Why do /v/ hate Undertale?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfSrbvQB-c
>>332280375
because its popular
>>332280375
Because it's unbelievably overrated.
>>332280471
This, and the shitty "it's made to please SJW's" excuse. I like the game, it IS overrated, but there's no need to throw shit at it for such stupid reasons.
because its overrated as hell. i played it and its alright. hyping something too much doesnt do anyone good.
>>332280375
>Why do /v/ hate Undertale?
Good morning, Poland.
Because talking about a game that's solely reliant on its surprising gimmicks and talking about every aspect, continuously, non-stop on every place on the entire internet for the entirety of october and november wasn't a very good move.
At first there wasnt so much hate but yeah when it became popular /v/ was doing what it can do best
I think yesterday's thread convinced me that it's just a vocal minority of shitposters and that /v/ actually likes Undertale.
>>332280732
>I will be forced to invoke uh oh hour
Fucking amazing
Undertale Plotholes:
>Why does Sans value a promise from someone he never met over the life of his own brother?
Even if the promise was to keep the player safe, he shouldn't keep holding himself from attacking if
>Why didn't Toriel intervene against Asgore sooner if all it took was her presence to break his resolve?
She only intervenes with the last kid and is too late when she does? Lazy writing.
>Why does Napstablook avoid the player in the genocide route?
He's literally invincible and mocks you if you try to kill him. He has nothing to be afraid of.
>Why can't Mettaton Neo attack?
Even a *Mettaton is charging his attack! would've worked but why is he determined to do nothing?
>How come Flowey says he can't use the souls in subsequent neutral runs yet he clearly uses them in the Pacifist ending?
After the neutral ending, you can't fight Omega Flowey again because he states "the souls would just rebel again." In fact, the souls serve as checkpoints in his fight since they retain memory of you calling out to them even if you die. So how come Flowey was able to use them in the pacifist ending to restrain (he's using a vine from his Omega form to do so) everyone? Shouldn't they have rebelled because they remember?
>How does the player leave the barrier in the neutral ending?
There is no displacement involved after the Flowey fight, replaying the neutral ending has you walk into the room you meet him in after his fight.
>Asgore being completely oblivious to everything in the genocide run despite Alphys watching the Undyne fight and Mettaton being able to fly.
It's not that he isn't able to recognize the player, it's just that he's so unprepared even when Flowey is literally telling him what he needs to know.
Did I get them all?
>>332281268
>Even if the promise was to keep the player safe, he shouldn't keep holding himself from attacking if
If it results in his brother dying. Makes his condemnation of dirty brother killer feel hollow if he's not going to lift a finger to save him or avenge him.
>>332281268
Just an observation:
I love how there's so much furor around the game that there's people dedicated to find everything wrong with it.
Haven't seen that happen for any other game really.
>>332280375
because it's really short and has very little gameplay even by indie rpg standards
the battle system was fun, could've been great if they actually utilized it more
the music is 10/10 though and honestly is probably the only reason it got so popular
>>332281506
you mean you never noticed because it never happened to a shit game you think is good
>>332281268
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>Why does Sans value a promise from someone he never met over the life of his own brother? Even if the promise was to keep the player safe, he shouldn't keep holding himself from attacking if
If what?
Also, Sans is long since fucking done with any of this shit. He's tired, Anon, having existed through countless resets.
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>Why didn't Toriel intervene against Asgore sooner if all it took was her presence to break his resolve? She only intervenes with the last kid and is too late when she does? Lazy writing.
Because they were both heartbroken and she just wanted things to go back to the way they were with the children. She was stuck living in the past and couldn't accept what had happened.
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>Why does Napstablook avoid the player in the genocide route? He's literally invincible and mocks you if you try to kill him. He has nothing to be afraid of.
He's just not feeling up to it today. Sorry.
>>Why can't Mettaton Neo attack? Even a *Mettaton is charging his attack! would've worked but why is he determined to do nothing?
It's a story thing. Chara/Frisk has advanced to far past any Monster's level, he's supposed to be strong enough to kill Mettaton Neo with no effort at all. Which sets up the Sans curbstomp.
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>How come Flowey says he can't use the souls in subsequent neutral runs yet he clearly uses them in the Pacifist ending? After the neutral ending, you can't fight Omega Flowey again because he states "the souls would just rebel again." In fact, the souls serve as checkpoints in his fight since they retain memory of you calling out to them even if you die. So how come Flowey was able to use them in the pacifist ending to restrain (he's using a vine from his Omega form to do so) everyone? Shouldn't they have rebelled because they remember?
Frisk inspired a change in him by showing mercy. He regained a shred of Asriel. The souls identified with him once he was sympathetic.
The other two are pretty valid. I don't have much of an answer.
>>332281617
metal gear rising, for example
everyone just accepted that the combat is sort of boring and flat, that the story has nothing to it and moved on to liking the game anyway
I actually like that comparison because undertale and mgrr have similar qualities
>>332280375
more the faggots that constantly go on about it, just like MLP. It's an 'alright' game but the fanbase has soured it.
>>332281268
>He wanted toboneher
>fair point
>because gameplay
>because he's a joke/they were too lazy to make another actual fight like Undyne2
all the rest of the shit with asgore, flowey, and the ending are a bit muddy for the sake of the meaning, they're kind of forgivable because they were used in interesting ways but there's no denying that all the endgame stuff suits the story before logic
really, the story isn't undertale's problem, it's the way it is delivered mostly. plenty of good stories have lots of plotholes
>>332281268
>>332281403
>Why does Sans value a promise from someone he never met over the life of his own brother?
He's given up trying to change things because he knows it's just going to reset again. The only reason he actually tries to fight you at the end of genocide is because he just wants you to give up and stop fucking with everybody.
>Why didn't Toriel intervene against Asgore sooner if all it took was her presence to break his resolve?
She was sick of him pussy-footing around opening the portal and left him. Asgore really doesn't want to kill you, but in his mind it's the only option to free his people. He could have taken one of the souls, exited the portal, and come back after killing 6 more anytime.
>Why can't Mettaton Neo attack?
Because most monsters are completely useless against a human that wants to kill them. And Mettaton Neo is still an underdeveloped prototype. Alphys was a lazy fuck
>How come Flowey says he can't use the souls in subsequent neutral runs yet he clearly uses them in the Pacifist ending?
He tries to use them in combination with all the monster souls, but it obviously fails.
>How does the player leave the barrier in the neutral ending?
DETERMINATION
>Asgore being completely oblivious to everything in the genocide run despite Alphys watching the Undyne fight and Mettaton being able to fly.
Alphys an heroed before notifying Asgore. He had no clue about anything until Flowey told him seconds before you show up.
>>332281632
The nihilism angle doesn't work because he goes through all the work of observing and befriending the player despite knowing that they could've listened to him countless times. The game also makes a point of showing that Sans knows if you reset the pacifist ending, and his speech in genocide is equally applicable to a player who reset after a pacifist run. He references the promise he made in serious contexts only so its clear that it is a factor in his interactions with the player.
So it took her 6 more kids to shake her out of her depression? Kids she could have easily saved if she escorted them?
So the route where the player must kill everything is the only route where the invincible monster disappears from the game? Convenient.
I'm saying its illogical for Mettaton to just simply stand there when given the chance to do something.
>Frisk inspired a change in him by showing mercy. He regained a shred of Asriel. The souls identified with him once he was sympathetic.
Pure conjecture.
>>332282346
Then why bother holding himself to the promise when it becomes clear that befriending the anomaly wont change anything?
>"getting to the surface doesn't really appeal anymore, either. cause even if we do... we'll just end up right back here, without any memory of it, right?"
>"i was secretly hoping we could be friends. i always thought the anomaly was doing this cause they were unhappy. and when they got what they wanted, they would stop all this. and maybe all they needed was... i dunno. some good food, some bad laughs, some nice friends. but that's ridiculous, right? yeah, you're the type of person who won't EVER be happy. you'll keep consuming timelines over and over, until... well. hey. take it from me, kid. someday... you gotta learn when to QUIT. "
>*There's photos of people you don't recognize... There's a picture of you and your friends
She should've known that Asgore must not have been truly commited if he's still in the underground 1/2
>>332282346
2/2
Its absurd to think Asgore would'nt have known about leaving the barrier, its how his son died. She coudl've forced him to make a decision by being there but her absence is what keeps him along his plan.
Box Mettaton would've been far more suited than Neo.
I'm saying he uses them before he absorbs the monster souls.
That's a nonanswer, there's only one explicit way to leave the underground and it requires a monster and human soul.
Alphys becomes queen if you abort genocide in Hotland. She's still around and Asgore should be aware.
>>332282850
he knows it doesn't matter at all if he kills you because you'll just reset. so his only options left are to befriend you or just make the fight so hard that you just give up trying
It's not the game itself - It's the fans. It consists of clingy, crying Mother fans desperate for even a spiritual sequel, the fattest of homosuck fans, and ofcourse, furries, even taking some from the dreaded FNAF because "muh robodick".
>>332283642
The entire point of his fight was to frustrate the player into resetting, if he acted upon his instincts in Snowdin, he'd be much more successful in stopping the anomaly than if he waited until the last possible moment to act. I'm saying it doesn't make sense why he wouldn't give you a bad time over killing Papyrus since it's just as pointless as anything else he's doing.
>>332280375
>ifunny watermark
>>332283196
Asgore knew he could leave the barrier, but chose not to. Toriel got pissed at this and left because he was telling his people he would get them out, but was choosing not to. Toriel just wanted nothing to do with the whole thing. She's still at fault for letting the humans in in the first place, though.
>That's a nonanswer, there's only one explicit way to leave the underground and it requires a monster and human soul
I know. I don't have an explanation for it. Maybe he picked up Flowey, walked through the portal, and tossed Flowey back in. How he gets the letter afterwards is beyond me.
>Alphys becomes queen if you abort genocide in Hotland. She's still around and Asgore should be aware.
This one kind of confused me too. She commits suicide in several types of runs, but somehow doesn't in that one. Maybe you quitting genocide gave her a tiny spark of hope to hold on.
>>332283980
he wasn't 100% sure you were the cause of the anomoly. even if he did kill you successfully, it was Flowey that was originally fucking with the timeline. he knows everything he's doing is pointless, but making you give up is pretty much his equivalent of committing permanent suicide. if you kill him, he'll just be reset back. but if you give up, he won't have to suffer through seeing everyone die over and over again
>>332282850
>The nihilism angle doesn't work because he goes through all the work of observing and befriending the player despite knowing that they could've listened to him countless times. The game also makes a point of showing that Sans knows if you reset the pacifist ending, and his speech in genocide is equally applicable to a player who reset after a pacifist run. He references the promise he made in serious contexts only so its clear that it is a factor in his interactions with the player.
This kid is a Determinator, to use the TV Tropes faggotry. Countless runs have seen him do countless things and Sans is fucking tired of it. The game as much as states it, this is not speclation.
She was in deep, deep depression trying her damnedest to reject what had happened. She lost two children and her husband right before her eyes, she was fucking heartbroken. She was jaded to the whole thing and assumed Frisk was just going to die like all the rest. It took his survival to snap her out of it, like Frisk helped everyone else.
Napstablook may be invincible, but he also doesn't care enough to even try fight back. Even if he appeared he wouldn't have done anything. He just, does not feel up to it.
Blame Alphys for being a shitty designer and Mettaton for being a boastful idiot, I guess
>Pure conjecture.
Literally no, he goes back to being Asriel immediately. He even calls you after the Forbidden Lab in the Asriel voice instead of being Flowey.
>>332280375
stop this
Is undertale's plot too much for it's 3-5 hour amount of content?
Just asking.
>>332284721
I got this much out of it, 2 playthroughs
>>332284874
What did you do?
>>332284721
if you just speed through the game, it's about 3-5 hours playtime. the actual plot spans over several runs and has enough content to last for days of gameplay. it's more plot than gameplay though. the boss fights are fun, though.
>>332285048
first run neutral and pacifist
second run genocide
talked to every npc
got every phonecall
undying took 1 hour sans 2-3 hours in case you think I got stuck on them
>>332281268
Agree with 1, 2 and 7, won't bother addressing 3, 4, or 5 because I lost everything mid typing
>How come Flowey says he can't use the souls in subsequent neutral runs yet he clearly uses them in the Pacifist ending?
The human souls don't have the ability to remember things that happen, that's reserved for the player and other creatures with direct control over the game's state such as Flowey and somehow potential anomalies such as Sans. Flowey at that point clearly was powerful enough to remember, scumming you with those savestates and even somehow leaving your health variable in touch (different variable set or something?), he just remembered that was a thing that eventually happens. I don't know what the player does after a subsequent neutral ending though, that might just be representative of him resetting the game, seeing as Flowey takes the soul. I haven't played for a while, so I don't really know.
As for the souls rebelling in the first place, one of the main running themes of the game is that there is absolutely nothing of consequence, even if the fake characters try to tell you otherwise, you're just laughing at them. At least, that's an issue it brings up. You can answer whichever way you want when Sans and Chara bring it up, I guess Toby's just saying it doesn't matter. The souls shouldn't be able to just help you out like that, so I think it was a deliberately cheesy and illogical event you'd typically see in these types of RPGs
because its fan art look nothing like the characters in the game.
>>332280471
pretty much this
>>332285206
at least some people do it justice though
>>332285206
that's always the case for every game
>>332281632
I haven't been thinking Sans was a time traveler or anything. I don't know what he is, but he feels more like a character that doesn't belong in the game and has sort of shoehorned his way in, most especially with the way all of his attacks are stolen, he screws with the core battle mechanics, and he was a sloppy dodge animation that's just a guaranteed miss along with a smooth slide.
First he's the careless member of another a royal guard fanboy squad, then you find out he's a stranger who's supposedly come out with his brother from nowhere, then he's a good friend of the leader of royal guard, then he comes out from nowhere just to tell you he's a little pissed at you for killing things, then he disappears. There's also those meetings where you walk with him into walls in the game's intermissions
>>332280375
>this thread
BECAUSE ITS POPULAR XD There's literally no flaws in the gamehttp://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1so68ou
>>332285352
>they want pixel fanart
>>332280732
>>332282850
I think Sans directly reads the game's data, rather than having an in universe paranormal power like remembering things from the previous lines themselves. He wouldn't know exactly everything you've done, or how often you've done them unless it's tracked or a variable.
>>332285157
>got every phonecall
Are these really worth doing? They sound very tedious to get, desu. No offensive.
>>332285206
But their sprites are their only true form. Any depiction of a fight that isn't the player moving the heart with the keyboard is false, even in universe
>>332285778
he's been weird all game long from the moment you meet him
you just never question anything of it because it's a game but if you look at it from afar he's the only inconsistency from all the characters (aside from papyrus)
also, they're the only non-organism monsters
there's something weird about them all game long, you just don't question it, one of the first things sans tells you is that he will be "up ahead" then proceeds to walk in the opposite direction
>>332285985
I liked them a lot
there's lots of neat things hidden in the superficial aspects of undertale, if you know what I mean
like reading a random bookcase that gives you details on the backstory of the monsters
it also gets really cute once you've finished pacifist and just walk around talking to everyone, getting a new text message from goat mom in every new room is qt as fuck
>>332280375
because of the fans, really it's been talked to death. move the fuck on.
>>332280732
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNfgjBG5uuM
That thread was so much fun.
And yeah, there are someone people who just go crazy at any uttering of Undertale so you can't please them all.
>>332286184
Ok. Well, I'm glad you got to enjoy the game for what it is. Kinda jelly, desu.
>>332286530
>time for bed
>you're gonna have a bath tim
haha fuck
>>332280375
quirky internet humor
>>332280375
Because it's the homestuck fanbase. Acting like it's the second comming of jesus.
Game was not bad. It's just horribly overrated.
Because I am not a teenager.
Because /v/ likes to pretend it's smarter than Tumblr.
Sad fact: Tumblr produces more and better OC than 4chan has for several years now.
We're marginally better than reddit, but Tumblr is blatantly better to browse. Even their porn dumps are better.
>>332281268
>a character making poor decisions is a plothole
Don't ever get involved with game development. I fucking mean it.
>>332284395
Which is my point, that she could've intervened with the earlier children if she really detested Asgore's plan yet she didn't because...
How would the phone get signals outside of the underground? The place would have been found way sooner if that could happen.
She finds purpose in rescuing everyone from the player. Killing everything after leaving the ruins is what leads to the chaos ending.
But he certainly knows. He points it out if you kill Papyrus, why not give them a bad time if he's at it?
>>332284413
Sans doesn't remember anything from the resets, he just has a vague awareness of the distortions.
But the children would only die if she didn't protect them. She kept them safe in the ruins but staying there is more important than helping someone when you have the power to? She's just as bad as Asgore. Why did she change her mind with Frisk?
>>332285205
>The human souls don't have the ability to remember things that happen
But they do remember what happens in the Flowey fight, otherwise you'd have to do it all over again.
>>332285963
If he could remember from previous timelines, there'd be no reason he acts the way he does if he knew that the person he was tailing killed his brother and others countless times even though he has a reasonable chance of stopping them. the point is that he has proof of the player being an anomaly if they reset the pacifist ending yet he tries to befriend them all over again.
Napstablook cares enough to have an encounter on literally every other route. He's not there because the only way to beat him is to befriend him and that would break the route.
Fair enough.
He was goading you to get the pacifist ending so he could transform, and he was always able to do that. He changes his face to a goats after Toriel's fight and he uses the voice to mask his true identity. He was blindsiding the player about his involvement and boasting he could do it at the same time by literally telling you shits gonna happen.
Its time for the anti fun.
Unhappy fourth dimensional experience.
You're gonna have bath Tim.
Bed time.
Heh, uh oh, unfolding.
>>332288415
>inconsistent characterization to fit the plot is not bad writing
>>332288727
Fuck you're a wanker dude. Fuckin Skeleton dating simulator and you're kvetching like some housewife about writing in a game where you meet a giant Octopus-Onion that spouts anime memes.
Apply some perspective.
>>332288262
Goddamn.
>>332288950
Stay mad faggot, it's fucking true.
>>332288727
If you're referring to Sans, he doesn't murderkill Chara for Papyrus because he thought they'd get their fill and reset.
Basically anything regarding Sans' lazy shit is due to him knowing that the timeline will just reset. He just doesn't try doing anything until it's too late.
>>332288949
>apply some perspective
Okay. It's a dumb meme game.
>>332289297
>A game literally written as a love-letter and deconstruction of Japanese pixel games references Japanese pixel games.
Like that's even allowing the long-draw shit in that image.
Fuck me! Did ya know Papyrus' clothes reference the Star Men? FUCKIN MEMED TO DEATH.
>>332289297
Is this image implying something? I see nothing wrong here.
>>332289782
The image is calling out Undertale on being a meme game. It shouldn't be difficult to understand.
>>332289220
>If you're referring to Sans, he doesn't murderkill Chara for Papyrus because he thought they'd get their fill and reset.
Then why did he bring up the promise before the fight? Why even mention it at all?
>Basically anything regarding Sans' lazy shit is due to him knowing that the timeline will just reset
Tailing someone through the entire underground and then judging them is not lazy. It's just as pointless as fighting, yet he'll still do it despite being able to have irrefutable evidence that the player is the anomaly.
>>332290062
I'm not sure if you understand what the word meme actually means.
>>332288727
just stop.
They always ask "Whats bad about the game?" and when you go into detail they gang up on you saying you have autism for caring or something, had it happen to me twice.
I bet half of the posters in this thread are underage anyways
>>332290707
>Have dumbfuck opinions
>Wonder why dumbfuck opinions aren't respected
Fucked if it know man!
>>332289571
Fuck you're a wanker dude. The game clearly takes itself seriously enough to beg the player to not do certain things (Genocide, true reset) and tries to examine various rpg tropes, yet the moment I put the plot under a microscope is when you call it an anime dating sim.
>A game literally written as a love-letter and deconstruction of Japanese pixel games references Japanese pixel games.
Fuckin Skeleton dating simulator and you're kvetching like some housewife about references in a game where you meet a giant Octopus-Onion that spouts anime memes.
Apply some perspective.
>>332290821
Because putting the plot under a microscope when you date a fucking skeleton, and when the creator himself considers it a piece of work of little importance is fucking dumb as hell.
And nicely done butchering the formatting there you cunt..
>>332290987
If that's the case, why are you defending it so vigorously if its that irrelevant and nonsensical?
capcha: limit ass
>>332290987
>Games having a silly moment means the plot should be immune to criticism
>>332288262
Then back to tumblr with you.
>>332288262
>Tumblr produces more and better OC than 4chan has for several years now.
tumblr is literally a network of blogs. You choose what content you see. Your name/online handle is prominent on the content you make and other people essentially share that by pasting it on theirs.
These are fundamental differences between 4chan and tumblr that makes it inherently impossible for 4chan to produce anything on the scale of tumblr. You can filter threads all you want, but you can't guarantee the threads you want will actually appear. You can post your content, but you wont have your name attached and the praise and renown you may get will be limited to that thread only. And since threads are temporary and the archive only lasts for a week, there wont be any permanent record except on archive sites. You can quote others but the anonymous nature of this site gives doubt whether or not that was actually a different person quoting instead of the original poster.
The two sites are incomparable, but its not hard to see why tumblr might have more content.
undertale youtube content is so fucking weird and terrible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qBtKYmrSJQ
obviously not the creator's fault but maaaaaan some of this shit
>>332292107
>obviously not the creator's fault
because who could have predicted that pandering to furries, homestuck fans and tumblr could amass a fanbase of autists
>>332290821
the game was a nice little self-contained fantasy with a few appropriate nods for the first two areas, then you walk past that weird twitter anime joke octopus and everything goes to shit from there
it's like bilbo meeting gollum, but he's calling the ring his "waifu" in between quoting meaningless tumblr shitposts from 5 years ago
>>332292107
At least fnaf had new games for people to get their fix, everything undertale related has already been done so we get weird shit like this.
>>332292694
I remember seeing a sans cosplay on ehentai once.
>>332280732
Holy shit these keep getting better and better.
>>332292694
Are undertale au's sonic oc's of a different generation?
its ok. i think it annoys people because it gets overly praised and because the unique things about it have nothing to do with gameplay.
>>332280375
I don't hate it.
I love it.
Now stop making these threads. Let it rest.
>>332293703
I liked Undertale when I played it but after recently playing through it again I was able to catch some flaws in its execution that wasn't apparent my first time.
The endings: Anyone with some knowledge of the game would know that not staying full Gandhi or Hitler makes your route neutral, which is largely the same as the pacifist route. This lack of variation makes it less interesting than genocide/pacifist because all that really changes is the phone call at the end. This kind of ruins the point of the morality the game teaches because you may spare everything not because you want to, but because your run is ruined if you don't. For a game heavy on metacommentary, it should have acknowledged this.
The Characters: the characters are the entire selling point of the game. Your opinion on whether you liked the game or not is heavily dependent on whether you liked Sans, papyrus, Toriel, Undyne, monster Kid, Alphys and Mettaton. If you don't, then entire sections the game becomes tedious as you're forced to interact with these characters unless you're doing a genocide run. If you found Papyrus or MK or Alphys annoying, then Snowdin, Waterfall, Hotland will be a chore instead of fun. Even if you don't dislike them initially, any subsequent runs will make them more grating as you're simply mashing the skip key to get through their dialogue.
The art: It's clear that Toby Fox is no artist since for the most part, the environments are really basic and the overworld sprites are simple. The battle sprites are slightly better since the monochrome color scheme and face to face view but they're nothing special. The art style can be jarringly inconsistent because of the different artists designing their own sections: compare the bunny shopkeeper to Temmie or Burgerpants.
Music: If it weren't for the music, most of the game would fall flat. It's extremely well done even though most songs are samples of one another, it's not apparent unless you were listening for it.
Reminder that Papyrus is a public domain villain
http://pastebin.com/f31AJx4J
>/v/ doesn't actually hate Undertale!
The problems with the game are well known to all at this point. Outside a niche of non gamers who love the game because it's popular, the game has nothing going for it.
Compared to something like, say, Cave Story (Which Undertale stole a lot of art and concepts from, actually) the game is very underwhelming.
>>332280375
Why do people like undertale?
>>332294371
You assume too much of the people who like it
>>332294318
Are you serious? Holy shit, I had no idea. If this is real, this supports my theory that Toby stole a ton of assets and ideas from a ton of different, relatively obscure properties.
So how many people here do you think actually believe the viral marketing theory and believe that Undertale=Cave Story?
>>332294569
Not me.
If people think an indie game of any kind is being viral marketed they are crazy.
There are many similarities between Cave Story and Undertale though. Not that they're even close to being the same game. They're very different.
>>332294507
1. Its not stealing if its Public Domain
2. Its probably just a serendipitous coincidence, like who the fuck remembers this one c-list villain from the silver age of comics.
>>332294775
>serendipitous coincidence
I need to stop listening to these fucking retards I call friends
>>332294138
I agree with your first point, pure neutral route sucks since pacifist offers everything the neutral route offers, plus.
But I feel the game heavily skews you into pacifist with all the "don't kill nice things" talk in the ruins, ESPECIALLY Toriel.
Feels like you're supposed to go neutral first, accidentally "crit" Toriel, feel bad about it and restart the game, which is apparent by floweys amazingly spot-on dialogue right after you do that.
Agree with the characters, but I always found them to be at least intriguing.
The art I couldn't care less about.
Music is fantastic and sets the mood for most of the game so it's spot on for what Undertale tries to do. Also being "samples" of each other adds to the experience I find, when you hear the same leitmotif for the ghost song in the Metatton Boss fight, you start wondering why and it turns out it has story relevance.
>>332294371
>the game has nothing going for it
you know someone tried very hard to hate a game out of principle when he can't even acknowledge the neat things Undertale did that barely any game did before, ever
>>332294775
>coincidence
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH WOW UNDERFAG.
Keep on defending this "coincidence"! Hahahahahah
>>332294775
Still making excuses, are you?
Sherlock Holmes is public domain, but characters that were influenced by the character since then (Batman and House, for example) have their own distinguishing features that set them apart from what came before them, while still keeping the core idea.
Fox DOES NOT DO THIS, and instead just copy pastes content he stole from sources that can't, won't, or simply don't realize what he's done.
Because of humor aimed at children and/or spastics from tumblr. This plus the fanatical fans and unnecessarily shitty "muh retro" graphics. It's just another meme game and people treat it like the Second Coming.
>>332295104
Oh I forgot you had autism
Have fun with yourself my dude remember to wear your helmet when you go outside
>>332295071
There is nothing that Undertale has done that better games have not done years ago.
>>332295249
You imply that the reason people like the game is because of the humor and/or graphics. I wrote >>332293703
I do not care about the humor of the game and do not consider it to be one of the game's highlights
>>332295345
UI manipulation
savefile manipulation with direct dialogue consequences
name one game that has these
>>332294318
This is literal theft no matter how you look at it.
>>332295206
So does The Skull absolutely love spaghetti or something?
>>332294318
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!
TONY ALSO STOLE THIS TOOOO!!!!!!!
>>332295206
Completely ignoring the half a metric fuckton of Sherlock Holmes books and characters based on Sherlock that are literally just sherlock with a different name.
>>332294685
Toby just happened to make all the right friends and create an assortment of characters and scenarios that appealed to all the right groups. I don't believe it was a highly calculated move on his part (though he would've been definitely aware of the Furry factor, they were key to the kickstarter success, and his alternate tag for the uncontrollable porn fanart was a literal stroke of genius)
>>332295418
Interface manipulation...? That's really common.
And I believe Nier has some kind of save file manipulation. It's not unheard of.
>>332294318
wow what a rip-off of onepunch man
>>332295517
>trying to dodge the facts that Toby stole a character design
>>332295364
>You imply
Yeah, stop there or fuck off. I was stating my own reasons for disliking the game. I never claimed I understood the minds of this "fandom" or their own reason(s) for liking the game.
>>332295623
>Interface manipulation...? That's really common.
yeah, name one game that incorporates UI manipulation into the gameplay
>And I believe Nier
you believe?
did nier do it better than undertale? Pretty sure it did not
>>332295742
You can't steal a public domain
>>332294318
>I-it's just a homage!!
Sure undercucks... Sure it is....
>>332280375
We don't, the more vocal people don't like it, not everyone. Undertale was the best game I played in 2015 along with The amber throne.
>>332295575
And those characters are shunned for being derivative and uninspired by everyone who cares about the genre.
>>332295517
I can't believe we're having this conversation.
>>332295610
I really think it's more due to the Homestuck fanbase than anything else. The 'new' Undertale that people have been pushing (Stardew Valley) hasn't nearly been received quite as well, even though they're actually quite similar in premise and execution.
Of course, the game's quality is not up for debate. It's trash, through and through.
>>332295434
>public domain
>literal theft
Come back when you're 18
>>332296026
>Stardew Valley
>new Undertale
I don't get it. Do you just hate video games or something? Stardew Valley is fun as shit you dumb nigger
>>332295917
Right, there are countless examples of this kind of thing littered throughout the game.
>>332294318
This is gold
>>332296141
>Earthbound did it first
Kafka did it first
>>332296141
>Underfags call this homage
No. It's not homage. It's theft.
>>332280375
It's a mediocre game that autistic faggots and tumblr fangirls won't stop sperging out over/shoving down everyone's throats. The game is alright, but it's not 10/10 perfect and it certainly doesn't appeal to everyone outside of it's niche.
Kind of like how MLP was mediocre, inoffensive children's cartoon that in and of itself wasn't really all that insulting/disgusting until faggots took it WAAAY too far.
Albeit on a slightly smaller scale.
>>332296128
lol, no it's not.
But that's irrelevant to the discussion. I refer to Stardew Valley as the 'new' Undertale because this is the game that the Undertale audience migrated too after the game's appeal dried up around December. Check their respective Gamefaqs boards if you don't believe me.
Unlike FNAF, these sorts of games won't stay popular for very long without constant sequels to keep fans circlejerking about it.
>>332296147
>hard mode Genocide
>>332296397
Uh-huh, sure. I'll leave you to your insane ranting, have fun.
>>332296141
90% of indie RPGs reference Earthbound in some way. It's practically a requirement.
>>332296362
>It's a mediocre game
>The game is alright
you sperged hard typing that post didn't you
>>332296362
Except everyone inside Undertale's niche is a complete retard. Pic related. Why would anyone take this kind of behavior seriously?
Why are you people arguing with the Barneyfag of undertake instead of shitposting a public domain villain
>>332293587
>>332296591
>the fanbase is retarded!
>so the game is bad!
what's your favorite game, I'll be sure to avoid it
>>332296543
Mediocre implies middling, and is therefore "alright".
Not good or great, not bad or shit. Just "okay".
You're the one who's springing out because you can't into reading comprehension.
>>332296676
Undertale*
Autocorrect is a NIGGER.
>>332296781
I know you know I'm right
The game is good, the music is great, the fanbase is cancer.
>>332296891
aren't you part of the fanbase if you like the game?
I can't say i really hate it, but i do roll my eyes at it these days.
What the fuck was wrong with comics back then
Papyrus hates vampires
bad gameplay
too many "homages"
>>332297829
>literally sitting in the ocean smashing planes and boats
lol
>>332296397
So at this point do people just use /v/ to check for what new game they're supposed to be mad at this week?
For Christ's sake.
>>332288262
then why don't you go back there and stay there?
i don't get faggots that come here to complain about how all these other sites are 100x better yet still remain here and shitpost. you can go, nobody will miss you.
>>332297892
woops meant to quote >>332297647
>>332297892
Apparently there were 2 daredevils back in the day and the one where this character comes from fucking punched Hitler in the face
>>332298521
And he looked like Deathstroke
http://digitalcomicmuseum.com/preview/index.php?did=19272&page=18
Have fun
>>332295820
>did it better than undertale
see that's the problem, because undertale did nothing great with it either. it's mostly some different lines referencing the fact you've restarted the game and such, but the more you play the more you see it really is nothing impressive.
the ui manipulation is also nothing that grandiose, and it happens mostly during 2/3 fights and with asgore "destroying" the mercy option. also, in the flowey fight it's mostly for shock value the first time you play it, the second time it barely affects the fight.
>>332295820
Super Mario RPG, Bowyer pulls out representations of your controller's Y, X, and A buttons. When he shoots an arrow at one of the buttons, its function gets disabled until he hits another button, which re-enables the previously disabled button while turning off the one he just hit.
The Force Unleashed featured a download pack mission, in which the character literally confronts his Dark Side. His special ability is pseudo-randomly changing the function of each keypad, which increases your chances of hurting yourself more than him significantly.
Metal Gear Solid 2's infamous fission mailed scene.
>>332295816
I misunderstood what you wrote anon. My bad. Sorry for saying you did something you didn't. No need to be rude about it though.
http://digitalcomicmuseum.com/preview/index.php?did=19400&page=60
