Ok niggers. Which version is best? Enhanced or original with mods i.e. HD res, BGT etc.
I figure the dust has long settled by now.
>>332412412
EE, the new component is purely optional and 2 of the 4 new companions are actually pretty good.
>>332412750
>2 of the 4 new companions are actually pretty good.
which 2?
>>332412917
Rasaad and Neera.
Honestly Dorn is fine too as long as you can ignore the fact he has optional bisex route.
>>332412750
All four are shit.
>>332413318
Ebin anon. I bet you didn't even play it and parrot like a retard.
>>332412412
Original without mods > Original with mods > not playing at all > Enhanced Edition
>>332413287
I need Dorn to be good for my edgemaster playthroughs.
>>332413580
Dorn is as edgy as you can get seeing as he's a Blackguard.
Don't fall for the /v/ memeing about EE just because BG1EE had a rushed launch thanks to Atari being garbage publisher.
>>332413531
what exactly soured your disposition toward EE?
What's a fun face class in BG 1/2? I was thinking Elven Berserker, dual wield long swords
>>332413287
Dorn wanting to have gay sex with my char was funny though.
>>332413958
Kensai/Mage dualclass, always.
Alternatively pic related.
>>332414082
is unarmed dragon disciple decent in low levels?
>>332413861
Vanilla is perfect. Mods come in two varieties. The sort that either tries to spruce the visuals up, which is sort of pointless given that the low-res doll models is half the charm; or the ones that add shitty fanfic garbage in it. I can understand the former if you're a babby who didn't play BG when it was new and the visuals hurt you to look at. But the latter?
Enhanced Edition doesn't even give you the option. You HAVE to take the shitty mods with the acceptable ones. It wasn't broke, but they still figured they'd fix it, like adding walkie talkies to ET.
There's literally no logical explanation in preferring originals over EE with a few mods.
Even if you dislike optional content (Neera and that nigger vampire were horrible but monk was pretty good) you can just ignore it.
>>332414201
Obviously anon.
2d4 is better than 1d6 with staff.
>>332413958
Wild Mage, obviously.
>>332414223
>liking vanilla BG1 on BG1 engine mechanics
BARF
>>332414223
Baldur's Gate Trilogy and that other mod (I can't remember its name) that does the same job are neither of those though. Others are saying the optional content is actually optional and I'm all for a couple of new characters. whether they're worth it or shitty fanfic is where subjectivity comes in. I've played the original so many times I would like to see what they add. I also prefer the game being a bit more zoomed out.
>>332414441
>wanting the game to pause when opening the inventory
Disgusting.
>>332412412
I got all versions of the game(Even a german one) and i load up EE. Just skip the added companions and you should be fine.
>>332414776
There is literally 0 reason to play original over EE anon.
Not to mention all the engine improvements and bugfixes that can't be implemented with mods since some of the bugs were on engine level.
Also, Infinity Engine was written in Assembly so I can't even imagine how hellish it must be to work with it.
Baldur's Gate was never good.
The only good thing to come out of it was Infinity Engine because it allowed Torment to exist (even though it would stil have been a better game if it was turn-based).
>>332414441
t.BornAfter1995
>>332415616
Try again faggot, born in 91
Original BG1 engine is broken on so many levels and you're a retard for liking objective shit.
>>332412412
They're practically the same the regular version just requires some extra effort to install mods for
What's a good guide for this game?
>>332415551
>le smug anime shitpost face
Classic
>>332415616
The reason a mod exists that allows you to play BG1 on the BG2 engine is because BG1's engine is just not that good.
>>332416062
The manual
>Beamdog wants to sell 1 million copies of an expansion to a 17 year old game
What the actual fuck.
>>332416187
There is very little the BG2 engine does better or adds to the game.
>>332416062
you play it.
>>332416187
>a mod
Try 2.
TuTu and BGT.
>>332416327
It improves pathfinding a bit and changes some spells around
>>332416327
It made a big enough difference to me to warrant the hassle of installing the mods. I always find it much better.
>>332416230
http://steamspy.com/app/228280
The game isn't even owned by half million people. I don't see how they expect to sell 1 million copies of the expansion when the base game sold half that.
>>332415710
>born in 91
>says that like he's proud of it
So you were 7 when Baldur's Gate game out. My point is proven. Too young to know better.
>augh this game looks hard on my virginal babby eyes
>must suck
>if it was any good it'd be on xbox live
>>332416509
Or you could just play EE which has ToB engine on steroids with further improvements.
>>332416329
I work +40 hours a week. Don't have time to really get into a game any more like this. But be unhelpful, I'm sure your cleverness keeps you warm at night
>>332416415
Yeah, but the spell changes are not particularly good. Taking out teleportation is a limitation, summoning cap is a limitation. Adding in BG2 spells in itself has precious little to do with the engine per se.
I give you the pathfinding, but you do most of your adventuring in wide open areas where it doesn't matter. And in dungeons, the improvements make no difference either, as no amount of pathfinding can ever fix the clusterfuck that is Firewine ruins.
>>332416592
I love how you're projecting so hard that the clench makes your anus bleed you fucking illiterate retard.
>>332412412
Modded Enhanced Edition is pretty good.
That said, the game itself is very overrated. Its archaic interface is a pain in the ass, and there is a good reason D&D changed over the edition from what we see here.
Its alright, if you really feel like replaying it pick up EE and add on some mods.
If its your first time you will probably dislike it. I cant see anyone enjoying Baldurs Gate for the first time in 2016.
>>332416592
It was inevitable that my thread would lure the shitposters.
Your point was disproven elsewhere and this mad reply doesn't even make sense. Even if age was relevant, I was born in '86 and played BG1 when it was on 8 discs.
>>332416592
89 here I played all BG and Icewind dale at release. Funny that you think this series is only for mature gamers like yourself lmao.
>>332416775
>Taking out teleportation is a limitation, summoning cap is a limitation.
BG2 Tweaks allows you to remove caps.
aTweaks allows you to use PnP Dimensional Door.
>as no amount of pathfinding can ever fix the clusterfuck that is Firewine ruins
Don't forget Ulcaster as well as the Nashkel and Cloakwood mines.
>>332416534
You are forgetting that Steam is not their only platform. BGEE is also a mobile game sold for tablets through googleplay and apple's app store.
>>332414223
Vanilla is piss easy after a few playthroughs. You need SCS to beef up enemies.
>>332416905
You've got a point, didn't think of the tablet release.
>>332416836
I was born in '84 and also on the 8 discs and think Baldur's Gate is a great entry. I guess the cut-off for maturity is '85.
>>332416886
But what's the point of modding the game to get back vanilla features you removed by modding it?
>>332414357
Preferring 2d.. Fucking robot.
>>332416943
I would use SCS if it didn't break many mods.
>>332417032
Because you still get thousand times better engine you fucking retard.
>>332414314
>There's literally no logical explanation in preferring originals over EE with a few mods
I dislike the practice of putting a few essential mods together, writing some fanfic tier content and selling it as an "enhanced edition" of a classic to milk a good franchise that should stay dead and undisturbed.
>>332416592
>I'm slightly older than you so i know best
What a faggot.
>>332417213
Anon they did much more than just putting few essential mods together, the engine improvement alone are worth a pirate.
Read the first issue of Familiar
http://thefamiliar.beamdog.com/5.0/#!/articles/105651
They actually go in-depth explaining under the hood code and engine changes.
>>332417097
Does SCS break mods? How, all it does is alter scripts to improve AI. I would think it only enhances other mods.
Dragonspear when?
>>332412412
a lot of mods are compatible with EE
>>332417736
Some mods or components like aTweaks are explicitly broken by SCS or vice versa.
>people not only recommending EE but encouraging the use of Beamdog NPCs
I suppose the EE is acceptable but the writing for the added companions is fucking awful. Even for video game writing. Avoid them like the plague and you'll be fine.
>>332417010
see>>332416843
there is none. Feeling superior to someone for being 5 years older is fucking laughable and juvenile. Every single generation does it and its just plain funny to me. There is good kids younger than me and plenty of idiots who will never grow up in their 40s. Generalising is not a good way to show how super mature you are.
Tell me what class to roll, also take the following into account.
Dragon Disciple Sorcerers are divided into sub-classes you pick from ingame and get matching extra spells and resistances based on that:
Acid (Black/Green Dragon)
Cold (White Dragon)
Electric (Blue/Bronze Dragon)
Fire (Red/Gold Dragon)
Bloodline Sorcs also divide into subclasses:
Eldritch, Celestial, Stormborn, Rimeblooded and Groveborn.
Basically fixed bonus spells at the cost of losing out on 1 spell per level and -1 penalty to casting speed.
>>332418438
Wait, can someone explain this to me? BG was an AD&D game, but some of those are clearly classes from 3.x. What did they do?
>>332418145
The hypocrisy from people like you is off the charts because you can't possibly tell me that such character like
>K-K-KHALID T-THE P-P-P-PERMA S-S-S-STUTTER
>BOO LOL SO RANDUM LE GIANT SPACE HAMSTER RIGHT BOO? BOO BOO BOO xDDD
>HIYA ITS ME IMOEN HEY CAN I STEAL THAT? :3 HAHA I STOLEZ IT XD
are in any way shape or form well written.
>>332412412
The mobile version?
>>332418549
IWD1 added some 3E aspects.
The EE releases added Blackguards and Dragon Disciples from EE due to popular demand.
Rest are mods.
>>332418374
And every single younger generation thinks its funny until the next one comes along and shits all over theirs.
I don't have to defend Baldur's Gate. It singlehandedly revitalized PC RPGs and was universally critically acclaimed.
If a bunch of /v/ babbies too enthralled with the Bioware-tier faggot fanfic EE crap want to take a shit all over it, feel free. But don't get all pissy when I call you out for being the underaged sperg faggots that you are.
>>332418438
>warsling sniper
>barbarian ranger
>gypsy
>sharpshooter and sniper as a fucking thief class kit
What the actual fuck is this shit
I don't think people complaining about EE NPCs ever played the original games, at least not in recent years because plenty of the original companions have absolutely abysmal writing
>>332418594
You're really reaching. The only bad one out of those is the space hamster thing.
I'm leveling a fighter and I'm gonna dual to cleric
should I dual at 7 or 9?
>>332418882
Not even that. Space Hamsters were an actual thing.
>>332418804
You missed the point. /v/ will shit on anything its fucking 13 year olds. We were all fucking stupid back then. Well I played BG 2 at that age but still. Sure BG and Icewind Dale etc are great but why would you give a shit about people who never played a single isometric game in their whole life?
>>332418594
But you know what? THEY WERE NOT WRITTEN TO BE CHARACTERS. They were not characters, they were just some pre-made party members with a few voiced lines. It was trying to imitate the small jokes pnp players make, not actual characters in the setting.
Delete their voice files and they might as well not even exist. They won't bother you ever again. Meanwhile EE companions won't stop reminding you just how putrid the writing is.
>>332418817
Mods anon.
Warsling Sniper is literally a copypaste of Ranger's Archer kit but with Slings.
Barbarian Ranger is a ranged Barb.
Gypsy see pic related.
Sharpshooter can coat ranged weapons in poison and get grandmastery in thief missile weapons but can't get backstab multiplier.
Sniper can get Mastery in thief ranged weapons and use called shots 3 times a day and gets +1 to hit and damage rolls every 4 levels on average (well early game every 3 and late every 5 levels) but the disadvantage is only 20 skill points per thief skills per level and reduced backstab multiplier.
Heya! It's me, Imoen!
>>332419164
Yes canon because Minsc and Imoen totally don't exist in BG2 and totally don't have bottom of the barrel writing.
Totally.
Aerie and Mazzy also totally don't exist.
Yep.
>>332418979
You should always dual at 7, 9, 11 or 13.
The later the better if you plan to move on to BG2 with the character but know that if you go later than lvl7 you probably won't reach lvl8 with Cleric fast enough in BG1 so you will be kinda gimped in BG1. Don't dual class later than lvl13 though as at that point you don't get any advantages.
>>332419245
This reminds me why I don't really like the D&D class system, or any class system for that matter.
All of that could be achieved with a classless system where you can simply choose what do you want to do and how good do you want to be at it.
>>332419350
Wincest mod best mod.
>>332419562
Those aren't classes though anon, they are kits.
The classes are the base ones in the center of the image.
Rest are just basically specific variations of each class.
Also once the expansion launches they're officially moving Barbarian into a Fighter kit because it really doesn't warrant being a separate class when it doesn't even have kits. Mechanically it will be the same, just listed as Fighter kit instead of separate class.
Shaman is gonna take up Barb's base class slot.
>>332419665
You're hardly brother and sister seeing as you had different mothers and thus your genes are different enough that mixing them wouldn't result in retarded children.
Is this correct in terms of power?
>god tier
Keldorn, Korgan, Edwin
>good tier
anomen, aerie, haer dalis
>average tier
viconia, valygar, imoen, jaheira, minsc
>bad tier
nalia, yoshimo, cernd, mazzy, jan
>>332419358
You were bringing BG1 examples and I responded accordingly. BG2 is a whole different matter, at least EE companion behavior is not completely out of place there.
But I'm not the best person to argue for BG2 companions, on my single playthrough I had a hard enough time gathering enough of them I could tolerate to form a full party. Therefore I'm not particularly familiar with most of their written dialogue.
>>332419986
My point is that BG companions be it 1 or 2 were never really all well written and that the EE companions genuinely don't stand out with the exception of BG1 where they act like BG2-style companions but anyone with half a brain uses NPC Project mod anyway which turns all BG1 companions into BG2-style companions and that makes the EE companions no longer stand out.
And bottom line is that they're optional so if they trigger you so much you can just kill them at no reputation loss.
>>332419935
In terms of power? Yoshimo's traps can gib dragons, so putting him in the lowest tier doesn't make much sense.
>>332419986
The BG2 characters aren't poorly written for the most part but if you find them annoying that's another matter.
>>332419935
Anything with arcane magic should be at least in good tier
>>332417978
You get most of the ATweaks with Bg2 tweeks from the gibbering 3. Or i could be wrong.
>>332420420
You are indeed wrong anon.
aTweaks and BG2Tweaks are entirely separate mods.
You're thinking of BG2Tweaks incorporating some features from IWDification mod.
Here anon, my weidu log:
http://pastebin.com/c1bRxFe2
I don't have all components from BG2Tweaks or aTweaks installed but most of them are, it should give you a rough idea what aTweaks and BG2Tweaks do.
>>332419935
Been a while but I'm pretty sure Anomen was one of the strongest after getting buff from Order of whatever; I think Viconia was top tier too.
>>332418438
What mods?
>>332420770
2 posts above you my full mod log
Posting this just in case:
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/34882/list-of-bg2ee-compatible-mods
>>332419528
Thank you anon, I'll dual class at 7 then
>>332420837
Learn to link anon.
BG1EE compatible mods:
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/15380/bg-ee-mods-and-modding-tutorials-quick-links/p1
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/38254/bg1-unfinished-business-v14-beta-with-bgee-compatibility-updated-2016-01-24/p1
BG2EE compatible mods:
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/34882/list-of-bg2ee-compatible-mods/p1
IWD1EE compatible mods:
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/36477/list-iwd-ee-compatible-mods/p1
>shaman class will get druids spells
Man I hope they port some spells from IWD
>>332420147
And my point is that nothing is preferable over bad. If someone wants to use terribly written fanfiction mods, all the more power to them. But that doesn't justify adding just as terribly written content to the base game itself.
Sure they are optional, and so I don't use them. But if Beamdog is going to create their own games, which they want to, then I'd rather they tried to improve the quality of their writing, or it's going to be a cringe fest. Problem is it's not going to happen as long as they believe their crap is god's gift to BG fans.
>>332421093
Install IWDification mod which adds ALL spells from IWD.
Whats a good favored enemy for ranger in Baldurs Gate 1 EE?
>>332421151
Spiders
>>332421149
Do you think it'll work with the new expansion?
>>332421151Humansif you could actually pick it.
Otherwise really Gnolls I think.
So druids are shit in BG and OP in NWN right?
>>332421273
>Do you think it'll work with the new expansion?
If you wait a week or two to let all modders update their mods then obviously yes.
There is already a thread on forum where people check what mods work on 2.0 and you'd be surprised how many do.
Just give it some time if you want to play the expansion modded.
>>332421327
>druids are shit
No
>>332421327
>Druids are good in BG and OP in NWN
FTFY
>>332421407
>>332421468
What are some good druid spells other than insect swarm?
>never got too far in BG2 as a kid
>want to give it a try now
>it's 200 fecking hours
>now that I have a job and stuff
>>332421552
>BG2
>200 hours
What the fuck are you babbling about.
>>332421548
Conjure fire elemental, iron skin, nature's beauty, greater elemental summoning
>>332421968
If elementals take too much damage, they turn on you, right?
>>332421968
3 of those are mage spells.
Good job pointing out how shit druid are.
>>332422024
The druid versions don't have a chance of your summon going hostile as soon as you cast the spell.
>>332419935
Yoshimo and/or Jan Jansen are useful for traps and thieving.. So is Nalia, but she's an SJW cunt so fuck her.
>>332422121
>chance
>HURR WHAT IS PROTECTION FROM EVIL
>>332412412
Original no mods.
>>332422190
That only works for summoning fiends, retard.
>>332420647
I know i once DLed Atweaks for the Dimension door spell. Other than that there was some some stuff that could be good, but if it gets assblasted by SCS its not worth it IMO.
>>332422319
And they're superior to your shitty elementals in every way is what my point is.
ENHANCED!!!
Because it works on the GNU/Linux.
Do the new party members have any interaction with the original ones? Or do they just exists in some awkward limbo?
>>332422737
They do.
>>332420648
IIRC Anomen had potential since he has fighter levels with spellcaster levels, so he can augment himself into a monster tank + heal everyone else.
Viconia isnt anything special, but because she's a Drow, she gets close to 80 magic resistance.
>>332413287
You mean Baeloth and wilson, right?
>>332422930
>wilson
Who?
Baeloth is pretty good but he doens't exist in BG2.
I have EasyTutu installed, and am trying to actually finish a playthrough, last time I ended up stopping.
Is there any reason for me to just pirate Enhanced Edition instead?
>>332418882
Never understood minsc's appeal
>>332423053
not really
>>332422549
Not the guy you're replying to, but totally fucking wrong.
Fiends napalm the entire fucking area with fireballs that burns anyone close to it, including you. You cant controll them, so if an enemy is outside of the Fiends FOV it will just stand there and hiss. If there are civillians nearby, say good bye to whatever reputation you had, and the raisin on top. You dont get any EXP for what they kill.
Elementals are controllable, they dont come with fucking retarded scripts like Fiends and Djinns, Erefretti or whatever the fuck those legless arab bottle bums are called, and you get EXP for any kill they make.
>>332423053
Just pirate EE for objectively superior experience and you can safely ignore the EE content if you don't like it.
Guys, I need a good paladin mod kit. Not vanilla, I repeat not vanilla kits. I already play with Paladin, Cavalier, Inquisitor and UH. I'm searching for other paladin's kits. Any help?
>>332423446
EE has Blackguard.
>>332413531
EE > BGT > Other RPG games > Original 640x480 (nice hud scale edition).
>>332423507
jesus...
What's the difference between BGtutu and BG Trilogy?
>>332423908
One keeps the games separate.
>>332423908
tutu = bad, idiot name
BGT = good, logic name
>>332423908
TuTu is just BG1 on BG2 Engine with no other changes.
Trilogy merges BG1 and BG2 into one game.
>>332417738
2-3 days i think
>>332417738
cant wait for more gay romance and, I hope, some trans romance too.
>>332424146
Thats what RPGs are all about. Sucking and fucking.
Reminder this is happening in 2 days
Reminder Irenicus is back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ydvnDHkqPw
>>332412412
EE
There is literally no reason not to get EE as of currently.
>>332424415
That's the point of roleplaying, yes. Shit like dragons and adventures is a side effect.
Shh no tears, only Irenicus now.
>>332423179
>>332423428
Okay, so can I ask what makes it objectively superior?
NPCs aside.
>>332424415
well, i'm not against that but I would like some romance with cute girls instead.
>>332424971
Just keep playing tutu and fuck off
>>332424441
>>332424885
Fuck yeah David Warner
>>332424971
Bugfixes, improved interface, new classes, font scaling, no need to fuck around with mods to get core experience.
>>332424441
Did gayder work on this one? I want to believe he still has some talent left in him.
>>332425198
Not really, he joined beamdog late last month and the game was finished (as in content and feature complete) in December, they've been in QA testing since then. But Gaydar is supposed to work on their new game they'll be making after this.
>>332425180
Sounds amazing, seeing as widescreen for some reason hasn't worked well for me on this new computer.
Now can I ask, aside from NPCs which I can just ignore/laugh at, are there any downsides?
Removed content, altered dialogue, mechanical changes, etc?
>>332424441
>those graphix
what the fuck man
it looks like a fucking web game
>OP started with an n word
>thread still not deleted
>>332413958
Swashbuckler + UAI.
Ayyyyyyy
>>332425117
you dont want to play EE so, whats the deal? keep using tutu and thats it.
>>332424971
All the base mods integrated, new stuff, better UI, can ACTUALLY ZOOM IN AND OUT, good font.
>>332425314
None. At launch certain mods didn't work and there were several bugs, but now it's all been fixed and you can use whatever stuff you want. There is literally no reason NOT to use EE.
>>332423020
The bear from Rasaad quest.
>>332425348
You can check /vg/. There are nice skyrim and DAI generals perfect for you.
>>332425314
Nope anon. It's literally the objectively best way to play BG nowadays and the only people shitting on it are those that hate new companions (despite them being fucking OPTIONAL) and BG1 grognards who want to torture themselves with original BG1 engine at 640x480 resolution, 20 FPS lock and overall engine shittyness.
>>332425348
Hello underage.
>>332423020
>Baeloth is pretty good but he doens't exist in BG2.
still crying about this.
>>332425497
check a knife and stab your brain with it
I love old BG graphics, but that video looks like someone tried to improve them and now it looks fucking bad
>>332425557
same
>>332416775
>tfw he did the Ruins part of Firewine, instead of just popping into the end boss's room directly from the Halfling Village, killing him and his goons, and looting their stuff, which is all that's worth going to Firewine for anyway.
>>332425597
Yep.
I'd much rather have Baeloth than the Niggeress Vampire.
In fact I'd much rather have the Fake-Hexxat than the real one while we're at it.
>>332425643
If you're talking about the black outlines they're optional feature for tablets where it's harder to see sprites. You can turn them off anon.
>>332425643
>check a knife and stab your brain with it
It worked for you it seems.
>>332424441
>Dynaheir is still alive
For fucks sake I want Minsc in my team but she is fucking useless.
>>332425710
if that's the tablet version then I guess it's ok
also it looks like they tried to use the same colouring technique in everything like they did on the EE cutscenes (worse in my opinion)
I hope you can make it look like every BG
>>332425737
did you read my post
>>332425781
Bring her to the basilisk area
>>332425710
>I'd much rather have Baeloth than the Niggeress Vampire.
Hexxat was so fucking boring, even for a /u/fag
>>332425970
>they're optional feature for tablets where it's harder to see sprites. You can turn them off anon.
>if that's the tablet version then I guess it's ok
Man, this nigga has some serious brain damage. Can you just die? like your mother used to say, you are a mistake. Die already.
>>332413287
>he has optional bisex route.
wow
bisexual
much wrong
much wow
love is evil backwards let me show you *unzips penis*
>>332419872
>because all the monarchies in the world that kept inbreeding for centuries bred healthy and beautiful people
kek
e
kek
>>332425781
That's between BG1 and BG2 anon, it's not set after BG2/ToB. So of course she's alive.
>>332425198
Also to add to what I said here >>332425310
They've got Trent Oster, the Lead Producer of the BG games working on this.
As well as Cameron Tofer who is the creator and Lead Programmer behind Infinity Engine.
And most importantly Brent Knowles who was the Lead Designer and Creative Director behind BG2, NWN, Jade Empire and DA:O
>>332426557
I don't think you know what inbreeding means anon. Imoen and Gorion's Ward have different mothers and thus different enough genes.
>>332426205
le edgy teenager meme
>>332425781
Dynaheir is part of the canon party of BG1 i believe.
You (abdel/charname), Minc, Dynaheir, Imoen, Jaheira and Khalid.
Khalid was tortured to death in Irenicus' dungeon, and Dynaheir died when you were captured.
>>332427001
and given the fact the Ward can be a full blooded elf/dwarf/gnome/halfling its safe to assume that Bhaal was in a different form when impregnating both their mothers which would ensure there would be no biological relationship between the two of them, only a spiritual
so biologically speaking they're completely unrelated so there wouldn't be any incest in the traditional sense
only thing any of their offspring would have would be a severe concentration of divine essence so it would likely be a powerful entity in its own right.
>>332427295
>abdel
>>332427295
The things I'm looking forward to the most in SoD are Irenicus in general and Dynaheir being vaporized by him.
>>332427759
honestly, Irenicus isn't all that great a villain
sure he was intimidating and awesome throughout most of the game, but then you find out his motivations and goals and it just feels like he's throwing a big temper tantrum
>>332427923
His motivations and goals may not be that good but he's still legitimately threatening and he has 10/10 voice acting which is more than enough to make me like him.
>>332427602
>http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Abdel_Adrian
I'm just good at remembering useless stuff, bro. Its a legitimate form of intelligence.
>>332428098
I think its more akin of "we're pretending this never happened for our sanity's sake"
same like how Mass Effect 1 was the last game Bioware ever made
>>332427923
I disagree. His plan was literally to resume his plan, which was to suck the tree of life dry and become some über God.
Pretty sweet idea, since it was actually possible for him to pull it of, unlike Sarevok who just assumed if he killed a bunch of people he would be raptured into divinity.
>>332428432
>unlike Sarevok who just assumed if he killed a bunch of people he would be raptured into divinity
But that's how it works.
Once all Bhaalspawn are dead, the last one left standing will transform into the Slayer.
>>332428432
to be fair though, ToB shows he actually DID have the right idea after all, he was just wholly unaware of just how friggin outclassed he was
>>332428367
>Although Adrian eventually escaped the grasp of Irenicus, he ended up being aided by Bodhi. Slowly, he began to fall in love with Bodhi, who had already fallen for him, with the two ending up on an adventure to stop Irenicus. Travelling with Bodhi, Abdel eventually acted on his feelings for her and the two had sex.[citation needed] However, before they were going to again consummate, Abdel transformed into the Bhaalspawn Slayer and murdered his love.
wew.. Say no more. I didnt read the books.
Should I install this UI mod?
Looks pretty good.
>>332428673
those books are basically fanfiction that got published
BAD fanfiction at that
>>332428673
>and the two had sex
>[citation needed]
HAH
>>332428673
>Abdel eventually acted on his feelings for her and the two had sex.[citation needed]
Is there a mod for EE which removes the added shit? A mod for IWD EE?
>>332428586
He was outclassed in BG, but with the way the settign works i think he could have had a real chance with enough time. You kinda just chump him early in his life. He was quite clearly building some good connections and had one of the Flaming Fist bosses on payroll for army building purpose.
Then again, he would have had to go trough Balthazar and the plothole dragon. which wouldn't have been easy
>>332429415
Why would you remove content that's purely optional to begin with? What kind of fucking autism do you have?
IWD:EE doesn't have any new content beyond further restored cut content which is basically a more robust and polished version of IWD Unfinished Business.
I really like this UI mod on first glance.
>>332429659
IWD:EE has additional spells, weapons, kits - loads of things that affect game balance.
>>332430152
Then don't fucking use them you autistic fuck and go play Sawyer's "no fun allowed" Shillers of Equality because BG has never been a balanced series.
>>332430253
to be fair though, a complete lack of balance does make a game worse
>>332429650
His idea wasnt to specifically target other Bhaalspawn though. It was just dumb luck that he stumbled into Charname and Imoen. His plan was just to orchestrate a giant war and hope some other Gods saw him as worthy of the mantle and lift him up. He didnt know about the Bhaalspawn essence until he had been killed, twice.
>>332430253
He's not even talking about BG????
>>332430253
Why did you get incredibly angry and suddenly bring PoE out of nowhere? I agree he could jsut not use them, but that outburst was unnecessary.
Anyone know if Imoen romance and Saerileth mods work on EE?
>>332430356
He knew fully well, as the intro cinematic consist of him killign another baalspawn
>>332430253
BG has never been balanced. IWD was much closer.
I just want to play a balanced IWD with easier looting and a nicer engine.
>>332430384
>out of nowhere
He's bitching about MUH BALANCE which is exactly what Sawyer does with his garbage game.
>>332430382
IWD falls under the same category but clearly reading between the lines and common senes are too hard for an inbred monkey like you.
>>332430336
Nobody is forcing you to wear the Robe of Spell Slinging, or the Sword of Mass Murder, or the Bow of InstaKill.
>>332412412
meh, imo there's no real difference between vanilla,ee or with mods, unless you use one of those mods that makes it harder.
i would prolly just play vanilla or vanilla with that one mod that i can't remember. the one that makes the game harder.
>>332430458
Imoen romance works, don't know what the other one is.
>>332430531
I think you got anger issues, and that you might want to stop being a salty twat about PoE. Might make you look less like a raging retard.
>>332430550
no but all difficulty just feels fake if its you who's limiting yourself
>>332430807
Nice moving of goalposts you little shitter
>>332430550
Shit argument is shit. You don't have to play Wizardry with kid gloves on, why the fuck does BG deserve any slack?
>>332430487
>27th of Tarsahk, 1368: I take my leave of Candlekeep now, and not a moment too soon, for I am sure that Gorion has perceived my heritage. One thing that I am certain of: <CHARNAME> is, in actuality, one of Bhaal's brood as well. <CHARNAME> has all the markings, and it would explain Gorion's curiosity of my studies. Though there is nothing I can do now, I will have to make certain to return and kill the little brat. It would be foolish of me to let one of my siblings live, especially one being brought up by the Harpers (and I am sure that is where Gorion's allegiances lay).
- Diary of Sarevok
Also, at the end of the Thief Maze before the final confrontation with Sarevok there is some dying asshole who explains his whole plan. Had nothing to do with specifically killing Bhaalspawn, he just wanted murder on a massive scale.
>>332419935
mazzy is good tier at least, her abilities virtually make her a paladin without the drawbacks
Aerie is bad tier because her stats are just not there for a decent C/M,
Vic is god tier b/c she is the only NPC cleric worth a damn
Haer Dalis is average tier unless you really like bard shit.
Jan is good tier as his illusionist/thief is better than imoen and nalia by a long margin and his special gear is pretty neato
>>332430550
not him but yeah, that's true but a game is still better without shit like that.
what's next? you don't need to have <insert class here>? you don't need to have party members? you don't need to have your eyes open when playing?
>>332430947
What goalpost? Please be precise, i want to have a good laugh
Playing pic related for the first time, running through the OC first because I heard you kind of need to in order to fully enjoy MotB
Rolled up a Paladin, and shit is boring as hell. Just finished the trial, should I keep plugging away and roll up something different for MotB or just restart?
>>332430961
Because massive wars are the best way to kill bhaalspawn, since bhaal fucked pretty much anything that moved (or not)
>>332431006
Haer Dalis is bascially a fighter/mage which everyone knows is the most overpowered multiclass.
>>332430808
>>332430951
Unless you're playing SCS or Tactics mods, you're already massively over powered if you can cast 8th level spells.. And when you can cast 9th level spells you can solo demogorgon in 1 second.
>>332431267
>Rolled up a Paladin, and shit is boring as hell.
No shit. Not only does the OC suck no matter what you do, but martials are boring one trick ponies.
>>332412412
Its wierd saying this but all the original vanilla games are superior and the EE are pointless to buy. Baldurs gate 1 the original classes felt balanced and classic for the low level setting. Baldurs gate 2 the higher resolution ruins the games old school 2d and paper doll aesthetic. Ice wind dale is Waay superior original version also as the games itemization and stuff was designed for multiclassing and kitless classes.
>>332431267
>playing melee characters in these games
they've always been boring anon
3.5E shines the most with spellcasters in terms of fun
>>332414082
What OP mod is this?
>>332431473
>OP mod
>gets less spells
I don't think so Tim.
>>332431267
don't really know, nwn2 wasn't that good to start with so i'm gonna go ahead and say that the game will be boring no matter what class you roll
>>332431302
are you sure about that? i got the impression that bhaal only fucked the women in that one camp where gorion&friends attacked.
not the one you're talking to btw
>>332431385
Yeah, I figured that now. My party consists of Me, Shandra who I have to drag along, then all the casters I have so far (Elanee, Sand, Qara)
Fights consist of me running up and getting a swing or two in, and then them nuking everything to orbit.
What should I roll up for MotB? Are Blackguards just evil paladins, or do they add FUN? Maybe a Bard?
>>332431385
I had fun with a monk in NWN1
>>332431006
>Vic is god tier b/c she is the only NPC cleric worth a damn
except that Anomen is better in every way and also the strongest NPC, maybe next to Edwin
>>332431319
and yet his mage abilities and his fighter abilities are both watered down.
Berzerker//cleric dual is most op though kensai mage is close second, those have to be player chars though.
>>332431595
Its an OP mod cause its essentially a fighter/mage/monk with no down side that levels as a single class.
PATCH WITH SPIRIT SHAMAN FOR BG1EE WHEN?
I WANT MY NEVERENDING SUMMONS NOW NOW NOW
>>332431639
are you a masochist? monks are the shittiest class in 3.0, even pure fighter would be better
>>332431267
You don't need to play vanilla NWN2 for MotB.
Also, pick a mage class. Always pick a mage class, no exceptions. I have no idea why anyone would NOT play as a mage in a D&D game.
>>332431428
>vanilla superior
>EE are pointless
It's the other way around you doofus. There's no reason to buy vanilla BG anymore now that EEs been patched.
>>332419350
Ha, ye're a queer fellow.
>>332431006
Agreed
No, Aerie is top tier. Stats means jack shit. Cleric-Mage is one of the best combo.
Vic is decent at best, singleclass cleric is frailer that Fighter Dual class, has less martial abilities for basically being 60k xp ahead. She also cannot wear normal plate without strenght boosting items that would benefit more to other characters. Anomen is irrefutably a better character than viconia outside personality.
Haer Dalis is indeed average if you don't abuse the free movement ring + spin to make him un-hittable.
Agreed
>>332431746
>zerker/cleric better than kensage
Not even.
>>332431765
it's already up anon, you just need to sing up for the beta on steam
>>332431813
The reason I didn't go mage is because I didn't want half the fight to be buffing, or throwing off a couple spells before getting one shot by some trash
With that, I'll reconsider though. Which magic class is the most FUN
>>332431754
No, you're an idiot. They're a fucking Sorceror. They don't get any extra attacks and give up significant spellcasting for abilities that either pointless or already able to be duplicated with spells.
>>332431982
Wizard, always wizard.
MotB you can get some extra subclasses for it, which you can pick either of.
>>332431006
>Vic is god tier b/c she is the only NPC cleric worth a damn
Anomen is a better cleric than Vic.
>>332431813
>I have no idea why anyone would NOT play as a mage in a D&D game.
For fun, mostly. Me and my buddies have played our fair share of 3.5 campaigns and it's just more enjoyable for everyone when it isn't one fuckboy stealing the spotlight and dumpstering everything.
>>332431657
anomen is mediocre in melee and you have to do his quest line to get his wisdom past 12.
Vic has natural spell immunity, high wisdom and better AC. She isn't meant to fight on the front line and if you use her that way you're just doing it wrong. She is a better cleric hands down. There is no way you can say anomen is god tier mate.
>>332431473
>I don't know what a Sorcerer is and never played DnD please rape my face
>>332432008
>give up significant spellcasting
1 spell per day is not significant. However being able to claw shit for 2d4 at first level and having higher AC is OP as fuck.
>>332431302
Again, he had no clue about the Bhaal Spawn essence until you get him in ToB. He even says so himself.
>>332431982
>Which magic class is the most FUN
Cleric, Druid, Bard, take your pick.
>>332431754
Except for the fact mages are stuck with a SINGLE apr forever.
And shitty as fuck thac0
And the shitty 1 spell loss per day thus making you cast almost the same as a wizard
And d6 with just +2 from con is still shitty hp for a frontliner unless you are one of the retards that reloads until he gets max hp/level
>>332431813
>I have no idea why anyone would NOT play as a mage in a D&D game.
Because they are usually shit in d&d crpgs as opposed to the gods they are in pnp?
And because resting every encounter greatly breaks immersion/roleplaying?
And because a simple fireball/cloudkill/sleep wand can already do anything a low-mid level mage can?
And because a dual wielding fighter with improved haste deals far more damage than you while also not needing one gorillion buffs not to poof away from 1 hit, while archers are kings in BG1?
Mages are nothing special in BG1&2. By the time you get really good ToB has already started and by then even a fucking thief can be good
>>332430253
Why the fuck do you get so mad at someone not enjoying Beamdog's crap?
>>332431908
>D&D
>Stats means jack shit
wot?
>>332432216
1 spell per day per level. It is significant. They lose the advantage of being sorcerers, that is a large number of spell usages
>>332432216
Anon, sorcerers can't learn spells from scrolls.
They are limited to spells they gain from picking when leveling up.
>>332431813
not him but there's no real reason to buy EE either.
what did the EEs add? that shit arena thing,4 bad npc's+their quests and a few spells?
>>332419935
Swap Anomen and Keldorn, Figher/Cleric is just broken in BG2, especially with Anomen's stats.
Swap Mazzy with Minsc, as Mazzy is at least a decent archer if you give her shortbows, while Minsc is both a shitty fighter and a shitty archer.
I'm not sure about Haer'Dalis, as I somehow never used him in any playthrough. But bards are usually pretty bad in ADnD, especially compared to how powerful they are in 3.5
>>332432250
Have you even read? he clearly knows about himself and you beign bhaalspawn.
what the fuck are you goign about.
>>332432216
>However being able to claw shit for 2d4 at first level
Wow, 1.5 extra damage over a fucking club on a class with the worst THAC0 in the game. Darts are objectively better because you throw 3 of them a round.
>and having higher AC is OP as fuck.
No it's not.
Fuck off retard, you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>332432254
>Except for the fact mages are stuck with a SINGLE apr forever.
Fixable by spells.
>And shitty as fuck thac0
Fixable by spells.
>one of the retards that reloads until he gets max hp/level
>not playing on Normal difficulty where you get max hit points every level and 100% spell learning
>>332432153
Cleric spells are largely unnecessary in BG.
The heals take too fucking long to cast in combat
All you have to do is steal the ring of regeneration from ribald at the very beginning of BG2 and all your healing problems are gone forever
Or use the heal ability from the wands of ressurection which is instant cast/long range/useable by anyone/can be recharged
>>332432216
>trash melee attack on a sorcerer
>OP
>trash AC when stoneskin already eats every hit
>OP
>>332432254
>Because they are usually shit in d&d crpgs
>I am a retard and have never played
Do you know what class is by far the most important in difficulty mods like SCS or Tactics?
Hint: IT'S THE FUCKING WIZARD.
Does anyone else just despise the 3.5 ruleset?
I've played a bit of 2nd edition and 5th edition on PnP with friends, but when we tried 3.5... idk man
>>332432153
>anomen is mediocre in melee
The whole point of Figher/Cleric is that he can cast buffs that make him powerful as both melee and a spellcaster.
Also, it's obvious that anyone running with Anomen will complete his quest.
>>332432395
>as Mazzy is at least a decent archer if you give her shortbows
In my last game where I made myself use character i never used, Mazzy made a pretty awesome tank. Doubly so after I gave her a str boosting item.
>>332419935
No.
Anything that has any arcane and/or clerical power should be in God Tier. Personally, I think Aerie outdoes Edwin; Cleric/Mage has a shitload of unique combos, and Edwin's amount of spellslots hardly matters in a game with a ton of scrolls/wands/, plus he can't wear the Amulet of Power. He's still superstrong -- because he's a mage, but I think Aerie beats him stat-by-stat. Even if Edwin advances faster in mage levels, it matters less when the game gives you the best scrolls only in the Underdark, and for players who choose to go there only after doing most of Athkatla's quests, it's meaningless.
Korgan is a strong guy, his enrage and stats are excellent, but you can turn Aerie/Jaheira/Anomen into a better tank/damage dealer any day. And Korgan, an axe specialist, can't even use the best early game axe because he's evil.
Haer'dalis should certainly skim the highest tier because he advances really fast, has thieving traps and is super-versatile, plus comes with his own stuff.
Imoen, Jaheira and Viconia, because of being casters, should be bumped a few tiers. Imoen and Nalia belong on virtually the same tier - both will deal with every lock and every trap in the game (which is the only thing you *need* a thief for), and they can still do some stupid backstab shenanigans like Mislead/Black Blade of Disaster cheese. Nalia has only a few levels less of Thief (just give her potions and items for when she needs it and she has no problems whatsoever) and still advances as a mage, and her starting ring is fucking amazing.
Similarly, Jan is very strong, one of the best armors in the game, you don't ever have to buy him equipment, his saving throws are strong and he can be turned into anything you want, he also has a lot of spellslots for being a specialist and he will set kickass traps.
Agreed on Yoshimo - not only because of story reasons - single classed thieves suck. Cernd is fairly average as a spellcaster; Nature's Beauty and elementals make him relevant.
>>332432610
I like the combat, the problem is that it's really hard to to fail any action once you start lvling up
>>332432572
almost anything can be unnecessary in BG2 depending on how you play it, but cleric spells are not just for healing, many of them are simply massive buffs for party members or spells that make entire areas easy.
>>332432456
He knows about you both being Bhaalspawn, but the only reason he wants to kill you is because he sees you as a rival and potential threat. He wants to ascend through organizing bloodshed on a scale worthy of a god, which doesn't have anything to do with you or any other Bhaalspawn directly.
>>332432610
Yes. 3.5 is a completely different game with completely different focuses than AD&D and is complete shit that was intentionally made to fuck over newcomers and pander to MtG/Diablo autists instead of the people who actually played D&D. It's nearly impossible for a group that transitions from any given AD&D version to play 3.5 the same way they played AD&D because 3.5 fucks you over for not paying attention to minute details during character creation and explodes on contact with players who are actively trying to win.
>>332432610
the customization is the best in 3
>>332431813
>I have no idea why anyone would NOT play as a mage in a D&D game.
For the challenge, and for actual role playing. I'm a retard in real life, so i probably wouldnt be able to fucking study spells without poking my eyes out the second day.
I like rangers though. They mess about in the woods and arent as autistic about sharpening their swords as Fighters. Chill class. I soloed IWD and Heart of Winter with a Ranger. I think i got as far as the final battle in IWD2 with a ranger, but i got fucking destroyed.
>>332432395
>Swap Anomen and Keldorn
Why Keldorn? He's probably the only truly OP one in the list with instant dispel, instant true sight and dispel on hit.
>>332432798
>I think Aerie outdoes Edwin
I agree, mostly because Aerie with the robe of vecna is ridiculous.
-4 casting time on Flamestrike had me blasting anything that moved with HOLY FIRE.
>>332432706
im not saying anomen is worst ever npc, just that as a cleric he is inferior to vicy. If you wanna melee with a fighter/cleric go ahead and take Anomen.
>>332432319
The stats that mean anything are the following
Str ( She isn't a martial character, so it's useless)
Dex for everyone ( She got good stats there)
Con ( Her principal weakness, easily shored up by her spells or the Constitution belt onSightless Eye cult leader)
Int (Irrelevant outside number of learned spells, can use a int potion if you wanna bypass the limits)
Wis( High enough to use her spells, can use a wisdom potion for refresh Wishes if needed)
Cha ( Who fuckign cares)
She isn't a meathead that you send in the fray, anon. Thats the job for korgan, minsc keldorn, etc.
>>332432254
I agree with everything you said except
>unless you are one of the retards that reloads until he gets max hp/level
I thought literally everyone rerolls HP until max value.
>>332432378
>works great on modern systems
>UI scaling
>can actually zoom in and out
>mods incorporated into the game
>actual readable font
It's a better version of the original.
>>332432487
But then while you are fixing all that shit with spells why not jsut summon a blackblade and not have to use shitty claws? You got one extra spell to use for it anyway
>>332432487
>Fixable by spells.
Yeah, you can get one extra attack from Haste or Improved Haste, that's really going to make you overpowered compared to the Fighter who's belting out 1d10+7 three times a round before strength or buffs even come into play.
>>332432319
Aerie has 16 Intelligence. Do you know what a mage gets from intelligence in this game?
A higher chance for learning more spells and you can keep more spells in your spellbook. But it does not give you any more actual spellslots.
Which means, virtually, that intelligence gives you, proverbially, fucking nothing. Drink an appropriate +Int raising potion before you read scrolls and you will be completely fine on the magic front with Aerie.
She also has 16 Wisdom. That's enough for a few bonus clerical spellslots. Otherwise, it doesn't do anything, and her Mage levels make her enough of a competition to give Viconia a run for her money. Anomen gets 16 Wisdom once he becomes Sir Anomen. Jaheira doesn't even get that much, and she's also a really strong NPC.
Viconia is a good character, don't get me wrong - high wisdom, will advance fast as cleric, and has a ton of dex for slinging. But it's not as easy to make her as super-OP in any role like Aerie -- sure, Viconia will probably get Barrier Blade earlier than Aerie, and her low physical stats can be easily dealt with using Righteous Magic/DUHM/whatever. But Aerie will outstrip her sooner or later, because mage/cleric combos are ridiculous, like firing cleric spells from a sequencer.
>>332432997
How is he inferior?
The only difference between both are that anomen destroy undead and she charm them, and she got 2 extra spellslot
>>332433008
not him but do people actually do that?
the first time i even thought about doing that was when i heard that people on /v/ did that, no one of my friends ever did that
>>332433160
>why not jsut summon a blackblade
What if you're level 1? Or anytime before level fucking 18?
>>332433001
well you just agreed that stats are important, you just found ways to artificially buff them. Also if you are spending all the time and spells and gear to help her not suck you are kinda gimping other people in the party right?
When I made my list I was mostly thinking in totality, like good/neutral/evil parties and the NPC ranking without caring about alignment. If you have a good party aerie is still a useful addition.
>>332432953
It's Carsomyr that is powerful you are talking about, not Keldorn. Inquisitor is decent, but not a powerhouse to put it in god tier among a Mage and Fighter/Cleric
It's like saying that Valygar is god tier because he can dual wield Cromfayer and Celestial Fury
>>332413531
original with dev mods >enhanced edition > original with hardest mods > original without mods > not playing at all
the hardest mods are awesome but i would only recommend it to someone who played it like 50 times already since it is quite unfair and unrealistic unless you want to consider the realistic possibility of actual godhood powers and spells/powers actually being incredibly deadly.
Then you use a staff and do about the same damage.
Shit, you can use a +1 or +2 staff and be more effective than claws, if you so wish
>>332433270
>like firing cleric spells from a sequencer
Wait, what?
Is anyone making any Pathfinder vidya?
>>332433532
You do know that Aerie can put cleric spells in Minor Spell Sequencer, Spell Trigger etc right?
>>332432487
>fixed by spells
WOW one more from haste, meanwhile the warrior has 10 with haste and dual wielding
>thac0
not fixed by spells at all unless you are casting tenser which then proves you are shit since you should be casting as a pure mage
>playing on normal difficulty
>>332432596
Oh you poor dear.
A simple cloudkill wand already destroys any non lich mage encounter from both SCS and Tactics. A bard can use it just fine. And guess what, mages do not possess a single spell to become immune to the poison area damage and it stacks thus ensuring they are disrupted forever no matter if they are level 30 casters
Enemy casters also have also have inflated levels on these mods and easily dispel your casters unless you prebuff with a ton short duration buffs which is metagaming as fuck. Also they will dispel your SI:Abjuration easily while perfectly chaining their buffs and going through multiple PFMW chains. And by the time you get to cast a dispel their time stop has already been cast and by then your mage gets raped due to shitty buff and reliance on buffs.
Meanwhile a properly built shorty fighter like Korgan can easily achieve enough UNDISPELLABLE saving throws, resists and immunities through gear and the special con bonus to literally tank even liches with barely any effort and guess what, he can't be dispelled. Even if you can't bypass PFMW all you have to do is jus stand there while the enemy empties his spellbook
>>332432821
Most party clerics buffs in BG are trash and last for a short as fuck time like bless, aid, chant not to mention having 1 round casting time
The cc immunities are unnecessary since you can just become immune by virtue of saving throws or berserk/enrage which cannot be dispelled
The buffs can be good if you are a fighter/cleric combo such a righteous might and draw upon holy might, but those are self only. Clerics also cannot cast spell immunity so with any AI mods you are going to be instantly dispelled
>>332432153
>Vic has natural spell immunity, high wisdom and better AC. She isn't meant to fight on the front line and if you use her that way you're just doing it wrong.
And that's a fucking stupid line of thought, because Blade Barrier/shitload of clerical buffs and/or items such as Cloak of the Sewers (you get it superearly) -> Rat form or Blade of Inertial Barrier (free 18 CON, hooray, Viconia's fixed) will turn Viconia into a ridiculous damage dealer and tank. But she won't have the fighter levels that Anomen enjoys (or the grandmasteries), and she'll swing with just 1 attack per round on her own. Still enough to make her a capable threat on the frontline, if you wish to do so.
Also to address someone's point about Minsc being bad - he isn't. His strength is that he's versatile - he can swing axes (and you get some of the best ones early on), two-handers (Lilarcor!), he can use said axes as thrown weapons (especially with his strength bonus, AFAIK, being applicable to those weapons), and he can fight in all weapon styles. And he's low maintenance, you don't have to prebuff him a lot or anything. He can cast a few Shields of Faith on himself to make himself stronger. His specialty is useful in BG2, as Vampires are very common enemies. Minsc's Berserk is a weird ability, but not awful if you know how to do it right.
>>332433403
>What if you're level 1?
Then you're not getting THAC0 or attacks per round from your spells and attacking with your claws is both extremely retarded because of your shit AC, low HD, and because darts beat it in damage per round(average 2.5*3 attacks per round > average 5 once per round)?
You're the kind of retard who thinks that Monk is overpowered.
>>332433683
Except that mod class is not a pure mage.
That mod class is very obviously meant to be a fighter/mage that levels as a single class.
>>332432456
As >>332432889 said.
Sarevok's war is about him proving himself worthy and ascending. Irenicus' wants your soul to have the power to get moar power. ToB is about how the game was rigged from the start.
>>332433429
Anon, i dot know what to say to you. You are a retard, this much has been fully demonstrated, but i still hope you can live a full life.
Still, whatever happens, know that you are fuckign dumb as bricks about BG2, and that you will remain stupid if you are unwillign to learn from better players than you.
Especially sicne you then go with your Valygar stupidity, while the only item i ascribed for her is a constitution belt that almost nobody else would use since most npcs already have 16 or more Con.
>>332433532
multi class C/M can sequence both mage spells and cleric spells.
>>332433270
>Aerie has 16 Intelligence. Do you know what a mage gets from intelligence in this game?
yes I do
My point about aerie is you are doing more work to make her as viable. The problem is really lack of C/M multi class options, she is the only one so people take her and never realize her shortcomings because
>muh power
Fine, i'll consider her average tier.
>>332433780
>Except that mod class is not a pure mage.
Yes it fucking is.
>>332433741
I see you've never gone Siren hunting at level 1 in BG1 for massive xp boost.
You need to be in melee range to avoid their arrows of biting (and so you can get them when they die).
So having a good melee attack at level 1 wrecks those sirens.
>>332433843
>Especially sicne you then go with your Valygar stupidity
I think you are responding to multiple people here anon.... You know how this works right?
>>332434006
You can use darts in melee range.
>>332433889
Read all the benefits it has. Its obviously intended to be a fighter/mage.
>>332434006
this. the potion of clarity you can steal in candlekeep makes this even better.
>>332434108
Nobody cares about your retarded interpretation of the kit.
>>332433868
Are you fuckign for real ?
You don't do any work to make Aerie overpowered. You give her a small shield, a sling, and wait for her spells to come in.
Are you actually complainign about having to use Int potion before learnign her spells? ARE YOU THAT GOD DAMNED STUPID?!?!?
>>332434006
>hunting sirens at level 1
>not basilisks
they are literally next to friendly arms inn nigga, just go and kill them
>>332433675
>>332433868
Y-yeah, I-I knew that.
>>332434070
Well I've never done that with a mage so didn't know that.
Actually I've never used darts at all in all my years of playing BG.
>>332419935
>Viconia
>Jaheira
>average
Give Viconia Cloak of Balduran and you get a character with 95% MR right off the bat (BG2). This means that every single encounter with mages becomes trivial (if not in an incredibly enclosed space) via attrition tactics. Not to mention the retardedly overpowered Aerial Servant (Aerie gets this too, but she's always lagging behind due the multi-class).
I'm not sure in what world the heaviest armor + shield + iron skins is average, Jaheira is the best non-CHARNAME physical meatshield you can get. Her damage output may be shit, but that's what the elemental summons are for.
Yoshimo is OP as FUCK if you willingly use the dual-class exploit to set the maximum amount of traps (7) before every encounter. Maze traps can also quite literally break some story scripts. When played straight though, he's terrible. I always preferred to micromanage CHARNAME, so backstabbing shenanigans are out of the picture for Yoshi.
>>332433438
Inquisitors are OP as fuck. They dispel magic (special abilities) at 2x their level.
>>332434213
I don't even go to the friendly arm inn till chapter 3.
Because Khalid and Jaheira are both worthless in BG1.
I also go kill Bassilius right after killing the sirens for easy 5k gold.
>>332412412
I like EE purely because you can zoom in and out. It's also better optimized for newer machines.
The added content is lame and out of place, but it can all be ignored.
>>332433532
Yep.
My favourite type of cheese: Load up Strength/Draw Upon Holy Might into the Minor Sequencer, Polymorph Self into Sword Spider, then launch the Sequencer. Enjoy being a 5 APR rape machine who poisons on every hit and can get Stoneskin/Shield of Faith/etc. beforehand. Normal mages can do this too, with 2x Strength in the Minor Sequencer, but Aerie gets more stuff to play with if you choose to turn her into a melee powerhouse, esp. once you can enhance that trick with Blade Barrier.
>>332433683
Bless, Aid and Chant are minor things, but they add up over time. Strength of One is really damn decent given the circumstances.
Another good reason to have a Cleric around is for Harm and Slay Living.
Cleric types also enjoy better summons.
>>332434267
>Her damage output might be shit.
She really improves on that front in ToB. Staff of the Ram + Greater Whirlwind. While Iron Skinned And you can always just get her invisible into enemy camp and cast Nature's Beauty.
>>332434209
same thing you can do with vic or edwin and you wait a lot less time for them to become powerful.
You are trying to make the argument that cleric/mage is very good, I am not disputing that, nor that aerie is your only option. However, given that she is multi class, unless you are full up in your party, you may as well have a much better wizard and a much better cleric and advance the party faster or at the same pace.
>>332434267
Any mage fight can be rendered trivial by Inquisitor/Keldorn or Jaheira/Cernd Insect plague.
>>332432216
>>332432471
I hope both of you realize that's not the vanilla Dragon Disciple but modded.
>>332434365
>Because Khalid and Jaheira are both worthless in BG1
Jaheira, maybe. I think her Fighter classes help her out, but Druids did get shafted ini BG1 in particular.
Khalid, however, rocks. He has really good stats overall. His low strength can be easily fixed with potions (you don't need 18/xx strength for every single fight) and, finally, with Gauntlets of Ogre Power (he couples with Ajantis well for that reason, because Ajantis is in need of Gauntlets of Dexterity), and most of BG1 is fought with ranged weapons -- well guess what, Khalid starts with * in Bows and if you choose to pump his Bows skill, he will become the best archer in the game next to Coran and ahead of Kivan.
Khalid is awesome.
>>332434485
>Another good reason to have a Cleric around is for Harm and Slay Living.
I've always found Harm useless. Every time I cast it, the cleric misses and the spell is wasted.
>>332434267
>Give Viconia Cloak of Balduran and you get a character with 95% MR right off the bat (BG2). This means that every single encounter with mages becomes trivial (if not in an incredibly enclosed space) via attrition tactics. Not to mention the retardedly overpowered Aerial Servant (Aerie gets this too, but she's always lagging behind due the multi-class).
>I'm not sure in what world the heaviest armor + shield + iron skins is average, Jaheira is the best non-CHARNAME physical meatshield you can get. Her damage output may be shit, but that's what the elemental summons are for.
In BG2, it doesn't matter that something can survive well, because you can beat the game with just about anything. What matters is killing stuff as quickly as possible.
>>332434536
>>332434696
>I play on Normal difficulty without SCS or Tactics
Okay then.
>>332434489
But then you use 2 character slot instead of one. And you lose on the versatility of cleric spells in sequencer. >>332434485 gave good examples.
>>332434536
Not if you have ai mods to make the mages have intelligence above slime levels
Keldorn won't be able to do shit aganst SI:Abjuration or SI:Illusion
Insect Plague will be blocked by fire shield which they always have on sequencers etc
>>332434680
Khalid sucks because you he's part of a pair.
The only BG1 "pair" worth using is Minsc and Dynaheir.
For reference my normal party is
Character
Imoen
Kivan
Branwen (to be replaced by dwarf dude in chapter 4)
Minsc
Dynaheir
>>332434365
>Because Khalid and Jaheira are both worthless in BG1.
Khalid is really solid, he is obviously not as powerful as Charname can be, but he has decent stats and you can easily get Longsword +2 right from the start.
>>332429415
Just play BGT? It's EE without the retarded bullshit.
>>332434782
that's what I'm saying, if you have the extra slots fine, but if you have a decent party that isn't full, you are better of with 2 chars that are pure. Loading down a party with too many multiclass chars can be frustrating.
>>332434789
Then a Breach or Ruby whip. followed by. Same principle.
>>332434772
>well, we were obviously discussing [the mods I play], because nobody plays anything else
ok, so shapeshifter is the best class in BG2, because everyone plays with that one mod that makes shapeshifters overpowered, right?
fuck off
>>332434970
>not playing BG2 with 4 characters instead of 6
>>332434872
>Khalid sucks because you he's part of a pair.
You know you can:
>petrify Jaheira
>leave Jaheira in a building you're sure you will never come back to (like a random house in Beregost)
>send her on a very important and dangerous mission, oh woe is us for she perished in one hit from that Flesh Golem
and he won't object much?
>Dynaheir
Dynaheir belongs to a spellschool which bans two magic schools instead of just one. Both schools happen to be pretty useful and fun for utility. I'd rather have Xan, to be honest, than Dynaheir, because I prefer Necklace of Fireballs/wands to blast spells and I use my mages for debuffs. And if I did not want to separate Minsc from his wench, I'd just hire Ajantis or wait until Coran becomes available. And I like Xan, as I said.
Your party is alright, though.
>>332435163
>not soloing with a monk
>>332434956
Did they fix broken movement speeds in BGT?
>>332413287
>Neera
She is annoyingly 'random' and her romance is very hamfisted
>>332434872
>pair
Not really though
You can just kill either of the two and then it's no longer a pair.
>>332434970
But, you have no reason not to brign as many mages as possible.
My usual team is Charname (Mage), Aerie (Cleric Mage) Jan (Mage/Thief) Keldorn and Minsc ( tanks and justice) and either Imoen or anomen depending on mood. I'd bring edwin if he wasn,t incompatible with Keld and Minscy
>>332435248
>broken movement speeds
Elaborate.
>>332435224
>spellschool which bans two magic schools instead of just one
That's only in vanilla BG1.
In EE or BGtutu she can use conj but not enchant.
>>332435249
>a wild mage is random
HOLY SHIT CALL THE PRESS
>>332435296
ever play sorc anon? Once you make a sorc, if you know what you are doing, you never look back.
>>332435296
You have.
A good fighter is low maintenance, does not require buffs, does not require rest, can achieve enough resists and saving throws through gear alone to tank even beholders with 100% rate while not having to worry about prebuffing or being dispelled. While also dealing 100x more damage than your mage with improved haste and dual wielding good weapons with on hit shit
>>332434485
>He doesnt turn into a Mustard Jelly and make fart noises at enemy spells
I want Jaheira haters to leave
>>332435474
Not him but you're my nigger anon, ever since I discovered Sorc I could never go back to regular Mage.
>>332435364
Last time I played BGT, player characters were moving with BG2 speed, while every NPC was moving with BG1 speed, making it nearly comparable to entire party wearing boots of haste.
>>332435162
>SCS and Tactics are fringe mods that no one uses
What the fuck are you smoking. And none of them change the way classes work, SCS makes enemies non-retarded and is widely accepted as integral to any mod setup.
Tactics is more of a masochist choice with its crazy stat buffing, a more brute approach but it's nice to boost a couple of encounters.
>>332435593
What's SCS? I haven't played BG in years.
>>332435382
Ench is where all the CC comes from so she is still shit compared to any of the other casters.
Its to bad all the fucking awesome casters are evil.
>>332435382
Okay, then. I still like Enchantment a lot more than Evocation. I can charm back my own guys away from Sirines, use charm offensively, and cast useful stuff like Hold Person. Everything Evocation offers can be easily replicated with wands except for Cloudkill, but there's enough consumable AoE damage for that to be an acceptable loss.
And Imoen turned into a mage is also better.
>>332435474
I did a few times. it's alright, but sometimes i yearn to have a full book and customise for the next battle i know is coming. IMO It's especially annoying with summons, since they are mostly effective when they become avalaible, but not so much after so selecting one feels like a waste
>>332435683
Sword Coast Strategems, an artificial difficulty mod that buffs everything to bullshit levels.
It's the Dark Souls of Baldur's Gate.
>>332435558
Haven't had that issue. Boots of Speed are fucking ridiculous though, as they always were. Many melee opponents use Oil of Speed (with SCS I think?) so even if you're hasted you'll be SoL if you try to kite.
NPC pathfinding is still weird though, so you can definitely kite if both of you are naked and have regular movement speed.
I recommend Full Plate and Packing Steel if you find movement speeds in plate to be retardedly high.
>>332435689
>Ench is where all the CC comes from
There's your problem. I never CC anything. I just kill stuff.
>>332435593
My point was, in vanilla BG2 we were discussing as mods were not explicitly mentioned beforehand, survivality doesn't matter compared to ability to kill stuff fast.
>>332432254
>Because they are usually shit in d&d crpgs as opposed to the gods they are in pnp
I want this meme to end.
Yes, the average crpg mage isn't as good as your hyper-optimized god wizard. No, they're still among the best fucking classes.
>>332435793
You don't get amazing aoe kill spells until like spell level 3.
Till then you have to use gimped spells that are aoe that fuck up your own team or do no damage.
Early game you have awesome CC like sleep, charm, web, prism spray and so on.
>>332435502
100X more damage is still less effective than instant death, and won't happen vs mages. I do obviously use fighters as my group shows, but once i got 2/3 the frontline is beefy enough. For bosses like dragons summon spam or Greater malison + lower resistx4 is almost always more effective.
>>332435979
Then its good I always get Dynaheir at level 5.
>>332435793
In BG1, especially early game, CC is broken. You can win just about any encounter in the entire game by casting web.
>>332436067
>Getting her at 5
>Getting a gimped mage more gimped because their hp is fucked because you didn't level them
>Obviously playing on easy
>>332436239
I play on Core Rules.
Her hp doesn't matter to me cause she never takes any damage.
Out of curiosity...
How many people here actually understand THAC0?
>>332436239
>rolling for max hp on level up/reloading for the same effect
Literally playing on easy/same as playing on easy
>>332436340
It means To Hit Armor Class 0.
Its fairly straightforward.
If you have a thac0 of 20 it means to hit someone with an armor class of 0 you have to roll a 20.
>>332436340
To hit armor class 0, etc.
It's not complex. Then again, i played the PnP for 20 years now.
>>332436340
I'm guessing most. Although the actual rolls in game on the combat log do not make any sense at all
Regardless THAC0 is counter intuitive as fuck compared to BAB/positive AC
>>332436514
>Regardless THAC0 is counter intuitive as fuck
No it isn't. It makes perfect sense. You just suck at math.
>>332436514
this was always my opinion as well.
>>332436438
So if your Thac0 is 8 then anyone who rolls over 8 will hit you or is it anyone who rolls under 8 hits you.
That's is what fucks my mind with AD&D is that sometimes you want to roll low and sometimes you want to roll high.
>>332436720
No if your thac0 is 8 then you have to roll an 8 to hit someone with an armor class of 0.
This isn't a hard concept.
>>332432254
>even a fucking thief can be good
A Thief can break the game simply by using Cloak of Non-Detection and Boots of Speed. Both are available right at the start of BG2.
>>332436720
if your Thac0 is 8 you need an 8 or better to hit AC 0. If your thaco is 10 and their AC is -5 you need to roll a 10 to hit zero + 5, so you need to roll a 15 or better. this is why it is a little odd and I think was improved on by BAB even though I dislike a lot of the 3E changes.
>>332436918
Doesn't cloak of non-detection not work? Even in EE?
>>332436720
You ALWAYS want to roll high.
Your To hit armor class 0 is 8, so you need a 8 on a D20 to hit. If they have AC different from 0 then you adjust accordingly.
>>332436597
>No it isn't. It makes perfect sense.
I don't think you understand what "intuitive" means.
How is it considered "intuitive" that some stats are better the higher they are, while other stats are better when they are lower?
thac0 is not hard to grasp neither does it require you to posses high math skills to understand it, it's just unneceserly inverted for some unknown reason.
>>332437150
No you don't.
>>332436597
>>332436957
it is bad design regardless of the complexity of the math itself, because it is commom sense in games to assume that a positive number is good while negative numbers are bad.
>>332437208
Ok, where do i not want to roll high?
Is it damage ? Is it hit? is it saves? Where?
>>332437178
You only think that because you played NWN first.
For people that played 1st and 2nd edition AD&D for many many years thac0 was easy to pick up.
>>332436957
So its basically maths but backwards.
And people thought this was not convoluted at all.
>>332437094
It works in my BGT install :^)
Some creatures can still see you though, like dragons and high tier demons.
>>332437285
Attribute, skill, and percentile checks in general.
>>332437178
I understand THAC0 perfectly anon and I also completely agree with you//understand what you are getting at.
>>332437302
No its just math. Its not backwards at all.
>>332437328
>and high tier demons
Sadly, this faggot didn't count as such.
>>332437235
golf mate. don't forget the golf.
>>332437298
>You only think that because you played NWN first.
Again, you don't know what "intuitive" means.
You only say that because you played BG:EE first.
Name any other game where an armor with Armor Class: 1, is better than an armor with Armor Class: 3
>>332436957
So wait what is my Thac0 is -4.
How the fuck do you roll -4 on a d20?
>>332437430
>bottom portrait
who is that, some donutsteel mod char?
>>332436597
Yeah anon, working with positives certainly isn't easier than thinking backwards with negatives. Or that addiction is way easier and faster than subtraction
>AB
Oh, the enemy has X AC, so I just need my AB+1d20 to beat that
>THAC0
Hmm... my enemy has -10 AC so first I have to take that number and subtract from my THAC0, then I have to roll 1d20 and see if that is higher than the previous calculated number!
Fuck off, it's obviously more complicated and convoluted.
>>332436918
Enemies with permanent true seeing such as dragons, some fiends will bypass the cloak entirely
>>332437430
>158 damage
>6x damage
So... Assassin game?
Is that Belm +2 you're using?
>>332419872
breeding with imoen pretty much guarantees retarded children m8
>>332437298
Not him but I started with BG1 (and immediately moved on to BG2 and ToB after that).
Played NWN after that and IWD2 after NWN and I still consider 3E to be superior to THAC0 or how I call it Taco Bell.
>>332437551
Actually I played Pool of Radiance for DOS before I played Baldur's Gate.
>Name any other game where an armor with Armor Class: 1, is better than an armor with Armor Class: 3
Heroes Unlimited
Paranoia
You don't play many tabletop rpgs do you?
ctrl+b
Not found gnome ilusionist/cleric
Most fun build for bhall spawn
>>332437341
So, outside character stats, which is something decided before the games and certainly not during, and thief skills nothing at all?
I guess you won the argument, with a storng mention in being a shitstain.
>>332437860
It can be pretty fun
>>332412412
I play gog vanilla with Imoen romance mod, haven't tried EE, vanilla is enough for me.
>>332437732
>You don't play many tabletop rpgs do you?
no i'm not a LOSER NERD
lmaoing @ ur life
>>332437572
Anon, THAC0 literally means "to hit AC = 0".
If an enemy has 0 AC and your THAC0 is -4, that means the only time you'll miss them is if you roll a natural 1 because to hit AC = 0 is surpassed by 4 points.
But if your enemy has -10 AC, with THAC0 = 0 you'd have to roll 0 - (-10) = at least 10 to hit. With -4 AC, you have to roll -4 - (-10) = at least 6 to hit.
Does it make sense?
>>332437572
It means you have to have over -4 on a d20. So, you hit, unless you roll a 1, which supersede thaco.
>>332437650
>Int 17
Nah. She just has a pretending to be retarded personality.
Why first neverwinter was made into Forgotten Realms canon, but second one isn't?
>>332438004
Nice shitpost coming from someone on /v/
>the guy who goes out and socializes is more of a loser than the guy that plays vidya all day sitting in his man cave
>>332437572
thaco is capped at 1 i believe without bonuses, but you don't roll a -4, you just need to roll anything other than a natural 1 to hit ac-4.
>>332437732
>2 semi obscure games out of thousands
You really showed him!
>>332437860
Gnome Sorcerer is better senpai.
>>332438084
Explain? I don't read FR books because I heard they're fanfiction tier garbage and if Drizzt books are any indication as well as the BG novelization then they are indeed trash.
>>332438051
>wisdom
>11
too bad 17 int when 11 wisdom
>>332438130
Those are just the first ones that came to mind. And ones that I played recently.
>out of thousands
Most use systems you wouldn't even recognize. I picked two games that actually roll a d20 for attacking.
>>332437608
Bounty Hunter actually, with Mercykiller Ring. Weapon is Belm +4 (improved by Cromwell with 15k gp + Emerald).
>>332437583
That's Kivan you inbred faggot.That's Kivan, the inbred faggot.
He's pretty ridiculous since the mod gives him the Archer kit, he's ended up getting 30% of party XP contribution (CHARNAME has 45%).
>>332438235
Wisdom is something you aquire, not something you're born with anon.
Intelligence is far more important, Wisdom can be gained by studying and reading which is something Imoen skipped out on.
>>332438334
>Bounty Hunter actually, with Mercykiller Ring. Weapon is Belm +4 (improved by Cromwell with 15k gp + Emerald).
Oh you're using mods.
Die in a fire.
>>332438442
>no fun allowed
>the math isn't hard ur just dumb!
This is a strawman, the problem with THAC0 is that it is counterintuitive to the way most people expect a game system to function and mostly important there is no real gain in making the rules work this way.
>>332438182
In the game books events of neverwinter actually took place before city was destroyed, so you can refer to the characters and events from first game
If you want to gather together and play with your friends and refer to the king of shadows or Ammon Jerro it will still be only your headcanon, because such thing officially never existed
>>332438621
>the way most people expect a game system to function
Most game systems don't function like 3e.
>>332438636
That's not bad, because NWN2 OC was garbage even compared to NWN1 OC.
Imoen Romance mod Y/N
>>332438850
No because its cringeworthy as shit.
All romance mods are cringeworthy as shit.
>>332438832
Anon please don't be retarded. NWN2 OC is much better than NWN1 OC.
Now if you said HotU is much better than NWN2 OC then you'd be 200% right.
>>332438850
The romance in that mod is purely optional funny enough, the main component is fleshing out Imoen's interactions with you and other companions.
So yes.
>>332438773
>Most game systems don't function like 3e.
Most games systems use higher value as something better than lower value, unless we talk about retardness, which you obviously capped out.
>>332438850
N
play vanilla for better experience
>>332438993
Golf is retarded?
>>332432610
I hate the feat system and how 3rd edition was designed for minmaxing
>>332438993
Call of Cthulhu is d% where you always want to roll low.
Some systems don't even roll dice with numbers.
You have no experience with anything other than D&D so you don't know what your talking about.
>>332438850
impregnate then murder our rape child/10
>>332438993
All iterations of the Warhammer roleplaying games have you roll low for stat checks and high for damage output.
>>332438442
Mercykiller is vanilla though. A +4 Belm is crazy, but comparable to Short Sword of Mask; more expensive, but doesn't require a quest, also upgradable to +5 (with Level Drain on hit, no save only percentile chance) vanilla.
The extra attack from Belm is gud, but you don't want to get stuck in melee as a Thief, so you're mostly using Belm for the 0 speed.
>>332438969
>Anon please don't be retarded. NWN2 OC is much better than NWN1 OC.
I don't know, NWN1 OC plays like a light, classic fantasy adventure with some cool sidequests, while NWN2 OC is "guys we are trying SO HARD to be next Baldur's Gate".
But my opinion might be biased, because NWN2 ruined NWN community in my country, and I hate it with passion.
>>332439064
3E was designed for customization which is why I love it.
As long as your friends aren't being no fun allowed minmaxing retards then you will have plenty of fun with 3E.
And if they are then you have shitty friends.
3.5E is pretty much pinnacle of D&D as far as my opinion is concerned.
Though I heard that Pathfinder is 3.75E but I never tried that.
What is missing from both IWD games and PoE that makes them lose a lot of charm
>enemies/npcs don't have any sounds/lines when attacking/clicking them
Come on, I can still remember several
>So I kicked him in the head till he was dead,nyahaha
>Prepare to be eviscerated, fool!
>It may be a touch unlady like, but I'm going to slit your throat, I am!
>Foward, march!
>Save me dear sir, please, save me
>*COUGH-COUGH* M-my lung! I-it's flopping all over the dirt! Damn...
>You should not have come to this place
>Don't touch me... I might catch something!
>cow moos
Literally half of the charm of the series gone just like that
>>332438773
In most systems a positive number in a stat is good while a negative value is bad.
>>332439101
>roll low.
Not the same thing, do you want to have a higher or a lower value in your stats?
>>332439239
What country if I may ask?
But really NWN2 OC simply is much more robust in every way. You also have multiple companions and not cardboard cutout henchmen.
>>332439223
6x damage backstab isn't vanilla. Also a Belm +4 in SoA is not comparable to Short Sword of Mask in ToB.
>start BG2
>immediately quaff some pots of master thievery
>proceed to steal every fucking thing from every fucking store with 100% rate
Every time
>>332439273
IWD is not focusing on writing or charm, IWD focus is entirely on combat.
Pillars is much closer to IWD than it is to BG really.
>>332439283
Depends on the stat. Some are better higher some are better lower.
>>332439442
Are you a disgusting Eleven?
>>332438832
Agree, I wonder why people think that it was better
>King of Shadows is worse final villain compared to the Morag
>Story is worse and full of retarded shit, like people forgot that Ammon Jerro was a fucking Neverwinter general and lead soldiers against King of Shadows(it took less than 20 years to lost all archives and forgot about this)
>Forced companions who don't even needed for the story 90% of time
>>332439357
>You also have multiple companions and not cardboard cutout henchmen.
Lol, half of there more generic than henchmen
>>332439364
You can access Watcher's Keep in BG2 as long as you have ToB installed, nothing is preventing you from going there and buying shit.
>6x dmg backstab isn't vanilla
What is Assassin?
>>332439357
>What country if I may ask?
Poland. We had a massive amount of different NWN servers with lots of players.
Then NWN2 came, community spilt, NWN1 servers died off due to lack of players who went to NWN2, and then NWN2 died as well because it's just a shitty game that wasn't even playable in multiplayer on release.
>>332439683
He said he wasn't playing an assassin. He was playing a bounty hunter.
>>332439621
>Lol, half of there more generic than henchmen
Not at all. All of them have like 30 times more dialogue and banter than the fucking shitty henchmen.
You also have 4-6 man party in NWN2 while in NWN you are limited to 2-man in OC so you can only use one henchman.
>>332438024
Ok ok so Thac0 is something you compare to the monster and then go back and forth with to see what you need to roll to hit.
So if I had a Thac0 of 1 I would have to roll higher than 1 to hit someone.
So If I had a Thac0 of 1 and the enemy had a Thac0 of 8 and an AC of -10 I would have to roll a 11 or a 9 to hit?
I still think Thac0 is fucking insane and bullshit hard to understand and sitting here trying to work out this shit is making me feel like a fucking idiot.
>>332439710
Cho Seba, zagrajmy w Aielund Sagę sobie przez GameRangera.
Can somebody explain to me how the fuck is this guy Lawful Evil and not Lawful Neutral?
He's chill as hell and just leads a mercenary bodyguard business.
>>332439841
This has to be b8.
>>332439841
You need to roll 11.
>>332439710
I figured because I remember the Aeris debable.Jebany CD Projekt pierdolone sellouty.
Captcha: Whew Vernon
>>332438934
>>332439031
>>332439205
I'll probably install it for what >>332438969 said and just stick with best girl.
>>332439863
Sorry Mati ale nie chce mi się, niedługo wychodzi nowy dodatek do medżika który zajmie mi 100% wolnego czasu, a w NWNa przez internet to tylko na pernamentych serwerach.
>>332439841
You feel like a fuckign idiot because you apparently are. We already explained it to you like 3 times at least. Thaco - AC = What you gotta hit on the dice
you got a thaco of 1, he got -10 ac.
1 - (-10) = 11.
>>332440076
Ja w NWN2 grałem na konkurencyjnym serwerze którego nazwy już nawet nie pamiętam (a brałem udział w procesie tworzenia modułu heh). Z tego co zapamiętałem to Aeris to był straszny syf, a jeden z głównych twórców był pedałem i furry do tego.
>>332439841
you need to roll pi
>retards can't even understand how Taco Bell works
I mean it's definitely counter intuitive and anyone that tells you it isn't is horribly biased but it's not complex in the slightest. It's 1st grade math for fucks sake.
>>332439357
Fuck you mate deekin was great in NWN and you could have multiple henchmen and none of them were forced onto you.
>>332440129
Ok I sorta get it now.
Its still fucking shit compared to how they work it out now.
>>332439915
Rampant greed, willingness to kill. Also his merc were likely open for ''agressive'' jobs
>>332439621
Yet they actually have more than 5 lines of dialogue and interaction with other party members
And you actually can have more than a single fucking party member in a D&D GAME
>>332439710
NWN2 is so much better than NWN1 it's almost funny. Both modded and vanilla
Aha, holy shit NWN1 didn't even have a fucking caster prc with full caster progression
It was solo focused and it shows with all that retarded gear available with absurd things like permanent haste, soak damage etc
The fact it's pure 3e cheese doesn't help either
>Improved Critical stacks with Keen and then stacks with Ki Critical
top kek
>ability enhacements stack up to +12
lel
>>332439915
He is selfish and only cares about money and himself. The kind that would probably never ever perform a selfless act. He is by far the best tank in BG1 though. Only Korgan can surpass him in BG2. If he was built as a dwarven defender in BGEE it would be literally perfect
>>332439841
>So if I had a Thac0 of 1 I would have to roll higher than 1 to hit someone.
It depends on the enemy's AC always. If his AC is -15, your THAC0 of 1 means 1 - (-15) = 16 , you have to roll 16 to hit him. If his AC is 10, 1 - 10 = -9, so there's no way you can fuck up unless you roll a natural 1.
Enemy THAC0 has no bearing on your chance to hit. If your enemy has AC of -10 and your THAC0 is 1, you need to hit 1 - (-10) = 9.
It's pretty simple, just remember that subtracting from a minus gives you a plus. For cases when both THAC0 and AC are positive, it's even simpler, for instance THAC0 10 against AC 3 means 10 - 3 = roll 7 to hit them.
>>332439915
Because he's a subtle kind of evil. He does not want to murder everything for no reason, but he does everything for himself and his personal gain. He's all about gold without any of the dwarven virtues, probably the reason him and Yeslick fight.
>>332440230
Tego pedała wyjebali z CDP już jakis czas temu.
>>332440331
>Deekin
>NWN OC
Thanks for proving what a fucking illiterate retard you are anon.
>>332440350
How can you sorta get it?
Are you sorta an elementary school kid?
>>332440097
Studnia, no to chuj ci w dupę, zatem.
>>332440380
>If his AC is -15
I'll point out that in actual D&D AC is capped at -10.
Kited cleric or cleric/fighter multi for IWD EE?
>>332439786
Then say
>6x dmg backstab isn't Vanilla FOR BOUNTY HUNTER
you fucking moron.
If >>332437430 is the one you're trying to debunk, it's a situation where even a 3x backstab would have been enough. Any backstab multiplier above 5 is overkill 99% of the time.
>>332440365
>Yet they actually have more than 5 lines of dialogue and interaction with other party members
Doesn't make them any better
>>332440481
Its fucking weird to me because ive played dnd and doing this shit backwards instead of forward is fucking with my head and im tired.
>n*gger
back to /pol/ you dumb racists
>>332440521
Or how about you follow the fucking conversation you mongoloid.
>>332434692
harm is based on the melee attack roll to touch an opponent, if they got shit attack rolls they will always miss. Id guess for clerics u gotta use an attack roll buff bonus of some sort and some weapon with good to hit.
>>332440354
>Greed
God forbid someone expects a fucking payment for offering his services.
>willingness to kill
That's kind of mandatory for bodyguards anon.
By your logic every bodyguard is evil.
>>332440365
>He is selfish and only cares about money and himself.
Those are neutral aspects and not evil though.
With the exception of True Neutral of course which might as well be called True Retard.
>>332440365
>The fact it's pure 3e cheese doesn't help either
Nigga, NWN2 balance was way more fucked that NWN1, and the difference between normal characters and powerbuilds was astronomical, even compared to NWN1. The fact that you could run 4 classes made powerlevels go up insanely, you didn't even need overpowered gear for that.
>>332440640
Thanks for explaining for me why I find Harm useless.
Funniest class for NWN2 OC? Using that PrC mod if it matters (Kaedrin or something?`).
>>332440615
Chuj ci w pięty dla zachęty czarnuchu jebany
>>332440640
not to bring up an earlier sore subject but Harm is one reason that even I'll admit anomen is better using than Vic
>>332440747
Funniest as in comedy? Or did you mean the most fun class?
>>332440498
Oh, okay. In BG2, though, this isn't the case, especially with some of the sillier setups like the Swashbuckler's AC bonus stacking with some UAI armors like the Shuruppak's.
Granted, there's no reason to pump your AC that high, since enemies will always hit you at least once in 20 times (and they have shitloads of APR) and resistances are better.
>>332440507
Human Fighter (3) / Druid. Druids rock in IWD. But if you really want a cleric, the cleric kits aren't as useful as the fighter level. So make a dual human Fighter into Cleric (just enough to get another pip in weapons and some THAC0 and HP), or make a Dwarf F/C (pity Dwarves don't get cool items like Halflings and Gnomes do).
It's easy to see what OC was better
>Can you have replay nwn oc alone or with friends and still have fun?
Yes
>Can you have replay nwn2 oc alone or with friends and still have fun?
Lol, no
>>332431267
Play MotB then uninstall it. That's all NWN2 has going for it.
>>332440665
Bodygard is different from mercenary, anon.
And there Is such a thing abotu too much greed. You are on /v/, you certainly should know about the correlation.
In any case, he is lawfull evil, which is perfectly fine. The fact he's subdued and not a raging maniac like other evil companions doesn,t change that.
>>332440874
>In BG2, though, this isn't the case
I know I just felt like pointing some shit out.
>>332413861
Was buggy as shit when I played a pirated version. Crashed every once in a while. Doppelgangers moved out of bounds in the Sarevok coronation ceremony, ending the game.
I imported my monk to BG2 and he ended up with bugged armor class.
>>332441039
Was he actually useful as a companion? I used Sulik and Cassidy
>>332440585
write this down
let's put every living being has AC (armor class) 0
let's put you have thac0 (to hit armor class 0) of 15
so, to hit "every living being" you need to get a result of 15 in your dice roll + modifiers (weapons and stuff)
you have a fork +1
you throw your dice to attack that motherfucker and you get a 14 in that dice, plus +1 from the fork, you get a 15
turns out your thac0 is 15, that fucker gets hit
>what if someone has 2AC instead of 0?
that's +2 to your dice roll
14 dice +1fork +2 from their shitty armor = 17 as a result, that fucker gets hit again
>what happens if someone has -5 armor class?
the motherfucker is well protected
dice 14 +1fork -5 from their armor = 10 result, and you need a 15, the fucker lives another day
>>332440965
If being him counts as evil then fuck society for being retarded.
>>332441139
Not really, no. He was great at Repairing things but that was about it.
>>332440867
Most fun to play. Tried a melee Ranger (PA/Cleave) and it was incredibly effective (played until the fort just after leaving the village), but pretty dull.
>>332437430
are you using CIA animu as your portrait?
>BG/NWN thread hitting almost 500 replies on /v/
cool
>>332441312
Any spellcaster then obviously.
I like Clerics especially in early part of NWN2 OC campaign due to that whole cemetary and undead spam in the crypts.
How is Pillars of Eternity compared to the bg?
>>332441289
Well, i guess fuck society for not abiding people who kill for money ;^)
>>332440981
It's cool, I learned something new, so I can respect that.
>>332440912
>replay NWN OC
Dear god no.
The first time I beat it, it was with a dex-based rogue because I enjoy stealthy types and I thought I'd get to play around with all the utility and versatility. I played on Very Hard too, because why not.
And boy, I had to run away all the time, buy wands and traps by the thousands, because every fucking thing was backstab immune.
Sure it was fun to run around in perma-hasting Monk robes, but I couldn't kill anything in a straight-up fight and even with buffs and AoE wands, I always had my shit completely wrecked by random orc patrols and animals in later chapters.
The only saving grace of my build was that all the bosses went down in seconds. The fight with Aribeth was godlike because she stood right next to my traps and spammed mind-affecting spells at me when I was immune to them, my Reflex was too high for the few spells that affected that, and then she finally charged me with her sword and immediately died without me even getting to redeem her.
And Maugrim fell asleep the first time I hit him with my magic short sword. Fucking sub-boss not immune to Sleep.
I couldn't beat Morag because the fucking thing that was immune to blades was also immune to backstabs and I did no damage to it, so instead I blew up the Fire immunity with Wand of Fireballs and led Morag to 30 fire traps instead.
It was fun to one-shot full-health not weakened Klauth and I still have that save game, but fuck me.
Never playing dexers again.
>>332441405
Much, MUCH worse.
You should at least use IE Mod if you don't want to kill yourself while playing that.
http://www.nexusmods.com/pillarsofeternity/mods/1/
>>332440730
Are you kidding? The shit in NWN1 is way more ridiculous. I'll say again
>Keen stacks with improved critical and also ki critical thus giving you utterly retarded critical rates EVEN if you aren't a WM with barely any investment
>attribute enhancements up to +12
>attribute enhancements up to +12
>attribute enhancements up to +12
>devastating critical
>time stop
>permanent haste items, oh! and it also gives your casters a second spell/round thus making quicken spell worthless
>stacking elemental shield, mestil acid sheath for a literal bomb
>Harm reduces any enemy to 1d4 hp with NO SAVE
>some familiars can literally substitute a henchman (pixie, panther...)
>summons last for 24 hours
>weapons with insane on hit effects
>soak damage gear
>stoneskin gives /+5 DR meaning almost nothing will penetrate it
>flame weapon/darkflame going to up to 1d4 +10 extra damage
>improved invis last for MINUTES giving you almost permanent 50% concealment
And that's just to name a few
>>332440747
Frenzied Berserker, always FB.
Ok folks this thread has gotten me wanting to play through the BG Saga again.
Dubs decides my race/class.
>>332441395
NWN server when? We could just use gameranger to host and the keygen so we can all connect.
>>332441431
But he doesn't kill for money anon, none of his dialogue ever implied that.
In fact he's greatly distressed when he learns his mercs failed to protect some princeling.
>>332441312
If you want an easy to build character, effective and overpowered at all levels, then roll a cleric.
>>332441548
>Playing with tasteless faggots who like nwn2 oc more
Thanks, but no
>>332441405
Depends, the first release was alright, but itemisation was bad, items were mostly dull.
With the expac, they rebalanced most items to make them mroe effective, and many they added are powerfull enough to make them feel nice. They also tweaked spells and other ability to make them more fun.
7.5 for first release, now a easy 8.5/10. BG2 would be 9 to 9.5, still a gold standard
>>332441526
only dubs are 00 nowhuman bard
>>332439249
>As long as your friends aren't being no fun allowed minmaxing retards then you will have plenty of fun with 3E.
Complete fucking bullshit, this is the kind of player 3.5 screws over more than anyone else. Customization is a means to an end, not an end, and there are systems that are far more customizable that aren't riddled with bullshit trap options just because the designers hate players who don't want to play along with their MtG bullshit.
>>332441139
>>332441295
He's actually an interesting case because if you manage to level him up enough, he actually outstrips Cassidy in Energy Weapons. But NPC level ups are sporadic, so that's a problem. Nevertheless, Vic can be a powerhouse, and he's still better than most other NPCs because 1) he can still shoot a gun after all - if you stick him to a close range to alleviate his early Small Guns suckiness and give him a Shotgun, he'll be of decent help and 2) he can wear any armor. I'd take Vic over Marcus for an Enclave rush anyday.
>>332441526
>/v/
>dubs
Fuck off to whever you came from and lurk more faggot.
>>332441405
bad, no exp from mobs and they throw trash mobs at you constantly.
Each fight plays out more or less like the others , combined with the mobs, it is repetitive and boring. Story not nearly good enough to make up for it and so much superfluous shit to read in game you get bored really fast.
>>332441607
>he's greatly distressed when he learns his mercs failed to protect some princeling.
Because it means he lost rep and money
>But he doesn't kill for money anon, none of his dialogue ever implied that.
He also does not show any empathy towards fellow party members
>better them than me, heh!
Literally says that
>>332441312
Stormlord monk with shurikens always sounded fun to me but never tried
Swashbuckler/duelist/wizard/(child of night?) was fun when I played through MotB with it, the early leveling probably not so much
>>332439273
>Dont touch me, i'm super important
>Wanna look at me diddies?
>I AM the law
>>332441735
How is that evil again?
That's neutral as fuck.
Why should anyone care about other people in a life or death situation? Everybody should fend for themselves.
>>332441719
>play poe on pod
>one gorillion trash mobs
>no xp at all
That has to have been one of the most boring playthroughs of a game I ever had
>>332441548
Sorry anon, but it's not gonna happen, just let it go.
Also, can someone please make a new thread? I don't want this discussion to end for now.
>tfw trying to find a hafling portraits
>>332441890
Just steal the ones from Pillars.
>>332441818
this
>>332441405
if you want to try POE do so, but get it cheap and keep in mind what was said about it here. A better game is Divinity Original Sin and that one got kinda boring too, but the combat was excellent.
>>332441607
>Mercenary company boss is distraught when his mercs get killed and his payday too.
You don't say.
Just so you learn to stop questionning your betters, from his Bio
''When asked about his past, Kagain stresses that the questioner should just mind their own business if they want to keep their teeth. It is apparent that he runs a rather shady mercenary company and that he is quite obsessed with wealth, but any information beyond this he is content to keep to himself.''
And selected quotes
"For the love o' money."
"The only thing better than gold, is more gold."
"As leader I plan to make us stinkin' rich."
>>332441476
>dex-based rogue
>dex-based
>in DND 3.0 game
nigga you went full retard
>>332441830
I've been playing gameranger with friends but only the main campaigns.
>>332441816
>Why should anyone care about other people in a life or death situation? Everybody should fend for themselves.
In-game reason? The designers of BG always figured that the most outstanding, on-paper, NPCs, should be the ones with evil alignment to balance evil parties' inherent suckiness and issues. And Kagain fits because all you need to do is fix his Dex, and his Dwarven saving throws + natural HP regeneration are ridiculous.
For other reasons, just look at his biography:
>When asked about his past, Kagain stresses that the questioner should just mind their own business if they want to keep their teeth. It is apparent that he runs a rather shady mercenary company and that he is quite obsessed with wealth, but any information beyond this he is content to keep to himself.
Not a very pleasant fellow to be with. Secretive for some reason, his company is shady, and he actually abandons the lookout for Entar's son very early into the expedition, you just have to take him to a different area and he's like "nah, fuck that, who cares about the kid, I'll stick around with you because you're more likely to let me relish in a shitload of gold".
Even Xzar and Montaron aren't stupid-bloodthirsty. They approach you like they're pretty normal travelers and give you a health potion the moment you meet them.
Kagain does everything for himself and will easily switch allegations and abandon duties just to fulfill his lust for gold. That's, in general, pretty evil.
>>332442068
There are no informations given that would make him evil, except vague baseless assumptions ("rather shady mercenary company").
If desire to acquire wealth is evil, then 98% of people should be considered evil.
>>332440912
I enjoyed looting every house in NWN OC
>>332442470
Anon, i really don,t know what to say to you. It's quite clear you are content being wrong. and that no amount of actual tought will change your demonstratably stupid opinion.
And so, you win, Kagain should have been Lawfull Neutral because some retard on /v/ thinks it so. pack your bag, Black Isle, random anon knows better.
>>332441186
Ok I finally get it now and thanks anons for talking to me like the dumbass I was because I just could not rap my head around it.
It was the positive ac that was fuck me over because like I mentioned Im used to positive ac being good because of 3.0 and higher so I was thinking to hard on why the high number is bad and fucking you over in which in AD&D you want a negative ac to take away from their Thac0 to increase it so they cant hit you.
I get it but its still convoluted to people like me who are not used to it and personally the think 3.0 and higher its was easier to understand since it is just ac for all is 10, add armour and modifiers to work out your ac then they attack and add their mods to their attack and that's it.
>>332442215
In my D&D 3rd edition games, I played a rogue skillmonkey with Dex and Int as primary stats and was still useful enough because Weapon Finesse, sneak attacks, and all sorts of useful skills that other party members couldn't afford.
And I might not be an optimization virtuoso, but it's enough to imagine that, with a healthy enough stock of invis potions, I should be able to one-shot almost every mundane enemy with the old Invis potion->sneak->stab->invis tactic over and over. But almost every mundane enemy is some sort of an undead or construct or some other shit that just doesn't get backstabbed because that's what the devs wanted.
And besides, from what I hear, dual Kukri and/or Rapier&Shield Dex-builds are very viable in NWN1 multiplayer. The Short Sword I got was actually pretty useful for putting people to sleep when it mattered. It's just that the OC is fucking shit for pure rogues and I wish I played a Ftr/Rog and pumped strength while still having enough everything skills to UMD and set traps.
>>332442384Maybe I don't consider him evil because I relate to him the most.
![neverwinter-nights-2-mac.png[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/khtbvzn.jpg "neverwinter-nights-2-mac [1]")
![198974-fo02_npc_vic[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Nfxary6.png "198974-fo02 npc vic[1]")
