Ok niggers. Which version is best? Enhanced or original with mods i.e. HD res, BGT etc.
I figure the dust has long settled by now.
>>332412412
EE, the new component is purely optional and 2 of the 4 new companions are actually pretty good.
>>332412750
>2 of the 4 new companions are actually pretty good.
which 2?
>>332412917
Rasaad and Neera.
Honestly Dorn is fine too as long as you can ignore the fact he has optional bisex route.
>>332412750
All four are shit.
>>332413318
Ebin anon. I bet you didn't even play it and parrot like a retard.
>>332412412
Original without mods > Original with mods > not playing at all > Enhanced Edition
>>332413287
I need Dorn to be good for my edgemaster playthroughs.
>>332413580
Dorn is as edgy as you can get seeing as he's a Blackguard.
Don't fall for the /v/ memeing about EE just because BG1EE had a rushed launch thanks to Atari being garbage publisher.
>>332413531
what exactly soured your disposition toward EE?
What's a fun face class in BG 1/2? I was thinking Elven Berserker, dual wield long swords
>>332413287
Dorn wanting to have gay sex with my char was funny though.
>>332413958
Kensai/Mage dualclass, always.
Alternatively pic related.
>>332414082
is unarmed dragon disciple decent in low levels?
>>332413861
Vanilla is perfect. Mods come in two varieties. The sort that either tries to spruce the visuals up, which is sort of pointless given that the low-res doll models is half the charm; or the ones that add shitty fanfic garbage in it. I can understand the former if you're a babby who didn't play BG when it was new and the visuals hurt you to look at. But the latter?
Enhanced Edition doesn't even give you the option. You HAVE to take the shitty mods with the acceptable ones. It wasn't broke, but they still figured they'd fix it, like adding walkie talkies to ET.
There's literally no logical explanation in preferring originals over EE with a few mods.
Even if you dislike optional content (Neera and that nigger vampire were horrible but monk was pretty good) you can just ignore it.
>>332414201
Obviously anon.
2d4 is better than 1d6 with staff.
>>332413958
Wild Mage, obviously.
>>332414223
>liking vanilla BG1 on BG1 engine mechanics
BARF
>>332414223
Baldur's Gate Trilogy and that other mod (I can't remember its name) that does the same job are neither of those though. Others are saying the optional content is actually optional and I'm all for a couple of new characters. whether they're worth it or shitty fanfic is where subjectivity comes in. I've played the original so many times I would like to see what they add. I also prefer the game being a bit more zoomed out.
>>332414441
>wanting the game to pause when opening the inventory
Disgusting.
>>332412412
I got all versions of the game(Even a german one) and i load up EE. Just skip the added companions and you should be fine.
>>332414776
There is literally 0 reason to play original over EE anon.
Not to mention all the engine improvements and bugfixes that can't be implemented with mods since some of the bugs were on engine level.
Also, Infinity Engine was written in Assembly so I can't even imagine how hellish it must be to work with it.
Baldur's Gate was never good.
The only good thing to come out of it was Infinity Engine because it allowed Torment to exist (even though it would stil have been a better game if it was turn-based).
>>332414441
t.BornAfter1995
>>332415616
Try again faggot, born in 91
Original BG1 engine is broken on so many levels and you're a retard for liking objective shit.
>>332412412
They're practically the same the regular version just requires some extra effort to install mods for
What's a good guide for this game?
>>332415551
>le smug anime shitpost face
Classic
>>332415616
The reason a mod exists that allows you to play BG1 on the BG2 engine is because BG1's engine is just not that good.
>>332416062
The manual
>Beamdog wants to sell 1 million copies of an expansion to a 17 year old game
What the actual fuck.
>>332416187
There is very little the BG2 engine does better or adds to the game.
>>332416062
you play it.
>>332416187
>a mod
Try 2.
TuTu and BGT.
>>332416327
It improves pathfinding a bit and changes some spells around
>>332416327
It made a big enough difference to me to warrant the hassle of installing the mods. I always find it much better.
>>332416230
http://steamspy.com/app/228280
The game isn't even owned by half million people. I don't see how they expect to sell 1 million copies of the expansion when the base game sold half that.
>>332415710
>born in 91
>says that like he's proud of it
So you were 7 when Baldur's Gate game out. My point is proven. Too young to know better.
>augh this game looks hard on my virginal babby eyes
>must suck
>if it was any good it'd be on xbox live
>>332416509
Or you could just play EE which has ToB engine on steroids with further improvements.
>>332416329
I work +40 hours a week. Don't have time to really get into a game any more like this. But be unhelpful, I'm sure your cleverness keeps you warm at night
>>332416415
Yeah, but the spell changes are not particularly good. Taking out teleportation is a limitation, summoning cap is a limitation. Adding in BG2 spells in itself has precious little to do with the engine per se.
I give you the pathfinding, but you do most of your adventuring in wide open areas where it doesn't matter. And in dungeons, the improvements make no difference either, as no amount of pathfinding can ever fix the clusterfuck that is Firewine ruins.
>>332416592
I love how you're projecting so hard that the clench makes your anus bleed you fucking illiterate retard.
>>332412412
Modded Enhanced Edition is pretty good.
That said, the game itself is very overrated. Its archaic interface is a pain in the ass, and there is a good reason D&D changed over the edition from what we see here.
Its alright, if you really feel like replaying it pick up EE and add on some mods.
If its your first time you will probably dislike it. I cant see anyone enjoying Baldurs Gate for the first time in 2016.
>>332416592
It was inevitable that my thread would lure the shitposters.
Your point was disproven elsewhere and this mad reply doesn't even make sense. Even if age was relevant, I was born in '86 and played BG1 when it was on 8 discs.
>>332416592
89 here I played all BG and Icewind dale at release. Funny that you think this series is only for mature gamers like yourself lmao.
>>332416775
>Taking out teleportation is a limitation, summoning cap is a limitation.
BG2 Tweaks allows you to remove caps.
aTweaks allows you to use PnP Dimensional Door.
>as no amount of pathfinding can ever fix the clusterfuck that is Firewine ruins
Don't forget Ulcaster as well as the Nashkel and Cloakwood mines.
>>332416534
You are forgetting that Steam is not their only platform. BGEE is also a mobile game sold for tablets through googleplay and apple's app store.
>>332414223
Vanilla is piss easy after a few playthroughs. You need SCS to beef up enemies.
>>332416905
You've got a point, didn't think of the tablet release.
>>332416836
I was born in '84 and also on the 8 discs and think Baldur's Gate is a great entry. I guess the cut-off for maturity is '85.
>>332416886
But what's the point of modding the game to get back vanilla features you removed by modding it?
>>332414357
Preferring 2d.. Fucking robot.
>>332416943
I would use SCS if it didn't break many mods.
>>332417032
Because you still get thousand times better engine you fucking retard.
>>332414314
>There's literally no logical explanation in preferring originals over EE with a few mods
I dislike the practice of putting a few essential mods together, writing some fanfic tier content and selling it as an "enhanced edition" of a classic to milk a good franchise that should stay dead and undisturbed.
>>332416592
>I'm slightly older than you so i know best
What a faggot.
>>332417213
Anon they did much more than just putting few essential mods together, the engine improvement alone are worth a pirate.
Read the first issue of Familiar
http://thefamiliar.beamdog.com/5.0/#!/articles/105651
They actually go in-depth explaining under the hood code and engine changes.
>>332417097
Does SCS break mods? How, all it does is alter scripts to improve AI. I would think it only enhances other mods.
Dragonspear when?
>>332412412
a lot of mods are compatible with EE
>>332417736
Some mods or components like aTweaks are explicitly broken by SCS or vice versa.
>people not only recommending EE but encouraging the use of Beamdog NPCs
I suppose the EE is acceptable but the writing for the added companions is fucking awful. Even for video game writing. Avoid them like the plague and you'll be fine.
>>332417010
see>>332416843
there is none. Feeling superior to someone for being 5 years older is fucking laughable and juvenile. Every single generation does it and its just plain funny to me. There is good kids younger than me and plenty of idiots who will never grow up in their 40s. Generalising is not a good way to show how super mature you are.
Tell me what class to roll, also take the following into account.
Dragon Disciple Sorcerers are divided into sub-classes you pick from ingame and get matching extra spells and resistances based on that:
Acid (Black/Green Dragon)
Cold (White Dragon)
Electric (Blue/Bronze Dragon)
Fire (Red/Gold Dragon)
Bloodline Sorcs also divide into subclasses:
Eldritch, Celestial, Stormborn, Rimeblooded and Groveborn.
Basically fixed bonus spells at the cost of losing out on 1 spell per level and -1 penalty to casting speed.
>>332418438
Wait, can someone explain this to me? BG was an AD&D game, but some of those are clearly classes from 3.x. What did they do?
>>332418145
The hypocrisy from people like you is off the charts because you can't possibly tell me that such character like
>K-K-KHALID T-THE P-P-P-PERMA S-S-S-STUTTER
>BOO LOL SO RANDUM LE GIANT SPACE HAMSTER RIGHT BOO? BOO BOO BOO xDDD
>HIYA ITS ME IMOEN HEY CAN I STEAL THAT? :3 HAHA I STOLEZ IT XD
are in any way shape or form well written.
>>332412412
The mobile version?
>>332418549
IWD1 added some 3E aspects.
The EE releases added Blackguards and Dragon Disciples from EE due to popular demand.
Rest are mods.
>>332418374
And every single younger generation thinks its funny until the next one comes along and shits all over theirs.
I don't have to defend Baldur's Gate. It singlehandedly revitalized PC RPGs and was universally critically acclaimed.
If a bunch of /v/ babbies too enthralled with the Bioware-tier faggot fanfic EE crap want to take a shit all over it, feel free. But don't get all pissy when I call you out for being the underaged sperg faggots that you are.
>>332418438
>warsling sniper
>barbarian ranger
>gypsy
>sharpshooter and sniper as a fucking thief class kit
What the actual fuck is this shit
I don't think people complaining about EE NPCs ever played the original games, at least not in recent years because plenty of the original companions have absolutely abysmal writing
>>332418594
You're really reaching. The only bad one out of those is the space hamster thing.
I'm leveling a fighter and I'm gonna dual to cleric
should I dual at 7 or 9?
>>332418882
Not even that. Space Hamsters were an actual thing.
>>332418804
You missed the point. /v/ will shit on anything its fucking 13 year olds. We were all fucking stupid back then. Well I played BG 2 at that age but still. Sure BG and Icewind Dale etc are great but why would you give a shit about people who never played a single isometric game in their whole life?
>>332418594
But you know what? THEY WERE NOT WRITTEN TO BE CHARACTERS. They were not characters, they were just some pre-made party members with a few voiced lines. It was trying to imitate the small jokes pnp players make, not actual characters in the setting.
Delete their voice files and they might as well not even exist. They won't bother you ever again. Meanwhile EE companions won't stop reminding you just how putrid the writing is.
>>332418817
Mods anon.
Warsling Sniper is literally a copypaste of Ranger's Archer kit but with Slings.
Barbarian Ranger is a ranged Barb.
Gypsy see pic related.
Sharpshooter can coat ranged weapons in poison and get grandmastery in thief missile weapons but can't get backstab multiplier.
Sniper can get Mastery in thief ranged weapons and use called shots 3 times a day and gets +1 to hit and damage rolls every 4 levels on average (well early game every 3 and late every 5 levels) but the disadvantage is only 20 skill points per thief skills per level and reduced backstab multiplier.
Heya! It's me, Imoen!
>>332419164
Yes canon because Minsc and Imoen totally don't exist in BG2 and totally don't have bottom of the barrel writing.
Totally.
Aerie and Mazzy also totally don't exist.
Yep.
>>332418979
You should always dual at 7, 9, 11 or 13.
The later the better if you plan to move on to BG2 with the character but know that if you go later than lvl7 you probably won't reach lvl8 with Cleric fast enough in BG1 so you will be kinda gimped in BG1. Don't dual class later than lvl13 though as at that point you don't get any advantages.
>>332419245
This reminds me why I don't really like the D&D class system, or any class system for that matter.
All of that could be achieved with a classless system where you can simply choose what do you want to do and how good do you want to be at it.
>>332419350
Wincest mod best mod.
>>332419562
Those aren't classes though anon, they are kits.
The classes are the base ones in the center of the image.
Rest are just basically specific variations of each class.
Also once the expansion launches they're officially moving Barbarian into a Fighter kit because it really doesn't warrant being a separate class when it doesn't even have kits. Mechanically it will be the same, just listed as Fighter kit instead of separate class.
Shaman is gonna take up Barb's base class slot.
>>332419665
You're hardly brother and sister seeing as you had different mothers and thus your genes are different enough that mixing them wouldn't result in retarded children.
Is this correct in terms of power?
>god tier
Keldorn, Korgan, Edwin
>good tier
anomen, aerie, haer dalis
>average tier
viconia, valygar, imoen, jaheira, minsc
>bad tier
nalia, yoshimo, cernd, mazzy, jan
>>332419358
You were bringing BG1 examples and I responded accordingly. BG2 is a whole different matter, at least EE companion behavior is not completely out of place there.
But I'm not the best person to argue for BG2 companions, on my single playthrough I had a hard enough time gathering enough of them I could tolerate to form a full party. Therefore I'm not particularly familiar with most of their written dialogue.
>>332419986
My point is that BG companions be it 1 or 2 were never really all well written and that the EE companions genuinely don't stand out with the exception of BG1 where they act like BG2-style companions but anyone with half a brain uses NPC Project mod anyway which turns all BG1 companions into BG2-style companions and that makes the EE companions no longer stand out.
And bottom line is that they're optional so if they trigger you so much you can just kill them at no reputation loss.
>>332419935
In terms of power? Yoshimo's traps can gib dragons, so putting him in the lowest tier doesn't make much sense.
>>332419986
The BG2 characters aren't poorly written for the most part but if you find them annoying that's another matter.
>>332419935
Anything with arcane magic should be at least in good tier
>>332417978
You get most of the ATweaks with Bg2 tweeks from the gibbering 3. Or i could be wrong.
>>332420420
You are indeed wrong anon.
aTweaks and BG2Tweaks are entirely separate mods.
You're thinking of BG2Tweaks incorporating some features from IWDification mod.
Here anon, my weidu log:
http://pastebin.com/c1bRxFe2
I don't have all components from BG2Tweaks or aTweaks installed but most of them are, it should give you a rough idea what aTweaks and BG2Tweaks do.
>>332419935
Been a while but I'm pretty sure Anomen was one of the strongest after getting buff from Order of whatever; I think Viconia was top tier too.
>>332418438
What mods?
>>332420770
2 posts above you my full mod log
Posting this just in case:
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/34882/list-of-bg2ee-compatible-mods
>>332419528
Thank you anon, I'll dual class at 7 then
>>332420837
Learn to link anon.
BG1EE compatible mods:
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/15380/bg-ee-mods-and-modding-tutorials-quick-links/p1
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/38254/bg1-unfinished-business-v14-beta-with-bgee-compatibility-updated-2016-01-24/p1
BG2EE compatible mods:
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/34882/list-of-bg2ee-compatible-mods/p1
IWD1EE compatible mods:
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/36477/list-iwd-ee-compatible-mods/p1
>shaman class will get druids spells
Man I hope they port some spells from IWD
>>332420147
And my point is that nothing is preferable over bad. If someone wants to use terribly written fanfiction mods, all the more power to them. But that doesn't justify adding just as terribly written content to the base game itself.
Sure they are optional, and so I don't use them. But if Beamdog is going to create their own games, which they want to, then I'd rather they tried to improve the quality of their writing, or it's going to be a cringe fest. Problem is it's not going to happen as long as they believe their crap is god's gift to BG fans.
>>332421093
Install IWDification mod which adds ALL spells from IWD.
Whats a good favored enemy for ranger in Baldurs Gate 1 EE?
>>332421151
Spiders
>>332421149
Do you think it'll work with the new expansion?
>>332421151Humansif you could actually pick it.
Otherwise really Gnolls I think.
So druids are shit in BG and OP in NWN right?
>>332421273
>Do you think it'll work with the new expansion?
If you wait a week or two to let all modders update their mods then obviously yes.
There is already a thread on forum where people check what mods work on 2.0 and you'd be surprised how many do.
Just give it some time if you want to play the expansion modded.
>>332421327
>druids are shit
No
>>332421327
>Druids are good in BG and OP in NWN
FTFY
>>332421407
>>332421468
What are some good druid spells other than insect swarm?
>never got too far in BG2 as a kid
>want to give it a try now
>it's 200 fecking hours
>now that I have a job and stuff
>>332421552
>BG2
>200 hours
What the fuck are you babbling about.
>>332421548
Conjure fire elemental, iron skin, nature's beauty, greater elemental summoning
>>332421968
If elementals take too much damage, they turn on you, right?
>>332421968
3 of those are mage spells.
Good job pointing out how shit druid are.
>>332422024
The druid versions don't have a chance of your summon going hostile as soon as you cast the spell.
>>332419935
Yoshimo and/or Jan Jansen are useful for traps and thieving.. So is Nalia, but she's an SJW cunt so fuck her.
>>332422121
>chance
>HURR WHAT IS PROTECTION FROM EVIL
>>332412412
Original no mods.
>>332422190
That only works for summoning fiends, retard.
>>332420647
I know i once DLed Atweaks for the Dimension door spell. Other than that there was some some stuff that could be good, but if it gets assblasted by SCS its not worth it IMO.
>>332422319
And they're superior to your shitty elementals in every way is what my point is.
ENHANCED!!!
Because it works on the GNU/Linux.
Do the new party members have any interaction with the original ones? Or do they just exists in some awkward limbo?
>>332422737
They do.
>>332420648
IIRC Anomen had potential since he has fighter levels with spellcaster levels, so he can augment himself into a monster tank + heal everyone else.
Viconia isnt anything special, but because she's a Drow, she gets close to 80 magic resistance.
>>332413287
You mean Baeloth and wilson, right?
>>332422930
>wilson
Who?
Baeloth is pretty good but he doens't exist in BG2.
I have EasyTutu installed, and am trying to actually finish a playthrough, last time I ended up stopping.
Is there any reason for me to just pirate Enhanced Edition instead?
>>332418882
Never understood minsc's appeal
>>332423053
not really
>>332422549
Not the guy you're replying to, but totally fucking wrong.
Fiends napalm the entire fucking area with fireballs that burns anyone close to it, including you. You cant controll them, so if an enemy is outside of the Fiends FOV it will just stand there and hiss. If there are civillians nearby, say good bye to whatever reputation you had, and the raisin on top. You dont get any EXP for what they kill.
Elementals are controllable, they dont come with fucking retarded scripts like Fiends and Djinns, Erefretti or whatever the fuck those legless arab bottle bums are called, and you get EXP for any kill they make.
>>332423053
Just pirate EE for objectively superior experience and you can safely ignore the EE content if you don't like it.
Guys, I need a good paladin mod kit. Not vanilla, I repeat not vanilla kits. I already play with Paladin, Cavalier, Inquisitor and UH. I'm searching for other paladin's kits. Any help?
>>332423446
EE has Blackguard.
>>332413531
EE > BGT > Other RPG games > Original 640x480 (nice hud scale edition).
>>332423507
jesus...
What's the difference between BGtutu and BG Trilogy?
>>332423908
One keeps the games separate.
>>332423908
tutu = bad, idiot name
BGT = good, logic name
>>332423908
TuTu is just BG1 on BG2 Engine with no other changes.
Trilogy merges BG1 and BG2 into one game.
>>332417738
2-3 days i think
>>332417738
cant wait for more gay romance and, I hope, some trans romance too.
>>332424146
Thats what RPGs are all about. Sucking and fucking.
Reminder this is happening in 2 days
Reminder Irenicus is back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ydvnDHkqPw
>>332412412
EE
There is literally no reason not to get EE as of currently.
>>332424415
That's the point of roleplaying, yes. Shit like dragons and adventures is a side effect.
Shh no tears, only Irenicus now.
>>332423179
>>332423428
Okay, so can I ask what makes it objectively superior?
NPCs aside.
>>332424415
well, i'm not against that but I would like some romance with cute girls instead.
>>332424971
Just keep playing tutu and fuck off
>>332424441
>>332424885
Fuck yeah David Warner
>>332425062
>>332424971
Bugfixes, improved interface, new classes, font scaling, no need to fuck around with mods to get core experience.
>>332424441
Did gayder work on this one? I want to believe he still has some talent left in him.
>>332425198
Not really, he joined beamdog late last month and the game was finished (as in content and feature complete) in December, they've been in QA testing since then. But Gaydar is supposed to work on their new game they'll be making after this.
>>332425180
Sounds amazing, seeing as widescreen for some reason hasn't worked well for me on this new computer.
Now can I ask, aside from NPCs which I can just ignore/laugh at, are there any downsides?
Removed content, altered dialogue, mechanical changes, etc?
>>332424441
>those graphix
what the fuck man
it looks like a fucking web game
>OP started with an n word
>thread still not deleted
>>332413958
Swashbuckler + UAI.
Ayyyyyyy
>>332425117
you dont want to play EE so, whats the deal? keep using tutu and thats it.
>>332424971
All the base mods integrated, new stuff, better UI, can ACTUALLY ZOOM IN AND OUT, good font.
>>332425314
None. At launch certain mods didn't work and there were several bugs, but now it's all been fixed and you can use whatever stuff you want. There is literally no reason NOT to use EE.
>>332423020
The bear from Rasaad quest.
>>332425348
You can check /vg/. There are nice skyrim and DAI generals perfect for you.
>>332425314
Nope anon. It's literally the objectively best way to play BG nowadays and the only people shitting on it are those that hate new companions (despite them being fucking OPTIONAL) and BG1 grognards who want to torture themselves with original BG1 engine at 640x480 resolution, 20 FPS lock and overall engine shittyness.
>>332425348
Hello underage.
>>332423020
>Baeloth is pretty good but he doens't exist in BG2.
still crying about this.
>>332425497
check a knife and stab your brain with it
I love old BG graphics, but that video looks like someone tried to improve them and now it looks fucking bad
>>332425557
same
>>332416775
>tfw he did the Ruins part of Firewine, instead of just popping into the end boss's room directly from the Halfling Village, killing him and his goons, and looting their stuff, which is all that's worth going to Firewine for anyway.
>>332425597
Yep.
I'd much rather have Baeloth than the Niggeress Vampire.
In fact I'd much rather have the Fake-Hexxat than the real one while we're at it.
>>332425643
If you're talking about the black outlines they're optional feature for tablets where it's harder to see sprites. You can turn them off anon.
>>332425643
>check a knife and stab your brain with it
It worked for you it seems.
>>332424441
>Dynaheir is still alive
For fucks sake I want Minsc in my team but she is fucking useless.
>>332425710
if that's the tablet version then I guess it's ok
also it looks like they tried to use the same colouring technique in everything like they did on the EE cutscenes (worse in my opinion)
I hope you can make it look like every BG
>>332425737
did you read my post
>>332425781
Bring her to the basilisk area
>>332425710
>I'd much rather have Baeloth than the Niggeress Vampire.
Hexxat was so fucking boring, even for a /u/fag
>>332425970
>they're optional feature for tablets where it's harder to see sprites. You can turn them off anon.
>if that's the tablet version then I guess it's ok
Man, this nigga has some serious brain damage. Can you just die? like your mother used to say, you are a mistake. Die already.
>>332413287
>he has optional bisex route.
wow
bisexual
much wrong
much wow
love is evil backwards let me show you *unzips penis*
>>332419872
>because all the monarchies in the world that kept inbreeding for centuries bred healthy and beautiful people
kek
e
kek
>>332425781
That's between BG1 and BG2 anon, it's not set after BG2/ToB. So of course she's alive.
>>332425198
Also to add to what I said here >>332425310
They've got Trent Oster, the Lead Producer of the BG games working on this.
As well as Cameron Tofer who is the creator and Lead Programmer behind Infinity Engine.
And most importantly Brent Knowles who was the Lead Designer and Creative Director behind BG2, NWN, Jade Empire and DA:O
>>332426557
I don't think you know what inbreeding means anon. Imoen and Gorion's Ward have different mothers and thus different enough genes.
>>332426205
le edgy teenager meme
>>332425781
Dynaheir is part of the canon party of BG1 i believe.
You (abdel/charname), Minc, Dynaheir, Imoen, Jaheira and Khalid.
Khalid was tortured to death in Irenicus' dungeon, and Dynaheir died when you were captured.
>>332427001
and given the fact the Ward can be a full blooded elf/dwarf/gnome/halfling its safe to assume that Bhaal was in a different form when impregnating both their mothers which would ensure there would be no biological relationship between the two of them, only a spiritual
so biologically speaking they're completely unrelated so there wouldn't be any incest in the traditional sense
only thing any of their offspring would have would be a severe concentration of divine essence so it would likely be a powerful entity in its own right.
>>332427295
>abdel
>>332427295
The things I'm looking forward to the most in SoD are Irenicus in general and Dynaheir being vaporized by him.
>>332427759
honestly, Irenicus isn't all that great a villain
sure he was intimidating and awesome throughout most of the game, but then you find out his motivations and goals and it just feels like he's throwing a big temper tantrum
>>332427923
His motivations and goals may not be that good but he's still legitimately threatening and he has 10/10 voice acting which is more than enough to make me like him.
>>332427602
>http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Abdel_Adrian
I'm just good at remembering useless stuff, bro. Its a legitimate form of intelligence.
>>332428098
I think its more akin of "we're pretending this never happened for our sanity's sake"
same like how Mass Effect 1 was the last game Bioware ever made
>>332427923
I disagree. His plan was literally to resume his plan, which was to suck the tree of life dry and become some über God.
Pretty sweet idea, since it was actually possible for him to pull it of, unlike Sarevok who just assumed if he killed a bunch of people he would be raptured into divinity.
>>332428432
>unlike Sarevok who just assumed if he killed a bunch of people he would be raptured into divinity
But that's how it works.
Once all Bhaalspawn are dead, the last one left standing will transform into the Slayer.
>>332428432
to be fair though, ToB shows he actually DID have the right idea after all, he was just wholly unaware of just how friggin outclassed he was
>>332428367
>Although Adrian eventually escaped the grasp of Irenicus, he ended up being aided by Bodhi. Slowly, he began to fall in love with Bodhi, who had already fallen for him, with the two ending up on an adventure to stop Irenicus. Travelling with Bodhi, Abdel eventually acted on his feelings for her and the two had sex.[citation needed] However, before they were going to again consummate, Abdel transformed into the Bhaalspawn Slayer and murdered his love.
wew.. Say no more. I didnt read the books.
Should I install this UI mod?
Looks pretty good.
>>332428673
those books are basically fanfiction that got published
BAD fanfiction at that
>>332428673
>and the two had sex
>[citation needed]
HAH
>>332428673
>Abdel eventually acted on his feelings for her and the two had sex.[citation needed]
Is there a mod for EE which removes the added shit? A mod for IWD EE?
>>332428586
He was outclassed in BG, but with the way the settign works i think he could have had a real chance with enough time. You kinda just chump him early in his life. He was quite clearly building some good connections and had one of the Flaming Fist bosses on payroll for army building purpose.
Then again, he would have had to go trough Balthazar and the plothole dragon. which wouldn't have been easy
>>332429415
Why would you remove content that's purely optional to begin with? What kind of fucking autism do you have?
IWD:EE doesn't have any new content beyond further restored cut content which is basically a more robust and polished version of IWD Unfinished Business.
I really like this UI mod on first glance.
>>332429659
IWD:EE has additional spells, weapons, kits - loads of things that affect game balance.
>>332430152
Then don't fucking use them you autistic fuck and go play Sawyer's "no fun allowed" Shillers of Equality because BG has never been a balanced series.
>>332430253
to be fair though, a complete lack of balance does make a game worse
>>332429650
His idea wasnt to specifically target other Bhaalspawn though. It was just dumb luck that he stumbled into Charname and Imoen. His plan was just to orchestrate a giant war and hope some other Gods saw him as worthy of the mantle and lift him up. He didnt know about the Bhaalspawn essence until he had been killed, twice.
>>332430253
He's not even talking about BG????
>>332430253
Why did you get incredibly angry and suddenly bring PoE out of nowhere? I agree he could jsut not use them, but that outburst was unnecessary.
Anyone know if Imoen romance and Saerileth mods work on EE?
>>332430356
He knew fully well, as the intro cinematic consist of him killign another baalspawn
>>332430253
BG has never been balanced. IWD was much closer.
I just want to play a balanced IWD with easier looting and a nicer engine.
>>332430384
>out of nowhere
He's bitching about MUH BALANCE which is exactly what Sawyer does with his garbage game.
>>332430382
IWD falls under the same category but clearly reading between the lines and common senes are too hard for an inbred monkey like you.
>>332430336
Nobody is forcing you to wear the Robe of Spell Slinging, or the Sword of Mass Murder, or the Bow of InstaKill.
>>332412412
meh, imo there's no real difference between vanilla,ee or with mods, unless you use one of those mods that makes it harder.
i would prolly just play vanilla or vanilla with that one mod that i can't remember. the one that makes the game harder.
>>332430458
Imoen romance works, don't know what the other one is.
>>332430531
I think you got anger issues, and that you might want to stop being a salty twat about PoE. Might make you look less like a raging retard.
>>332430550
no but all difficulty just feels fake if its you who's limiting yourself
>>332430807
Nice moving of goalposts you little shitter
>>332430550
Shit argument is shit. You don't have to play Wizardry with kid gloves on, why the fuck does BG deserve any slack?
>>332430487
>27th of Tarsahk, 1368: I take my leave of Candlekeep now, and not a moment too soon, for I am sure that Gorion has perceived my heritage. One thing that I am certain of: <CHARNAME> is, in actuality, one of Bhaal's brood as well. <CHARNAME> has all the markings, and it would explain Gorion's curiosity of my studies. Though there is nothing I can do now, I will have to make certain to return and kill the little brat. It would be foolish of me to let one of my siblings live, especially one being brought up by the Harpers (and I am sure that is where Gorion's allegiances lay).
- Diary of Sarevok
Also, at the end of the Thief Maze before the final confrontation with Sarevok there is some dying asshole who explains his whole plan. Had nothing to do with specifically killing Bhaalspawn, he just wanted murder on a massive scale.
>>332419935
mazzy is good tier at least, her abilities virtually make her a paladin without the drawbacks
Aerie is bad tier because her stats are just not there for a decent C/M,
Vic is god tier b/c she is the only NPC cleric worth a damn
Haer Dalis is average tier unless you really like bard shit.
Jan is good tier as his illusionist/thief is better than imoen and nalia by a long margin and his special gear is pretty neato
>>332430550
not him but yeah, that's true but a game is still better without shit like that.
what's next? you don't need to have <insert class here>? you don't need to have party members? you don't need to have your eyes open when playing?
>>332430947
What goalpost? Please be precise, i want to have a good laugh
![neverwinter-nights-2-mac.png[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/khtbvzn.jpg "neverwinter-nights-2-mac.png[1].jpg")
Playing pic related for the first time, running through the OC first because I heard you kind of need to in order to fully enjoy MotB
Rolled up a Paladin, and shit is boring as hell. Just finished the trial, should I keep plugging away and roll up something different for MotB or just restart?
>>332430961
Because massive wars are the best way to kill bhaalspawn, since bhaal fucked pretty much anything that moved (or not)
>>332431006
Haer Dalis is bascially a fighter/mage which everyone knows is the most overpowered multiclass.
>>332430808
>>332430951
Unless you're playing SCS or Tactics mods, you're already massively over powered if you can cast 8th level spells.. And when you can cast 9th level spells you can solo demogorgon in 1 second.
>>332431267
>Rolled up a Paladin, and shit is boring as hell.
No shit. Not only does the OC suck no matter what you do, but martials are boring one trick ponies.
>>332412412
Its wierd saying this but all the original vanilla games are superior and the EE are pointless to buy. Baldurs gate 1 the original classes felt balanced and classic for the low level setting. Baldurs gate 2 the higher resolution ruins the games old school 2d and paper doll aesthetic. Ice wind dale is Waay superior original version also as the games itemization and stuff was designed for multiclassing and kitless classes.
>>332431267
>playing melee characters in these games
they've always been boring anon
3.5E shines the most with spellcasters in terms of fun
>>332414082
What OP mod is this?
>>332431473
>OP mod
>gets less spells
I don't think so Tim.
>>332431267
don't really know, nwn2 wasn't that good to start with so i'm gonna go ahead and say that the game will be boring no matter what class you roll
>>332431302
are you sure about that? i got the impression that bhaal only fucked the women in that one camp where gorion&friends attacked.
not the one you're talking to btw
>>332431385
Yeah, I figured that now. My party consists of Me, Shandra who I have to drag along, then all the casters I have so far (Elanee, Sand, Qara)
Fights consist of me running up and getting a swing or two in, and then them nuking everything to orbit.
What should I roll up for MotB? Are Blackguards just evil paladins, or do they add FUN? Maybe a Bard?
>>332431385
I had fun with a monk in NWN1
>>332431006
>Vic is god tier b/c she is the only NPC cleric worth a damn
except that Anomen is better in every way and also the strongest NPC, maybe next to Edwin
>>332431319
and yet his mage abilities and his fighter abilities are both watered down.
Berzerker//cleric dual is most op though kensai mage is close second, those have to be player chars though.
>>332431595
Its an OP mod cause its essentially a fighter/mage/monk with no down side that levels as a single class.
PATCH WITH SPIRIT SHAMAN FOR BG1EE WHEN?
I WANT MY NEVERENDING SUMMONS NOW NOW NOW
>>332431639
are you a masochist? monks are the shittiest class in 3.0, even pure fighter would be better
>>332431267
You don't need to play vanilla NWN2 for MotB.
Also, pick a mage class. Always pick a mage class, no exceptions. I have no idea why anyone would NOT play as a mage in a D&D game.
>>332431428
>vanilla superior
>EE are pointless
It's the other way around you doofus. There's no reason to buy vanilla BG anymore now that EEs been patched.
>>332419350
Ha, ye're a queer fellow.
>>332431006
Agreed
No, Aerie is top tier. Stats means jack shit. Cleric-Mage is one of the best combo.
Vic is decent at best, singleclass cleric is frailer that Fighter Dual class, has less martial abilities for basically being 60k xp ahead. She also cannot wear normal plate without strenght boosting items that would benefit more to other characters. Anomen is irrefutably a better character than viconia outside personality.
Haer Dalis is indeed average if you don't abuse the free movement ring + spin to make him un-hittable.
Agreed
>>332431746
>zerker/cleric better than kensage
Not even.
>>332431765
it's already up anon, you just need to sing up for the beta on steam
>>332431813
The reason I didn't go mage is because I didn't want half the fight to be buffing, or throwing off a couple spells before getting one shot by some trash
With that, I'll reconsider though. Which magic class is the most FUN
>>332431754
No, you're an idiot. They're a fucking Sorceror. They don't get any extra attacks and give up significant spellcasting for abilities that either pointless or already able to be duplicated with spells.
>>332431982
Wizard, always wizard.
MotB you can get some extra subclasses for it, which you can pick either of.
>>332431006
>Vic is god tier b/c she is the only NPC cleric worth a damn
Anomen is a better cleric than Vic.
>>332431813
>I have no idea why anyone would NOT play as a mage in a D&D game.
For fun, mostly. Me and my buddies have played our fair share of 3.5 campaigns and it's just more enjoyable for everyone when it isn't one fuckboy stealing the spotlight and dumpstering everything.
>>332431657
anomen is mediocre in melee and you have to do his quest line to get his wisdom past 12.
Vic has natural spell immunity, high wisdom and better AC. She isn't meant to fight on the front line and if you use her that way you're just doing it wrong. She is a better cleric hands down. There is no way you can say anomen is god tier mate.
>>332431473
>I don't know what a Sorcerer is and never played DnD please rape my face
>>332432008
>give up significant spellcasting
1 spell per day is not significant. However being able to claw shit for 2d4 at first level and having higher AC is OP as fuck.
>>332431302
Again, he had no clue about the Bhaal Spawn essence until you get him in ToB. He even says so himself.
>>332431982
>Which magic class is the most FUN
Cleric, Druid, Bard, take your pick.
>>332431754
Except for the fact mages are stuck with a SINGLE apr forever.
And shitty as fuck thac0
And the shitty 1 spell loss per day thus making you cast almost the same as a wizard
And d6 with just +2 from con is still shitty hp for a frontliner unless you are one of the retards that reloads until he gets max hp/level
>>332431813
>I have no idea why anyone would NOT play as a mage in a D&D game.
Because they are usually shit in d&d crpgs as opposed to the gods they are in pnp?
And because resting every encounter greatly breaks immersion/roleplaying?
And because a simple fireball/cloudkill/sleep wand can already do anything a low-mid level mage can?
And because a dual wielding fighter with improved haste deals far more damage than you while also not needing one gorillion buffs not to poof away from 1 hit, while archers are kings in BG1?
Mages are nothing special in BG1&2. By the time you get really good ToB has already started and by then even a fucking thief can be good
>>332430253
Why the fuck do you get so mad at someone not enjoying Beamdog's crap?
>>332431908
>D&D
>Stats means jack shit
wot?
>>332432216
1 spell per day per level. It is significant. They lose the advantage of being sorcerers, that is a large number of spell usages
>>332432216
Anon, sorcerers can't learn spells from scrolls.
They are limited to spells they gain from picking when leveling up.
>>332431813
not him but there's no real reason to buy EE either.
what did the EEs add? that shit arena thing,4 bad npc's+their quests and a few spells?
