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>>332277614
console fags and their shitty graphics
>>332277680
It's a photo
DUDUDUDUDUDUDUDU DURRR DURRRR
DAYYTONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Are there any older games that allow me to go group B rally?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INwqyPct8qY
>>332278651
PASSION OF MY SPIRIT
FUSION OF MY ENGINE
TRACTION OF THE TIYAHS
KICKIN' UP THE ROOOAD
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04WYPxRU8QQ
Winger did the soundtrack for Daytona USA 2, but for the soundtrack release they had Takenobu 'ROLLING STAAAART' Mitsuyoshi cover the entire soundtrack
and then on disc 2 they set it out like a day at the races, with commentary from Tom West of the Sega Sports Channel and race noises and everything
I was playing Ridge Racer Type 4 yesterday
It was pretty good
>>332278651
GAAAY BONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE
>>332279134
I added the names mentioned on the soundtrack to the DU2 Wikipedia entry, many years ago. It was removed and called 'vandalism' because the faggot mod couldn't believe 'Johnny Brown of the Chum's Gum Racing Team' and 'New Joke City' was a thing
>>332277614
This image is older than most posters here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzsqx5uXmpA
Are there any recent RPG racing games with deep car customisation like early NFS titles, The Crew, and late Gran Turismo titles, except not old AF, by Ubishit, or console exclusive?
Levelling your car like a character was the bomb.
>>332279832
would explain why nobody gets the motivation behind the post
>>332280104
>early NFS titles
I'm guessing you mean Underground, then.
Do you have Pac-Man car?
>>332280353
High Stakes had a tuning component
>>332277614
God I remember that. Really fucking stupid and it did nothing for F1 in America.
>>332280470
It did, but it was only performance packages (and individual part bias in non-career modes). Your Mercedes 230K still wasn't going to hold up in a race against CLK-GTRs.
>>332280353
Mainly, yeah.
The tuning car genre is dying and it's sad. I need that rice.
Glad you started this thread, OP
No one buy Trackmania Turbo; the multiplayer is hosted Ubisoft servers.It's also a console port of a pc franchise
Fuck everything
>>332280603
>Your Mercedes 230K still wasn't going to hold up in a race against CLK-GTRs
of course not, why would it?
>>332278724
Trackmania2: Valley is strictly rally, but it's on the arcade side of racing games
Was this the F1 race where the tires kept blowing out on a certain turn?
>>332280737
Michelin fucked up, big style, and all the cars with their tyres had to retire before the race proper even started.
>>332280734
Valley looks gorgeous, and reminds me of the coast setting in Trackmania United Forever. I've been really tempted by it. Multiplayer on anything past TMNF is fucked though
>>332280717
Because >>332280104 sounds like he wants something inline with the Underground (and MW+Carbon) games where your starter car could be upgraded more and more and more until you beat the whole game with a Golf/Miata/Corolla.
>>332280737
it was a marketing move, to adapt the F1 grid to the grid sizes typical for simcade racing games
I like F1 in a technical sense, it's like watching astronauts whizzing around in hyper-tuned machines
it's just a shame that a) the sport, like any other, is rotten from the ground up, and b) f1 doesn't seem to have any direction besides 'makes the organisers vast sums of money'
>tfw would probably love racing games if I had a wheel
>tfw don't want to fork out $400 on a wheel
it just doesn't feel right.
why aren't there more arcade racers?
>>332281247
genre's dead. it's all gt simcades now
>>332280353
I miss the hilarious crash physics from the first two NFS games.
>>332281296
>it's all gt simcades
all of this power now and the most arcade stuff we get is mario kart racers
>>332280943
There's tons of other stuff to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brNtbaMadX4
>>332280159
I didn't watch F1 in 2005 and I don't watch it now.
>>332281419
Trackmania Turbo is a thing you know.
>>332281504
but you don't race other people. isn't it just time based?
>>332281504
>barebones time trial press w to win
>fun
Trackmania is garbage.
>>332281489
A normal F1 grid is 20 cars. A normal arcade racer grid is 10 cars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VEsBY2XaW8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukmjVg2lzos
>>332281485
wew
>>332281569
>>332281584
Both of these are wrong, but Turbo is also a crappy Trackmania game.
>>332281698
I've never seen any trackmania footage of anyone racing other cars.
>>332280871
Yeah, it's a damn shame
>>332281868
You don't race against other people, you race against their times. There's no collision, all the cars you see in multiplayer are other players on their own attempts to beat the clock.
>>332281941
>you race against their times
so I was right.
>>332281990
Collision in a game like Trackmania wouldn't work. One guy decides to play bumpercars and the whole field of thirty people would end up stuck before the first loop.
>>332282053
That and the tracks themselves are almost always narrow
>>332281485
>>332281693
NOOOOOOOO
>>332282053
true. Thats why I didn't mention Trackmania when I said i missed arcade racers.
the most arcadey game now is mario kart.
>>332282120
>blatantly ignoring GOAT sonic racing transformed
>>332280927
Froza has had 24 grids since the 360.
>>332280737
This was the 2005 US GP where all the Michelin teams didn't start because of fears their tyres wouldn't be safe.
If you're talking in more recent times the 2013 British Grand Prix was the one where everyone was suffering tyre delaminations
>>332280468
No but I want one
>>332282173
sequel when
>>332282173
I said NOW.
are people still as active on transformed as they were 3 years ago?
>>332281485
Pity that series died and merged with a super shit series.
>>332280468
>car
>not a car plane
>>332282320
Everything dies eventually.
I've been watching old 90's BTCC videos lately. Fantastic stuff.
>>332277614
What racing game has a safety car that comes out?
>>332282305
The latest mario kart is like 2 years old and you were fine with that. What's the cutoff point?
>>332280494
God that race pissed me off. At least Schumacher let Barichello take the win.
>>332282210
>The drivers all wanted to start on safe tires but not compete for points
>F1 is retarded so they weren't allowed
I don't even follow F1 but I remember this being on the news.
>>332282412
>What's the cutoff point?
present multiplayer activity
>>332282412
I haven't touched it in about a year anyway. but I only use MK because that was the last arcade game made.
Or did I miss any in the past 2 years?
Are there any good racing games for PC?
Building muh new gaming rig tomorrow so I need ideas.
Used to to play the shit out of GT4 and Forza on my consoles when I was younger.
>>332282421
Does anybody know what the situation on Schumacher is? He's not dead but he's almost certainly badly brain damaged. I'm not taking the piss or anything, it just seems odd you never hear anything about it.
>>332282578
Dirt Rally
>>332282578
Driver SF
Blur
Split/Second
>>332282471
Fair enough, though I think sonic racers was always pretty dead, I don't think it's sold especially well.
>>332282559
There's none I can think of unless trackmania counts. Too many generic racing sims lately - why can't we have something fun like another burnout or ctr or diddy kong racing?
Finished when?
>never
Still, with GRIP, formula fusion, 90's arcade racer and driftstage due out this year racan is looking to be on the upswing finally.
>>332282421
No he didn't.
That was Indy 2001.
Schumi and Barrichello actually almost collided coming out of the pits which would have been funny seeing a 4 car race with Monteiro winning.
>>332282741
>why can't we have something fun
because the genre thinks it's grown up and is above these things now. Just look at >>332281218 . They'll never understand the concept of an arcade racer
Racing is the only genre that still makes me rage quit at almost 30 years of age.
>Assetto Corsa with controller
>Going okay, but not as well as a wheel would
>Getting penalty of slowing down 10 seconds
>okay.jpg
>Gladly just arrive in a long turn where I have to slow down anyways
>Counter goes to 0, I accelerate again
>Counter goes to 10 again
>Get overtaken on the starting lane by almost everyone
Last time I was this mad was when I played NFSU back in the day on GC, with rubberbanding rivals and random traffic accidents.
>>332282635
He's probably a vegetable, but it's too sad and embarassing to publish.
>>332282987
most successful vegetable in the history of F1
>>332282827
>GRIP, formula fusion, 90's arcade racer and driftstage
oh my, thanks anon, I wasn't aware of these.
also I just remembered I bought fast racing neo on Wii U, and that's as arcadey as you can get. some reason it just isn't that memorable even though its good..
>>332282635
He is severely brain damaged.
His family built a special hospital room at their house with some advance medical equipment to keep him alive but his is essentially pretty brain dead.
You hear report that he "cries at the sound of children's voices" but that is most likely bullshit.
I wish he had died. This is horrible. He is a 7 time world champ. It shouldn't end like this.
>>332282898
This truly is the dark age of homogenized vidya.Not even joking when I say that Nintendo is the only company that seems to still make fun vidya
>>332280871
Oh, seems it's on sale for $10 or $20 for all 3 environments.
Tempted for sure..
>>332282827
>GRIP, formula fusion, 90's arcade racer and driftstage
Thanks for the list dude. Time to get excited.
>>332282935
>Last time I was this mad was when I played NFSU back in the day
Feels good to know other spastics got angry at this game. Random traffic incidents on uphills were the bane of my existence.
>>332282892
*2002
Repaying for switching over at Austria the same year.
>>332283137
probably the reason I still buy nintendo games.
What's the best racing game for me to play initial d music over? I want fast paced and drifting down narrow roads up the ass
>>332277680
>>332278613
lol classic mustard rice
>>332283160
>on uphills
Oh yeah, fucking chinatown hills. Those were the worst.
Although, I replayed it recently on PC (runs like a charm on Win7x64) and actually didn't find it as hard as I found it with 15. As a matter of fact, I was breezing through most of the races and couldn't even detect rubberbanding anymore. Was the PC version different? Because I don't think I have gotten THAT much better at racing games.
>>332283303
Probably one of the Initial D games.
>>332281485
Fucking madmen, GT Endurance Racing is a wonderful thing.
>>332283336
>couldn't even detect rubberbanding anymore
It's there, no changes. It's just not very flexible
forza horizon is as arcadey we're going to get when it comes to actual cars right?
Psst - keep an eye on this for your sanic needs.
http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/showthread.php?9936-Ballistic-NG-Wipeout-fan-project
>>332282827
>Drift Stage
Did they actually fix the physics? Last I tried it, it played like utter and total shit. The inertia was all over the place and you could tell the model jarringly swapping between transitions in an instant. It's a damn shame since I wanted to like the game, but I just can't deal with the utterly horrible gameplay. Especially after playing Outrun 2, which is brilliant and feels like the game Drift Stage should play like.
>>332283724
>transitions
states*
>>332282898
>Stop liking what I don't like.
>>332283987
When what they like is overshadowing the other side of the genre due to being more profitable, with overpriced peripherals and the like, I think it's reasonable to be annoyed about it.
we'll never have a new split second or pacific rift
>>332284267
>pacific rift
Motorstorm was really fantastic and its such a shame that apocalypse bombed so hard (didn't help nature itself tried to stop the game).
>>332282827
Hopefully Wreckfest supports modding if it's ever finished
>tfw no destruction derby 2 remake on wreckfest's engine
Who is the best racing videogame driver? Do people have tournaments to see who can get the best times?
>>332284385
and now driveclub made sony shut down the studio.
>>332284112
>overshadowing the other side of the genre due to being more profitable, with overpriced peripherals and the like
That's manufacturers making buck off people. The games themselves are hardly overshadowing anything.
Ask someone about racing games and they can name the console simcades- Gran Turismo and Forza, no problem. Probably arcadey Need for Speed and Burnout, too. Now find someone who's really into rFactor, or Assetto Corsa, or Race '07, or so on or so forth, and you'll be much harder pressed to find them.
Do people still play Blur online?
>>332284626
There are some tournaments but they are always game specific and they don't happen very often. There are ofcourse online rankings for top times on tracks for most racing games these days.
>>332278724
DiRT Rally has Group B.
>>332285393
>What I expected
>Not Flatout
>>332285498
FlatOut is basically an improved Destruction Derby anyway.
>>332284626
for WRC 5 there was a contest going on for fastest lap times, winner gets a paid vacation to go watch the real WRC
![[gg]_Working'!!_-_01_[49948C2F].mkv_snapshot_17.35_[2011.10.10_01.59.59].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pkLEbh1.jpg "[gg] Working'!! - 01 [49948C2F].mkv snapshot 17.35 [2011.10.10 01.59.59]")
>TM:T has 10/10 visual design, fantastic music and amazing gameplay
>Nearly every feature from TM2 has been stripped down or removed because it's on consoles too
I mean, I'm enjoying it and all, it just seems like a waste.
>People recommending Dirt Rally
>Not RBR
Racing sims only need you to recommend the best of each kind of racer. I don't understand why you would feel the need to recommend the fourth best rally game. Just tell people to play Richard Burns Rally.
>>332282892
>karthikeyan 2nd
>albers 3rd in a minardi
top jej
What games let me race Group C cars?
>>332286447
rFactor with mods
That goes for pretty much any motorsport series on the planet.
If they race it it is probably in rFactor
>>332286447
pcars probABLY
>tfw no rotary waifu
When I get into some real money, the first thing I'll do is get an RX-7 and hoon like an idiot for several days straight
>>332284974
these are all hardcore sims (or claim to be), the polar opposite of the subject. Basically, you just said, in the popular section you only find gt simcades, and in the hardcore section you find tumbleweed. So, where are the damn arcade fun racers in the popular section?
>>332284573
wreckfest is dd 2016, or what's wrong?
>>332286293
You.
I like you.
>>332288382
Its slowly moving towards gran turismo with its focus on proper driving when (in my opinion) it should've stuck with the arcadier feel early builds had. Its why the game feels so slow - you can't push a 2 tonne muscle car around a corner at 150mph in reality but thats what made a lot of the classic demolition derby style games (like destruction derby and demolition racer).
>>332288714
>Its slowly moving towards gran turismo with its focus on proper driving
oh fuck that noise
>it should've stuck with the arcadier feel early builds had
hell yeah, it was finally a feel good crasher in all the simcade trash
Such a shame to hear they fucked up the game.
>>332288876
>oh fuck that noise
There has been some gnashing of teeth on their forums around the previous patch as it turned all the grass o nthe side of the track into ice - the second you touch it you spin. They have reverted it for the current build.
Really wreckfest is shaping up to be a damn solid game, its just not destruction derby 3 or flatout 4 like everyone was hoping for. I still say its worth a pirate (lel early access) to see how its going. Hell if they simply upped the speed and nudged a.i aggressiveness (each patch is making the a.i angrier and angrier) upwards it would result in total destruction on some of the courses.
The rest of the courses though are clearly racan first, damage second which misses the point I feel.
>>332286447
Gran turismo has 3 or 4 group C cars, which you're fucking forced to use in 6.
Who Le Mans Here
reminder 787b is best girl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox2wgHqrNy0
>>332283105
thats depressing
>win thousands of races
>but get in an accident outside of one
the universe has a wicked sense of humor
>>332290059
GT One>7shit7
>>332290879
C11 is where it's at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yh9qLMmt0w
>>332290394
also the accident killed his son
the universe, evryone
>>332291045
uhhhh no
His son was with him at the time but was not involved and is currently doing Formula 4 while his daughter is European horse riding champion or some shit
>>332291224
That's the story they tell him, and you fell for it too
>>332282578Project Cars
>>332286293
Why would you still play RBR when Dirt Rally is better?
Because muh difficulty?
![midnight_club_3_dub_edition_remix__ps2_psp__steam_by_theeverygameproject-d8e3o4o[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/RbwqAAT.png "midnight club 3 dub edition remix ps2 psp steam by theeverygameproject-d8e3o4o[1]")
>NFS still getting yearly sequels
>the Superior game is dead forever
its not fair
>>332291295
m8 the genetics do not lie.
She has like 75% of his face. That is Schumi's chin.
Maybe Schumi wanted to be a women this whole time and used the accident as a cover up to have the operation and is now winning riding medals.
>>332291442
Don't worry, NFS is dead too. The last one was Porsche, in 2000. Afterwards EA was just desecrating its corpse repeatedly
>>332291380
>Worse physics
>Barely any tracks or cars
>Tracks they do have are pathetically short
The question is why are you playing Dirt Rally? What does it do that RBR doesn't?
>>332291571
>porsche 2000
>not Most Wanted 2005
>>332291823
Other anon was right.
>>332291442
HOUSE REAL BIG
CARS REAL BIG
BELLY REAL BIG
EVERYTHANG REAL BIG
>tfw you will never get over burnout being dead
>>332292065
burnout 3 will always be the best
fuck I miss it
>>332291823
Most Wanted is an odd beast, because it mixed the Underground travesty with some of the old NFS 3 locations. It has a slight bit of nostalgia feel, but there's a lot wrong with it. You got ricers and everyday cars in it, the rubberbanding is ridiculously strong, the game has no respect for player failure and consequences. Most Wanted is "the best of the new", if you will, because it borrows from the old. But it's still just a faint reflection of what made the old work so well.
And I say that as someone who did enjoy Underground 2, and what Most Wanted did. They're not bad games, really. They're awful NFS games though, and trampled a lot on what made NFS great.
The best "modern" NFS, if there's such a thing, is Test Drive Unlimited. It's the classic supercars, it's about the beauty of the cars, showcasing them, and the freedom of the road. Sadly, it has plenty of other flaws, and thanks to Ubi killing Eden, a successor is super unlikely. A shame, really.
Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit 2 is still the best NFS
debate me
thats when I first learned about murcielago too
>>332292391
Have you played Hot Stakes? No snark, genuine question. If you haven't, I highly recommend it. The visuals may not be the greatest anymore, but the career system is so well executed, and puts some real sense of accomplishment into the player. It feels very rewarding to actually obtain the more powerful cars, and manage to race them without making dents. It's quite a bit different from single race style of NFS, because you got to, no, want to take care of your car and eventually your garage. It's rich kid amateur street racing done right, without all the unnecessary flashy bling that came later, and without being just a shallow arcade racer
>>332292391
>>332292651
>Hot Stakes
Way to fuck up. Meant High Stakes of course. The Hot is from reading your post.
>>332292651
in my opinion the best need for speed game there is
>tfw finally able to drive the mclaren f1 after all the hard work
>I prefer RBR's hovercraft physics
RBR is old and busted.
Dirt Rally is the future.
>>332292391
That not how you spell Porsche unleashed
>>332293120
>a game from 2005 has the best rally physics ever done in a videogame
Its like when i had to wait like 6 years to see a game with the physics level of the first carmageddon, and i waited for dirt to have the same level of damage as carma 2.
>>332293449
Move aside.
>>332282320
Daytona Prototypes are almost dead though, so there is a shining light even if it's about 10 years too late.
WTSC has been pretty awesome so far this year.
>>332293764
>hot pursuit 1 came with "upgrades"
good
>porsche unleashed came with detailed damage, parts and upgrades
FUCKING AMAZING
>hot pursuit 2 comes with... supercars
FUCK YOU, NOW IM PLAYING MIDNIGHT CLUB AND STREET LEGAL
>underground kicks in
NO OPEN WORLD HOLY SHIT
>underground 2 comes in
DO I REALLY NEED TO MAKE A CLOWN CAR AND TAKE PICS FOR MAGS TO ADVANCE????
>street legal racing redline comes out
streetlegalracingredline.exe has stoped working
Fucking EA shits who cant stick to a plan.
>forza 6 finally got porsches
>it's a DLC
>it costs 20 euros
oh wow
>>332294834
>NO OPEN WORLD HOLY SHIT
so what? NFS worked better without an open world, where every track was themed. Open world is one of the many things they fucked up in Nu NFS
>>332293120
>Muh syrup physics are more realistic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZlIk_JHkug
This is without mods and it still gets more shit right. With mods there's not a single question RBR is better.
>>332295241
>i-t's good with mods i swear!
Stop defending your shit game faggot.
>>332284573
They've mentioned it in a blogpost before but they've been silent for a bit. They go quiet for a while and then release decently sized updates. I'm pretty sure they intend for modding to be a thing, track support through the Workshop, but they don't know how it'll be implemented.
>>332282827
>formula fusion
absolute wank
>>332295405
>All modding is Skyrim joke mods!
There's literally just one thing you need to download and the game becomes perfect. Even without mods when the game is not at it's best, it still rocks better physics and content than Dirt Rally. In fact that comparison video IS unmodded.
>>332295078
Because it was bad implemented.
Take midnight club or street legal racing for example, both have an open city to fuck arround.
Midnight club
>totally open world, you can take the path you want, but you must pass over the chekpoints
>need to find the cars on the streets and give a headlights flash to start the challenge
>with his "fantasy" setting, you can learn and practice jumpcuts and other stuff hidden in the maps, and lets you drive in the city like you were in a movie
Street legal racing and redline.
>you start in 1 garage in the middle of the city
>can buy new or used cars to tune em up
>need to increase rep points to go to a higher tier garage
>go outside on the city on the daylight, and you will find some racers, and police will pursuit you if you do street racing
>go outside on the city in the night and you will see street racing using some random part of the streets to make drag races
>you can still go and ask for a sprint challenge
>can race for fun, for money or for slips.
>it has realistic physics so you have to take care of street borders and little jumps.
Underground 2
>has an open city to fuck arround with it
>races have invisible walls to tell you where to go and casuals use em like in gran turismo to not stop at turns
>need to go randomply placed markers on the city to start challenges, but i can also trigger them by menu, like fast travel.
>forced to do visual upgrades to advance in the career mode
>no worries about damages at all
>need for speed physics lets you make a peugeot 206 that goes 360Kph and clips through the track
Not even mention juiced wich had better use of the open world.
It was shit.
>>332296072
>Because it was bad implemented.
No, because it does not belong in NFS
NFS with "one" location just doesn't work. It's a showcase game, a game to show off cars and locations. It's not a game for a story, or exploration
![1[HT] Hidamari Sketch x Honeycomb 06 (720p,Blu-ray,AAC) [A9311BEB].mkv_snapshot_05.19_[2015.09.03_23.24.42].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0J9VGVS.jpg "1[HT] Hidamari Sketch x Honeycomb 06 (720p,Blu-ray,AAC) [A9311BEB].mkv snapshot 05.19 [2015.09.03 23.24.42]")
Do you even drift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl2VAn5BSA0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zJFjwbzOhE
YOU GOT THE SPEED
YOU GOT THE POWEEER
YOU'RE
CROO
ZEEN
WOOOORLD
>>332278724
Dirt rally, play it anon. youll shit your pants
>The last real Ridge Racer game was in 2006
F
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-rr7-the-1080p-dream-blog-entry
>>332284626
there are GT players who race in le mans as far as i know
>>332296254
Sauce?
>>332281941
>Time trials
>Race against other people's times
This shit is boring as fuck and it kills racing games. I want to race against other cars, not against a fucking clock. Devs really need to fuck off with this shit. Only autistic faggots race by themselves.
>>332282053
Then don't add collision, is that so difficult to do? Just put people to race against each other and let them ghost through each other's cars, how the fuck wouldn't THAT work?
>>332295241
the whole dirt rally physics were reworked after that video was posted
>>332294834
>street legal racing redline
OMG I loved that thing, and with mods it was glorious.
I don't think I played a single race with its awful physics, playing in garage was that good.
>>332296679
>This shit is boring as fuck and it kills racing games
Trackmania has been doing it since day 1, and it kind of carved out its niche, without impacting other racing games.
>Then don't add collision, is that so difficult to do? Just put people to race against each other and let them ghost through each other's cars, how the fuck wouldn't THAT work?
That is exactly what Trackmania does. And in fact one of the racing modes makes everyone start at the exact same moment, and the one to cross the finish line first wins; as opposed to the much more common mode where you get a fixed session time to produce your fastest lap time, and can reset the car anytime.
>>332296673
I'm guessing either GRID: Autosport or GRID 2
Get Autosport, it's mostly superior.
>>332296991
>>332296991
>That is exactly what Trackmania does.
Does it do it in real time? As in you vs. other players there and then? No previously saved ghosts that come with the tracks?
>>332297345
Indeed, all the ghosts are what the players currently do. There may not be super sophisticated netcode though, because hitboxes don't matter, so occasionally they're off by half a second or so. But yeah, every car on the track is another player, where they are right now.
In single player the game does have best times ghosts, but unlike multiplayer cars, they're really transparent grey; while multiplayer cars like just like normal cars, without collision.
>>332296991
Explaining trackmania to people just doesn't work.
They just have to play it and like 5 minutes later they go:
>well of course you would do it this way. how else could you fucking do it?
>>332297345
Yes.
>>332297345
Yes.
>>332297619
if only they had a free version available, that you could instantly download, fire up and play.
Granted, it's been fucked ever since Nadeo tore the community apart. Was fun while it lasted though
>>332296072
>races have invisible walls to tell you where to go and casuals use em like in gran turismo to not stop at turns
Fun fact: that is because of Honda. Honda did not want to be associated with street racing so to appease them (while naturally keeping their cars in the game as the civic is a boy racer car and thus fitting for the game) they slapped in those invisible walls.
They skirted the issue in underground 1 as each track is technically closed.
>>332296184
Minus the crazy stunt this is the sort of thing early NFS evokes for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLK25tv5C3I
>>332298094
One of first thing when I got internet was googling racing cgi (I still love them) and watching this video on google video. I still rewatch it once per some time.
>>332297215
>nothing will ever have the exact perfect balance between arcade and realism as the first GRID
>>332296979
>tfw i lost so many OIL pans that i spend like 200k on them because its the lowest thing on the car.
>mfw i edited the car scripts to rise the engine a little bit, and then the next thing to crash against the floor is the seats.
I made a few mods back in the GER TECH days, shit was awesome as fuck.
the 1st streeet legal had worse issues with the physics.
I've always been a pleb when it comes to racing game, so I never got into it.
however some times ago I played Sega rally 2 and Outrun 2 in an arcade and instantly fell in love (must have put quite a few buck in the machines).
Since then I'm wondering wht game I could try to relieve the experience since they removed outrun from the psn.
I don't have any Sega machines so I tried Ridge Racer on Gamecube but wasn't a big fan, right now I'm playing Gran turismo 1, it's ok.
>>332298989
pirate Outrun 2006 for PC. It looks and plays great. It's removed from PSN and Steam for Ferrari licensing reasons, and fuck Ferrari for being so retarded, as to remove a fucking advertisement people are happily paying for.
>>332298862
I remember I allowed to put V8 to Golf MK3 Combi, removed bonet because it didn't fit and I thought it looked good.
How tasteless I was.
>>332297694
>if only they had a free version available, that you could instantly download, fire up and play.
Is Nations Unlimited Whatever gone?
>>332299239
Trackmania Nations Forever still exists, and I recommend it to people trying to get an idea what Trackmania is like. I was applying some mild sarcasm
>>332278724
I like this poster asked for older games and got dirt rally and trackmaina.
I can't recall any specific games but most rally games have group b cars. I really enjoyed the Colin Mcrae games. Richard Burns Rally is awesome but really sim like.
>>332296254
>*muffled eurobeat in the distance*
>tfw i'm gonna save the racing game genre from the clutches of ea and ubisoft
>>332278724
sega rally 2 has a couple group b cars, colin mcrae rally 1-5 too, rally masters, v-rally 2, rally championship 2000 has no group b cars, but i still reccommend it for having real life stages
>>332300303
what is that?
>>332300303
your pic shows a gt-like car, likely in a simcade. It's therefore useless
>>332300303
It's a project I'm working on.
>>332300954
It's a screenshot from my own project. The car isn't stock, just got one of the basic body kits on it. I'd post one with a wide body and adjusted stance but I should really be working on it instead of procrastinating.
Daily reminder that Feisar is fair.
>>332301218
>The car isn't stock, just got one of the basic body kits on it. I'd post one with a wide body and adjusted stance
It's a car, a stock based car for circuit racing, like simcade. We have a billion, nay, trillion of these damn games, and we're sick and tired of it. Bring some creativity to the plate, or drown in the masses
>>332301498
>we
You?
>>332301498
>Bring some creativity to the plate
IMO people who play the type of racing games I like want cars that somewhat resemble real life ones. I've never been into games with loads of made up bullshit. I'll be letting my players be creative- you can create your own parts externally then import them into the game. then share them with other players. Sure, it's sectioned such as front bumper, wide body, spoiler etc, but theres nothing stopping you completely changing the way the car looks with a kit.
There are some more interesting vehicles available.
Are there any multiplayer-focused racing games for PC that don't require wheel? Wreckfest seems pretty interesting but seems like it will never be finished.
>>332282334
RIIIIIIIIDGE RACER
do i buy nfs on pc or not?
>any rally game
>"200, jump"
>mfw
>>332302369
>buying nfs
>buying anything EA ftm
>>332282578
iRacing. I own Assetto Corsa, Project Cars, Burnout Paradise, etc. I enjoy them all, but if you're in it for multiplayer and competing against other drivers and building towards something, then iRacing is for you.
>inb4 it's expensive
Just buy the cars and tracks you want
>>332302369
I have it on XB1 and it's ok. The worst thing by far is the multiplayer. No actual lobby system, you drive to the race you want then invite players from there. Completely retarded, sure have it as a option for autist wannabe street racers, but have a lobby system too FFS
>>332301748
the posters below are not me, but share my opinion, or have an opinion I can identify with
>>332281247
>>332281419
>>332282264
>>332283137
>>332288714
>>332289135
>>332292065
>>332298989
>>332287858
>Rotary engine
>>332301920
>people who play the type of racing games I like want cars that somewhat resemble real life ones
Not like you can get anything else nowadays. A lot of people don't play these by choice. They put up with the GT bull, because the alternative is playing games from the 90s.
>changing the way the car looks with a kit
So you stick to four wheels and a combustion engine, with some visual mods. How boring can you get? Do you realize that you're tweaking tiny, unimportant details, ignoring the elephant in the room?
I mean, if that's what you want to do, by all means, go for it. I just don't see it being a valuable contribution to present day racing gaming
>>332292258
Weren't the TDU2 servers shit anyway? At least that's what I heard
>>332302475
Also, you can get a 3 month membership for $5 to start
>>332302784
No idea. I actually never played it in multiplayer, and consider the strong focus on its multiplayer one of the many mistakes it made. Fortunately the single player, even though it locked out large parts of the tracks and features, was still very entertaining.
>>332302567
I don't give a shit how many people agree with you please never again use the word 'we' on an anonymous image board
>>332303083
>the concept of "we" referring to anything but the whole set is too confusing for me
>>332300303
keep doing great, Anon.
---a guide on racing sims---
race 07 and all the expansions - good graphics, almost every track i know, lots of cars and options but the collision and oversteer physics are shit
lfs - mediocre graphics and settings, not licensed tracks nor cars but lots of freedom and good physics, basically a drift simulator
forza and gt - mainstream and casual but large online community and muh visual upgrades
iracing - v. good graphics, best physics ever and everything but you gotta pay for tracks and cars and monthly subscription
assetto corsa - overhyped graphics showoff
>>332302610
>talking shit about the best engine type
>>332302728
>They put up with the GT bull
I'm not really sure what you mean by this. Are you referring to Gran Turismo or the Grand Tourer section of vehicles?
>So you stick to four wheels and a combustion engine, with some visual mods
You can change performance too. Engine swaps, suspension tuning. You could take that car, or the rat rod I posted, and turn it into a jacked up off roader.
>Do you realize that you're tweaking tiny, unimportant details, ignoring the elephant in the room?
To a lot of people changing the look and performance of their car is very important. I really don't know what you mean by elephant in the room.
>I just don't see it being a valuable contribution to present day racing gaming
Your entitled to your opinion, but from where I'm sat your the type of player who likes things like Burnout, Wipeout etc. Which is a very different type of game to what I'm making. I've never been into those.
You've also got to remember how much work goes into these games- I don't have the resources to make any type of game I want. This project is achievable, and ultimately, the experience you have with it will come down to how creatively you use the features the game gives you.
>>332278724
Why would you want to drive Group B in a video game?
Group B was "great" because it was one huge safety hazard, both for drivers and spectators. You can't die or injure anyone in a video game. Otherwise it's not really special in any way
>>332303973
>Are you referring to Gran Turismo or the Grand Tourer section of vehicles?
The latter, in particular the tendency to take stock cars, add some performance tuning, and let them out on the "open world" (optional cops) or a closed circuit. That right there describes about 99% of all current racing games.
>You can change performance too. Engine swaps, suspension tuning. You could take that car, or the rat rod I posted, and turn it into a jacked up off roader.
And yet you stay in that 99% segment
>I really don't know what you mean by elephant in the room.
That you're doing what virtually everybody else is doing in the genre at the moment
>Which is a very different type of game to what I'm making
Indeed. Nobody is making these games anymore. You're making what everyone is making, which I consider a missed opportunity. Can't do anything about preference though. So regardless, good luck on getting your game done and to the people.
I think that all arcade racers except for Ridge Racer were shallow and boring.
>>332299210
>not making the duhen 600hp inline 4 AWD monster
That shit was too OP, even for race of champions.
>>332300303
>clutches
>game has no manual
40 KEK´s
>>332304423
>Burnout 3
>Shallow and boring
Dumbass weeb kill yourself.
>>332304169
Not him, but if you want vidya rally with something more powerful than 300hp, you got the B.
>>332282827
>>332295792
>wanking to Formula Fusion
It looks fucking awful, the Kikestarter backers is turning on them (read Steam forums), resembles nothing like Wipeout, the "ex-Wipeout" latching is somewhat false and pathetic, and users from WipeoutZone made a better game themselves than whoever these fucking hacks are.
Good god you guys have bad taste.
at what price would you buy the new NFS? given the reviews and opinions of most, id probably buy it for 30inb4 piracy
>>332304316
>The latter, in particular the tendency to take stock cars, add some performance tuning, and let them out on the "open world" (optional cops) or a closed circuit. That right there describes about 99% of all current racing games.
Ok, I understand now. The obvious come back to that is, this type of game is very popular, but no game is yet to truly capture the spirit of modified car enthusiasts.
>That you're doing what virtually everybody else is doing in the genre at the moment
I think the USP of my game is mainly it will be centered around user created content. And not just liverys or "skins" but actual physical modifications. Sure you could just make a new bumper, but you could go all out and create your own mad max style car. No racing game I'm aware of is built ground up to allow users to be so creative with their cars in a open environment (i.e. not closed track).
>You're making what everyone is making, which I consider a missed opportunity. Can't do anything about preference though. So regardless, good luck on getting your game done and to the people.
I think there are still lots of "fantasy" racers out there. Carmageddon reboot, Rocket League, Driftstage etc.
Never the less it's interesting to have another opinion. Thanks for that, and thanks for wishing me good luck.
>>332292651
>>332292750
I'd play Need For Speed III.5 Hot Steaks
>>332304631
I'm just too big licensed cars whore to play with game's original vehicle. So mods was the only way.
>>332304712
My game does actually have manual w/ clutch shifting if that's your bag.
>>332305072
>but no game is yet to truly capture the spirit of modified car enthusiasts
If you have indeed found a niche that you believe is unexplored, go for it
>Thanks for that, and thanks for wishing me good luck.
I may have worded it a bit aggressively, but at the end of the day you're creating something, which is cool enough in itself. Keep it up.
>>332305229
>there wont be a force feedback clutch ever
That will be the killer for me allways.
>>332277614
>winner of previous race is in front
>everyone celebrate when he is winning because... he is on the front from start
>>332305440
Doesn't Fanatec make one?
>>332305528
Well, there is qualify session, so they always have chance to start first.
>tfw replaying Carbon again for first time in years and realising how fucking shitty it is
Not looking forward to Pro Street now.
>>332305807
I actually liked Pro Street. Customisation was pretty rad, and they actually translated drag racing into fun game rather then 3,2,1, accelerate. One of the better modern NFS games.
>>332305807
Pro street 2 with realistic physics mod gets better than any average need for speed, in how you feel the driving, it also remove any rubberband, its the worst thing they ever invented.
>>332305440
>>there wont be a force feedback clutch ever
Really? I guess your leaning more toward a full on simulation than a video "game" with that kind of thing.
>>332280908
>Miata
>implying one of those can't compete with sooper cars with enough racing modifications
Eventually they're all just a shell carrying high power and mad grip
>>332277614
fuck yeah racing games
Whats everyone think to Forza Apex coming to PC? Cut down, P2W cash grab? Or testing the water for future release and Horizon 3 coming to PC?
>>332305687
>Checked Fanatec website
>Only 1 wheelbase and pedal type on there now
When did that happen?
>>332297032
That game would be the best in VR.
Fuck the wagglan gimmicks, give me the headset, my wheel, and the game. Naturally look ahead in turns and see shit go by in realistic 3D
Has anyone played Cel Damage HD, and if so is it a good re-release?
>>332306508
I've replayed it on gamecube recently, and while it's still fun it's kinda hard to see your screen in multiplayer.
>>332306114
>1080° wheel
>H shifter
>analog handbrake made out of a cheap wheel axis
>racing seat
>triple monitor and now saving for VR
The last 2 things i need are:
>force dynamics racing seat to simulate up to 2g of force
>clutch with force feedback to feel it like an actual clutch and learn about the friction point
All this shit exist for consumer use, its not posted on IGN all day as RAZR or the "vault" for the 360, but you can pretty much do a very seroius racing sim this days with all this.
Add good sims like rfactor 2 and you are pretty much done.
The real differences with F1 super secret sims are
>sim calculations are controled by a server made of 12 computers so the are alot more
>sim telemetry because they cant do real practices
>sim accuracy because they can suspend the cockpit in a floating giant hand inside a hangar and simulate 5g of forces.
Brakes also deserve its own Force feedback pedal, you could feel when you just touching the disk and start to make pressure.
I want a racing game that is a little more realistic than say wipeout or mario kart but still has dumb bullshit like powerupsI miss blur
>>332306508
Oh man, I forgot about this. Was a lot of fun.
>>332306954
>and simulate 5g of forces
How do they do that? Flipping the seat completely downwards, backwards or sideways only gives you 1g. If you do it quickly, you briefly get more, but not, for example, lengthy lateral 5g turns.
>>332306165
Yeah, the Miata chassis is stupid good. Small, light, RWD, great weight distribution, oh and cheap with an insane amount of parts for it. There's a reason you see a ton of them in amateur motorsports.
>>332307120
I want a racing game like wipEout that does not coat the cool arcade racing with powerups
>>332307120
>pc?
havent you played carmageddon 2? or Midtown madnes 1 and 2?
old, but good
>ps2 or a 3?
Midnight club might be your answer.
3 dub edition for the ps2 and LA for ps3
>>332292391
most wanted 2005 it is
>racing games
just go outside and drive your car
>>332307610
cant drive fast anon, also my car doesnt go over 120 mph
>>332307831
>my car doesnt go over 120 mph
off a cliff it will
>>332307176
this is from ferrari
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shdS-hynLHg
the one in the early pic is more like the shown from red bull, but those are broght in the truck for show, no one talks about the details of the sim, they all say the same, its the car cut in half, you get in and feels the same, and looks pretty similar, more from a technical point than a visual poin, key references to keep the race line or how to avoid certain areas.
That force dynamics can do a shake of 2g, but not a constant force, that arm in the other hand, can change its axis and rotate to generate as much force as they want, and apply it in every direction.
>>332291045
You're thinking of Colin McRae
>>332290879
>playing gt3 on ps2
>modding the GTone
>breaking the sound barrier on test track
Good times
>>332308013
ok, that arm I fully believe, that explains it, thanks.
That would be some next gen arcade shit. A room full of that, 10 bucks for a practice session and you'd have people lining up all around the building
>>332307610
I fucking hate this logic.
with my sim i can drive cars i will never have the money to buy like a BOCATTI VIERON, drive cars that i will never be able to touch, less drive it like Senna´s mp4-4 or any historic GP. And drive those cars in roads i will never put a step on, or roads that they dont exist anymore.
With the money i spent on it, i will only buy a cheap FF daily drive econobox, and i wont be able to go faster than a twingo.
I know its not 100% real but also, its not just a game, cars handle mostly like the real ones.
>>332291442
Is Midnight dead? I reckon they'll make a new game soon.
>>332291626
>>Worse physics
worse in what way, not overly difficult for the sake of being difficult?
>>Barely any tracks or cars
RBR has like 6 cars, which all behave exactly the same, and an extra FWD car, which is useless
>>Tracks they do have are pathetically short
as if RBR has long stages
>racing games
>good
You must be over 18 to post here.
>>332308905
RBR has mods of all the championships up to 2014 if i remember right.
>>332308905
>not overly difficult for the sake of being difficult?
I loathe sims with a passion, but that's dishonest. Real life racing physics are fucking hard, no way around it. Nobody's greasing the virtual tires just to fuck with you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FstXpvGzxZI
>>332309036
>I'm bad at games, so they're bad
>>332296254
DEJA VU
Anyone else remember this gem?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uatTxYBtqfU
>>332307610
I own a gun, I don't consider that a substitute for playing a shooter.
>>332309036
Go back to /n/ with your spandex fags doing the tour of france fagget.
There will never be a decent bicicle game, ever.
>>332308639
>Is Midnight dead?
I think it is. This game struck a good balance between fun/somewhat based in reality physics and racing, plus customization. Drifting around 90 deg corners at 140 in a Supra. It was hard as shit though, never finished it.
Why am I so fucking shit in this game? I can't finish a single race in first and only got 2nd like three times. It's mostly either the third place or 4th.
I can't even finish a single course of hillclimb either.
>tfw the Ridge Racer series will never have a good game ever again thanks to the Ridge Racer Vita game that was full of DLC and had zero content
>>332304169
The speeds and the massive fucking power combined with very low weight. Those cars fucking flied.
>>332306082
>pro street 2 with realistic physics mod
What? There was no Pro Street 2. Are you talking about Shift perhaps?
>>332296378
Ridge Racer Type 8 is just taking a long time bro
>>332309817
>Why am I so fucking shit in this game?
You aren't. The game just doesn't take it for granted that everybody playing it must win races instantly, and instead conveys that racing is a difficult thing. It's expecting you to learn and improve. So do yourself, and the game, a favor, and learn, and improve. When you eventually do win, it'll be so much more rewarding
So why is nobody playing this game? I finished the carreer and it was loadsafun desu.
Why doesn't this have a competitive scene like Assetto does?
>>332310067
Fuck my brain, it was shift 2 unleashed.
>>332309817
Where do you made most of the mistakes. care to elaborate? might help
>take every turn too slow
>hit the inner to hard and crash
>go to wide and crash
>spin out
>cant control the car at all
>>332299146
Ryo in Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed drives an Outrun cabinet showing a censored Testarossa
You can't make this shit up
>>332310315
The car in the 3DS remake is not a Testarossa either. Different badge on the rear. Same reason
>>332310437
Do you know for certain of the licensing issue is in the badge or the likeliness of the chassis? Why didn't they just debadge the one in Transformed?
>>332309057
>Real life racing physics are fucking hard, no way around it.
shit on me for not providing source, but there have been reviews of RBR that included real rally drivers' opinions, and they said it was more difficult than actual rally driving
>>332309817
Acquire additional skill, with enough practice you'll "get it" and easily start pulling on the AI. Also some car/stage combinations are definitely harder than others, racing the modern cars in Finland is really unforgiving while Group B in Sweden will have you shitting all over the AI even with several spinouts along the way
>>332310162
Yeah but the cars handle as if they were on an ice rink. The top driver is making some ridiculously fast times, that are literally impossible to pull off even if I take risks and drive fastwhich usually ends up with me crashing. I'm always like 20 seconds behind the first time.
>>332310287
Well I can handle the car if I actually care, at least as far as regular cars are concerned. When it comes to the pikes peak cars I literally can't handle them, even if I set the car to be relatively stable when cornering.
Other than that, I don't know what I'm doing so wrong. Sometimes I do sectors with having time ahead but eventually finish being some 15 seconds behind the first.
>>332310287
>Fuck my brain, it was shift 2 unleashed.
>realistic physics mod
So... Project CARS?
>>332310552
Ferrari is famously anal about licensing and the brand image in general. Merely debadging it will have the Maranello lawyers hound your ass anyway, and you might even get additional stick for "defaming their brand" or some shit like that. It's easier to not even go there and censor it instead
>>332277614
I can't see why people aren't even talking about the car porn that's gonna be out soon
Do people still play this?
>>332310552
The licensing issue is with the usage of Ferrari trademarks, I don't know anything beyond that. Ferrari has been moderately pissed at Sega for using a Testarossa back in 1986 without licensing it. Supposedly took a lot of begging to get them to agree on OutRun 2. I doubt they ever got a retroactive license for OutRun. The different badge and blurred car are probably just two different ways towards the same goal.
>>332310926
>free to play
>only 60 cars
>locked behind the windows 10 windows store
It's shit.
>>332310889
Why is simply rebadging it okay in the 3DS Outrun? Was it not actually a Testarossa or a representation of it?
>>332311003
>implying people won't pirate it and give all-car unlock as well as start modding in cars from the console Forzas
>>332310926
That's not car porn, that's just your run of the mill simcade. TDU was car porn
>>332311070
>implying they will
>>332311003
>narrated by famous people from different car shows, like Top Gear
>More cars to be added later
>Actually has to earn cars through competition
>>332309817
>group B in greece
>group B in wales with rain and night
>>332311047
The car has been slightly altered in general, so while it resembles a Testarossa it legally isn't one. The car in the original OutRun is an outright copy
>>332309646
MC:LA had to be patched due to the level of bullshittery coming from the a.i. Even the first few races were usually won by fractions of a second due to the insane level of rubberbanding. I actually beat the game before they reduced the difficulty and let me tell you I nearly destroyed my controller in the process (wearing the buttons out yo).
Same thing happened to wipeout HD - the time trial gold times were originally the passing grade until a patch which introduced gold, silver and bronze because players were getting massively stuck going through the campaign.
>>332309817
>>332311196
>feels like a year has gone by
>still only 15% off
>>332311102
Forza Motorsport is as car porn as you can get. The goddamn autovista mode and those commentaries to each car, showing off different little features and details. God damn I remember Forza 5 having literally the most realistic car paint I've seen. And now we get this without the shitty xbone hardware. All in 4k.
>>332311314
They reduced the fucking difficulty?
God damn I remember how retardedly hard this game was. And getting a single new car or even an upgrade was such a grind.
Also the physics sucked. But it was as close as we could get to having an NFS: Underground 3
>>332311389
> those commentaries to each car,
NFS II (and possibly III, I forget) was great for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpTrzjvZfiQ
>>332309817
So why is this game so ugly? The cockpits look 2011 or worse.
>>332311545
have they used famous people for the commentary in NFS 2/3?
>>332310787
Now yes, back then was a more visual experience than rfactor 1, it was a better sim, but never aimed to get the best graphics, and i liked to make racing designs (gulf porche or martini racing) in GT3 class cars.
>>332310652
Depends alot of the type of car and the "setup" that the games alows you to do.
The most important thing to learn in any AWD car is the nordic trick, the scandinavian twist, its just wave the car to have a sharper whip. find youtube vids abou it.
later, you need to know how much countersteer is actually needed.
Short annswer is none, you need to keep the car drifting but with the wheel centered, not countersteer as regular drifting, because the front wheels will also be pushing, so the first thing it happens is that you lost controll and the shit start to shake out of control if you countersteer as regular drift.
When you mix that "nordic trick" (just timing the drifting like a mix of arab drift and very agresive japanese drifting) and the no countersteer technique, you can manage 1000 HP AWD monster with no issue
The most easy thing to play is the torque split, try to send it to the rear to start, and you will feel the car more like a MR (honda nsx or the old group B RWD cars)
I used to make rally guides on GTplanet on the gt4 era. Good times.
>>332311505
>They reduced the fucking difficulty?
It was in the first major patch (not counting the day one patch iirc). Allegedly the a.i is actually unstoppable and will plow clean THROUGH traffic when rubberbanding.
>>332311606
You want to use your cycles for the physics
>>332311196
>wager event
>let's go with the max bet, I've got this anyway
>Lancia 037, Kontinjärvi, morning/rain
wow GRIP looks super sick
I might try some racing sims too. I already spent a bunch of time and money on air combat and space sims so why not.
But racing fullsized cars outside illegal street racing sounds retarded to me. Is there any reason to prefer playing those games over F1 games?
>>332311545
NFS Hot Pursuit (the new one) also did this. All narrated by a sexy female voice.
https://youtu.be/8gX2nFG7gZk?t=3m44s
>>332310949
probably a couple
>>332311686
Is the scandinavian flick even doable if I'm playing on a 360 controller?
Go download NullDC and play this - a great racing game that goes unloved (don't bother with the ps1 version, the DC version is far superior).
>>332311914
That is because HP 2010 is basically criterion's love letter to the original NFS game.
>>332311545
>that guy's voice in NFS 2 and 3
>those track descriptions in NFS 3
>>332311705
Fuck me I should've given that game another chance then.
>>332311839
http://codemonkey.me.uk/rollcage_extreme.php
http://www.codemonkey.me.uk/rollcage_redux.php
>>332311783
Project CARS and Assetto handle more advanced physics and they look better.
>>332306286
I love forza 6 as much as the next guy, but ti's way too easy to get in front and dust the compeitition, not sure why as soon as you get in 1st they seemingly slow the fuck down
I wish The Crew was good
>>332312241
I'm not gonna lie, I actually enjoyed Hot Pursuit a lot. It was the last good NFS imo.
The rapid response missions with supercars converted to cop cars, in rain and at night with the good music was quite the experience.
tfw it will be like 10 years before I can afford a PC that can power VR with decent graphics
>>332309817
You should know this already, but slower is often faster. Taking a corner smoothly with a good line takes much less time than being too fast, overcooking it and having to do a slow ass 90 degree turn.
Also learn to love the handbrake. Don't go overboard with it, but it makes the hairpins and acute corners a breeze
>>332312559
Me too lad, I was so excited for that game when it was announced.
But then it just
Shat itself
>>332312559
The Crew is what happens when you force TDU devs to do a Nu NFS clone
>>332312559
Sucks, because I really liked the idea of cross country racing.
>>332312257
I really wish I could get NFS III/road challenge working on win10. I somehow (using arcan sorcery) managed to get it working with community patches on win7 but for me the games absolutely refuse to run on win10.
>>332312570
The game looks jaw-dropping when played at 4k.
FUN FACT: while the game (at least on consoles) runs at 30fps internally the engine renders at 60fps. Its why the game has fuckall input lag. Eurogamer did a piece on it.
>>332312512
Blame the downloadable ai.
Previous Forzas had a weird difficulty setting where you were either leaving opponents in the dust, or getting your ass kicked hard. Nothing inbetween really. I mean the AI wasn't really even racing you, they were just racing their scripted race.
>>332312607
I don't know, anon. I've been really good in PCARS where it was all about carefully executing every corner but here I just can barely control the car, let alone think about how I'm gonna attack the corner.
>>332312751
Try Forza Horizon 1 or 2. Open world racing doesn't get any better than that.
>>332312751
Me too, shame the racing isnt all that fun
>>332312910
I would if I had an Xbox
>>332313069
The 360 is dirt cheap now, anon.
>>332311545
first, second, Hot Pursuit, High Stakes, Porsche Unleashed, all had commentary
no celebrity voices though
>>332310236
P-please anons. Can we talk about this game?
>tfw no aero-engined truck super long range endurance racing games
>>332312827
Eh, I guess you just need more practice then. It's jarringly different compared to racing on smooth, grippy circuits.
Oh yeah, what are you using to control the game?
>>332313069
microsoft is realizing they have an audience on PC with releasing the forza 6 thing on PC, so who knows, if they see success in it maybe they'll make horizon 3 available on PC when it comes out. I sincerely doubt it because it would hurt their console sales but they had the original gears of war and halo on PC and people loved that
why are there so many racing games but they don't seem to be popular. Because they're easy to make?
I'm too dumb to decide which one to buy
Why was this so fucking bad? I've had it for months and I really can't bring myself to finish it.And the PC port is horseshit to top it off.
>>332313623
A 360 controller. I heard the game was mighty playable with it but apparently they changed the handlings sometime ago and I only got the game just now...
>>332313791
Racing games are repetitive by nature and the current ADD gaming crowd doesn't get drawn in by it.
>>332306286
>shit driving
>racing line turned on
>>332313794
Reminds me I pirated NFS rivals and I felt ripped off.
>>332313810
I'm using a 360 controller too and I can usually wail on the AI pretty easily. If you're using traction or stability control, try turning them all the way off
>>332277680
Better graphics dont make a better game
PC gets dominated by consoles when it comes to racing games
>>332312189
From what i understand, its the best solution to make a car drift with a pad, ill explain it the best i can.
>with a D pad and you need to turn to the left, wheel rotation is 35°
When you turn the dpad to the left, even if you fully push it, the wheel wont turn 35°, it wil slowly set in the best turning angle to avoid spining or understeer
But when you countersteer the D pad instantly responds and goes up to those 35° of rotation in half second. This will also apply to any wheel without force feedback
>force feedback wheelsame as before
when you turn the wheel to the left, it wont matter if its too much or not enoguh, the wheel will turn what you are telling them to, this gives you total control of the car, and what do with the wheels
So, add the canned physics that knows where you are on the track, and "helps" you out making you easier to turn or altering the physics it self to let you stay on race (this is mostly what separates the simcades from the fully arcades), and you will have a problem.
But here is where that drunk skandinavian fuck nails it, even in videogames with shit physics.
imagine the same situation, turn to the left with a Dpad again, following pic.
now, the game is expecting your first turn to apply that "helping" force with the wheel angle, but you release the gas and if you need extra twist, a little handbrake, despite how much the game will help you, you will oversteer(red mark), but now, you have full control of the angle towards the inside, and you will put it to the max for a little, untill the car has the same line as the exit (like shown on the third box or the yellow mark) and then place the car where you want if you need little corrections, put the wheel straight and then go full speed after the green mark.
Rally of argentina is use to be made of loooong straights, because wine roads and shit, there you have a place to test it. the car has some "weight" despite you use a Dpad, you need to push it a little further.
>>332314089
Only ABS here. Maybe I really do suck. Or maybe it's just that the 70s cars aren't all that good for me. Ah hell...
>>332313794
Tried getting the Underground audience back and it didn't work out.
Only pro I'll give it is the music selection for the garage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okQRBL8tuZc
![Need_for_Speed_Carbon_Game_Cover[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OEA4iEZ.jpg "Need for Speed Carbon Game Cover[1]")
YOU KNOW I HATE TO ASK
BUT ARE FRIENDS ELECTRIC
ONLY MINES BROKEN DOWN
AND NOW I'VE NO ONE TO LOVE
>>332314519
Too bad you could only hear the OST in solo races and free roam.
>>332277680
im sorry to hear about your dysfunctional eyes
THIS IS A 21ST CENTURY EXODUS
>>332311389
>All in 4k
>implying it wont be locked to 60 FPS because muh sim
>implying anything less than a titan will run it at 60 FPS in 4k
Seriously deluded if you think anything but the latest hardware will run that shit at 4k@60 senpai.
>>332314309
What 70s car are you driving? They're actually some of the harder cars to control, especially the Lancia which makes even experienced drivers sweat bullets. Compared to them the 80s BMW is heavenly to drive, it's so smooth and forgiving
When you no longer go for gap that exists, you longer racing driver.
>>332297215
>wow this webm is cool
>yeah anon you should get this game that has nothing to do with the webm
autosport is NOT what people are looking for, it's a wannabe srs racing simulation that fails at being one. It's not fun stuff.
>>332314274
I tried doing it with the controller but it's impossible.
>>332315097
I found the Fiat 131 drivable the most.
>>332315000
So? It doesn't change the fact that you're gonna have it working with actual AA as well as the menu details in-game, which is something Xbone can't do.
And who needs more than 60fps? The oculus fags?
would it be viable to use a airplane style throttle for the car throttle and then a joystick to control the steering? (since I already own a HOTAS)
>>332315190
This. Autosport was shit. It was literally a GRID 2 with pseudo-realistic handling. The cockpits were a fucking fail, and so was the handling. GRID1 wasn't really realistic but it was fun and unforgiving sometimes. Autosport is just shit and hard.
staying in control while the road wants to buck you off in finland isfun.
>>332315794
>paul walker tries his hand at rallying.webm
>>332315196
Then play with the setup, Its the last solution,
>set torque to the rear, like 25%F 75%R
>set rear springs softer than the front ones
>If you have toe angle , set the fron to the highest negative and the front to the highest possitive.
Meanwhile on PC Trackmania Turbo has several 100 player servers and is all around a great game.
>>332316193
>1100 in game
this fucking shill
>>332316193
I want this so bad but I can't bring myself to spend that much on it after tm^2
>>332306508
When did that happen
>>332315337
Think you missed the point desu senpai. I was just pointing out running a game like that @4k/60 will need some serious hardware, that most normal folk don't own. I'm not saying you'll need more than 60 fps, I'm saying the game will be locked to it for physics calcs, so if it runs slower than that it'll probablly automatically down your res to fit your hardware. With the right hardware, sure, it'll look great, but is it the same game as the Xone? Nope. It'll be a P2W shit fest senpai.
>>332306954
what do you mean "learn about the friction point", don't you have a car?
>>332316528
Anon the point is that you CAN run it in 4k. You CAN see those cars look super beautiful. But even in 1080p/60 this game is still great. Even if it's a p2w shitfest. I wanna play SP only anyway, so there'll be some unlockers for the paid shit for sure.
why did /v/ hate ridge racer in 2006?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCbBBTH-cGI&index=2&list=PL7F00043F58601D1E
>>332316615
I drive a car and a bike, the clutch has a point when it stop slipping and start to get grip, you will feel a little shake and a difference in pressure, what i ment was learning that in cars you never drove.
We can post grid 2 webm's now without people being autistic about it?
>>332317770
Why would you be autistic about it?
>>332317832
Whenever I posted grid 2 stuff people seemed to hate the game with a passion.
>>332317770
>>332317832
Its scalextric levels of grip in dirt or snow triggers my autism, hard, grid is more like the old days of toca race driver 2, i can tolerate that.
>>332317770
>dat squirrel
>>332317832
Because it collectively shat on the semi-realistic nature of the previous game and the difficulty level was laughable.
>>332318061
I think its to do with how much easier drifting/more arcadey grid 1 was, people moved to 2 and couldn't do it as easily and got pissed off.
is the new need for speed any good?
how's the pc port?
Anyone else still play Dirt 3? I just really like that aesthetic, it reminds me of the early day Tony Hawks games in a way I can't really explain
>>332319110
I really liked Dirt 3.
Until you were forced iNTO THA TUCKCING FBULLSHIT GYMHAAKANANANA BULL SHIT
FUCK
KEN
BLOCK
>>332318739
>simspeed Tied to framerate
>game is 30fps
>unlock to get 60 fps
>everything is SANIC FAST
I think you better find other games anon, even revisit older ones is a better idea than the last 3 need for speeds.
>>332319265
>simspeed tied to framerate
really? haven't they learned from that last one?
oh yeah, i love racing games. I'm surprised nobody's listed this one yet
Is this an actual game yet?
>>332319384
>iCarly
The fuck
>>332286054
My thoughts exactly. I want to make some really cool rollercoaster-style levels that are about the experience rather than being difficult, but i feel like i have no incentive to do so.
>>332296254
What game is this?
>>332319347
>EA
>learning something usefull
KEK.
>>332319393
Its like assetto corsa with netkar pro (its an early version of it self, wich was a ball of bugs)
This game is an improvement of rig of rods, wich has the same physics details, but the game was a ball of bugs, still no force feedback option, so im not even interested.
Same with spin tires.
>fucking superdetailed physics
>keyboard or 360 pad are the only control options.
This trigggers me fucking hard.
>>332316312
Is that from uplay or steam?
Because most of my buddies bought a direct uplay key.
>>332319207
I liked it but I was good at it, I certainly don't think it should have been forced however, rally and x games should have been completely seperate
I just want a new fucking Rock And Roll Racing.
>>332281941
>>332296679
You do race against other cars in multiplayer.
They just don't have hit detection, probably because you can have up to 100 players at once. You should try the demo.Or not
this game was fucking awesome
>cars
>customizations
>music
>handling leaning towards sim
>fucking interior view
>music
too bad the career mode was short, this game was da bomb
>>332321486
THESE ISSUES
PIN ME TO THE FLOOR
THESE ISSUES
ARE MY OVERLORDGoddamn that OST was weird as fuck
>>332321486
The main menu UI in that game was pretty dope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0mZldBbO1k
The first Shift had a neat set of ambience themes too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05jwRvH8wmc
Combat Racing > Racing
>>332321486
>>332322271
>>332322338
The three mixes to each song was a phenomenal fucking idea. Goddamn this game may have not been exactly realistic but it sure as hell felt realistic and immersive. Helmet cam was a perfect idea.
>>332322338
Cinematic > Gladiator > Dirty > Originals
>Racing games
>You always start at last place
how is this fucking fair
>No new SF RUSH ever
I'll never love again
>>332322685
Maybe if you're a faggot.
Gladiator > Originals > Cinematic > Dirty
>>332322562
>FOV starts to blur as you go faster
>driver begins breathing heavily after recovering from a crash
>>332311070
You can't pirate games from win store it's even worse than denuvo
>>332322746
it's a crutch for devs who can't program good AI.
The GRID series is awful for this.
>>332322926
>actually liking the source songs
New FUEL game when
>>332322942
>the colors fade when crash
>driver looks to the apex of each corner before turning
Project CARS brings this back to some extent but it's not the same thing desu.
>>332323026
Cinematic and Dirty sounded generic as hell.
Baysted ftw
>>332322818
My brothers, a friends of ours and I have this inside joke about this piece of garbage being the greatest music ever composed.
https://youtu.be/fm0Mg0T2Sl0
Is fun all around. It's one of those things that's so terribly fucking awful it's kinda good. Almost feels like they purposely tried to make it sound bad.
>>332322746
>playing F1 2005 for ps2
>decide to do the full thing 2 practices, 1 qualy and a 100% laps race
>racing a minardi you start from the bottom
>practices goes pretty good, im 10th
>Free track to qualy
>made the perfect lap
>2nd is 1 and a half seconds behind
>win australia because AI is retarded on turns, even on the hardest difficulty, they compensate on straights going too fast, but i keep em at bay
>same thing with malasya and bahrain
>leading the championship after 3 races with a huge difference despite being the shittiest car on track
>then decided its too shit and abandon the game
>years passed
>about to run f1 2012 on carreer mode (i knew it was not a sim, but whatever)
>the same fucking thing, but this time with marrusia, wining austrailia
>race ends
>PRESS TIEM
>they start to ask retarded questions and its like oblivion talk, half text, and half talking
>respond as the most arrogant dickhead
>>332323953
Wait, what? F1 has conversations, with multiple responses? A fucking racing game with an RPG element?
Anything similar to ChoroQ?
I've been playing The Crew off and on for a month now. It's quite a fun racing game. The endgame is a bit grindy though.
>>332281504
>that webm
Now post the 733 fail+retries.
these games are awful
>>332324791
Annoys me that your forced into having some shitty kit on your car when you up the performance. Grindy as hell upgrading your car. Gameplay is fun for a while though, even to just drive around, it's huge and looks half decent. That a PC screen?
>>332291045
That was Colin Mcrae
McRae died on 15 September 2007 when his helicopter, a Eurocopter AS350,[21] crashed 1 mile (1.6 km) north of Lanark, Scotland, close to the McRae family home.[22][23] McRae's five-year-old son Johnny, and two family friends, Graeme Duncan and Johnny's six-year-old friend Ben Porcelli, also died in the crash.[24][25] McRae's previously active website, ColinMcRae.com, was later replaced with a memorial screen stating a few details about the crash, and then with a short statement released on behalf of McRae's father, Jimmy,[26] and later a book of condolences.[26]
So lads, what car are you going to get once you finally land that "real" job?
>>332307610I'm too scared. I'm 24 and still dont have a license
>>332309036
Actually that fits you better
Any non-manchild would know racing games are goat
>>332326102
RB9
I just want a game like split/second again. An arcade racer where shit is exploding everywhere and the track changes each lap and shit. Though if it had takedowns like in Burnout it would be even better.
>>332326102
Will always be my dream car
>>332317102
I know what it is, I just assumed it's the same things in all cars. I've driven lik 10 cars on a daily basis and while it takes some days to get used to, it's always the same stuff, I don't see what there is to "learn" about the friction point as a concept.
>>332310949
I still am, so fun it's refreshing in a sea of simcade, "muh photorrealism" games.
>yfw MotorStorm Pacific Rift will never ever get a sequel, and probably not even a remaster
>>332278613
He knows.
>>332286054
What's actually missing from the game? This is my first Trackmania because I primarily play on consoles. It's fucking brilliant as far as I can see, but then I don't really know what I'm missing I suppose.
Is GRID worth it? It's 1.99 bong on greenman right now.
>>332282672
You win. It's the first time I see anyone on /v/ recommending Blur, let alone Split/Second.
Based Anon.
>>332327673
It is.
>>332325838
>Codemasters series named after guy
>guy dies
>series changes name to Dirt
a sad tale
>>332326965
>>332327747
Split/Second and Blur came out around the same time, but I feel like I'm the only person who prefers Blur?
>>332327597
>Muh photorrealism
This is kiling the fun of racing games. I could nit give less of a sghit for brand names if I'm in an arcade racer.
>>332328056
Nah, Colin McRae Dirt 1 came out a few months before McRae's death.
>>332326102
Something old, with muscle and shit gas mileage, because no "real" job will be able to put me behind the wheel of acountach
>>332329178
Old Lamborghinis really are sex
yo dawg I heard you like spooky 90s synths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTxKyhntay4
>>332328056
I can understand that. Licensing for living people is a matter of just finding someone who loves the sport and would love to have their name on a game with a little money on the side. Licensing a dead guy is a huge ordeal of talking to greedy family members who will play the grieving card but really just want to milk you for more money.
It's how the Mall of America lost the rights to Camp Snoopy from the series creator even though Charles Schultz woulda probably loved to have the park stay as a tribute to his series.
>>332325518
It is a PC screen. It's car I have in my collection. They recently added the ability to take photos in 4K, which is a nice feature.
Did anyone just say perfection?
>>332329757
They are. Shame the modern ones look like fucking Decepticons.
An ap1 or ap2 s2000, no fucking doubt about it.
>>332326102
Forever and ever.
>>332326102
Although In my dream garage I want the following cars.
>240sx
>s2000
>an FD
>FC
>R34
>NSX
>>332331172
>>332326102
meant to reply here.
>>332331283
tfw so many of these are running cheap here.
Although most of the faggots who own these have them as automatics.
>>332309253
I like road trip better.
>>332328248
They're different games.
Blur is basically a Mario Kart on steroids. To me it's flawless, but it never got the recognition it deserved.
Split/Second is a Burnout on steroids. The destructions and explosions really give that adrenaline rush but the rubberbanding can be frustrating sometimes. Despite that, it's still a great game.
I actually enjoy both. I kinda prefer Blur, yes, but Spilt/Second does not disappoint.
>>332326102
I want a BMW Z4 with the GT3 bodykit.Never ever ;_;
why do modern cars look like complete horse shit?
>>332332663
Safety regulations
>>332332663
Because you watch 2much of 2fast2furious and look at shitty ricer cars and Civics with a bigger exhaust to compensate for your small dick.
>racing games are no longer fast
what happened
>>332332913
>Implying I like ricer garbage.
>Implying I like civics that aren't 6th generation coupes
>Implying I like 2fast2furious
>>332310236
because assetto has dominance in the "sim" category, all assetto players write off p-cars as an arcade sim, which isnt entirely wrong.
I liked the game a lot, but its going to forever be in the shadow of gran turismo, forza, or assetto corsa, so people on those respective platforms dont have much incentive to play pcars.
>>332332663
compacts, sedans and general econoboxes are starting to look way better now than they did in the beginning of the 2010s I'll say that much
>>332333642
>webm
what the christ
>>332333717
Wait a second, what the fuck is exactly non-sim about Project CARS? It's literally got simulated physics and the handlings are as realistic as they can get. You can even do practically the same times in Assetto as in PCARS.
>>332332447
Seriously, you're better off getting both the games. They're great for different reasons.
Sadly the online aspect for them have been down for quite some time.
>>332323618
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApIGEhKhOrM
THE BEST
>>332333898
rainy roads, tires couldn't get warm enough to grip. they just slid off the track
>>332334213
They're running rain tyres though. And they always get them pre-heated so what the hell is going on? Why did they even slide this hard?
>all these new games are all artificially slow due to graphics
>could literally make an extremely fast game with an artstyle that isn't "MUH REALISM" but no one is willing to take a risk
kill me
>>332333984
/o/ would give you a better run down then i could desu, the tire deterioration and grip is the biggest complaint. I don't agree with the sentiment, I'd say pcars is a racing sim, though i'd concede assetto goes a bit more in depth in terms of simulating all factors. on the other hand, pcars has a much better campaign mode, so imo its the better game
>>332334436
The track was way to wet.
I remember this race well.
The rain came down so fucking fast.
>>332307610
I drive a fucking 58hp Twingo, you fuck. I bet you can't even drive stick, fattie. Go eat a hamburger. And by "hamburger" I mean "dick".
>>332334548
no one on /o/ plays either of those in the /ovg/ and most their can't even drive a real car, thats why they are circle jerk for times on that other racing game that isn't half bad. it was fine when they did goofy tracks like rainbow road and GTA Vice City, but now its all "muh track day"
>>332334548
But the tyres deteriorate realistically. At least after the patches, because I remember how there were some bugs with this. There's literally no reason to hate PCARS, other than the issues with FFB, but I believe those were resolved some time ago as well.
>>332334809
>rainbow road and GTA Vice City
What?
>>332334962
all they play is rfactor, and for a week or two all they did was ported maps from Mario Kart and GTA 3 and Vice City
>>332334809
>>332334849
ay i agree with you both, i was just stating what other sim players seemed to have issue with. the game at launch before patches was kinda rough, probably ruined a lot of peoples perspective on the game
>ctrl+f
>Star Wars Racer
>0 results
Are you all too young or what? You discuss arcade racers and Rollcage/Wipeout etc., but not THE BEST RACING GAME EVER?
Played that shit to death on N64. Got it only because I couldn't get Pokemon Stadium at the time and boy, I would have rather missed out on Stadium than on this.
>IT'S WORKING! IT'S WORKIIING!
>>332333642
shitty camera shakes as a substitute for real speed
devs can't be fucked to code a good base for driving physics and collisions.
>>332335226
Fuck me I just looked it up on youtube and they actually ported GTA maps into rfactor. Those absolute madmen!
>>332333845
please post an example, because the only thing 2016 has spat out of any worth is the mazda mx-5 ND, and for 2017 the fiat 124 spider.
>>332333642
what race was this, was this in japan?
>>332335634
I mean just compare a 2010 civic to a 2016 one
they're way less boring now at least
>>332324383
Yes, my exact thoughts, F1 2005 had a "newlester" that resume races and another relevant stuff.
But in 2012 you have the actual interviews and shit, I liked the idea of inmersion because when you are making the setup or looking the times you see people moving and doing shit in the box, so that was pretty cool, but the rest felt like those shit F1 shows who made interviews very forced and cringeworthy.
look for youtubes of it, and i almost forgot the the most important,it was because that AI also was shit at turns but superfast at straights, like a copypasted AI shell
>>332326102
I have a real job, but still never gonna get one of this, but a caterham would be nice too.
>>332329757
here is the concept car, like those italdesigns give shape to lambos, before the f117 references.
>>332333642
>after race in Live for Speed
>>332335478
to prove you.
Did youbuy the best part damaged or a mediocre part with full health to that space jewlephant?, i thought best parts were better despite being broken or almost ded
Its because no one talked about something that fast or that nostalgia.
>>332311332
The funny part is if you've been watching the game for that long, you screwed yourself over. The game was cheaper during the Early Access period.
>>332338707
I usually bought parts from the scrapyard and refurbished them over the course, but I had one playthrough where one part just wouldn't get green. Dunno if bug or juvenile stupidity.
I only remember getting the best engine for literally nothing, happymerchant.webm.
>>332339132
My scrap nigga.
>>332277614
there was just a grand prix in my city. It was fun to watch.
>>332339737
Alonso you still seem to be confused
>>332340170
>is almost crushed to tiny fleshy bits
>somehow isn't
>tweets about it the next day
why aren't you living on the edge like alonso
>>332340572
>A "gust of wind" causes him to just "park the car" at Spain testing last year
>Knocked him out and made him think he was 12 again.
Crashes be weird
>driving this Lola in rfactor 2
Sweatman.jpg
F1 vs Indy? Nascar is just rush hour at 200 mph
>>332341491
>she controlled that ramp with wheels and 600hp monster in the 80s like it was a daily drive.
>>332341581
F1 and Indy be some dayyum gay ass shit.
>>332341719
>Michelle Mouton does well because she can actually drive
>Criticises Carmen Jorda for being shit
She is pretty damn good
>>332341728
DAD GUM
>>332342036
last qt i have, a ferrari grill.
>>332328248
im with you bro, blur was an underrated masterpiece
>>332342309
I have a lot of f1 related qt's
>tfw drivers GF no long keep timing like they used to
Nina Rindt was legitimately a goddess
>>332342782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVbpiM7OACU
>>332342878
>Esteban we are going to start on the hards before moving to the supersofts you understand
>yes...hard...yesI don't want to get banned again for posting WAGs
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