http://www.wsj.com/articles/sony-plans-new-playstation-for-graphics-heavy-games-1459152941
>The days of waiting six or more years between videogame-console releases are coming to an end.
So who PC here?
>>332306282
This is an amazingly smart decision that benefits everyone. The only people mad at this and pathetically attempting to spin it in a bad way are mad PCucks.
>>332306282
we /huhue/ now?
>>332306427
Um, I'm a console cuck and I'm mad as fuck. I don't want to buy a new PS4 every 3 years for 1 FUCKING GAME
>>332306543
Then don't. It's still a PS4, which means
>100% of games will be compatible with both systems.
>Online will be compatible between them.
If you're rich, upgrade. If you're poor, keep your old PS4. You'll enjoy the same games regardless. It's just like choosing to not upgrade your video card every month.
Remember the 36 million :^)
>>332306462
Yes we arregão nao.
>>332306695
Anon, the old PS4 will start running games at a silky smooth 20 fps. You know how western devs work. Look at the PS3 version of Shadows of Mordor or other last gen ports that were made as afterthoughts. Supporting the "original" PS4 will be an afterthought
Games are dumbed down to match consoles, leaving PC fans with underpowered shit. Why would this be any different. Devs always appeal to lowest common denominator
>>332306543
So why did you buy a blood bourne box?
>>332306282
>consoles become the new iphones
Good luck with that one
>The days of waiting six or more years between videogame-console releases are coming to an end.
PS3 was 2006.
PS4 should have been 2012.
PS5 would be 2016.
We're on track, the fuck is your autistic problem? Go take your ADHD medicine.
>>332306695
>though it is likely that the current model and the coming one would share the same software catalog, one of the people said.
>likely
:^)
>>332306912
Ha ha, mad PC faggot.
Video cards come out faster than iphones, you dumb slut.
All this is is a video card upgrade for consoles.
>>332306865
For future games like FFXV and Nights of Azure and expected 7+ years support
>>332306421
Not yet but planning on building one. It's basically gonna replace my ps4. I still love the Xbox One though.
>>332306282
>Suicide
How many more times are you PCucks are going to have to be proven wrong before you accept that consoles are not going anywhere?
>>332306282
Look at what you did nintendo. I thought your decision was retarded but now Sony is hopping on the boat too. Did anyone actually buy a new 3ds?
>>332307042
It's far more efficient to change out a video card than it is to buy a WHOLE NEW CONSOLE
They are gonna screw themselves on this. Average consumers arent going to buy a new console every 3 years. They will purchase elsewhere.
>>332306842
Are you fucking retarded? That's as dumb as saying
> NOW THAT THE GTX 980 IS OUT WE WON'T HAVE SUPPORT FOR THE 780
You're a fucking retard. This is not a new system. This is not the PS4 vs the PS3. This is the PS4 vs the PS4 with a better video card.
>>332307106
What nintendo did isnt new, you underage fuck.
>>332307149
And you can't adjust settings on consoles, anon. So the devs will give you 20 fps at 1080p with tons of unneeded graphical effects
I don't mind paying again for the PS4k because I'm not poor.
:)
>>332306282
>>332306282
They must be out of their fucking mind if they think I'm going to rebuy a console every couple years at fucking "New" "In Demand" prices.
Not paying 400$ for another one every 4 years.
>>332307042
>buying a whole new console every year instead of just a part in your PC
And even that's stretching it, you can keep the same computer for years and it'll be able to run as well as consoles.
>>332306282
Here's the article without the whole subscription crap.
How long till we start seeing affordable 4k TVs?
>>332307067
I'm not a PCuck. I'm a console cuck. If this is too detrimental I will quit gaming because it has just turned far too exploitative.
>>332306282
I don't understand why are you people trying to stir up shit by using this.
Its an optional upgrade for people who want better performance and resolution, the games will still be compatible with both versions.
If you got the money, upgrade, if not, just stick with the cheaper model, which will probably go even cheaper when this new one launches.
How hard is it to understand this?
>>332307253
>>332307253
Noww that I think about it, it doesn't make any fucking sense. Haven't we gotten a new Console roughly every 4 years?
So hows this going to work!?
I need to shit out 300$ for a "Higher-End" console every TWO years now?
>>332307273
Nope, a good video card is $300+. You call it one part, but it costs as much as upgrading a console.
>>332307242
That's the dumbest speculation in the history of /v/.
You want to believe that, but you don't really. The games will run just fine on vanilla PS4.
Does this mean I can pick up cheap 2nd hand PS4s from the rich people and hope that it's a hackable system?
If you worked more and complained less maybe you could afford the PS4k
>>332307242
You have two graphics profiles, one for the old PS4 and one for the new one. Equal performance between the two, only difference is graphics quality.
This is beyond trivial to implement.
>>332306282
It's like the Nintendo handheld strategy but $200+ more expensive and with even less games to make it worth it.
>>332306282
>that faggot who voted for Dilma then had the audacity to not only defend himself but also say he has the right to complain if she made the country go to shit
Anybody that watches these e-celebs needs to go kill themselves right fucking now.
>>332306427
>mad at this
This is actually quite funny
I'm glad I didn't get a Piss4 yet. Will the new one run Bloodborne etc. at a higher framerate?
>>332307502
Holy shit, how naive are you? You have devs shipping LITERALLY broken games on day 1. Why do you think they WOULDN'T do this?
>>332307602
I don't trust devs to implement the old profile with fps in mind.
>>332307042
>buy a whole console
>"just a video card upgrade"
>>332306282
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oh fuck off
all of the websites reporting this use the same "inside" sources that are "100% correct"
i don't think that's going to happen and here's why
>there would have to be a drastic architecture change due to the fact that no single APU can handle modern, non-indieshit 4K games at 30fps or above
>PS4 can already output to 4K@30Hz and it's not like anything beyond that would be possible with the APU it has
>two different platforms would mean that every single developer has to optimize the game twice, with varying results
and lastly
>consoles usually use semi-custom designs from manufacturers (AMD or Nvidia)
>not a single new semi-custom chip has been copyrighted lately
they can't just throw in an older mid-range GPU and call it a day, that's not how it works
>>332307383
Are you sure about that, do we know games will be compatible with both?
>>332307923
right here
>>332307332
>>332306282
>The days of waiting six or more years between videogame-console releases
So, the PS3? Come on kid, it's blattant you are part of that bandwagon that started gaming with Uncharted and The last of us...
>>332307904
>trying to ruse /v/
High end cards cost $600+
Mid range cards cost $300+
If you have anything cheaper, you're running garbage.
Being exploited is part of the charm!
>mfw i didnt beta test hardware
>mfw i'll be enjoying Bloodborne 60fps edition and the new From IP requiring the latest hardware at 60fps
You remember me motherf@kers? "We want consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one.' We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else."
Now bitches go and buy another console, the evolution of ps4, the ps4k
>>332307850
This is not a new system. There's no comparing this to PS3 vs PS4 versions of games.
All this means is that the games will look nicer on the PS4.5. That's it.
>>332306282
RIP consoles, you had a good run.
Post your favorite console and move on /v/
>>332307932
I hope you're right, anon.
>>332306282
Who cares, it's only bad when Nintendo does it.
I hope you aren't cancelling your pre-order for the 4K PS4 you stupid shits. If you don't own at least two PS4s (normal and 1TB) right now don't even bother replying. Slim when?
It's just an upgrade guys I mean lets just set aside the fact that you have to buy an entire new console, and transfer all your shit to the new console, and then sell the old one to gamestop for like 30% of its original price, and lets just avoid discussing the fact that many companies will probably develop their games around the inferior console anyway because that's the one with millions of users already playing vidya.
>>332308026
PS2: 2000-2006
Six years bro
>>332307850
>I don't trust devs to implement the old profile with fps in mind.
I imagine they won't have a choice, if Sony has any sense then performance parity would be part of the certification process.
You might get people to upgrade if the graphics look much better but if you piss them off with deliberate sabotage they are just going to take their business to one of Sony's competitors.
>>332308121
This is the best thing that a company has ever done for consumers.
Rather than force PS4 owners to play with the same graphics for 6 years, we now have an option to upgrade if we want. And if we don't upgrade, we still get the same great games.
win/win
>>332306282
>PS4.5K and XBOX TWO this year
second crash incoming
WE DID IT LADS
We will see the death of videogames
>>332306282
>Finally saved up enough money for a PS4
>NEW CONSOLE COMING OUT GUYS
JUST
>>332308132
see >>332307932
>two different platforms would mean that every single developer has to optimize the game twice, with varying results
>>332308270
The problem is, Sony has no competitors. What am I going to do, buy a fucking Xbone? I might as well just quit gaming.
>>332308149
He's not
>>332308204
Nintendo is abandoning the Wii U for an entirely different console.
Sony is releasing a slightly upgraded PS4.
Apples
Oranges
>>332307059
PC and bone are the worst combo anon, why not keep the ps4 and scrap the bone?
>>332306427
>This is an amazingly smart decision that benefits everyone
PS4 owners will stand to benefit the most from what PC gamers have enjoyed for decades: upgradeable GPUs. The PS4 in all likelihood will have a Thunderbolt 3 external GPU dock developed by AMD, which is the only external connector with enough bandwidth to run a desktop GPU.
PC gamers will probably be unaffected, unless there is a sharp demand for mid-range GPUs, driving up market prices. I doubt that the CPU in the new PS4 will be able to handle anything higher than a 980 or 390X.
IT'S OKAY WHEN SONY DOES IT
>>332308345
IT'S THE SAME PLATFORM
YOU FUCKING RETARDS DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PS3 AND PS4
STOP PRETENDING THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT CONSOLES WHEN THEY AREN'T
THE
SAME
CONSOLE
THE SAME CONSOLE
SAME
SAME
>>332308372
This is not slight upgrade if it can play 4k games. It would require far better hardware than what is in the PS4 now
>>332308426
ps4 has nogames
so console babbies will finally get 60fps 1080p now?
>>332308426
Why is it the worst combo? Genuinely curious here.
>>332306427
>This is an amazingly smart decision that benefits everyone.
Not poor people
>>332308540
it'll probably be 60fps/720p
PS4 is such a fucking blunder. Every exclusive they've released for it feels like a tech demo rather than an actual game.
>>332308540
Some of them will after they pay for an entire new console.
>>332308474
The devs STILL need to test two entirely different versions on two different GPUs. Areas that lag the game on oldPS4 will not lag it on newPS4 and devs will not give a fuck about oldPS4 because "LOL JUST BUY A NEW GPU FAG" syndrome that western devs have
if the ps4.5 is more like the N3DS to 3DS than the PS3 slim was to PS3 i'm abandoning sony
i paid $400 for my bloodborne station and this is how you treat me?
>>332308578
Poor people will benefit.
>increases lifespan of PS4
>more people buying it
>more games made
The PS4 and the PS4.5 are the same console. They have the same library and are able to play together.
So will the online share the same servers? Could someone on the PS4 play online with someone on the PS4K?
Why are Sony and Microsoft so keen on getting rid of all the benefits consoles had over PCs? I saw people complaining about current gen exclusive games even after the 7 years since last gen came out so there's going to be a lot more than that if consoles adapt the phone upgrade cycle of paying for a better one every few years.
And looking at it from my perspective the worst part about this would probably be transferring stuff over from your old console to the new console. I fucking hate anytime I have to do that stuff with HDDs on my computer, but I imagine console HDDs are a hell of a lot slower and it's more annoying to do than just drag and drop.
In any case seems like Sony is shooting themselves in the foot even if this doesn't have any exclusives and it just plays games better. If consolefags don't even like PC having better graphics and performance it much be even more irritating having different versions of consoles out with differing graphics and performance.
>>332308283
>This is the best thing that a company has ever done for consumers.
LOL, ps3 first 3years=$3 billion loss. You understand now why Sony choose the ps4k solution?
1080p/60fps.....
>>332308058
>thinks he knows prices
Here's your (You)
>>332308692
of course you fucking dingus
>>332308674
>he fell for the onegamestation meme
>>332308785
DON'T CALL ME DINGUS YOU MEANIE
>>332308785
HAPPY DINGUS DAY
>>332308780
but those are correct?
To be honest, the name is pretty clever, they really can't do this when the PS5 comes out. Either way, I would have honestly waited until 2018 before bringing out a refresher, but the Slim did come out almost 3 years into the PS3's lifetime.
>>332306282
consoles are finally dead, we're free from their bullshit
>>332308560
Bone shares most of its exclusives with pc
>>332308780
You tried to bluff, but you fell on your fucking face. You just rolled a 1, faggot.
Those prices are objectively correct, and if you disagree, we're all laughing at you.
>BUT MAYBE IF I POST A SARCASTIC REPLY PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE ME
You don't own a PC and probably don't even own a console. You're just a shitposting faggot posting from your dad's laptop.
>>332307332
So I'm not seeing a stated source for any of the PS4K information in that article...
>>332307332
>How long till we start seeing affordable 4k TVs
by middle of the year. the push started last year, they'll reach majority household around next christmas. They will find way to not leave you the choice.
This thing is going to be called the PSFork isn't it
>>332308483
It's won't play games at 4k.
I mean, fuck...you guys keep falling for this shit.
If by some miracle it does and can hold a steady framerate, the price is going to be insane anyways.
>>332308238
you retarded, kid?
>>332307932
>there would have to be a drastic architecture change
AMD's Zen SoCs have already reached production for at least two major clients who aren't in the desktop or mobile computing scene. It's likely that the custom SoC Sony chose is backwards compatible with games and apps designed for the older Jaguar SoC on current PS4.
>PS4 can already output to 4K@30Hz and it's not like anything beyond that would be possible with the APU it has
It can only do movie streams at 4K because the R7 360-tier GPU can't really handle anything higher than 1080p gaming, but I remember reading that the PS4 update will have HDMI 2.0 output.
>two different platforms would mean that every single developer has to optimize the game twice
Not really. You can optimize the programs, games, and OS to run on wildly varying architectures (my 4790k + dual 980 Tis will play the same games and run the same programs as my client's FX9590 + dual 290). It's not that difficult or time consuming if you only have TWO iterations to worry about.
>not a single new semi-custom chip has been copyrighted lately
Wrong. AMD has been hard at work getting Zen SoCs ready for delivery since Q3 last year. In fact, the first Zen chips will be going exclusively towards SoC customers.
>>332308914
Isn't that more of an incentive to stay with my xboner?
>>332308895
If you have to ask, you already know the answer
[Spoiler]it's not[/Spoiler]
>>332309020
Dude. The sources literally reported it was called the PS4k.
>>332307332
I doubt that the ps4k
will actually play games at 4k
for 400 bucks I would buy it easily if it could
but I verymuch doubt that it can
what I really want to know is how much it costs
if you can play in 4k and 60fps, this console will be a commercial failure
>>332306282
When they announced the PS4 didn't they initially say it was designed to have upgradable parts like a PC?
Am I not remembering this correctly or did everyone else forget?
>>332309020
Enthusiast pc's can barely play 4k@60fps why would anyone think that
I mean, this may or may not happen, but I hope you people aren't taking this article as proof. Their source is literally "people familiar with the matter". Hell, that could just be some schmuck from /v/ who is familiar with the current rumors.
Its 8th gen. 8th. -8th- gen.
If you're still buying first edition consoles instead of waiting out for the inevitable upgraded versions you're seriously asking for it
>>332309131
4k and 30 obviously. Because 24 doesn't "feel good"
>Post your face when games on the PS4K will still run like shit
>>332309078
yeah any sony never lies
it is the typical sony bullcrap, like the native 120hz on morpheus
>>332308928
>getting this salty
Man, you can do better than that
Jonah,
Play Castlevania
>>332309078
>>332309020
It will play UHD Blu-Ray discs. It will literally just be for 4K movies.
>>332306282
Still with performance issuesand no games
>Sony can now do literally anything they want since no competitors actually exist anymore.
Why did Sony kill gaming, again?
>>332309165
Look at your PS4. Do you see a way to change the GPU?
>>332309056
2 platforms to play the same game, o E plays it better than the other. Your choice anon but it seems like a no-brainer
This reminds me of the bit wars with the sega genesis and the super nintendo. This is the modern age bit wars.
>>332308669
except in this case they're pissing off 40 million ps4 players instead of 1 million steam players
>>332306282
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nice clickbait
>>332309080
It can't. It just upscales everything to 4K.
>>332306282
>new consoles
Fuck's sake. There isn't even enough incentive for me to buy one of the current gen consoles as it is.
>>332309376
Those 40m will be expected to upgrade or be left behind. This is the PC way.
>>332309364
Fuck I love good Jinx cosplay, super qt
>>332309201
I hardly remember there being much in the way of "upgraded" consoles last gen. Sure the Elite 360 was a general improvement but you could still use the original just fine. Same with the PS3 consoles, the 60GB release was still the best version overall if you valued PS1 and PS2 games.
>>332309131
>4k and 60fps
lolno
>4k or 60fps
maybe, most likely tech demos that no one ever gets to play though
>>332309264
Fine, here's better than that.
Midrange are $300+, High End are $600+. Nvidia has kept that model for years.
>>332309453
>Those 40m will be expected to upgrade or be left behind. This is the PC way.
You realize you can just turn down the graphical settings in PC games right?
>>332306282
I can think of only one way this would actually work, and that's if they pull an Apple and go the way of mobile pricing schemes.
PS4K announced, it's the same price as the PS4 is now. If you trade in your existing PS4 you get a huge discount, like dropping the price to $100-$200. Meanwhile the old PS4 is discounted so cheap that cheapskates like me that don't have one can get one.
Almost no games will be PS4K exclusive, but they'll run at 4K/60fps on the PS4K and 1080 or even 720/30fps on the old PS4. But they'll still run and at an acceptable level.
That's the only way I can be okay with it. None of the fucking N3DS bullshit where Hyrule Warriors is sub-fucking 30 on the old 3ds like they couldn't be bothered to turn off the ugly motion blur post-processing effects.
>>332308438
That would be cool but It would be too confusing for console peons.
They will probably get a new apu with the polaris architecture, maybe hbm instead of gddr5.
Polaris 10 is supposed to have 2304 or 2560 stream processors, so I would guess the apu would have 1792sp.
That would be around a r9 390 or 390 in terms of power so it could do 4k at 30-35fps
>>332309290
>it's okay when Nintendo does it with handhelds
>>332309582
Turning down the graphical settings is being left behind
>>332309453
except there aren't 40 million people on steam. you really can't compare the two. devs who feel comfortable screwing a minority may not be able to do the same to the majority
why does upscaling exist? what's the fucking point? Isn't it something your monitor/TV does by itself nowadays?
seriously answer me
>>332307332
Wow fucking finally. I'm PC master race and finally consoles will no longer be holding us back as much at least. Now they can experience the joy of having control over your hardware but only slightly.
I think this is a good thing.
There is literally no downside to this. The only thing people have brought up is saying
>W-WELL GAMES WILL PROBABLY RUN LIKE SHIT ON THE OLD PS4
Which is easily disproven.
>>332309581
>not buying computer parts on surplus and sales
It's like you enjoy being cucked by manufacturers
>>332308483
Except the only thing that it will do is playing movies at 4k and UPSCALING games that DON'T have the 4k native resolution to 4k.
Basically fucking nothing.
If any of you honestly think you're going to be playing games in 4K that aren't Tetris, you're delusional. Or don't know much about technology, which I guess I can't blame you for.
>>332309608
Handhelds are easily hackable so whateves.
>>332309592
>Hyrule Warriors is sub-fucking 30 on the old 3ds like they couldn't be bothered to turn off the ugly motion blur post-processing effects.
Is this true?
>>332309624
Well you still get to play vidya at higher settings than consoles so it works out I guess.
>>332309376
>>332309453
The game will detect what console version you are using and adjust it's graphic presets accordingly.
They aren't going to make separate games or abandon the ps4.
>>332309715
That is your optimistic belief. But that is not what these media outlets are reporting.
>>332309706
They couldn't NOT do it. A regular ps4 would have to make insane sacrifices for a vr experience, to the point where it would burn people on the concept of VR. They could NEVER have a high enough resolution, fps, fov, and then regular game graphics for VR on a ps4. Just impossible.
>>332309746
1080 low is much worse than 900 or even 720 high
>>332309376
Your PS4 is now a baby PC. PS4K is essentially a PC with a sony OS on it. Welcome to the master race kids, this is a wonderful time. I can now enjoy my console gaming with PC quality frame rates. Congrats sony, you just won a customer. I hope it supports Nvidia cards in the dock cause I got a GTX 980 sitting here collecting dust.
>>332309676
They'll do it if they don't want Sony sending the Yakuza after them to break their fingers :)
God bless consoles
>>332309170
>Enthusiast pc's can barely play 4k@60fps
Tell me about it.
But I don't think 4K/60FPS is Sony's end-goal. I think they are preparing for their entry into the VR market, which is less demanding that 4K/60FPS rendering. AMD's Polaris 10 is claimed to be within the minimum spec for VR playback and that will be a sub $300 GPU. Not only that, but it consumes roughly the same amount of power (maybe even less) than the APU inside the PS4 and can be run passively cooled (i.e. produces much less heat). I think it's a no-brainer.
>>332309594
Sony and Microsoft will most likely release a list of all "compatible" GPUs for their customers to buy. Expect prices of those GPUs to climb if that does happen. Good news for investors, bad news for entry-level/poorfag PC gamers.
>>332309364
>PC master race
>post LoL
>>332309785
see >>332309592
>Hyrule Warriors is sub-fucking 30 on the old 3ds like they couldn't be bothered to turn off the ugly motion blur post-processing effects.
This is what shit looks like when you do this. Devs cannot be trusted to do what is best for fps and turn off their shitty filters.
>>332309364
>no boobs
you were born a girl and had one job
>Nvidia announced a new line of video cards!
>Why would they do this to all the people who already bought a card?
>This means that we all have to upgrade otherwise we won't be able to play any games!
>>332309859
you havent followed any news, have you. external processing unit.
>>332309080
>>332309170
Seriously. My PC is fairly beefy and can still play all games coming out on ultra 60 fps and it's nowhere close to 4k 60fps and would still cost something like $1400 to build. If they could outdo my machine for less than the price of upgrading to a machine that could output that I'd run out and buy one on the first day, but that's just not possible.
>>332309390
Most likely answer.
>>332310015
Consoles are different from PC. PC has had upgradable parts for forever. Not to mention upgrading a single part is different from buying an entirely new console. And you don't have a say over how your game looks or runs on consoles, you're at the mercy of whatever the devs decide to do.
The amusing thing is this basically ruins the value of the original PS4, who the fuck would buy an original PS4 except broke niggers?
>People actually defending this shit despite the vast majority of people sounds pretty fucking pissed
Do Sony pay you per post or per thread?
>>332310175
It's not a new console; it's the same console with some upgrades.
You're trying to draw a distinction that doesn't exist, because you want this to fail.
Sorry, but Sony is doing the right thing. Every PS4 owner wins from this decision.
>>332310015
>Damage control: the post
>mfw PS4K is Jaguar tier lump that is attached to PS4
that would be hilarious
>>332310101
I wonder if there is the 14nm magic behind this, but I really doubt that the new chips will bring such a boost in fps quality that you could do 4k gaming for 400 bucks
>>332310302
Except for people who own an old PS4 =3
>>332309485
I think that sony is actually crazy because VR costs lots of horsepower and they want in on that with the console peasants. It has to be a high end console or else it's probably a shitty version of VR. I don't get it either way, makes no sense.
>>332309859
I agree. If they want to keep up with the graphics and processing of a computer, they do have to release this new system
>>332310298
There's nothing to not defend. Name one downside to this. Just one. Just one. You can't.
>same library
>online compatibility
>will increase sales and cause more games to be made
>>332310015
I just bought a 970 and this honestly pissed me off.
>>332306282
>Sony Plans New PlayStation for Graphics-Heavy Games
>PS4 games will ONLY be 1080/30FPS capable due to nonexistent optimization and glorious framerate-dependent programming
>>332310358
Nope, they win too. This extends the life of vanilla PS4s too. They'll get more games for even longer now.
>GTA V will get ANOTHER release
>>332310452
as if the gtx970 isn't still enought to max out the majority of games 1080p/60fps.
>PS3 and PS4 can't play online together
>PS4 and PS4.5 can
>PS3 and PS4 have different libraries
>PS4 and PS4.5 have the same libraries
>PS3 and PS4 are different consoles
>PS4 and PS4.5 are two versions of the same console
can't wait until our fat friend reviewtechusa makes a video about this stating his OPUNIAN
>>332310546
>"at least it run just like your PC now!"
>Normalcucks will clap with both ass cheeks anyway
>>332310302
>it's not a new console
There will be a difference in graphics and performance between the two if the newer version is really going to have stronger hardware. That is a difference large enough to piss people off. And even if it's the same architecture you overestimate how greedy Sony is thinking the new version won't have exclusives to entice people to upgrade.
So if there's exclusives you have to pay another $400 or more to play them. If there's not you would still have to pay another $400 or more if you don't want to play the downgraded versions of games.
>>332310419
>same library
Possible, but nobody knows yet. And there being a difference in graphics and performance is a downside for people who bought an original PS4.
>bought a bloodborne machine just a few weeks ago
JUST
>PS4 doesn't even have more than a single good game
>Improved version of the console already in the works
Sonyggers are literal cucks. But on another note how the hell are Nintendo going to compete with the NX now?
>>332310324
14nm is going to be great, but yeah no. Games require shit like dual-Titans or something similar to reliably play at 4K and high settings. New video cards are expensive as fuck on release too. So in a best-case "these cards are actually 1nm and Sony is burning their money to eat the costs" scenario the new 14nm video cards would still require every cent of that $400, which of course leaves nothing for the rest of the console.
>>332310419
I bought a PS4 and now I'm fucked. There's the downside
>>332310274
If you were smart and knew about all the changes that were going on in the CPU/GPU space, you would have avoided the current consoles even after the third year price drop.
GPUs have been stuck on 28nm fabrications since 2013 due to a 20nm die shrink failure and AMD has been up shit creek without a paddle in computing power until Zen was finished with Intel being too high and mighty to consider making custom SoCs for console manufacturers and ARM not being powerful enough to run demanding games.
All of that points to 2012-2015 being the worst time to bring a new console to the market. PS4 and Xbone should have launched late this year to have truly been the next step forward. There was no point in releasing a half-baked console back in 2013 when the PS3 and Xbox 360 was adequate enough for another few years.
>>332309745
Yes, it's why I said it. I've been playing it on both my old 3DSes and boy that framerate is fucking garbage. I can SEE the shitty motion blur and some particle effects they kept in and though I'm not a game dev, I honestly wonder if they couldn't just turn that shit off so I don't have to play in fucking sub-30fps.
And the absolute worst thing about it is that the game the engine is based on, Samurai Warriors Chronicles, was a fucking LAUNCH TITLE for the 3DS. You CAN optimize this sort of game to run fine on 3DS!
>>332309895
that would be too confusing.
I think amd would rather make a powerful apu that they can scale down for laptops and desktops.
They would have to make a new motherboard design with thunderbolt for the external gpu.
I think the apu design I mentioned earlier would work. It could even get like 40 fps if the graphic settings aren't ultra
The console playerbase can barely operate a computer, let alone install a gpu and go through software settings to get it to work.
>>332310834
Return that shit, buy the new one
>>332310834
Return it and then return the console as well.
They'll be able to play Bloodborne™ on PC level graphics. IT'S NOT FAIRRRRRR
>>332310901
You're not fucked. If you don't want to upgrade, you'll still get the same great games.
>>332308120
>Japanese game
>Japanese CONSOLE game
>that was programmed to operate at 30FPS at best
>supporting framerates higher than 30FPS
Maybe the PS4K will expose Japanese developers for the frauds they are and make them completely extinct. No one bought a PS4 for Bloodborne, they bought it for GTA, Sony moving the PS headquarters to the US is proof of that.
>>332310535
No, I am one and I assure you I do not win. Sony can mandate the console lasts however long they want by not releasing a new console until 2023. They don't need to fuck me to do that
>>332310546
3rd person introspective
>>332310324
>I wonder if there is the 14nm magic behind this
There is, which is why Xbox and Playstation are suddenly getting mid-life hardware upgrades now and Nintendo is considering a new console altogether.
The PS4.5, or PS4k, or whatever you want to call it, isn't even real. Literally everything I've seen about it is a complete rumor.
If it is real, though, it'll just be a more powerful version of the PS4 optimized for 4k movies and VR, and I'm okay with that because I have no interest in VR and I don't have a 4k TV.
>>332310927
why do you like little boy's chests?
>>332310927
>it's either flat or cow tits
end this meme and end your pathetic life you pedophile
>>332311038
It was officially announced by the president of the company you fucking retard.
>>332310927
>not wrapped around my cock
Only flaw.
>You held off on buying a PS4
>>332310989
>Maybe the PS4K will expose Japanese developers for the frauds they are
considering western dev are still there despite Bethesda and all the clique selling crash/bugs on release as a "normal feature", it's not happening anytime soon
So the ps4 used hardware that was considerered midrange at best in the year 2009.
and since the ps4 was released three years ago does that mean ps4.5 give us midrange parts from 2012?
imagine it. games with 2012 medium graphics. I can't wait!
>>332310976
No, I'll get 24 fps afterthought profile and won't even be able to adjust the settings to get the level of fps I want
>mfw everybody was upset about the WiiU getting replaced after 5 years
>mfw Sony switching to a 3years release cycle
>>332310312
the new 32x?
>>332310973
If you aren't a pc gamer counter-falseflagging then I'm sorry for your gullible mind
>>332310419
You don't know if it has the same fucking library or not.
What's to stop Sony form even bullshitting and going "oh the PS4 wouldn't be able to run this game, you'll need a PS4K"
Personally I didn't buy a PS4 because I knew Sony would pull some sort of "slim" bullshit. But it's no surprise and rightfully so that people who bought a PS4 are mad.
>>332311095
Show me a source, any source. I literally haven't seen a single one.
>>332310990
Nope, I am one, and I assure you that I win.
If I want to spend $400 to upgrade, I will.
If I want to save $400, I will, and I'll still get all the same games.
There is no downside. No downside whatsoever.
> PS4 has nogaems just like the Xbox One.
> Nowhere near worth the pricetag.
> Paid online.
I mean, the PS3 took like a decade to establish a decent library. PS4 has fucknothing that justifies the pricetag of the system collectively.
im glad i did not buy a ps4 yet. i knew this was gonna happen.
>>332306282
>Sonyggers will defend this
>>332311193
You'll have to wait on his fathers dick coming out of his ass before he can show you it.
>>332311209
>la la la i can't hear you
>la la la no downside whatsoever
>>332311209
This isn't how the modern video game industry works. If you can be screwed you will be
>>332308669
>and devs will not give a fuck about oldPS4 because "LOL JUST BUY A NEW GPU FAG" syndrome that western devs have
You make it sound like the Japanese are better in this regard. Hard locking framerate and outright REFUSING to patch resolution options, and their excuses for not doing so are just as bad.
>>332311189
1. This isn't a new console. It's the same console with some upgrades.
2. The release of a new video card has never in the history of video games caused new games to not be compatible with the old models.
>>332306282
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>>332311321
Anon, most Japanese games will run on a literal toaster.
>>332310324
I mean I suppose. It's not really even the GPU that would be a problem with this though since Sony could probably get something like the 970 cheaper than consumers could, it would be everything else needed to support that that would rack up the price.
They could probably hit 4k with a playable framerate if they did something like that, considering what we as enthusiasts consider "functioning 4k" is settings modded above ultra running at 60fps and above and what they consider 4k is probably something below medium running at an almost stable 30.
Still would cost more than the PS3 at launch though.
>>332311209
This fag is just shitposting for the sake of shitposting.
>>332311123
Midrange? it was obsolete at release and so it will be this "upgrade"
>>332311305
>>332311296
You're not speaking out of facts. You're making emotional arguments.
>THEY'RE GOING TO SCREW US
>COME ON GUYS THIS IS MODERN GAMING; WE'RE GETTING SCREWED
>WE'RE SO SCREWED WITH THIS
Just shut the fuck up. You can't name a single reason why this is bad. Stop shitposting.
>>332311054
Only if they're dressed like a girl
>>332307230
Okay tell me when a company has released the same system with certain parts upgraded. Unless shit like that used to happen with super old systems (in which case, yeah that would be before my time), I'm pretty sure Nintendo was the first to do that.
>>332311189
I bought the new Japanese model PS4 in August because I didn't want to wait for it to be released in America, and I don't feel fucked over at all. I bought a PS4 because I'm interested in Jap games, and most of those look like shit anyways so I absolutely don't need an upgraded console to get the most out of them.
I really don't see how this is different than the Xbox 360 Slim, or the PS3 Slim, or any of that shit. It's actually even better because instead of buying the exact same console, just with a different design, you get upgraded components too.
>>332307128
not at all
>>332311279
>flat chests irl and lolis are the same thing
No, fuck you, go back to /b/, /r9k/ or whatever pond you jumped out from. Seriously, pedophile IS an insult and you should just kill yourself for liking that shit. Fuck you.
>>332310940
>I think amd would rather make a powerful apu that they can scale down for laptops and desktops
They would focus on custom SoCs first to validate and stress-test the design AND manufacturing process, since most of the legwork that AMD has to do would be pure hardware and firmware. The customer would pick up the slack for the rest of the SoCs' development and share information on how well the integration went. AMD would then put that information to work refining the CPU and APUs based on the same process, since most of the legwork and financing was already done by a third party.
>They would have to make a new motherboard design with thunderbolt for the external gpu
Plus adding HDMI 2.0 compatibility and possible changes to the embedded memory.
>The console playerbase can barely operate a computer, let alone install a gpu and go through software settings to get it to work.
AMD is really pushing the external dock onto their SoC clients because they have the most to gain from it (SoC sales + discreet GPU sales). I bet you anything that they either pressured or added incentives to make external GPU docks a thing on future consoles. It's a big potential money-maker for AMD.
>>332311112
Didn't get to play BB yet but I'll be fine
So, this is likely only going to be for VR and upscaling games to 4k, right? It would be interesting if they let you have 60fps instead, but making major changes to the graphics quality of games doesn't seem likely if each console has the same library.
>>332311406
Holy fucking shit, slit your fucking wrists.
You're angry that people are calling out your shitposting and not letting you do it in peace.
You just want to say this is bad and not have to explain yourself.
Fuck off.
>>332311209
the future is now, even for sonyggers but it will cost ya
>>332308438
Thunderbolt is very expensive.
>>332311401
At a hard locked 720p 30FPS. 8 years after the console versions came out. While none of the new games in the entries come to PC.
WOW THE JAPANESE SURE ARE BASED GUISE :^)
>>332309364
With what? Pixelated indie shit and petitions? You are even losing graphics argument now
>>332307253
>Not paying 400$ for another one every 4 years.
sure you will
>>332311496
Stop kidding yourself, pedo. 2D and 3D are equally pedo.
If this turns out to be real I will never buy consoles again, if I have to get a new model for new games often I'll just build a pc
>>332311541
As will be the dock.
And the GPUs that go into the dock.
>>332311540
>the future is now, even for PCucks, but it will cost you
>>332311539
First time replying to you, you little retard.
>>332311610
>>332311672
why don't you go rape some children in front of your local primary school?
>>332311547
Don't be salty just because you decided being a PCuck would be the best way to play Japanese console games.
>>332311437
All the facts released so far point to a screw job. We're just inferring what the screw job will be like. The only way this is not a screwjob is if it's 4k ONLY, no alternate graphics profile devs have control over and is mostly for PSVR retards.
I doubt it'll do more than add frames or more grass. It's probably targeted at PSVR and people with too much money on their hands.
>>332311668
That isn't the future, that's a lot of the past strapped together.
>>332311085
>if you don't like cow tits and ONLY cow tits, you're a pedo
You're just as much of a fucking waste of space as he is for making such base fucking generalizations.
>>332311540
Still thinking that this is going to be able to play at 4k?
The same arguments used to pour scorn on the idea that Xbox One would get incremental updates apply here too. Fragmentation of the market is not good news, it's irrelevant whether or not it's backwards compatible with the PS4.
I really hope this rumour isn't true. It was a bad idea for Microsoft and is for Sony too.
>>332310927
because I'm not gay? she has not tits anon, there is something wrong with you
if that was my girlfriend, I would gift her a boobjob
>>332311558
>>332311824
All the facts point to this being the greatest decision ever. Instead of making a new console, they're upgrading the console they have now, so there's one library, but an option to play with better graphics.
Everyone wins. Nobody loses, except for people who want Sony to fail.
>>332311854
I mean it fucking could, it's literally just a PC shoved inside a silly box with a subsidized price and extremely limited OS.
It just won't because that would cost money.
Is the NX triggering this insane shit from Sony? i thought they felt pretty secure after selling gorillions of PS4.
>>332311953
congrats on being a terrible person who need to change people to suit your desires
>>332307045
>and expected 7+ years support
Why the fuck did you ever expect 7+ years support when no Playstation has ever had 7+ years support barring the PS3?
Fuck, not even the PS3 had that many years of support if you discount the first one to two years where it was left in the water with a $599 price tag and no games.
7+ years console lifecycles, aren't a standard. And has only been witnessed once, as an anomaly.
>>332311963
except for the people who have to pay hundreds of dollars for every new system
>>332311963
If this happened 7 years from the release of the PS4, yes, it would be acceptable. 3, no.
