Is Fates worth it?
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Based on the things I've heard, the plot is apparently really bad, which is a bummer because I was actually looking forward to playing this game. Would any of you actually recommend it?
>>332243945
The story is worse than you can imagine, but Conquest is excellent as a TRPG. I enjoyed it thoroughly, but it sounds like it's not for you.
best gameplay in the genre since Thracia
terribad story
The writing makes me want to kill myself.
Conquest on lunatic/classic make me want to kill myself even more.
>tfw stuck at Mr Fuga's wild ride
Shit story, main character is pretty much unbearable as a lead role, even worse than Chrom, everyone else is one note as fuck.
The whole game left a bad taste in my mouth, the gameplay itself is okay but I couldn't get over how universally bad the writing was. The "true end" is also DLC.
Pretty sure the only people who could stand it were the ones who are just in it for the waifus if that says anything.
Get it if you want but I'm about to return my copy.
>>332243945
BIRTHRIGHT
>Story: Good
>Gameplay: Mediocre
>Characters: Bad
CONQUEST
>Story: Horrible
>Gameplay: Great
>Characters: The best
REVELATIONS
>Story: Okay
>Gameplay: Okay
>Characters: Okay
>>332243945
>good plot
>any FE game
PoR was the best plot in the whole series, but even then it was totally mediocre and the one thing that made it even that good was Ike.
That being said, Conquest is easily the second best gameplay in the entire series and is one of the best in the whole genre, and it also has the best waifu in the series in pic related.
The other two games are eh or worse. Birthright is like if Awakening was better, but Revelations not only has the worst plot of the three, but also has terrible unit balancing (you get so many fucking units, but only like 9 of them are actually usable).
I recommend Conquest for the gameplay. I fucking love it. Skip out on the rest of them unless you somehow get invested into the story or the characters.Pirate the Japanese game that's modded with the NoA text if you have a hacked 3DS--best way to play, imo.
>>332243945
I don't have Birthright yet, but Conquest is really challenging (mostly in a good way). The story is incredibly bad, way worse than Awakening.
>>332243945
is it worth downloading for free because all 3ds games are now free for everyone who isn't retarded? sure but i never put more than 20 mins into it
Damn, that settles it I guess. Any other games you guys would recommend on the 3DS? Idc about the genre just whether or not it's any good. Xenoblade looks like it could be fun.
>>332246242
>good plot
>any FE game
It's not stellar but the cast in FE7 carried it pretty well for me, and it was hardly as offensively bad as Fates
also the worldbuilding was waaaaaaaaay better than Fates (the world map parts before chapters help a lot with that)
Plot is awful.
Gameplay is great. Big improvement on Awakening.
>>332243945
Do not fall for the 'fates is good' meme.
Gameplay is worse than most previous games, story is fucking horrendous, characters are all bland, generic anime stereotypes, tons of DLC cancer, and it's not a challenging game at all. Emulate Tactics Ogre:LUCT on the PSP if you want a good SRPG/TRPG.
>>332246481
Yeah, I'll agree with you on that.
FE7 was really bland, but not outright terrible like Fates was. I think that's a key difference between Fates and every other game, bar Awakening.
>>332246436
Good call on not getting it, anon. Lemme think of some good games.
MonHun for multiplayer fun.
Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon for great story and fun.
Etrian Mystery Dungeon for the same thing but not Pokemon and also no story
Stella Glow for a decent TRPG.
Earthbound on the VC if you haven't played it yet.
Shantae and the Pirate's Curse
Nintendo shills are working overtime so be aware. They're trying to push Fates as something that isn't garbage and the new Paper Mario game as anything other than an abomination
>>332246241
>Revelations story
>Okay
Ha it's even worse than Conquest
>Corrin attack both brothers
>Wait not yet
>Shit we gotta go, trust me and theow yourself off this cliff
>Welcome to the invisible kingdom no one can see and if you speak of it then you burst into treats
>And YOU'RE the king!
>Now all the sisters are yours to fuck!
>>332246436
There's unfortunately not that many good games on the 3Ds, way too much shovelware as usual.
The new Mystery Dungeon game is decent, not as good as Sky but not at all bad. Etrian Odyssey is awesome but ridiculously hard if you aren't good at classic dungeon crawlers.
>>332246241
>REVELATIONS
>>Story: Okay
What
I like Disgaea and hated Awakening--Would I like Fates? From everything I've heard it feels like I would be better off just playing Disgaea but I figured I should ask.
>>332246940
>tfw none of my friends will get MH4u for multiplayer fun with me
>>332246481
fe7's story is bad even by FE standards, wake the fuck up
>>332247348
>tfw I own Monster Hunter and can't get into it.
I tried Anon, I just start it up and it doesn't hold my interest for some reason.
>>332246849
TO shills crack me up
when you faggots gonna stop shitting on FE threads? your game is dead, deal with it
>>332243945
Conquest is good and challenging gameplay wise. Otherwise no, its shiut.
>>332247237
What did you hate about Awakening? Fates improves on almost every aspect of it.
I don't really know much about Disgaea so I'm not sure what pros that has in comparison
>>332246241
This is so retarded. Birthright has a terrible boring story. You don't even get most of the "story". Conquest goes way more into the lore. Yeah, some of the plot elements in Conquest are dumb, but the overall story flows way better. Hoshido is just as much of one long dumb hike to the enemy throne room, except more boring.
>>332247367
nowhere near as bad as Fates at least (not that that's saying much I guess
>>332246940
Thanks! Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon and Shantae sound pretty fun.
>>332246436
Kid Icarus Uprising
Monster Hunter
OoT and MM if you somehow haven't played those yet
Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon. Probably my favorite game on the 3DS, though the pacing of the story is pretty bad at some points (which is too bad, because it's a great story). Almost as good as Sky.
Rune Factory 4
Animal Crossing: New Leafbut the community is kind of dying
The new Kirby game is probably going to be great, because there's no such thing as a bad Kirby game
Classic VC games you haven't played yet
>>332247237
depends on why you hated FE but most probably not
Disgaea is about team building and numbers and shit, FE is more like a puzzle in the sense that correctly positioning your units is everything
>>332247731
I actually do already have Uprising, messed with my L button in the process but it was definitely worth it.
>>332247673
except it IS insultinly bad
the pace is all over the place, the villain is ridiculous, disney deaths, unresolved plot lines (remember Lyn getting her revenge? yeah me neither), retarded characters, etc etc
it's even got the tranny nun meme
>>332247632
>>332247754
I disliked how forgettable the story was and how bad the characters were. Everyone felt like they were there to fill a quota or something. Disgaea has a similar issue but at least those characters change through the story.
I was also very neutral about the support/marriage/children thing, is that a major part of Fates? Most every thread talks about who they married.
Awakening's gameplay was okay though, the team up system felt busted however.
>>332248370
>no mention of maps
yeah no bro, this series ain't for you
>>332248370
>Most every thread talks about who they married.
That's because waifu/husbando posting is easy shitposting.
It's not a major thing, but if you want all of the units available to you on any given run, you'll need to pair people up.
The way they shoehorned children into the game was atrocious, though.
>>332247468
>implying anyone shills for TO
FE is also a dead game, Fates and Awakening are just corpse puppets.
>>332248216
>tranny
he's a trap
You sound like a retarded liberal
>>332248918
>pretty good sales
>lively discussion
>dead
I see your definition of a dead game means "I don't like it!"
>>332248792
>you will never play Chapter 10 for the first time ever again
>>332249028
your mom sounds like a retarded liberal democratic republican CUNT
>>332246241
The Hoshido characters are fine. Their supports are just as interesting as the Nohr ones and there aren't any Peris. They certainly aren't bad by any means. In the actual story the main characters all act like fucking morons throughout all of Conquest and they're just boring good guys in Birthright. Ryoma and Takumi are more compelling in Conquest and Xander and Camilla are more compelling in Birthright.
>I'm going to overthrow Garon by doing exactly what he says and none of my siblings have a problem with this either!
>>332248665
It's been a while since I played Awakening, I remember a lot of maps being cramped and the Pegasus Knights being able to do fuck all about maps with mountains/cliffs because they died easily. When I finish a game I generally keep the characters in mind unless it's a platformer.
>>332248713
Oh good, I thought it was a dating sim masking itself as an SRPG.
How much gameplay can you get out of it before having to get DLC? Just the story?
>>332249046
Lol, I bet you think that Call of Duty and Uncharted are good games just because they sell well.
Waifufaggotry is also not discussion, despite what you may think.
>>332249321
It IS a dating sim pretending to be an RPG. The game is extremely casualized despite what the weebs pushing the game claim.
>>332249449
>talking about characters from a game is not game-related discussion
seriously now?
>>332249549
someone post the webm
>>332249321
>How much gameplay can you get out of it before having to get DLC? Just the story?
Unless you consider the other routes dlc don't bother with it. They offer nothing in terms of story(or atleast worth reading) and the rewards thus far aren't great and worth real money. Ballistician and Witch come out in a few weeks but there's thankfully a freebie dlc that lets you get one of the two items for free.
>>332249552
>which fire emblem wud u fuk
yeah great game discussion m8
The characters are all generic, which weeaboos eat up.
>>332249636
This one?
>>332249549
Conquest is alright
>>332249549
Oh.
Welp.
Back to the Item World for me, thanks anon.
Takumi sperging out the whole time was the only enjoyable part of the Conquest story
>>332250140
Fuck Takumi.
Fuck Takumi and his chronic headaches.
Fuck Takumi and his reasonable moral quandaries in an otherwise overly simplified narrative.
Fuck Takumi and his Seto Kaiba jumping off of a wall instead of facing the fact that he lost bullshit.
Fuck Shadow Takumi. Fuck Shadow Takumi,
Just... Fuck Takumi.
>>332250061
How's D5? I want to get back into the series, I only played 1 and 2, plus a bunch of their other games like Phantom Brave and Makai Kingdom.
>>332245974
im on normal and i already want to kill myself
seems pretty accurate
>>332251075
Probably the best in the series actually.
>MC is a total bro
>all the characters get their own arc with development
>story on par with D1
>gameplay is smooth as fuck
>PS4 can handle more enemies so some maps have ~30+ units to take on
>your units have subclasses so you can have a fist user switch to a spear or something if he needs range
>monster units aren't useless
The worst thing I can say about it is probably the dubbing even if I personally enjoyed it, but of course, all NIS games have dual audio so its a non issue.
If you want to get back in Disgaea, D5 is probably the way to go. Disgaea 1 came out on steam recently also if you ever want to replay it.
>>332246241
BIRTHRIGHT
>Story: Okay
>Gameplay: Good
>Characters: Great
CONQUEST (What I've played so far)
>Story: Horrible
>Gameplay: Great
>Characters: Good
So, Birthright > Conquest.
What's the consensus on what makes the story so garbage?
>>332252009
Damn, are you gonna get the Hinoka shit out of the way now? Or are you gonna wait for someone to mention Camilla?
>>332252140
Some of the characters do real stupid shit and like to withhold information.
>>332252140
Azura, Corrin, Garon being a slime monster, dumb Valla fight club rules, the stone showing garon immediately breaking, etc.
it's easier to look for what ISN'T garbage in the story
>>332252276I mean, it's not like they have a choice in talking about the information they know
>>332252009
>>332252392
>>332252276
>Fates/Awakening characters
>Good
no
>>332252140
It's one of those stories where they purposely have characters make things difficult for the sake of dragging shit out. Corrin is also wishywashy and boring as hell.
>>332252140
It's generic and awful at the same time, full of mary-sues that are forced on the player. Imagine everything bad about Awakening and then amplify it.
FE never had stellar writing but this is just awful weeb-pandering trash
>>332246241
>>332252009
This sort of ranking is rather misleading. The following would be more accurate:
BIRTHRIGHT
>Story: 2/10
>Gameplay: 2/10
CONQUEST
>Story: 0/10
>Gameplay: 9.5/10
REVELATIONS
>Story: 1/10
>Gameplay: 2.5/10
So while it is true that in terms of story birthright > revelations > conquest, if you are at all concerned about story you should ignore all three of the Fates games.
>>332252439
I didn't say anything about the characters being good here >>332252276. Try your shitposting again.
>>332252618
This to be honest
Been playing Conquest for a while now. Pretty solid to be honest, some of the new map mechanics are great and give a nice change of pace to the general FE mechanics and are a lot better than Awakenings "Route the enemy" every map.
Plot is not THAT bad but the biggest problem it has are the dialogues, they are beyond retarded.
Zola did literally nothing wrong. Also, why is Takumi not a prepromote Sniper? He's about as good as one.
Conquest was good, I'm glad I got it instead of Birthright.
I just bought it for $40 and sold it on Ebay for $35, so I obviously have no issue saying it was worth it
If you could make a Conquest-style FE game (ie. the mechanics, limited resources and challenging maps), what would the setting/story/characters be? I'd be interested in another game in the Magvel setting
>>332252439
Fates > Awakening Charaters.
Also Birthright Charaters > Conquest charaters, I mean, it's not even a question. The Hoshido Royal Family overall is better than the Nohrian Family.
Not to mention Hoshido has better retainers both as units and in their support conversations.
>>332253252
>namefag
>with awful taste
It's like poetry
it rhymes
>>332253035
He just isn't. I thought that was weird though seeing as Leo, who's supposed to be his counterpart on the Nohr side, is promoted. But then again, Hinoka isn't yet Camilla is. It seems like they did 3 prepromotes for Nohr, probably due to the higher difficulty.
>>332252618
I still want to knock 5 points off the gameplay of every route because of the fact that 2nd gens and the online shit exist.
inb4 don't use it, yes I'm not using it, but it doesn't stop every fucking person you talk to from assuming your party has 2nd gens and you're buying skills.
>>332253252
>The Hoshido Royal Family overall is better than the Nohrian Family.
You deserve a medal for always saying the most retarded shit. As far as units go only Ryouma is the better counterpart, as far as characters go the weeb side is entirely inferior. Even Japan agrees.
I honestly don't think the plot is as bad as you're all making it out to be. Sure, the not being able to talk about Valla shit is dumb as hell as a plot device, but it's not enough to make the story complete garbage
Do not marry Pieri or she will make you a fat fuck.
>>332253252
>Fates has good characters
no they're shitty anime archetypes, they aren't even slightly endearing like previous characters in the series.
Why are the older brothers so hot?
>>332253565
Dude it's a post Awakening Fire Emblem game, it's total garbage.
>>332253252
>Hoshido has better retainers both as units and in their support conversations
The only really good Hoshido retainers are Oboro, Azama, and Saizo. The only bad Nohr retainers are Odin and Selena.They're about even in support conversations. Hoshido retainers are bland, but Nohr retainers are silly.
>no castles with rhajat for skills
Did The Last Promise have a better story than Fates?
So does anyone feel like it's "cheating" to just buy skills online instead of legitimately getting them?
>>332253953
No.
unless its some completely overpowered shit like warp
>>332253953
No, stop being autistic.
>>332253520
>far as units go only Ryouma is the better counterpart
Takumi and Sakura are the better counterparts too. Unit wise.
And character wise really 3 out of 4 of them are better.
You know, I really think you people are deluding yourselves.
>>332253840
Oboro, Azama, Saizo, Setsuna, Hana, Hinata. They are all good.
Odin is okay I think he's funny, Selena is okay. Actually most of them are fine but they are not as good as Hosido's retainers. I don't like Laslow and Peri is overrated. Charlotte is like a whore. Benny is okay.
>>332246241
I agree with this
The plot isn't bad, the writing is just complete horseshit.
While I just finished Birthright and now playing Conquest the story feels like it was originally supposed to be one game where Corrin bounces back and forth between the two sides.
>Starts in Nohr tower
>goes to Hoshido capital
>goes to the battlefield between the two armies
>goes with Xander to persuade Garon to stop against Ryoma's wishes
>Garon tells him to fuck off and die
>Xander saids no and asks for one more chance
>Corrin is forced to stop ice tribe rebellion by killing them
>Xander finally realizes Garon wants Corrin dead since it's suicide to do it alone
>Sends backup to support Corrin in the forest and ice tribe
>Corrin doesn't go through with it upon receiving hospitality by the leader
>Heads back to Hoshido with Silas and his maids
>Ryoma and Takumi untrustworthy of him proceed to kick Corrin back out through force
>Hinako and Sakura still caring about Corrin goes MIA
>Xander tells Leo to find and meet with Corrin
>Leo goes with Corrin to find the Rainbow Sage
>After Corrin gets his new sword he goes back to Hoshido
>Ryoma witnesses the transformed sword and trust him again
>Takumi doesn't trust him but goes along with
>sneak into Nohr kingdom via secret passage
>meet up with Camilla and Elise
>reach Xander but Corrin has to fight him one on one while Garon watches to not make the cue suspect
>Xander throws the fight but gets fatally shot in the back by Takumi
>Corrin fights Takumi in a fit of rage
>Kills Takumi but learns that Iago was controlling him
>With cover blown Garon sends his personal guard and Iago to fight Corrin and Co.
>After killing Iago Corrin and Co. face off against Garon
>Beats him and his alternate form
>The war is over, Ryoma becomes king and Leo becomes king
>the end
That's what the story feels like what it was originally supposed to be and this "path" bullshit was tacked on for more money.
>>332254018
You can't buy warp because it's a DLC skill.
>>332254037
I never said that I thought that, I was just asking because some people I know see it that way and I was wondering if others did as well
>>332243945
It's not even so much that the story is bad.
The story isn't good, but it's not bad. It's just medicore.
The English localization, however, is what is fucking awful, and makes the story feel a lot fucking worse than it actually is.
>>332254217
Yeah, the game was completely butchered in three parts in a shameless way to get money out of it.
>Slash game in three
>CAll each separate sale a Fates sale
>Act surprised the game sells well
Fuck this shit
>>332251564
I disagree about everything but the gameplay and the mechanic changes.
The story is drama, drama, dramaaaa and power of friendship and determination.
The cast was utterly terrible
Killia is a raging emotional faggot and the monologues are pure cringe.
Seraphina cannot stop thinking about cocks and talks nonstop about money. Literally a whore, benched as soon as possible for an archer.
Red Magnus doesn't ever stop being super dumb and only gets slightly better in the latter half.
Zeroken is that weeaboo you met in high school who went to class in a naruto headband.
Void Dark is generic edgy mcedge villain #420.
Majorita is also edgy.
Who the fuck is Lieserota even
The only people with half a brain are Usalia and Christo
Oh and fuck Seraphina for a second time.
And I still can't believe the Vita got cucked out of D5 because of the meme 100 enemies rooms that you run into once every 2 hours.
>>332253520
2nd gens aren't inherently a gameplay problem (though they're absolutely retarded from a story perspective). Planning out pairs for the sake of both pair up boosts, child stats, and the child chapters themselves (for exp and items) is an interesting element of a lunatic ironman run. They aren't so powerful that they are crucial to a run, either. I don't see what the problem is here.
I agree that it's very disheartening that most people use the blue orb for bonus content that destroys the balance of conquest. It's hard to discuss legitimate tactics without several people suggesting things that basically equate to cheating.
>>332254113
Setsuna is overshadowed by Takumi, while Hana and Hinata are overshadowed by Lobster-sama. They're not bad units on their own, but they're redundant in Birthright because the royals already fill their niches.
Charlotte and Benny aren't retainers.
>>332243945
Can't say for other routes, but Birthright's story is pretty fucking bad, like really fucking bad. The characters are even worse off due to 3/4th of the cast being a comic-relief.
The gameplay is meh. Even with the difficulty being higher and couple of new mechanics, it still feels like I'm back at playing Awakening. Half-way through the chapters, it just becomes a chore to play.
All in all, I'm glad I didn't spend money on it.
>>332253858
Yes, because Siggy was at least relatable and entertaining, and Edgleord and Stoner Boy were funny.
The maps were also fairly good too, despite Kelik, Siggy, and that one guy that everyone called Sundowner being really strong
>>332254558
Border Guards who suddenly joined the group are as good as retainers at this point.
Okay, sure, they are overshadowed, but why should that get in the way of how good they are? I think that's a unfair argument. You can say the same for other units in Conquest.
>>332254941
Kevin was his name I believe.
>>332253840
I like Saizo, Oboro, Azuma, Setsuna, and Kagerou on Hoshido. For Nohr I liked Odin, Niles, Laslow, Arthur and JP Effie. Everyone else was sort of meh.
>>332253953
Yeah, I haven't used it.
>>332253252I agree with you but I'm sure 99% of Conquestbabbies won't
>>332251321
>fe12
>shit tier
You can also bump Shadow Dragon up to decent tier with http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2316/ BTW.
>>332253804
Becausethey just are
>>332254113
>Takumi and Sakura are the better counterparts too. Unit wise.
Ah, spoken like a retarded grinder.
Takumi is useful for about 4 early game chapters before his stat gains stop keeping up with the enemy's stat inflation. He's a shitty overrated unit that only becomes relevant because you're playing the game at a snail's pace.
Leon meanwhile comes with incredibly solid bases, has 8 mov himself plus +1 mov on pairup, allowing him to be both an offense unit AND support unit.
I have a fucking essay detailing why Sakura is an absolute trainwreck thanks to the amount of money you need to waste in order to get her up to pace. Sure, you can dump 200 levels and 20 hours of care into her and turn her into a godly unit via the good growths like a true Awakeningbabby, but people with self respect will continue to use Elise and Felicia for their superior versatility and the fact that they can blossom with little to no effort, making them the prime support units for high level plays too.
>>332254515
The problem is that they're just borrowed from Awakening, which stole it from Genealogy (and then dumbed it down for good measure), where they were actually important to the plot and gameplay.
There's no reason that they need to be there, and if they just designed too many characters they could just as easily make them normal characters and not kids of other characters. There's no reason Forrest couldn't have just been a crossdressing troubadour, there's no reason that Percy couldn't have been Arthur's little brother or something, hell Soleil could've had a better dynamic with Laslow if they WEREN'T father and daughter, and some of the kids would probably have ended up better if they had existed before the game even started, like Nina, Midori and the two furries.
A few hours into Fates and it just doesn't feel as good as Awakening.
>tfw people shilling conquest are probably getting paid for it since it sold the worst and is getting beaten by things like peripherals, dlc, and amiibos
>>332255370
Honestly, if you didn't pirate all 3 games you're a fucking retard.
>>332254515
>for exp and items
This is what makes 2nd gens a gameplay problem.
>>332255205
What shitty growths did you get? Takumi was useful the entire game, even without grinding.
Sakura is pretty shit though without grinding, Elise is a monster either way.
You know, I kinda understand why they stripped the waifu patting.
Shit was just weird whenever I used it to gain affinity.
>>332253953
>>332254261
Basically, the games are made to have very specifically designed and meticulously balanced challenges in their map design. Especially so in Lunatic Conquest. Getting a lot of free shit from online, whether it be skills, items, or grinding supports (that lets you open up paralogues you otherwise wouldn't, or gets you better pair up bonuses, etc) all results in an advantage that the game isn't balanced around. As a player, you get a diluted and inferior experience if you use the online features to aid your playthrough.
It's the same sort of deal as picking normal phoenix mode.
If you want to play that way go ahead, but it kind of irritates me when people are talking about tactics and someone jumps in and says "just use ___ overpowered item that you wouldn't normally have access to". In that sense it's basically the same as telling someone to use cheat codes to progress, since it completely defeats the purpose of posting about tactics.
At least conquest has more objectives than "Fuck errybody" and "Fuck that guy in particular"
In Birthright, anyone kind of wanted him to legit be on your side?
>>332255554
No, nigga is ugly as fuck and has jaundice.
>>332243945
it's the best game in the series. the gameplay is vastly better than any other fire emblem.
yes the story is shit, but most of the story in these games has always come from character interactions via support. that's why games like radiant dawn and shadow dragon were particularly atrocious.
tl;dr fates is amazing
>>332255205
>Takumi is useful for about 4 early game chapters before his stat gains stop keeping up with the enemy's stat inflation.
The fuck happened to your Takumi? Mine was averaging 33% crit chance the entire game and took Anankos's final form out in one turn from a double crit.
>>332255205
Sakura has more balanced growths, the only thing holding her back are her bases. Elise dies if she gets a papercut.
Fuck Takumi in general, though.
>>332255205
Man, I'm not even grinding and he's incredibly powerful. I could give Sakura because I'm not so sure about her (I still find her more useful than Elise though), but Takumi? Seriously, people don't need to know much about the game to tell you that fact.
Say what you will, but I legitimately enjoyed Birthright, even after playing through Conquest.
>>332255554
Eh.
>>332255702
agreed, i think all 3 routes are enjoyable in their own way.
>>332255272
I agree that they're terrible from a story perspective. Really, it's absolutely retarded.
>>332255418
But they're a resource available to the player. In conquest you get Mozu's paralogue and a couple NPC castle invasions as optional battles, just like the child paralogues. I understand that some people will choose to ignore all optional battles (I'll probably do that once I've tried them all) but I don't see them as inherently problematic.
>>332255454
Good thing they removed all of the swimsuits except the towel and the ability to zoom in certain places. That shit was just weird and creepy.
Also Saizo and Beruka's C-support was creepy. Glad they removed it.
>>332254454
Completely agree with you anon and it's a shame too because had Fates just been one whole game it would have been the de facto nintendo rpg this generation and probably the de facto portable jrpg this gen too.
I still like it but it was a missed opportunity.
>>332255435
The part in IK Lunatic where suddenly everything has Def out of the ASS, while mages have Mag out of the ass. I have the option to promote to Golden Kite and be inferior to Yuugiri, or stay a Sniper and not get any piece of the action because now I have Ryouma and Marx.
In most practical situations Elise isn't an offense monster, although she can.
Should I really play either birthright or Conquest before REvelations?
I'm on the choice right now and haven't made it. Considering I can have both units from both sides in Revelations that makes it instantly superior, right?
Or does it not matter and I eventually get units from both sides anway?
If I can't mix-match marraiges in conquest or birthright for maximum efficiency and hilarious cross-kingdom banter, then I'm gonna fucking pick revelations regardless of it being my first playthrough.
How could we ruin the next Fire Emblem game, /v/?
I'll start
>can marry multiple people
>>332255016
You're right, you can say the same for units in Conquest, because when you consider the whole cast on each side, not every character is equal. It's not like you'll suffer for using any one character, but there are some characters who don't bring as much to the table, like Selena or Odin.
>>332256051
that's not ruining it though, i've been wanting to marry both of my older brothers
>>332256051
I'd use it to marry any girl with short hair tbqh fampai
>>332255997
>Considering I can have both units from both sides in Revelations that makes it instantly superior, right?
Nope. The unit balance in Revelation is BAD.
>Or does it not matter and I eventually get units from both sides anway?
You have a couple of units who follow you now matter the route. That's pretty much it. Pick what you want, but I'm letting you know that each of the routes have their weaknesses and strengths.
>>332255678
Nothing, I just abstained from wasting time in chapters. Also Lunatic if it helps.
>and took Anankos's final form out in one turn from a double crit.
Meanwhile I had to use both avatar and Ryouma to kill Hydra's final form. I'm not on a NORMAL kind of run and I don't use that kind of run to evaluate units period.
>>332255679
And support capabilities such as mov, skills (aside from the personal) and class sets. Elise's Def is a non-issue because a Strategist Felicia has less Def than her, and everybody who can play Fire Emblem worth a damn won't let their healers get hit.
>>332255554
It was obvious he was evil. though honestly I'm more upset Takumi was the traitor and not Silas.
Mostly because more singing bullshit.
>>332256231
so you just chuck everyone on a horse then
good to know we're in the no fun allowed zone
>>332256293
Speaking of Silas, why doesn't anyone ever talk about his daughter? She's cute, has an amusing personal skill, and was a complete monster in both of my runs so far.
>>332256051
Fe7 remake with Lyn as the only support for your avatar. Who isn't even a unit.
>>332256374
She wants to fuck her horse.
>>332256231
>Meanwhile I had to use both avatar and Ryouma to kill Hydra's final form.
It's sounding like you got fucked overall RNG wise. Even on lunatic the amount of things that can reliably hit Ryoma can be counted on one hand.
>>332256223
Let me put it this way, which one is going to let me have the MOST units? Is it possible to get all the units in any one route?
IF no the later question then this automatically is a shit FE game, because half the point of FE is satiating autism by letting you recruit every possible character and having them marry who you think they look cute with/whos gonna give them the best stats.
I want the route thats gonna be best suited for that: Collecting and shipping characters. Thats what FE is to me now thanks to the past few installments.
According tot his thread the story is crap on all 3 sides so I really only care about the units and support banter.
>>332255205
>Leo
>solid bases
>Good
Leo is shit, especially that speed, dear god.
post yer favorite units
he never let me down and has great supports/boss convos
>>332256515
you don't get all of them in any route but revelation is the closest since you only miss out on yukimura and izana, real spoilersscarlet dies although you have her for a while, and gunther has no supports
so you miss out on 2 and two halves of units, toallying pretty much 3. and those units aren't important and can't marry anyone but the self insert
>>332255205
While I disagree with Takumi, I whole heart agree with Sakura being shit since the last set of missions in Birthright go far beyond Sakura's natural abilities. Especially when Azama exist and can actively defend himself independent of any pairing help.
I'd also say Azura is shit with the only redeeming qualities is early game double turn singing and mid game Son unit.
>>332256515
>Let me put it this way, which one is going to let me have the MOST units? Is it possible to get all the units in any one route?
You get damn near everyone in Revelation.
>Collecting and shipping characters. Thats what FE is to me now thanks to the past few installments.
>>332256051
>Remove weapon triangle
>>332256726
Obligatory
>>332255780
People have a lot of trouble with Nohr Hard but I personally didn't, and I've only did two paralogues + Mozume. I strongly believe that's the result of me doing the paralogues and getting EXP I shouldn't have. Mozume and the castle invasions are fair game, but child paralogues are wackier than that: they are essentially full blown chapters, it's easy to abuse either the paralogues or the method to access them ("I'll just put theseeee units here until the paralogue happens!"). Nothing wrong with playing them once to see what they're about, but the safest rule is just to disregard them altogether.
>>332256727
Come to think of it, I never got Yukimura in Birthright. How were you supposed to?
>>332254503
Still better than Fates.
>>332255637
>t. nintendo shill
>>332251564
Adell is my favorite
>>332256741
>I'd also say Azura is shit
You can't really say that as long as she has singing.
Can other units turn into a similar class like Azura?
>>332256727
So Revelations gives me the most playable units?
Then I'm playing REvelations first. Story supposedly sucks ass regardless and thats the only reason they reccomend to play either game before revelations, so fuck em.
Think Im gonna regret it? Don't know why I care so much, I didn't even pay for this game.
>>332256912
Adell is ok, Axel should have been the protagonist.
Adell is just kind of bland compared to Laharl.
>>332256960
Azura's the only dancer in Fates. Which is why most people use her.
>>332256865
you get him by upgrading a puppet to level 3 and letting time pass (wait 6 hours or do a level)
I love his personal skill, and it still activates if he's behind someone so I made him a pair up bot
>>332257036
That explains it, I never even bought puppet since I didn't do any castle battles.
>>332256881
I actually have been pretty disillusioned with Nintendo lately, ironically, but Fates is one of the few games they've made lately that I liked. I've hated the recent Mario RPGs, Mario games, Zeldas and just about everything else they made (though I liked Xenoblade and X).
>>332243945
I'm really big on fire emblem and I had to force myself through Birthright only to end up dropping Conquest out of boredom.
The only time I wasn't bored was when I was cringing from the dialogue. Just pass on this.
Gonna pick GrillCorrin in my next run.
Gonna fuck Xander.
What should be my asset/flaw, and my talent?
>>332243945
What makes the story so bad?
>>332257270
Garon : Kamui go do this or I murder you
Kamui : Okay, but I'm not going to kill anyone, just make them retreat.
Garon : Macbeth, don't kill Kamui but make his life really shitty
Macbeth : Yes, King Garon
Kamui : OH NO, I MANAGED TO BEAT THESE PEOPLE WITHOUT KILLING THEM BUT NOW GARON/GANZ/MACBETH ARE KILLING THEM AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING A BOOBOOBOO
Marx/Camilla/Leon : We can't do shit because Garon will kill us. Just keep your mouth shut we love you.
Aqua : My brilliant attempt to reveal Garon's true form as failed, even with my brilliant disguise of only a veil and black dress. Here Kamui, look at this one of a kind Crystal Ball to show you Garon's true form. Oops it's shattered.
Kamui : I know what I must do Aqua. I must conquer Hoshido to reveal Garon's true form using that magic throne of Hoshido We will tell NO ONE of our true intentions.
Kamui : I will now proceed to defeat Hoshido and cry whenever Garon/Ganz/Macbeth show up and start murdering people for no reason.
Ryouma ; I WILL COMMIT SUICIDE SO KAMUI ISN'T EXECUTED BY GARON FOR NOT KILLING ME. REMEMBER ME AS SOMEONE WHO DIED WITH GLORY RATHER THAN A SISTER MURDERER
Macbeth : Welp, we're gonna murder you now Kamui.
Marx/Leon/Camilla/Elise : WE'VE GROWN ENOUGH OF A BACKBONE NOT TO JUST COMPLAIN ANYMORE.
Macbeth : I DINDUNUFFFFFFFFFFFFFIIIIIINBLARG
Garon : Shit, the Magic Throne revealed my true form. I must kill all witnesses.
Camilla/Leon/Elise : WE CAN'T FIGHT FATHER
Marx : Retards, that's a fucking slime monster. DIE SLIME MONSTER.
Takumi : I'm a zombie archer final boss out of nowhere! Wanna know how this happened? BUY THE DLCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC~
Kamui : I got a lot of people killed because I can't communicate or use deception properly~
Where's Aqua?
Aqua : I disappear because my song kills me, but you'll only know that if you play Hoshido~
Is DSO better than Censorship Emblem?
All the plots are terrible, it's just a matter of what type of bad plot bothers you the least. Conquest is Utilitarianism: The Story, Hoshido is ungodly boring and shit happens just 'cause with no real attempt to explain why things are happening at all, and Revelation is just retarded.
The actual gameplay in Conquest is great though.
>>332257168
Yeah, I came to that conclusion a WHILE ago. it's almost unanimously agreed upon that the game's bad. I'm pretty much copying down suggestions I see here for better games at this point.
>>332257168
>only to end up dropping Conquest out of boredom.
Alright, I'll bite. What did you find so boring about Conquest?
>>332257005
>Axel should've been the protagonist
True. Axel is based, but I'm satisfied with Axel mode, so long as he keeps making appearances, I'm happy.
>D3-DD2 gets treated like trash by everyone
>In D5 he's competent as hell, has all his popularity back and even took on both Adell and Killia because his fans believed in him
He's been my favorite since 2, so you can imagine how happy this made me.
>>332246436
Etrian Odyssey 4 is probably the best RPG I've ever seen out of Japan if you don't want story and want RPG gameplay that is actually good and demands thought. EO2U is almost just as good.
>>332256960
> Can other units turn into a similar class like Azura?
Nope, but her singing ability's usefulness begins to wane drastically towards the mid-game point when you should be getting the child units.
Azura is just a crutch for sub-par strategy and IS really should have made a different ending for minimum Azura use.
>>332256458
I'm very confident I did not get RNG fucked; with a booster in a couple stats, my Lv.15 Ryouma was now green in those stats. The truth remains that even my Ryouma cannot kill Hydra by himself, and I have very high doubts Takumi can -naturally- kill him either.
>>332256741
Aqua is invaluable for the singing ability -all game long-. Yeah there is only the "issue" of not letting her, well, get hit.
>>332257327
Wait, does it actually explain zombie Takumi in the dlc?
>>332257375
Plenty of people have been saying Conquest is good though, it's just the story that's shit.
>>332257327
>RATHER THAN A SISTER MURDERER
Heh.
>>332246075
>Im so sorry
>Im so sorry
S O R R Y
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>>332257546
>you should be getting the child units
>dancer is just a crutch for sub-par strategy
Neo Fire Emblem players, everybody.
>>332257375
OP you should really try out Disgaea if you haven't.
Imagine FE but with way more freedom, customization and storylines and characters that aren't hot garbage. The special attacks are also way, way cooler and the games are comfy and funny as hell.
Disgaea isn't nearly as popular as FE but because of this, they don't have to sell out to people who want a dating sim to stay afloat like FE has. I highly, highly recommend it.
>Was just playing the Great Wall of Takumi
>Finally got up to Takumi's little alcove, where he and his archer are the only units left
>Send in Effie
>Takumi has 5 damage, 6% crit
>Effie smacks him around for about 25 damage
>Vengeance
>Crit
There are no words to express my anger right now.
>>332246436
Rune Factory 4, Hatsune Miku Mirai DX
>>332243945
Depends on if you like Charlotte or not.
>>332257327
>Aqua : I disappear because my song kills me, but you'll only know that if you play Hoshido~
Actually it's pretty clear it kills her when she says she'll be returning to Ryouma and Takumi who are dead much sooner than she expected because she's going to sing -that- song again.
Still shit.
>>332257564
Explains it well enough in Conquest. Literally possessed by rage turned into supernatural force.Though Revelation says he's actually being controlled by dragons and shit.
>>332251321
Why is Shadow Dragon shit tier and the original god tier?
>>332257721
The Mikus are all wishing me HAPEE BASDAY today :3
>>332257714
to be honest you should probably play on casual and make saves before that kind of thing
FE isn't really a strategy game it's an RNG game, so don't take it too seriously
>>332257757
I have this strange urge to impregnate her and also give her all of my money.
>>332257862
The original has the excuse of being the original and not having anything to go off of, Shadow Dragon didn't improve anything and was shit overall.
Has anyone played that new dlc? What's it about?
>>332257873
Hapi basday anon!
>>332257862
The original is shit tier too. The old one in God Tier is Descent of Jihad.
>>332257873
Omedetou!
>Kamui : I got a lot of people killed because I can't communicate or use deception properly~
>>332258084
>>332258161
thanks but it's kinda overshadowed by a slightly more important holiday. I'm happy to cede the attention. Happy Easter back to you both
>>332257678
>way more freedom, customization
This is a negative. I guess Chess is a shit game because you can't customize your pieces.
>characters that aren't hot garbage
I'm not defending FE, but Disgaea characters are extremely exaggerated garbage, most of them have a gimmick they repeat over and over. Look at D5 to see how bad it recently got.
>The special attacks are also way, way cooler
If you're not playing both FE and Disgaea with animation off you're doing it wrong.
>and funny as hell
Only if you're a master weeb who finds wacky nonsensical chatter and le references like "Attaxe on Titan" and "Arrow in the knee" funny.
What does this series have against dragons?
>>332258010
It explains whyOwain, Inigo, and Severa are here, as well as some more backstory on Valla and Anankos
>>332258372
Filthy subhumans causing our race trouble
>>332247731
>(which is too bad, because it's a great story)
It really isn't, I'd say it's Fates tier unenjoyable, all the past PMD games were much better in the story department
Great gameplay though
>>332258308
>turning off the animations
The gameboy stopped being sold over a decade ago grandpa.
>>332256374
I talk about her a lot and married the chucklefuck so she could be my daughter but whenever I talk about her I get >>332256457 and >poor man's Cherche
Which is implying that Cherche is bad.
>>332258372
they're responsible for all the bad shit in almost every game
>Nohr
>Hoshido
>Neither
oh fuck what do I choose
>>332258549
Certainly not
>>332258628
You choose to JOIN SMASH
>>332258628
How do you not know the ups and downs to all sides by now?
>>332258531
Sorry son I can't go fast or GRIND fast with those on.
>>332246241
>Any of the stories
>Better then shit
Top kek, go read a book.
>>332258486
It's funny because kamui is part of the problem by enabling Aqua's idiocy.
>>332258708
which would you recommend for someone who's going to play the game just once?
>>332243945
Worst story in any FE game, great soundtrack, great gameplay in Conquest, very fun camaraderie simulator,less effective dating simulator.
>>332258808
No, you turn on those animations and you like them as you grind for a few hours.
Do it right or play a different fucking genre.
>>332249780
>having the enemy range turned off
>all those stupid as fuck partnerships
>attacking units knowing fully well that you're going to fucking kill your unit
HOLY FUCK WHAT IS THIS SUPPOSED TO PROVE OTHER THAN THIS PERSON IS FUCKING BAD AT THE GAME
>>332258882
If they're going to play up friendship power, I'd rather they at least gave a line for characters that haven't died in some cutscenes.
Is Devil Survivor Overclocked better than FE:Fates then?
>>332246242
I don't know how anyone can constantly spout this ""FE plot was never good" crap. Sure, the plots aren't too interesting on paper, but their execution and world-building used to be on-point.Plus, they're filled with likable characters, though I think Fates does a pretty good job on that front.
>>332259013
It's proving exactly that and that Ryoma is a fucking demon. Allegedly the streamer playing was judging attacks based on their faces, not even looking at the fucking numbers.
>>332258308
>>This is a negative. I guess Chess is a shit game because you can't customize your pieces.
I'm confused as to what you mean, you can have a Mage use axes or fists if you want. Any unit can defeat Baal if you put enough time into them unlike FE where some units just outright suck.
>>I'm not defending FE, but Disgaea characters are extremely exaggerated garbage, most of them have a gimmick they repeat over and over. Look at D5 to see how bad it recently got.
Even if I concede on this point, FE does this but way worse. Disgaea characters aren't perfect but I'll take them over Camillia who spends the whole game trying to ride your dick. Fates was made to pander and all it's done is attract degenerates like >>332257757 and >>332257925. Any Disgaea MC is also miles ahead of shitters like Chrom or Corrin, and the other FE MCs are so bland they're forgettable.
>>If you're not playing both FE and Disgaea with animation off you're doing it wrong.
I turn them off when I've finished seeing them as well, but that doesn't change anything.
>>Only if you're a master weeb who finds wacky nonsensical chatter and le references like "Attaxe on Titan" and "Arrow in the knee" funny.I cringed at Attaxe on Titan toobut Disgaea is still oozing with charm. Don't tell me you didn't like Captain Gordon or Champloo, anon.
>>332258856
Depends on what you want
>Gameplay
Conquest
>Supports/Characters
Birthright
>The "True" Route
Neither
>Good Story
A different game
>>332258549
>poor man's Cherche
That doesn't really imply Cherche is bad, just that she is similar to Cherche but lesser. Personally I feel like the mount obsession of Cherche went to Sophie while the rest of her went to Camilla.
>>332259176
Conquest's characters are more likable though.
>>332259013
She was going by the facial expressions of the units instead of the battle forecast. I'm surprised that after that and her spoiling the game, she didn't get more shit for it. Especially since she spoiled it by thinking it was initially a localization change, when it was the same in the Japanese and English versions.
>>332249780
>Paralog
>doesn't even recruit the kid in question
How does this even happen? How did they even make it past chapter fucking 5?
>>332246241
>Revelations
>Story:Okay
I think it's even worse than Conquest to be honest. I'm not overly fond of the "perfect victory" endings and the plot focuses entirely on Corrin and Azura, the lamest characters, when the royals were so much more entertaining.
Also, legit spoilersthe Sumeragi thing was so fucking terribly paced and out of nowhere, much like everything that happens once Corrin and friends jump into Valla.
With it's tedious as fuck maps, the best thing it has going for it is fun support fuckery.
>>332259319
They're bro tier but super fucking retarded.
>>332259176
>Supports/Characters
>Birthright
Gonna have to disagree there. I liked most of Conquest's characters better.
>>332259407
It's better than your forgettable siblings in Hoshido and their 3 silent ninjas. Conquest's characters and overall dynamic was so much better.Hoshido does have based Azama at least, so they've got that going for em.
can someone link me to the japanese-translated support logs please?
>>332259176
>Supports/Characters
Not in Birth "Hoshido can do no wrong" right. Every character is perfect and has no flaws save for Takumi who has middle kid syndrome.
>>332259341
They get killed.
Happened to me with all of the kids sans Mitama, Grey, genderbentaqua, Kana, Takumi's, and Sophie.I'm not very good at this game
>>332259163
>you can have a Mage use axes or fists if you want. Any unit can defeat Baal if you put enough time into them
If anything can do anything and be anything then where is the strategy? Why is there even a distinction between units anymore?
>I'll take them over Camillia who spends the whole game trying to ride your dick
Oh boy may you never play the game Seraphina is in. Almost made Camilla look like a pure angel.
Captain Gordon was fine.
>>332259387
I wouldn't say out of nowhere, since he does show up in chapter 5.
>>332259682
Do you not know what L+R+Start is?
>>332259786
I never reset.
>>332259718
I get that, but the reveal was so "HAHA, IT WAS ME ALL ALONG" but in the end it amounted to fucking nothing because we were given no reason to care about him. Plus he was gone as soon as he arrived.
Can anyone help me with this? I'm at CH. 25 in Birthright and wanted to get Shiro but this Paralogue is literally impossible with the promoted enemies. After the first turn Shiro runs up to an enemy, hits him for 2 damage, and then gets doubled and killed. I have no idea how to fucking do this. I'm reading I should send Fliers with Ryoma and then rescue staff him out but how will anyone stay alive? Should I just say fuck it and not get him until Revelations?
>tfw squandered story potential
>garon could have been a disillusioned, grumpy king who just wanted the best for his country and honestly loved his children
>Mikado could have been a knight templar, with the Hoshidans gradually beginning to question her actions
>true story could have revealed the explosion in chapter 5 wasn't even Garon's doing and that the two kingdoms were turned against each other byLOL DRAGONS
>>332259786
>tfw smash killed my r button
It's either cover it with my mouth and blow and pray it works or restart the whole device.
>>332259906
I had the same exact problem. Check the staff shops for Rescue staves, it's really the only way. They only require E rank though, so it should be doable.
>>332259906
Oh, I posted the thread yesterday asking about this.
I just decided it wasn't worth it and chose to wait until Revelations. Picked up Sophie instead, which turned out to be a good move.
>>332256051
Remove Classic Mode and have have Phoenix Mode always be turned on.
>>332259968
>>332259906
Fuck my reading comprehension. If your Corrin has decent defenses, use his Hoshido Noble class to teleport Shiro towards you. Once you talk to him with Ryoma, you can probably just pair the 2 up and he should be fine since Ryoma is busted.
>>332259176
>Birthright characters
>better than Conquest characters
Birthright has only a small handful of interesting characters.
>Ryoma
Asshole, but he's a beast unit
>Takumi
A SHIT, but interesting, and a beast unit
>Hinoka
Literally no point now that she has what she's always wanted (you)
>Sakura
Just kind of there
>Hana
Shitty unit, as memorable as drywall
>Hinata
Only memorable for the bara porn and his meme son
>Subaki
Literally just a Cordelia who sucks ass
>Kaden
LOL WOW EPIC RANDOM HYPER
>Rinkah
Cool as fuck, but wow is she terrible
>Oboro
Great
>Azama
Great
>SaizoHotand okay, I guess, but I can't name one notable feature of his personality
>Izana
Bit of a meme man and a mediocre unit, but still cool as fuck
>Skymilf
Boring
>Yukimura or whatever the fuck his name is
Boring
>Not Ricken
Literally who?
>Dumb Archer
Pretty good
Not counting the children because no one cares about them.
I have a feeling I forgot some characters, but I have absolutely no idea who so I'm not even gonna bother.
Birthright in general is boring as fuck. The only times their characters are nearly all interesting is in Revelations, when they can interact with the infinitely superior Conquest characters.
I would recommend it. The conquest version specifically since it has the best gameplay.
Pirate if possible so can play jap dub + free dlc. Yes the English voices are that bad and I'm not a dual audio fag.
If you pirate I'd recommend the undub US version since face rubbing was always retarded and loses its novelty the third time you scratch your waifus retina's to build support.
Although I think playing the jap version with the noa translation might have access to more dlc.. I'm not sure.
Don't bother with the fan translation because they still haven't translated tons of support convo's (and probably never will).
ALSO
If you play conquest DONT FORGET TO GRAB THE FLAME SHURIKEN FROM SAIZO ON CHAPTER 12
If you miss that Felicia loses a lot f her usefulness.
>>332259601
I agree with you man, Hoshido was super forgettable but that doesn't change the fact that the royals are retarded on the conquest side.
>>332259968
I guess I'll give it another shot then. I just want to be done with Birthright already since I'm in Ch 25 and keep getting my ass handed to me on this map.
>>332260038
I might just end up doing this. I really only wanted Shiro because I use 3 female children (Kana, Selkie and Midori) and a male child would be able to A support them all. None of the other children looked good to me.
>>332259163
Are you gay?
>>332260176
>3 female children
I fucked up, I use 4. I forgot I also use Sophie.
>>332252140
Convenient shit, Kamui and Aqua are beta as fuck. Also pretty dumb.
>W-whoops! The crystal ball that exposes Garon as a slime ball mysteriously broke! Can't get another one, so let's just Conquer Hoshido!
>>332260153
>Yes the English voices are that bad and I'm not a dual audio fag.
Eh, I think it's just hit-or-miss. Not atrocious.
The guys are generally great, but the girls are mostly bad or acceptable.
>Oboro, the Nohr hater, can marry Silas
Something about that don't sound right.
>>332260176
Did you utilize Hinoka? If you activate the Dragon's Vein in the center, you can just camp in that room until reinforcements stop coming.
Boots in the top right chest by the way.
>>332260068
>light damage
Kill me
You can marry your imouto
10/10
>>332260156
To be fair, if you're in contact with the main story, you'll end up being infected with some degree of retardism.
I've always found Leo decently reasonable, and while Xander is blindly loyal, I really felt like he cleaned up his act nicely in the end.
>>332260395
Who wants to tell him?
>>332260395
She's not actually your imouto.
-10/10
>>332260349
My Hinoka is one of my best units. I might just do this then.
>>332260429
My problem is how everyone on the conquest side knows garon is a fucker, they know this well before you even pick a side. Yet when you join hoshido he's some how worth protecting. It's like they completely forget he's a fucker.
>>332260452
>>332260463
I've known.
It's close enough.
>>332247410
The same thing happened to me when I started playing MH3U, but then I tried each and every weapons 'til I found one I liked. (Great hammer)
You're truly missing out, Anon.
>>332260129
I think that skymilf shows a key side to Hoshido that they aren't all peace lovers. She has fucking bloodlust and is a key member to the Queen.
the story in literally every fire emblem games is shit. do you remember in fire emblem 7 whenEliwood gets that dragon slaying sword and then ninian goes "OOOHH NO, I'M A DRAGON, THOUGH" and eliwood goes "WHHAAAAT, OH NO, MY SWORD IS MOVING ON ITS OWN, NINIAN MOVE OUT OF THE WAYY AAAA" and then Ninian fucking dies for literally know reason and all the characters are sad about it forever.
Like, you can't make this shit up man. The characters are almost always one-note because there's so goddamn many of them, and the plots are always "there's a dark evil thing and some royals journey around in the middle of war times and find out about it slowly, then they find out someone close to them was the main dark evil one guy, then they find the fire emblem and they kill the dark evil guy the end"
Literally the only reason to play the games is the gameplay, which is fucking fine. Conquest's gameplay is fucking great and all three brought a ton of new changes that the series had been desperate for since it's fucking inception and really fixed a lot of the poor design decisions that had been in the game since its inception.
>>332260340
Yeah you're right
I mainly only had a problem with Effie, Hinoka, Sakura, and Felicia.
I guess it's also worth noting that if you play the English dub you get cool Crit quotes
They lose all of their magic when you can't understand them.
I bet Odin has some great ones.
>>332260129
You forgot the dyke girl.
>>332260742
>"""""""""cool"""""""" crit quotes
>2016
>not speaking nip
>>332260724
Speaking of which, I heard the Fire Emblem appears or some shit in revelations? What context?
>>332260553
Yeah, fair enough. I really wish Garon got some fleshing out as a character, because from what I've read, he actually sounded pretty interesting before he was possessed. Unfortunately, all I've really seen in game is that people say "he wasn't so bad before." We're given no indication as to why he was ever considered trustworthy.
That's why these games need damn base conversations, just ways to flesh out the world a bit more without shoehorning it into a support or a main story cutscene.
>>332260854
Awakening had lots of cool Crit quotes nigga and who the fuck speaks nip
>>332260742
Besides "WE'VE GOT TRABBLE", Felicia's voice is fine and fits her very well. Sakura's alright too considering her personality.
>>332260724
>OH NO, MY SWORD IS MOVING ON ITS OWN
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>>332260553
Well I think the other three follow Xander's lead in most cases, and he is in some serious denial over Garon. Specifically, he idolized the real Garon and thinks that if they conquer Hoshido then Garon will 'go back to normal'. It's also comes across that the others are somewhat afraid of him.
Who did you guys marry in each route?
>>332260346
You can make her marry actually nohrians too like Niles and Benny.
>>332261103
Birthright : Oboro
Conquest : Felicia
Revelation : Azura (it's basically canon so why not)
>>332261012
Awakening did, but the majority of Fates' are mediocre.
>>332261103
Hinoka, Laslow's spawn, and Setsuna
>>332261103
Beruka in Conquest
And In thinking about Setsuna or Midori in Revelations
>>332260724
Sure, it still had some bullshit in it, but it makes attempts to flesh out the characters and world more. Like how you get more insight into the Bern Royal family, their own insecurities and power stuggles in a few chapters than you do with any of the countries in the entirety of Fates.
>>332261016
Idk I really can't stand how stupid Felicia sounds in English when she sounds so cute in Japanese
Sakura was just preference
I thought her voice was to deep for how little she was
>>332261103
Cyrus in Hoshido
Probably Leon when I get to Nohr.
I will never play Mamui except once in conquest when I marry Camilla.
>>332261103
I can't do the rest because my 3ds is as dead as the vita.
>>332261103
I've only played Birthright so far but I married Felicia. Conquest I plan to marry Nyx but who knows if that'll happen. I planned on marrying Hana before I started Birthright but I ended up liking Felicia too much. No idea in Revelations though.
>>332261103
The Butler/Maid. Didn't really plan to use Kana, so it made sense.
Ideally I think a Magic and Defense focused Kana would be the most practical, but I never wanted to figure out the best parent for her.
>>332261270
Shit, did I say Midori I meant to say Mozu
>>332261103
Sakura
Beruka
Felicia (she was a good partner)
>mfw that one person who only married Ryoma and did it like 10 times
Who has good supports with Mamui?
I enjoyed the Setsuna one in Birthright, haven't gotten to Conquest yet.
>>332261103
Hoshido: sterile
Nohr: Elise
IK: Elise
>>332246242
>That being said, Conquest is easily the second best gameplay in the entire series and is one of the best in the whole genre, and it also has the best waifu in the series in pic related.
I find that hard to believe. I love FE, but gameplay wise, they're incredibly mediocre as turn based strategy games go.
>>332261103
Still on my first playthrough, Conquest, and I married the ex-maid.
>>332261527
Pieri because.
>>332243945
Oh god, i'm playing Awakening and i'm really enjoying it. I was planning to play Fates but apparently the story is really shit. Please tell me it's atleast passable or something, cause I may not even bother if i can't look forward to the story.
>>332261580
Can you name any trpgs with better gameplay?
>>332261103Corrin married Azura in every route.
>>332261412
>mfw that one person who only married Ryoma and did it like 10 times
Wait really, what the fuck. How?
>>332261646
Fuck off Treehouse.
>>332261614
Yeah but it's Pieri
Anybody else?
>>332261626
Play for the gameplay man, not the story. That said, if you enjoy Awakening's story, Fates should be passable, I guess.
>>332261626
To be fair, I think Awakening's story sucks too. I like Fates' characters better than Awakening's but the plot has like 10x the ass pulls.
>>332261626
Awakening's story is garbage, 3/10 at best
Birthright's story is worse
Revelation's story is even worse
Conquest's story is worst of all
Since you're enjoying Awakening, you clearly don't care about gameplay. Why not play a game with a good story like tactics ogre?
>>332260346
It's actually about her overcoming her hatred for Nohrians to some degree, which makes it kind of cute
>>332261695
I don't self-insert with Corrin mang. I put the 2 shitty main characters together and then just went with the sweetest supports between everyone else.
>>332261669
I can relate, I've literally only married Cordelia in every run of Awakening. Except for that one time I fugged Nowi for Dragon Morgan.
>>332261103
PeriTakumi
Peri
>>332261715
>Anybody else?
Dyke lass.
>>332261626
Honestly, every Fire Emblem game's story is pretty shit. They all just amount to "oh no a warring nation is pure evil and wants to kill us because we might have mcguffin they want so we must fight" until eventually some kind of god or ultimate dragon shows up.
>>332261809
I've let myself get Chrommed inside on every run except for one because you just get so much value out of one character grind. Two children with galeforce and something like Aether on top of Robin getting it? For only the cost of reclassing and grinding Robin? Sign me the fuck up.
>>332261641
XCOM and Expeditions: Conquistador come to mind. They have much better use of terrain and flanking. Fire Emblem tends to barely require strategy, whereas the other 2 have heavy reliance on terrain, flanking, and a lot of different skills that open up your strategies.
Expeditions also has interesting character interaction, if you like that part of Fire Emblem. I love them all, but I don't exactly play FE because of the TBS.
>>332261669
Autism.
>>332261952
>warring nation is pure evil
Have you played Blazing Sword, Sacred Stones or Radiant Dawn? The "enemy country" is usually filled with internal conflict.
>>332261809
I sometimes have trouble marrying off other characters that Ive previously married.
Reminder that Lyn is ded
>>332262091
Same, it's autistic, but I forced Hinoka and Setsuna to stay pure in every playthrough I didn't marry them in.
>>332261580
I find FE unique as far as turn-based strategy games go. The maps are bigger than usual, the games have more limitations than usual (you cannot freely customize or grind, your abilities only hit one target, to me these are positives).
>>332261669
You do that again every time you replay the game? It's not hard if you have a favorite character. In fact my long term plans for this game also goes like that although I'm not going to fuck Ryouma. I won't even pick up the kid or bother playing cupid with the others either.
>>332261103
ryouma
joker
ryouma
>>332261669
true love
>>332262192
Nah, she's still alive looking for Mark.
To the point she's abandoned her family and friends.
>>332261763
Of course I care about the gameplay, otherwise I would have stopped playing Awakening a long time ago. And maybe it's just my shit taste, but I like the story in Awakening, so far atleast.
>>332261103
Birthright: Oboro
Conquest: Camilla
Revelation: Cannot decide yet. Honestly I don't feel strongly enough to any of the kids or Reina and Flora comes way too late.
>>332262326
So Marc was Morgan, right? Or was it supposed to be Robin between being kidnapped from Plegia and meeting the Shepherds?>implying the devs would seriously consider this
>>332261763
Awakening's story may have been subpar, but at least it was made decently. Fates is essentially a giant pile of wasted potential All of the things are there but it's made so bad that most people could probably head canon up a better story.
So what features do you guys want to return in the next Fire Emblem game and features you could do without. Personally I really like the way they changed up the weapon triangle and well as the addition of unit skills for each character, I wouldn't mind seeing children characters go unless they handle it differently in the next game.
>>332261103
Birthright- kagerou
Conquest- Beruka
Revelations- gay tharja
>>332262302
oh but my original choice for conquest was marx but it's too late for that
>>332262470
I dunno, maybe Mark's resemblance to Robin is like Eliwood's to Roy.
>>332262574
Weapons that remove clothes
>>332260129
>Ryoma
Great unit, serious nature but loves his family above all else
>Takumi
A bro in Birthright. Went through suffering for you.
>Hinoka
She spent her childhood playing with you. She's dedicated her life for you. She's beautiful, flawed yet perfect, loved and loved by all. She is the perfect wife. My opinion, but she can totally single handedly carry the entire Hoshido cast over Nohr's cast.
>Sakura
The shy type. Not much.
>Hana
Trains and has a sunny personality.
>Hinata
Handsome and loves to be there for his friends.
>Subaki
Don't like him that much.
>Kaden
He's okay.
>Rinkah
I don't like her personality and she's a terrible unit. Why people would like using her is beyond me.
>Oboro
Tell me you don't like her smug face and I will punch you.
>Azama
Best in banter
>Saizo
Cool dude. Like him and Kaze really.
>Izana
"Funny" man.
>Skymilf
Okay.
>Setsuna
Like her character and she's a great unit.
>Orochi
She's hot. Good at banter and teasing too because, well if you know what they're gonna say in advance you would be good at it too.
As I have said, Hoshido has a lot of great characters.
>>332262574
I think gameplay wise, the old FEs had a pretty great formula for their simpler systems. Fates' gameplay additions make it feel like an entirely new kind of Fire Emblem with more customization and effects throughout, which is nice because it's kind of becoming it's own thing.
Aside from a decent plot and the omission of children (or their own separate child generation), I'd love to see the return of base conversations and maybe even bonus exp.
If there's going to be an Avatar character, they should just be a regular soldier so you can bro it up with your whole army. While they're at it, they should give you options when doing a support, so you can decide for yourself if you like a support with a character or not.
>>332261715
Not him but Mamui's Peri support is particularly terrible. However with that said Kamui doesn't have any really good supports, mostly as a symptom of every C-A support needing to be the same.
>>332262574
I really liked debuffs, even if it spawned ninja rape cave. I also likedtaking away durability. It enables what were once subpar weapons now have a reason to be used because they come with different drawbacks and buffs
Kids can fuck off unless it makes sense. I know it gets a lot of deserved shit but Awakening kids made sense. Fates is dumb. If there is a secluded reason or whatever where time passes stupidly fast, what's preventing people from staying there and training while only a day passes in the real world?
>>332262574
I actually like the facility aspect of My Castle. Deciding what to devote your DVP to first and building up the place has a nice progression kind of feel to it and I'd love to see something similar come back even if it's all menu based and no longer Happy Castle Designer. The units taking shifts at all the facilities is a thing I really liked too.
>>332243945
Play conquest on hard/classic if you love SRPGs.
Revelations + cheat device for online play.
Honestly just hack your DS.
>>332262906
Yeah, but now no one uses Silver or Brave weapons
>>332262970
>Still haven't downgraded.
O-One day I will. Maybe. Haven't played the game either because of that, plus backlog.
>>332262972
I've used Brave weapons a couple of times, but Silver weapons generally just sit and stare at me in the convoy. I think the drawbacks on them were a bit too severe, but that's just me.
>>332262972
I used 'em all the time, they were great for units you stacked buffs on or had low skill to begin with. Silver Axes are best axes.
So does elemental magic not exist anymore past Fire and Thunder (and Robin's Thoron tome)?
I can't keep up with these special snowflake names
>>332263041
It's a pain in the ass if you have a N3DS but find a day to burn chilling in #3dshacks and you'll make it.
>>332262906
Speaking of debuffs I liked the way they made Staff users ever more than simple Healers, it gives you more options and makes your healing units even more usefull.
>>332243945
The plot is terrible, but the gameplay is great and the characters are pretty likable. The Hoshido royals are boring, but the Nohr royals are good because they're fucked up.
>>332263191
they took out element types
no more elthunder and all those, no more bonus damage on dragons or beasts, it's all just normal magic now and nosferatu is for dank mages
>>332263194
It is an N3Ds, and fuck the little shit refuses to downgrade. I get stuck at the actual downgrade, either nothing happens or I get an error about not finding whatever the cia files or whatever, and I've tried plenty of solutions to no avail.
But yeah, I'll try again. I could buy the game too, but I'm still butthurt so fuck that.
>>332263238
>The Hoshido royals are boring, but the Nohr royals are good because they're fucked up.
Well debatable in the cases of Takumi, who is every bit as fucked up as anyone in Nohr, and Elise who is 130% lovable and perfect cinnamon rolls.
>>332263191
Fimbulvetr is in. It's the snow/wind tome. Then there are a couple of more. And their's I think one Dark tome, Nosferatu. But the different element types/effects are generally gone for now. Fates was kind of weird on the magic side.
Personally I miss light magic.
>>332262574
>what features do you guys want to return
Cut Through, Substitute, etc. whatever the space manipulating skills are called in English. For the love of god those are some things this dumb game did right.
Enemy capture. Just make it so it doesn't rely on RNG to actually bail them out afterwards.
All facilities being concentrated in one place.
>features you could do without
2nd gens, SUPPORTS. I don't give a shit if it's a "series's staple". Clearly it's there so that autistic shippers can have their fill. If you think the west's situation was bad, feel free to look into what the nips have been doing with FE in their free time.
Dual mechanics. These were more refined in FEif, but the game still relies on them a lot and it's rare to see separated units at all after a certain point in the game.
All of the online shit. Too bad the only feasible way for this to happen at this point is for the entire earth's internet to go down. It's a fucking shame.
>>332262972
You use them to nuke strong enemies. Both are definitely necessary inLTC.
>>332263372
The solution is really just don't be discouraged.
It took me ~200 tries. And yes, I usually had to restart the thing repeatedly because sysupdater crashed.
You can double check that you're using the right CIA files (from 3dsiso) and the right version of sysupdater for your firmware, but you probably are. You're welcome to open and close FTPBrony before you start if it makes you feel better. I tried everything too. But the reality is you are probably doing everything right. It just takes a lot of tries.
>>332259698
>If anything can do anything and be anything then where is the strategy? Why is there even a distinction between units anymore?
This is how i felt about D5 wanting to try the series. It was all about big numbers and having powerhouses crush everything. Why bother with tactics if there is no pressure to do what you can with your limitations?
>>332263393
I thought Elise talks smack to an elderly and outright bullies Sakura in one of the scenes. She isn't completely "perfect", formal and sterile.
>>332263854
Sakura is meant to be bullied
And if you mean in Birthright, she doesn't really talk smack, from what I remember, it's all done in a lighthearted way.
Since we always talk about the best girl and best fans, let's do the opposite.
Who is the worst girl and worst fans?
>>332264006
Your favorite girl.
>>332243945
Normally FE plots are usually just there to move the game forward
Fates' plot just makes you stop and think "who the fuck wrote this?"
That said the gameplay is fun
Not sure how people receive the characters of both games. I like conquest's way more than birthright's.
>>332264006
worst girl is a toss-up
worst fanbase is oboro's
>>332263854
She is compared to the other royals at least. Mainly she's there to be cute. I dunno, I've issues with moe.
>>332264006
Talking about Fates?Severa/Selenafagsare probably the worst.
>>332263732
Thanks anon. I had about 30 attempts or so, about half of them froze at sysupdater, and the other half didn't work at the downgrade. I guess I'll just keep trying.
And yeah I verified the cia files, got the ones for the N3DS and everything, I cleaned up the SD card. Don't know what else. I'll give it a shot next weekend.
>>332264006
camilla
her supports are boring and she has virtually no personality
people only really like her fortworeasons
>>332264128
>Not sure how people receive the characters of both games
This one of the polls in Japan. Actually this was the official one.
>>332264006
Perrifags hands down. At least Camillafags learned how to be humble after that english VA came out.
>>332263563
Wonder how many hours she has to spend to get her hair right with that spiral pattern.
>>332264006
Worst girl isPeri/Hana/Camilla/Rinkah
Ignoring the children since most of them have no personality.
Worst fanbase is a toss up, but that one Hinokafag is starting to tip the scales, even if I love the character myself.
>>332263960
Yeah I know it's not FUCK OFF MADAM levels but it startled me a bit. It's unusually rude, at least. I read it all the way back in the Japanese version though so it might be different
>>332264171
If you really have issues with that you should look at the dainty untouchable flower over in the Hoshido side.
Is it just me or is Sakura really REALLY boring
She's just sort of there
Not plot relevant at all and Hinoka does the nice girl act better
>>332264348
Too bad the same didn't happen to Charlottefags or Hinokafags or whichever one that one faggot and that Michlan faggot are.
>>332264468
If we're going off of one fag of note, then you know who is surely at the top since he's all over her pre-incarnation in Fates too.
>>332264347
So we can expect Xander, Leo, Camilla, and Oboro clones next game. Neat
>>332264626
They don't bring back plot relevant characters.
>>332264128
I never really felt the "who the fuck wrote this"
I mean it wasn't spectacular and there was some dumb and unnecessary things (Why does Nohr Corrin never kill anyone? I chose Nohr, let me kill Hoshidans) but it was just something to move the story along, like you say
Maybe I just have low standards, I tend to enjoy most things
>>332264626
No, you get Morgan and Kana's wacky fun time adventures with a third self insert on a quest to kill dragons because they're jews.
>>332264673
Isn't Ryoma's son basically Chrom
>>332264626
I have a feeling they won't go for the clone thing again since none of the clones (Caeldori, Asugi, Rhajat) are particularly high.
>>332264006
Worst girl is a toss-up between Peri, Felicia and Selena.
Worst fanbase is also between those probably. I don't want to say Hinokafags because of a few shitposters though.
>>332264758
No.
>>332264758
Nope, not even in the pre-incarnation way that Asugi, Rhajat, and Caeldori are implied to be. He's just an unfortunate case of looking like Chrom a bit.
>>332264748
>tfw no dlc with amnesic again Morgan falling into Fates and adventuring with Kana
>no scene with Odin, Laslow, and Selena encountering them just before Morgan goes back home
I'd absolutely buy Morgan dlc tbqh family
>>332264006
It's hard to pick a worst girl because everybody has SOMETHING to like about them and I'm an easy to please person.
Worst fanbase is easily the DIDN'T EXPECT THAT DIDJA crowd. Felicia's even my favorite girl too, but she's really getting ruined on this board.
>>332261103
Kaden!
How hard is Conquest Hard for SRPG noobs?
>>332264940
Speaking of which, how did Morgan place in polls? They seems pretty popular here, but didn't get a Scramble spot.
>>332264691Crystal ball and secret dragon dimension that Azura can't talk aboutwere dumb as fuck plot points
>>332265257
Fuck your ass dry level. Don't try it if you're not a veteran.
>>332265257
Without grinding or abusing, it's quite hard. Probably not something a SRPG noob should tackle yet.
So what will the next Avatar's gimmick be? We have already done amnesiac and half dragon, whats next on the special snow flake wheel. My money is that he is going to be from the past that wakes up in the present.
>>332265286
>here
Keyword if you're in the west. The popularity polls were Japanese. And the characters that got scramble spots were the top 2 boys and girls from the parent and child generations. So it was Gaius, Chrom, Cordelia, Tharja, Inigo, Lucina, Owain, and Severa.
>>332265469
Fell into the past and finds his way back to the present later where you can fuck the kid units.
>>332265216
Loved killing this fucker, stupid fox. Hated him when I played birthright.
>>332265469
A god. I'm not even joking. I fully believe ISIS will trying some bullshit like that.
>>332265413
>>332265468
Okay then, should I go Conquest Normal, Birthright Hard or Revelations Hard/Normal?
>>332265609
Since you're new, you may want to start out on Birthright Hard.
>>332265073
Yeah it only takes a few to ruin a character for everyone. I've always been worried that it would happen to the ones I liked the most, one in-particular. And we all remember /him/ I'm sure.
>>332265308
Yeah those were dumb too, but I've come to accept Blood Pacts as a plot device since it allows for things to happen, so I guess it wasn't the most offensive thing to happen.The stupidity did allow for you to take part in invading Hoshido (albeit in Nohr Corrin's merciful way), which is what I wanted from the start so I was more forgiving than I probably should have been
>>332263219
What do you mean? Status staves existed before Fates.
>>332265669
>tfw no one cares about my favorite characters
I'm safe.
>>332265662
Alright thanks
Is Revelations Hard hard?
>>332265860
It should be about Birthright Hard hard.
>>332265760
>Status staves existed before Fates.
>FE before Awakening and Fates
Now, anon you know better. FE13 is FE1 and FE14 is FE2.
>>332265860
Not particularly. It's slightly harder than Birthright but not as hard as Conquest.
>>332265673Personally I think Conquest would have worked better if you took over Hoshido in the first couple of chapters of Conquest, and then had you tackle the issues in Nohr with civil war and shit
>>332265776
ha, same, he's actually popular but people on 4chan aren't fond of him so no one can ruin him for me
>>332265896
>>332265939
Any reason to go Birthright Hard rather than Revelations Hard? Aside from better plot being easier, I don't want the game to be too easy.
>>332262326
literally where is this said
>>332266157
In his fanfics.
>>332265970
So you mean finishing yourFire Emblem™ Fates™Conquest around about a few chapters after getting Xander, then sorting out internal troubles after that?
Might be interesting, but the question to ask there is what would Corrin's motivations be after the first half? Other than dethroning Garon, of course. The pacing would be odd unless it was written really well, since the climax of defeating the enemy nation is blown halfway through
>>332266082
I'd say to get you used to the gameplay. Some of Revelation's maps can be interesting with their objectives/gimmicks so it would be better if you had a handle on the game before getting weird things thrown at you.
>>332266157
People tend to take what happened with Awakening's fanservice and retroactively apply it to the older games. None of Lyn's endings in 7 say this. And the implication of what that anon's talking about is present in Awakening in the form of a card that's a shade of the original person.
>>332266157
>taking anonymous bullshit seriously
Did you know the definition of insanity? It's doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
>>332266269
Not mine, those are about Foleo getting pregnant.
In his ass.
Conquest isn't even challenging. You can get through it just fine by placing your toughest unit just inside enemy attack range and luring groups over to their death while occasionally positioning the rest of your units to protect your flank in case of reinforcements. You're still given OP as fuck royals to carry the rest of your army. The only thing it has going for it is a new map gimmick every other level to keep things fresh.
Combined with a shit story and a largely unlikable main cast it makes for a mediocre game.
>>332266625
You can just recruit OP units online or from your logbook.
>>332266625
>Fire Emblem isn't even challenging. You can get through it just fine by placing your toughest unit just inside enemy attack range and luring groups over to their death while occasionally positioning the rest of your units to protect your flank in case of reinforcements. You're still given OP as fuck royals to carry the rest of your army. The only thing it has going for it is a new map gimmick every other level to keep things fresh. Combined with a shit story and a largely unlikable main cast it makes for a mediocre game.
Watch the supports on Youtube if you want a laugh. A third of the game isn't worth $40, and it all certainly isn't worth $80.
>>332266625
Fuck off back to Gamefaqs, Endgame, did you fuck your Aisha pillow today yet?
>>332266768
>>332266695
>Waaah, he insulted my waifu simulator!
So I'm nearing the end of Birthright (just finished Ch 26) and all these deaths are leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Even characters I didn't initially like likeXander and Elisemade me feel bad when they died. I know the general consensus of Revelations is that the story is dogshit but would it be worth a playthrough just to have everyone alive?
>>332243945
Playing FE for plot is like watching interracial porn for black women.
Conquest is the gameplay in a modern installment. It's the only one worth getting in my opinion and it's an excellent game besides that. The units having boring personalities, and the story is garbage, but this isn't a walking simulator. It's a reset-simulator and a damned good one.
>>332266887
That's the only reason to play Revelations, and even then a couple people still die.
>>332266887
i believe every route is worth playing once, so go for it
>>332266887
>everyone alive?
People still bite it in this route. Just none of the Royals.
>>332266927
>watching interracial porn for black women
They're the only reason I watch interracial porn.
>>332266927
So are you looking at the white guys or black guys, then?
>>332266625
Cool post guy. Gonna tell us how Birthright is the superior game now?
>>332266927
>like watching interracial porn for black women.
>>332266946
>>332266976
Well, wait. I thought the only recruitable character that bites it isScarlet.Does anyone else eat it?
>>332266927
>units having boring personalities
>arthur
>felicita
>elise
>leo
>laslow
>peri
>effie
>keaton
>midori
>soleil
>boring
come on
>>332267071Izana.
>>332266927
I don't understand, can you use a hentai example?
>>332267071Izanadies.
>>332267118
Not him but while I wouldn't say boring per se, some of those might be kind of annoying like Peri and Soleil.
>>332267146
And nothing of value was lost.
>>332267146
>>332267202
Well shit. I wanted to use him in Revelations since I never bothered in Birthright. Oh well.
>>332266927
Playing FE for plot is llke watching NTR self inserting as the woman.
I hope we get cooler crits next game
Mind you there are still some cool ones in Fates, like the ninjas.
>>332267335
Crits are probably gonna be ass as long as they're using 3d models.
At least the lightning-cut in faces and sealing the deal with a catchy one liner are radical as fuck.
>>332267335
Most of the crits looks cool, it's just the crit quotes that are kinda lacking in my opinion.
And the finisher animations are a nice touch
>>332267335
The inner weeaboo in me loves the male ninja close range shurikan crit where he's two shadows that just flash through the enemy. Kaze pulls that off so well.
Meanwhile when Selkie does it she has the shadows but just walks up to the enemy and I can't take it seriously.
>>332267335
>tfw 2D FE will never return
>if it does it'll still have 3d sprites a la shadow dragon remake
>crits will always be utter garbage
>>332267432
isis atleast is improving with crit animation atleast, we got acrobatic horses and spinning weapons are sorta back. General improved alot, i blame kellam for the crits in awakening being so boring and just charging like a shopping cart to cause damage. Fates generals are wonderful with spinning lances.
>>332267706
This
Too bad swordmasters suck ass in this one, there was so much
>HE'S FAST
potential, given Hoshido is basically samurai land.
>It's a "sit there and watch enemy ninjas debuff and poison your units while you can't do anything" episode
>>332267118
Leo is boring.
Laslow is boring.
Peri is overrated and boring. She's cute though.
Effie is sort of boring.
Midori is okay.
Soleil is annoying/
>>332267851
>it's a "underleveled ally unit decides to kamikaze the enemy" episode
Eat up anon.
>>332267851
>almost finished with ninja rape cave
>95% chance to kill one of the last few ninjas
>fucking misses
>SCHWING
Why even fucking bother with classic?
>>332254941
Man I miss those threads.
>>332268023
To suffer.
>>332248792
it's actually reverse normandy
>Hidden truths 1
>up against the boss with selena
>He fucking crits me and I miss my 80~% counter attack
>die to the archer behind him
fuck this game
>>332267706
Oh yeah, the generals spinning their lance reminded me so much of GBA generals (minus the chains)
>>332267824
Swordmasters are great! That kick into sword slash is satisfying every time I watch it
>>332267851
>it's a those stupid villagers with a deathwish keep going north to the enemy episode
oh okay then
>>332259329
>>332259159
>>332259013
>>332249780
oh yeah, and the streamers was talking about sex all the way through. I even got banned from the chat because I stated that was the worst display of gameplay I had ever seen.And remarked that's why they say women don't play videogames
>>332243945
Turn based gameplay is so 90s.
The Valkyria Chronicles has made a revolution in the turn based combat, but the developers still don't wanna use that breakthrough.
>>332268023
Because Casual mode is easy as hell. It might not seem it, but having units just retreat removes pretty much all of the challenge from the game, since alot of the strategy in Classic is about doing stuff without getting your units killed in the process
>>332243945
No, go play Awakening or Path of radiance or Sacred stones or some shit
If Saizo dies in the ninja cave, can you still use him?
>>332267335
Post more crit animations, it doesn't matter which FE.
>>332268221
those chains made no sense but it was so satisfying knowing hearing your spear pierced straight in and your guy just yanks it out
>>332268402
You don't use him in the route.
>>332253520
2nd gens get auto-leveled so they're not bad
What's wrong with giving freedom to the players, though?
>>332268360
>changed to casual out of rage
>still restart should a unit die
Why do I do this? Just force of habit?
>>332267851
>it's a "try to sync your actions with moving platforms" episode
Fuck the third route
>>332268521
See >>332259698
Freedom is bad as far as strategy games are concerned. That's like playing chess and in between the turns you upgrade everything into queens.
>>332268639
Aaaand I'm out
>>332268521
>that ophelia
Damn son how'd you swing that?
>>332268590
I'm playing Lunatic Conquest to gather up fun generics (already finished it on hard and was curious how many new skills they get), and I put it on Casual to make it more relaxed. I still restart if a unit dies due to me being an idiot, since it's way to easy if you don't
>>332268521
>those tome namesYou did it too, I see.
>>332268416
Why don't we have more lords with Lances as their prf? I know the sword is the archtypical hero weapon but goddamit Lances are sweet.
>>332268494
Follow up question.
Is there a reward for letting him not die
>>332268849
>Camilla is Mitsuru
Best girl in both games.
>>332268971
Speedwing, somewhat useful but not exactly that important
>>332268971
yes
i forgot what it was tho, but its nothing too major.
>>332268849
>those names make people think of persona first
At least the image is funny.
>>332268682
It's not like you can do everything, and it's not like skills don't cost resources. You still can't change classes, or base stats.
There is no "purchase to win" skill that nor any other function like that with online stuff, maybe outside of rewards that are a bitch to get in the first place. Even hacked skills like Aptitude are not going to help you all that much and cost way too much.
Hell, in order to get specific skills you need to know someone who has it.
>>332268727
Just have her mother be Elise. I used online to grind the support so I didn't have to deal with Odin's shit and just use her normally. She always comes out great.
>>332268849
>Purse Owner 3
Casual
>>332268682
Just limit yourself, this is fun for most people and encourages people to do runs "no sidechapters" or "basara only" let people play as they want, limiting is sorta why fire emblem shadow dragon was bad, it was too much like it's original and barebonesnot talking about the fact that you had to let people die to get certain members
>>332269075
>>332269090SMT is on my list, I just don't have any hot memes to post. Which should I play first?
>>332269196
DDS and Nocturne are good places to start but you can just go by what interests you
>>332269196
Emulate 1 and 2, then nocturne, then strange journey, and finally IV.
Afterwards try the devil summoner games like soul hackers and raidou or if you like strategy games the devil survivor series might be to your taste.
>>332268521
>both versions demoinese for males and females on foleo
naughty anon
On that topic is hinoka or sakura better for leo
Hinoka sounds more fun and he can heal as a pegapony but sakura has better skills to handover i think
>>332269196
What's most easily accessible to you.
Persona 3 and 4 are the most reccomended places to start, but I started with Devil Survivor 1 on the DS.
Nocturne is the most common entry point to the mainline, but I prefer Strange Journey since it's easy to Emulate and/or pirate.
Read them up and start where you feel you'll be more comfortable at.
How do I online grind for resources and shit if I'm using the fan translation?
It's not bad, but it's not giving me the same feeling Awakening did. I'm a few hours in. If it doesn't pick up, I may not bothering finishing and just trade it in for some store credit.
>>332269373
I went Sakura on my all-children playthrough and he came out a as a good boycunt. His fat ass will slow him down a lot, though, so do keep him as a staffbot, but at least as a strategist he can dish out good damage.
>>332269482
get yourself a powersave and legend of zelda ooT and get yourself the japanese version of fates
I know it sounds silly but all the extra stuff helps fill it in.
>>332269090
>it's not like skills don't cost resources
A pitiful cost, and the manual equivalent of this costs WAY more than what you have to pay for the skill.
>You still can't change classes, or base stats.
Not that necessary now that you can get whatever skill you want. Changing classes deliberately also has the drawback of making you end up with an alien set of weapons. You don't want that. And leveling up remedies your stats so the base literally doesn't matter to people who use these features. You can buy seals to extend your level too.
>There is no "purchase to win" skill nor any other function like that with online stuff
Are you kidding? You can deck your Avatar with Astra, Luna, Sol, Lethality before doing the Mozume paralogue.
>Even hacked skills like Aptitude are not going to help you all that much
Except Aptitude WILL help you that much. That's why a grinded Mozume will always turn out great.
>>332269602I want to do things to Toki
Speaking of Mozume, I've heard people say she should be an archer but my weapon master redneck was already a blender.
Is she that much better as a bowlsut?
>>332269498
>Aqua the Berserker
>>332269769
She is, she's probably gonna be damn good. If you have a dread scroll that works as well.
>>332269817
She's already a raging retard.
>>332269602
You seem to be rather misinformed, as if you hadn't played the game. Nothing is as easily accessible as you make it seem. Picture Conquest, your resources are counted, so all the cash you spend is crucial.
So what if you can deck the avatar with all the proc skills. You now have skills that, since it's the beginning of the game costed you your whole lot and they do jack shit because they all conflict with each other and you don't even have the skill to proc them. Even at the endgame they don't trigger consistently.
Aptitude only raises 10% to all stats, that's literally 1 point every 10 levels. Mozu is good because she also is naturally a good unit. You don't even need to grind Mozu all that much, even in Nohr she's a very good unit.
>>332269817
a damn good berserker she was
>>332269769
I think it's more she kind of frail at the beginning and most enemys have no way to attack back so she hits hard, gets a level up and hits harder.
premetive strike bowfaire line of death sniper mozume is a monster easily doing 32-40 damage to units along with pair up
Before the thread dies, I'm about to finish Birthright and am going over to Conquest. I initially had my base class as Knight (and my Corrin wrecked as a Great Knight/General) but I feel like with Effie and Benny that another Knight would be redundant (even though I don't know if I'll use Effie or not just yet). Any ideas what my base class should be now? I plan to marry Nyx so should I go for some type of magic class or maybe a Hoshido class like Swordmaster?
>>332243945
Everything's awful.
Translation's awful
The kids were awful. No point getting them when you have to pair Kamui to the two worst characters in-game.
Content is lacking and gutted out.
0/10
Are you fucking kidding me
>>332269442
pls respond.
>>332270120
Ryoma is just not that good.
>>332269769I did things to Toki. Very fun partner to carry around
Bows supposedly have a ton of Mt, and the bow classes have damage boosts and crits out of the ass. With Mozume you can always swing by weapon master to get Line of Death. I know my bowslut Mozume in my non-serious Hoshido Lunatic run was able to 1RKO the generals in endgame chapter as soon as she hit Lv.15
>>332269947
I have 160 hours in the game, faggot, don't pull that card on me. I played the game before you even got it in English.
>Picture Conquest, your resources are counted
You mean the route where you literally get showered with money as long as you complete extra objectives? If you want a route where you're strapped on cash try looking at the third route.
>So what if you can deck the avatar with all the proc skills.
Those are high end skills. Now imagine replacing those with the more sure-fire, passive skills.
>Mozu is good because she also is naturally a good unit.
That's bullshit. Mozu's bases are barely the same as yours. Look at her growths. Now add 10% to all of them. It's fucking insane.
>>332270120
BAHAHAHAHAHA
THE RNG GODS LITERALLY HATE YOU
I'm surprised Ophelia was my first victim of growth RNG. Not that it matters at this point anyways.
>>332270120
I don't even take chances on crits anymore because of shit like this. I made it all the way to the end of the Rainbow Sage chapter in Birthright only to die to a 5% crit right at the end from a Berserker. Had to fight King Garon just now and I had units that had 1, 2, or even 3% crit chance from Garon and I said fuck it, not a chance in hell.
>>332270215
>Mozu is good because she also is naturally a good unit.
Hold on, it seems we actually are in agreement on this.
>>332270358
So she's related to Ike.
Mozu a shit.
Requires too much babying.
>>332270215
>strapped on cash
>3rd route
sure the route where after every map two missions with 1000 gold pop out? The same route where by chapter 15 you pretty much have every C rank weapon?
Those are still just percentages, a 10% of difference sounds a lot when you do a summatory, but overall they don't impact as much. 20% does, but 10% doesn't.
And you're still complaining about optional content you don't need to use. It sounds more like you spoiled yourself your first playthough and now blame the game rather than yourself.
>>332270210
putting swordbreaker on Xander was a mistake.
>>332270019
go for it, samurai is the go to and it pairs well with your baseclass. unless you picked a waifu already and want to get her something nice.
>>332270542
her own chapter provides her enough kills to get C rank with spears or bows and if you hit lightly enough you can get over level 10, easily equal or higher than other units you may have. Not that bad.
>>332270652
It's not my fault that Wyvern Lord > Falco Knight.
>>332270584
>str 0
>>332270584
>sure the route where after every map two missions with 1000 gold pop out?
See, this is the shitty fucking thing about FEif discussions. You are now EXPECTED to use the skirmish maps. Unbelievable.
>And you're still complaining about optional content you don't need to use. It sounds more like you spoiled yourself your first playthough and now blame the game rather than yourself.
I have nothing to blame on myself. I'm blaming new wave faggots like you who treat this as if it's something ok to do in Fire Emblem, and the game enabling people like you because it didn't have more restrictions and limitations on things. The "optional content" is preventing discussion of the game because nobody is on the same wavelength. As evident in this exchange.
>>332270821
How does Ryoma's damage go down by 10, how does that even make sense.
>>332270776
That's the definition of babying.
>>332270878
Armoured blow, makes you take -10 damage if you initiate the attack
>>332270878
http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Armored_Blow
>>332270906
you said too much, her own chapter gets her enough to get going.
trainees curse but hers is self contained,
>>332270821
yeah I tried out the rest of the siblings afterwards but they all were incredibly one-sided unless I began banning stuff. Then it became more of a chore than fun so I gave up on the project.
>>332270850
I never used the skirmished on Revelations and always had good cash, what are you on about? You don't even need money, that route gives you enough stuff to get by for free.
>It's not ok to use functions in the game I am not forced to use!
>the only valid way to play is MINE!
>ME! LISTEN TO ME I TELL YOU!
Go to Serene's Forest, faggot.
>>332271067
Who won the other duels?
>>332271067
that poor elise, not loli enough to be spared by sakura
>>332271173
Leo (Takumi has shit res, Leo has good defense and Takumi can't counter attack on Leo's turn) and Sakura (Magic fucking counter, Elise has no def and Sakura has shitloads of res).
I didn't actually bother to pin Camilla and Hinoka.
>>332270821
How does he go from 44 to 17 health.
>>332271067
>Hinoka's stats shit all over Camilla's except in strength
Wait how do people say Camilla is better again?
>>332270358
>Ophelia's quote when only 2 or 3 of her stats raise on level up
Never before have I connected with an FE character this deeply.
>>332270776
I'm pretty sure you need 50 hits to reach C rank in anything.
You can only get her to Lv.6 on Lunatic.
>>332271067
>I never used the skirmished on Revelations and always had good cash, what are you on about?
I'm very confident that route only gives you 10k gold every 9 chapters. Possibly some in the snow chapter but I'm not a faggot who tore the entire place up for drops.
>that route gives you enough stuff to get by for free
Let me guess, you killed every single enemy units in every map despite the entire route being Kill commander?
You need the money for tonics and effective weapons. The game doesn't give you those for free or for every of your units.
>Go to Serene's Forest, faggot.
I would if Serene's wasn't chock full of SJWs and pretentious shitlords studying for a literature degree.
>the only valid way to play is MINE
It's not necessarily my way. It's established in the series a long time ago before Awakening shit everything up and dragged along a bunch of unsavory retards like you into the fray.
>>332271401
Camilla comes to you at chapter 10 with 20 in Str and Speed.
>>332271345
Ask
>>332271308
>>332271401
Because 20/20 stats are for the most part, worthless in Fire Emblem.
>>332271345
Yeah what the fuck, that doesn't even make sense at all. Did you do some weird shit, did you take off a skill or something?
>>332271428
>I'm not a faggot who tore the entire place up for drops.
hahahaha. I'd love to see a shitter like you play Thracia.
>you killed every single enemy units in every map despite the entire route being Kill commander?
You didn't? Anyways you get soooo many fucking units you can just sell the leftover irons or forge them and never need to buy anything else. Money is trivial in the 3rd route.
>I would if Serene's wasn't chock full of SJWs and pretentious shitlords studying for a literature degree.
sounds right up your alley
>unsavory retards like you into the fray.
I'm not the one telling others how to play their game. You sound like a pretentious faggot that's not willing to adapt, let alone have fun.
>>332271345
I don't recall, they weren't the same battle. I had them fight multiple times. Even without swordbreaker Ryoma lost to the Brave Lance.
>>332271646
Ahh yeah, I recall now. Ryoma has Strength Seal. So 33 damage became 27.
>>332271308
>>332271173
one last thing. I just checked. Hinoka wins by a landsline because of Lancefaire and Air Superiority.
>>332271832
>You didn't?
I didn't? I mean is anyone actually retarded enough to NOT do the Camilla chapter in one turn?
>you can just sell the leftover irons
For a tonic each?
>that's not willing to adapt, let alone have fun
There is zero fun in being overpowered. It's all a waste of time compared to actually working out the chapters with whatever little you're given. Your idea of fun is shit, just go play Disgaea if you can't live without making everybody a demigod. And namedropping Thracia doesn't make you sound more credible especially when you already outed yourself as an Awakeningbabby, Awakeningbabby.
>>332272082
I knew it.
>>332272083
>I skip the whole chapter
>Gee, why am I missing cash, why are my units so underleveled
>this game is garbage
>waaaah
you're the one who just proved he doesn't know how to play the game. You don't even know how to LTC right.
>for a tonic each?
I wouldn't know, you're the one desperate for cash.
>>332272253
>this game is garbage
Good job putting word into my mouth.
>You don't even know how to LTC right.
Please fucking tell me how to "LTC right". Do that chapter on 0 turns?
>you're the one desperate for cash.
I never said I was "desperate for cash", shitlord, I was pointing out the fact that the route doesn't give out cash unless you go out of your way for it. It seems the reason you completely misinterpreted me was because you was guilty of this.
>>332272229
Ok, I take it back. I did more test runs
and Camilla has big chances of winning if she's defending because of Vengance.
>>332272360
>shitlord
SJW detected. Go back to Serenes where you belong.
>>332272360
>word into my mouth
>how to x right
>you was
Stop talking like a nigger.
>>332272473
Sorry, the thread is about to die and I can't afford to go back and spellcheck things.
>>332272574
Not even page 10, asshat. Everyone who cared could see you're just on a high horse.
>>332272637
For good reasons. You can totally disregard that typo-filled post and my previous points still stand.
And please let me know how to "LTC" that chapter in less than one turn. There's zero need to give EXP to anybody because all units you have at that point aside from Avatar, Felicia, Aqua and Gunther are expendable and three of these aren't combat units.
>>332272863
just face it, you just suck at the game, can't adapt and can't even make good use of what you have. Go back to play FE7, casual. Men will play Conquest
>>332273151
>can't adapt and can't even make good use of what you have
Now you are just strawmanning. I've played the entire game, meanwhile you had to rely on clutches like 2nd gens and fucking skirmish maps. Go back to humping Awakening more.
