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Did he do the right thing?
>>332395895
Play the fucking game.
If you already played it but you don't remember it's not a fake evidence, then play the game again.
>>332396025
>it's not a fake evidence
It literally is.
He used forged evidence to convict Kristoph.
Yes. Kristoph couldn't have proved the card was forged without dragging himself into even further shit by admitting he had taken the real bloody card. A major theme of the game was that sometimes the perfect proof does not exist for one reason or another, and Phoenix devised ways to make sure Kristoph wouldn't get away despite that, first with the forged evidence and then with the jury system.
DD then went all "the end doesn't justify the means" and completely missed the point established in 4, but to be fair no other game in the series before or after 4 tried to challenge its views legitimately.
>>332396114
>no other game in the series before or after 4 tried to challenge its views legitimately.
Have you already forgotten about 1-5 and the whole deal with Gant using forged evidence to get Joe Darke convicted?
>>332396316
But didn't he only do that so he could blackmail Lana?
>>332396512
No, he blackmailed Lana by killing Neils and making it look like Ema did it (for Lana). Gant's plan was to pin the blame on Darke and get him convicted, so he also forged some evidence for Edgeworth to prosecute him.
>>332396114
Phoenix was lying.
It's not forged evidence, it's the card from years ago
Jog my memory for a bit but did Phoenix ever unlock Kristoph's black Psyche Locks?
>>332397604
Nope.
>>332396316
currently replaying through PW and now I just started 1-5.
1-4 was quite the ride, can't wait for shit to get hyped on this last case.
>>332396025
Nigga it's forged
he literally forged evidence despite being disbarred for it
>>332396114
>DD then went all "the end doesn't justify the means"
Really fucking hate this tbqh.
They backpedaled so hard and tried to make Phoenix look like the pure, noble, never do wrong attorney who always wins clean.
>>332397539
There is no "card from years ago", what are you thinking about? Phoenix began playing poker sometime after being disbarred, but there were no incidents until the one which triggered the first case.
>>332397604
There was no explanation for those in AJ.
DD had black psyche locks too but they explained them in a way that doesn't fit Kristoph's case at all.
>>332397604
>>332400165
Yeah, the black locks in 4 were clearly intended as an extension of the theme of perfect evidence not always existing. Kristoph knew Phoenix couldn't possibly have a way to prove he killed Drew Misham using legitimate evidence, so his conviction about not confessing was absolute. In 5, they are instead defined as secrets the bearer is consciously unaware of.
>>332400165
>>332400367
that was a huge load of bullshit.
You mean to tell me that during a whole year, Phoenix NEVER bothered to ever ask Pearl or Maya what was up with those black locks he saw?
No, it wasn't until Athena got them that he IMMEDIATELY needed to know what the fuck was up with them
>>332395895
Phoenix did nothing wrong
>>332400612
It was intentional so that DD would have less references to AJ.
>>332395895
He wasn't an attorney, so he could do whatever the fuck he wanted.
>>332400704
Phoenix did nothingWright
he was right to get punched in the face
>>332400845
Why did Gamrayare try to murder his daughter's adopted father just because he beat him in a card game?
>>332396025
it wasn't fake the first time, but it was the second one
>>332401045
Because he was an inbred. (So is Trucy btw)
>>332401045
Logic and Reason are superpowers in the world of Ace Attorney
>>332401136
Trucy is about to be double inbred if you know what I mean
Unless Wright comes in with a last minute objection
>>332401045
He didn't. He threw a rage and knocked out Olga. He never tried to kill anyone.
>>332395895
Literally nothing about this AA game was memorable to me.
>>332399717
The point of DD as a whole was to try to make the series have SOME hope left in it since literally every single other game (AA through AJ) had forgery, coaching, lying under oath, mass judicial and political corruption, extortion, blackmail, abuse of discretion, and legalized corruption... all by people who hold power within the system.
And it's not like DD turned Phoenix into some goody2shoes either, he just wanted to save people the honest way like he and Miles agreed on all those years ago. It's better to change the system from the inside rather than becoming a demon yourself.
Of course I think DD should've touched more on what went on in AJ, but then again I heard AJ was basically funded by Japan for their brief tenure with the jury system that was scrapped anyways.
why does it look so shit bros
>>332404379
He played college ball you know.
>>332404379
There's just one other difference between you and me that I forgot to mention
I LIFT
>>332404379
fuck my life
the VA for phoenix doesn't fit him at all
they should have hired the one who voiced Phoenix here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqZOzoSEQa4
Wouldn't know im still on T&Ts last trail
>>332404379
Holy SHIT, Phoenix keeps getting buffer
>>332404379
tfw you know it's gonna be shit but you're gonna watch it anyway since you love the series
it'll be interesting to watch Phoenix solving all the cases you always felt you solved together
>>332400367
Technically, you still broke the fuck out of anything Kristoph had when you proved him the second time in court, and if that wasn't enough, remember the part where Apollo tells Kristoph who's the person that came up with the idea of using the Jurist System for Vera Misham's case
>>332404379
Damn so that's how he bashed opened that door in T&T
>>332404379
Don't FUCK with this attorney!
>>332404379
Huh, so this is the new JoJo anime people were talking about.
>>332396316
1-5 is a 4 prequel and was released way after 3.
>>332405428
1-5 was still released before 4, dumbfuck
>>332405198
Objections, son
>>332404379
I only want one thing from the anime. No, I NEED it.
Slice of life. I need slice of life in Ace Attorney. The games seriously lack a lot of this.
who cares, it was a shit game.
even AAI was better
>>332404379
Is that Clark Kent?
>>332405678
DELETE THIS!
Maya is pure!!!
>>332405510
But it was made with 4 in mind as a tease, that's why they had the same theme.
I always hated Maya and was pleased to find out that she isn't in 4 and 5
>>332406078
MODS
When can I expect best prosecutor to come back?
>>332406069
Hated Maya as well, but no Maya meant no Mia. It's a worthwhile sacrifice to get Mia some screentime.
>>332406069
damn that looks bad in hd
>Sexualizing the Ace Attorneys
Sick.
>>332406468
When can I expect best girl to come back?
>>332406586
Ema>Maya
>>332406829
Kay > Maya > Ema
>>332406829
Maya? Sure
Mia? My penis strongly disagrees.
>>332406819
but she is
>>332406919
>Kay above anybody
Disappear Heathen
>>332406819
>ema will never be a loli again
wasted potential
>>332406731
They removed a bunch of the frames for some reason.
>>332395895
>all thIs potential character development for Nick in AJ was wasted
Fucking why?
I'm a bad lawyer
>>332406829
Mah nigga
>>332407369
Because Japan hates hobo Ryuuchi.
>>332404297
Lost Turnabout gave us best girl. Fuck your shit.
>>332407880
go to bed gumshoe
>>332407789
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1e1EFqVIj4
;_;
>>332404297
>Turnabout reclaimed
Which one was this from again? I don't remember it.
>>332408164
DD DLC case
>>332408164
dlc for dual destinies iirc
had an orca and a buff rapper
>>332407789
>Kay with all of her memories gone is a better Kay than original Kay
I agree, too bad she's only in one case. Still not best girl though but she's up there
>>332397683
1-5 was made separately from 1-1 through 1-4 and wasn't part of the original japanese release on gba
however 1-5 is still a decent case
>>332408318
that Mia is so awful
>>332404297
Post the OTHER list
>>332404297
>Farewell, My Turnabout
Fuck me if that wasn't the hardest choice I've ever had to make in a video game
>>332408550
the best choice is not guilty
>>332408605
Thanks anon gets me every time
>>332408681
Ah shit, that's a great breakdown. I chose Guilty though. I had to see justice done.
Did he do the right thing?
>>332408681
First decision = Guilty
Second decision = Not Guilty
Anything else is for plebs.
>>332395895
I remember i played these games on a emulator like 2 years ago, but i never finished it.
I came to the game where there was this guy with laser thingy on his face.
What game was that?
>>332408918
I went with Not Guilty because everyone deserves a defense and I wanted to see him get murdered by de Killer
>>332408781
>I chose Guilty though
Fuck that, I wanted to see that son of a bitch squirm
>>332408978
the third one, Trials and Tribulations.
>>332408318
sauce? reverse search is giving nothing
>>332408987
I meant the first and second choice, if it wasn't clear.
You have to decide the first time, and then when it all gets cleared up and Maya is free you get to decide again.
I went with guilty the first time because Maya said she wouldn't forgive me.
I went with not guilty the second time because De Killer.
>>332409109
Okay, thanks man.
Think im gonna start playing it again
>>332409201
it's a jigglygirls pic, search that and ace attorney
>>332409365
Thanks buddy.
>>332408781
I don't think I've ever seen the dialogue if you choose Guilty there. Is it very different?
>>332409248
Oh, right, I was thinking first and second playthrough for some reason. Yeah, in that case, I fully agree.
>>332409301
No problem, now leave the thread before somebody spoils you.
>>332409201
http://hentai-wallpapers.com/Hentai-wallpapers/Unsorted/Ace-Attorney-Ema-Skye-Franziska-von-Karma-Mia-Fey-Reiq-267182p.html
>>332409438
It's a game over state, phoenix leaves in shame and is never seen again.
>>332409301
Ray is the Mastermind
>>332409301
It isn't coffeeIt's tea
>>332409593
I know Nicholas Cage Babby, it's bullshit, I agree.
>>332409630
It's Pepsi Cola ©
Best song
https://youtu.be/lSbV5SyYnwY?list=PL6akIKaXBeU2DOHHC9iMdOJxFTySBAspG
>>332409529
>>332409593
>>332409756
You're thinking of the wrong time - the webm shows the end of the case where the choice doesn't matter. The Guilty option there is just a little less malicious on Phoenix's part
Has anyone in the series been BTFO more than this guy?
>>332410027
Larry.
>>332410027
yes
three separate times, one when she was already fucking dead
>>332408987
>everyone deserves a defense
But Matt was a giant douchebag who broke the trust of both Phoenix and De Killer.
Not to mention the fact he had De Killer hold Maya hostage.
If you hold your lawyer's friends/family hostage you shouldn't be surprised if they turn on you after all is said and done.
I know Phoenix wouldn't have taken his case otherwise, but I'm sure there's a good Kristoph tier lawyer he could have found who didn't care.
>>332410027
>you're not needed anymore
Savage
Klavier literally gives 0 shits
>>332410143
honestly the "Not Guilty" choice feels like more of a revenge than the "Guilty" one there
>>332409759
The worst thing about this image is how suggestive Pearls is on Phoenix.
Phoenix can't consent while drunk.
How did this ever get allowed in our civilised country?
Must be those dirty asians.
>>332409987
thank you for giving me the answer I was looking for
>>332409924
actual best song coming through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXPuUse0P8c
>>332410027
no. Completely and utterly btfo
>>332410140
Only two times, she got away with it the first time, no matter how close Mia got
>>332410284
>>332409924
You're both wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cofz_YxBXa0
>>332410217
>>332410143
>>332408987
It makes no sense to pick Guilty though.
When you do, he just goes "me? guilty?!" and then goes scratching and shouting guilty anyway.
Not Guilty is best because you force the faggot to plead for a guilty, despise receiving the not guilty he wanted so much
Also >implying De Killer couldn't get into the prison anyway and kill him
>>332406069
>tfw decided to get the CIA for the 3DS Trilogy
>those garbage HD sprites
Better than iOS, yes, but holy shit I think I'll just stick to the DS versions
>>332410217
It is, but I was only referring to the logic of Matt deserving a defense.
>>332410338
Online is so much fun
I love spamming the pickle before cases
>>332410416
But I agree with that, see >>332410442
>>332410416
Not guilty is more fun.
Guilty is the straight laced canon answer.
>>332410027
He's one of the greatest lawyers of all time and I shouldn't been caught in the first place. Phoenix Wright is just a low-tier lawyer that got lucky a few times, but in reality, is just an incompetent fool.
I was really fucking upset. Even though I knew I was supposed to lose I didn't expect it to be like this
>>332409248
Thematically it's better to choose guilty, but fuck if I don't love the "as always, the defense pleads not guilty!" line right befor the breakdown. Smug Phoenix best Phoenix, especially after all the shit Engarde puts him through.
>>332410731
>and I shouldn't been caught in the first place
WE'RE COMING MOZART
>>332410731
Go to bed Kristoph
>>332410802
I keep forgetting how many moments caught me off guard in the main trilogy.
>>332410802
Little Franny probably whipped the shit out of Edgeworth after that
>>332410802
>"Thanks for the coffee"
Everytime
>>332411000
checked.
>>332411034
"What do you mean the defendant killed himself? Was you so bad you actually made him kill himself? You are a disgrace!"
>>332410802
Fawles you son of a bitch
>>332410802
One of the darkest moments for sure
>be lowkey mentally retarded
>get completely manipulated by evil gf
>framed and betrayed
>still love her because ur dumb and can't see what she's done
>die for her
>bitch walks away smiling
Thank god you already knew Dahlia was going to get caught after this, would've been too fucking infuriating otherwise.
>>332407789
She might as well be a completely different character - a better one than Kay in every single way. ... Now I wish she was like this from the very beginning.
>>332411276
But his gf wasn't evil, her twin sister was.
>>332410178
Klavier IS kind of a cunt.
>Laughs at Wocky's heart condition (which can kill him at any moment)
>makes Apollo pay for the concert tickets
>allows a kid to get arrested for a murder he knows that he shouldn't be able to commit
>doesn't care that Daryan was the murderer, suspected it even
>could've cleared Phoenix's name sooner if he told someone about Kristoph
>tells Kristoph, his brother, to gtfo
>doesn't care that Apollo almost got blown up
>mourns more for his banner than his dead mentor
I remember there being another moment where Klavier acts like a douche but I can't remember it. I swear the guy is borderline psychopathic.
>>332411357
Dahlia was "dating" Fawles though.
>>332411427
you mean sociopath.
I was expecting him to turn evil at the last moment or a surprise chapter at least.
>>332411510
Barely, most of the time it was Iris. Which explains why Fawles loved her so much, because she's a sweetheart. Dahlia only interacted with him when necessary to trick him, the actual dating was done by Iris.
>>332411427
>>could've cleared Phoenix's name sooner if he told someone about Kristoph
Why would he? He trusted his brother.
He only knew he was involved in the forgery shit when the diary came up before Vera passed out
It was the only way to prove Kristoph did it mentally
He forged it not as significant evidence but rather to show that Kristoph caring so much about you having it proves only the killer who took it would care
Similar to how he guy Furio Tigre
>>332411427
>If he told someone about Kristoph
He never knew until Vera though, Kristoph simply told him about Wright's planned forgery
>mourns about his banner than his dead mentor
Nah he still cared, he was fucking around thinking Apollo was the one who did it though, and calls him bluff when Apollo tells him it's a shame his band disbanded because he knows he hated it
>>332411658
I thought that was how it went with Phoenix, not with Fawles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdU8oqCbvzo
Can anyone beat Phoenix fucking Wright?
And I'm not talking about Apollo or Athena I'm talking about Phoenix FUCKING Wright. With his objection and pocket watch but also with his amazing ability to attract young girls to his office and still be able to present his badge as evidence in a fucking court of law while drink prune juice and defending people who try to screw themselves over or make out with the hunk that is Phoenix FUCKING Wright? Or even that Phoenix FUCKING Wright has over a decade of experience and has over 5 games worth of experience of presenting evidence, taking names and beating ass. Or maybe it's that's he just so strong that he can break down a fucking locked door, fall from great fights with nothing more than a slight cold and can make even the most bitchy of Germans fall for him.
Can anyone beat Phoenix FUCKING Wright?
I thought not.
>>332412039
She did it twice.
>>332411658
Wasn't that the case with Phoenix? I'm pretty sure Fawles was actually dating Dahlia
Iris wasn't involved in that case, it was the whole reason Dahlia hated her
>>332410802
This case was fuckin amazing for 2 reasons
>It's the complete opposite of case 1, where Mia knows Dahlia and you don't know shit, but Insead you know Dahlia and watching Mia's first experience but expecting a loss
>Fawles Suicide not only impacted Mia but Edgeworth too, neither of them actually won the case
>>332404586
I got the reference.
>>332409438
It's very different and pretty boring to be honest. "I may be your defense attorney, but I can't overlook a crime." Really meh, choosing "not guilty" and seeing a smug Phoenix is hundreds times better.
>>332404379
I'm worried how this will turn out.
It'll either be utter shit or incredibly good.tfw I like the live action movie and it got me to play the series
You know what was really difficulty to do knowingly and made a really dark atmosphere?
Being Phoenix in AJ and knowing your going to present forged evidence, like holy shit Phoenox Don't do it, but you can't stop it
>>332412143
Maybe I got it wrong, it's been a while since I played T&T
>>332412498
the animation looks like garbage and the OP sounds pretty garbage too
the only good thing we know so far is that Takumi is overseeing it
>>332412537
Dahlia calls Iris a backstabber because she didn't want to help in the diamond plot at any point
She only dated Phoenix
>>332395895
>play AJ:AA
>love the concept of Punished Phoenix
>play DD
>he's literally back to his old goody-two-shoes self from before and got his job back
They fucking ruined something that could have been great
>>332412498
The movie would've been total shit if not for Yanni Yogi. His scenes were really feels-inducing.
>>332411427
>allows a kid to get arrested for a murder he knows that he shouldn't be able to commit
Why was Turnabout Serenade so retarded? Who looked at that and thought "yeah, this passes as a case"?
>>332412878
again, it's about inner monologue
That's what made Phoenix What he is
When you play as Apollo or Athena in DD he still has the same personality
>>332412951
The tone of the movie was so vastly different from the game which was kinda a bummer.
But I guess it would be really hard to get it right from a movie perspective.
Some characters were also ruined, but at least they got a lot of the costume design and made a bit of sense how the courts worked in Japanifornia.
>>332413415
Liar Liar got the tone right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6MeUsemOCI
>>332413645
who the fuck was that? or what was that?
spirit of justice?
>>332411427
>doesn't care that Apollo almost got blown up
This doesn't ring a bell. When did it happen?
>>332411427
I feel like Klavier should've had the opposite arc of Edgeworth, from being a friendly guy who is all about justice to a righteous bitter cunt
that would have been interesting
>>332413674
>9:23
Everytime
>>332414193
Way more interesting at least than the boring middle of the road kinda guy who never really put up a real fight but didn't really help you either.
>>332412068
Probably Layton still, even after timeskip.
>>332411427
>>332413884
The courtroom bombing actually happens after 5-3 and we don't see Klavier after that so there's no way to know what he thought of it.
>>332414396
Wow thanks asshole.
>>332414498
I stand corrected
>>332414396
>dgs spoilers
I'm not going to believe these just like the ebin'ray is mastermind'posts, but you're a dick nonetheless
>>332414396
>Finished case 3 of DGS
you mean you watched it
also DGS is the only game people legit don't know about, so spoiler that shit
>>332408164
I didn't think it was that amazing, maybe high tier but not demigod tier.
At least it had a red herring instead of just literally showing you who the killer is.
Why is DGS not localized?
Is it because Capcom doing another AAI2?
>>332415053
because capcom doesn't believe in games selling that don't have phoenix on the cover
>>332414989
I agree, it's a bit overrated on /v/.
>>332415053
this, amongst other things
case 5 material here btw
>>332415614
I recently beat it, so I haven' read up on what /v/ thinks about the case. I guess it was better than most cases in the game, but none of them, other than the last two, were all that amazing.
>>332414989
It was fucking retarded. The only reason this entire case happened is because they only do autopsies for murder victims.
>>332415615
Why do so many characters in DGS still look like they should be in a Layton game?
>>332416342
Because they are British, duh.
Reminder that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s1qcEfZA60 is best song
>>332416670
Beautiful
>>332416670
That quality.
>turnabout sisters starts playing
>>332416949
Dat Edgeworth in the background.
Is there an Edgeworth version of this meme?
>>332417073
>First-Class Farewell starts playing
>>332417096
>>332418187
He was truly Debeste villain.
Don't mind me.
I'm just an old man withEXTRATERRITORIAL RIGHTS
>>332407369
Things that keep me up at night
>>332399717
Dual Destinies was about Phoenix, Edgeworth and Blackquill trying to repair the system legally from the inside and trying to find hope even when there was none after all the corruption that had happened throughout the original trilogy and Apollo Justice.
Phoenix in Apollo Justice was a depressed vengeful guy and had his daughter paying for his bills. He was in a low point in his life and came out of it a better man.
Reminder Phoenix killed Zak so he wouldn't take away Trucy.
>>332415053
Keeping up Los Angeles in that game would be impossible
>>332407369
Nick could have been something other than some bumbling fool who can't plan shit and mostly relies on asspulls to save his client.
But that wouldn't bewright.
>>332407369
Because it was out of left field and everyone hated it.
>>332420727
I'm new to this series and have been considering playing these games. But I've heard only the first 3 are good and that they changed writers after that or something. Can someone clarify?
>>332426212
They are still good, just judge by yourself.
>>332395895
he was nuclear
its okay
>>332426212
there's a noticeable drop in quality (except AAI2) in the following games, but they're still worth playing because they have fun side characters.
>>332426315
>>332426575
Alright thanks. Also, are the Apollo Justice games necessary, or is that just a spin-off series or something?
>>332426212
Even the worst game is still really fun, it's all comparative
>>332426212
They're all worth playing, it's more of a "good and bad cases" thing than a "good and bad games" thing
>>332426706
Apollo Justice is canonically Ace Attorney 4.
>>332426706
Apollo Justice Ace Attorney is not a spin-off, it's the 4th entry in the main series
The spinoffs are the two Investigations games (of which the second one is widely regarded as one of the best in the entire series), and Layton vs Ace Attorney (seen as decent fun usually, especially if you're also fond of Layton games)
You can play these spinoffs at any point after the original trilogy
Canonically the Investigations games take place between the trilogy and AJ though
>>332426212
IMO The original Trilogy is the best.
Apollo Justice is good too and it sets the stage for another trilogy that never happened. So when playing that one you just kind of have to keep in mind that these characters were meant to grow later on.
THEN the writers changed for Dual Destinies and that game was an OOC mess that didn't really lead anywhere
The Investigations games were written by Takumi too but the first one is very stale, while the one after that (which can only be played by a fan translation + emulator) is one of the best titles in the ace attorney series.
But play all of them and decide for yourself. The original trilogy is amazing by itself and you can always stop there.
>>332395895
Absolutely not, and he put Apollo in the same exact position he was in years ago and could have ruined his career on top of it.
It was reckless and stupid.
>>332427448
>Apollo Justice is good too
Good job on invalidating your own post.
>>332427448Did AAI happen after or before nick got his badge taken away?
>>332427448
>The Investigations games were written by Takumi too
No they weren't.
>>332427448
Takumi had nothing to do with Investigations, and AJ isn't "good too". DD tried to fix the mess that AJ was.
>>332427604
Before, you can see him in the background with his attorney suit on, hanging out with maya.
It's possible that AAI games take even place before T&T.
>>332427448
Fuck you I really like Dual Destinies
5-1 is eh, it's an opening case. It's fine.
5-2 is the obligatory 'case with annoying weirdish characters', but it's still fun and has an amazing reverse twist
5-3 is awesome
5-4&5 should've been one case, but nonetheless, great stuff, classic final case material.
DLC case is fun and surprisingly good.
DD is way better than AJ
>>332427780
which case was this
>>332427772
And DD failed.
Lets hope 6 is better.
>>332427780
I believe they're after T&T. Edgeworth and Franziska reference cases about "flying people" in AAI. (2-3 and 3-5)
>>332427780
AAI takes place some time after T&T since they reference 3-5 in AAI-5.
>>332428154
Third case in AAI.
Final case in AAI2.
>>332428154
the one at the amusement park in the first game, and the one with wannabe-godzilla in the second game.
>>332428154
The last case of AAI2 shows Nick and Maya looking up at the tower if you examine the dent a second time.
>>332427780
>>332428348
All this talk of references and appearances when it's really quite simple
>Bridge to the turnabout
Feb. 7-10, 2019
>Turnabout Airlines
March 12, 2019
>>332428339
>>332428348
Alright, didn't remember that.
Furio Tigrecomes back in AA6.
>>332428708
That doesn't look anything like Furio. He has the full jersey shore tan going on.
>>332410802
>cut out the part where Diego breaks his coffee mug
But that's where the feels are
>>332428708
Xin Eohp!
>>332428708
oh yeah? Show me your attorney's badge then!
>>332428837
Too much feels, can't show that on a blue board.
>>332428876
Here you go, Judge
>>332427604
Before.
Actually, AAI2 happens about a week before
>>332428120
DD is pretty good by virtue of the fact all of it's cases are really solid and there are no overwhelmingly annoying witnesses in any of the cases. For an AA game that's quite the achievement. Plus it was the first game ever since the.... first... game... that actually had a competent opponent in the form of Blackquill. If you like Fran, Klavier and Godot as characters then fine; however they were all AWFUL prosecutors and opponents.
DD's biggest problem was pretty much just bringing Nick back and trying to make him the MC again. It was nice however to get some more expansion on Apollo. Hopefully in AA6 he and Trucy actually find out they're related.
>>332428120
Nah man Dual Destinies was absolute shit.
Everyone was out of character and had forced "tragic backstories" that came out of absolutely nowhere. You don't even MEET Clay and you're expected to care about him.
Fuck that.Also, Edgeworth accusing someone of accidentally killing their parent while trying to save them. Yeah ok.
>>332427685
weren't they? I thought they were but i guess i was wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>332429705
okay, too bad for you
I liked it and there's nothing you can do about it
>>332429419
Just reminds me of some webcomic that joked about Apollo and Trucy getting in a relationship and engaged and everything, and on their wedding they get told they're actually brother and sister :^)
>>332404379
He is a big guy
Will we ever see best boy again?
>>332430127
bro i dont care about your shit taste im just telling it how it is
>>332430440
>yfw while Kurain has Gaspen on the first case, Japanifornia has Debeste on Apollo's first case.>yfw he's grown into one of the toughest opponents in the series
>>332430440
>someone actually made fanart of this loser
>>332395895
He forged evidence that existed and was destroyed, so, worse things have happened.
>>332410406
>>332409924
>>332410284
Step aside for a real song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYg0J2rE0Aw
>>332430968
Blaise pls go and stay go
No, but he did theWrightthing.
>>332431275
I don't like this one because it feels like the composer tried too hard.
>>332431275
Not even the best song from that game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnw56Wd70VM
>>332431776
what the fuck does that even mean
>>332431976
I'm swag/your fag.
>>332410802
Young Edgeworth is so fucking hot holly fuck
>>332412068
Based Phoenix
Anyone else super concerned about the anime? I see images from it and it looks kinda shitty, but I also have hope?
The kids look kinda cute
>>332416670
somewhat related, what did pdp video sent so many people to the jazz version on youtube?
>>332410625
Well I mean, we'll see once the anime covers it.
>>332416670Why the fuck can I not anticipate this bullshit
>Anime goes all the way to the end of Justice for All
That's good, right?
>>332422369
>Phoenix in Apollo Justice was a depressed
stop this
>>332436219
It ends on best case, so yeah.
>>332436219
>>332436839
I wonder how the anime is going to handle 2-3
>>332437246
they won't, they'll just air episodes of fresh prince of bel air and dub over it in japanese.
>>332427448
>AAI is stale
>a game which set out to give us an idea how Miles wrecks shit as prosecutor instead of jobbing to Phoenix "get lucky with my spirit shit" Wright
>instead of magical asspulls we get actual detective work and you get to trap faggots in the logic chess realm to fuck them up
>get bro tier characters and a great last case
I swear, these are the same people who praise JFA just for the last case but ignore the cases before them making it GOAT somehow which ruins the entire experience.
inb4 AAI2 was better
>instead of slowly building up to the personal cases we get "muh father" the game
>game is written inconsistently
>miles having a heart attack on JFA when seeing the mark of the assassin but forgetting all about it here
>everyone shitting on miles even though he just saved an entire country from complete destruction and uniting not-israel and not-palestine
>fucking faggot prosecutor milf that gives you shit even though you fucking saved the fucking legal system in the country from complete utter shit and now they go high and might claiming you were being an ass?
>where were these faggots when von Karma was fucking up shit and the yatagarasu
>making the entire backstory of the entire series revolve around a cake baking incident
>you can't "convict" the mastermind but what is proxy murder and motive and all the evidence pointing towards him
>mastermind's motive is shit thinking he's a special snowflake even though a lot of the characters in AA have gone through more shit than him and are still completely sane
tl;dr FUCK YOU I LIKED IT
>>332438127
AAI is the epitome of "who gives a shit about the story and the shitty characters"
reminded that he killed in self defense and might get off with a short prison sentence
>>332438786
>AAI is the epitome of "who gives a shit about the story and the shitty characters"
No, that would be AJ. Evidence being what they did in DD.
>>332417073
>turnabout sisters ballad starts playing
>>332438127
I liked AAI too but AAI2 is superior in pretty much every way.
>>332439274
>turnabout sisters 2016 starts playing
Remember that never ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS3pDg9gUlI
>yfw AA4 was the MASON System
>>332440203
>game about a japanese lawyer traveling to the west
>game itself doesn't get a western release
for what purpose Capcom?
>>332440203
I really like the music, visuals and general presentation of this game, but how good is it compared to the other AA games? I've seen a playthrough of the first case on youtube and I wasn't impressed by the case, though you can't judge the rest of the game based on the tutorial case. I'm holding off seeing the rest of the playthrough on the off chance that I'll learn nip or the game gets localized one day, but people's opinions on the game seems to be either that it's pretty good/bad, rarely anything in the middle.
I know thatit ends on a cliffhanger, but are the general story, characters, cases and mysteries good?
>great last case
I'd rather play turnabout big top again than deal with all that extraterritorial rights shit again
>>332440837
>are the general story, characters, cases and mysteries good?
I have no actual knowledge, but based on every other entry of the series I'd say...
>No
>Yes
>No
>No
Ace Attorney has always been about the character dialogues. I can't name a single case/mystery I thought was actually good. Hell, the only overarcing plot in the first 3 games was that dumb Phoenix prologue shit with the twins, the AA writers have no idea what they're doing.
The soundtrack was also a big deal for me, but that's long gone by now.
>>332438127
>>332441492
I meant to respond to this but i fucked up
>>332441606
You wouldn't dare
>>332441492
>turnabout big top
>>332441538
AA's mysteries has always been about the turnabout theme, where the murder cases are far from what they seem in the beginning because you're still missing a lot of information when you first begin to solve it in court. I thought several cases has done this pretty well, like 1-4 where you're given an extremely misleading intro and it's so early in the series you're not expecting the "murder that happened X years ago" yet, and 2-4 where your expectations are turned around in that what your client is guilty and that the initial impression isn't far from what actually happened.
Best case:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGx-D9Vqmv8
>>332417984
Is there one with Franzika Von Karma or her Father? Maybe the Judge? Maya? Gumshoe? Faye? Pearls?
>>332442226
What happened to AO?
>>332417984
Calm your tits
Sooth your boobs
De-stress your breasts
Adjust your bust before it combusts
Hakuna your tatas
Your honkers need to stop going bonkers
Undo the calamity that is your mammaries
Give that chest a rest
Don't have a rack attack
There's a bit in the new PxC2 game where Pheonix has to defend his crew of growing psychotics that they didn't steal a jewel against Rhythm Black, Sigma, and a couple other villains, being supported by Edgeworth out of fucking nowhere.
Why is Phoenix so great in every game he's crossovered into?
>>332441538
>long gone
DD had a rather bland soundtrack, but both Investigations, PL vs AA and DGS all really good soundtracks.
>>332395895
Nope. I miss this Phoenix
>>332404297
>anything outside of the original trilogy being above anything within
Disgusting
The series ended after 3.
>>332429705
>spoiler
That is completely in character for him, he thought he had done the same and confessed to it. DD did Edgeworth pretty much right.
>>332443031
>he didn't play Investigations 2
>>332443031
AAI2 was incredible.
>>332443031
I hate nostalgiafags, it's like people forget that most of the filler cases in the trilogy weren't very good.
>>332438976
And then get arrested for the attempted murder of Kay back in case 4.
>>332443707
Didn't he deliberately push her into the secret storeroom so it would be discovered or something? I don't quite remember what the deal was, but I don't think anyone was trying to murder her.
>>332443465
I'm not gonna lie, most of whatever you'd call the story arc cases (Mia, Phoenix's Origins, etc...) were absolute garbage too.
Much like The Witcher 3, Ace Attorney offers plenty of style in it's dialogue, but no substance in it's plots.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. Well, there is when you pay $90 for what amounts to a virtual novel with no plot that has historically awful gameplay.
Thanks, Poland.
>>332444069
You don't play it for the plot substance man
You play it for the amazing rollercoaster rides that the stories are, especially coupled with the music hyping you up.
>>332444069
What substance do you even expect of whodunits? There are quite a few cases in AA that are well constructed murder plots, when it comes to style over substance in mysteries I'd point to Danganronpa, which really is lacking in its murder mysteries.
>>332443465
I loved every case in it's own way. EVEN BIG TOP.
Then I try Apollo and they fucking wreck phoenix's character.
I backed out so fucking hard.
>>332440203
>Loli Sherlock dies
I'm still mad
>>332413756
did you play the fucking game anon?
>>332444804
I think AJ is the worst game but fucking Big Top, man. Even so, AJ has the best first case, and all following games has some decent cases. People speak as if the trilogy did everything right, it has most of the best cases in the series but several of the worst ones too and a couple that are subpar.
>>332406919
>no Viola
>>332406919
How can one man be so wrong?
>Yamazaki said that the story in both AAI and DD were unpolished because they spent so much development time getting used to the new engines and gameplay
>Says AA6 will be better because he can focus on the plot, the role as director is even split in two with Fuse being the art director also overseeing the gameplay
If AAI2 is anything to go by, I believe him.
>>332445653
>DD were unpolished because they spent so much development time getting used to the new engines
Then why'd you fucking develop them? Did anybody have a problem with AA's art design and sprites?
>We created a shitty game with a shitty plot and shitty cases but look at those hot PS2 graphics
>>332445653
AA6 already looks fucking greatI hated DD and think it's the worst AA game to date
>>332446138
MT Framework was already a thing for 3DS, and sprites are harder to make.
>>332429705
He had to play the part of prosecutor, because of the hostage situation. He knew it was BS, and trusted Phoenix to set things straight.
>>332446138
DD was basically a reboot after AJ, they would have had to come up with something new for the 3DS anyway. DD gets too much flak anyway, it's simply average.
>>332446365
>sprites are harder to make
God forbid a game development company actually develop games.
You do less work, you get a subpar product. DD is no doubt subpar in every department.
Don't excuse laziness.
>>332446527
So you want the development to be harder because you wanted them to make a new engine and draw sprites?
Trucy is for ____
>>332446527
I honestly don't think lazyness was the problem in neither AAI or DD, I think Yamazaki had too much to oversee.
>>332446650
Sure.
I mean if not that, then at least hire some real writers. If you're not going for an even slightly appealing design, then go for substance somewhere else, I don't care.
DD has nothing. Art style is garbage. Cases are garbage. Hell, most of the dialogue is garbage or feels run into the ground at this point.
Not to mention the sound design.
>>332446478
Exactly
My ranking would be
T&T > AAI2 >= AA > JFA >= DD > AAI >= AJ
Didn't include PLvsAA because it's so different, but would probably be between DD and AAI
>>332408605
>love junkie
SAUCE
>>332447208
My ranking would probably be something like that too, except I'm never sure where to put JFA because the game is massively underwhelming until the last case. I think I might prefer AAI to DD too, but they're both okay.
>>332446527
>You do less work, you get a subpar product.
That's not how things necessarily work. The first three games barely had staff or budget, but development and things were much easier to keep track of. Hell, I think Takumi mentioned in his development blog that AA had a team of like 8 people working on it. What the series need might just be shorter cases and less meddling, but with successful series you usually give them bigger budget and staff.
>>332440203
I am severely disappointed but only because it looks like the guy that did the art of PLvAA did the art for this game as well.
And I really like the way he draws his characters.
>>332447772
I think 2-2 is actually severely underrated, but 2-1 is one of the worst first cases yeah (extremely forgettable) and well we all know all the problems with 2-3 (hey, at least Acro was a neat tragic villain I suppose? about the only thing it has going for it)
>>332447208
T&T > AA > JFA > AAI2 = PLvsAA > DD = AJ >>> AAIimo
>>332395895
nope
If this game was supposedly taking place in Neo-LA, Kristoph's 14th amendment rights were trampled
>>332448742
Neo Los Japangeles
>>332448523
It's Kazuya Nuri, who also did the art for AJ. His illustrations are great, and his main characters look pretty good, but his cartoonish witnesses and side characters look really off. He also has a tendency to sameface, at least his handsome men and beautiful women tend to look similar.
Iwamoto is my favorite character designer by far, but Nuri does the best illustrations hands down.
Masterpiece Tier:
AA3
AA1
AAI 2
Bretty Good Tier:
AA5
PW vs Layton
At least its not AA4 Tier:
AAI
AA2
AA4 Tier:
AA4
>>332448481
>That's not how things necessarily work.
But it's how things work most of the time.
Rule of majority.
>>332448964
Now that you mention it, I'm seeing some similarities between Sherlock and the guy helping Espella at the start of PLvAA
>The screen is tilted so that the left side looks bigger and progressively gets smaller as you travel to the right side of it
>The idiots complaining about what looks wrong have not even noticed the actual issue.
Wow.
>>332449053
DD was clearly a case of trying too hard, not a lack of trying.
>>332449173
I also remember the Duke in PLvsAA looking very similar to Barok in DGS, just without the stern expression.
>>332408605
>that coupon
My sides
Is it finally catching on?
I've been playing the second Investigations and I've been stuck on this part for a while. I've checked what I think has been everything, and answered to all of Gustavia's statement. What do?
>>332446739Magic panties
>>332404586
SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE IS THIS THREAD HAS SOME GOD TIER TASTE
>>332450960
I was stuck on that shit for a long time myself. If I recall correctly there's some kinda bloodstain on the bottom of the boat that I mistook for chocolate due to palette issues. I think you're supposed to take some kinda evidence and slap it over that particular spot but I'm not sure.
That said this is the most awkward investigation in the game and it should smooth out after this, so don't lose motivation
>>332451863
You got any clue where it is? You said
>underneath the bottom of the boat
So, where might it be..?
>>332452478
Not that guy but on the left side iirc
>>332452478
>Red Rum
REDRUM
>>332397604
I always thought that Kristoph's black Psyche Locks were a total asspull by the developers to try to hide the fact that they had created an incredibly shitty villain.
Kristoph did everything he did because he was a butthurt pussy.
>>332453623
What's wrong with a severely narcissistic psychopath being motivated by pure spite?
There are many many problems with AJ, but Kristoph is not one of them imo
>>332454226
I just felt like the entirety of case 4 completely shat on the rest of the game. Case 1 was great because of its twist, but then case 4 comes along and you find out he was just butthurt. It really ruined case 1 and the rest of the game for me. The black psyche locks were the cherry on top of the shit sundae.
>>332454226
Not that guy, but Kristoph felt too petty to be a good mastermind villain. You also have characters like Von Karma who also killed out of butthurt and wounded pride, but he did it because he saw a great opportunity. He would also have gotten away with it if he hadn't made a move 15 years later.
Kristoph on the other hand tries really hard from the start, but his scheme gets more and more complicated and he gets several accomplices/witnesses he needs to kill to cover it up, and things get out of his control and his complicated scheme leads to people taking him down. It just doesn't seem to be worth the effort.
Give him the card already, Franziska.
>>332454439
I really liked Case 2. I Thought it set things up really well for Apollo. It established Trucy as his assistant, Ema as his Gumshoe, Nuclear Phoenix as his ghost lawyer mentor. And Apollo's first case had similarities to the case Phoenix was brought down to court for the first time, in a way, he was defending Phoenix: useless child who got backstabbed by gf. Klavier was meh, it was refreshing that he wasn't some edgy prosecutor with dark past, he was actually pushing Apollo to go all the way, but he really fucking needed a character arc to stand out, instead he is just not Payne.
Then case 4 came along and all this cast became pawns in "who will rape the law better" game Phoenix and Kristoph had.
>>332454439
Since 4-4 was pretty shallow for an AA game and Kristoph couldn't carry two cases I can understand your frustration, but I don't know what you have against his psyche-locks. It was pretty neat shorthand for "this guy is too fucked up for your magic to work". A good villain is difficult to break, and having the previously unstoppable magatama mechanic come up against a brick wall set the tone pretty well.
Not that Kristoph was a very good villain. And retconning the black locks to mean something completely different is pretty dumb. It's just that they were fine for what they were.
>>332455314
He didn't plan as well because he was insane
Not every final villain has to be a perfect mastermind. Characters are allowed to have flaws, it's what makes them interesting.
>>332455794
You kind of have to be insane to become a lawyer in Ace Attorney world in the first place.
>>332455352
>This is the 2nd to last evidence in AA6
>The very last is the engagement ring
>>332455794
It didn't make him interesting to me, just disappointingly petty. Most other villains had flaws anyway, or they wouldn't be taken down, but stuff like Von Karma's obsession with being perfect, and Gant becoming corrupted after gaining too much power and taking the law too far were better implemented. There's also Engarde who had pretty simple motives, but got his ass handed to him because he was paranoid.
>>332455352
What is this
>>332455794
>he was insane
Honestly, I wouldn't have minded if they took this and ran with it. If he just did completely ludicrous things you had to piece together the last case might have been really engaging.
Instead he was just selfish. That's why Kristoph was such a weak villain. He wasn't particularly clever, he wasn't particularly nuts, he wasn't anything.
>>332456227
>It didn't make him interesting to me,
I felt the same way about Von Karma. I couldn't really hate him or anything because he just felt so one dimensional. It was complete apathy for me, which is the worse thing a reader can feel.
>>332456463
Different strokes I guess. Von Karma was simple, but I thought his character and the entire case was really well done. The entire setup was clever because it was simple and hidden in plain sight, and it was far more memorable than the convoluted mess Kristoph did.
>>332456417
Being selfish is most common cause of crime among last bosses of Ace Attorney, though.
>Muh perfect record!
>Muh revenge!
>Muh client stolen by a hack!
>Muh extraterritorial rights!
Although, Alba was literally just greed. He was in it for the money, was he not?
>>332404609
wow that animation is terrible
>>332455983
Is there any profession with a higher mortality rate than attorney in the series?
>>332457263
Yeah, but it depends on the execution. No one's defending Alba because that confrontation dragged on forever. Kristoph isn't the best implementation of a selfish villain because his motives came off as shallow compared to his mountain of misdeeds.
>>332457581
Honestly, I liked how much of a dirtbag weasel Alba was. He was a true politician: spouting bullshit to the very end.
I guess what triggered Kristoph is that he probably was a very big shot famous attorney, and Phoenix is known for cross-examining birds. I guess what could have made it special if it was established that Kristoph was pushed over the edge because of his prestige and speicifically because of Phoenix Wright who stained it, but he remained kind of an enigma in the end and best we can come up with is call him completely fucking nuts. He probably would have done the same with any other lawyer besides Phoenix. Point I am trying to make is that their battle should have been a bit more personal, instead Kristoph felt like an asshole who destroyed life of a complete stranger.
>>332458274
I actually liked both the last case in AAI and Alba, but it just got too long at the end. That case is pretty fun for a long time.
I think making Kristoph's issues more personal would have helped, they wasted the relationship between him and Klavier. There was barely any point to them being brothers when they were so distant they barely reacted to each other.
>>332410802
wish you included armando destryoing his mug of coffee.
>>332458665
It was obvious that between Klav and Kristoph was something. Maybe sibling rivalry. Gee, I sure wish there was continuation of the series that might have picked up on this.
>>332456875
I liked the convoluted mess because reality actually set in and it blew up in his face.
>>332457263
Yeah, but you need more than that. Von Karma was an incredibly imposing undefeated giant with a hyperaggressive prosecution style, for instance. He pulled all kinds of shit you don't figure out the final moments of the case. Kristoph was just... there. And you knew basically his entire shtick from the first case. If you're gonna be the quiet, refined, mysterious sort of villain you better be fucking clever to back it up and he wasn't. Hell, he spent the entire finale already in jail. That's a really weak main villain.
>>332458837
It was honestly AJ's own fault for establishing it and not expanding on it, like with Apollo's sibling relationship tacked on at the very end. Wasted potential.
>>332458978
I liked Von Karma better because it didn't blow up in his face until he got too ambitious and tried to frame Edgeworth for murdering Hammond. Kristoph had his scheme sorta unraveling from the start, when Zak took off and Vera didn't die as a child.
>>332459264
Von Karma was boring. He felt like a one dimensional caricature, which I guess some people liked.
>>332459038
Fucking AJ, man. It played around with many interesting ideas and brought up potentially interesting plot points and did nothing with either. Sometimes I feel like I like what could have been instead of what we got, but I still like AJ.
>>332457581
>his motives came off as shallow compared to his mountain of misdeeds.
This.
"I lost a game of poker and didn't get hired, I'M GOING TO FUCKING RUIN THE LIVES OF PHOENIX WRIGHT AND ZAK GRAMARYE!"
>>332459524
Don't forget
>I'm gonna kill EVERYONE that was involved to prevent me from getting caught
>>332452690
>left side
>>332459367
He made an impression, he was imposing, aggressive, and aggravating for the player. He made a good opponent in court because you're used to Edgeworth being a smug shit already, yet Von Karma blocks your every move with far more tenacity. His plan was simple but effective, and I can still remember what he did and the reason his setup wasn't obvious from the beginning.
Kristoph has such a complicated plan and shallow motive I can barely remember what he did, in what order, or exactly why he did so. That's not really a good thing for good mystery plot, he just left a very weak impression.
>>332459786
It gets even crazier that he wanted to fucking poison a child.
>>332459969
And the fact that he had a backup plan just in case the first plan failed shows how determined he was to kill her.
>>332460338
All because he lost a game of poker and didn't get hired. It just seems kinda disproportionate, man.
>>332406919
Yep. Where would you put Trucy though?
>>332459868
See that slab inside the body outline, that's just slightly differently coloured? That's what that guy was talking about iirc. (you can see one of the lines of that slab next to the 2 pieces of rubble)
That one also took me ages, pretty unfair but like he said, rest of the case is GOAT
>>332460417
Because he's a batshit insane psychopath with extreme narcissism. His ego couldn't take that hit, no matter how small, and he just cracked.
Maybe this all could've been delivered better but it's definitely not that out there for someone with those qualities to act like that.
>>332400845
I forgot how fucking sweet this intro was. 1-5 had a great intro as well
>>332461315
Delivery definitely means a lot, I mean 3-5 has the glaring problem with Godot who just should have burned that fucking letter, but the presentation and showdowns in that case are just so good.
>>332407437
I'll just leave this here.
>>332461989
>Godot who just should have burned that fucking letter
>problem
Why is that opinion so prevalent lately? He allowed crime to happen specifically for revenge. It's not a plot hole.
>>332404297
I agree mostly except
>Golden court needs to be lower
>cosmic turnabout needs to be lower
>turnabout begining should be higher
>>332407039
Oh shit what Maya confirmed for next game?
>>332462448
where have you been?
>>332462336
It's more that it is simply really stupid, which he implies himself. I get him wanting revenge, but he chose the absolutely riskiest way of doing it, and if he really wanted to hurt Dahlia he also must have known that the only way for him to do so was if someone channeled her, with the only people capable of that being
a) Mia's baby sister
b) Mia's eight year old cousin
c) Mia's mother
I mean come the fuck on, he wanted to protect Maya because he was the dearest thing Mia had left, but at the same time he doesn't burn the letter that could have prevented the whole thing, which implies he wanted revenge. This in turn leads to a risky scheme together with Mia's mother, who must have explained enough to him that she could and probably would channel Dahlia. It's extremely contradictory, and even if it is on purpose to show how fucked he is it makes for a chip in an otherwise excellent case.
>>332462515
In a coma
>>332399717
>They backpedaled so hard and tried to make Phoenix look like the pure, noble, never do wrong attorney who always wins clean.
Because he is. AJ Phoenix is horribly out of character because that character wasn't written to be Phoenix from the start.
he did, in a sense that Kristoph was basically impossible to convict without cheating. He went for 'the end justifies the means'.And it would've been perfectly fine had they not decided to throw it all away in DD
>>332461062
Thanks bro, finally got it.
>>332462929
>Dahlia just a swing away from exacting revenge on Mia by killing Maya
>Godot stopping just second before she could do it
>Dahlia is now forever in hell knowing she was just a split-second from bringing misery and defeat to Mia
It was really risky and I don't think he even considered for a second what would be best for Maya, he knew he was commiting something selfish and he wanted to be locked away for it by none other than Phoenix.
Just started DD, and what the fuck, Athens is fucking 18 and a lawyer. Is it really that easy to become a defense attorney in this world.I'm not complaining though, that school girl uniform makes my dick feel funny
>>332463776
I can understand Godot being fucked up but Misty really should have come up with a better scheme. At least stalk Pearl so she can't slip away or something, they knew what she was planning to do.
was he in the wrong?
>>332463912
The prevailing theme throughout the series is that the law is fucked up, and it is more generally a commentary on problems within the Japanese legal system.
>>332463912
No, law school takes like 6 years
>>332463912
>Athens is fucking 18 and a lawyer
Is this your first AA game? This is such a staple of the series that AAI2 has a character parodying the teenage lawyer.
>>332463912
Franzie became a prosecutor when she was like 14. But she was also a jobber.
So, Athena is just a mary sue. They did the thing they did with Edgeworth by resolving crime from her childhood, but they also did not want her to be old over 20 years hag. In Japan you are already oba-chan by 20.
>>332464153
Yeah. He was out for revenge and pit people against each other. It was indirect, but still wrong
>>332464228
They should have made her older, but Klavier was a prosecutor by 17, a rock star on the side and a fucking genius. He'd be a worse mary sue if he wasn't so bland and ineffectual. Athena also fucks up the tutorial case, she's the only one who really feels like a rookie lawyer in the series.
>>332464458
apollo does too considering how 4-1 eventually turns out
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>>332464228
But she's fucking retarded. Even Apollo didn't become a lawyer til he was 22.
>>332464458
Have you played AJ? In first case Apollo feels exactly like you feel when you play that shit.
When is Winston Payne coming back and when is he going to be the good guy?
>>332464560
Franzy isn't smart enough to be a lawyer by 13 either, Von Karma lineage or not. DGS also has a 10 year old doctor who writes bestselling mystery novels, so this series just does whatever it wants.
>>332464560
22 is like normal, because Apollo wasn't supposed to be anything special until he met Phoenix. Then he became half-magical boy. Phoenix got there when he became 24 only because he wasted a year for arts. Although, if it was Shakespearean acting class, then it actually helped him a lot.
Why the fuck can't I present people anymore? I was frustrated when they removed it in AJ, but I thought they would have brought it back for DD.
>>332465187
Kek, instead they removed inspection of anything besides crime scene effectively eliminating 3/4 of flavor writing.
But I do wonder about that, too. It's a shame, I never quite got the hang of it, but by adding that they made games even more of a head scratcher. They even managed to joke around with it like how you present Phoenix Wright in 3-2.
he's kind of attractive like that
>>332466483
I really like papa Nick, and going by how DD has been so far, he's big brother with Athena and Apollo.
>>332456417
Kristoph was a sociopath fucked in the head who had everything planned and was chill as fuck.
Also a paranoid fuckwad.
