Why do people claim that Oblivion was better than Skyrim? When Skyrim is literally the better game.
>he thought his thread would actually be successful
i'll bump
>>332420969
Only people who started at skyrim then played previous installments think this. I enjoyed oblivion more as it had a faster pace to the main story, the best guild quests and a lot less game breaking bugs / glitches and for its time had some groundbreaking features, skyrim is just shiny, feels soulless to me.
I think skyrim is best but Oblvion is god-tier from what i played
>>332421880
He is right though. Pretty much any complaint levied against skyrim can also be made against Oblivion. People just don't want to take the nostalgia goggles off
>>332422617
>op samefagging
Sort yourself out you freak.
>>332422617
Skyrim had no interesting quests.
The expansions came nowhere near SI.
Oblivion had a better main quest line.
It's guilds were less retarded.
Let's start with those.
Skyrim isnt nearly as bad as the meme makes it out to be, but there are complaints. The ass retarded "perks" system for example and how dumb and simple making a character became. No spellmaking, less spells in general, shitty main story ending.
>>332422179
Started with Morrowind.
Skyrim >>> Oblivion.
Oblivion is one of the worst games I've ever played.
>>332422849
I will agree with this. Side quests/guild quests were much better in Oblivion. However the main story was pretty shit
>>332422617
>he is right though
>he (third person)
ahahahahahahahahahaha
Played both Oblivion and Skyrim on release and honestly Oblivion did much more for me than Skyrim for when I played them. That said I find it very difficult to go back and enjoy Oblivion after playing Skyrim. I cant quite place why. Maybe its only because Oblivion hasnt aged all that well. Anyone else feel this way?
>>332423250
There might have been spellcrafting and more spells in oblivion. But for some reason magic in Oblivion felt so shitty while Skyrim didn't have that problem for me
>>332424026
I havn't gotten the glorious skyrim feel when i started modding the game
>>332424026
I 100% blame the level-scaling.
>TES on console
This is the fate I chose
Oblivion has better quests,uh much better music, and you can use magic with sword n' board equipped. Sky rim is a much prettier but much smaller game. They're both good but I'll take oblivion every timw
>>332425525
Level scaling is by far the worst feature of oblivion.
>>332420969
>Combat
Skyrim is the clear winner here.
>Main questline
Both pretty generic, but killing Alduin in three hits was anti-climactic. I get that I'm the dragonborn but damn. At least in Oblivion you're just helping another guy finish the fight.
>Dragons vs Oblivion gates
Both start off as epic and end up repetitive. The thing is killing a dragon takes way less time than closing an oblivion gate.
>Fighter's guild vs Companions
Companions had the more interesting storyline with the whole werewolf thing. Better than taking on some competitor and their steroid tree sap.
>Thieve's guild
The Gray Fox storyline is superior in every way to whatever you do in Skyrim, don't even remember.
>Mage's guild
It's a tie. I didn't really care much for either.
>Dark Brotherhood
Oblivion had the better hits. That hit where you're in the house with strangers and have to get them to plot against each other was really entertaining.
I'd go into it further but I'm too lazy. Someone else can get into the skills/crafting/blacksmithing etc. I did like how Skyrim gave you more freedom with that though but a lot of in depth stat adjustment was removed since Oblivion.
Oh yeah and in terms of character creation/models: Skyrim obviously
>>332425801
It removes the most important feature from an RPG; progress
>>332425801
Good god this. I hated it. I feel like a lot of people ignore it though
>>332422849
Dragonborn was pretty comparable to SI.
I liked it more since I think Apocrypha was better portrayed than the Shivering Isles despite being corridors but thats my opinion.
>>332427043
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>>332425801
Nothing wrong with it from what i read
>>332420969
Oblivion has quests outside of dungeons and Skyrim doesn't. Oblivion has good guilds and Skyrim has 0/10 guilds except for one. Different genre basically, Oblivion is open world RPG and Skyrim is a dungeoncrawler.
Skyrim is the only TES game I've ever played, I bought it for the dragons and the shouts. I refuse to play Oblivion, Morrowind or the other two mainly because I feel like I've been spoiled by skyrim.
Morrowind > Skyrim > Oblivion > pile of steaming shit > Daggerfall/Arena
>>332427789
This. People want to act like this series was great and then Skyrim, or Oblivion depending on who you ask, came along.
>>332420969
It's got even worse mellee combat, no attributes, and an incomplete magic system. It really isn't any better. Plus, mods can turn Oblivion into a good game, unlike Shitrim.
>>332427620
This is a dungeoncrawler. Skyrim is a hallway/walking simulator.
>>332427620
thank god because the dungeons in Oblivion were terrible
I didn't play both Skyrim or Oblivion until recently so I don't have nostalgia goggles for either one. Going from Skyrim to Oblivion felt like a giant downgrade. Still the same at the core, but a noticeable drop in quality.
>>332428528
Do you nostalgia-blind idiots actually think that is good level design? It's tedious monotony.
>>332428361
That's strange. Considering the combat in Skyrim is usually clearly considered better. Even by Oblivion fans.
>>332428797
It is except for bows. Skyrim has you play in hallways 100% of the time and it's really annoying to use the bow in tight corridors. Also Oblivon has better bow mods. Melee combat is much better in Skyrim IMO.
>>332427479
I don't know what you've read but
-It makes progression worthless.
-It makes the whole all the same. There isn't a dungeon with those ball-breaking enemies or that area comfy area with little cute goblin. No matter what dungeon you enter, you get more or less the same experience of the one before it.
-It works like shit with the "improve as you use" skill system. If you end up leveling up non-combat skills you might end up completely and irreparably gimped.
-It robs the player freedom. You can decide to challenge yourself with harder areas/quests/dungeons for a better reward, because there aren't harder anything.
Level scaling is one of the worst mechanic a RPG can have.
>>332428792
I played it in 2015. It's a typical dungeon crawler style dungeon. Only someone inexperienced in video games would complain about it i.e. modern Bethesda fans.
>>332429005
And it completely destroys thief class.
>Morrowind
>enter some treasury while lvl 5 or so
>carefully sneak past much higher level elementals and steal glass armor
>slowly try to exit treasury without dying
Shit was great. I Oblivion/Skyrim glass armor doesn't even exist until you reach a certain level and you can't steal anything of value.
>>332428361
>Plus, mods can turn Oblivion into a good game, unlike Shitrim.
What is Requiem?
>>332428797
TES fans in general are completely retarded and unaware of reality. Just go play Morrowind and you'll notice that by the time you reach level 15 you'll almost never miss, and every hit will cause a reaction from the enemy; unlike Oblivion or Skyrim. Besides that Oblivion and Morrowind have a knockdown system in mellee. Skyrim is so bare bones and incomplete that they completely forgot about it and replaced it with a paralyzing power attack for some reason.
People complain about draugr dungeons while forgetting about the damn oblivion gates, which were worse imo. Oblivion did have more creative quests, though.
>>332429543
Paralyze was already in Oblivion. Skyrim simply forgot about mellee knockdown.
>>332429518
A shitty mod that doesn't fix the dungeons, npcs, npc reactions, no attributes, no decent UI spellmaking, and quests.
>>332429205
Not him but you sound like an elitist prick mate, only people with no social skills think games like that are fun.
>Skyrim
>go to that dungeon
>now go to that one
>now still that staff
>now use it on that shit
CONGRATZ! You are officially the arch mage of entire Skyrim and best mage in the whole country even though you can't into magic at all!
Also anyone remembers how they said you could influence game's economy?
>>332429726
>shitty mod that doesn't fix the dungeons, npcs, npc reactions, no attributes, no decent UI spellmaking, and quests
What is Genesis? What is Player mad addons and quest? What is NPC fix mods?
>>332430059
steal*
magic is borked in skyrim, for one. half damage on average compared to melee and you need a billion MP or practically glitched items (0mp cast, bugged talos necklace for shouts, etc) to go pure wizard.
the towns feel like towns in oblivion aswell, where as arriving in the hold capital of morthal and other such places is a bit of a joke.
personally I -really- miss how you can choose to kill everyone in morrowind aswell, try doing something about the gate guards execution and watch how many immortal characters show up.
dual casting and decent-ish archery (see: 50m despawning arrow limit) doesn't make up for it.
>>332420969
In the same way that diarrhea is better than vomit
>>332429970
Sorry I've intruded in your safe space pal. I'll take note not to be a big meanie on the internet. Do you want me to buy you some McDonalds? That'll make you feel better.
>>332420969
Just finished oblivion yesterday and I can't believe how superior it was to skyrim. That being said, I enjoyed skyrim more.
>>332429970
How does one project this hard? A regular well adjusted human being is 100% capable of criticizism.
>>332428528
We are comparing Oblivion and Skyrim here right? And while Skyrims dungeons aren't great by any stretch of the word, they are better than Oblivions.
>>332430093
>What is Genesis?
A mod that doesn't fix shitty linear dungeon design just because it spams enemy encounters.
>What is Player mad addons and quest?
Mostly incomplete mods because the modder loses interest somewhere at the beginning of development.
>What is NPC fix mods?
Mods that don't return npc disposition, persuasion, and reputation. Mods don't fix everything because people can only take so much bullshit.
>>332431681
Oh my god, you just ravaged his gay butt hole. What are you going to do next?
>>332431513
Oblivion had better dungeons. It simply had less clutter design because they weren't decorating a simple corridor.
>>332430701
Firstly, I'm not your pal, buddy.
Secondly I'm not American so you can keep your burgers.
>>332430910
Thirdly he wasn't criticising me, I don't even like elder scrolls games, he's just some exquisite taste arsehole who thinks his word is the authority on what """""video game experts""""" like.
>>332432108
>Thirdly he wasn't criticising me
No shit sherlock, he was criticising the game. How much of a paranoid asocial faggot must you be to misunderstand and take it personally.
>>332432396
>How much of a paranoid asocial faggot must you be to misunderstand and take it personally.
None, because he just said he didn't?
>>332420969
Skyrim only did character models, animations, level scaling (still shit tho) and overworld design better.
Oblivion on the other hand did have way better quests, more enemy and magic variety, better implemented skills, faster (tho still shitty) combat, better npc ai, more and better cities and settlements and far greater build variety that doesn't rely on player only perks
>>332432396
OK so when you said
>A regular well adjusted human being is 100% capable of criticizism.
Who were you referring to?
>>332432571
>he's just some exquisite taste arsehole who thinks his word is the authority
Classic projection. No one stated they were an expert and yet anon gets offended and starts a retarded internet argument.
Skyrim is fine, it just need over 150 mods
>>332434038
Any recommendations on mods? Like a couple must haves? I am about to start another skyrim playthrough
>>332434237
TK dodge, Ultimate Combat, Reactive Combat / or Action Combat
>>332434237
What type of mods do you want? I'm not really into immersive mods so I can't recommend stuff like this
>>332434459
I guess just mods that make the base experience better. Not really into the whole "waifu" kind of mods.
>>332434561
I don't have any waifu mods so I'll just dump screencaps of my load order
>>332433523
>Only someone inexperienced in video games would complain about it i.e. modern Bethesda fans.
>implying he is an expert and people who don't like what he does aren't.
>>332422617
IMO oblivion had a much better atmosphere.
It also had better quests lines and side quests. The levelling and unique items were more fun too because you could min max for end game and pull off crazy stuff like 100% reflect damage. Of course skyrim had better graphics and gameplay I guess but at what cost?
>>332434561
oh, there are many texture mods
>>332434714
>This is a dungeoncrawler. Skyrim is a hallway/walking simulator.
some random fag gets offended and starts crying and bitching,
>Do you nostalgia-blind idiots actually think that is good level design? It's tedious monotony.
get's burned with
>I played it in 2015. It's a typical dungeon crawler style dungeon. Only someone inexperienced in video games would complain about it i.e. modern Bethesda fans.
Now anon is some sort of evil elitist boogieman for some reason.
>>332434668
>I don't have any waifu mods
unbelievable
>>332434561
dumpin
>>332435313
I have CBBE and Fair Skin Complexion, that probably counts
>>332434561
moar
>>332435151
I really don't get the point of this meta post.
>>332434561
woof woof
>>332435516
Good for you champ.
>Tfw i recently figured out how Loverslab work
>>332435621
Why don't you just merge all the amidian stuff.
>>332435726I don't know how to do it
>>332434561
And the last pic.
If anybody has some good mods to recommend please share
>>332434668
>>332434771
>>332434987
>>332435085
>>332435319
>>332435504
>>332435621
>>332435721
>>332435937
Thank you very much for the list/mod recommendations
>>332436053
You're welcome, good sir.
>>332435650
>mfw too guilty to keep them
>>332435650
ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING
>>332420969
Oblivion was more creative overall. Not so many "go there get that through the same dungeon" over and over again. The dungeons were better too. Ayleid ruins > the same Nord shit
There was an arena you could fight in.
Oblivion Gate monotony > dragon motonony
Skyrim's story was stupid.
Oblivion was prettier.
More memorable characters.
Imperial City.
Do we have to go on and on?
>>332436053
Have fun, I haven't encountered a single CTD in 30 hours of gameplay so it should be okay.
>>332427438
>Dragonborn was pretty comparable to SI
you're an insane person
>>332435937
The old Morrowind construction set had a nifty merge plugins option. The retards who made skyrim forgot about it though. Try TES5Edit.
>>332435650
Do you feel dead inside after you are done jerking off?I do
>>332435650
Oh god I remember trying first time years ago
>Oh boy time to have a grand fucking fap
>It's unstable as fuck
>Every animations sucks balls
>Everything is about whoring yourself out for 5 septims or whoring yourself out unwillingly
>That's it
One of the biggest letdown of my life.
>>332425927
>whatever you do in Skyrim
You commit fraud, poison a brewery, steal a deed you're gonna use to blackmail someone with you don't actually steal any of the things on the deed, then it turns out someone stole all the stuff from the Thieves' Guild and they just now found out about it, and you go to fight the person with the assumed good guy and he being a master thief runs into every trap in the dungeon and gets downed numerous times by the low level mooks within, then the bad guy hits you with a poisoned arrow that paralyzes you and then they run away from the other guy, then he leaves, then the bad guy says she's actually a good guy and he's the bad guy and she poised you because he would have killed you otherwise and we have to stop him but he's too strong 4u so sell your soul to a daedric prince and get this armor that's shitter than glass armor or possibly even leather if you're a low enough level when you do the quest and it doesn't actually do anything then you go find the real bad guy and kill him wow this had nothing to do with stealing things what the fuck
>>332420969
Bitches cant dogma like real niggas in this thread
>>332436192
>the dungeons were better too
No I don't think so. They were both sit and all very samey. If we are talking strictly about quests, then yes they were better in Oblivion.
>there was an arena
Yes but it too was pretty shit and boring. Although I guess you are right. It was at least there
>Oblivion gate > Dragons
No not at all. Yes they were both monotonous, but you could finish a dragon fight much faster than an oblivion gate
>skyrims story was stupid
So was oblivion
>Oblivion was prettier
What? No not at all
>More memorable characters
Such as?
>Imperial City
I agree. It was far better than any "city" skyrim had to offer.
>>332436431
Shivering Isles was too bland for what it should've been and Sheogorath should've been more macabre instead of random un my opinion.
It was generic in a "Alice in Wonderland" way, I expected it to be more weird.
I'm talking all about aesthetics and fluff mind you, the world and plot of Dragonborn was more interesting to me but the quest design was massively inferior to SI, overall I care more about that (which is the reason why I vastly preferencia Morrowind over any other TES).
>>332437097
>Such as?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypXMAIL0p5w
>>332420969
Morrowind is a 9/10
Oblivion is a 5/10 and an 8/10 with mods
Skyrim is a 6/10 and a 7/10 with mods.
>>332438226
Ehhh. Idk. I'd put Morrowind at a 7 or 8
>>332438674
Morrowind is a 9/10 to me because I'm a dunmerboo.
>>332438971
That looks so comfy
>>332437097
Holy crap, a sane person! What the fuck do I do now?
>>332436192
>Imperial City.
No, Imperial city was a fucking joke, how am I supposed to take the capital of an empire seriously when it only has 1 sailable boat in its harbor? The architecture and statues of the gods were nice but that's where all the positives end.
>>332420969
Just use the UI
>>332439108
While it Morrowind is better than Skyrim, you would have to be a sperg to think more complexity = better game. More content = better game, but being able to equip different sets of left and right pauldrons really doesn't add much. Skyrim's Head + Neck + Torso + Hands + Legs + Feet worked fine. Obviously, too few options sucks - see Fallout - but extra complexity doesn't necessarily make a game better. X-Com has a total of one armor slot with like 4 options (I'm talking about UFOD) and yet it's considered incredibly deep.
>>332441074
Right? I mean did people even actually combine a whole bunch of different gloves and boots? I doubt it.
>>332438971
Morrowind is comfy as fuck. I love how every light object casted lights and character shadows. In skyrim only 11 objects cast lights and the rest of the lights make no damn sense.
If Morrowind had Skyrim/Oblivion's combat to replace its dogshit system and some actual colors besides brown, it would be the definitive Elder Scrolls.
>>332441074
You forget that armor pieces in Morrowind were direct upgrades. Some pieces had better enchanting properties, while others had better armor or weight rating. Wearing clothing under and over armor was also a nice bonus for more enchanting. Having less to do and customize doesn't make a game better either.
>>332442164
*weren't* direct upgrades
