Seriously, why do people consider IX to be the best in the series? It didn't click with me the way VII or VIII did. All I got was furry shit with slow pacing and combat.
It objectively has the best soundtrack, but unfortunately it takes literally forever to get around which kills it.
>>332406803
>>332406803
It's mediocre but still not complete unadultered shit like VIII.
>>332406803
>he unironically likes VIII
Let me guess, it was your first FF right?
>>332407821
Wrong. FFX was my first, and I don't even like that game. My favorite happens to be FFXII. I just don't understand how this game is supposed the best in the series.
>>332406803
Music and the Job System are my favourite things about the Final Fantasy series, and VII and VIII only had half of that.
>>332406803
>didn't click with me the way VII or VIII did
Oh yes, those sophisticated characters and deep plot! Sure clicked with mewhen I was 10.
>>332408072
It's the one that Sakaguchi and Uematsu consider the magnum opus of the series.
>>332406803
>furry shit
if that's all you see in it, then you're retarded which would also explain why you don't like the game
>>332408295
I dunno, the saiyan shit kind of pissed me off too
>>332407821
>edgy FFVII fanboy detected
FFVIII's original title was Based As Fuck: The Game, but square decided to brand it a Final Fantasy so edgy, faggot contrarians like you would buy and play it.
>implying anyone could fuck with Lion Heart
>implying Squall and Laguna aren't the bro-est father/son combo in gaming unlike edgelord Jeckt and his queerboy twink of a son
>being this mad
>suffering from this much envy
>IX
>comfiest FF
>great music and graphics if you can handle jaggies
>linear as fuck
>not a lot of character customization
>abilities linked to items, meaning if you miss a steal, you might not get equipment OR the ability
>slow as fuck battle intros
>>332408113
Fuck off furfag
>>332406803
Because the people that like it started with games prior to ff7
Ff9 is supposed to be a callback to older jrpgs
>>332408429
>anyone who dislikes VIII is a VII fanboy
Or maybe VIII just isn't a very good game to begin with,.
>implying Squall and Laguna aren't the bro-est father/son combo in gaming unlike edgelord Jeckt and his queerboy twink of a son
I wouldn't want my son to turn out to be some whiny angsty crybaby piece of shit who dresses like a Hot Topic reject either though.
>being this mad
>suffering from this much envy
Are you okay dude? You seem to be projecting real hard.
>>332406803
XI was ok. Nojima was a better writer, and the characters were better in VII and VIII. Also no tails.
>>332406942
13 has the best soundtrack. Unfortunately for the game that was the only thing it had going for it.
>>332406803
>somebody at Square took a look at Quina, Freya and Amarant and thought they were good enough characters to put in the party.
>>332408678
>Nojima was a better writer
I bet you loved Advent Children too, right faggot?
>>332406803
It's the "unappreciated" game that prides itself for apparently returning to it's roots
FF9 fags get to feel like they are oldfags that appreciate the retro style because muh roots and have a little bit of added hipster flavor because it is not the obvious choice to choose for a favorite FF
They won't admit it so when they are asked to justify why they just say "but Sakaguchi or Uematsu said x so it must be true"
>>332408631
>being in this much denial
>probably still lives with mommy
>likely weighs 300+lbs
It's okay dude. I won't judge you
I love the game. Dont really care about furries or people that hate it. None of that changes things for me.
>>332408759
Kingdom Hearts counter example to one of the few bad things Nojima was a part of
>>332408730
>13 has the best soundtrack
Just because you keep posting this in every FF thread doesn't make it true
>>332408849
Dance my little puppet dance
>>332408890
To be fair that was mostly Nomura's fault.
>>332408532
>Ff9 is supposed to be a callback to older jrpgs
Stop using this meme already. There's nothing about 9 which is a callback.
>>332408916
At least my weight physically allows me to dance
it has my favorite prerendered backgrounds and architechture of any FF, that's the most important aspect for me (for FF anyways)
>>332409067
Keep dancing
>>332409052
>medieval setting
>ff jobs for each character
>fighting literal god at the end that never showed up before
Pretty sure it was m8
>>332408735
At least it's better than this main character.
>>332409052
It is totally a callback
It's medieval and shit and sometimes it has similar names to other stuff like Garland and Sarah
You just don't appreciate it because you are most likely an underage VIII fag
>>332408805
>returning to it's roots
Old FF games had human worlds and characters, with demihumans here and there. FF9 is a complete reverse of that.
>>332408429
Both 7 and 8 are great games, you greasy fuck.
FF9 was the Wind Waker of Final Fantasy - the game in the series that had the best design, the most memorable art, and the most charm, but didn't get the recognition it deserved because a certain portion of the public thought it was too childish.
Because of that, it has a lot of good will from fans and holds a special place in people's hearts. In many ways FF9 was the last, and best, true Final Fantasy game.
>>332409378
So would that make FF10 the Twilight Princess?
>>332409378
Saying that FF9 is like Wind Waker implies that FF9 must be good, which it isn't
>>332409350
>Both 7 and 8 are great games, you greasy fuck.
7 is mediocre at best and 8 is rancid dogshit.
>>332409153
>he says as he strokes his 1" half flaccid member in rhythm to his favorite song, "One Winged Angel" while simultaneously mouthing the lyrics under his rancid once a week brushed breath.
>>332408735
>talking shit about Freya
you wanna fight, mate?
>>332409636
Keep dancing
>>332409378
>the best design, the most memorable art
You must be a furfag.
>>332409559
You're right, it isn't good. It's great.
As someone who has a developed appreciation for every game in the series (yes including II, VIII, and XIII), I would not say IX is the best in the series.
I'm conflicted on which I think is absolutely best, but I find FFV (GBA remaster), FFXII (International Zodiac Job System version), and FFXIII-2 all contend for the best in the series, with each being absolutely fantastic experiences.
>>332408735
Quina was meant to be filler party member from the start
Don't talk shit about Freya
Something definitely happened with Amarant when developing, I won't deny that
>>332409803
How does the Zodiac Job System improve the game?
>dissing a fantasy game for having fantasy races
>previous games also had various fantasy races
Would you have preferred another Lord of the Rings copy and paste?
>>332408907
>only one person can have the same opinion
Fur Fantasy IX
>>332409350
I'm just saying the argument that they always use to defend FF9. I really don't see the whole roots shit that everyone says either since it is very superficial stuff or why it should be used as an objective positive
>>332409885
No they prefer Final Fantasy to have nothing but emo twinks wearing belts in retarded places.
>>332409673
>liking dirty disgusting rat people
Yuk
>>332409885
>previous games also had various fantasy races
No.
>>332409052
>Garland
>Black mages
>Chibi-styled
>Characters are class-themed
>Classic flying airships
>Medieval steampunk style
>Final boss out of nowhere
>Fours lords of the elements
I'm probably missing a few here.
>>332409738
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSXj_FjjMAw
>Veni, veni, venias,
>Ne me mori facias
>Veni, veni, venias,
>Ne me mori facias
>Sephiroth
>Sephiroth
>>332410108
Keep dancing
>>332409885
Yeah, amazing and developed races with many particular traits
How was this one called again?
>>332410020
Yes - check again.
>>332409885
There are good fantasy races, and shit fantasy races like the rat people and whatever the fuck Quina was.
>>332409867
Characters are less clones of each other because they get locked into jobs. Gives you a whole lot more reason to swap between characters on the fly and not just use the same 3 goofs all game forever. The limitation adds spice to the combat.
>>332410006
>judging character by the looks instead of personality and development
[Insert classic book cover reference here]
>>332410283
A race isn't "shit" just because you don't think something is cool enough. That type of mentality is what leads to shit like FF13.
The game was meant to appeal to the older fans, the ones who have played since 1, or even 4. Not only does it go back to the classic FF style, it also has plenty of references to the past games.
I ignored 9 for a long time until recently. The game turned out to be great, it felt like Squaresoft's final and ultimate product of the classics, like some kind of farewell gift.
>>332410032
>Chibi-styled
Are you retarded? old games had full grown adults, they weren't chibi. Console limitations aside.
The rest is just as much bullshit.
>>332406803
They don't. But it is one of the best for sure.
>>332410521
You're embarrassing yourself.
>>332410279
How about you name them instead.
>>332410301
Does it still have the combat that plays itself though? And does the license board still require me to grind to wear a hat?
>>332410691
Yes and yes. All it does is allow you to pick a job for each character.
>>332410521
Of course older games looked like that because of console limitations, but that's not the point, retard. In FF IX they chose that style so it looked more like the older games. It's not that hard of a concept. Nice arguments there, though.
>>332408429
>queerboy twink of a son
But Tidus wanted in on the pussy since he first saw it. Unlike Squall who kept refusing a girl who wanted his cock badly. Sounds like Squall is more of a queerboy than Tidus.
Daily reminder that Burmecia is the comfiest town with based as fuck music.
Haven for pluviophiles
>>332410672
Elves, dwarves and midgets are a few from the top of my head.
>dat soundtrack
Still the comfiest FF game ever made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVI6gnJWlr0
>>332410864
>comfiest town
>not Dali
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKGnfiwR2E
>>332410672
Knock yourself out champ
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Races
>>332410864
>comfy
literally not, it's depressing
especially when you see the signs that the massacre happened recently
>>332410691
>grind
how in he fuck are you grinding in ff12? unless you actively run from battles all the time you will always have enough points to unlock shit.
>>332410803
>dat superficial """"""callback""""""""
It didn't felt like I was playing 4/5/6. Whole callback is just a bullshit meme from furshitters.
>>332410465
>>332408532
>>332410032
I'm really tired of this lame almost copy pasted response for not actually giving any positives about the game
It's always just pointing at older games and that is the only reason
>>332411065
Is that meant to be the Scorpio sign? Or was it Virgo?
>>332410867
>>332410998
>dodging the subject
Name me non-human main cast/companions of previous games or fuck off.
>>332406803
Not only is the best, it's the only FF.
> Actual fantasy setting
> Final game with the original team
> Omage to all classic games that came before
> Final game of the PS1 era
Aditionally
> Class system
> Better cast than both VII and VIII
> The important characters where all better developed (Zidane, Vivi, Steiner, Sarah)
> The Villian was actually quite human and not a generic hack like Sephiroth. (Even Ultimecia is better than Sephiroth)
> Beatrix
> Most mini games where actually fun and not a chore
> Ozma is one sick son of a bitch
> Eidolons are an integral part of the world as opposed to just materia...
While gameplay is a bit slow and there is no science on the ability system and you can grind your way out there is actually a tactical element on FF IX when it comes to improving elemental defense or status attacks so it's cool.
>>332408429
>n-no it's the best game ever my childhood totally did not suck even when my daddy left me because I act just like Squall all the time!
>>332411201
Actually, I've only played the game a month ago, without having read such responses about it. I came to that verdict on my own.
Perhaps you yourself haven't played the game enough to respect such an opinion, nor have the same video game experience as those people?
>>332406942
>It objectively has the best soundtrack
That's not V or VIII.
>>332411235
>previous games had various races
>no
>Yes - check again
>How about you name them instead
>Here's a fucking list of all the names of the various races from the series
>lol no you're dodging the subject
You seriously accuse me of dodging the subject while you move the goalpost?
>haven't played the game for 12 years
>finally decide to replay it
>mfw theme starts playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW3QK6CTg2g
>>332410963
Lots of people say Dali but I could just never get down with it. I don't know why. Maybe it was the turncoat innkeeper of the creepy underground factory but something just never sat right. I don't know what but I could never get fully comfy there.
>>332406803
Because FF9 was a passion project made in kind of a short time a pretty small budget all things considered especially when it comes to final fantasy.
So because of that it was made for more of a niche audience who is into the same things more or less the lead devs were and not as general audiences as all the other mainline final fantasy games.
FF9 is pretty much an acquired tastes that either just clicks or not if one over time.has acquired that taste
>>332411568
I can understand VIII (even if the rest of the game sucks) but V?
>both Sakaguchi and Uematsu said FF9 is their favorite game
>people still debating its quality
>>332411809
Agreed.
V is actually my favorite game, but I'd put VI's soundtrack over it
>>332411710
So you can't name any non-human main cast/companions from old games? ok
>>332411915
they're japanese, it resonates with their souls
pasty white boys just frontin
>>332411058
There's no comfier in all of vidya if you love the rain
>>332411115
http://www.ign.com/articles/2000/04/06/interview-with-hironobu-sakaguchi
So you don't have to read the whole thing, here's Sakaguchi's comment about FF IX before it was released:
>This title (currently under development) is based on a reflection of all the previous works in the series.
comfy well paced, not too hard but challenges exist if you want em.
you don't get to call this linear when X follows it either.
wouldn't say best in the series, but I cannot understand people who -hate- this game. even anti furfags isn't an excuse, freya is based, and what exactly the fuck do you think moggles are? don't hear any complains about 7 because chocobos.
>>332411915
Because they're not Tetsuya Nomura.
PC release fucking when? Its already been over 3 months since the mobile version came out and we don't even have a release date. SE better get their shit together.
>>332411809
Yes, V.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4doLjMhSNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHqVITzDKGI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIcXrAelgMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eomZGqO7YNk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GthCeJ9TrQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsPnguilm1M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEAx5zkMF_0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuizMqRsTpY
And of course, can't forget the main theme song of the character that was so amazing that they included him in over half the games that came since:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0JnXdfoYpY
>>332410691
That's the most hollow bitching I've ever heard about the game. You have to set up gambits that the AI follows, then manage them as the game progresses.
Literally nobody complained when Dragon Age: Origins copied the system wholesale.
>>332412202
I'm kinda surprised so very few people that played the mobile version have said anything about it.
>>332411521
I have played all the numbered FF games and the very first game I played was actually FF1 on NES
When I played FF9 I felt nothing of the whole "callback to us oldfag gamers". It is just a kinda medieval setting with maybe one or two names you might associate with older games and I felt the same way when I replayed it
It's just superficial and a cop out for not actually giving positives
OP here again. After reading some of the level headed responses ITT, I think I'll give this game another chance. I'll boot it up on my PSP.
9 reminded me of 4 a whole lot which is why I dislike it so much. I would have rather had a lighter story and a job system like 5 than what we got.
XIII-2 has the best soundtrack
>>332412359
I just hope it does well because back in the day it was basically seen as a childish fantasy game with weird art style that had to follow up on 7 and 8's highly technological settings. Times have changed in the last 15 years.
>>332412550
It's a good game. The only complaint I have is the combat is way too low. Even with Haste on and combat speed maxed, it's still slower than any of the other games.
>>332411983
>lol you're wrong im right closing my ears now lalalalalala!
Nah fuck it. I bet you're some millennial who only played two entries of the series and thinks he's some expert. You're just going to ignore my proof while now moving the goalpost to include playable characters only like Fran, Kimahri, Freya, Quina, RedXIII, Umaro, Mog, the Lunarians, etc
There is more than enough proof of the various races in the past games and I got fuck'ol to prove to you, mate. Live in denial all you like.
>>332412685
...and let's not forget the battle intro that takes FOREVER.
>>332411983
Umaro and Moogle.
>>332410842
>muh dad
>>332412479
Pretty much this except I started out at 4th. All this callback to old games is just a bullshit meme.
>>332412687
>ask for playable non-humans in old games
>receive some bullshit whining
>throwing millennial buzzword, not knowing what it means
You're done, kid.
>>332412479
>I didn't feel it, therefore it didn't happen
http://www.ign.com/articles/2000/04/06/interview-with-hironobu-sakaguchi
http://www.angelfire.com/anime/ff9realm/news1.html
I don't know where the "for not giving positives" idea comes from. The game is a great game and has a lot of good things in it, but it was also designed with the idea of nostalgia for the older games.
>Arguing about beast races
Fucking really?
If anything, you should be mad at how shit Kimahri and Fran are in battle.
>>332412687
>Millennial
There goes people throwing it around again as if they think they know what it means.
>>332413047
>>ask for playable non-humans in old games
pinpoint the EXACT place you asked for names of playable non-human characters in this thread
good luck, toddler
>>332413171
pretty much anybody born past the year 1995
>>332412687
>millennial
You are either too old or too young for this website. Either way you are pathetic.
because it's SO CHARMING and also the 'underdog' of the PS1 trilogy
in all honesty it's got terrible combat, tons of loading, a subpar soundtrack, and a stupid (even by FF standards) story.
>>332406942
>best soundtrack
Aside from the town themes the music is dogshit.
the battle music in particular is absolute garbage, some of the worst in the franchise, and most of the game is spent battling due to how slow and shitty the combat is.
if not for X-2 I'd say IX has the worst music in the series overall.
>>332413348
wells that totally fucking wrong, its goes all the way back to 82, ya shit.
>>332413348
>1995
Millennials are from 1980 to 2000, you fucking idiot.
>>332413259
Follow the posts, moron.
>>332413348
Millennials (also known as the Millennial Generation[1] or Generation Y) are the demographic cohort following Generation X. There are no precise dates for when the generation starts and ends; most researchers and commentators use birth years ranging from the early 1980s to around 2000.
>>332411983
Fusoya
Terra
Mog
Umaro
Red XIII
>>332413725
Don't forger Rydia, summoners are their own race and not to be considered the same as humans.
V>VII>IV>VI>III>X>VIII>I>XII>IX>XIII>II
objective fact
>>332410864
Wut? You are literally walking around in the Nanking massacre
>>332413105
Again, that is exactly what I'm talking about with the "Sakaguchi said this" or "it's a callback to old gamers"
Every time
Do you also agree with everything that Toriyama said about Lightning or her games being the greatest thing just because one of the heads of the game said so?
>>332411763
>>332411915
>>332412064
>>332410465
>>332408242
>>332408532
Do these posts look like positives to you? It's the average post you see not just in this thread but in most threads where they refer to FF9 and it's just the same "argument" of Sakaguchi/Uematsu said this or callback to old games
>>332413897
>VIII better than anything except XIII
Whatever.
>>332406803
I like FF9 but I like 8 better
>>332414191
VIII is only worse than VI and VII and better than the rest.
>>332413897
I don't know why people love V so much. The characters are unrelatable and do or say the stupidest things, the plot is retarded, the job system is broken and annoying, the visuals sit uncomfortably between the old-school style of FFIV and the additional detail of FFVI, and the soundtrack is relatively weak apart from a few standouts.
It's not a bad RPG, but I don't see what gives it such golden appeal.
>>332414191
great music
great visuals
gameplay is hilariously broken which actually makes it fun, plus the battle system itself is fast and responsive aside from drawing
Triple motherfucking Triad
and finally my favorite part, the story. It's so fucking bad it ends up being constantly hilarious and entertaining. It's like a video game version of The Room only it's 50 hours long and not just 2.
as for XIII, XIII is awful but is still 50 times better than II, which is so fucking shitty it is borderline unplayable.
>>332414484
job system is best system, that's why
>>332414709
FFIII has that too and I found it to be way more charming.
Well fuck you fegs I'm starting VIII
>>332414127
So... what you are saying is that just because the writer of the game said that he got the ideas and concepts from older games because he wanted to make it feel like older games isn't proof that the game tried to be a callback to older games?
Well, ok. I sincerely can't counterargue that.
Also: yes, they look positive to me. I don't really know what definition of positive are you looking for that you don't find it in those posts.
>>332414858
but FFIII has the garbage Crystal Tower at the end that forces you to grind forever to have any hope of beating the garbage boss rush, and the jobs themselves are way less fleshed out and the gameplay is outright less complex.
>>332413725
>>332413849
I wouldn't count RedXIII since it's not really old FF game compared to IX. Summoners being another race is iffy tho, but I concede the rest. In any case it's not much compared to IX's nonhuman count.
>>332414861
>you couldn't give her the D, even though she was begging for it
Crime against humanity.
>>332408730
The most wrong opinion on the Internet
>>332414958
I enjoyed just playing FFIII up to the final dungeon and didn't give a shit about the very end for that reason. I did that with FFIX too, coincidentally. Neither game has enough payoff (plot-wise or for the satisfaction) for the effort.
The gameplay is just NES FF, and I grew up on the original game so that's fine. I played a translation of the original instead of the DS remake because the DS version is so slow with its modern padding.
Best FF for me.
Best characters, world, soundtrack.
I also love how the story is told, how constantly you switch parties.
>>332415762
>how constantly you switch parties
Would've been better if everyone who left the party had their equipment automatically removed
>>332415706
I don't remember any of it except the title screen and battle theme (which are both pretty great).
I enjoy this chiptune mix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Mv_uQzBaA
>>332414909
The intention of the writer is not what matters. I'm sure almost every single writer in the world or artist means their work to be fantastic and really enjoyable but it isn't always this way. If we always judged stuff on what they say they tried to be instead of what they ended up being then almost everything would be a masterpiece
What matters is the execution and I thought that it was poorly executed because, like I said before, it's just shallow and superficial since it's just a somewhat similar kind of medieval with some names thrown in there as to fill some kind of quota of references
I don't think those posts are positives because saying "this thing tries to be just like this thing" is not an objective positive by any means and doesn't really tell me anything of it's quality, just that it tries to be like another thing
>>332406803
I think 6 is the best in the series, 9 comes near but has some issues later in the game involving character arcs being dropped and the game feeling incomplete
1 would be close if it didn't have such shit balance, 2 would be close if it wasn't so linear, and 10 is actually better than 9 but not as good as 6 because HAHAHA and other awkward or retarded shit.
I really like 8 despite the flaws. The characters are kind of one sided and boring and the story might be wank, but the locations are cool as shit and combined with the stellar OST it's excellent. I also like the junction system just because you can break it so damn easily refining cards. Triple Triad is also great so getting the good cards doesn't feel like a pain in the ass.
>>332416730
>II
>linear
II is the most open-ended game of the series behind XII
it's just that everything about it is absolute dogshit other than the music and story
>>332409350
Final fantasy one had fucking dragon people in it you dumb nigger
>>332417108
I'm talking about Murikan 2, which is like 5 in nipponese numbering or something? Cecil/kain/etc
>>332417108
Too bad that the world map in 2 is probably the most barren one in the series
>Terrible cast
>Forgettable characters and hideous designs, many of them blatant furbait
>Slow combat even slower than the SNES FFs
>Less customisation than previous FFs
>Claims to be a throwback to older FFs when it isn't at all and doesn't resemble them in any way and the older FFs did what people claim this game does far better
>>332417197
when talking about the series, talk about the whole series, cuck.
>>332417121
>>332417219
Who the fuck cares about 1, 2 or 3? those games were shit. Maybe they were improved with remastered, dunno, but the fact is FF is only good from 4-5.
>>332417265
I like those designs, though.
They remind me of old storybooks and cartoons.
Fucking love this game
>>332418204
Huh. Guess my camera can't figure out orientation anymore...
>>332410864
anon kun you may be a sociopath....
>>332418204
Your eyes are gonna get all fucked up from that tiny screen.
The creators of Final Fantasy consider 9 to be the best. So do I. End of discussion.
>>332418451
Screen is huge anon
>>332418593
Oh shit, I didn't notice that it was a Blackberry.
>worst battle system
by default this makes it not the best Final Fantasy
>>332408389
Trance system is one of the universally disliked things about IX, even among people who love the game and count it as their favorite FF. The problem is that you have no choice when to use it so it often happens at the most inopportune times, such as during a fight with random weak enemies and one of them tickles you enough to trigger it or at the end of a fight so you get maybe one attack out of it. It should have been implemented the same way limit breaks usually were where once the meter fills, activating trance replaces your standard attack so you could store it until a boss or something.
