's just silly how long the bar keeps filling up.
You can use the parry exploit to avoid the damage, but there's a fucking problem when you can't kill an enemy without using an item, taking a huge chunk of damage, or using an exploit.
>>332464582
>LOL WE SHOULD JUST MAKE A BOARD FOR EVERY POPULAR GAME XD
kill yourself
>>332465038
You can just use a blue elixir and they can't see you, then just fully charge R2 to knock them down if you need to kill 'em.
>>332462013
god i find the brain trust to be the creepiest monsters in the game. Especially sine the brain is made out of dead messengrs
>>332464582
>MUH GENERALS
>>>/vg/
>>332464774
Even when the hype dies down, there's always a minimum of 3 or 4 souls related threads at a time.
>>332465884
>Use Blue Elixir
>Winter Lanterns STILL home on you like mosquitos
>>332466028
Man, I would play the fuck out of a 2D SoulsBorne game. Not S&S, actual Souls or Bloodborne. I've always felt like they have a very Castlevania style of gameplay.
>>332466028
It's called a Winter Lanters, faggot.
>>332467442
So you are just looking for a brand name so you can get excited? Kinda dumb.
>>332462013
literally just went to get the blood rock, such BS. Can't stagger their grab either, granted im using blades of mercy
>>332467724
How is it dumb? I like the universe, I like the lore, I like the contents of the Souls games. I want to see it make a transition to 2D gameplay. I think it would work well. What's dumb about that?
>>332462013
These enemies are parry tutorials and nothing more.
They only have one attack and can't damage you if you visceral them at the right time.
>>332467893
>can't stagger their grab
just shoot them when their "arms" are fully widened
and if you're really having problems, just put on the most frenzy resistant hunter garb and the anti-frenzy rune.
>>332468259
>They only have one attack and can't damage you if you visceral them at the right time.
yes and if you fuck up you will most likely die due to frenzy
>>332467925
Your acceptance of Bloodborne shows you are open to new universes and lore, but you apparently reject Salt. A game that borrows heavily from Souls games and does its own thing with it. I say it is dumb because if your brand loyalism wasn't getting in the way you probably would have rejected Bloodborne on the same principle.
>>332467893
You can stagger their grab with 2-handed weapons like the kirkhammer and holyblade
>>332468442
then don't fuck up
>>332468586
I don't, they're easy to kill with the kirkhammer anyway, as are the bloodlickers
You know if you have really high insight their signing goes even more out of tune?
>>332468415
>>332468547
Using BoM and Augur of Eb in place of a firearm. all good tho
>>332466028
demake when?
>>332464438
Man, why couldn't this kind of stuff be insight effects?
I can't believe they littered the entire game with statues in various gradual states of creepy morphs and DIDN'T tie it into insight. They're so out of place as they are.
So much wasted potential.
>>332468442
Shit only takes off 80% of your health no matter what.
It takes a lot of work to run into more than one of them. I only did because I was farming for some 19% physical gems before chalice dungeons.
>>332469230
It's really disappointing how short the list of insight triggers is.
>>332469593
>Shit only takes off 80% of your health no matter what.
Yes anon, but their grab and bite does damage too.
They're not hard to kill at all once you understand how they work. I was just pointing out that they can be intimidating when you first encounter them. I haven't died to a winter lantern in like 9 months.
>>332469951
I know, but I'm saying that as long as you aren't hit by their insanely slow and telegraphed bite and grab and only suffer the incidental frenzy buildup from their spooky dicksucking song, you won't die.
>>332468783
bullshit. really?
>>332468539
Not him but S&S is fucking shit anyway.
I never noticed that their giant heads were made out of Messengers before. I did see that the underside of those squid things in the Nightmare Frontier were covered in Messengers though.
I thought maybe the implication was supposed to be that this is why the Messengers are on your side. Like the item lore talks about how the Messengers worship the Hunters, but don't ever say why. I suppose that if the Messengers are on the bottom of the food chain of the Nightmare realms then it would make sense that they'd try to help and/or idolize guys that go around slaying Nightmare monsters.
>>332464480
That's why you kill them before you use the sedative.
>>332470192
Yup
>>332464314
Because summer lanterns were on vacation
>>332468259
>parry tutorials
>only show up towards the end of the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQoqR4CKzBM
>>332468539
Not him, but I love the idea of a 2D Souls game, but I don't want to play Salt & Sanctuary because I really can't stand the art style and I wasn't crazy about The Dishwasher.
>>332463859
Then why do they try to eat my fucking face off when they grab me?
>>332474039
But of course...I do love you.
>>332466294
Poor baby
>>332467442
S&S is as close as you will likely get, and it's pretty good. Is it just the art style that puts you off?
I could understand if so, I thought it looked tacky but it grew on me after a few hours.
>>332474180
So, the Winter Lantern Doll is just Tsundere?
So who's the Moon Presence?
>>332475542
Just some squid nigger
What were they thinking?
>>332472718
>tfw that's mergo's lullaby
>>332475542
Nyarlathotep
laaa laaa laa laaaa
>>332476774
Well I'd be damned
>>332475542
kawaii big tittied animu
>>332465850
They did, it's called /vg/ and the constant spamming generals go there.
>>332462013
Why where the last two bosses so easy? I'm talking about that howling doll/puppet and the wet nurse I beat'e both first try hardly even used items.
>>332462013
>What would 999 insight look like?
>>332462013
If their meter didn't persist they wouldn't be a threat.
>>332474039
just trying to give you tender kisses
>>332462013
>not parrying the grab
How about you try for once in your life?
What the fuck were they thinking
>>332463859
That's from the Moon rune. But the Brain of Mensis gives the third tier of that, along with the Living String, with says:
>The immense brain that Mensis retrieved from the nightmare was indeed lined with eyes on the inside, but they were of an evil sort, and the brain itself was terrible rotten.
So it appears it's more like these things are evil shits, but if you best them, and seek out their power, they won't reject you. Probably why Micolash could house a gigantic evil as shit Old One in his nightmare.
>>332478793
Any webms of their freakout run?
>>332478793
GOTTA GO FAST WAY PAST COOL CHILI DOGS
>>332479139
I thought the brain of mensis was a physical manifestation of all the collective consciousnesses of the mensis scholars that had so much insight it became a genuine old one.
The giant space centipedes evoke some primal fear in me, because I'll be damned if they don't make me freeze up every goddamn time I see one, despite how easy they are to dispatch.
>"Ayy lmao."
What did it mean by this?
>>332479501
They can hide on the ceilings in hallways in Chalice Dungeons
>>332479739
RED SUN OVER PARADISE
>>332479249
don't got any but they remind me of that one gif from the horror movie mama.
>>332468539
I tried to play it, but I couldn't stomach the shit art and the gameplay wasn't good enough for it.
Doesn't help that its attempt at environmental story telling was terrible, at least what I played.
>>332479780
Boy am I fucking glad I didn't do many Chalice Dungeons. It was bad enough the few that were just sitting around that open garden area in some of them.
I think I would literally scream like a 14 year old girl if one dropped on me from the ceiling, maybe throw the controller even.
ding ding, ding ding
Is there a webm of the red spider door?
>>332480447
Does it have to be a webm? Just go to Youtube.
>>332480237
he's coming
Jesus fucking Christ I despise these things, I loved every second of Bloodborne except for these fuckers.
Fuck them.
What exactly happened in lower Yahar'gul?
People are melted into the walls and shit, people in poses engulfed in white fire in the streets
>>332478467
The grab isn't the issue it's that you need to rune for frenzy resist or the bar just keeps on going.
>>332479463
DEEPEST LORE
>>332483462
The scythe ones are easy. The ones that use a corpse as a great sword are a fucking pain.
>>332483075
Mensis ritual to manifest a Great One using corpses and sacrifices, everyone either died or went crazy.
>>332483581
The corpse wielding madmen are worse. But the worst of all are the small chance that boss monsters can spawn as normal mobs. Even the fucking watchdog
>>332484142
I'm pretty sure that happens if you kill something with a visceral attack in that room.
>>332484142
>exploring chalice dungeon
>end up in courtyard with mage centipedes in every corner
>leave a few alive and move on to the next room
>hit the switch and head back
>come out in the courtyard but can't hear the centipedes for some reason
>NPC who was dungeoneering with me suddenly gets attacked by hounds
>turn to my left
>keeper of the old lords strutting towards me
>immediately hear battle music in my head
Such a great moment.
>>332484409
Cainhurst ticks appear when you kill something with a visceral or Backstab
Quick, post weaponfus.
>>332485198
As long as you don't spin2win too much the transformed moveset is fun as fuck
>>332485350
>tfw I wanted this but could never be bothered to get it
>>332485198ayy lmao
>>332484142
>tfw I died20+times to this boss on Defiled
Oh God...
>>332485434
Shaman blades my man
>>332478793
They're not so bad, it's the naked fatasses that roll around faster than you can get away with instant hit giant hitboxes that suck.
>>332483462
This is hilarious and spooky at the same time
>>332483462
>vilebloods running from a ghost
typical
>>332485350
Probably the most fun weapon for me.
>>332485764
>the spin2win button changes into a different attack depending on your last r1 or r2
I fucking love it. I had a bit of fun with it in pvp but I didn't dive too deep. Them stabs my man.
>>332484142
Agreed, I'm fucking horrible at parrying them, the normal ones are so much easier.
>>332484409
>>332485041
This is interesting, I was wondering what causes them to appear. I noticed before that they will also disappear after awhile automatically.
Pic related, they were there, I went into another room to get chalice materials or pull a lever or something, came back a few minutes later and they were gone.
>couldn't have BB threads in the past because the shitposting was too powerful
>can discuss it finally
thank christ, I started it just a day ago and finally up to the old university of mensis or whatever it is
axe is weaponfu, simplistic and practical
>>332462116
>tfw you thought it would be a good reed
>half of the book are just boring love stories without spookums
>the rest of it is just "he was okay but then he read the book and went crazy and done some crazy shit"
>>332485041
Yeah, I knew those spawned, and I stopped doing that once I realized it. I didn't know if other enemies spawned more rarely as well.
>>332486251
dumb frogposter
>>332467442
What's S&S?
>>332466294
Are you upset that people are talking about a videogame series on a videogame board?
>>332485883
That move can catch a lot of opponents off guard.
I went to sakuracon recently, and the only Plain Doll cosplayer there was a man.
I don't know how to feel about this.
>>332486219
Axe was my first love
>DS3 seems to have faster combat a bit like BB but still has its classic sword and shield combat
>>332483462
They're spooky, but parrying make everything a joke in this game and that's sad.
>>332462196
These things are dolls? Every hunter has a waifu?
>>332486786
I'd argue they both look too 'clean' but looks good
>Went to PAX once and found a qt Drakengard 3 Zero cosplayer
>was lesbian
rip my dreams
>>332485198
Whirligig saw. Every single opportunity to get one hit in becomes two hits because of its insane stagger.
>>332486707
The spin2win or the stabs? I always seemed to whittle down my opponents with the stabs to the point where I was surprised I won.
>>332462013
>What were they thinking
Mostly "La la laaa~~".
On another note.
>Game hands you sedatives and blue elixirs throughout 60% of the game and the 2nd armour set is the most Frenzy resistant.
>HURR SUCH BAD GAME DESIGN WHAT WERE THEY THINKING WHEN THEY MADE THESE MOBS, MUH ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY!!
>>332486473
Salt and Sanctuary.
>>332484751
keeper is a regular enemy. In root chalices Bloodstarved beast, abhorrent beast, and I think a few others can simply appear as a patrolling enemy.
>>332485487
>nailing someone in pvp with the tricked L2
I've gotten so much hatemail.
>>332486473
Salt and Sanctuary. Ignore the shitposters, it's actually a really good Metroidvania-style Soulsborne. It's got amazing level design and tight gameplay, a fairly original story (which is told in Souls style, though snips of dialogue and item/enemy descriptions), and plenty of variety in playstyles. The devs (of which there are only two) captured the feeling of danger and "just a little more then I'll go back to the bonfire" of Souls while maintaining the curiosity and need to explore of Metroidvanias. The art style was mentioned, and while I didn't mind it, that's a subjective point. The major set pieces look fine and they laid the bloom on a little thick; the backgrounds could use a little more detail but overall I thought the game's look meshed with its style. The music is very barebones, I will admit (I recall 3, maybe 4 tracks other than ambient noise), but I think it's a little more forgivable as the devs obviously couldn't spread their assets too thin and chose to focus on gameplay and level design, which more than make up for the negatives. One last thing is that the leveling system can feel a little restrictive coming from Souls as it opts for a skill tree with nodes that give stat points and other things rather than selecting stats directly. I could go on, but I'm sure there are plenty more qualified people to write an actual review of the game.I didn't mean for this to end up being a mini-review in the first place, I just wanted to provide an alternative viewpoint to the negative ones earlier in the thread.
>>332487148
>Abhorrent Beast
that shitty chalice dungeon where you had to fight him in that tiny room made me so mad.
>>332476306
>left arm longer than the right
Deepest lore
>>332487196
kek so many people don't ever give the parasite a chance because of it's weird ass moveset and low attack power. They never realize it's insane damage multipliers and hyper-armor.
>>332487439
You should see the Pontiff rings in DaS3
>>332487283
No no, thanks for all the info. What's it for though? I checked google and I'm getting PS4, PSVitas and Windows, but i can't find a download or purchase for a Windows version.
>>332487404
lower loran, yeah that room sucks and also is used for the headless bloodletting beast in ihyll
>>332485198
You already posted it laddy
I would fuck the scythe form of the church pick if it were a woman
>>332487634
PS4 currently, PC and Vita release sometime in July? Maybe June, no set date yet.
>>332485350
Elegance of a rapier and the edgyness of a Katana.
Why am I so conflicted?
>>332486806
And it has the same feeling weapons.
FUCK I MISS BLOODBORNE'S WEAPONS
SO
FUCKING
MUCH
I love you Bloodborne baby, when I'm done with DaS3 I'm replaying the fuck out of you
>>332487748
I just tell myself it's a cutlass with a knife. Goes well with my fancy confederate fashion.
>>332487508
yeah I didn't understand what as going on. I only upgraded it to +7 to test it out and it was doing massive damage despite supposedly only having like 40-50 physical damage. In reality it was 1-2 hitting enemies in NG+
>>332487404
>>332487641
You gotta admit, though, the atmosphere in that fight was fucking awesome. The electricity swirling, the music, everything. I used Hunter's Bone at the end of the fight on my BoM character and it was hype as shit.
Do you have to be NG+ to get summoned for NG+ co oping? I'm 104 and can't find a good spot, is it just ded?
>>332487901
Abhorrent beast is a great boss because he's so aggressive, I just don't like the room.
>>332487746
Thank you, Friend. I'll try to get a hold of it when i have the excess money.
PROS AND CONS OF BLOODBORNE
>Cons
Brain bitches
Chalice dungeons were so fucking bad and repetitive
Spider forest was pretty lame
>Pros
Everything else
Did i miss anything?
>>332488029
No problem. It's like $18, so hopefully you can pick it up sometime. I honestly just bought it to kill time until DS3 and ended up liking it just as much as any Souls game.
>>332488079
>>332488079
Spider forest? Byrgenworth?
>>332462013
FRENZY METER RAISING
>>332488079
>Cons
Filthy Vilebloods
>Pros
Glorious Executioners
>>332487045
The ashen hunter set isn't the 2nd armor set.
>>332488175
Fuck i meant snake forest
>>332488079
>spider forest
you mean snek woods?
>>332488079
They could have done a LOT more with Insight.
Also I didn't mind snake woods, it was kind offunto get lost in.
>>332488238
The Ashen Hunter Set have more Frenzy resist than the Hunter Set? Shit I didn't know that.
>>332488215
>best waifus
>best NPCs
>best Bosses
>most fun bosses
>best area
>gods want our blood waifus
>don't want filthy church blood
>>332488363
Yep, but IIRC there's like 1 or 2 other random pieces of armor that have slightly higher frenzy res than the ashen hunter ones. I think it was doll gloves or some other female armor.
>>332488261
Boring as shit, but great for grinding. And once you figure out where the shortcut is you can just sprint through the level and skip straight to the ring wraiths.
>>332485198
These were worth all of the hassle it took to speed my way up to that Cathedral hunter faggot. Actually I just killed Eileen cause that bitch was on her way out anyway.
>>332488447
ALL OF THAT TAKEN AWAY BY MY WHEEL
HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL
>>332488079
>tfw I actually liked and enjoyed the CDs
But I agree the first 2 sucked dick. Depth 5 FRC chalices are fun and brutal
>>332487820
>You will never experience the feeling of trying out a new trick weapon
It hurts man
How to git gud with wheel?
>>332488605
Instead we get a uh
Weapon art
I guess
Fucking useless fucks
I think the Chalice dungeons are pretty samey and they needed more area variety but holy shit I love the architecture.
It's like some unholy lovechild of european and ancient mesoamerican shit, it's great.
>>332488626
Hunter bone + Wheel. Seriously it's pretty retarded.
>>332488521
>thinking you can kill the queen
>mfw yfw you wheel can't get your gods to want your waifus, they only want pure 100% certified Vileblood wombs
>>332488215
>Cons
"Elite" group of executioners led crazy old man and closet homosexual
>Pros
Honorable Cainhurst
>>332488673
I agree it needed more variety. Shame that it only really gets fun at depth 4 and lower.
Here's to hoping for Bloodborne 2 with new and improved Chalice dungeons
>>332488665
You're retarded
>Executioners and Vilebloods fighting
The confederates will rid the VERMIN from both of your FILTHY, ROTTEN corpses.
>>332487827
>japanese name
>>332488665
Well at least it makes BB unique. I will miss them though. I hope the fist weapons are good in DS3 or I'm just gonna jump into a lake.
>>332488673
The root chalices are interesting, and the higher level ones. It's just that you have to the normal ones because they drop all the ritual materials.
C&D Pthermeru is shit though
>>332488834
Nigga I don't care it looks more like a cutlass than a katana
>>332488761
>Bloodborne 2
>Impyling there will be anymore soulsborne
>>332488818
REAL CONFEDERATE HOURS
SMASH THAT MFing VERMIN
WHO DREAMING?
>>332488708
>100% certified Vileblood wombs
Is that why Analise still hasn't gotten raped, impregnated, and mindbroken by Oedon while some harlot has?
>>332488215
>>332488721
Both of you are wrong. Leaguebros are the best
>>332488926
>>332488761
Chalice dungeons were honestly absolute garbage. They were pure grinding and only 10% of them were enjoyable. The rest were a chore.
If I wanted to do nothing but mindlessly grind I'd play Diablo or Disgaea. I wouldn't mind them returning if there wasn't a bigger focus, you didn't have to grind for materials to do the root chalices, and gems didn't make a return, though. Randomly generate gem shit was garbage and killed the PvP.
>>332488917
I still believe anon. I want more Bloodborne
>People want more chalice dungeons
Fuck outta here.
>>332489093But anon, you can buy materials on NG+ now.
>>332489176
Yeah but you still have to spend a dozen hours grinding dungeons on every character for blood gems.
>>332487045
>2nd armor is the most Frenzy Resistant
I've fought them in Hunters gear. It's still "One glance fills your frenzy bar," so that's not much help.
>>332488509
You're thinking of the crow helm I believe?
>>332486943
they wear the same dress as the doll, and if you look closely at the head, its made out of messengers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9zxXN1rx0
Gehrman still holds the title of best Final boss sountrack
>>332462013
I've already said it before, but I really feel like they should change how Frenzy works in order for it to be less of a chore to deal with. Two changes:
1. Either reduce prices of Sedatives from 4,600 to 1,000. OR change its effects so that it gives you like 15-20 seconds of complete immunity from Frenzy build-up.
2. Frenzy build-up should stop when you kill the opponent that gives you Frenzy. And in the case of Mother Brain, it should stop the moment you hide behind an object.
If these two changes come into effect, I honestly wouldn't mind if Frenzy did as much damage as it does.
>>332489286
>>332489018
Confederates end up stuck in the hunter's nightmare, why would I want that?
If you like Bloodborne I genuinely hope you die painfully in real life.
>>332489501
I wish his line delivery sounded more regretful when he goes full reaper mode. I don't know why he sounded so insane and eager to fuck you up.
>>332489860
He's a fucking warrior deep down inside.
Even though he hates to hurt you, he's still got that warrior instinct inside him that loves the thrill of battle and shit.
>>332489934
Yeah, I guess you could see it as his old beasthood form his hunting days rearing it ugly head for his final battle. Excited for his final dance.
>>332489843
Did you die to the mob in the beginning, anon?
>>332489934
Imagine how much of a beast prime Gehrman was, back when he had both his legs and wasn't old as hell.
>>332489331
Yep, the crow helm has a ridiculous amount of frenzy res.
Beak mask + ashen hunter set gave me enough frenzy res to forgo sedatives most of the time even with 50 insight.
>>332490103
And both arms. He's basically Guts on steroids, just needs an eye out.
Someone care to educate me on what the dream is? Are people in the dream real? Why does Gerhman killing you release you from the dream and why was he crying? Its not his is it? Because when you kill Micolash doesn't the nightmare end? Is it like a playground where you can fuck things up forever? Does Gehrhman even die or does he just wake up?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RzA_Oomra8Only the Nameless King can hold a candle to Ludwig
Perfect boss fight
>>332489934
Fighting him in a Lady Maria cosplay makes the fight a bit more sad
>>332490103
We wouldn't win.
That honoring wishes trophy is just depressing because it's basically you and Gehrman fighting each other to the death so that one can "save" the other. Fuck if this was a movie the hunter would have said some cheesy as lines too
>>332490190
>FROM
>competent story
You expect the guys who made a contest to fan-fic their story have a solid plot?
>>332490205
I will never ever forget that transition into Ludwig the holy blade.
>MY GUIDING MOONLIGHT
Anyone else disappointed with how short, simple and small some of the areas are compared to Central Yharnam?
Lecture Building, Byrgenwerth, Upper Cathedral Ward and even Nightmare Frontier and Nightmare of Mensis are all short and small and simple compared to Central Yharnam.
Lecture Building takes like 3-4 minutes to casually stroll through. Byrgenwerth is just 4-5 bugs, a centipede, a brokenly overpowered NPC hunter and Rom.
Upper Cathedral Ward looks pretty and spooky on the outside, but once you get it, it's just a place with some werewolf variants and some annoying brainsuckers. You fight Celestial Emissary and literally walk 10 seconds to get to Ebrietas.
Nightmare Frontier is a relatively linear runway to Amygdala. It only looks big because of its open space nature. Otherwise, it is pretty short. The only hard part is getting the optional loot at the poison swamp. And the two Winter Lanterns.
Same with Nightmare of Mensis. It's a long Frenzy-filled walkway to Micolash and a shorter walkway to Mergo afterwards.
>>332489527
AS YOU ONCE DID FOR THE VACUOUS ROM
>>332490512
That's because Central Yharnam is the perfect example of a well thought out area.
It's fucking perfect.
>>332490459
>you will never have something so inspiring that can bring you back from madness
>>332490190
>The dream is an alternate dimension where
>Yes they are real
>Because it's the act of surrendering your "will" to him is what ultimately cuts you off from the dream and you wake up
>He's crying because he just wants off the damn dream, but he can't and won't because it's his duty and he doesn't want anyone else to suffer in his stead
>Killing the host doesn't end up destroying the dream
>I really don't know
>He dies.
>>332490595
I just wish that the other areas were either bigger and more complex OR interconnected to each other.
As it stands, all you do is just teleport to places like Lecture Building, Nightmare of Mensis and Nightmare Frontier.
They're all separate parts of the map. Not even physically connected to Central Yharnam at all.
So the least they could have done is make these places super complex and big, but instead, they're all just either really small or not as big and complex as they should have been.
>>332490162
Wait, what? Gehrman does have both his arms as far as I can tell.
>>332490849
To be fair, the nightmares and the lecture buildings don't exist on the same plane as Central Yharnam
>>332462013
Illythil jailors in the prison of DS3 are almost as bad if not worse.
Get ready for them to be posted non-stop.
>>332490895
He's wearing something that looks like a gauntlet, and his set does not have it.
Will bloodborn come to PC?
>>332490875
Is that Valtr at the bottom
>>332491023
No I don't think so
Alright /bbg/, let's brainstorm.
Improve the Hunter-on-Hunter boss fights for Bloodborne 2.Don't just remove visceraling them, use your brain.
>>332491039
Nah it's Dr. Faust
>>332490698
Alright so Gehrman was like a caretaker and then you take his place. Boy, I hope the old hunter dlc has some more info cause I'm still pretty lost on the beast, blood and tentacle monster shit.
>>332490941
Well, yes, I know that.
That's precisely why I think NF and LB could have been way bigger.
If they're connected to CY, it would have been much harder to make them more complex and bigger, because the devs would have had to find a way to connect those levels in a cohesive and realistic manner to CY.
But because it's separate, the devs have more liberties to go crazy. But I really feel like they blew most of their budget on CY and didn't have the time or money to do as much work on these later areas.
>>332491082
What
The hunter on hunter fights are already perfect.
Gascoigne is a perfect boss for what he's meant to do.
>>332491023
It was a title commissioned by Sony, with help from their Japan Studio. It's not coming any time soon.As a primary PC gamer I'm OK with that, they paid for it, it's their business.Plus I'm way behind on my weeb games so I was going to get a PS4 eventually.
>>332491082
The Hunter-on-Hunter boss fights are fine. Okay, maybe Maria is a bit too easy. Maybe you can give her ways to counter any attempts at counter-rolling her attacks.
But it's the Hunter NPCs that are bullshit. They're the ones who should be fixed.
>>332491082
That picture makes me want to know about Micolash during his student days.
And Byrgenwerth in general before EVERYTHING WENT TO SHIT
>>332490380
>That honoring wishes trophy is just depressing because it's basically you and Gehrman fighting each other to the death so that one can "save" the other. Fuck if this was a movie the hunter would have said some cheesy as lines too
It never dawned on me until now that "Honoring Wishes" is the player literally honoring Gehrman's wish to die and be freed from the dream.
>>332491082
>/bbg/
I think that's a compliment to /v/.
>>332491082
A 3rd phase where they are invulnerable to guns. Or just make the parry window smaller. That's pretty much it. All of the hunter boss fights were fun as fuck if you didn't actively try to parry them
>>332491098
It gave a bit more backstory for some characters and gave more info on beasthood
>>332491270
Anon stop we've already done this.
>>332478793
These fuckers are scary at first, but once you realize their parry window is ridiculously huge when they do their flurry attack, they're not so bad.
>>332491340
Great, I guess I'll come back to this eventually.
>>332491297
It never really hit me until I saw that video of him crying. I guess it also makes sense in-universe wise that the hunter would choose to refuse had he heard his wimpering
>>332491253
Fucking Crowsteel and his unlimited ammo and 99 BLT
>>332462013
Stuck my dick in that last night pham. Felt good.
We all agree that Unseen Village Yahar'gul and Nightmare Frontier are two of the most annoying areas in the game, right?
One is composed of Bell Maidens and Amygdalas, and the other is filled with super annoying poison swamps.
>>332474297
Fuck you.
Having to cheese Ludwig Holy Blade bitch NPC after Ludwig's fight. (NG+)
Seriously why are all the NPCs in this game so fucking stacked?
>>332491926
Miyazaki likes stacked ladies.
>>332488532
Its weird. I fucking hated being forced to do them to finally reach Yharnam, Pthumerian Queen. Once I finally killed her and had the plat I actually started really enjoying them. Got to the point I would find random ones that people were playing just to help them run through them.
>>332492109
Aside from maybe Stockholm, it's starts being fun because you really have no idea what you will find in those FRC cds. Co-oping CDs are really fun for some reason too
>>332491926
>stacked
I wish. I love titties.
>>332487404
Best boss in the game, Anon. Kicked my fucking ass 20+ times until I got gud and figured it out. Even when you know exactly how to fight him, he keeps the pressure on so constantly that you only have about 3 minutes to beat him before you inevitably choke and he reks you. The amount of fucking joy I felt when I finally beat him, and then I went and immediately fought him again because I had given up on another chalice dungeon because of that fucker.
>>332488215
>>332488521
It's almost like you don't know that Logarius chose to become Annalise's husbando.
>You're being exposed to eldritch truths the likes of which your mind can barely comprehend. While more insight brings you closer to that truth, it also brings you closer to the brink of madness.
>"How do we represent that in-game?"
>They lose like ~80% of their health I dunno
>>332492252
The part that I thought was a kick in the balls were the reused bosses shoved into arenas they weren't designed for. Rom being able to shoot magic missiles through the ceiling was some jive shit.
The Great Debate.
Real talk, how do people easily handle Micolash on NG+ and above?
His stupid call from beyond can't be interrupted and I have no idea how to dodge it
>>332477969
>>332492665
Yes, Frenzy is stupid.
I think a much more fun effect would have been simply to make your vision go nutty whenever Frenzy builds up to max. It would have conveyed the message of madness.
But then, it wouldn't be hard, and Soulsborne games have to be SO HUUUURRDDD xd!
>>332492797
The cosmos, of course!
>>332463859
>I don't think they're actually trying to kill you
Okay, so why do they hug me and bite on my head for 50 percent of my health?
>>332492930
>Soulsborne games have to be SO HUUUURRDDD xd!
Only Youtubers and Bandai Namco legitimately think this.
>>332492930
It could have also done fun stuff like make you look like you only have 1hp so you panic and pop a blood vial but it doesn't do anything.
>>332492797
Kos
Kosm fags can suck my dick
>>332492797
It's Kos. Beastly idiots please go.
>>332493014
And Miyazaki too. Otherwise, he would not have made Frenzy as bullshit as it is. It's literally hard for the sake of being hard. If he wanted something interesting lorewise, he would have made Frenzy behave like how I described in my previous post (vision going nutty).
Or, Miyazaki could have made it like what I said even earlier in the thread. See >>332489535
>>332493221
It's not hard at all though, two blood vials and you're good.
You can also completely negate the damage by visceraling the whore before your Frenzy gets up.
>>332464582
UMBASA BOARD WHEN?!
>>332470320
Man I bet you think Castlevania is shit too.
Hell, I bet you think a completely unrelated game to this topic such as Sacrifice is shit as well.
>>332488818
>tfw in all likelihood Vermin don't exist at all and are just some crazy guy's pipe dream to make him feel like he's contributing to the world
>Those who wish to see vermin can, and those who choose to are provided with boundless purpose.
>>332493336
It forces you to waste phials and Sedatives because of the cheap way in which Frenzy works.
It's cheap, tedious and bullshit.
The fact that you can abuse i-frames from viscerals to beat Frenzy doesn't change the fact that Frenzy is bullshit. Yeah, there's a workaround, but it's still bullshit.
Fuck, you can get simply grazed by those worms at Upper Cathedral Ward and you'd still get ridiculous Frenzy build-up.
Thankfully, Frenzy is barely in 10 percent of the game. So it's mostly avoidable.
>>332489527
on a serious note who, besides Micolash when providing the distinction, actually says Kosm in-game?
>>332493816
Some do
>>332486434
Reddit trying to fit in again I see.
>>332493743
AND I WILL FINISH
WHAT WAS STARTED
>>332462116
Fag detected
>>332469948
>>332469230
This.
So many missed opportunities. What changes at 40+? The amygdalae and the eyes on the lantern dudes? I can't even think of anything else.
>[Propose]
>>332494001
Frenzy builds up faster with more insight.
with 0 insight it's barely even a problem.
>>332480237
you can go up the stairs and kill them.
makes that fight even more easy
>>332462116
Shitty book GTFO
>>332494481
I have never bothered fighting that boss without first killing the bell maidens. It's way more trouble than it's worth.
>>332485198
I wannamarrybowblade
>>332488513
>I just killed Eileen cause that bitch was on her way out anyway.
I did that on my third run. fuck that faggot
>>332485198
Uncanny SS is my jam. The moveset just feels so damn good. I run around with it and the loch shield, I dun give a fuck.
>>332488513
I had a bit of trouble with him my first time, but on my second character I only died once bruh.
Then again the camerabeast is the bane of my existence.
>>332490103
Gehrman more than likely always had the peg leg bruh. Hunters were super into the idea that blood ran from the leg to the brain and would do some crazy shit like wear belts on their legs and possibly amputate it
>>332485198
>No one else uses your weaponfu
Good, that means she's pure
>>332494985
>using weapons with built-in guns
>>332490849
Its what they get for making the story focused on one city. As it is the infrastructure already makes no damn sense, and trying to add interesting areas like the forbidden forest or the witch village just makes it all the harder.
>>332462013
Just run up to them when they're looking away and stagger them into oblivion.
Bloodborne was my first Souls game and I haven't died to these things once, probably cos there's only 2 of em in the whole main game.
>>332485487
You know what's up. My arc twink is my favorite character
>>332494985
I tried to use it but it's shit
>>332485350
>dat super fast dagger poke when transformed
does a shit load of damage too. that with a bunch of stamina is pretty broken for bosses
>>332494843
>yfw you realize the saw side is thicker and has two sets of teeth
It feels so much beefier than the cleaver, even though the SC is supposed to be the more strength oriented of the two.
>>332495261
arc is fun af. fire saw spear for most stuff, moonlight sword ranged attacks for cheese
I love it
>>332493408
What a sickly beast.
May you rest in peace.
Umbasa.
>>332494064
>roar
It's like they knew we would get mad at him.
It even sounds like the hunter is going "nyooooo!"
>>332495491
I use Kos Parasite; even at base requirements it deals monstrous damage with gems. The L2 is also even more broken for me since I got some hax nourishing gem with a Charge Up attribute.
>>332495263
No one knows how to use it properly. It's a rapier you poke people and interrupt their attacks with it. Aiming is essential.
>The reward for beating the hardest boss in the game is a weapon that like 80% of the playerbase has no use for because nobody uses ARC builds until they've beaten the game like 5 times.
From is a master of trolling.
>>332495263
Its actually pretty fucking awesome, although I'm pretty bad with it. Great for reacting to people, and it fucks most strength weapons hard.
I'm a sucker for this thing purely because of that weak attack when you have it closed. It's fast as fuck and closes quite a distance. I got spoiled by it.
I just don't understand why have the blade on the inside if it's barely used.
>>332486251
I thought it was OK.
Sure as hell not what I expected, but taken for what it was, it was OK.
>>332494985
>physical weapons for purchase never
It's enough to make a man sick.
>>332490849
What about Yaharghul?
>>332492930
>>332493014
>>332493090
Frenzy give you capped insight and causes either some cosmic abomination to become visible and fuck your shit up or scales local enemies up to the next NG-tier for a minute or two.
What kind of stats and gems should I have for Burial Blade? I want to use it strictly for its style, because using a sword stolen from Mergo's Wet Nurse affixed to the top of a stick is radical.
>>332489860
You aren't the first Hunter to refuse his offer to free you. He fucking hates being in the dream, and fighting mad hunters is probably his only escape.
>>332463034
Why does micolash get so many dolls?
>>332496031
>What version of ____ is best? Normal or Uncanny or Lost?
Two radials and a triangle for physical, bloodtinge or arcane damage.
Two radials and a circle for bloodtinge only.
A radial, a waning and a triangle for split damage that needs nourishing gems and for fire/bolt damage
>>332496031
>>332496138
Oh whoops misread your question.
Look it up. The stat scaling should make it pretty obvious what kind of build it was meant for.
But if you're using it for style, does it really matter?
>>332492279
One day I hope From figures out body sliders. The 18th/19th century aesthetic was too perfect for a girl squeezing into tight men's clothes.
>>332495491
>not going full majestic with parasite
I bet you don't even wear a cage you faggot
>>332496289
The cauliflower head negates headwear though.
>>332496371
>he doesn't still wear a cage to be granted eyes
Fuckin pathetic
>>332486251
>tfw you thought it would be a good reed
Silly frog, books make horrible reeds.
>>332492930
It could be like a temporary cursed status. Your HP gets halved, or special mobs are now spawned, or various enemies get even more weird abilities. Or maybe something like beasthood, where your attacks start doing increasing amounts of damage to yourself but you get a bump to item discovery or damage output.
>>332492806
Dodge forward
>Hunter's dream is a dream.
>Old Yharnam is a dream contained within that dream.
>Micholash's Nightmare, Rom's Lake, and Yahar'gul are dreams contained within those dreams.
Take this kiss upon the brow!
And, in parting from you now,
Thus much let me avow —
You are not wrong, who deem
That my days have been a dream;
Yet if hope has flown away
In a night, or in a day,
In a vision, or in none,
Is it therefore the less gone?
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream.
>Old hunter dream leads you to Kos washed upon a shore in another dream.
I stand amid the roar
Of a surf-tormented shore,
And I hold within my hand
Grains of the golden sand —
How few! yet how they creep
Through my fingers to the deep,
While I weep — while I weep!
O God! Can I not grasp
Them with a tighter clasp?
O God! can I not save
One from the pitiless wave?
Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream?
>>332494843
I want to like the Saw Spear, but I think the Cleaver just has the nicer look. I also have trouble getting into the transformed spear mode and just end up R1 spamming while folded 90% of the time.
How should I be using this thing?
>>332490849
Hemwick and the Forbidden Forest should have been one large, sprawling area that leads to Yahar'ghul, a creepy small town that's dominated by a huge university complex that's the School of Mensis. Byrgenworth would be a smaller retreat that actually leads into the Pthumerian Chalice dungeons.
>>332497063
If that was the case.
Also chalice dungeons being seamless, like taking a trip to the chalice dungeons is literally traveling to a mine entrance, going down to some unearthed chambers with ritual pedestals, placing the chalice on one, than taking an elevator straight down into the dungeon.
>>332494527
I actually got very close to beating that boss without killing them, like 2 hits close twice, then someone told me I could kill them and then I had a field day against the boss
>>332497907
The stable, unearthed chalice dungeons could be places to actually discover in the waking world somewhere, and probably shorter and more uniquely designed, and each hides the root chalice for the dungeon for random dungeons accessed from the Hunter's Dream.
>>332490849
The thing is BB has two locations, the real world and the Nightmare world.
All the real-world locations around Yharnam are interconnected, and form a cohesive map.
The Nightmare consists of several places that are visible from each other, but disconnected probably due to time or development constraints, but the DLC is clearly an attempt to fill the design hole, as you can see where it is relative to the other Nightmare locations and it features a more cohesive set of areas that connect to each other.
I wonder if From were thinking about totally redoing the relationship and adding connection points to the DLC and Nightmare areas in the base game but were scared off by the technical challenge or had to shift gears to DSIII?
At least the two locations still visually work.
>>332485738Thats hot.
The number of Bloodborne porn involving female hunters taking werewolf knots is disappointing.
>>332498921
Wasn't there one involving NotNyarlathotep and a female hunter?
>>332485198
Kirkhammer
>mfw smashing motherfuckers all night
The sword form is also pretty based too
My other favorite weapon second to the hammer is the Amygdala Arm
>dat reach
If you do a V. Attack right when your frenzy meter fills up, you take no damage. I used to love doing that
>>332462013
A visually, audibly, and mechanically unnerving enemy. People are just mad they can't use the exact same strategy they use for every other less interesting enemy in the game to blow through hordes of them.
I was actually surprised From managed something like them when their usual ploy is to give enemies overpowering buffs to health, defense, stagger resist, and unlimited items.
>>332489535
>if frenzy was completely harmless I wouldn't mind it
Ok
>STILL no winter lantern rule34
It's been a whole year
What's the best hairstyle?
What clips the least?
>>332502376
>What clips the least?
Bald.
>>332463034
>Because the nightmare is Micolash' dream
If he's the true host of the nightmare, why does it persist when he's beaten?
Why does every dream have a doll designed based on Maria?
Gehrman's makes sense, and her bone is found in the Abondoned Workshop by the grave the Doll sits in front of.
Why the fuck are we killing these things?
What's the Moon Presence's purpose? Is it taking the strongest Hunters that don't wake and forcing them to host the Hunter's Dream so other great ones that exist in other nightmares/dreams can be destroyed?
I don't get this fucking game. Who hosts the DLC nightmare?
Even after reading the lore, I can just about put the small stuff together. The DLC left me with more questions. How the fuck do Gehrman and the Doll feel the death of Orphan of Kos?
>>332490875
Who would win in a fight, Guts orgehrman
>>332469230
>>332469948
>>332494001
Because they probably want most people to see these things. Seems like it's the same reason we get so many lamps close together, and shortcuts leading to earlier parts of the level. Because they know the more casual players will be less likely to endure it.
I get the impression that you could only return to the dream from one lamp on each stage, because things tend to lead back to them quite often.
I do hope that if a sequel ever happens it uses insight more effectively, though. Also adding different bullets with new effects.
>>332485198
Never killed hunters faster
>>332480237
>Mfw didn't know you could go up there and kill them
>Still beat the boss easily on my first try
Man, what a terrible boss and disappointing. Should have stayed in The Evil Within 2bh,
>>332503065
What if insight affected weapon visuals, stats, or even animation or effects?
>>332467442
But s&s is fucking great. I did not like it at first, then I got gud, now I FUCKING LOVE it. I'm going to try and fill the entire sphere grid.
>>332503158
booooooring
>>332486824
So don't do it. I hate parrying in BB because I like to actually get good at other aspects, and I enjoy it much more. I don't even use a gun on most runs.
>>332502879
>If he's the true host of the nightmare, why does it persist when he's beaten?
because eve though he is hosting it, the power comes from Mergo and his wetnurse to keep it going. as for why it keeps around, gameplay reasons
>Why does every dream have a doll designed based on Maria?
no where is it implied that a dream and nightmare have to have a doll. hunters take comfort in the doll, and nightmares are places that hunters fear, so nightmares of dolls and
messengers are there
>Why the fuck are we killing these things?
because you are a hunter, and hunters hunt
>What's the Moon Presence's purpose? Is it taking the strongest Hunters that don't wake and forcing them to host the Hunter's Dream so other great ones that exist in other nightmares/dreams can be destroyed?
MP wants you to kill Mergo. probably because of his inspiration from as nyarlathotep. it doesn't really care about everything happening in Yharnam. it wants you to kill Mergo
> Who hosts the DLC nightmare?
all hunters host the nightmare, since they can be affected by bloodlust and are dragged into it when they become blood addled, the Orphan powers the nightmare and keeps the hunters trapped there.
>How the fuck do Gehrman and the Doll feel the death of Orphan of Kos?
Gherman was one of the people that went into the Hamlet, along with Maria, and killed everyone there, smashed their heads open looking for eyes, and pulled the fetus of the Orphan form the dead body of Kos that washed up onto the shore. Gherman was haunted by the shit that he did and im sure that the Orphan reached though the dreamlands to mess him up even though he was entwined with MP. the Doll only feels Maria dying because they were linked together by the voodoo that MP did when it brought it to life in the dream for Gherman in the first place.
>>332462013
I sent the whore to Iosefka's chop shop. Can I still get the Umbilical cord? I found out about the secret boss too late and consumed one of them early in my playthrough..
>>332496807
>>How should I be using this thing?
R1 until you think they're gonna back out, or out of range, or you're coming to lower stamina, then transform attack.
I have an electric Saw Spear equipped, and a fire Saif, on my Arcane build. It's pretty fun. Both deal more damage than the Holy Moonlight Sword.
>try to summon for bb
>nothing
>try to summon for dark souls
>instant
Why is BB already dead sonycucks?
>>332503504
You can get four umbilical cords in total. One from the abandoned workshop, one from killing Iosefka after the blood moon, one from Arianna, and one from killing the wet nurse.
All you really need to do is consume 3 of them at any time before killing Gehrman
>>332485198
Rifle Spear on release.
Saif currently.
>>332503389
Trying it against Winter Lanterns can be scary. Their one attack when you're locked on has them rush you with huge arms that look pretty intimidating taking up the whole screen, and if you miss the riposte window you're guaranteed to die thanks to frenzy buildup cutting your HP on top of the damage from the grab and head bite.
>>332503592
Oh, so if I ate one at the beginning of the game, it counts?
>>332503562
no shit since you don't have any points into strength for the HMS.
>>332503636
Yup. Just make sure to eat 3.
>>332503583
I just spent all of Sunday constantly getting summoned for chalice bosses every minute.
>>332489501
Gehrman and Orphan have my favourite soundtracks ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahfb7M7jYvA
They remind me of one another, too. Their speed, some of their moves, their shouts/screams.
>>332503661
Awesome! Thanks!
Just got a STR/ARC build with a wheel and whirlgig +10 and around 600-780 AR. Starting a SKL/BLT build now, haven't played one since last year before the DLC. Besides the Chikage I'm aiming for the Bowblade and Church Pick. How's the Saif though? Is the Rakuyo worth using over the Chikage, or are they the same?
>>332488079
Covenants feel really tacked on and pointless, and I felt that rom and the bosses afterwards are a little too easy/uninteresting to fight, save for gerhman.
>>332503787
Well, they are the same person.
>>332503827
No problem
>>332503880
I get where the theory comes from but I don't get how it actually works.
>>332503880
>they are the same person
no, no their not. Vatti go and stay go
>>332491082
Have them dash during combos and continue the combo after their dashing. Give them quicker recovery if you're behind them.
Give them move canceling, so they go to swing but dash in a direction instead.
They can't be parried after their stage advancement. They will begin deflecting bullets until the very end of their fight, where you can only finish some of them off with a visceral.
They will be a nightmare of their own.
>>332503960
Yeah I'm sure the Doll isn't totally related to Maria either
>DaS3 doesn't have chalice dungeons
What the fuck From? What a blunder.
winter lanterns weren't even a problem, I liked their design and spook factor, but these enemies were way overblown by people, bloodborne is a pretty easy game throughout, and only low depths in chalice dungeons provide enemies that frustrate.
You know how you deal with winter lanters though? You walk up and murder them because they are useless, and if you wear high frenzy resist armor like ashen and have the frenzy res rune you will never get frenzied in the process
>>332486824
lol
>>332504039
that is completely obvious and has multiple pieces of evidence to back up that theory.
Gherman being the actual Orphan is bullshit. the Orphan was ripped out of the dead womb of Kos(m) by Gherman, Maria, and other hunters when they raided the village looking for eyes.
>>332503472
>because eve though he is hosting it, the power comes from Mergo and his wetnurse to keep it going. as for why it keeps around, gameplay reasons
I assumed the Wet Nurse was the one responsible for the Nightmare, and Micolash was stuck in it after creating it. Mergo looks very similar to Eileen in a way, and uses weapons and a moveset that's similar to the Blades of Mercy. Is that just me noticing something that isn't quite related, or is there a good reason for that?
>no where is it implied that a dream and nightmare have to have a doll.
I was responding to
>Because the nightmare is Micolash' dream, and it seems like every dream needs a doll.
I didn't think the doll was anything but a connection to Gehrman.
>because you are a hunter, and hunters hunt
That's not a reason.
>MP wants you to kill Mergo. probably because of his inspiration from as nyarlathotep. it doesn't really care about everything happening in Yharnam. it wants you to kill Mergo
But you can take over the Hunter's Dream. Why does this continue if not for the purpose of having you send more Hunters to kill more Great Ones that aren't Moon Presence?
>all hunters host the nightmare
So it's an amalgamation of their fears? That's neat.
>Gherman was one of the people that went into the Hamlet...
Oh, cool. Thanks for clearing some stuff up, Anon.
>>332478037
>Dude let me in, it's me, Mother Brain
>You like Metroid don't you?
>>332503957
>>332503960
Huh? isn't it obvious?
Gehrman and Maria were hunters based in Yharnam and travelled to the Fishing Hamlet as part of their job, but then Maria became disgusted with her role in there and threw away her weapon down the well. She took some of the survivors from the village and experimented on them in the tower, but ended up committing suicide out of guilt. Gehrman felt terrible about this and made the doll in his workshop, but as Yharnam and everything grew worse he ended up abandoning it. He takes a sunflower from Maria's garded in the research hall with him and plants in next to the lighthouse, making a little grave for Maria, then is consumed by Kos in a ritual suicide. Kos uses his body's raw materials to make the Orphan in an attempt to save her offspring, which is similar to how the Mensis society used the bagmen to collect human sacrifices as raw materials to create The One Reborn, a vessel for Mergo (but you kill it). This is why the Orphan uses a bunch of cues from Gehrman, it's made out of his body.
As for Gehrman's dreaming self, the game establishes that he dreamed the Hunter's Dream and remained there even after his human body died, and made his deal with the Moon Presence. After you kill the Orphan, he feels a lot better because you've gotten rid of the regrets he left within the Nightmare.
>>332485738
>he joined the hunt
>>332504462
So are werewolves what the beast scourge infected turn into eventually?
>>332503642
But my Holy Moonlight Sword build is Str/Arc.
>>332504573
Yup.
>>332504573
Yeah.
Fun fact: if you look at your player's right arm while performing a visceral attack, it's a beast's arm.
>>332504402
The majority of that seems like headcanon.
Where did the beast plague come from ?
Would you a Choir girl /v/?
How would you guys feel about a new Bloodborne-esque game set in Ancient Egypt?
>>332504809
blood of the Great Ones.
>>332504809
>Hey guys, we found some ancient blood down in the tombs
>Woah holy shit it actually cures all ailments
>Wait nevermind it turns you into a fucking werewolf... the entire population has already been exposed to it...? Well fuck.
>>332504402
yeah. i know that. the other guy didn't. he was saying that Gherman is the Orphan of Kos
>>332504358
I assumed the Wet Nurse was the one responsible for the Nightmare, and Micolash was stuck in it after creating it. Mergo looks very similar to Eileen in a way, and uses weapons and a moveset that's similar to the Blades of Mercy. Is that just me noticing something that isn't quite related, or is there a good reason for that?
no, the boss you fight is not Mergo, that is his wetnurse. Mergo is the dead baby of queen Yharnam and Oedon who died in still birth way back the fuck when. he is in the nightmare because Mensis tried to get in touch with him in the dreamlands, but that failed horribly and led to Yhar'gul experiencing the backlash of the failed ritual, and Mensis college being dragged into a Nightmare
>That's not a reason.
it is the reason anon. a great one came over you, spoke the great one word for 'HUNTER', and you became a Hunter. note that this is different from other hunters.
>But you can take over the Hunter's Dream. Why does this continue if not for the purpose of having you send more Hunters to kill more Great Ones that aren't Moon Presence?
you become a great one, ascending you human self. the trophy tells you that you are to sheppard humanity into it's second childhood, not to kill other Great Ones. think of the Hunters Dream as a house. you went in, killed the people living in there, now you moved in and live in there while being taken care of by the doll until you are a big and strong squid god. like Morrowind.
>>332504713
no, that's mostly right. except for Kos actually being anything other than a corpse that washed up on the shore of the hamlet.
>>332504901
>>332504852
But why werewolves and not just ayylmaos
The Pthumerian Queen is one vicious bitch. How the fuck did a bunch of awooing goofs steal her baby?
>>332504967
the blood catalazies the potential of humanity. within in humanity the beast already exists. the blood just brings it to the forefront.
>>332504967
There's two routes.
If you take the blood of the Great Ones you live longer and become stronger, but you'll have a chance of going mad and becoming a beast driven by instinct.
If you eat the flesh of the Great Ones (Pearl Slugs), then you'll develop alien sensory abilities which may give you "insight" but will probably just drive you crazy from all the sensory overload. The more alien abilities you develop the more alien you end up.
Why do so many people have so much trouble with the defiled Hotdog? I don't consider myself a good player at all but I never struggle with it. It's very predictable and aside from the attack where it does a flurry of bites with flames in his mouth it's not fast.
Does that headgear with the blindfold in it not stop them from raising frenzy?
Really, it should since it's done by looking at them.
>>332504941
Can't I stay with Doll even AFTER I become a big squid?
>>332505125
So the splish splosh people in the clock tower are precursors to the celestial emissaries?
>>332505104
I would have thought the beast within would be a chimp literally chimping out, but I guess wolves are more rule of cool.
Or is there a reason why the Moon Presence is kind of wolf-like?
>>332505343
yes
>>332505375
very early precursors yes
they also use Maria as a cumdumpster
>>332505375
Yes, they are indeed. That's why the Living Failures are a bossfight, they're failed attempts to create the Celestial Emissary.
>Or is there a reason why the Moon Presence is kind of wolf-like?
Not really? MP is kind of the only actual "alien" (besides Oedon) if you use the original story as a basis.
>>332505469
I just started DS1 and is it wrong of me to have feelings for Solaire? Isn't he a meme character?
>>332505375
>I would have thought the beast within would be a chimp literally chimping out, but I guess wolves are more rule of cool.
most people when they think beast they think something feral, where the wolf if the most common
>Or is there a reason why the Moon Presence is kind of wolf-like?
there are some that propose that the MP is the source of the beasthood, since the red moon happens when he comes along so he can influence influence the beasts.
i don't put stock in it though
>>332505030
Can't say no to the cock
>>332505508
Follow your heart anon
>>332487748
>Katana
katana my ass
it's literally messer
>>332504835
Aztec/Mayan would be better IMO.
Comfy temples and jungles and stuff.
>>332505714
No no, Aztec/Mayan on tropical islands with colonial port towns and underwater ruins and deep sea diving suit segments.
>>332488521
Never lost to a guy wielding a wheel. You guys are absolutely pathetic in pvp. Probably in pve too.
>>332504835
We need to go more Lovecraft, Mad Arab and the lost city and shit.
He lives, you know.
And soon, we will, too.
>>332505426
DON'T BULLY
>>332506235
I want to splish splosh all over her insides and commune with the Great Ones listening to the cum churn in her pussy
And then riposte her for good measure
>>332485198
I'm a holy blade kind of fag.
>>332464379
no it doesn't i've tried
>>332506369
Plant eyes in her pussy to cleanse her beastly idiocy.
>>332485198
Chikage
>>332506369
>>332506653
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>>332507015
Since Doll is modeled after Maria, does she also have a puffy vulva?
>>332478793
most metal enemy ever
>>332498787
The Old Laberynth should have been a massive optional area with many, many interconnected levels and all the unique Chalice bosses. Have an entrance after BSB for easy stuff equivilant to Depth 1-2. Have another entrance at Byergonworth And a final entrance behind Eribritas. But they all connect together. Have an actual designed area and build it so its lore relevant and has cool shortcuts and stuff.
Then for the Random Dungeons have "nigjtmares" which would be random dungeons but use assets from Yharnam, Forest, Nightmare etc... assets and allow more choice in creation, instead of having arbitrary Material requirements instead have the layout be affected by what materials and in what order you put them.
>>332507484
Yharnam needs Paris tier catacombs
>>332507638
yes
>>332462013
just run past them lmao
>>332476306
>getting gravelorded in the dlc
>>332504402
Orphan isn't Gehrmsn, it's Gehrman's child.
> He went to Fishing Hamlet
> fucked a dead squid
> due to Great One magic it gestates and grows inside the corpse.
> Maria is sad because her husbando is a cheating, necophilic asshole and throws here weapon down the well.
> Orphan has daddy issues and curses the fiends their children to.
>>332477491
Having several threads up at once is literally the opposite of a general you retarded fucking baby
>>332483462
>That twitchy run
It's like a 2005 era flash game on Newgrounds.
>>332506369
There it is... the sticky sound
>>332507484
Like the autist I am, I spent some time redesigning the Chalice Dungeons. I don't have a scanner and my phone's camera is shit, so here's what I planned:
>You activate the first chalice on the gravestone
>You enter an open area underground, with branching pathways
>Multiple doors that require offerings to open
>each one leads to a different chalice dungeon, with different aesthetics and themes
>kin themed one
>beast themed one
>mad hunter themed one
>nightmare themed one
>each of these have their own layers, and the layers gradually change their aesthetic to become something more fitting for the theme
>Kin chalices go deeper in to the ground, gradually turning from the first layer as a cavern with the more common kin enemies, through a beach-like area with sandstone walls, to what appears to be rock, but above you is the cosmos
>Beast chalices remain under the ground, layers never going up or down, but rather doors leading through to other areas. The designs resemble Old Yharnam, a city in ruins, showing the gradual progression of man to beast.
>Hunter chalices have lifts that progress upwards, and start as a cavern, eventually becoming an ordinary city. A cleaner one for the most part, but plagued by mad hunters and their roaming hounds
>Nightmare chalices are more 'random', elements resembling each of those, but with elevators leading up or down, doorways that change what was behind you, and having something different in front of you. Passing through a door here is like passing through the door to the Nightmare Frontier. Lifts pass through water, leading to different things.
I don't like the farming in chalices, I feel like they need more direction while mainting the arcade aspects they offer. I wouldn't care as much about their linear structure if they were visually different each time, and progression felt like progression, not just slapping more HP/damage on enemies you killed earlier.
