If you put any gay, trans, black etc characters into your game will gamers just shit on it because FORCED PANDERING or is there any way to do it that's acceptable?
>>332419458
Make them well written. The majority of the time, their sexuality/race is their defining characteristic. If they've got good motives, reasons for being there, and aren't just tossed in to make a tickmark for diversity/a quota, then it's fine.
Instead, they'll throw them in, even when the established lore implies they've no reason to be there. They'll be stand-offish, and generally without many flaws. It's not good character writing to have one-dimensional characters.
>>332419458
Don't advertise them as such. Give them substance.
>>332420078
This guy has the right of it.
>>332419458
No, put normal white people in your game you shitstain.
>>332420078
This. There'll still be people shitting on it, but the vast majority won't take issue if they're interesting and well written characters.
>>332419458
that ain't falco
>>332419458
>If you put any gay, trans, black etc characters into your game will gamers just shit on it because FORCED PANDERING or is there any way to do it that's acceptable?
Nah. It has been done before, and there's literally zero complaint about pic related being gay, it's not that most people this generation are homophobic or anything
>>332419458
hey, I know that guy.
He's kind of a douche
I'm sure there are good examples of gay characters in video games, I just can't think of any right now
>>332419458
Well I watched the latest gameplay of the game, and I seriously think its really shitty, its a rpg maker game with some nice shaders, thats all, animations completely suck, artstyle is atrocious and noob.
I dont see a future for that game AT ALL.
Not even trolling or anyhting :/
>>332419458
nah, hardmode is being an unattractive blackman born in the US.
Venom's gay as fuck, but he's also a cool badass.
I think it's a question of being in your face about it. A forced gay character is something western developers do a lot where they shoehorn in a line like "MY HUSBAND AND I [insert random shit]"
>>332420884
>born in the US
>hardmode
Jann is best homo
>>332420712
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRR-qRGhaRU
>>332420078
>it's not okay if your sexuality is your main characteristic!
>unless you're straight, then that's cool
>but if you're gay, please hide it so I don't get offended
>insert pic of Arcade Gannon here
>>332423493
Show me ONE character's whose sole gimmick is "I am STRAIGHT, you silly gaybois :3"
>>332423493
>strawman because you can't counter the argument
Why would someone being straight be their main characteristic? That would also be bad writing.
Now, if you're referring to someone like Ringabell from Bravely Default, who is a casanova, that's another thing. While it isn't the only facet of his character, it's the most glaring one. If a gay/lesbian character was similar in their pursuits, but only instead of the opposite gender, they pursued the same, that'd be fine.
However, I would hope there'd be more to their character than their sexual interest, for both straight/gay characters.
>>332423762
Waiting on this request to be filled as well.
>>332419458
little boy had a problem with his family and too soft for reading comments on the internet
>hard mode
be thankful that you had family, roof, food, electricity, computer, internet. You ungrateful piece of shit.
>>332420078
Like colonel volgin. Who was a total queer in case everyone forgot
>>332423762
>BIG AMERICAN TITTIES
>jeez roman, we get it, you're straight
Do it however you like because bigots and redpillers shouldn't be able to influence how you write your characters.
>>332423963
Roman was made to be vulgar though.
>>332423762
Any manwhore character.
>>332423963
>a couple of lines to to reinforce the characterization of him being obsessed with a childish oversimplification of America
>his sole gimmick
k
>>332423493
>not hiding your sexuality is the same as making it your defining characteristic or shoehorning it in
idiot
>>332423963
Roman isn't heteronormative, he's a bowling-kin.
>>332419458
Don't jam it in people's face, write a character first and if the topic is to be brought up give damn good reason for it, provide more than just making "is X" the entire character.
Basically this >>332420078
>>332419458
why would you want to put a gay/trans/black character in your game?
>>332424141
>>332423809
>Now, if you're referring to someone like Ringabell from Bravely Default, who is a casanova, that's another thing. While it isn't the only facet of his character, it's the most glaring one. If a gay/lesbian character was similar in their pursuits, but only instead of the opposite gender, they pursued the same, that'd be fine.
>However, I would hope there'd be more to their character than their sexual interest, for both straight/gay characters.
>>332419458
Sounds like a bunch of white people problems.
>>332423951
>he grabs snakes crotch
>>332424098
And that's the point. He can be super vulgar and lewd. But somehow, if a gay character talked about dicks and asses all the time, that's "shoving it in our faces." It's a double standard.
>>332419458
Look at the African kingdoms expansion of Age of Empires.
>>332424187
That's bullshit.
Any minority representation will be seen as forced these days.
I'm not going to aim to please homophobes/racists.
>>332419458
WELL WRTITTEN gay, trans and black characters is not forced pandering, it's how to make them part of a game without having them feel like they got the trait slapped onto them in the final stages of development like an afterthought. Compare, for instance, Kaine from Nier and compare it to whatever the fuck that trans girl in Dragon Age Inquisition was, and the difference is like night and day in terms of how well written they are.
>>332424274
He has more to his character than being a casanova, as that post indicated. You don't often see gay characters with the same traits, for whatever reason. Similar characters to him, though not MCs, would be Lara Mara/Lara Nara from Xenoblade Chronicles X, and noone complained about them. To say anything more about Ringabell's character would be to spoil key plot points of the game.
People can sort of tell if it's just forced pandering. There's a difference between "This is a character I had envisioned for this project, and had intended for it to be this way from the get go" and "Boy golly, this game needs to be acceptable to Tumblr."
>>332424319
No it's not. Roman and his flagrant refrences to sex and women is obnoxious and so is a faggot who can't shut up about how much he loves dick. Even still, that was only one facet of romans personality and it wasn't even genuine
>>332424319
Actually it's usually made to be "progressive" and that's about it.
There are plenty of good vulgar gay characters in GTA as well you know
if i made a game i'd have an obnoxious trans gay character just to piss you all off
>>332419458
I don't care what someone is, just write them as a good character.
Don't focus on an arbitrary thing that nobody gives a fuck about.
>>332420884
>born in the us
hardmode is being a sandnigger born in some syrian hellhole.
>>332419458
Write what you want- in ANY direction.
Someone complains? Fuck them.
t. aspiring writer working on his next project
>>332419458
No one complains about Bridget or Poison.
One Piece has an entire area full of transvestites and transgenders.
People generally don't care as long as no one tries to shove a political campaign down their throats with it.
>>332424484
There is a character in Catherine who is trans. They only mention this a total of one time for the sake of a gag because they know it doesn't matter for her as a character.
>>332423762
When has /v/ ever bitched about a black/nonwhite character aside from blatant /pol/ shilling?
How do you show that a character is gay/dyke without it seeming forced?
I was playingthe divisionand one of the characters brings up her wife out of nowhere which irked me at first but I realized if a female friend in real life said they had a wife I probably wouldn't be too surprised.
>>332424976
>when has /v/ bitched about a non white character except from the times they have
>>332424787
That's another problen with western depictions of minority characters and not just in the gaming community.
they're not really characters at all, they're just vehicles for the writers to express their political or social activist opinions through.
>>332424667
How it it made to be "progressive"? People are multifaceted beings. You can have a straight guy who's a man whore or a gay guy who's prudish. And vice versa.
>>332425009
>I realized if a female friend in real life said they had a wife I probably wouldn't be too surprised.
Maybe because she's an actual human being with it's own character rather than a video game character with a shoed-in personality trait?
>>332425009
Life is created at random, a videogame is not.
>>332424936
>no Erika path
>>332424936
It can matter quite a bit though
I'd agree that it's only a small part of the person if bigotry didn't exist, but the struggles those people go through can shape them as people.
Not that it has to be brought up in video games all the time. But my point remains.
>>332425065
Maybe he should've said
"when has the majority of /v/ bitched about a well-written minority/gay person in vidya?"
Because as I recall /v/ liked Ballad of Gay Tony, and a lot of other well written characters like Volgin.
>>332425065
>jgl
>ethnicity: Ashkenazi jewish
DROPPED
>>332425009
well irl youd already know that your friend is a lesbian and has a wife so it wouldnt come out so obviously
as the audience, we don't know all the intricate details that the characters already know so they have to say it out loud to inform the audience, it comes off as weird and unnatural sounding because it is
a way around this is to have a character description you can read to get all pertinent information about the character without it being awkwardly stated in game
>>332425217
Ah, that sounds better.
>>332419458
1. Their whole characterization doesn't revolve around their gender/sexual preferences unless the game's design calls for it.
There. Done.
>>332424976
Never been in a Mafia 3 thread, huh?
Now THERE is where you see the serious stormfronters show up.
>>332419458
>literally who
wtf was his dream?
I bet after that long butturt wall of text it is retarded.
>>332420659
At the same time he's also not a forced gay character. His gayness is completely essential to the character and the entire plot of the series. If he wasn't gay basically none of the events past the first half of MGS3 would have happened the way they did.
>>332425009
All the characters in the division are one dimensional
Also they are all sarcastic as fuck. I really hope they give me the option to join the antagonist agents.
>>332425413
Daily reminder that both Volgin and Ocelot being gay caused all the Metal Gear games to exist
>>332425237
He's still fucking hot.
If you don't agree, you're GAY.
>>332425367
hes and indie dev who has been making this game that is stuck in development hell for like 10 years
>>332423951
I totally forgot about him, that was such a good character
>>332419458
Note how it's only conservatives who complain. Liberals make video games, while conservatives are creatively bankrupt, thus inferior.
>>332420078
As much as I agree with this bland "characters should be well-written" statement, I feel like it's often used as a deflection.
Heterosexual background romance is a pretty frequent occurrence in every genre, but I believe homo background romance would be criticized by /v/ as being pandering because "being gay is their only trait.
It's all-too-often that a character exists purely to be The Love Interest, but this is usually ignored and isn't even always a bad thing. But if this character were gay, that would suddenly be bad because it's pandering.
It's weird to hold gay characters to a higher standard of writing than straight ones, but I guess it can't be helped with the amount of pretty badly written gay characters.
>>332419458
Don't make it part of your ad campaign.
>>332423493
So the only characteristic in your life is that you are gay?
Kind of a sad existance.
![Dorian-Dragon-Age-Inquisition[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8nCEqXV.jpg "Dorian-Dragon-Age-Inquisition[1].jpg")
>>332420215
>Give them substance.
Implying being the first "fully gay" character bioware has written is not substance enough, and then some...
That and his AMAZING ´TACHE!and then you discover that there is actually something to his character other than THE GAY, and your little justice mage heart breaks...
>>332424962
But anonhe was written to be gay and it was cut so last minute they even recorded English voice lines for it.
>>332425326
>first 2 mafia games
>play as an italian american rising through a mafia crime family
>3rd mafia game
>lol fuck that let's just make the main char a black dude whose part of a multiracial gang that targets the mafia instead
Yeah I'd say the anger is kind of justified since it's not a mafia game at all...
>>332425835
It's probably due to, like you said, the number of badly written gay characters. People often see this as evidence of pushing an agenda through your characters, which, coupled with the shit the developers spout on their twitter/sites, is extremely likely.
Good characters who are gay, such as the one from New Vegas, many of the Metal Gear characters, and others are often simply not made a big deal of, since it's unnecessary. Should we call them out? Most people see no reason to do so.
If a character is written with believable flaws, and isn't just a voicepiece for the developer, I'm fairly sure people wouldn't complain if they were a gay love interest/had a lover they lost who is their motivation.
>>332424962
>yosuke
>straight
Know why everyone hates homos in vidya? The same reason people hate vegans and vapers in real life. They cannot go a nanosecond without declaring that aspect of their life to everyone for any reason.
As for black people, they're ridiculously overrepresented as is in American media (aka most of the world's media). Yet, liberal white cucks still insist EVERYTHING everywhere must have a mandatory black person representation quota. The most popular video game settings are ones where the population is homogeneous, which somehow translates to racism, unless said homogeneous population is black. Mind you, no one ever bitches about the lack of Indians, Arabs, Native Americans, or any Asians, because it's always white cucks that are pushing the issue.
>>332419458
You shouldn't put any LGBT characters in any fucking game. It's fucking disgusting and all of it is a mental disorder that can and already cured by medicine.
>>332426349
Next gta should take place on a canadian rez with a native main character lol
>>332423493
Name a noteworthy heterosexual character whose heterosexuality is his defining characteristic, you TREMENDOUS non-sexual faggot.
Not only can you not do so, but you are also doing everyone a disservice by condoning making sexality matter more than any actual character.
>>332426483
>cured by medicine
what
>>332425960
Dorian is so fucking cliche and I loathe everything about him but he's probably the "best-written" actual gay person with gay problems in video games. I say that because he is really the only one I can think of.
>>332423951
Volgin also did eva, in case you forgot.
>>332426230
I'll agree.
I've literally never heard a single person complain about Endrance and he's one of the most blatantly and openly gayok technically he's bicharacters in any JRPG I know of. Like I actually cannot think of a single other JRPG where your character can be in such a blatantly gay relationship. But nobody complains about him becauseunderage and bad taste haven't played .Hackhe was well written and a really good character.
>>332426510
You go to mental asylum and they feed you pills.
>>332425985
>it was cut
>>332426729
>>332426741
I mean technically they did cut his confession where he admits that he wants Yu's cock. He's still a massive faggot but now he's just in the closet about it all game.
>>332420078
This.
>>332426601
>being this pedantic
Volgin falls outside heteronormative behavior and people don't make a big deal out of it because he's a great character who is not solely defined by his sexuality.
Any talk of gamers being "fill in the blank" phobic has no merit
>>332426548
Endrance from .Hack GU, although his problems are more related to a shitty past relationship than homophobia.
>>332426349
Or maybe you're just bigoted and make sure to actively look for anything that fits your specific worldview?
>>332426146
African American mafias existed.
No one in those threads is complaining about inaccuracies, they're complaining about how "niggers aren't smart enough for organized crime"
>>332426483
>it is a mental disorder that can and already cured by medicine.
So is your lack of tolerance.
So hurry up and go get it cured.
Takes only heavy psychoactive drugs and painful electro shocks, but judging from your disposition, nothing that should be shunned for the desired effect.
I only really mind when the developers make a big deal about it.
All the shadow hearts games have gay background characters. Stereotypical overtly gay characters who flirt with you all the time, and it doesn't really matter because some people are just gay.
But if the developers made a big press release saying, "Check out these fags and pat us on the back for being so progressive" I'd be really turned off.
>>332423762
>>332427036
Nah, I'm just not an American/West Euro white cuck trying to earn social points with his white liberal social circle. On that note, your black people are also almost as obnoxious as you due to the inflated ego they get from how much representation they get in the media, while only being 10% of your population.
It's the same shit you people pull with the feminism bullshit. You whine feminism, yet it's always white girl none issues that are at the forefront of complaints.
>>332421114
I don't think Venom's gay, he's just homo for ZATO-SAMA.
>>332427146
>African American mafias existed.
Are you sure about this one?
I thought "Mafia" was an Italian thing. As Triads are Chinese, Yakuzas are Japanese, Cartel are Mexicans and so on and so on.
>>332427146
Please stop trying to justify it by claiming organized crime groups exist among other ethnicities because that's a moot point. Players have an expectation for the series since it deals explicitly with italian american organized crime. That's what the series was built upon: a relatively realistic look at the mafia through the video game medium.
Instead of going forward and continuing that theme, the makers decided to give a giant middle finger to their fanbase. All of this could have been avoided btw if they just made this game a side story in the mafia universe instead of the official 3rd entry of the series, but nah fuck the fans, right?
>>332426548
ellie from TLOU, although her sexuality is ambiguous.
>>332426981
True, but from a different standpoint, his sexuality, or lets say the exorbitance of it, definitely IS one of his characteristics, not a major one, but having his fukboi being his, probably completely incompetent, second-in-command which everyone knows and which he shamelessly flaunts, and that he basically rapes eva, contributes to his appeal as a villain.
>>332426508
>>332426981
>Volgin falls outside heteronormative behavior
Let's be honest, he's (extremely likely) a top. People care a lot more when the character is a bottom.
>>332427917
checkmate GGers
>>332427778
The Ellie thing was pretty obviously something they decided on to cash in on the current climate surrounding video games and everyone trying to show how progressive they are, though. I think they even admitted in an interview that it wasn't originally part of her character but they decided that would be a cool thing to do in the DLC. Which fucking sucked, by the way. It's not every day a dev comes out with DLC to add to the game that actually does more to damage the story than improve it.
>>332419458
You can be as progressive as you want anon, you are just not getting my money.
>>332426508
Leisure Suit Larry
>>332427778
Well, of course, your sexuality is a part of what makes you who you are, and we're not saying that a characters sexuality should have no part in the story we're simply asking that it be well written and not take over the entirety of the character.
Volgin's sexuality added to his character. His sadistic sexual practices made him more menacing and interesting. It spiced it up. But too much spice will ruin a dish.
>>332428220
> Leisure Suit Larry
Did someone unironically like this series?
>>332426508
Literally every casanova character.
>>332425151
>or a gay guy who's prudish.
Only Maps do this right.
>>332427243
what is tidus doing there?
Animes get away with having homo shit all the time. How do they do it?
Why do SJWs think asians count as white people?
>>332423963
>>332427558
duke is a parody and everyone hates roman though
>>332428675
Because it's fine when cute girls do it.
>>332426349
Confirmed for not actually knowing any vegans capers or homos irl. I've lived in SF for years, and I've never met anyone who paraded their lifestyle choices around like what the internet describes. Those people do exist, but they are loud, minority cliques that write blogs and keep to themselves.
>>332427917
>>332428220
How many straight characters are out there? What percentage of them fit the bill? Why is that percentage so low that's almost an exception, not a rule? Why is that percentage almost 100% when it comes to homosexual characters when they're a fraction?
Tell me how you wouldn't be triggered if people made the gay Johnny Bravo. Keep in mind Johnny is a comedy relief character, and will be laughed AT not WITH. So what we'll be laughing at is not just the character, but his flamboyant homosexuality, in the same manner Johnny is laughed at.
>>332428396
Tidus is traveling across America to take pictures of ghosts and find out why his pocket knife can become a lightsaber.
Alongside a mexican who's guitarra activates hidden missile silos, an american ninja warrior, a 7ft tall cat who mastered drunken boxing, and a master race german vampire who can switch between melee and magic depending on the calories of the blood she sucks. It's tons of fun and you should really check it out.
>>332428675
Rather than limiting the amount of fanservice targeted at straight men, Japan has simply created more fanservice targeted at women and homos
I don't think it's the best solution, personally, but I can't really complain.
>>332428675
Because japanese are faggots.
don't be a western dev
>>332428675
Equal opportunity instead of libcuck "equality". They have THEIR OWN shows/games/media, instead of insisting on hijacking other people's interests.
>>332428987
Erica is best tgirl
Sexuality can impact personality.
Sexuality should not be your personality.
It's been said numerous times in this thread.
You could go so rediculously camp That it's almost insulting, but have them be really good at killing people.SPHINX!
>>332429685
>post-op
>>332428681
because that fits their agenda
>>332428947
I don't really care about percentages or rules. I don't care if Johnny Bravo was gay. The whole point of this is to say that gay characters can be whatever they want to be like straight characters.
But /v/ doesn't like it if gay characters act gay or mention their gayness too much. And that's bullshit.
Drop the subtlety. No more half-assed normalization and integration of their deviancy.
>wew lad the bad guys are after us, looks like it's gonna be a bumby ride, or at least that's what my ***HUSBAND*** would say (teehee that's right I'm a man married to another man lol!)
>hey commander I feel sad about ashley and the war, want me to come up to your cabin so we can partake in sodomy?
Be accurate. Give me rainbow-flamboyant sexual deviants who talk with a lisp and have hundreds of sexual partners. Give me 6' tall mentally unstable trannies with deep voices, stubble, and a vast array of daddy issues. Give me idiotic baboons who talk in ebonics and are obsessed with DBZ.
>>332419458
>black
Yeah, nobody has ever admitted to liking the cole train, FF7 Berret, Bo from Binary domain or any negro in a video game at all.
>>332420269
This. I don't understand why any straight white man would make the hero of their game a non white man, although a white girl is also acceptable. If you're a minority and LGBT (etc.) then it's understandable if you want to represent yourself in games but why anyone else would want to force it in there I have no idea. I guess it adds variety but that's only if its done in a subtle way which it usually isn't.
>>332430575
>But /v/ doesn't like it if gay characters act gay or mention their gayness too much. And that's bullshit.
That entire sentence is bullshit.
>>332419458YOUREAFUCKINGWHITEMALE
>>332430905
I just want a game with only white people in it for once. What's so hard about that?
>>332430621
You know, Gay Tony was pretty decent as a character. Based on the trailers, I expected him to be flamboyant and over the top, but he was pretty decent overall.
>>332419458
I want to find this man's dad and his fiancee's parents and take them out for a delicious steak dinner where we all sit around laughing at how pathetic he is.
>>332430928
Do you not get your monthly thread reminder that Arcade Gannon is a good gay character because he only mentions he's gay once in passing and basically that's how all gay characters should be? Arcade is a good gay character but it's bullshit to say that all gay characters should be like Arcade.
We've had minorities in gaming and other forms of media for ages. Now it's suddenly progressive thing to have, which has probably played it's part in irritating people too.
>>332419458
I've been around various communities for years. If we're being honest, it was a rare issue in the past, but nothing big enough to make it worth talking about. A vast majority didn't give a shit enough either way. And we have multiple examples to point to where it's been done.
Once the far leftist shit got going, all of that went to shit. So, now? No, there's no "acceptable way", because somebody's feelings are going to be hurt; somebody won't feel strong or special, and that's the real problem now.
Welcome to hell, faggot.
>>332431052
Kek.
>>332423963
But that's not his sole gimmick. He's actually a pretty well-rounded character, for a crass brainless schlub.
>>332431314
I think literally everyone in MGS1 was white.
>>332431567
No, there's the black guy who dies in the intro and some of the guards may not be white.
>>332426817
that fucking gif....its like the question you only have 1 rock so for who do you aim
>>332431567
There was Raven and motherfucking papa Sigint
>>332431647
yeah lol I just want to smash their faces in haha just to see what it's like hehehe
>>332419458
>You want to know what playing through life on hard mode is?
>It's reading mean comments online :(
Fucking pathetic how much weight someone's words on the Internet has in this day and age
>>332431567
Vulcan Raven was a inuit.
Sniper Wolf was a Iraqi Kurd. No I don't think that Kojima actually knew what a kurd looked like at the time when making the game.
>>332425835
>Heterosexual background romance is a pretty frequent occurrence in every genre
>It's weird to hold gay characters to a higher standard of writing than straight ones
It's fairly undestandable considering that being straight is the norm and homosexuality is something out of the ordinary and only a small minority is affected by it
That Thunder guy from Fable was the absolute niggest. I remember he had a headband that made him look like a tribal and also a monster huge jaw.
>>332419458
Falco'd
>>332431567
Metal Gear's pretty fucking ethnically and culturally diverse; more so than any other game I can think of. Which makes it even more hilarious when it gets attacked on that subject.
I think it was retconned, but I'm pretty sure even Solid was Japanese/White at some point.
>>332432543
Who the fucks attacking it? I was pointing that out as a recommendation for the other guy.
>>332431836
Human contact is human contact, even if it's through a computer screen. We make light of what people do on the internet, but words are words, and they weren't typed by accident. Sometimes, it's easy to just dismiss them as the drivel of a gaggle of shit-eating retards, but if you've already got a bunch of people IRL attacking you, as this guy claims to have, then even trolling on the internet can get to you, because then it feels like you're being attacked on all sides. I'm not saying you should feel any different about this guy, because he looks like a douchebag imo, but stuff people do and say on the internet CAN and DOES have an impact in many instances, and it's not pathetic, it's just how it is.
>>332431759
Cunt
>>332424962
>Straight
>>332419458
Bad press is still good press newfag
neat
>>332431759
i said throw a single rock not bash their faces in man
>>332435669
just want to make them bleed a little you know? just a little lol
>>332431427
So you want gay characters to be like "btw i'm gay" when it's unwarranted? Do you think straight characters should be like "btw i'm straight" when it's unwarranted?
>>332433012
>and it's not pathetic,
It's still pathetic desu. If you have that thin skin then get out of the internet.
>>332432975
>I think literally everyone in MGS1 was white.
You are, you mouth-breathing mong.
>>332419458
No.
Back before what, 2010? Nobody gave a fuck. Minority characters were always in fuckin games and nobody gave a fuck.
This new everyone has to be """""""""""""""represented""""""""""""" bullshit is what makes everyone fuckin mad.
>>332424172
>Underrated. Here's a (You) for making my sides tickle.
If a character's defining traits is what is in their pants or what they want to fuck then it's a bad character.
MUH FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS
>>332419458
Just do it where it makes sense and isn't the whole character.
Arcade Gannon is a good example of a well done gay character. He has more characterization beyond being gay and he only really mentions it if you specifically ask him about it.
>>332430621
this is the real answer. if you're going to make a gay character make it a fun gay character. not some shit that you slipped in the back door to push an agenda.
Why the fuck do gays need to be "represented" so much anyway. Why stop there should everyone's fucking fetish be """"""""represented"""""""" in games? Fuck off.
>>332425835
Trust me I cringe at badly written straight romances just as much as shoved in gay romances.
>>332419458
if making a completely uninspired, generic ripoff of old JRPGs is "your dream", it really is better to simply kill yourself
also check out videos of his game, it is one of the worst looking things i've ever seen
>>332433012
Well instead of seeing himself as flawed, he misunderstands the hate and uses it as fuel. That's not healthy, man.
His game is shitty as fuck and was made for a niche group of people that SUPPORTED trying to bring his dream into reality yet he's acting like he's doing us all a favor. He's the fucking epitome of everything we hate in indie devs and he isn't even gay or trans.
If you're gonna add gay characters to your game the least you can do is make them campy as fuck or not make it extremely obvious.
>>332424762
Nah man, hard mode is african baby born on shore of a hippo river.
>>332437585
I don't get this modern trend of taking criticisms and resenting them instead of using them to improve yourself. If everyone that plays your game says it has shitty writing, FIND OUT WHY AND FIX IT.
>>332431836
Actually if you read the post most of it was about how his entire family considers him a failure for chasing his shitty dream in the laziest way possible.
It's tragic that you missed that part, because it's the funniest.
>>332420078
And there it is.
>>332424762
>Well Memhet, the water is running out, the food ran out two days ago, Daesh-fucks will execute us, as will gov-fucks and the kurd-fucks are on the ass end of the country.
> We're running out of ammo, what do we do?
> We kill them Ahmed. We kill them all.
>>332427558
I wasn't even on the Duke train, and yet this image fills me with sorrow.
>>332437207
someone please answer this.
Why aren't fetishes being hyped up like being gay?
This guy is gay according to Itoi himself.
Is this shoehorning?
If they're an actual character and not just a token insert, they're fine.
Nobody is going to make a shitstorm over Tygan, for instance.
>>332425536
>Left wing communist are always gay
>>332438296
Trust me in a few more years they will be. I already see a bunch of calling people not liking their fetish 'kink shaming'.
>>332424589
There's also Mia's parents, You do her affinity mission where she hypes up her parents through the whole thing at the end and she subtly says something like "I sure hope my dads are okay."
>>332428681
Because Asians are actually better off than white people and that breaks their already established narrative.
>>332419458
Just don't special snowflake them and treat them like you would any of character
>>332420215
>Don't advertise them as such
This too
I want to DISCOVER that they are gay. I don't want to just be told in a press release. I want to go around a world and find interesting people and talk to them and become friends and have them say. "Hey, can I tell you something? It's been bothering me for a while, but I think I finally figured it out. I like you, a lot. Like how a women would. I know that's weird, but I was hoping you would feel the same way."
back to the containment board stupid regressive bigots
>>>/pol/
>>332419458
White people are so whiny and pathetic.
>>332438440
Yes, because it doesn't change anything. It's saying it for literally no reason. His being gay doesn't change the story, nor are there any hints to it. It is vapid and inane.
I will say this, when I write. I don't even think about characters sexuality. As far as I am concerned, everyone is Asexual until the time where I decide to bring sex into something. Such as a character getting married.
If their sexuality has no story significance, then I will avoid it, because it has no place in it and if anyone asks me, I will tell them to fuck off because they obviously are still too obsessed with their own sexuality and need to project it on others.
>>332419458
Bioware
>>332419458
>Hey mom and dad I'm going to quit my engineering job to beg for money on the Internet to make a shitty video game so I can be cool in the eyes of my alcoholic hipster friends
>Son that is a bad idea
>LIKE OMG MOM AND DAD LIKE MY LIFE WASN'T HARD MODE ENOUGH ALREADY LIKE GAWD
>>332420078
I love this post, because it always triggers the NeoGAF users who try and force this shit on /v/.
They can't argue against it, and gets them so mad every time.
>>332430905
What if I want my protagonist to be a black marine?
I don't know why, I just always picture a bald black when I think of the marine corps.
Can I not do that without being accused of pandering because I'm a a white guy?
You have 5 seconds to tell me why gay characters should be in video games at all.
That gay bloke in The Last of Us was done well I thought. Added to his character and added a bit of history to it in subtle ways.
>>332421404
My nigga
>>332442024
>nor are there any hints to it
He tells Jeff he had a dream they were taking a walk together, and Jeff gets weirded out.
>When I found out Moxxi was bi
That's hot
>When I found out Axton was bi
Uhh...why?
>When I found out Tiny Tina was bi
She's like fucking 14 isn't she? How does she know?
>When I found out Torgue was bi
You're just fucking with me now, Burch.
>When Janey Springs constantly tells me she's gay
I fucking hate you, Burch
>When Athena was introduced in BL1 and brought back in TPS
You KNOW she's probably gay. She got that fucking soldier shit going on female comraderie muh sister fraternity shit going on. It's cool though, she kicks ass.
>When Atena is CONFIRMED gay WITH Janey
Way to fucking write, Burch! Must've been hard trying to figure that one out! Muh progress!
>>332419458
>Literally who
>Noone to be produ of my "achievement"
>quit a good job for a job everyone h8 u
>PEOPLE IS JEALOUS OF ME
Shit this is the kind of people that shouldn't be making decisions by his own.
>>332419458
First write the game from beginning to end. Finish the story and all dialogue. Basically, create the actual characters.
Then at the end, randomize the race, gender and sexual orientation of every character, with the ratios the same as in the real world.
This is the most fool-proof way to avoid tainting the writing.
>>332444095
You can't tell the sexual orientation of a character just by looking at them though.
>>332419458
I've never understood MUH DIVERSITY. Why does everyone feel like everything needs to be tailored specifically to them?
I actually don't get it. It all seems like petty narcissism. I won't refuse to play a game if I don't look like a character. I won't refuse to play a game if the character is ripped and handsome. Or another race. Or another fucking species. And if I wanted something more to my tastes I'd try to find something else, or better yet make it myself. I won't try to change someone else's work. Everyone's a bunch of fucking babies.
>>332443993
>Way to fucking write, Burch!
He literally admitted he doesn't care about the quality of his writing as long as he's following his agenda. He really believes forcing gay chracters in a shitty shooter with lolrandumb humour makes a difference. It's probably the only way a talentless pathetic retard like him can feel good about himself
>>332425835
A "heterosexual love story" is just a love story. Heterosexual is the default, queers are a tiny minority. This is reality, deal with it.
>>332419458
>Life on hardmode
>First world problems
Someone send this cuck to Africa.
Here's a solution: KEEP ROMANCE OUT OF VIDEO GAMES PERIOD.
I don't care if you're straight. I don't care if you're gay. I don't care if you're some kind of kin. I don't care in the slightest if you're some kind of "empowered sexy woman who don't need no man" or "patriarchy smashing feminist". put it all in the garbage if ever dares to interrupt my gameplay experience.
>>332419458
If their entire character isn't "Lol I'm Black/Gay/Trans, and they have more standout qualities than just that, I'll like it. I only whine about it being forced if it is just that, forced.
>>332419458
I don't think so. Yeah there's going to be that vocal minority being cunts about anything that changes, but I think there is a difference between a game that clearly only puts black, trans, gay, etc. characters into their game just because it's the cool thing now and a game which is build with a story that includes these characters. The character Bill from The Last of Us is a good gay character because he's relatable; he would still be a good character regardless of whether or not they revealed his sexuality. I find that when game studios put in gay, black, female, etc. characters into their games, it only exists for the game to say "hey look, did you know this character is different? Let's constantly remind you how progressive we are by diversifying the cast." Taking the Bill example, if a game can just say "hey this character is X" and still have that character behave and act just like everyone else without any need to be reminded about their difference, they I'm am 100% on board with that. Or alternatively, if they want to touch on certain issues to do with their racial differences or sexuality, do it in a serious light and make the characters relatable.
>>332424319
No it wouldnt, because theres a gay guy just like roman but an asshole in TBOGT who is pretty funny and well done because of how gross he is about it.
>>332425835
I hate romance in any games, it's usually poorly written and takes a lot away from the game.Unless it's setting up to NTR
>>332425009
I mean, in a better game that'd be fine. If it's a war game and a girl mentions that she wants to get back home to her wife and nobody points it out specifically/makes a fuss, I'd be 100% ok with it. the problem is that being these things is a selling point, so devs like to shove it in everyone's faces saying "LOOK AT HOW GAY THESE PEOPLE ARE! BUY OUR GAME SO YOU CAN SEE THEIR GAY!"
>add gay fuckboi character
>lIke he's super gay
>John Waters gay
>he does gay shit
>try to romance him as a male character
>"what bro I'm not gay I slam puss all around town"
I want this.
>turns out he does
>>332444720
True, 'bunch of fucking babies' seem even too soft for these kind of people
>>332420078
Example of good homosexual character.
Arcade from Fallout:NV
Bad example of homosexual character.
Homosexual mustache man in DA:I
These are facts
>>332427648
Look up the Black Mafia
>>332427681
How is it a middle finger?
Because the protagonist isn't white? That's what everyone is focusing on.
/pol/ btfo
>>332437070
>flamboyancy is pushing an agenda
>subtly is pushing an agenda
No pleasing you faggots.
>>332423493
Get out faggot.
>>332426642
>Like I actually cannot think of a single other JRPG where your character can be in such a blatantly gay relationship
Persona 2.
SJWs never played it, yet praise Kanji from Persona 4 to high heaven, despite the fact he's straight.
>>332443993
Janey was supposed to be a huge fucking wreck though, and telling you her orientation constantly was part of that. The game is kinda written from Athena's standpoint to some extent and it's Janey's super awkward way of hitting on her.
That's not to excuse the shitty writing in other ways and Burch definitely has an orientation equality soapbox thing going. But I did kinda find Athena and Janey a little cute in the end.
>>332420078
First post best post. This is why Veronica was a good character and gay mustache man was awful.
>>332445301
So you want any JRPG character ever?
Nobody has any real problem with gay characters. The problem is that every single gay character is gay just to be fucking gay. Take the Division for example.
>Dr. Kandel
>"My wife always says I'm better with pathogens than with people!"
>HAHA OH WOW SO SHE'S A DOCTOR AND GAY? HOW INSPIRING!!!
>>332420078
this is correct but the shitters on 4chan will still be whining.
>>332431567
Sigint is Black.
Raven is Inuit.
Wolf is Kurdish.
Octopus is Mexican.
And both Snakes are part Japanese.
>>332446189
Exactly.
>>332419458
Don't make them shout "btw i'm gay" every fucking minute. Hell, they could be straight and it'd still be annoying as shit to hear them exclaim that they love pussy the whole day.
>>332425132
This. It's just a blatant appeal to make their game more marketable to the lgbt crowd. This is why 90% the characters are poorly written and one-dimensional; because they're written by straight people who are just trying to show how progressive they are by slapping the "gay friendly" label on their game.
>>332423762
Duke Nukem
>>332446189
But that example means it was just brought up in conversation, like anybody else would bring up their spouse. How is that the wrong way to do it?
>>332442024
So Nintendo has been shoehorning it into their games since 1994. Good to know.
>>332446495
90% of Japanese characters are also poorly written and one dimensional. The best characters you'll find are in games that are not trying to market in any crowd; which would be the SJWs in the west and the Otaku / Obsessive Fans in the east.
Deadly Premonition for example has some of the best characters I've seen despite the huge gameplay issues. Thomas is really close to being a great gay character if he wasn't so stereotyped in terms of visual mannerisms. Persona 2 was pretty good as well; but Japan has this issue where homosexuality is conflated with femininity and you see it occur in the rare games that feature gay characters.
>>332446742
The division is about an epidemic of a man-made virus and the aftermath of it in New York. The virus is still running rampant and all hell has broken lose with gangs/ex-military taking control of the streets. Sexual orientation has no place in it unless there's some romance aspect of the game. There's not.
>But that example means it was just brought up in conversation
The conversation goes like this. The main character just went through hell to get a virus sample. He/she is just now getting back to base and this is the very first thing they talk about.
>You brought in samples and we're working on making a vaccine.
>Oh, and thanks for bringing in that other doctor. Now they get to treat people while I do research on the vaccine. This'll make getting a vaccine much quicker!!!
>Oh and btw, I'm telling you I'm gay with this funny joke! Also we got divorced!
>Anwyays, we're almost halfway done with the vaccine. Good job.
Which one of these does not belong????
>>332446742
Look how fucking hamfisted this conversation was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v1YCgQpgWw
>>332420078
You know what really makes me happy? Learning about someone's sexuality via normal innocent interaction. So few games do this, it's just so great when it happens.
>>332447442
['my husband' intensifies]
>>332442024
This is a bad way to write. Sexuality is just as important to a character as their gender, race, circumstances etc. If you write a character as being asexual up until the last minute you're missing the biggest aspect of character writing in that they are sums of multiple traits and experiences. That's how you write a deeper character.
For example if you're writing a stereotypical fantasy novel you can't write characters without race until the very end because a dwarf might exist in a very different societal context than a human. The same is true for a gay dwarf vs a gay human, which in turn influences their behaviour based on how they were raised, how open they were sexually and so forth.
Writing a character with only the end point involved is a pathway towards either shallow characterization or a shallow world. Since you accept that either the world was irrelevant to their growth (ie gay people were accepted among all racial societies), or that they merely popped into existence and ignored all of those hardships until convenient.
>>332424936
Isn't her nightmare her agonizing over the fact that she's in a relationship with a guy who doesn't know and she feels awful about doing it?
>>332423963
I know this was four hours ago, but I just find it funny that out of all the examples this guy could have chosen, he chooses the one series with a well-written gay character in one of its DLCs.
That's some real irony right there.
>>332444972
But I want to have cute lesbian relationships
>>332447560
>Writing a character with only the end point involved is a pathway towards either shallow characterization or a shallow world.
This is some of the dumbest shit I've ever read on this website. Does Rambo's sexuality have anything to do with First Blood? Does his sexuality not being talked about make him a more shallow of a character? Giving someone a backstory where their sexuality matters because they were demonized or whatever can make a character have more depth. However, you can trade sexuality for an act.
>Roger is gay so he was demonized growing up.
>This caused him to become a better, stronger person.
>Roger caused an accident that injured/kill some people. He was demonized from then on.
>This caused him to become a better, stronger person.
There's literally no difference and this is why most gay characters in games are awful. The fact that they're gay has nothing to do with their characterization or their story. They're just gay to be gay. Them being gay doesn't alter the story or their character in any way. That's literally the epitome of shallow.
>>332419458
FUCKING casual.
True hard mode is being born in a poor African farmer family or living as a child in a pedo ring. Hell, even being a hobo is harder then that gay shit.
>>332444972
I've said this before too. I don't know why so many insecure cunts need their sexuality choices reinforced in a video game of all fucking things, but it needs to end.
It's like assigning a sexuality to Kirby. I mean Jesus fuck.Even though he's totes gay for borb.
>>332425835
heterosexual romance isnt any better
it always ranges from something forced upon you, ie your character is already established and while not actually having a personality will mumble "muh wife" or "muh girlfriend" every ten minutes to remind you that everything you do is for the sake of a nonperson that youre forced to have some kind of personal stake in, to some vague kind of quest reward like "thank you [insert hero here] for those ten orc pelvises you retrieved for me, i now love you, let us mash genitals as the screen conveniently fades to black"
>>332444972
This, it's a fucking game. If I want romance I'll go watch some cheesy flick or read a book for fuck's sake.
go back to /pol/ you stupid bigots
